"Coffee Badging" - THE NEXT DUMB Corporate Buzzword
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In this video, we're tearing apart the latest buzz in the corporate world: Coffee Badging. Yep, it's what it sounds like - employees clock in, grab a coffee, and bolt. But is it a clever workaround or just another symptom of broken workplace cultures? 🏢🏃♂️
👀 We dive into the bizarre world of hybrid work models. Remember when remote work was the new norm? Now, companies are dragging everyone back to the office, at least for a coffee. 🖥️🔄🏢
🧐 We'll break down what this means for the traditional 9-5 grind, and whether CEOs are out of touch with their teams. Are they pushing for productivity or just presence? 🤨🕒
🔒 Plus, a shoutout to Aura for sponsoring and keeping our online lives secure. Perfect for those who are stuck with the new "show up, sip, and split" routine. 🛡️🌐
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Kinda interesting how you pick a report of Fox necessarily and not other news channels, says something about you Josh
What the hell are you actually talking about bro?@@HassanSanem
@@HassanSanemhuh?😂
I'll show whatever news channel is showing dumb corporate buzzwords, there were a few other news channels but they didn't have any quality content - atleast not this time. @@HassanSanem
ah okay Josh, got it. Keep up the good content@@JoshuaFluke1
You know what your managers are afraid of? If there is no one to manage, because everyone is working from home, then why does the company need so many levels of management?
We dont!
@@DigitalNomad88 Exactly!
Gotta have higher paying spots for their buddies!
It's insane how bloated most corporations are.
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My PM once told me that being a manager isn't about telling people what to do but rather making sure they have everything they need to get their job done. Wish more people thought like that.
That is a sign of a great manager.
Yes!! That’s exactly what management is supposed to be.
Exactly why I want to be a manager. I have an objective mindset and as a current employee who constantly get pissed off because my manager doesn’t get me what I need or hold employees accountable. If you give your employees what they need and are transparent with them and communicate, everyone can work well together
That's what Management is *supposed* to be like, but often times they just end up power-tripping and micromanaging everyone without doing any actual work.
yeah, but there's a stark diff beteween a PM and just a manager. PM actually has to understand his domain and know the project inside out. a manager is just a corporate cog.
So sick of workplaces treating grown adults like naughty children who need to be micromanaged and "kept in line." 🙄
I deadass look for another job on company time. Daily. They don't pay me enough to pay attention
I hate all the corpo stuff, but honestly some adults really behave like children in the workplace. My current workplace used to be a lot better until a large number of people started taking advantage and slacking off, needless to say, the lenient rules of the company have changed. Treating your employees nicely only works when you have less than 20 and everyone feels involved directly in the success of everyone, otherwise some idiots WILL appear for sure when you employ 2000 people and some of them will ruin it for everyone.
Most employees do behave like children tho
I totally agree, so long as those grown adults are productive, but it is amazing how many "grown adults" still act like naughty children and still need constant supervision. If management actually showed enough interest in their employees to notice which is which and act accordingly that would be great.
@@thelordoftime803 and is treating everyone on a case by case basis an unknown concept? Fuck that, why does the rest have to suffer the consequences of a few individuals? Restrict the individuals that abused the leniency, not everyone ffs.
You can be sure Blackstone, the largest commercial real estate vampire on the planet, is pushing the "get back to the office" narrative HARD.
Blackrock ?
Saying this for years and all I get is eyerolls in real life. This isn't exactly tin foil conspiracy.
Or companies that have long leases or own buildings want to get their 'moneys' worth.
@@flux6472that's their problem.
@@wacabby Manhattan-based investment giant Blackstone (BX) knows a thing or two about the benefits of size. As of the end of the first quarter of 2021, the company had $196.3 billion in real estate assets under management.
they switched from "wanting meaningful, organic conversations" to "butts in chairs" really fkin quick.
It's as if when corporate opens mouth, he/she always lies
Love that
you mean like a picky woman going for a date while she sleep around and become single mom. pretty much.
@@pehclark7256Sorry about your ex
@@ippos_khloros6163 The idea that you think someone mocking a single mother is a bad thing tells us a lot about the type of person that you are. Tell your mom I said _hi._
The only thing your boss should be concerned about is your level of output and quality.
Yeah, but it requires work, coordination, professionalism, competence, degree of sincerity - it is much easier to strut around with a big ego…- empty suits!
To be a good boss you have to have triple digit IQ not double digit but inteligent people are the minority in the world so most of the time they are not becoming bosses because stupid people rule and pick their stupid friends for positions with power.
I think it's even simpler than that. The only things your boss needs to worry about are
1. Are you making money for the company?
2. Are you getting along with coworkers and customers?
3. Are you following laws, professional best practices, etc.
they also need to advocate for the employees who provide that to be fairly compensated for doing so, but the problem with that is any employees who do not will scream discrimination if they don't get treated equally.
@@chrismash6265 Going to go ahead and disagree with you there. Employers are under no obligation to advocate for their employees, that's the role of a union.
My last employer spent over 100 million on building a new office complex in a major metro area. It opened just prior to the pandemic. Their plan was to sublease some of the office space. The pandemic hit and the building sat empty. Fast forward 2 years later, and Management orders everyone back to the office. Problem was that many employees pushed back and quit.
The company is losing enough money that they have had 3 rounds of layoffs and sold off several other office buildings they own.
And you need management with degrees for that level of mismanagement. Imagine if they had simply leased an existing building and had it remodeled to whatever needs they had? When the lease was up, they could reassess their work requirements and terminate the lease or renegotiate a better rate when the markets changed. These idiots wanted to play landlord and manage a company at the same time. Can't imagine why that scenario didn't work out very well.
A lot of retail companies lease buildings because their focus is on products and sales, not property management. It may seem more costly in the short term but it prevents a lot of the mistakes and ongoing maintenance issues by letting dedicated people handle it.
Yall gonna be rushing back to the office when can't cind a job
In my home country, my office had a kitchen, private toilet and for some top guns a balcony with closed doors.
Lowly employees had closed doors.
In the 🇺🇸, they force you in cubicles and open layouts, and I HATE it
@@Immigrationsituation Your hilarious. There aren't any jobs to rush back to in the first place. The good jobs simply don't exist. Everyone is just hopping between entry level jobs at a dollar more an hour every few months because companies can't be bothered to train and promote you while the dollar becomes exponentially less valuable over time.
It's going to get to the point where the responsible thing to do is simply leave the country and find work where the money has value and the companies care.
well its just like mcdonalds or subway their revenue and gp margin come from real estate not food
Managers can't abuse their power when the employees are at home
You mad bro?
@@SerzanAysu
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they can't abuse their employees, period. and employees can't abuse each other. and since it's essentially public school (or in some cases, prison) with a slight change of clothes, they want that control, so the cycles of abuse can continue. physical, and psychological.
That's a daft and inaccurate statement. Not that I advertise working at home or in the office; to each their own... but your management can make your employment a pain no matter where you are. And in those cases you shouldn't ask yourself about working location but rather who you work for
@@SerzanAysu grow up.
It's not even just being in the office. It's the shitty traffic you have to sit in for an hour EACH frkn way to get there, just to have all your meetings on video anyway.
Yup you now get to do what you do from home but now you're on zoom, teams, slack, blujeans, webex virtual meetings but from the office! Make it make sense!!! It's insane!!!
@@DigitalNomad88 The last time I worked in an office, we’d chat on Slack, even if the person was sitting a few feet away! 😂😂😂
Man, I work six miles from home. It's great. One of my friends was like "You know if you want to make more money you'll have to commute to Atlanta"
Then I won't make more money. I'd be in the car probably three hours a day. If I leave work at 5:00, I'm home by 5:15. That's worth plenty to me.
THIS!!! I lose 2 hours of MY time each day (because I'm not getting paid for those hours) to commute to the office and sit on Teams meetings. My pay has actually gone down because I can't work as many hours as I could when fully remote (I'm hourly).
“Try to enjoy the socialization” that’s the most dystopian quote I’ve heard in a while.
Ken always compares workers to his kids. WE ARE NOT THEIR CHILDREN!
Yeah dude Ken is stuck in a horrible mindset. It is the one that works for the status quo unfortunately.
It's the "ownership" mentality employers have over their children and workers.
It's not about business, it's about erasing your identity and making you part of the "family."
We are also not their family
Because Ken bought stock in the "We are family" and drank the corporate Kool-Aid.
Many adults at work act like it.
I’ve been remote for 13 years but now I’m supposed to come in 3 times a week if not traveling for work. My job is consulting at customer sites not schmoozing at the office and bringing cupcakes. I do coffee badge and use the on-site gym in the process😂
So your job became more restrictive after COVID? I am noticing this too for some firms.
@@TSidez yeah now they’re trying to justify having a building because they spent millions on a new parking deck. I’m classified as a Mobile employee which means I could live anywhere, yet since I have a home in the same city as my corporate office, if I’m in town I’m supposed to go in and swipe..
@@TSidez Not only that but making *outside sales* and service techs come in.
Tell them you moved.
You poor thing. Imagine being required to work in person with other people.
After they repeated like parrots that working from home was the new normal, now they want to return to the office.
Stay safe! 😆🤦🏼♂️
Support the current thing
@@michaeldalton8374 I effing hate hearing that, especially nowadays! 😷😷😷🤮🤮🤮
@@Maki-00😂😂😂we're in this together😂😂😂
Wow, I absolutely hate it when manager's compare Parenting to leadership in business. No faster way to royally piss off every single person who works for you.
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Kids also do a lot better with autonomy. Those managers are probably shitty parents too.
Oh, so you're a rotten parent too? Who woulda thunk it?
Look up the 'Pareto' principle.
Unfortunately, lower level managing is pretty much parenting, a lot of the time.
@@dudleyhaines9826 I will look it up. It’s always been clear to me that I have personally been treated this way as a result of my lack of interest in promotions.
If you’re the bottom of the ladder we’ll keep treating you like a child. Show some initiative and maybe we’ll stop.
Not everyone gets promoted and not everyone should get promoted.
I tend to lean towards, the behavior stops or I will be transferring to a different area. I’d say I can be convinced towards positivity but am far too stubborn to yield to that sort of childish goading.
I bet those HR buzzwords were cooked up during a coffee break gossip session instead of actual work!
A room full of micro managers scratching their heads about what they're gonna call this new trend and feeling good about them but it's just not real work and all bs corporate fugazi.
naw, you can be sure actual work time was wasted on this.
@@ivoivic2448 yeah and their employer thought it was one of the most useful things they did on company time. Inventing new buzzwords that gain traction is the HR-equivalent of going viral.
HR is the least productive, cancer on a company.
Coffee badging is basically what every CEO does at work
You don't actually personally know any CEOs, do you???
CEOs don't actually work and they never have@@countryjoe3551
@@countryjoe3551They work away from the office mostly. Its easily provable.
Most CEO's work 18 hours a day 7 days a week... that's the ONLY way you get to be a CEO.
Don’t know about CEOs but it is what higher management has done. At my other job the GM basically never existed. In my years working there, never met the dude. As far as what lower management said about him his interview was basically him bragging about businesses he owned and property. He played them for a six figure check.
What’s with these people wanting you to be “social”? Then at review time, the manager writes you up for not working enough and talking too much. As long as the work is getting done, leave me alone.
They know, it's part of the design
Because work is about power and control, not actual work.
I work in customer service in an entertainment industry where we are constantly grilled and trained to engage with customers. Yet if we stop for more than a minute to chat and build rapport they get upset that we are chatting and get written up. I swear all of these managers and suits have zero idea how to do anything because they keep heaping more and more corporate BS onto us expecting things to improve yet it gets worse. They are narcissists who cannot comprehend the idea that they are the problem.
But that's just it, people aren't getting the work done. Managers (just like most people) usually try to take the least confrontational path. Instead of going to individuals and being direct with them about bad work performance, they're making everyone come into the office in hopes that it will encourage the workers to get more done.
@@dafightinfish2747 Found the manager!
The only reason why they want people to work in the office is because their real estate prices are losing value or they cant get out of their office lease
But if they can’t get out of the lease, what’s the point of demanding people come in?
They lose the money either way.
Better to sublet.
The problem is that this doesn't avoid the commute, which is the primary reason for wanting to work from home. If I'm already at the office then I don't want to have another commute right away ... unless the office is so bad that I just can't stand the place, which is more common these days with those stupid open-office arrangements.
Yeah you can avoid traffic
If you leave right away you avoid the rush hour traffic back.
@@Zanduras1 There's also the expense of fuel and the wasted time. Instead of having to get up earlier or come home later then if I was working from home. I don't get paid to commute and so that's at my expense. I'm all for keeping my expenses at a minimum and preserving my time. Traffic is only one layer of the problem.
Get another job.
Me too! A lot of my coworkers "coffee badge" but I'm like, I just got here, I want to avoid sitting in traffic again for at least a few hours
Josh is staring into the Linkedin abyss too much. Deserves hazard pay.
i can't comprehend the level of fake virtuosity to read and write linkedin articles unironically.
He should be provided eye protection and ear protection too, from all the stupid shit he sees and hears.
All this anti remote work going around hurts me since I'm disabled and employers try to be slick while getting around the ADA. I hate it.
How are they trying to be slick?
Mention "reasonable accommodation" and hire a lawyer.
You have good grounds for the right to work from home.
@@se2664 It's a very basic con. They have a disabled employee, don't want to make accommodations anymore, so they claim the employee is going against orders to come back into the office like everyone else and fire the employee. Despite the fact that the employee has a good reason to want to stay home since disabilities often make commuting and getting into buildings harder, the company can argue that they have made enough accommodations by having ADA required accessibility for the building like ramps and handicapped parking spaces. The law has not caught up with remote work yet. It also doubles as a way to keep others in line by showing that the company is untouchable enough to fire a disabled person and get away with it. :/
I’m an employer, and a disabled employee is a liability, not an asset. 🤣 everyone thinks they are important
I'm working under a corp to corp contract remotely. The company wants employees to work 2 days from the office. The office is a massive sea of cubes. Meetings are difficult when people on the meeting are in the corporate cube farm .. the noise level is terrible. You can hear 5 conversations going on, because everyone is in meetings. People try to go to the conference rooms for some quiet, but they are always booked. It's not productive to do work in a noise-filled environment.
These cube farms you don't have a permanent space, you maybe get a locker to put some stuff in. ... and the management wonders why people want to work from home? I liken it to being corporate cattle.
My home office I have a big desk, big windows looking out on woods and a year-round creek. Peace and quiet. I take breaks and step out into nature, then go back to work.
I'm very productive.
It is so telling that Ken uses the analogy of him and his children to compare you and your boss. That's so condescending. We are not children. We won't need our manager to be mommy and daddy. You can't relate how you deal with your children like it is relevant to adults in a work environment.
That dude can’t help it, he is always doubling down… and he loves the sound of his own voice, even more so when throwing condescending speeches, you can see him patting himself on the back with every word he pronounces
It’s either this or he compares the employee/employer relationship to dating as if we’re in a romantic relationship with our employer.
@@PaulH581That’s like a r@p!§t calling his victim his girlfriend 😂
He also sounds like a pretty terrible father and husband if that's how he treats them
He also has a stupid haircut.
Controlling parents usually see their children as property, not people. Ken's parallel with controlling his kids really exposes how he feels about workers.
And his wife....
100%
Dont know what all the grief is about, I get all my best work done in the office. You know, when I'm sleep deprived, stressed from the commuter traffic, surrounded by distracting colleagues, irritated by the lighting and heating levels, and pulled away from my desk every other day for fire drills, team meetings and department networking events.
Peak productivity in the office.
/s
No no don't you know your problem is your adhd, you just need to work on yourself and learn how to focus and better manage your time 😂
Get another job.
nailed it
Love the sarcasm lol
You forgot having to manage your workflow to LOOK most productive rather than BE most productive.
I got in trouble at work once for using some down-time to fill-in with some work on another project. The project manager for the project on which I was assigned walked by, saw another project on my computer screen, and said something to my boss about me not being on-task when I was literally sitting on my hands waiting for results from someone else before I could do anything for the project on which I was assigned.
Imagine the time wasted just to commute to the office to show face and then go home. These companies just don’t want people to have any time that isn’t involved with the company but they don’t want to pay them for that extra time either.
Which leads to the line of thinking : what if (almost) all jobs are bullshit? No wonder offices look like adult daycares, isn't it on purpose? You don't have time to think for yourself, to connect with others, to rally (union) by a similar belief which would be incompatible with the status quo of big businesses in this economy?
I have changed my tactic. I require them to pay more for me to come to the office, not less to work from home.
If Ken treats people the way he says he does... I feel bad for the people around him.
And his kids
Ok but coffee badging was like at least 50% of what I actually did while working in the office anyway. Like 50% of my time was getting the free coffee and catching up with coworkers. How else are you supposed to get through 8 hours in a cube? 😂
Sounds like typical female behaviour in the workplace.
I mean, way to lean into the stereotype, I guess.
That’s the part that the antiquated management doesn’t get. Evidence consistently proves that remote workers are MORE productive and work MORE hours per day than the office workers. Not counting lunch breaks, office workers spend MORE time on non-essential socializing, and LESS time on work tasks since they want to get out of the office as quickly as possible.
My neighbors are young tech professionals who are all mad now that they have to go into the office to actually perform some work. Because the other days they are at home hardly working; going to the gym, out doing yoga, or goofing off at the corner coffee shop. I wished I could have got paid for doing nothing.
Not everyone who works from home is like that. My roommate is, so I hear what you are saying, but while he perfects his stretch on the couch and watches tv all day, I bust my buns working for 11 hours straight. Trust me, those people annoy remote workers too because it gives the rest of us a bad name. Such is life.
This is why I love the Internet. Now that we are able to share info with each other like pay, bad practices, harassment, how her tricks people into trusting them. I haven’t whored myself to a time clock in over 15 years, and NOBODY can tell me anything about folks “cheating the system”. These companies know damned well they are sucking the life force from employees, yet they expect high levels of engagement as well as some stupid blind loyalty which will NEVER be reciprocated in any way…ever. I will enjoy watching the power start to change hands. You can tell they are flailing because they keep throwing out these lame ass buzzwords created to somehow “shame” people back to work. They try to threaten us with economy to scare us back to those hellholes. They may not have noticed it isn’t working. It’s only annoying us more and inspiring more people to invest in themselves and let these pigs do their own labor. Thank you, Internet!🧘🏾♀️
preach!
Comparing actual working adults to his teen child is batshit crazy. This person needs a reality check.
Wow, that guy is comparing work to a family and he says his parenting style is 'cause I said so'. Yeah his kids would leave as soon as they can and not have a relationship afterwards. And I think micro managers do that to their workers cause they are trying to game their boss more then their workers.
I was diagnosed with leukemia and my office is trying to return to work 3 days a week. I have to nap on my lunch and fit in food where I can. Luckily my manager understands my situation and is working with me but he warned me that he would need documentation to allow me to stay home. I have to prove I have cancer to some hr person to wiggle out of this nonsense.
in my opinion, working remotely has higher expectations compared to actually going to work. if i go in, i can fake doing work by just being around the place. however, if i work remotely, i feel pressure to have show that i've actually done work.
Managers and school principals have been doing this for years. I had a boss that came in at 8 and by 10, he was on the golf course. When the company started doing bad, we got blamed for not putting in enough hours. He spent more time on the golf course.
Yep! I worked in a company just like this. While we waited for his final sign off on designs/printer deadlines, he was attending a baseball game, leaving the building with a tennis racquet in hand, MIA, or the best activity - sweeping the floors! Meanwhile, we can’t move forward with work. This was the owners son, so 😂. Everyone else would get blamed or laid off when things didn’t go well, except him. Finally he was pushed out, for an even worse alternative. Oh well!
Executives and managers talk about automating a job away, while their job is even easier to automate than the vast majority of their bottom lines.
Mate, they can talk about it, but it won't work - because to automate something you need to set clear expectations, define what is to be automated down to the exact essence of what needs to be done. They will always need to pay someone to make it happen. But if they were automated.. you know what, I think an AI boss would be better than 90% of bosses out there.
A tape with "is it done?" would be enough to replace most of them
I could nail a project in a few hours in the quiet comfort of my home (where my bidet and snacks are) or I can go into an office where people won't stfu and someone paid more than me who apparently does nothing keeps interrupting me to ask me to do things I'm already doing. It's a no-brainer.
Ken never ceases to amaze me at how profoundly out of touch he is with the real world.
he tries to mimic dave.
His children will love him for their inheritance.
I honestly don't know what world he lives in. The oldest millennial is in his early 40s now. He's talking as if this is still 2010.
The entire Ramsey cult is out of touch with reality. The only one that had an once of brains over there was Chris Hogan, but they fired his ass.
@@Cree_Moneyyeah but his grandchildren won’t know what he looks like.
I can think and focus a lot better when no one can see me or no one is looking at me. For example I can stand up and put my hands on my butt while walking slowly in circles trying to analyze the problem and coming up with a solution.
My company sent out emails to people who didn’t get enough badge scans. My manager went over it and they said they’re not accounting for the fact that you may be on vacation, had a few sick days, had to go to a different building, etc. It ends up being pointless in the end. How are you going to threaten people, when your process is extremely faulty? I do not feel guilty when I “coffee badge”. I always get my work done. I do not want to come in for a full day when barely any of my coworkers are there and when my manager is not there. Hell, I’ve even seen him leave early sometimes.
I've incorporated the - Why Work Wednesdays - approach into my work schedule, and it's everything I thought it could be!
A huge reason I left my old company was that they forced return to work and it would mean adding a 3 hour daily commute back to my routine. My quality of sleep and quality of health generally shot up when my commute was removed and it also saved me a good chunk of coin.
I told them that I was leaving but that I would stay for a bit while they prepared my replacement, as I genuinely liked my manager.
But they tried to enforce me going into an office even though I had said that was why I was leaving. Granted, they provided a closer office to go into- but there entire reason for me going in was to be with coworkers and undistracted in my environment YET that office kept the remote from home policy and no one was ever there.
So they moved me to a more inefficient set up, to sit in a cubicle alone with no one watching over me- just because it filled an arbitrary check box.
I stopped going in and just remoted in from my house and they never saw a difference. Did that till my last day.
My company grew tremendously and we are full remote 😆. You just need good system and good culture, not a crazy micromanagement like this.
Same here. You don't need people in cubes to get shit done.
Probably saves the company a fortune in not leasing office space.
the funny thing about coffee badging is that, if the owners/managers were AT WORK they would be able to catch coffee badgers. they arent ever there but expect their employees to be.
This so much! This wouldnt be a thing if managers were there! We have to go in 1 day at the mo and goes up to 2 days in Jan, can't get away from it cos our managers are also in the office. Me personally 1 day a week is plenty, plenty to network, train people, socialise...I don't get as much actual work done but its still related.
I moved to a rural job where they don't even have the tech for badges. Feels good man
The true fear of management is that they’re superfluous, and that employees working and being productive at home will shine a light on that. Management can’t feel like they’ve added value if they can’t stand over employees and try to intimidate them.
I was hired remote and then they started to force us to come in for a full shift one week out of the month. The commute, the icy roads, and the traffic were annoying af. I lived pretty for away from the office too ( didn't matter when I onboarded since I was told it was fully remote position!!).
I know they're planning to transition to full-time in office....so I quit lol.
Gonna start another job from home next week😊
I've worked as a mechanic for a very long time before I got an office job when I got my engineering degree, and I will tell you first hand you do not need to be in an office to do your work. I felt obligated to be there so I wouldn't get fired half of the time but I could've easily worked from home.
I worked as a IT guy for a while and got sick of it. Now I’m a technician working on specialized equipment and life is good. I will never work another office job again. My plans are to build a online business in my free time. Once that runs itself to the point where I can stop working, I’ll be set for life. “The man that works all day has no time to make money.”
I don't know why they want employees in the office if their job is being done well from their home
Power and control...narcissism
I've actually been doing something like this at work. They specified we need to be only in person now and got denied after asking to WFH, but manager hasn't enforced that even once. He is never even around. It's not a job where it's important for me to be in-person at all, either. So I just started staying home. I think it's important to learn what you can get away with and do it, because orgs are full of nonsensical rules like this that will only make your workplace crappier than it has to be, and only a blind sheep if you do decide to do them.
Agreed you gotta test the limits of what you can get away with and advocate for yourself. No one else will. Going along blindly with instructions is only doing yourself a disservice.
Last time I was in the office someone was having a 'deep and meaningful' conversation about what they like on their burgers. This conversation was so loud that stakeholders were able to clearly hear this conversation over the phone. Of course this conversation was conducted by a team leader. When my team leader asked when I would be coming back to the office next, I stated I wouldn't as the office has now become a daycare centre. Guess who's looking for a new job.
If Ken has an issue with it, it's guaranteed to be a good thing.
Apparently, the braindead corporate world still hasn't figured out that not everyone has the exact same social butterfly personality.
Oh and as for that Ken guy, he's pretty much telling on himself for being a massive control freak. I doubt he'll still be very close to his kids once they're old enough to move out and have their own lives.
Companies: You have to be in the office
Employees: Will you notice if I'm not there
Companies: No
Employees: I won't go/I'll go back home after a bit
Companies: Wait, that's not allowed
Employees: Why?
Companies: tHe CuLTuRe
Work email this morning from ceo about happy thanksgiving and this is the time of giving. Are we getting a raise, bonus, or even be allowed to leave work early….. No they are matching donations to a charity of our choice. So they are getting a write off from their donation and can say they gave so much to charity when they only covered half.
Yup. And they think we don't know it.
I love how this guy completely absolves leadership's role in this whole thing and blames it all on the workers. He's as big of a cowardly bootlicker as I've ever seen.
Comparing his employees to his children was so asinine.
Just wait... He is just another one of those guys that gets divorced, none of their families reach out to them, and blame it all on everyone else.
That is because he thinks HE himself is part of the leadership.🤣🤣🤣
It all comes from Plato. Plato thought the elites were our betters and the rest of us are just incompetent rabble who needs to be managed like children.
It's thanks to a lot of dumb self-help management workshop nonsense that's about positivity and being the best that you can be. They spin this around that any complaints or unhappiness as negativity and when you criticize the leadership they turn it back to you. They expect you go to over and beyond so you try and find out you did get a high rating but zero pay hike since the company was not doing well that fiscal year and no guarantee my performance will matter for next year.
When it was all the rage in the 2010s it kind of split our people into who will be the bootlickers and who smelled the BS and wanted none of it.
Never heard that term before but as an employee who prefers to go into the office, I’d love it if the “coffee badgers” are given the opportunity to work from home because they are a distraction. As an introvert, I already don’t want to expend my energy on useless conversations, and I don’t want to have my work interrupted by these people. I don’t care if they’re working while they’re at home but when they’re not in the office, the people who want to be in the office are happier.
How work was supposed to be: I do labor, you pay me. Everything else in between is meaningless.
But if you're in an office, or working from home, you're not doing any "labor"....
@@swervsplatt9672 Found the CEO 🤡
@@swervsplatt9672 explain
@@swervsplatt9672 And most management are larping as "leaders".
You pretend to pay us, we'll pretend to work.
There's three things corporations hate: Government regulations, people getting stuff for free, and the working class.
*government regulations that affect them
Fixed that for ya. They don't mind government establishing or enforcing their monopolies
Vacation time, being forced to actually PAY employees, having to do actual work, not getting the tee time they wanted…
There are all kinds of things they don’t like.
Government is their friend, not yours.
*people other than them getting stuff for free
There are two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch.
i assumed this would be about the endless amount of youtubers selling their own coffee brand. but no it's about non working. real work can't be done in an office.
Real work can't be done in the office?
Make no mistake. It is not ambiguous at all. It is about control. Companies that need you to be as efficient as possible to survive will not make you waste 2 hours getting into the office and back so you can spend 8 hours there doing 2.5 hours of actual work.
You arent on the clock for commute. If commute counted as working hours, they would want people to go remote again.
@@nz-gz5jn Which is wierd considering if I go into the office I work for 2.5 hours and then make coffees, get lunch, go for a shit, get a water, talk to colleagues. Just faff about all day. At home there are distractions, just different ones. It's a complete misunderstanding of the goal of employment. The work generated must contribute more than it costs in labor or you have a failing business model.
@@nz-gz5jn Exactly. If employers were responsible for paying for employees' commutes, employers would've been pushing for telecommuting to become the standard, as early as the 90's when it first became possible. It's easy to want employees to work in the office when unseen expense of the commute is passed onto the employee.
Really weird and manipulative that Ken keeps trying to make a work relationship between two adults seem like a parental relationship between adult and child.
Goes to show how much cutting corners has gotten out of hand that companies can't even tell if their employees are even there or not.
Remember, 90+% of the time, RTO is just smoke screen to reduce expenses from laying workers off.
Yep my current company is doing this
Well i's quite a stupid way to get rid of people, because you aren't controlling who leaves or who stays. Generally doing such policies the most skilled and talented leave first as they know they can get jobs elsewhere quickly. You don't want this as these are the people that keep your org running. Quick way to go bankrupt.
@@kazykamakaze131 The strategy is that enough people won't follow the RTO that they were planning on firing anyways. This allows them to pay less or no severance for that set of individuals. Basically, you need to gauge how truly valuable you are to the company.
My wife works in a quite large company that recently had a senior leadership meeting where they talked about sending another wave of folks back to the office. This includes people that were hired as remote employees before the pandemic, and those who are on 100% remote teams. Every single executive cheerleading the plan was... you guessed it, remote. This wasn't lost on the managers in the call who have to push this mandate on their employees. What a joke.
I assume this is USA and if they don't comply they will get fired.
In my country if you got hired as remote you are not allowed to work in the office even if you want to.
For that they need to make a hybrid contract.
Also, they would not be able to fire you even if they mandated you to come in as they need a valid performance reason to fire you.
From what i have seen, most times, employment at will sucks :(
I get significantly more work done at a higher level of accuracy due to the ability to avoid all the random BS and interruptions at the office from other coworkers 😅
I have just moved back in-office because I needed to and the ONLY OTHER PERSON IN THE BUILDING WITH ME won't hush the hell up. I've had enough. We talk on the phone for a living why the hell am I talking to him too? I don't care about what you read on MSN, Stinky.
nah I'm against this. I'm essentially fully remote but have decided I will be scaling my productivity back. our management have sold remote to the C-suite as more productivity. that's true but more work and efficiency gets you more work. I'll do remote, but it aint for their metrics.
@@creepersonspeed5490depends how they track it. If they're literally watching times super closely, checking file creation/edit times and other weird shit, hell yea just take it easy and do your thing. If they just have get X done and don't watch the clock, smash that shit out in a few hours, take the rest of the day off paid.
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I'm the same, give me a list of things to do, point me in the right direction and let the autistic inertia build up. Don't disrupt it, cuz then it's gotta start over.
So true! There's always at least one co-worker that wants to interrupt you and your work to have some random conversation.
They are the ones that projected this scheme and blamed people for not staying at home. Now they blame people for staying at home. It's always your fault.
the way Ken suggests talking to micro managers is idiotic. as soon as you try to 'finesse' them, you realize they absolutely have no fking clue what they're talking about, and they're solely control freaks because they're full-blown imposters and have no clue wtf they're doing. only for them to steal your work, claim it as their own, and fire you anyway because you know what you're doing and they don't and therefore refuse to ever release even 1% of control or allow anyone confident around them.
Bruh if my boss calls me a "coffee badger" I'mma come to work dressed like a honey badger so when I leave 10 minutes later I can explain I'm *NOT* a coffee badger, I'm a honey badger, learn the difference.
I'm so tired of employers acting like employment isn't a business transaction. They hire us to do "x", if it doesnt require me to show up to get the work done properly, don't expect to see me because I'm not getting paid to travel to/from work.
This happened to me. I was told during my interview that I would have a month of on-site upgrades at facilities around the state. Once complete I would go remote full time. I work in IT. Now we have new management and they want everybody in their closest office. These offices don’t have space for us so I’m expected to sit in break rooms or in closets.
Work is an activity, not a location.
I currently have a great relationship with my colleagues because my interactions with them are kept purely professional. I fear that if I have to go to an office and see them in person every single day I might start resenting them and our collaboration would suffer because of that. Familiarity breeds contempt, as they say.
Imagine how easy WFH will make it to start competitors to companies that don't like it.
I actually had a conversation with a big wig for a customers company and he was complaining about people not being in the office. I asked him, "What about the people who are more productive outside the office." He responded with who would ever be more productive outside the office. I replied "anyone who is constantly bombarded with questions while they have projects to complete, especially questions that are better suited to an email you can answer when you're project work is done." He went quite for a long time then started a whole new subject. It's like the programming stuck as an operating system on the older people in these companies. When you throw out logic on how it doesn't work they actually break, reset, and start another conversation to avoid it.
I love going to the office to spend 45 min driving one way through traffic, to sit at work while people are bothering me and distracting me, all for me to sit there for 8 hours not being able to listen to anything that helps me focus on my work. It’s my favorite 🙃
man, reminds me of good old days when I got so tired by the social noise and struggling to be productive by midday that I wouldn't have time for half the things I wanted to do then swore I'd finish some stuff up at home that never happened because it was so late and I was so tired by the time I got there I always felt I was chasing my own tail one week at a time.
Reminiscing those memories from my chair at home when I wake up at 6 and start at 6.15 to get in the zone and finish by noon then take a walk after a healthy lunch I prepared myself. :D :D
@@alexandersoltesz8103 yeah I’m wfh now and I can say I am much more productive here then at the office, and all of my coworkers pretty much agree
white collar is not even work
@@alexandersoltesz8103plus the office usually have “no cats” rules…
@@ronblack7870what is it then?
Many managers were taught a technique known as 'Management by Walking Around". The idea is that you can see your people and are available if they need help. What many managers do is check to make sure you are working.
My guess is that these managers are afraid of having to learn a new way to manage.
If they were leaders instead of managers, they would embrace this challenge, and find ways to make it work to the benefit of the entire team.
My partner started a job in late 2021 that was sold to him as fully remote. They're telling his team they need to work from the office now and people are quitting left and right.
What's it called when your VP, OPERATIONS manager and 2 other managers all go home after 2 hours of work and never get caught? This is what goes on at my place of work. They're all toxic af too
Bruh rules for thee....lol
Remote work has been my goal most of my adult life because I like doing my job and then that's it, not brown-nosing or getting to know my co-workers because IDGAF.
lol they REALLY are losing money on that commercial real estate. “Please stay all day, we need to make sure you’re buying things!”
No i just wanna get my work done and leave.
Everything in the corporate world is dumb
This just shows how useless these middle managers are, and how quickly their job is no longer required. People are perfectly capable of finishing work on their own time, without the need of an overpaid hall monitor constantly spying on them and barking pointless orders.
Ikr!! My previous boss would require me to attend meetings that had absolutely NOTHING to do with my job. So I would have to sit through an hour or more of complete " jibberish" just because he said so. ...Meanwhile putting me behind on my deadlines. When I mentioned it, he told me there was nothing he could do because I was part of the "team" and we all had to attend. Upper management didn't do anything about it either...just made me scramble to meet my deadlines...Narcissistic A$$HOLES
Finally! Finally a corporate trend I've been guilty of before the employers caught on! At my company you are flagged as being in office if you stay at least 3 hours, so my entire team will come in, get coffee/breakfast, chat a bit, then go home before lunch. My manager doesn't even care either, so long as we actually show up. Lmao
I've said it once and I'll say it again, if collaboration and face to face interactions were actually important companies wouldn't outsource their IT and make users call the helpdesk. Which by the way they've had no problems doing since the early 90s.
And this is the moment Gen X managers became the new out of touch Boomer bosses.
New boss, same as the old boss
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If ur parents told u👉as long as u live in their house u must follow their rules. Ya better tell them👉u brought me to this world without my permission or consent; so u r responsible for housing me & feeding me for free until I decide to leave🤏
True
@@duran9664which is legally true in most European countries
Totally stereotyping.. Gen X here with a control freak micro manager millennial who literally says she wants to be able to *see* her co workers, even us managers who aren't her direct reports, she abuses her role as senior management to try to control other departments even
I actually do the opposite - and I’m an introvert, that CANNOT STAND being at the office. It’s like f’ing Romper Room. I bring my personal work to work. I mean, I’ve already wasted my time getting myself together, commuting and spending money on gas. Even if I bring my lunch, going in is still a wasted expense. I also know that someone who is a sycophant may be looking for me and that MS Teams started an option where you can show whether you’re onsite/offsite. NO, I didn’t bite, but I don’t know that it will continue to require my permission. But, I do escape sometimes. Doctor appointments, work being done at my apartment, mental health days, car shopping days, where I can bring a laptop, without being disturbed by coworkers, jumping up and down like puppies. I have an early meeting coming up soon. After that meeting, I have an appointment at Quest. Soon, I will also have PT regularly scheduled.
For my personal situation right now, it’s simply that my job works for me, economically. I have the occasional peep at what’s going on in the market and, after I almost offed myself during the recession, I’m older and disinterested in switching poorly paying jobs every few seconds, working for someone who thinks they’re my boss, for few hours, low pay, and no benefits.
For some of us, although I agree that having to come in is stupid, controlling and a huge red flag of corporate narcissism, I think some of the anger comes from feeling abused (yes, there are abuses there) and some of it can be countered by using back.
Lastly, HR is not made up of psychologists. That whole “good for you to be collaborating”, is just an excuse to babysit extroverts, that can’t stay out of your face. An introvert, like myself, is strapped to this extrovert horse and hates every.damn.day of that garbage. For you extroverts out there, if some of your coworkers don’t seem open, embracing, and like they want to hug and sing kumbaya every.f’ing.day, it’s because you should leave them alone, because they don’t want to be bothered and NO, you are never.gonna.change.that.
I still work from home I was asked by my manager how I am able to maintain high productivity. I told her you brought people back for no good reason. Socializing and going on walks and gossiping and politics, A good hour or two spent on lunch decisions, I also don’t want to get me tooed. Anyway I had been showing up to my morning daily meeting ( another wasted time suck) then going home and working. So then she wanted me to come once a week now it’s once every two weeks. I guess I will take it. Lol
really shows how litlte they know about actual work
"Come in, I know it's an hour commute but we need everyone, we need you!"
Okay, here's my two weeks.
"Let's not get extreme now!"
Good, F- off. 😂
I don't know why they want employees to show up, They would literally save money letting employees work from home
Control and trust issues.
It's not about the employees saving money.
It was never about that.
It's also not about saving the company money by downsizing on commercial real estate...
It's always about them standing over shoulders and making sure to layer as much work as humanly possible to ensure they get their money's worth...
its how they're currently propping up commercial realestate.
@@chancepaladinbingo!
if the office is empty, then their rent is "wasted" money. tax returns for depreciation of office furniture, etc is a big think, and if everyone works from home, then again, this cost is not justified, etc. work from home affects the local shops, etc, public transportation, etc, everyone sees this as financial loss. then comes standing over the shoulder. as a result, the employee has to go the office
Workplaces were so enamored with remote work when it saved their hides during the pandemic, now all of a sudden it's "bad."
Companies that get a lot of "coffee badging" have asked for it. Not intentionally, nor in the sense of just desserts (though it may also apply) but by setting up the system that incentivizes the practice.
I guess C levels haven't really read Sun Tzu, or they would know that usually they themselves are at fault.
CEOs acting like everyone in their employ are children that they have to "parent" is more than just infantilizing. The "obey me or else" mentality especially among older generations is a horrible way to treat your children, much less full grown adults that are doing work for you.
And these CEOs wonder why they have a terrible relationship with their workers. "Why do my employees hate me?" We can keep the parenting analogy going and show that children who grew up in this "obey me or else" style household often have strained relationships with their parents. Typically there's an understanding of unconditional love between a child and their parent, and this strain overcomes that quick. There's no such love for an employer and so adopting this mentality keeps all of your employees hating you from the start.
I've tried working from home but didn't particularly like it, I like to keep my home and work separate, but I can see why others love it. Especially if you have a long commute or don't like your office environment.
Why does it matter as long as the work gets done? You meet the expectations or exceed your work output, does it matter where you are?
I'm a security guard, I can't "Coffee Badge," that being said, if you're job does not REQUIRE you to sit at a desk, watch monitors, and do patrols and BE at the office, I don't care that you come and leave. As long as the work get's done WHO CARES where you are when it get's finished. Many workers walk in, say hi to me sitting behind my desk, log into the terminal, and then say hi as they walk back out. They get their work done, so it shouldn't matter. If they weren't getting their work done, that's a different story. But In my boomer mind my idea is fire them and get someone who will get the work done. If you have to sit on a worker to get them to finish their job, then that's taking away from the work YOU could be doing, get a worker who you don't have to camp on. Results driven, results orientated.
These corporations get the employees they deserve. I have 0 sympathy for corporations. Because they will fire good employees to hire cheaper College grads to save a buck, then give the officers millions of dollars in bonuses. And sometimes it's the CEO who is the most disloyal, duplicitous person in the company.
The dumbest thing about the collaboration excuse in my company is that there's only about 20 percent of each team in the office. The majority are in another country or contractors who they don't have room for anyway. I brought this up in a meeting with an exec pretty high up and he got visible annoyed and just said "well it's the rules so do it or quit."