Jeep Wrangler Over-braking and Over-cooling
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- This 2012 Jeep Wrangler has a dragging brake and the engine never seems to fully warm up. It also needs a wheel speed sensor and some other minor repairs.
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What was that device that you used to tighten the lower radiator hose clamp?
@@gs1100ed Yeah, cause hose clamps are the bane of my car repair jobs.
@@gs1100ed Hose clamp pliers with cable. I got mine some years ago Craftsman. Search Hose Clamp Cable pliers.
that lug installer is sweet. beats pulling everything apart and using press.
That was probably the most off-roading that Jeep has ever done
99% of the ones I see come into the shop are never gone off the road. Finally seen one come in for some nitto terra grapplers, that actually got used as intended
It's an image thing - you wouldn't understand...😁
I thought the same thing. Mall crawler
almost like the soccer moms driving lifted F350's that are rolling coal
Don’t forget the county roads around there. That might classify as off road.
Hahhahaha
Behind every successful mechanic is a lovely brake bleeder.
Ah the memories.... every aircooled VW I've every worked on had at least one 1-way brake hose. Sometimes all four. :)
i shit you not, right now i have the rear driver side brake hose that locked up and won’t bleed! only problem is that it’s rusted to the brake line and i can’t get it off!!
@@sparkie5571 heat is your friend.
Nearly every car I have owned from Beetles to Bristols have usually had sticking brake problems that have always been difficult to solve.I will look for Wes hose Unicorns in future!
The brake light and ABS light flashing is totally normal when your scan tool is hooked up and you’re talking to the ABS module. Not a scan tool thing it does it with snap on too, just a Chrysler thing.
The wheel speed sensor came out in one piece.... I'm so jealous.
I’m not a big fan of all the lift kits and wheel spacers and giant tires (or “Tars” as we say in Kentucky). Nothing but trouble. And good catch on that hose. My dad’s 1972 Pontiac Grand Ville did that once. It was a real stumper.
And am I the only one who went all Marvin Gaye when Wes said “Let’s Get It On”? Probably - cause I’m old & stuff.
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Nothing better then a lazy Sunday with Wes!
If there's anything I love more than Chrysler's lock tabs, it's the connector seals that get misaligned and make it a struggle to reinstall the connector.
Edit: love the stud installer tool. Also, as a lifted 2012 JKU owner, allow me to tell you all the things wrong with the lift installation, starting with geometry correction. 🤣
@OBEY yep. They sell super basic, el-cheapo kits and guys wonder why their lift (steering, alignment, handling) are in the toilet. To get close to a proper setup you need to spend at least 2 to 3 times more.
Weird Anomaly: Wes catches a small break on a brake caliper that's not broken and the customer gets a bigger break on the cost to fix a flex-line attached to the unbroken brake caliper that was thought to be broken but its braking better now than it ever was before it was found to be unbroke.....
My doctor told me not to over think things like this..., Good catch Wes,
Wes you might be one of the last shops that can still turn rotors. Your customers are lucky 🍀!
Around here, it's even illegal : thanks to the Safety gourous. 😡
@@marcryvon.. Wow!
Off your driveway is probably the only off-road that Jeep has ever seen!
does the gravel parking lot at Traders Joes, some farmer's driveway for 'farm fresh' corn count?
WOW!!! No mice or nesting, chewed up wiring...must be a sheltered Jeep.
Still "PUP APPROVED"!!!
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Having a collapsed brake line was the first thing I thought of, because for me, that is the thing I see the most. A good friend of mine had a caliper locking up on his Ramcharger, and he was ready to buy a new caliper which was going to be somewhat expensive. I told him to start with the brake line first (you could actually see a bulge in the line) and work from there. Well, it was just the brake line. And since he replaced the passenger side, we did both sides...which lead to doing the hard lines too because they snapped trying to remove the old soft lines. In my personal experience I have only had one caliper actually fail, and that was only because it had some how been full of water.
Yeah, I dunno why he described that as the unicorn, its almost always the line.
@@coolhanddruid because where he lives. The rust belt, more calipers size and rise out before the softlines even get a chance to think about it
Yea 97% of Ferrari's, Porsches and Lambo's don't see a racetrack in their entire lifespan. 1 of those actually do see the racetrack and get smashed to bits cause the idiots driving them dont know the first thing about racing and then there's the 2% that were purposed purchases for the racetrack
Yeah I thought brake line first thing also. Chrysler must had brake lines made some how different than every one else. Had to replace all 4 on my truck in the last 2 years, but they lasted for almost 20 before the problems started.
MN guy here. Most of the time it's the caliper pistons that are stuck. For my own vehicles, I've rebuilt many calipers. For customers, the labor time and price of replacement caliper, it's about the same. Just more work for me!
Hey Wes, just wanted to say thanks as I was just about to do the same job on my truck and had a caliper ready to fire at it. Instead, after your video, went out opened the bleeder, and caliper pistons went right in! Same vintage, different brand, 2012 f150!
Now I get to return that caliper and get some money back! Thanks for the tip!
And how pissed would you have been if the new caliper also dragged...
Wes you got a good one in. 👍
I can't believe it. You didn't have much poking at the jeep. It had to be in petty good shape. Yes, the heat and humidity are bad this past week. So know what your facing. Thanks again for sharing and always good to see Ms.Wes come and play in the shop. Have a great day👋
I wait all week for these videos like a dog to it's master coming home. Nothing ever good on tv to watch.
Good catch on the brake hose, Wes. I've even had them rust Jack under the brackets. Gotta love the rust belt.
Glad you mentioned the brake hose collapsing. Had the same exact thing happen to me on a 16 Jeep. I feel like they’re super susceptible to it for some reason.
I had the same on my 13 a few years ago. I’m sure its a cost cutting. And god help you if you need a new ball joint.😢
The hoses don't collapse. What happens is that the big steel bracket that you can see on the new hose at 7:17 rusts and compresses the hose. That blocks the flow of fluid. For all intents and purposes it rust-jacks all around the hose. I've seen it many, many, many times up here in Montreal...Sometimes all you need to do is remove the bracket, bend it open, clean all the rust inside it, apply some kind of rustproofing and reassemble it. Voila! Brakes work fine!
Yes it does. My hoses were not in that bracket due to a lift kit which required removal of them.@@laveritesurlestemoinsdejeh8522
Thanks for the ride along. On camera that jeep looks really nice. Interesting info on coolants, I didn’t realize the variants in them. Nice job sir.
Great info on the brake hose, I've been popped on that before.
Wheel spacers.....😐
It's comforting to know that even professional mechanics sometime dread doing the messy job. Thanks for the great content on a Sunday morning, aka me time because everyone is asleep.
Nice to get a "brake" now an then! Enjoyed watching, thanks.
Didn't know that the newer mall crawlers had coil springs all the way around. Where is their chrome farm jack, 12,000 lb front winch and dashboard ducks? Glad you got an easy one for a change Wes.
@@redrider7730 No,but I do have a jack plate under my 200 hp Mercury Black Max, but it's not chrome...yet.
This was a relaxing drama free video.
Your getting very close to 200k subs Wes 💪👍
Collapsed hoses used to be uncommon but I'm seeing them more often than not lately. It's almost never a bad caliper anymore, but the hose. I often wonder how many shops are selling unnecessary calipers when I see so many bad hoses
I'm an old school wrench twister Take a walk down memory lane with me.... In my day brake jobs whether Drum or disc never had the hoses collapse from the inside they would burst at the Crimped ends from becoming brittle! We would grab them and wiggle back and forth looking for signs of cracking. Back to modern day Something has changed in the rubber compound or the synthetic fluids aren't comparable with the rubber! Just a thought from one old wrench twister with his foot up on the bumper and a cup of Joe in his hand.
Happy to see someone that uses right coolant on mopar stuff most people throw dexcool in and make deposits in cooling system then wonder why it clogged up
Dang near every generic green antifreeze you can buy is a Dexcool clone, or "Dexclone" as many call it. Modern gaskets will handle the organic acid, but the issue I have is that it takes time to coat the metal and protect, and if fresh air hits it in an older cooling system (non-pressurized) it will cause rusted surfaces, which clean right off when coated again, but creates a red mud in the cooling system. I had no idea for years I was putting 2-ethylhexanoate (Dexcool's organic acid) into my older vehicles with non-pressurized cooling systems.
Why I use the go5 coolant mopar used I opened up my 300k mile engine to re seal no gunky deposit in cooling system I saw @@ChevyConQueso
LOL I made that mistake a spring ago and I didn't figure out that I had used the wrong fluid until I replaced the gear oil last fall. I will be doing a full flush next month to compensate and hopefully the heater O-rings are OK. I had never heard of hybrid organic acid antifreeze. I just got "Chrysler" compatible "dexcool" PG orange at the auto parts store thinking it was pale factory fluid from the previous owner.
That caulking gun tool is,god damn genius man
I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw a Milwaukee tool in Wes’ hand. 🍻 to many more
Nice to see someone change out hoses. People think they last a lifetime, but they don't. It's one of the first things I do when I buy an older car.
yeah probably should have done that when I bought my beater truck, but the dirt brown coolant was doing just fine. I know it's supposed to be green but it's aged like a cheap wine.
I love my 2013 Wrangler, it's a "3 Pedal" too, many manufacturers don't use standard transmissions anymore, for me I bought an automatic transmission car (Brand-new) and it was the biggest mistake ever, traded it a few months later, that shift paddles behind the steering wheel don't even come close to having a real clutch and manual shifter. That's my 10 cents opinion. I have a couple of videos perfecting my Jeep and it's always a pleasure working and driving it. Love the channel Wes, keep up the good work, Cheers from Toronto, Canada.
I have driven mostly manuals my whole life. Had to get rid of my rusty old tundra the other year and was disappointed I'd have to get an automatic again. There's just no choice out there.
I'd love to fix up an older truck, but then I'd be back to getting sub 20 mpg. I do like the power and fuel economy of newer vehicles, but they sure don't have the soul of older ones.
Good to see the Mrs again. Looking good in the jeep. She may want one now.
UK How on earth did they manage in World war 2 without a Jeep wheel sensor. Bl**dy hell we could have lost the war. Great vid Wes as always.
You showed your experience with that brake hose. Not many would have checked for that!
Wes, those engines are notorious for freeze plugs rusting through, second, the o-rings on the spin on oil filter mount get hard as rocks and leak too. I had to replace mine when the stealership decided that I had a rear main seal leaking. It wasn't, it was those o-rings failing. Replaced em with viton versions and never had a problem. Also the pot metal thermostat housing looked like termites had been eating it. Of course it was late Sunday evening when i discovered it and I needed it to get to work in the morning. I had to coat the inside and outside with JB Weld. It held until I sold it.
I ran into the very same unicorn this week. 2007 Yukon with a seized up caliper. Bought two new calipers since GM phenolic caliper pistons are well known for seizing up. Turned out the seized up one was actually the hose, just like this Jeep. 295K so I still put on the calipers but also put on two new hoses. I've heard of it but never seen it myself. That was a first.
Man that is a true unicorn with 3 pedals, you have seen two unicorns recently you might want to waste some money on the lottery. I think you have shown those solid hose clamp pliers before but can you refresh my memory to what they are.
Thanks for letting me watch you work Wes, always a joy!.
Nice job on the repairs Wes! 🙂👍 Pretty cool that one's a manual. Take care 🔧🔩
Hey Zane - this is as rust free as all the stuff you work on too, right? :P
Brilliant diagnostic on that hose ! Never woulda thunk it
The way you pronounced "Wrangler" just made my week... And I'm only 40 minutes into Monday. 🤣🤣🤣
Wes I just love the range of special tools you have the wheel stud installer won me over 👍👍I think you should do a full video of your special tool range for tool geeks like me .thanks Phil🇦🇺
That sensor came out amazingly well considering you geographical location.
Thinking the same, but that jeep is really clean
@@niteninja0133 Nice to see Wes have an easy ride for once.
I was sure he was going to have a fight with that.
G-05 is a good safe option to throw in an iron engine block with aluminum heads, or light diesels. I went one step further and have swapped to John Deere Cool Gard II in every engine I own (diesel and gas) which is very similar to G-05. It is also a gold color, but has 3 different organic acids in it, and it has great cavitation protection for HD diesels. It can be refreshed with cavitation additives once before replacement but is a 6 year coolant on it's own.
Oh, and be thankful it's 98 there. It was 107 in the shade and 111 on the concrete at my place in Texas yesterday, and I've been wrenching in the driveway for days. I am about to go back out in the misery.
In those heat conditions I would close shop. You are a trooper brother.
Thank you for testing that brake hose! My dad told me that happened to him once in the 80s and it drove him nuts trying to figure it out. Was very cool to see this tested and how a bad hose acts.
I love Sunday morning church with Father Wes
That was nice, not all drama and swearing, just an everyday wrenching and parts throwing one, thx a lot!
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My jeep is in the shop (2011 Wrangler) Missing her lots. Had to watch this just for the therapy. Thanks.
Best way to start my Sunday!
That thing is ready to tackle every curb at the shopping mall now!!
Every speed bump in the cul de sac!
Excellent! Perfect to see off my hangover!
We're in the same boat then 😂😂😂😂.
Same y'all 😂
I looked ever where for rust. It is not like you to not fight rust! Good job ALL stay, safe thank you
Ahhh, my FIX assuaged... why I Watch Wes Work... Thanks...
Hi Wes and Mrs Wes, everyones favourite everything, Many thanks from Nr Liverpool UK.
Wes got him a new toy. I've been wanting one.
Wes, I want to thank you for sharing your struggle with electrical connectors. Every time I spend 5-10 minutes trying to loosen some little clip I think I'm a big dunce. To know that even guys like you struggle makes me feel like it's ok to struggle with electrical connectors. Thanks.
Chrysler is the worst. But if that wasn't bad enough, everyone is now copying them!
What a strange brake malfunction! Haven't heard of that before. Nice to see you NOT have to deal with mass quantities of RUST!
Just give it 1 or 2 more winters and check back in😉
Great video Wes, at least the jeep isn't falling apart as you work on it.👍
It’s almost always the hoses collapsed here and rarely the calipers. I use the universal mix with any color antifreezes. Makes life simpler
Just replaced a seized caliper on my wife's car. I'm glad it was actually the caliper because i would have NEVER realized the brake line would form a check valve.
I'd have probably figured it out eventually, but only after replacing the caliper and pulling all my hair out.
Nice job Wes, and the one and only glorious assistant making an appearance, keep them coming, always a treat, and a laugh
Keep it up man! You're a great mechanic as well as a great, honest guy!
yep, hoses can become a check valve, the mechanics are simple to how it happens, but no one believes you until they have one.
Very professional on finding that bad brake line kudos
Fields look tremendous and your shop seems to be right in the middle of farm fields so 98 humindity isn't surprising. Gotta love it. lol Yeah, see ya next time.
Mrs. Wes coming in clutch for the brake-bleed!
I don't know about the other viewers but I was geeking out when ya guys were bleeding them breaks lol
IME most of those jeeps with modified suspensions will have hose failure due to restrictions. Between the fact that lifting the vehicle off the ground or turning the wheels makes the hoses stretch (due to being too short), and the steel bracket crimped around the hose (rust pinches the hose), it's almost an inevitable situation.
In my world if a caliper is dragging, even due to a hose, I'm replacing the caliper as well. I won't eat a comeback because a caliper got overheated and has some issue 364 days later. Phenolic calipers seem to have a limited lifespan regardless.
Thank you for sharing and your APPRECIATION
Someone has probably mentioned this already, but I'm too lazy to read 728 comments.... As far as the brake hose is concerned, it doesn't collapse internally. What happens is that the big steel bracket that you can see on the new hose at 7:17 rusts and compresses the hose. That blocks the flow of fluid. For all intents and purposes it rust-jacks all around the hose. I've seen it many, many, many times up here in Montreal...Sometimes all you need to do is remove the bracket, bend it open, clean all the rust inside it, apply some kind of rustproofing and reassemble it. Voila! Brakes work fine!
Wow !! Wes got an easy one for a change. The mechanic gods were good , today....
Another great video love the intro love seeing the family so you got some new tools have a great day😎👍👍
Wes, India's Roxon is a license built CJ-3 Willy's jeep with a Mahindra turbo deisel. Chrysler sued them so they altered some sheet metal so it didn't look exactly like a jeep. The engine is underpowered from the factory, but you can swap injectors, turbo, and flash the ECM and make good low speed torque power. They aren't street legal off the boat, but it is just a wiring harness change. Much cheaper than the pentastar version.
I don't think you can license those in Illinois without airbags.
Wes you Crack me up I'm watching you wrestle a caliper and tools with a hose connected and in frustration you mutter a fudge. Cracked me up cause I can relate.
Your vids are a highly anticipated part of my weekend, thanks for the content!
Jeep’s are always expensive.
More related to the video just did the rear wheel speed sensor on the wife’s 13 Acadia. I’m more impressed the Jeeps came out of the hole so easy. I had to file the corrosion out of the hole on hers to get the new one in. New one was OEM.
When I saw the pliers you used for the speed sensor, I was like...danger Will Robinson Danger.
Back when I was doing my own brake jobs, I'd just use a big C clamp, and the old brake pad to push the piston back in.
I used to use screwdrivers.
Hi wes I got a tip for you when putting oil pan gasket in place use zip ties to hold gasket in place put 2 or 4 bolts in and cut zip ties off its a lot easier 😀
I've had a Ford, Chev ,and a Dodge pickup. All have had stuck calipers, all needed hoses.
Glad to see a Jeep on here. If you want to see some really built Jeeps and other off road rigs and a event center full of off road and outdoor equipment I would like to invite you to the Dayton Off-road Expo held every year. We would love to have you and your family come on out to the Robert’s Center in Wilmington, OH. My club is Muddy Buddys Jeep Wrangler Club and this is one of our events. If you would be interested I would love to give you some more info. Love your channel and the stickers!!!
Used JKs are reasonably priced and rust manageable due to the heavy-duty frame, but beware the TIPM issues that can come with them. I got a used 08 JK 2.5 years ago and I still have a schizophrenic jeep despite replacing all but one of the TIPM internal relays last summer. (Pretty sure it's actually a TIPM internal transistor at fault now, so I'm going to try one more time.) BTW, the owner of that Jeep must rock climb, because both front trailing arms had a small upward bend in them from coming down on rocks. You are a good man for pointing out the HOAT landmine. I did actually screw up on my first antifreeze change.
I had heard that brake hoses can delaminate inside but kind of thought it was extremely rare. Apparently it isn't? One of the things I miss around here is places that turn rotors. The only option I have is replacing them. In This area, there is an insurance problem that forces repair shops to either pay really high rates or stop turning rotors and drums. Not happy about that. Anyway, glad to have another Watch Wes Work video.
Even O'Reilly's? Where are you people's republic of new chinayork?
Mopar- auto mechanic’s best friend for over 50 years!
love these new intro edits.
As always cool stuff. Nice to see the pretty professional brake bleeder. 107 in Texas but no humidity. Thanks for sharing
As a dealer tech, the abs tc lights are normal when a scan tool is plugged in. Even factory pods do it.
Good job getting sorted out
Whoever did the brake work before you didn’t give a shit. It’s nice to see it done properly. As always it was a good video
What a great find with the hose blocking the brake fluid. Hope you could return the caliper. Yes those Jeeps always look fun to drive but I have never had a small one like that. Thanks for the videos.
We have temps in 100's + in TX so HOT ! Nice to see Puff & Stuff in for the assist
Nice job Wes, happy Sunday👍🇮🇪😎
Great vid Wes. I figured it was pretty hot as I could hear the fan I the background. Thanks for sharing as always.
6:25 never knew that could happen. Learnt a new one here.
Lucky to get the sensor out. Usually they are semi-permanent fixtures of the hub assembly after 10 years.
Nice video, excellent job & great tip re suspect seized wheel cylinder/collapsed brake hose diag
For some reason every FCA vehicle I work on flashes the brake lights when you hook up a scan tool to them. I think it's to remind you that you have a scanner hooked up, just in case you might forget.
I have an ‘01 GMC 2500 that shuts off and resets the radio every time I hook up the Autel.
Even with factory micro pod scan tools the abs and brake lights flash, just a communication thing