hey wess thanks as always for the vids. im guessing you disapprove of mr camatra's predilection to apply brute force and ignorance to almost every problem lol. you have to admit that castle is pretty nifty and he dose get it done,,,,,if ungentlemanly at times. given a choice broken down in the bush he would probably get us out .
@@mobiousenigma The gas powered chain saw to the dash stereo installation will go down in history as iconic Camarata! For a dig or a road, I'd hire Andrew in a minute were I not on the other side of the continent.
@@MrSearay1962 I always laughed at the kids who would go buy the cheap air impacts that made noise and didn't hit. And we used air chisels a LOT! I still have the replacement I got for the old Astro, a SnapON one with almost as much hit. That model served me well. I think I just made the last payment on it last week.
Former tire guy here. That is caused by heat. Constantly applying the brakes. Used to see it a lot when I used to work on garbage trucks. One company in my area made it a common practice to replace rims every couple years because of it.
@@steve_does disc brakes are the best for said application, drum brakes may create heat but disc brakes couldn’t stop such mass without costing a fortune, dump trucks r Fukien havy
I'm a airline mechanic and don't know anything about heavy trucks but when he used the Tire Dolley to remove the tires that made me smile. That's the same Dolley we have and use it every night on the over night inspections when we check tires and brakes and change the bad ones. Gotta keep'em flying and get ready for war the next morning a.k.a. the next day's flying schedule, and the next, into eternity.
I had a 10 wheel dump truck in the late 90's - early 2000's that had 11R22.5 tires on it with the steel Budd wheels just like this truck you're working on. The difference being that I was regularly running it with 35 ton gross weight (which was allowed in NJ with special plates).......and it would do exactly this at least 3-4 times a year. I even switched all 8 rear wheels to the heavy duty steel Budd wheel.....and it would still do it on a regular basis. It just became a regular check that was part of the pre-trip and pretty much every time I was out of the truck before I got back in it.....kick all the inner tires to see if there was any anomalies. As soon as I heard the noise at the beginning of the video I knew exactly what was wrong!!! LOL
I think it just comes from going over a bad rail road track or a pot hole or man hole or even a rock, in your daily route; for that moment, you put all the weight on that one tire with a sudden jolt as you hit the bump; That's the only thing I can think of. Maybe it's the brakes coming on way too strong -- and that sudden STOP in the hub, while the wheel is still rolling with all that weight and traction; The wheel diameter is just too big and has too much leverage for that amount of weight. Just thinking out loud. It's kind of strange to see that it happens so often. Maybe it's just the metallurgy is too brittle or that it work hardens. It's interesting; I wish someone could explain the exact science of what is happening. I guess they should just build them thicker. lol
@@calholli the lugs have rust stains around them, after the repair, they need to be torqued up, and retorqued again in a hundred miles, then retorqued weekly until they hold torque. that paint will wear off, cause those nuts to loosen.
I wonder if this is why a lot of heavy duty trucks used to have spoke, AKA "dayton" wheels instead of budd wheels. Though it seems that modern heavy duty trucks always come with budd wheels. Sometimes I see a more modern looking truck with spoke wheels, though that is pretty rare. In the past, even in places like Europe and the former soviet union, the heavy duty trucks frequently had spoke wheels.
I was surprised at how easy those tires were to change, expected worse. And kudos to the driver for paying attention to his vehicle and doing something before a disaster.
easy, yes easy,,,LOL he just made it look easy , if you want to get a workout and learn 138 new curse words, try changing one alone in the garage. They suck if you dont do them kinda often. These guys on youtube make many things look easy to us but when most of us attempt it, it makes us look like idiots! haha
I had all 6 of my 11r22.5 changed on my converted bus. After seeing the fight they gave, I’m glad I did not attempt to change myself as I was going to 🤣
@@warrenmichael918 I'll take commercial truck tires over low profile run-flats (think Corvette tires) any day. Commercial truck tires are heavy, but that's the only hard part about them. And if you lift your tires properly, it's 100% doable for someone healthy.
@@SkylineFTW97 heck yes me too. Those low pro tires would suck to do at home. Like your comment about "lifting" them properly, many guys dont know what youre saying. Sounds like you have a little experience doing tires, im saying to the average guy that wants to try to swap a few tires with little to NO experience, they will hate it LOL
Guy got killed week or so ago when he stepped out of his vehicle to get ticket out of machine at parking garage. Car rolled and pinned him in the door. Never know when your time is up. Doing dumb stuff can accelerate that date though.
I’m a contractor and a house I worked in the homeowner, a young Mom dropped something on the garage floor while sitting in the car with the door open and she reached down to pick it up. While she was doing that the car which was in reverse already, rolled back and pinned her between the car door and the opening to the garage and killed her. The worst part was one of her kids was a special needs little boy who really needed his mom. Today is a gift tomorrow is not a guarantee. So happy Wes is ok after his incident, he was so lucky.
Wes, as someone who was an aircraft mechanic in the Coast Guard for 5 years and an Ironworker welder for 3 years before that plus 40 years this next January working in noisy bars and other locations on jukeboxes, pinball and arcade games I'm seriously impressed that you wear eye and hearing protection. To many people on other UA-cam channels don't and all I can think is how bad their hearing will be when theur ny age (68). I did wear hearing protection my entire working life yet I do have some hearing loss. I'd be deaf if I hadn't. I'm also impressed that you tourque wrench those lug nuts. Bus Grease Monkey also showed the effects of mechanics that only use an air wernch to install them with the same results on bus rims, studs, brake drums and wheel bearings. Yuppers, you're definitely a top of the line mechanic your customers are lucky tohave you working on their vehicles.
Everyone thinks they're invincible, especially the boys. I work on a flight line, and I've always got over ears on, maybe double it up when marshalling aircraft. Some guys say "I already can't hear" when I recommend putting on protection, completely neglecting the fact that IT WILL GET WORSE. I've already got ringing and some loss, and I sure as hell don't wanna be deaf.
Have seen this on dumps, rollbacks, mail carriers and garbage trucks as well. Salt. Salt from the road goes to directly the drum/wheel mating surface, continues its amazing freeze and thaw cycle from how hot the drum gets from continuous daily operation. Rust jacking is amazing in the salt belts of this country. I would be willing to bet that the salt itself being spread does a far greater amount of economic damage than anything coming from the sky.
Here's some facts from the EPA; 'Rock salt is very effective at melting snow and ice and is considered to be pretty cheap. But rock salt's low cost does not include the potential damage to property, infrastructure, or the environment. Though seemingly harmless to us, rock salt can have corrosive effects in large quantities that affects cars, trucks, bridges, and roads resulting in approximately $5 billion dollars in annual repairs in the U.S. alone. In addition, road salt can also infiltrate nearby surface and ground waters and can contaminate drinking water reservoirs and wells. High sodium levels in drinking water affect people with high blood pressure, and high chloride levels in surface waters are toxic to some fish, bugs, and amphibians. Furthermore, excess road salt accumulates on roadside areas killing roadside plants and harming wildlife that eat the salt crystals. Salty roads also attract animals like deer and moose (who love licking up the salt), increasing the probability of accidents and roadkill.'
I hate the stuff and what it does to my cars, but a few years ago I got caught out in a major ice storm that the plows never got a chance to spread any salt, so every road was totally iced over. I had my Suburban in 4-Hi and never managed to get much above 25mph, people were either just stranded in the road or on the side of the road or in the ditch. At one point coming down a hill on a 4-lane highway, a guy in a minivan spun sideways and blocked both lanes. I tried to stop but just started sliding so I aimed for the grass median to go around him, then floored it to try to crawl back onto the highway. I still don't know how that thing pulled itself back onto the road, but I made it home. That 30 minute drive took almost 2 hours. Unfortunately, we need the salt.
@@98-SR5 no, we don't. A huge portion of countries use synthetics that don't damage vehicles or infrastructure, and also many use sand with great effects. Get propper tires and don't go out in a major storm, problem solved
I worked for Waste Management as a mechanic for a short time. Hated working on the garbage trucks. Would have to comb my hair to get the maggots out of my hair that would drop on me. Digging out the compressor wheels when they came off was also fun. Old timers would crawl behind the hydraulic tank and use the area as a bathroom while out. So glad when I left that job. Thanks for sharing.
Wes, many years ago, I ran a service station, and I did a lot of truck tires. They were all tube type with split rim, split ring and the real man killer, the solid ring 16-inch chevy 3/4-ton truck tire rims. I did not have a cage and I would set them out in the driveway and put the air hose on and walk away. I was always very careful and did not have one blow up, but a shop close by did have a man killed when a split rim exploded in his face standing as he stood over it while holding the air hose. I agree. Let the tire shops service them. At least these are tubeless.
We had a garbage truck come into the dealer half full transmission went out. It sat in the sun for a week before the parts came in, what a smell and the maggots were in full form.
A mate of mine is a heavy vehicle inspector. He said to me, "If you don't eat at least 3 maggots when inspecting a garbage truck, then you haven't inspected it properly."
I am really impressed with all the specialty tools you have, maneuvering those heavy parts like boss. Also ignore all the morons who keep referring to your previous video, some ppl just don't know when to let go & move on.
Simms- Glad you said that. Like there's a bunch of 3 year olds watching. Maybe he should come out in a clown suit and slip on a banana peel to keep them entertained.
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sure wish I had a mechanic as knowledgeable honest and with your tenacity instead of the ones trying to sell us an engine when all we asked to get done was an alternator or thermostat, don't ever lose your ethics or video formats we highly appreciate it.
I used to work at a big depot - full of rubbish trucks and work vehicles and I used to watch the tyre bloke every day come to do tyres. Man earned his money and even with all his equipment it wasn't easy. I think not getting good at it is a good call Wes. Thanks for the video - I love that you pretty much work on anything!
I used to work for a John Deere ag dealer and for the last 11 years I hauled equipment for them. I loaded a 9770 combine on 30 " rows with duals onto an RGN trailer and hauled it to the dealership for winter service. As I was backing the combine off the trailer, I saw the drive wheel supporting the combine on the outriggers wiggle. I stopped moving to investigate. The inner dual was cracked just like this truck wheel. I gathered some railroad ties and other dunnage to put under the outer dual (hanging off the trailer) only to find the outer dual was flat. After inflating the outer dual I was able to unload the combine somewhat safely. I wonder how long the farmer had harvested in rough field conditions with only the inner dual carrying the weight of the combine and corn head. I wonder if the trash truck had been running with the outer dual under inflated and over loaded for some time. Great content, I don't miss working on trucks at all.
I may have said it before, but it is worth repeating. People like you keep your country running. What impresses me is the variety of skills you have. But cheer up. All that hard work pays off when you get to cruse around town with that chick magnet. : )
I bought my Big Nasty several years ago after seeing it on SMA.......I don't get it out very often, but it has not let me down yet. Nothing can resist Big Nasty. Yes, eye and ear protection is a must.
I was a diesel mechanic for 20 years on a large dairy farm, as soon as I heard that noise I knew it was a broken rim. We had one truck always way overloaded single axle that it happened to almost yearly no matter what we did. Torquing didn’t help. I decided to just keep an extra rim, studs and lug nuts in stock. Excellent video Wes !
Always entertaining Wes. Quite shocked myself, I was expecting UJ busted, bearings grenaded, half shafts falling out, but not that. Good catch, and with you on replacing it all, sometimes customers don’t understand “It’s OK”, but not really understanding the potential for down the road (no pun intended). Catch you in the next one, and stay safe!!
I've seen it happen to garbage trucks before, this time it went so long the crack went into the airtight part of the rim. It was on its way to completely flying apart. I think it happens because of being overloaded, and simultaneously making really sharp turns all the time.
Ah! Thorsen tools! I am 77 years old. My first tool set was Thorsen that my dad gave me when I was 14. I still have quite a few of them after all these years and miles. Good tools.
I love watching you Wes. I love that you work on big trucks, cars, foreign, domestic. Your humility and willingness to work on whatever comes your way are signs of a great mechanic, and your electrical diagnostic capability is top notch. I say that as an EE. Question though, what is that goop you used where the beads ride on the new wheels? ..... Funny that you're talking about how terrible you are at changing truck tires and here I am thinking you make it look easy.
Agreed it’s the variety that brings the charm on this channel. One minute we are soldering wires, the next wrestling with rusty old trucks. Not sure why subscribers aren’t higher
Hey bud! My Dad had a truck company! Had one truck that had Aluminum wheels on second axle 1st rear axle was steel! The driver wanted to use the wheels so both axles had aluminum on outside on both axles with steel inside. This can be done but have to use the proper nut studs and nuts! Like what you had happen there the inner wheel worked loose . The steel wheel rocked loos till sheared the studs and spit the set of wheels off from hub dropping the axle assemble to the ground an the wheels off the road down a hill into a ravine was a mess! Have to think and use proper studs and nuts for steel/aluminum wheels! Luckily no one was hurt! Took me several hrs to make repairs on side of road to get the truck back going! Lug wheel nuts and nuts have to match for the wheel being installed aluminum nuts will not hold steel wheels and steel nuts will crush aluminum wheels cause damage and come loose! This is a common mistake ! For those who do not know what they are doing!
My brother ran a little Shell station in Sheridan, OR back in the '80s. I remember him swinging that hammer and working with split-rim widow makers. I like watching you farmers work. Makes me feel productive. Thanks for the videos!
Between Watch Wes Work and Vice Grip Garage I am always looking for broken stuff to 'bring back around' because quite frankly you BOTH make spinning wrenches more enjoyable.
I had to work on a garbage truck once in my days way way long ago and I will never forget that experience! I wasn't nearly as lucky as you Wes, in two unfortunate ways. One was that it had a bad transmission that had to be pulled, and two it was not empty! In fact it was full to the brim. Here's the part that I'll never forget, as I was laying on my creeper studying how I was going to tackle this huge Allison transmission that was covered with about an inch of oil soaked dirt and unthinkable, I began to notice these little white pieces of rice and they were all moving in the same direction going towards the front of the truck. Then I realized that it wasn't rice I was looking at heading in my direction, it was maggots falling from the back portion of the truck. This truck had been broke down for over a week before I got the pleasure of working on it! Thats been over 30 years ago and its still fresh in my memory! lol
Anybody who ever complains or dislikes your work can suck it. You are damn good. You have taught me more in 2 years than any other source. Thx and be safe.
With everything you said. I would have pulled the other side off and inspected it to see if it is in the same condition. Looks like over loaded stress cracks..
This is why pre-trip inspections are important, boys and girls. Granted, this is something that would be a little harder to find, but just based on the sound, I was thinking cracked drums or cracked rims to start with. Happens a lot more often than you think, often due to rust, this is why I don't like steel wheels on such trucks.
My guess on the broken rim is because garbage truck do a lot of start and go, and on steep incline(full weight). I might add that being on the passenger side, it could mean that truck goes a lot on the side of the road where it finish and meet the gravel. Brake heavily while one wheel is totally off the road 'free spinning' and only the broken one was actually experiencing all the work/force.
Nice work Wes! Having the correct tools for the job makes a huge difference...your tool cost must be huge also! This was a accident waiting to happen. Thankfully you were able to troubleshoot and fix before injury or further damage happened. Thanks for sharing!
I have to admit, you always seem to come up with some of the most interesting failures I've ever seen before. And that is what makes your channel worth watching as well... Thumbs Up!
Wes, you probably will not have to change many truck sized wheel studs, but you can use "big Nasty" to easily drive the studs out if you use a piece of pipe (can even be just PVC) big enough inside diameter for the driver end to fit through and just long enough to account for the hammer stroke length. Slip the pipe over the wheel stud and hold it in place with a gloved hand and set the hammer end of Big Nasty on the end of the stud. The pipe is the guide to keep the hammer in place. This technique can be adapted to most sizes of wheel studs and hammers.
in my "professional" opinion as a truck driver this is caused by tire servicemen torqueing the wheels while the brakes are applied. the brake shoes hold the brake drum from sliding inboard fully; meaning that when you release the brakes the whole rim/brake drum assembly loosens off a tiny bit. this tiny amount of play is enough to cause this problem over time. the tell tale sign is the rust lines radiating out from the wheel studs at 0:50 minutes. ask me how i know lol. i have spent DAYS in tire shops over the years. when the wheel nuts are torqued the whole truck and trailer should roll ahead or back slightly. Wes you did it correctly.
Sadly I have seen this before but it was on the outside wheel and it came off and caused a fatal accident, great video keep up the good work God bless from GA and stay safe
Glad you seem fine after your vehicle mishap. Loved the Andrew Camaratta comment! I bet I am not the only one that start quoting a latin chant after you dropped the rim and made that bell resonating sound.
Finding and fixing that could have saved someone's life bro and not just the truck driver. First time I have seen a rim do that too. Anyway safe travels you guys
Thanks for the video - it looks like the continuous stop-start-stop-start of the garbage truck operation could have created that circular fracture - very interesting.
An easier to store alternative to the seldom used wheel dolly is a sheet of safety glass- like the rear window from a truck. Doesn't matter if is cracked. Can even use it on the gravel parking lot on top a piece of plywood. Grease or oil makes it slippery so the wheel assembly slides reasonably well. I've made do with a greased garage floor. (I weighed 125 lb then)
My father in law is, I believe the world's oldest active tire guy. He's going to retire in January. He's 78 and just this year he gave up being the road service guy he still does the in house truck tires. If he didn't need both knees and a shoulder replacement he wouldn't retire. Tough old guy
Good job Wes my experience on inner wheel crack is overload. Once they crack they flex and you get what you have. I ran into this issue on refuse trucks like you had. Think as you said to much yardage for light truck.
I moved out of IL 10 years ago, I don’t miss the two seasons. Winter and construction. Worst part was the roads never got better. From one Wes to another thanks as always for the great content. Cheers
Definitely a interesting video Wes! Those new white rims sure are a contrast to the rest of the truck! Trash trucks have a very tough life with all the constant starting, stopping, and rough roads, any wonder they hold up as long as they do.
Curbs as well in the city, often some entrances into parking lots and yards are not designed to be easily used by trucks and the guys just want to get the work done and go home, so inevitably they jump a few curbs here and there
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👍👌👏 Very well done again and as always (video and work). I bet that you are right, Sir. The massive overhanging weight cries for a second rear axle. Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing. Best regards luck and health to all of you.
Chru- Did it look like it got hot to you? Was wondering if the crack was caused by rapid extreme temperature change or solely caused by weight/ impact from the road. Cheers!
Wes, now you have wheels for a fire pit. That's certainly a strange one on the broken wheel. I had an old Scout that was in for inspection, and on the way home from work the following day, my wheel passed me on the highway. They claimed that the loose wheel wasn't their fault. I actually put it in 4 wheel drive to pull it off the road, and the next day got another drum at the junkyard, and put it back together again.i never had that problem before with drums, but I didn't go back to that inspection shop anymore. I just didn't trust them.
Ever watch Letos Law. In MI, a customer had his tires rotated, and they didn’t tighten the lugs. Wheel fell off and major injuries occurred. Customer tried to sue. The Michigan Supreme Court ruled that the fact they started the job, constitutes completion of the job. The customer received nothing from the courts, since the dealer was not found at fault.
First glad to see you're in good health. Second it seems like you're in repeat customer territory with the worst possible vehicles. Why can't the people with nice clean vehicles have a simple problem that will repeat customers.
Unfortunately, the nice, clean, easy jobs don't bring much money, even if they're a repeat customer, so ya gotta do what ya gotta do, and often that means hard work, or the hard jobs no one else wants to do🤣👍
I’m kind of surprised you didn’t take off the wheels from the other side just to inspect them and make sure the same thing isn’t happening on the other side. I doubt it would be. But it would put my mind at rest to have a look.
While changing that tire you struck the same note as in Shostakovich's tenth symphony when the viola's fade into a crescendo and the bell rings twice. Kudos! Kudos!😉
Although I enjoy the diagnostic videos, especially the complicated ones, there is something innately satisfying to see heavy mechanical work being done. As long as it is being done by somebody else.
It happens all the time on those things. Stress, rust, heat cycles, wrong torque, didn't clean the drum, and rim face with let the rust break free and like I said the thickness of a business card will start the wobble and cracking and cascades from there. Glad to see you and the pup are doing well and hope that you have a great thanks giving.
I find that ether (starting fluid) works the best and I don't think WD40 (is that what you meant?) has the volatility to work, at all. And who's to say what is right? The ether trick can really save your bacon if you're miles away from civilization or a workshop.
We had that exact thing happen on a Mack water truck. They changed the tires, and completely over torqued the nuts using a 1” impact. Ours cracked more to the outside of the stud holes, but the whole thing cracked off, and the tire proceeded to remove the airbag and some lines.
I've always hated working on the garbage trucks first thing in the morning, that smell stays with you all day long. It makes for a bad day to eat lunch and having to smell that smell 😂😂
25 year tractor trailer mechanic. I've seen a lot of this in the last 10 years mainly from Chinese drum mfg . The drum # will cross reference correctly, it will fit and work for a little while but ends up busting the rims and sometimes the drums . The hub pilot drums won't have the tiny chamfer close to the center but it looks like it fits but it doesn't so when it's put back together the rims and drums get bent towards the hub without the center moving at all .. 1/16 to 1/8 is all it takes. Steel wheels break before alluminum wheels oddly. It's crazy how small it if most mechanics won't catch it
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Is that the Eric O SMA autographed edition Big Nasty? That style has been around for 40 years at least. Had one until the barrel blew up.
hey wess thanks as always for the vids. im guessing you disapprove of mr camatra's predilection to apply brute force and ignorance to almost every problem lol. you have to admit that castle is pretty nifty and he dose get it done,,,,,if ungentlemanly at times. given a choice broken down in the bush he would probably get us out .
@@mobiousenigma The gas powered chain saw to the dash stereo installation will go down in history as iconic Camarata! For a dig or a road, I'd hire Andrew in a minute were I not on the other side of the continent.
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@@MrSearay1962 I always laughed at the kids who would go buy the cheap air impacts that made noise and didn't hit. And we used air chisels a LOT! I still have the replacement I got for the old Astro, a SnapON one with almost as much hit. That model served me well. I think I just made the last payment on it last week.
"I don't do enough of em to be good at it and that's just the way I want it"!! Good one, Wes!!! 🤣🤣
Former tire guy here. That is caused by heat. Constantly applying the brakes. Used to see it a lot when I used to work on garbage trucks. One company in my area made it a common practice to replace rims every couple years because of it.
that must be some severe heat buildup in the drums wow
might be better off with a disc brake chassis if its that big of a problem
@@alouisschafer7212 that would be up to the bean counters that order and buy these trucks!
That seems to be a logical explanation.
That makes sense - constant heat over time will anneal the metal, softening it. Those hubs likely get stupid hot on a daily garbage run.
@@steve_does disc brakes are the best for said application, drum brakes may create heat but disc brakes couldn’t stop such mass without costing a fortune, dump trucks r Fukien havy
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I'm a airline mechanic and don't know anything about heavy trucks but when he used the Tire Dolley to remove the tires that made me smile. That's the same Dolley we have and use it every night on the over night inspections when we check tires and brakes and change the bad ones. Gotta keep'em flying and get ready for war the next morning a.k.a. the next day's flying schedule, and the next, into eternity.
I had a 10 wheel dump truck in the late 90's - early 2000's that had 11R22.5 tires on it with the steel Budd wheels just like this truck you're working on. The difference being that I was regularly running it with 35 ton gross weight (which was allowed in NJ with special plates).......and it would do exactly this at least 3-4 times a year. I even switched all 8 rear wheels to the heavy duty steel Budd wheel.....and it would still do it on a regular basis. It just became a regular check that was part of the pre-trip and pretty much every time I was out of the truck before I got back in it.....kick all the inner tires to see if there was any anomalies. As soon as I heard the noise at the beginning of the video I knew exactly what was wrong!!! LOL
I think it just comes from going over a bad rail road track or a pot hole or man hole or even a rock, in your daily route; for that moment, you put all the weight on that one tire with a sudden jolt as you hit the bump; That's the only thing I can think of. Maybe it's the brakes coming on way too strong -- and that sudden STOP in the hub, while the wheel is still rolling with all that weight and traction; The wheel diameter is just too big and has too much leverage for that amount of weight. Just thinking out loud. It's kind of strange to see that it happens so often. Maybe it's just the metallurgy is too brittle or that it work hardens. It's interesting; I wish someone could explain the exact science of what is happening. I guess they should just build them thicker. lol
@@calholli the lugs have rust stains around them, after the repair, they need to be torqued up, and retorqued again in a hundred miles, then retorqued weekly until they hold torque. that paint will wear off, cause those nuts to loosen.
I wonder if this is why a lot of heavy duty trucks used to have spoke, AKA "dayton" wheels instead of budd wheels. Though it seems that modern heavy duty trucks always come with budd wheels. Sometimes I see a more modern looking truck with spoke wheels, though that is pretty rare. In the past, even in places like Europe and the former soviet union, the heavy duty trucks frequently had spoke wheels.
@@burgegerm7878 good question....don't think it matters.
@@burgegerm7878, nobody seems to know how to mount the wheels, and they ALWAYS wobble.
I was surprised at how easy those tires were to change, expected worse. And kudos to the driver for paying attention to his vehicle and doing something before a disaster.
Having changed those tires and wheels a lot over the years on my own truck, that is not an easy job. Just so you know, it's quite physical
easy, yes easy,,,LOL he just made it look easy , if you want to get a workout and learn 138 new curse words, try changing one alone in the garage. They suck if you dont do them kinda often. These guys on youtube make many things look easy to us but when most of us attempt it, it makes us look like idiots! haha
I had all 6 of my 11r22.5 changed on my converted bus. After seeing the fight they gave, I’m glad I did not attempt to change myself as I was going to 🤣
@@warrenmichael918 I'll take commercial truck tires over low profile run-flats (think Corvette tires) any day. Commercial truck tires are heavy, but that's the only hard part about them. And if you lift your tires properly, it's 100% doable for someone healthy.
@@SkylineFTW97 heck yes me too. Those low pro tires would suck to do at home. Like your comment about "lifting" them properly, many guys dont know what youre saying. Sounds like you have a little experience doing tires, im saying to the average guy that wants to try to swap a few tires with little to NO experience, they will hate it LOL
GLAD TO SEE YOU ARE OK FROM ACCIDENT.
Guy got killed week or so ago when he stepped out of his vehicle to get ticket out of machine at parking garage. Car rolled and pinned him in the door. Never know when your time is up. Doing dumb stuff can accelerate that date though.
I’m a contractor and a house I worked in the homeowner, a young Mom dropped something on the garage floor while sitting in the car with the door open and she reached down to pick it up. While she was doing that the car which was in reverse already, rolled back and pinned her between the car door and the opening to the garage and killed her. The worst part was one of her kids was a special needs little boy who really needed his mom.
Today is a gift tomorrow is not a guarantee. So happy Wes is ok after his incident, he was so lucky.
@@clintprice2123 damn
He was ok the day of just seconds later. Why wouldn't he be ok now?
@@clintprice2123 This might be a little harsh, but the mom was special needs too apparently.
Wes, as someone who was an aircraft mechanic in the Coast Guard for 5 years and an Ironworker welder for 3 years before that plus 40 years this next January working in noisy bars and other locations on jukeboxes, pinball and arcade games I'm seriously impressed that you wear eye and hearing protection.
To many people on other UA-cam channels don't and all I can think is how bad their hearing will be when theur ny age (68).
I did wear hearing protection my entire working life yet I do have some hearing loss.
I'd be deaf if I hadn't.
I'm also impressed that you tourque wrench those lug nuts.
Bus Grease Monkey also showed the effects of mechanics that only use an air wernch to install them with the same results on bus rims, studs, brake drums and wheel bearings.
Yuppers, you're definitely a top of the line mechanic your customers are lucky tohave you working on their vehicles.
Everyone thinks they're invincible, especially the boys. I work on a flight line, and I've always got over ears on, maybe double it up when marshalling aircraft. Some guys say "I already can't hear" when I recommend putting on protection, completely neglecting the fact that IT WILL GET WORSE. I've already got ringing and some loss, and I sure as hell don't wanna be deaf.
As the Limeys say, that drain pan that tucks into the wheel is a "nice bit of kit"
Respect to the owner too for taking it in to get it repaired instead of ignoring it.
Have seen this on dumps, rollbacks, mail carriers and garbage trucks as well. Salt. Salt from the road goes to directly the drum/wheel mating surface, continues its amazing freeze and thaw cycle from how hot the drum gets from continuous daily operation. Rust jacking is amazing in the salt belts of this country. I would be willing to bet that the salt itself being spread does a far greater amount of economic damage than anything coming from the sky.
Here's some facts from the EPA;
'Rock salt is very effective at melting snow and ice and is considered to be pretty cheap. But rock salt's low cost does not include the potential damage to property, infrastructure, or the environment. Though seemingly harmless to us, rock salt can have corrosive effects in large quantities that affects cars, trucks, bridges, and roads resulting in approximately $5 billion dollars in annual repairs in the U.S. alone. In addition, road salt can also infiltrate nearby surface and ground waters and can contaminate drinking water reservoirs and wells. High sodium levels in drinking water affect people with high blood pressure, and high chloride levels in surface waters are toxic to some fish, bugs, and amphibians. Furthermore, excess road salt accumulates on roadside areas killing roadside plants and harming wildlife that eat the salt crystals. Salty roads also attract animals like deer and moose (who love licking up the salt), increasing the probability of accidents and roadkill.'
As a northern Ohio native, I agree 100%.
when you mentioned salt, i thought maybe rust jacking and brittle/poor steel
I hate the stuff and what it does to my cars, but a few years ago I got caught out in a major ice storm that the plows never got a chance to spread any salt, so every road was totally iced over. I had my Suburban in 4-Hi and never managed to get much above 25mph, people were either just stranded in the road or on the side of the road or in the ditch. At one point coming down a hill on a 4-lane highway, a guy in a minivan spun sideways and blocked both lanes. I tried to stop but just started sliding so I aimed for the grass median to go around him, then floored it to try to crawl back onto the highway. I still don't know how that thing pulled itself back onto the road, but I made it home. That 30 minute drive took almost 2 hours. Unfortunately, we need the salt.
@@98-SR5 no, we don't. A huge portion of countries use synthetics that don't damage vehicles or infrastructure, and also many use sand with great effects. Get propper tires and don't go out in a major storm, problem solved
I worked for Waste Management as a mechanic for a short time. Hated working on the garbage trucks. Would have to comb my hair to get the maggots out of my hair that would drop on me. Digging out the compressor wheels when they came off was also fun. Old timers would crawl behind the hydraulic tank and use the area as a bathroom while out. So glad when I left that job.
Thanks for sharing.
I was watching thinking the exact opposite, I thought you made changing those tires look easy. You do super good work.
Wes, many years ago, I ran a service station, and I did a lot of truck tires. They were all tube type with split rim, split ring and the real man killer, the solid ring 16-inch chevy 3/4-ton truck tire rims. I did not have a cage and I would set them out in the driveway and put the air hose on and walk away. I was always very careful and did not have one blow up, but a shop close by did have a man killed when a split rim exploded in his face standing as he stood over it while holding the air hose. I agree. Let the tire shops service them. At least these are tubeless.
We had a garbage truck come into the dealer half full transmission went out. It sat in the sun for a week before the parts came in, what a smell and the maggots were in full form.
You want the rest of my sandwich now? 🤢
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A mate of mine is a heavy vehicle inspector. He said to me, "If you don't eat at least 3 maggots when inspecting a garbage truck, then you haven't inspected it properly."
Driver deserves an "atta boy" for catching the problem before it became a news item!
I am really impressed with all the specialty tools you have, maneuvering those heavy parts like boss. Also ignore all the morons who keep referring to your previous video, some ppl just don't know when to let go & move on.
Simms- Glad you said that. Like there's a bunch of 3 year olds watching. Maybe he should come out in a clown suit and slip on a banana peel to keep them entertained.
I like how you always try to work as neatly and cleanly as possible. Alot of us have something to learn from that.
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Yep …….. one of the things you definitely do not want to be good at is changing truck tires. Especially split ring.
sure wish I had a mechanic as knowledgeable honest and with your tenacity instead of the ones trying to sell us an engine when all we asked to get done was an alternator or thermostat, don't ever lose your ethics or video formats we highly appreciate it.
I used to work at a big depot - full of rubbish trucks and work vehicles and I used to watch the tyre bloke every day come to do tyres. Man earned his money and even with all his equipment it wasn't easy. I think not getting good at it is a good call Wes.
Thanks for the video - I love that you pretty much work on anything!
I used to work for a John Deere ag dealer and for the last 11 years I hauled equipment for them. I loaded a 9770 combine on 30 " rows with duals onto an RGN trailer and hauled it to the dealership for winter service. As I was backing the combine off the trailer, I saw the drive wheel supporting the combine on the outriggers wiggle. I stopped moving to investigate. The inner dual was cracked just like this truck wheel. I gathered some railroad ties and other dunnage to put under the outer dual (hanging off the trailer) only to find the outer dual was flat. After inflating the outer dual I was able to unload the combine somewhat safely. I wonder how long the farmer had harvested in rough field conditions with only the inner dual carrying the weight of the combine and corn head.
I wonder if the trash truck had been running with the outer dual under inflated and over loaded for some time.
Great content, I don't miss working on trucks at all.
I may have said it before, but it is worth repeating. People like you keep your country running. What impresses me is the variety of skills you have. But cheer up. All that hard work pays off when you get to cruse around town with that chick magnet. : )
I bought my Big Nasty several years ago after seeing it on SMA.......I don't get it out very often, but it has not let me down yet. Nothing can resist Big Nasty. Yes, eye and ear protection is a must.
I was a diesel mechanic for 20 years on a large dairy farm, as soon as I heard that noise I knew it was a broken rim. We had one truck always way overloaded single axle that it happened to almost yearly no matter what we did. Torquing didn’t help. I decided to just keep an extra rim, studs and lug nuts in stock. Excellent video Wes !
Thumbs up for getting that Big Nasty. That rusty "agression will not stand, man".
Always entertaining Wes. Quite shocked myself, I was expecting UJ busted, bearings grenaded, half shafts falling out, but not that. Good catch, and with you on replacing it all, sometimes customers don’t understand “It’s OK”, but not really understanding the potential for down the road (no pun intended). Catch you in the next one, and stay safe!!
Thorsen tools, wow a name from the past. My first set of tools was Thorsen too. Still have a few wrenches and screwdrivers left, 52 years ago it was.
I've seen it happen to garbage trucks before, this time it went so long the crack went into the airtight part of the rim. It was on its way to completely flying apart. I think it happens because of being overloaded, and simultaneously making really sharp turns all the time.
Ah! Thorsen tools! I am 77 years old. My first tool set was Thorsen that my dad gave me when I was 14. I still have quite a few of them after all these years and miles. Good tools.
I love watching you Wes. I love that you work on big trucks, cars, foreign, domestic. Your humility and willingness to work on whatever comes your way are signs of a great mechanic, and your electrical diagnostic capability is top notch. I say that as an EE.
Question though, what is that goop you used where the beads ride on the new wheels? ..... Funny that you're talking about how terrible you are at changing truck tires and here I am thinking you make it look easy.
Agreed, just to remind that Wes is a mechanical engineer...
Agreed it’s the variety that brings the charm on this channel. One minute we are soldering wires, the next wrestling with rusty old trucks. Not sure why subscribers aren’t higher
Goop was bead sealer. Slow leaks from beads can drive you nuts! Rust makes them worse.
Hey bud! My Dad had a truck company! Had one truck that had Aluminum wheels on second axle 1st rear axle was steel! The driver wanted to use the wheels so both axles had aluminum on outside on both axles with steel inside. This can be done but have to use the proper nut studs and nuts! Like what you had happen there the inner wheel worked loose . The steel wheel rocked loos till sheared the studs and spit the set of wheels off from hub dropping the axle assemble to the ground an the wheels off the road down a hill into a ravine was a mess! Have to think and use proper studs and nuts for steel/aluminum wheels! Luckily no one was hurt! Took me several hrs to make repairs on side of road to get the truck back going! Lug wheel nuts and nuts have to match for the wheel being installed aluminum nuts will not hold steel wheels and steel nuts will crush aluminum wheels cause damage and come loose! This is a common mistake ! For those who do not know what they are doing!
You got the job done and there is no hole in the wall so good job Wes!
Driving into Central Texas today, it was all "straight pipe" Freightliners pulling stock trailers . . . Fall is finally here.
That's every day here. Starts about 5 AM.
@@WatchWesWork Sigh, I wa out today at 0500. But, no, it was all the trailer s were livestock--not a single grain trailer all day.
My brother ran a little Shell station in Sheridan, OR back in the '80s. I remember him swinging that hammer and working with split-rim widow makers. I like watching you farmers work. Makes me feel productive. Thanks for the videos!
I have the IR 114GQC to bust brakes and bolts loose with... That needle scaler is 110% the best tool for scale rust. Nice Save...
Between Watch Wes Work and Vice Grip Garage I am always looking for broken stuff to 'bring back around' because quite frankly you BOTH make spinning wrenches more enjoyable.
And Rainman Ray is worth a watch
I had to work on a garbage truck once in my days way way long ago and I will never forget that experience! I wasn't nearly as lucky as you Wes, in two unfortunate ways. One was that it had a bad transmission that had to be pulled, and two it was not empty! In fact it was full to the brim. Here's the part that I'll never forget, as I was laying on my creeper studying how I was going to tackle this huge Allison transmission that was covered with about an inch of oil soaked dirt and unthinkable, I began to notice these little white pieces of rice and they were all moving in the same direction going towards the front of the truck. Then I realized that it wasn't rice I was looking at heading in my direction, it was maggots falling from the back portion of the truck. This truck had been broke down for over a week before I got the pleasure of working on it! Thats been over 30 years ago and its still fresh in my memory! lol
Definitely my favorite part about about living in Illinois is our "glass" smooth roads, second favorite is our "honest" politicians lol
Whoa! 😦 That's crazy how the wheel cracked Wes! I think you done a great job with the tire swap. Take care and be safe 🔧🔩
Anybody who ever complains or dislikes your work can suck it. You are damn good. You have taught me more in 2 years than any other source. Thx and be safe.
With everything you said. I would have pulled the other side off and inspected it to see if it is in the same condition. Looks like over loaded stress cracks..
Was wondering if he did that. Maybe just a check for movement?
This is why pre-trip inspections are important, boys and girls. Granted, this is something that would be a little harder to find, but just based on the sound, I was thinking cracked drums or cracked rims to start with. Happens a lot more often than you think, often due to rust, this is why I don't like steel wheels on such trucks.
That wheel is now the nicest looking part of the truck. Nice work! Crazy failure mode on that old wheel
If someone made a comment, let me at them. Watching you change a tire brought back memories. Exactly what I did thousands of times.
Very nice work, and interesting problem! BTW, you change big tires just like we did on the farm over in Hawkeye land. So you did it right. 😁
I’m came because you rolled the Pontiac into the garage wall. I’m staying to watch Wes work 💪🏼💪🏼
My guess on the broken rim is because garbage truck do a lot of start and go, and on steep incline(full weight).
I might add that being on the passenger side, it could mean that truck goes a lot on the side of the road where it finish and meet the gravel.
Brake heavily while one wheel is totally off the road 'free spinning' and only the broken one was actually experiencing all the work/force.
That brake drum isn't light , i think that one is 105 lbs. Great video as always, keep up the great work.
Nice work Wes! Having the correct tools for the job makes a huge difference...your tool cost must be huge also! This was a accident waiting to happen. Thankfully you were able to troubleshoot and fix before injury or further damage happened. Thanks for sharing!
it woul have been a clip, on bonehead truckers!
Damn, breaking those tires down with tire spoons, we're REALLY watching Wes work today!
I have to admit, you always seem to come up with some of the most interesting failures I've ever seen before. And that is what makes your channel worth watching as well... Thumbs Up!
Who the hell you kidding, you’re going to be “The next guy”.
Wes, you probably will not have to change many truck sized wheel studs, but you can use "big Nasty" to easily drive the studs out if you use a piece of pipe (can even be just PVC) big enough inside diameter for the driver end to fit through and just long enough to account for the hammer stroke length. Slip the pipe over the wheel stud and hold it in place with a gloved hand and set the hammer end of Big Nasty on the end of the stud. The pipe is the guide to keep the hammer in place. This technique can be adapted to most sizes of wheel studs and hammers.
in my "professional" opinion as a truck driver this is caused by tire servicemen torqueing the wheels while the brakes are applied. the brake shoes hold the brake drum from sliding inboard fully; meaning that when you release the brakes the whole rim/brake drum assembly loosens off a tiny bit. this tiny amount of play is enough to cause this problem over time. the tell tale sign is the rust lines radiating out from the wheel studs at 0:50 minutes. ask me how i know lol. i have spent DAYS in tire shops over the years. when the wheel nuts are torqued the whole truck and trailer should roll ahead or back slightly. Wes you did it correctly.
Sadly I have seen this before but it was on the outside wheel and it came off and caused a fatal accident, great video keep up the good work God bless from GA and stay safe
Glad you seem fine after your vehicle mishap. Loved the Andrew Camaratta comment! I bet I am not the only one that start quoting a latin chant after you dropped the rim and made that bell resonating sound.
You make it look easy! I have work on those wheels, back breaking work. What I learned is, not a career for me! thank you ALL stay safe
Finding and fixing that could have saved someone's life bro and not just the truck driver. First time I have seen a rim do that too. Anyway safe travels you guys
Overloaded single axle with some lateral impact (sliding on ice) is my best guess. Great video Wes.
Don't let anyone tell you that you're lousy in changing truck tires, you are great at it my sarcastic sunbeam!! ... was good to watch you work Wes ...
Wow, that's nuts...I've never seen a rim crack like that. Nice repair job as always Wes and thanks for another great episode !
Thanks for the video - it looks like the continuous stop-start-stop-start of the garbage truck operation could have created that circular fracture - very interesting.
Good Job Wes 👍, always Best to Replace not only the Main Fault but whats its in Contact with
So glad to see that that last mishap doesn't seem to have damaged you in any permanent fashion .
An easier to store alternative to the seldom used wheel dolly is a sheet of safety glass- like the rear window from a truck. Doesn't matter if is cracked. Can even use it on the gravel parking lot on top a piece of plywood. Grease or oil makes it slippery so the wheel assembly slides reasonably well. I've made do with a greased garage floor. (I weighed 125 lb then)
Kinda fortunate it wasn’t this truck you were working on when it accidentally went into drive. Great job as always.
My father in law is, I believe the world's oldest active tire guy. He's going to retire in January. He's 78 and just this year he gave up being the road service guy he still does the in house truck tires. If he didn't need both knees and a shoulder replacement he wouldn't retire. Tough old guy
19:25 Nah, we all know in Andrew’s world “it broke for no reason!” 🤣
This guy's got It going on look at all the repair bill he just saved himself Nice job
Ya got the tires off, on and holding air. That's all that matters. Great video Wes. Thank you for sharing with us.
Love seeing these new toys when you get such a problem
Good job Wes my experience on inner wheel crack is overload. Once they crack they flex and you get what you have. I ran into this issue on refuse trucks like you had. Think as you said to much yardage for light truck.
God bless you sir for working on garbage trucks. Garbage trucks are the one thing I refuse to work on.
I moved out of IL 10 years ago, I don’t miss the two seasons. Winter and construction. Worst part was the roads never got better. From one Wes to another thanks as always for the great content. Cheers
That sounds like our seasons in Maine.
Any video that starts with "At least it's empty" has got me hooked!
Your ability to work on almost anything is extremely impressive
Definitely a interesting video Wes! Those new white rims sure are a contrast to the rest of the truck! Trash trucks have a very tough life with all the constant starting, stopping, and rough roads, any wonder they hold up as long as they do.
Curbs as well in the city, often some entrances into parking lots and yards are not designed to be easily used by trucks and the guys just want to get the work done and go home, so inevitably they jump a few curbs here and there
And overloading. That truck probably only has enough gvwr for a couple ton of trash.
@@scotcoon1186 I agree! Probably a combination of overloading and bad roads fatigued the rim to failure.
Nice Job. Damm,, when I saw that can of Bostik in your hands it brought back many old memories. I am from South Africa and Bostik was founded in South Africa and is one of our oldest companies. The original factory is still in Krugersdorp, South Africa. The founder of this company had so much faith in his products decades ago, that he took an old thick steel cable and cut in half. He then used his patented Bostik super glue and glued the two ends of this steel cable together. He then proceed to suspend an old 30 ton bulldozer from this cable, where it is still hanging from this fixed cable. If remember correctly the name of this glue is called steel bond. 👍👍
👍👌👏 Very well done again and as always (video and work). I bet that you are right, Sir. The massive overhanging weight cries for a second rear axle.
Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health to all of you.
Chru- Did it look like it got hot to you? Was wondering if the crack was caused by rapid extreme temperature change or solely caused by weight/ impact from the road. Cheers!
A garbage truck actually used to collect garbage. Remarkable!
Wes, now you have wheels for a fire pit. That's certainly a strange one on the broken wheel. I had an old Scout that was in for inspection, and on the way home from work the following day, my wheel passed me on the highway. They claimed that the loose wheel wasn't their fault. I actually put it in 4 wheel drive to pull it off the road, and the next day got another drum at the junkyard, and put it back together again.i never had that problem before with drums, but I didn't go back to that inspection shop anymore. I just didn't trust them.
Ever watch Letos Law. In MI, a customer had his tires rotated, and they didn’t tighten the lugs. Wheel fell off and major injuries occurred. Customer tried to sue. The Michigan Supreme Court ruled that the fact they started the job, constitutes completion of the job. The customer received nothing from the courts, since the dealer was not found at fault.
It's always a pleasure hanging out with Wes..tks.
First glad to see you're in good health.
Second it seems like you're in repeat customer territory with the worst possible vehicles.
Why can't the people with nice clean vehicles have a simple problem that will repeat customers.
I don't think that's how it works.
Unfortunately, the nice, clean, easy jobs don't bring much money, even if they're a repeat customer, so ya gotta do what ya gotta do, and often that means hard work, or the hard jobs no one else wants to do🤣👍
Can we say how much we love the time-lapse bolt removals/installations? Wheels, valve covers, sparkelators, etc. So good! 👍
Not today Satan 😂
I’m kind of surprised you didn’t take off the wheels from the other side just to inspect them and make sure the same thing isn’t happening on the other side. I doubt it would be. But it would put my mind at rest to have a look.
Good comment. Would have been a good idea.
Depends what the customer is willing to pay for I guess
While changing that tire you struck the same note as in Shostakovich's tenth symphony when the viola's fade into a crescendo and the bell rings twice. Kudos! Kudos!😉
Although I enjoy the diagnostic videos, especially the complicated ones, there is something innately satisfying to see heavy mechanical work being done. As long as it is being done by somebody else.
It happens all the time on those things. Stress, rust, heat cycles, wrong torque, didn't clean the drum, and rim face with let the rust break free and like I said the thickness of a business card will start the wobble and cracking and cascades from there. Glad to see you and the pup are doing well and hope that you have a great thanks giving.
Easy to see why so many retired mechanics have hand issues. Great work as always. Hopefully you're the rest of the way recovered from C19.
That was a cool break, curiouser and curiouser.
I was secretly hoping for the old "ignite the spray of WE40" trick to set the tire beads! Then Wes does it right, of course! Great video!
I find that ether (starting fluid) works the best and I don't think WD40 (is that what you meant?) has the volatility to work, at all. And who's to say what is right? The ether trick can really save your bacon if you're miles away from civilization or a workshop.
We had that exact thing happen on a Mack water truck. They changed the tires, and completely over torqued the nuts using a 1” impact. Ours cracked more to the outside of the stud holes, but the whole thing cracked off, and the tire proceeded to remove the airbag and some lines.
Come on man all those new parts!? Those boys in Pakistan would fix that with a lathe and stick welder😂
My farther bought me a set of Thorsen tools in about 1968, I've never broken or worn any of the out.
Nice vid Wes.
You know what they say about working under a garbage truck, "Keep your mouth closed".
He should put new brakes on that truck on both sides And you change the fluid in Axle Used to work on trucks that's just my opinion
I've always hated working on the garbage trucks first thing in the morning, that smell stays with you all day long. It makes for a bad day to eat lunch and having to smell that smell 😂😂
25 year tractor trailer mechanic. I've seen a lot of this in the last 10 years mainly from Chinese drum mfg . The drum # will cross reference correctly, it will fit and work for a little while but ends up busting the rims and sometimes the drums . The hub pilot drums won't have the tiny chamfer close to the center but it looks like it fits but it doesn't so when it's put back together the rims and drums get bent towards the hub without the center moving at all .. 1/16 to 1/8 is all it takes. Steel wheels break before alluminum wheels oddly. It's crazy how small it if most mechanics won't catch it
My OCD would never allow those rocks to remain in the treads 🤣