Terminator Timeline Explained
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- A thorough explanation of the various timelines in the Terminator movies.
Terminator Genisys Review: • Invisible Man - Termin...
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The Terminator (1984)
Terminator Genisys (2015)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
Terminator Salvation (2009)
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003)
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Electric Joy Ride - Origin [NCS Release]
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Invisible Man: That's the whole Terminator timeline
Terminator Dark Fate: I'm gonna ruin this man's whole career
Edit: thanks for 1k likes, didnt think I would reach this far
@@fitzorpercy2884 Neither is T3 and T salvation also
@@infinityguy16 they were trash enyway
Not the Real Tfue "oh yeah them too" 🤣
@@calijutzu and dark fate Is looking like it will just add to the pile
@@milboxr9772 yes sadly
I am glad we all agree that the Terminator 2 Ending Is the only ending.
"it must end here"
When cyberdyne destroyed.. why t800 still there.. does the T800 be gone like never existed?
Money: Sorry, no I disagree. Can't leave a lot of money on the table on this successful film.
Does anyone know why t-800 killed John?
Un less they just make a good Terminator movie that makes sense and a good timeline
Instead of Genisys they should have just carried on from Salvation. Have the film be about the final battle against Skynet with the ending of the film being Kyle Reese getting sent back in time, completing the time loop.
Now that we have seen the trailer of Dark Fate lets see where it ends. Well I do have high hopes this time since James Cameron is back.
A lot of people have complained about Salvation being "rust buckets with bullets," but if you think about it, the weapons eventually evolving from bullet weapons to phased plasma weapons makes sense. I would have liked to see where the Salvation timeline would have gone, and how it leads up to T1.
Not only completing the timeline; We could have seen how this well armed resistance fell to the point where we see them in those few future scenes in Judgment day
@@sulacomarine I assume the resistance stole that tech from skynet; by the end of the war they're firing those weapons from pickup trucks. I don't know the boxoffice stats, but from a storytelling perspective, a major opportunity was lost
Erm, hate to break it to you, but there was a comic series that followed events about a year after Salvation's events (Terminator Salvation: The Final Battle). To summarise:
-Marcus somehow regrew his heart (Hybrids are basically immortal unless you destroy their brains)
-A new Hybrid based on serial killer Thomas Parnell went rogue and overpowered Skynet (makes sense - Salvation's Skynet didn't do much besides take credit for random events happening)
-John Conner became a Terminator near the end - he was killed by another Terminator then synced to an Endoskeleton made to fight Parnell
-John brokered a truce with Skynet to beat Parnell, which blossomed into lasting peace
-The Terminator that killed John (a T-850 I believe) was reprogrammed, then sent through the last TDE Skynet had (which everyone agreed to promptly destroy to avoid messing with time anymore), causing T3
Terminator timeline is so confusing
TERMINATOR: DARK FATE HAS ENTERED THE CHAT
Dark Fate connects to T2 (even though Cameron originally said Genesis was...), the others are gone from the timeline (similar to Halloween). Still, I will not discredit the paradox loop of Kyle Reese. Cameron specifically intended him to be the biological father of John to make a Ahh moment yet in doing so created a loop; perhaps he didn't think he'd make a sequel or not. Yes, logically John would have a different father in Timeline ZERO, but that was not pushed into the narrative or plot.
@@G7130 XD "Ahh moment"
I dont understand the hate for Salvation. At least it tried to be different and I enjoyed it. Would have liked to seen a final future battle.
Thank you! At least Salvation tried to be different and take the series in a new direction. Could the movie have been better? Sure. But it doesn't deserve the hate it gets. T3 and Genisys on the other hand....
It actually wasn’t that bad I enjoyed it i think its more for ppl who are fans of this series
Yeah I didn't hate it but I did feel that it should had been better. Well as said previously PG-13 Terminator movie just don't cut it, they feel subdued. This movie and Genisys did the tell you the "twist" in the trailer which didn't help it's chances. Next it sort of contradicts Kyle's original description of John Connor he being the reason humanity was able to rise up again he taught them how to fight but in Salvation he was relegated to a foot soldier with a small unit and so in this continuity it doesn't make sense why Skynet deems him as the one to save humanity to the point of using time travel as a last ditch effort. He doesn't seem that important other than you (the audience) knows he's supposed to be. Another thing is it never felt that Humanity was actually losing as Kyle put it as well, in Salvation sure humans were being rounded up and everything felt like the Mad Max universe but both humans and the machines felt at even odds at each other. We were still have to have airstrips for aircraft and there are territories that for some reason the machines didn't go to for some reason.
genisys is almost my favorite. T3 is riddled with stupid humor and ruins the whole movie with it.
Yes it may have been basically transformer due to the multiple trucks, the robotic sounds, the sparks and the noises but it tries to be original and wasn’t a cookie-cutter recipe like all of the others that had the same story as the first
him: "hello and welcome im the invisible man!"
me: everyones got a gimmic
And he remembers it so we don't have to
Yeah me too, I’m the visible man
Bilama r/whooosh
@@TYLRMN8R The joke and the r/wooosh is on you, mate. Bilama's comment is obvious sarcasm LMAO
Malvious Graive damn lol
Imagine skynet sending back a terminator to protect the guy who made skynet
That will be Terminator 2022. 😆
Actually that would be an interesting idea
@@3PICAT it actually would, imagine if it was even skynet itself going back in time to protect the original creator and somehow learns to see humanity as more than just a threat so it ends up trying to stop it, but when the resistance comes back and starts to try and kill baby skynet they unintentionally label humanity as a threat and cause judgement day.
@@rushalias8511 Point is made that the Terminator franchise is not at a creative dead end as many claim. People that are involved with the franchise just ain't doin it right.
it will not be terminator, it will be saveiator or protectator
Skynet is like herpes: Just when you think it's gone, one or more terminators randomly pop back up again out of nowhere.
“And to show her appreciation the two of them have sex” 🤣
I wish the women in my life would show their appreciation 🤦🏻♂️
me too hhhh
LOL!
@@blackeyes3313 me three lol
@FN-1701AgentGodzillaRangerPrime that fight is three comments down. Just love the dumbasses trying to turn everything into a political fight
i take cash and burner phones. I'm easy
The terminator: *exist*
The invisible man: *triggered*
You explained the timeline more clearly than others. I've watched several other videos explaining the Terminator timeline but none explained as clearly as you.
And he gets it WRONG in the first 45 seconds.
There IS NOT TIMELINE ZERO.
Reese is ALWAYS JOHN'S FATHER.
The first movie and the original script for T2 PROVE THIS.
@@LUCKO2022 but how could Kyle reese be johns dad in the original timeline since hes from the future meaning he hasn't travelled back in time yet.
@@whoinvitedabel8134 The first Terminator was stating that time travel never creating a new timeline. Kyle was always John's dad and there's no timeline where he doesn't come to Sarah. It's actually a loop. The Second movie previously had to continue that picture and It was just meant to show that before the Judgement day there was a second fight. But stopping Judgement day scenario was more optimistic so they changed it.
yeah, there is no T1 timeline. going back in the t0 timeline doesnt split it. the timetravel and skynet only exist because it send back the t800 and reese. the loop only ends at the end of T2 when all the parts are destroyed.
@@LUCKO2022 No. The John Connor from the original timeline has a father that we don't know his name yet. Timeline 1 John Connor is a result of Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese being in love together, which takes John's original father out of the equation. Therefore, predestination is proven false.
I like terminator 3.
I think its underated .
Yeah it doesnt hold a candle to
1 and 2 but it actually ends with judgement day. Which is cool because we see it happen. And we see the origin of skynet with the white flying machines and the mini rolling tanks
Just my two cents, but T3 was a campy, self-aware rehash of everything T2 already did. Play the two films side by side- the plots are almost exactly the same verbatim. T3 was a Hollywood cash grab. Plain and simple. Arnold didn't even want to do T3 until they waved a huge wad of cash in his face. T3's biggest insult was completely undermining everything T2 did. Though, the crane chase scene in T3 was pretty cool...
+sulacomarine Yeah I agree, the only thing that redeems Terminator 3 was the epic car chase
arnold himself paid for the scene to get it into the movie :D
@@humphrex You serious? They didn't want to put that in the movie?
@@sulacomarine that's true, but at least it's better than modern cash grabs.
Now imagine a new timeline in which Skynet and the Resistance keep sending people back and forth throughout time, and therefore breaking Spacetime, leading to a huge, never-ending war between infinite copies of Schwarzenegger trying to either kill or protect John Connor. That would be kinda fun
space time is a concept in mathematics. It doesn't exist within 3d Euclidian space....just f.y.i
He said “Timeline” 41 times
He said “terminator” 78 times
You should get a green suit, and wear a black hat, tie and glasses so your just a bunch of floating clothes
A friend of mine told him that a while back but I guess he doesn’t do it because since he already uses a green screen for the background and if both the green screen and the green suit aren’t the same color. Meaning like an exact match his set up would not work. I would just get a green suit and get a paint store to match and mix the green so I could paint a background. I am sure there is a way it could be done. But I agree with my friend and you a green suit would be light years cooler and better.
But it makes no sense for John to have 2 different fathers. He would be genetically a different person with a different father. If original John had a different father, that means Kyle Reese's son John was not the John destined to lead the resistance. Plus, if Skynet never happened as per T2, then John would seize to exist since his father went back in time to father him.
As great as T2 was, it seems T1 is the only one that doesn't defy logic as it works logically if we consider Kyle was always meant to travel back in time to father John. T2 creates logical inconsistencies especially with John's existence. But T3 sort of fixes it by saying Skynet still gets formed anyways and Judgement Day is postponed. I think this whole mess of a timeline would make more sense if they had not made Kyle Reese, John's father in any timeline.
Christian Bailed out because he was too scared of these timelines.
Unpopular opinion
Terminator salvation was a good movie
The Pre destination theory actually is correct if you go by a unfilmed scene by Cameron in T2. You can look up the storyboard on T2 Ultimate Edition they have a storyboard that shows John sending the T800 from T2 back right after he sends Reese. Also it indications that the original movie pre destination exist or it isn't timeline zero as you say is that John has given Reese a photo of Sarah and constantly talks to him about her. Cause dude wants to make sure he's born lol still good video bro
Exactly. Skynet sent the OG Terminator to kill Sarah and as a back up, they sent the T-1000 to kill John Conner later in the timeline. They hedged their bets. John knew this (having lived through the second film) so he sends Kyle to protect his mother (and knock her up) then the T-800 to protect himself moments later. It is absolutely predestination. How they missed this, I have no idea unless they just weren't paying attention.
@@SpecialDad
Most people just don't get it. They think in literal terms that in order for John to be born he has to come first as we know Reese is born after the war. They can't get it through their skulls that Reese is always John's father and that nothing that happened in T1 changed the original timeline. Everything that happned in T1 was always going to happen as it is the original timeline.
The only time it changes is when instead of going into hiding, the Connors try to stop Judgement Day.
The only problem with the predestination theory is it means there all stuck in a time loop according to physics, one which neither the machines neither the humans can escape, the machines will always loose, yet they send a terminator back in time anyway? The only reason would have to be self preservation, they will never be able to kill John Connor, he will always win, yet when the travel back in time the original time line would reset, so eternal stailmate.
But you can with causality put yourself in what appears a time loop, like Primer or Twelve Monkeys, there can be a definite start and a possible way out of the loop
The reason why it makes more sense (at least from my pov) to separate the first 2 films into basically their own timelines is that T2 directly leads to the postponing (or removal) of Judgement Day, which means each iteration of the individuals sent back aren't the same, thus shouldn't logically make the exact same decisions (a Kyle Reese that fought in a war that started in 2003 should be a lot more used to fighting T-800s (the T-RIP was made in 2018 according to Salvation) than the version where it stared in 1997, where it seems his Resistance just started dealing with the 800s by their 2029). Following that "cycle", there may come a time when John Connor and Kyle Reese die old men before the war even begins - the hell happens then!?
@Aaron Scott
As you say, the photo of Sarah Kyle had in the future is evidence that the events of the movie had already happened in the timeline he came from.
We're given further evidence when Kyle explains to Sarah why he volunteered to go back in time: "It was a chance to meet the legend. Sarah Connor. Taught her son to fight, organise, prepare from when he was a kid, when you were in hiding before the war."
Kyle's description of Sarah here is consistent with the version of her we were shown in T2. It isn't consistent with how she likely would've turned out if she'd never experienced the events of the first movie.
In genisys skynet understood that since evil Johnie was one step ahead always, it needed to delete the timelines of the previous terminators stop fighting him in the past and become one with evil Johnie. No Johnie no judgement day, evil Johnie was the problem!
Thank God Terminator 6 is ignoring these awful movies. The only Terminator movie I like after 2 is salvation the rest is glorified fanfiction.
@Daniel Justin I've seen the trailer for dark fate I don't see what's so bad about it. You can't get any worse than Terminator Genisys.
Terminator Dark Fates is also a soft reboot to create another timeline. It happens after T2 and the judgment day never happens because Skynet no longer exists.
It turns out that Skynet sent more than one terminator befote its erasure when it sent T-1000. Another terminator (T-800 a.k.a. Carl) successfully kills John 😢😢😭😭. In my opinion, killing John Connor ruins T1 & T2 (the mission to protect John is wasteful).
Terminator Genesys is the worst because it resets everything and the timeline is very complicated. John Connor is a villain and he finally dies.
I personally think that the T-800 in T1 and the T-1000 are from the same timeline
The T-1000 that Kyle's reese fights in 1984 has to be the same one that was sent in 1973...because it wasn't fully destroyed by the T-800 when it rescued young Sarah..and continued to pursue Sarah for all those years until Kyle arrived...that would be the better explanation instead of adding another alternate future!!!
If Timeline 1 starts the moment T800 and Kyle go back to 1984,then how do you explain the photo of ‘sad’ Sarah Connor that Kyle holds in the future of Timeline 0 (zero) ??
I just saw another video about the Terminator timeline and it’s a closed loop. A new timeline wasn’t started when Kyle and the Terminator came to 1984. The proof is the photograph; it’s not a similar photo but the exact same photo of Sarah that John had of his mother and eventually gives to Kyle.
If the t-1000 is completely made out of liquid metal, how can it time travel, doesnt it need loving tissue to do that?
Skynet had the t-1000 placed inside a prisoner as a drink and sent the prisoner through the time machine
When the t-1000 arrived it busted through the prisoner's chest like a face hugger
The T-X terminatrix has a polyalloy that generates bioelectricity that makes the machine treat it as if it was a living being
the T-1000 was sent right after the first T-800 though, John sent Kyle back to 1984 first and then the T-800 to 1995 before Skynet was destroyed (the timelines of T3, Salvation and Genisys aren't accurate so i'll leave those out)
Yeah, exactly. John knew he had to send Kyle and the T-800 back because he knew they are going to show up in the past (and win) already.
Jan Strzelecki exactly! the same can't be said for T3, Salvation and Genisys though, the TX was sent from 2032 even though the war was won in 2029
I don't agree that Terminator 2 is the perfect ending. Terminator 3 was great. Salvation was OK, and I would have loved to see a Terminator 5 where John Connor defeated Skynet and sent Kyle Reese back to 1984, which would lead to the events of Terminator 1, thus closing the circle of those many different timelenes.
The terminator series just needs to end. Maybe skynet will NEVER be defeated
But if you watch the first terminator they actually say "skynet was defeated so they sent a terminator back to undo it"
@@JokerL1000 Which is why Skynet will never be defeated, lol.
@@nocturnal7345 t2 erased Skynet for good, but we were ignorant and made another AI named Legion that also tries to kill us
I like to think terminator is a good idea of what might happen if humanity turns to a.i.; but imagine if eventually skynet and humanity make peace, skynet builds biological bodies and creates it's own sub species oh human like being. Consciousness, ya know human. Skynet becomes the creator of his species, and the humans and this new species form an alliance. Create an a.i. even more advanced then skynet but without the flaws.. lole it did the quantum computing to know peace is the only option for survival. Advances in technology increase beyond any known factors presented in history. Humanity and thier new ally spread out into the universe.. then we pick up at pitch black with Riddick being moved to prison in cryo sleep. Only the ship crash lands. Plot twist so much time passed skynets people turned into the necro peoples, Necromonger I believe. Rest is history. But wait.. a new force arrives in the universe. Midclorians, causing a mew type of warrior to appear. Jedi. Que felucia theme
and everyone lived happily ever after.
Then they got GREEDY
Invisible man... Are you Mr BEAST twin?
And then dark fate is like: what is a terminator 2: judgement day?
Everyone before Dark Fate to know everything
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Peter Panda I think he’s trying to say everyone who likes the comment is watching this video before watching dark fate
There's a small problem with the first movie. Where's from Kyle's picture of Sarah Connor?
I’m still lost lol
dont worry lets meet up and ill explain it to u
1) sarah Connor is John Connor’s mom
2) judgement day MUST HAPPEN
3) Skynet Builds the time machine
4) Skynet dies because it is self aware and is a personality
5) Skynet dies in the year 2029 and John Connor and his team did the job.
All those things above must happen and if it don’t, will create a paradox and this timeline and movie is completely a giant shit pile and not worth anyone’s time.
if skynet was that smart, why not send the t-1000 to 1984 as well to help the original plot. I guess it did in Genisys.
In T2, the prologue narration says that Skynet sent back 2 Terminators at the same time.
@Steve Austin
No, SKYNET sent 2 Terminators back through time right after the other. The original script which the novel is based on proves this, plus the opening monologue supports this.
The reason why SKYNET sends back the T-800 (it is not a T-101, that is WRONG, it is MODEL 101 big difference) is because SKYNET knows that in order to be created it needs the T-800 tech to get into the hands of Cyberdyne since that is how SKYNET was created in the first place was due to the T-800 failing to kill Sarah.
It sent back the T-1000 right after to try and change the future by killing John as a child. SKYNET is not aware of what happens of this since it is taken offline by Tech Com immediately after. Also SKYNET was afraid of the T-1000 as it is the only 1 it ever produced as they feared that it would turn against SKYNET just like SKYNET turned against huamnity.
I think i know how T3 started did anyone noticed in battle when arnold fought against T-1000 once again he's armed stucked because he neded to save john and sarah connor here is the title of the video:Steelworks: T-800 vs T-1000 (Extended scene) | Terminator 2 [Remastered] and here is when in it happen:2:22 you can see he's arm being stuck and he just pulled he's arm removing he's hand and maybe in the end where he sacrificed and everything was fine Military company came from T 3 took the Hand that he lost and studied it and made their own skynet lol but for me thats how T3 was made!My opinion
T1 is actually a loop. There was never a timeline without kyle or the T800. That's the irony, if Skynet and John hadn't sent their respective time travelers they wouldn't exist.
ua-cam.com/video/mFDa4VUnfuU/v-deo.html this video explains all.
Even though i really like the terminator franchise, i kind of disliked the whole concept of time travel, because it raises more questions than it answers. If we go with T1, John's father was always kyle reese, a soldier sent from the future. Its an endless cycle with no logical conclusion.
Now if we interpret time as linear, it means that changing something in the past will modify the time elapsed since. This is obviously why John connor wants to send kyle reese back in time to protect his mom otherwise hes never born. But how does that work for them? Were in 2029, skynet is defeated, but we've just learned that skynet sent a t800 to retroactively kill John. What happens now? If we dont send anyone, does John suddenly disappear from existence? Does skynet suddenly reappear, are the rebels suddenly decimated? Or does life simply go on?
The most plausible outcome imo is that skynet created an alternate time frame where it is victorious. John connor's timeline is therefore unaffected . Hes partying after his victory over skynet. It makes more sense than the current time frame suddenly changing dramatically. If we send someone back in time to kill hitler, does our world suddenly change? Doesnt seem likely does it?
Thinking about it the liquid metal ones couldn't have gone through the time machine
There's a theory that the T-1000 and T-X could travel in the TDE because either the alloy they use produces bioelectic energy (needed to use the TDE) to simulate living tissue, or they're covered in a thin tissue that burns off mid-travel. The T3 game (Redemption?), which shows the T-X using the TDE, favours the former.
@@harryunderwood9387 I shouldn't have to search up fan theory's to find something thats really simply defined in a movie, its just lazy writing and I'm not having a go at you
@@jacksteel1539 I never thought you were. It IS lazy writing, and it's sad fans have to pick up the pieces to this extent.
@@harryunderwood9387 Yeah I had to say it, people get pissed off so easily on the internet mate.
Also after rewatching the first 3 I realized how they all copied the first ones truck chase scene and the 2nd one also had the tanker slow down the terminators
Actually it's because their nanites can change their molecular structure and trick the time machine.
Now where does Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles fit in the timeline? That should have been added as it might fix some plot holes, even though its a TV show, It should be technically part of the movie timeline.
Poor salvation, everyone likes to hop on the hate train instead of thinking for themselves
Gonna be brave here, I like Salvation and Genesis :/
T34M DarkaxeMG that’s completely fine man, but when they hate on a movie without even considering the good side of it is ignorant.
@@Ryujinn999 yeah I get what you meak
Didn’t hate it nor love it. But that’s a big assumption to say everyone hopped on a hate train instead of thinking for themselves. There is always going to be highly underrated movies that are hated by tons of people but that’s because they had to watch it and decided that they were unsatisfied with that entry of the series. People should not shun or assume why people do or don’t like stuff. If you loved it awesome then you aren’t the only one. If you didn’t then great you not the only one either. Like wise there are people like me that thought it was an alright but felt it didn’t really add to the series enough for me to love it. Felt more like a gimmick to make money off a beloved series.
It was complicated but I was able to follow Genisys but I was really hoping for the two sequels that came after it who would have been different seeing as how it would have explained a lot the Terminator sent back to protect Sarah Connors as a child the Matt Smith Terminator was probably sent from the future where it won probably but that's time travel supposed to be complicated sometimes
from my timeline, terminator has send back to protect sarah connor, they made sex, and the cyborg child brings peace between humans and machines.....
how that work? robotic semen that replicate human reproduction process?
Dear Invisible Man,
Fortunately, I need to learned how to timeline, but I was seriously consider about TX.
It's Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. The Terminatrix arrived in July 24, 2004, I read about "Priority targets of termination." T-X was sent in the past to kill some of John Connor's lieutenants. Unfortunately, I'm going to loathe melt my head myself, she has list of people to be killed for Resistances.
Kyle Reese not death yet!
I was read my comic.
It instead explains that Kyle Reese never died but a government coverup took place where he was resuscitated
and brought back from near death to be probed for information as a prisoner to the government.
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Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines by David Hagberg
"This Terminatrix, how many other does she have on her hit list?"
"Twenty-two."
Jose Barrera was a destined resistance fighter in the future.
On July 24, 2004, This changed when a T-X sent back in time killed him at the fast food restaurant where he worked.
Elizabeth Anderson and William Anderson was a lieutenant for John Connor in the future
On July 24, 2004, a T-X was sent back to kill John Connor's lieutenants. It gunned down both him and his sister in their house.
Robert Brewster was Terminated, Elizabeth Anderson was Terminated, William Anderson was Terminated, Jose Barrera was Terminated, Simon Taylor was Terminated, Isaac Hall was Terminated, Fritz Roland was Terminated, Ted Snavely was Terminated, Sharlene Gen was Terminated, Vince Forcer was Terminated. The future is changing the timeline, John Connor's lieutenants was erased in the future.
is it necessary to wear that funny suit?
impress us, wear a green one, and actually be invisible with just the floaty hat
Foxi! Or a blue suit because it might be a blue screen
I think the John Conner's father is Dan Moresky. If you recall from TERMINATOR, after Sarah and Ginger finish prepping for their dates, Ginger checks the answering machine and there are 2 messages: the first is from Sarah's mother and the second is from Dan Moresky cancelling the date with Sarah. We do not know how long their relationship was, it could have been a first date, but they could have had a longer relationship...we do not know. Since Sarah was ovulating, it could be assumed that Sarah had met with Dan a few days prior, they had sex, he impregnated her, and then broke up with her the night TERMINATOR occurred.
My definitive timeline ignoring Genysis and Dark Fate
1984:
A T-800 arrives in Los Angeles 1984, sent back from the year 2029 to kill Sarah Conner, the mother of the future Resistance leader John Conner. Unbeknownst to the Terminator The Resistance sent back one of their own soldiers, Kyle Reese, to find and protect Sarah from the T-800. The events of the film plays out. Sarah and Kyle successfully stop The Terminator but Kyle looses his life in the process. Earlier in the film Kyle and Sarah made love and it’s revealed at the end that Sarah is pregnant with John making Kyle his father. Sarah records a message for John to listen to when the time is right and drives off into the desert and says “A storm is coming”. She is right.
1995:
10 years after the events of the first film John now 10 years old is living in a foster home while Sarah ended up in a psychiatric hospital due to her being apparent delusions of the future and unable to properly take care of John. This time two Terminators end up being sent back from the future, 1 being a reprogrammed T-800 future John sent to protect himself now since he was born and the other the T-1000 a highly advanced shapeshifting Terminator sent to kill John. The rest of the films events play out. John, Sarah and the T-800 defeat the T-1000 but the T-800 sacrifices itself so it’s parts cannot be reverse engineered to create Skynet any earlier and try to avert the future war. Sarah says the following as she and John drive off into the night, “The unknown future rolls toward us…if a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too.”
2004:
nearly 9 years after the second film John Conner has been running from his destined fate as the future leader of The Resistance. Sarah Conner has passed away from cancer and John is alone. However, again two terminators have been sent back from the future after the war ended, The T-850 sent back to protect John’s future wife Kathrine Brewster and the other being the T-X a female Terminator sent back to kill Brewster and any other future Resistance members. The rest of the film plays out. The T-850 destroys itself and the T-X in an explosion and get John and Kate to safety. They find there is no stopping Skynet, it launches a worldwide nuclear attack and Judgment Day begins, 3 billion lives are ended. John accepts his fate as leader, he and Kate try to contact any survivors and create the resistance. John says the following “The battle has just begun”. He is right.
2018:
The future War, John and his mother tried so hard to avoid and prepare for has come to past. For the past 14 years The Resistance has been fighting Skynet for control of the world and also try to save as many survivors they come across. During the war a man called Marcus Wright awakens to a unfamiliar world he doesn’t remember. He was a former death row inmate who was executed shortly before Judgement Day. Unknown to him he was experimented on and later finds out himself that he is actually a human hybrid Terminator that unlike the others he has free will. He comes across a young Kyle Reese John’s future father, who is at the top of Skynet’s kill list so Marcus protects him and gets him to The Resistance. The Rest of the events of the film play out. John is severely injured and the only way to save him is a transplant. Marcus sacrifices his life to save John and give The Resistance something they desperately need. Hope.
2029:
11 years after the events that unfolded in 2018, Skynet is on the brink of defeat, John Conner and his Resistance are about to win the war they’ve fought so hard and long in. Skynet knowing this, sends back a Terminator, the T-800, back in time with a machine they created over the course of the war. This action shuts down Skynet and The Resistance wins the war. John inspects the machine and knows what must be done, knowing he has to send someone back he chooses Kyle Reese, due to him being his father and to also to protect his mother, Sarah. Kyle is sent back to the time The Terminator was sent to. Los Angeles 1984.
I think the idea was the predestination loop, only that it´s not a totally closed loop set in stone and in some timelines 2029 Skynet sends a T-800 to 1984 AND a T-1000 to 1995 just before being shut down. Since it´s all in the computer the resistance knows when has to send a protector to 1984 and 1995, and when only to 1984 (this one happens anyway and anyhow as a fixed event in the time stream)
The timeline is simple, watch t1 and t2 and done
Great video, however there is one possible mistake I noticed, you stated on timeline 1 that the T-1000 and reprogrammed T-800 were sent back to 1995 from 2029, in Terminator 2 the T-800 tells John “35 years from now you send me back” meaning he would’ve been sent from 2030, not 2029
The True Terminator Timeline Stops At T2.
Change My Mind.
The world ends and judgement day happens...it’s inevitable, frankly it must happen for the true war to begin....The humans only made it worst for themselves by prolonging judgment day by giving Skynet a technology Edge....remember 4 things MUST HAPPEN in the time line 1) Skynet is destroyed in the year 2029. 2) Sarah Connor is john’s mom 3) john Connor is the resistance leader and destroys Skynet 4) judgement day must happen for the time machine to be built. Skynet cannot prevent it’s death and Sarah cannot stop judgement day... they’re can only be so many variations of this WAR but NO Matter what. Skynet dies at 2029, John and the humans wins the war. The only way this happen is that Judgement day must happen...otherwise it’s a paradox and destroying the time continuum and everyone and existence in the terminator universe dies.
classic bootstrap paradox scenario. Because the original timeline did not disclose who John's father was (some random guy), just by John sending back kyle and therefore making him the father, the timelines that occur makes it so Kyle Reese was always his father.
I don't like it when people say there is no Original timeline.
There was until somebody made the first move back and that happened before the T1 events.
And now it makes less sense.
Because of Dark Fate. Dark Fate states that Skynet is completely destroyed and now there is a new AI that takes over in there future. Which means if Skynet is gone then John would have never been able to send Kyle back in time to impregnate Sarahto create John. So that means in the beginning of Dark Fate John should have even existed anymore. And Sarah would be a waitress again.
I get the feeling that 1 - 4 were treated like one timeline, even though it shouldn't be.
@Devonte Huntley Slight (massive) theorising here to explain the T-5000 basically resetting the timeline:
Say the future war gets delayed for so long that the T-3000 is created at the end - a T-1000 that instead uses nanomachines, put simply. That version of Skynet makes a massively advanced version of that body for itself, wraps itself in a living tissue envelope, then uses a TDE (that then secretly self-detonates) to go back to the events of T1 (1984), while leaving a shell AI behind to make the Resistance not send anyone after it.
It lets events play out until Sarah kills the T-800, but handles the units in the beginning of T2 to stop them prolonging Judgement Day and killing Miles Dyson.
Riding out Judgement Day, the T-5000 joins the Resistance undetected (the dogs could only smell oils in synthetic skin, plus at that point decades of studying human interaction would help the AI blend in). It makes sure the Skynet of that timeline loses, but just slowly enough that the events of T1 are encouraged, a moment it has spent countless years planning for.
I remember that some other Tuber theorised that, after the T-5000 killed the other Tech-Com members, John (now a human - turned T-300) was sent back to the other humans to celebrate "winning" while being trained to cause T:G. John's wife Kate (since T3 didn't happen it's not Tara Holden) notices John is different, so she follows him to discover the truth. She reprograms a T-800 unit to defend the child Sarah (after seeing a T-1000 prototype being sent to kill her), wiping the android's memory to avoid detection.
Big fan of the Terminator but it doesnt work from a time travel point of view for many reasons. Not least because the instant the T800 was sent back to 1984 the whole of history from then on would have changed. There never would have been any opportunity for Reese to follow...end of movie! But hey lets not look TOO closely at the details.
Holy shit. For the longest time I been trying to figure out the whole terminator time line but never got it.....TILL NOW
you know you'd really be invisible if you just green-screened yourself right?
Yup you forgot that now dark fate is in action for a timeline add in. Let's see how you fit this in
James Cameron has said that dark fate will cancel out 3, salvation, and genisys
@@spicynose then what does that say for Sarah chronicles series
so a terminator and reese are sent back, both die, t1 tech is found
t1 tech is used and t1000 and good arnold are sent back both die, but apparantely other terminator carl is sent back before this moment.
in t3, judgement day was just posponed and jc starts being the leader
in t4 jc is older and now becoming the savior
in t5,a long time after the war has ended, a bad terminator is rebooted and sent back and so is a good terminator after being alerted to the time machine, this occurs after a terminator from another timeline arrives and turns our jc into a terminator and he goes to 2014 and reese back to 84. and this ends as t2 never happened.
in t6 21 years after t2, the legion is made and a skynet terminator lives with a family.and now dani ramos is gonna be the leader.
Holy cow dude you're friggin hilarious!!! Awesome stuff!!!
I don't know why people hate the terminator 3 and Genisys. They're filled with awesome action and that's good enough for me.
4:23 - 4:33 .I don't know why that's so funny lol. Edit so
I gave up after Salvation. I thought before they made it that they should continue the story without Arnold or time travel. I thought the film was alright.
I think I've watched this video 3 times lol Keep up the good work!
yea this heavy.
now just wait till i make alternate endings to your trilogy next year. click my sub box n bell icon Marty
Who told you that you're invisible?
Well terminator dark fate cleans all of the movies that happened after judgement day and heads into dark fate
So then why is there an old Terminator hanging out? And where is John Connor? It says he makes an appearance in the movie but he obviously doesn't have a big part. I'm so confused.
Instead of dark fate they should of continued with salvation or genesis with a salvation sequel we could finally see the resistance win the war with a genesis sequel we could see more of Skynet in it physical form and take a more active role it’s self
everything is awesome except the pre-destination thing from T1 and that reese came to T4 because he was the one to help them stop Genisys, but this is definitely one of the best!!
You oversimplified everything by saying predestination wasn't a thing in the first movie, which is false. It was always a thing, it's just that Kyle Reese altered it by taking certain actions in the past. Mainly, talking about what happens in the future while being recorded. Skyneg gets access to these recordings, and uses it to spend more time preparing for a different plan, delaying Skynet's defeat leading to Terminator 2. The whole thing in the original timeline, is that not only did Kyle Reese need to help conceive John for him to exist, but also the T-800 needed to leave a piece of itself behind for Skynet to exist. If the Terminator never went back in time, sure maybe Sarah would've given birth to another son with someone else, but Skynet would never exist.
Let's hope James Cameron can undo this mess... maybe even render the sequels (T3 onward) obsolete like the Halloween movies recently were.
Well he doesnt need to because according to James that the Dark fate will excluded the t-3, salvation and genesis. In the other world it will be a direct sequel of T-2
You can't undo something that was already undone by Genysis. That film erased Terminator 1 and 2 from the timeline so Dark Fate shouldn't even happen at all.
terminator was such amazing franchise and series too bad it got an really dark fate
I actually loved genesis. Because skynet seems to be aware that they are stuck in a perpetual battle.
Between the T3 and genesis timelines, it’s implied that there have been thousands of other time travel events.
And did you notice that the T-5000 is Matt Smith aka DOCTOR WHO
when you change a timeline, you split the universe into different universes aka multiverse where different things happens depending of the severity of the change, right?
Yea. And the things that happen could be so severe that it would change all of Mankind. But Skynet will always evolve until Judgement Day?? This is ridiculous
@@liamloxley1222 The Rev 6 and REV9 powered armour units are bad guys that you shoot up in the games FEAR and FEAR 3
I will go back in time and tell my self not watch this video it will make you more confused
I wish I didn’t have to do this but there is the timeline of the TV series that somehow makes things even worse
As a Hispanic I'm mad about dark fate replacing everything else as a middle finger to the white man like really? Get Woke Go Broke
@Ullr Frith I understand but the movie reminded me of Elysium & i really cringed. Hate it when Hollywood does that, good plot but then a different nationality person comes along & saves the day. (Ex: let's say Chinese martial arts hero dies & black guy picks up his sword & continues the legacy WTF it's cheap to diversify movies like that again im not racist just hate the pathetic story plot for sjw agendas)
you’re reminding me of the nostalgia critic and it’s deeply concerning. I do really like the video though so don’t worry about it, it’s more a joke than anything else.
The Terminator timeline doesn't make sense. It is impossible for John Connor to order Kyle Reese to go back in time to become his father because at the time of giving the order, the sperm that will become John Connor is still in the testicle of Kyle Reese. It hasn't met the egg yet. (The past has happened but the future hasn't.) That event hasn't occurred yet because at that very moment, that future hasn't been created yet, where Reese goes back in time and 'meets' Sarah. Therefore, John Connor can't exist to give the order. Therefore, it is impossible for that situation to come about.
4:44 not gonna lie. That scene when I first saw it made me cry.
Wait you got this information ℹ️ from Wikipedia most of the time their full of shit
well how will terminator 6 create even more timelines after this
your going to need to do this once more
2019... They reboot the shit up.. totally now. No Connor, No Skynet. but a brand new AI and stuff.
Bullshit. Just create something completely new and not drag the terminator franchise name into it.
the t5000 came not from a other timeline . it was another universe .
When will Jean Luc Picard step in and say "Computer, end simulation"
That is the only thing I've heard that could truly make sense with Terminator anymore. Just end it... save us Jean Luc!!!
I am 0.45 into the video and you arleady GOT IT WRONG.
There IS NO TIMELINE ZERO.
Kyle Reese IS ALWAYS JOHN'S FATHER.
You want evidence of this, very simple. THE FIRST MOVIE GIVES THIS TO YOU. IT BEATS IT IN YOUR HEAD.
That is the ENTIRE POINT of the picture scenes. Also the dialogue after the police station support this. Kyle tells Sarah that she prepared John BEFORE the war while they were in hiding. Why would Sarah do this if not for the knoweldge that she gained from Kyle???? She wouldn't.
Why would John give Reese a picture of Sarah in the future that just HAPPENS to be the exact same picture that was taken in 1984 while Sarah was in Mexico at that gas station???? Again, John did this because HE KNOWS THAT REESE IS HIS FATHER BECAUSE SARAH TOLD HIM THAT.
The original T2 script supports this as well.
There IS always a paradox. You AREN'T THINKING 4TH DIMENSONALLY.
True that, also at the ending of T1 when Sarah is recording messages for John we know that she will notice name of his father, and John will decide to send back in time Kyle.
when u in 2019 and the terminator is coming out *bruh moment*
I read somewhere (the Terminator wiki) that James Cameron said that Skynet felt guilty for the near destruction of the human race. It orchestrated the Future War in a way that would lead to the rise of John Connor and its own destruction. I’m not sure what the wiki’s source is, but that’s an interesting idea. This goes with the closed loop idea that Skynet sending the T-800 back led to its own creation. Skynet knew it was going to be destroyed by John Connor, so it had to make sure John Connor was born and knew how to fight. It sends the T-800 back, knowing that John would send Kyle back. Kyle fathers John with Sarah, ensuring John’s existence, and when the T-800 is destroyed, it’s parts are used by Cyberdyne to create Skynet, ensuring Skynet’s existence. Then in the future, Skynet sends the T-1000 back so John would gain the necessary knowledge of fighting the machines by fighting a machine before Judgment Day. The Resistance sends the T-800 back to protect John to ensure that John survives his trial by fire. Cyberdyne and it’s research that leads to Skynet being created are destroyed, meaning that Skynet is never created and Judgment Day never occurs and the human race isn’t rendered nearly extinct (T2 Alternate Ending). The machines and Skynet exist because they need to exist for John Connor to exist, who needs to exist so that Skynet exists. They’re paradoxes. All so that Skynet can make sure the human race doesn’t go extinct. If this is what James Cameron intended, then wow, he made the biggest mind fuck in movie history. This is, of course, ignoring all of the non Cameron sequels. T6 will probably make this idea obsolete anyway.
I am pretty sure - John Connor is ALWAYS Kyle Resse's son.
Its just obvious - that Cameron thought of it like an Ouroboros. I also suspect by the time it came to pick Reese to go back, John figured out he was his dad.
I don't like that, my brain can't handle it. How does the original timeline happen if Kyle is John's father? It's impossible.
@@JonCollinsMedia its a grandfather paradox - a self profiling prophecy -- Judgement Day always happens.
@@roblone9674 I guess if you want to believe that they're in a loop. I don't think that's the case cause if it was then things would always be the same. How does it keep changing if Reece is always the father? I think there was a timeline zero, one, two, etc cause things keep changing every time they go back. This would make sense because time is linear, if time travel could be possible you would have to assume that an original timeline would have to take place and then whenever time travel became possible is when things are able to change, such as Reece being the father of John. Different Terminator being sent back, etc.
@@JonCollinsMedia sure there are different versions of time travel... but in that particular film - I see it that John was always Kyle's son - that it was a self-profiling prophecy - inevitable.
Pause the video at 5:05 and continue with your day
I like all the screwing with the timelines in Genisys. It's time travel, it doesn't have to make sense.
I mean it sort of makes sense; it's a whole time war, it's only natural the battlefield would get more and more complex.
Since Terminator 2 all the rest is absolute bs
Hey, the T-800 in terminator 2 said that he was sent by future John thirty five years from 1995. So that means the resistance likely didn’t find out about the T-1000 being sent back to 1995 for more than a year after SkyNet was defeated. So the Resistance, now probably the New United States of America or something, reprogrammed the terminator and sent him to protect John.
okay, timeline zero, that can't be the original John Connor; the Jason Clarke version from Genisys. isn't that one someone else? O_o
cuz he's part of the timeline that branched an alternate version when Skynet turned him into a terminator just seconds before Kyle went back.
Also if I were you I would just go with the flow dude
The predestination cannot happen hes right