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  • Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
  • How much does a pilot make?
    Well, it depends. Pilots' salaries vary based on a variety of factors. Watch the video to find out how much pilots can make flying for airlines and other industries!
    All numbers are from airlinepilotcentral.com
    0:00 Intro
    0:21 How much can you earn as a commercial pilot?
    1:36 How much do major airlines pay?
    1:39 How much do United Airlines pay?
    4:44 How much does Cargo FedEx airline pay?
    5:35 What is upgrade time?
    7:04 How much do legacy airlines pay?
    8:33 Salaries in Corporate flying
    9:02 How much do Netjets airline pay?
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  • @titanhank1
    @titanhank1 2 роки тому +349

    I have been in the airlines for over 20 years. This is the first video I have ever watched that actually knows what he is talking about. His numbers are spot on. $350-$400k is very typical for topped out major captains.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  2 роки тому +16

      Thanks for watching.

    • @colleencurtis9259
      @colleencurtis9259 2 роки тому +9

      Love it. Ive got a 15 year old about to start lessons!!

    • @tyrekegordon2492
      @tyrekegordon2492 2 роки тому +6

      @@colleencurtis9259 nice I know they are going to love it flying is so much fun in my eyes

    • @gilzuniga6692
      @gilzuniga6692 2 роки тому +15

      $450k-500k and more at UPS and FedEx.

    • @xxxkingahmed1375
      @xxxkingahmed1375 Рік тому +2

      what do u think about ATP flight school for a newly HS graduate. I know they wont accept a HS certificate unless u have also worked for 2 years or have a PPL( which i plan to get somewhere else)

  • @donwilson1307
    @donwilson1307 2 роки тому +97

    I flew for a major carrier for 27 yrs, and this gentleman knows what he is talking about. Spot on as they say. Great info.

  • @pentameteriamb6196
    @pentameteriamb6196 2 роки тому +48

    Wow. Airline pilots deserve to be paid well. They always look so cool at the airport. Their uniforms and conduct.

    • @danzodamanzo8192
      @danzodamanzo8192 2 роки тому

      The 1% of airlines pilots will ever get to that top position.

    • @gutemacupcake6278
      @gutemacupcake6278 Рік тому +2

      @@danzodamanzo8192 to be a major captain?, what are you on about dude. The industry is about seniority the fact you said “1%” shows the lack of research you made.

    • @gutemacupcake6278
      @gutemacupcake6278 Рік тому +2

      @@danzodamanzo8192 please know a “major captain” is a another word for experience high seniority captain. And anyone can reach it if they stay at the airline for a long time

  • @jamesrussell3272
    @jamesrussell3272 7 місяців тому +1

    Awesome video! Thank you a lot for inspiring us and allocating time to create the content!!

  • @Skybusdriver
    @Skybusdriver Рік тому +4

    Spot on video with the way airline industry pays, thank for you this!

  • @sirgalalot88
    @sirgalalot88 Рік тому +16

    The most concise, complete and comprehensive video I have ever seen on the topic. You earned a sub.

  • @abduschoudhury1176
    @abduschoudhury1176 Рік тому

    Well done! Liked your presentation! Thanks!

  • @phan5302
    @phan5302 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for the honesty

  • @tranquility2348
    @tranquility2348 Рік тому +1

    GREAT VIDEO!

  • @LockheedF22Raptor
    @LockheedF22Raptor 2 роки тому +53

    As a CFI/CFII the pay isn’t amazing, but I love what I do and I’m really excited for the future of my career 👍

  • @myronwinslow80
    @myronwinslow80 Рік тому +1

    Great informative Video

  • @coreyjordan2745
    @coreyjordan2745 Рік тому

    Awesome, Very education

  • @butterfuuco1
    @butterfuuco1 Рік тому +1

    VERY INFORMATIVE THANK YOU👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

  • @russelllen8413
    @russelllen8413 Рік тому +6

    Interesting on when pay starts per flight. I thought it was from wheels up to wheels down, not including taxiing and other delays after leaving the gate. Good to know.

  • @jabhitler2700
    @jabhitler2700 2 роки тому +4

    Great and informative 👍. Please more of thus kind..but with more information regarding foreigner pilot job hiring policy and method

  • @matthewdaniels7462
    @matthewdaniels7462 Рік тому +1

    Simply thanks . I'm in operations at UPS trying to get into the cargo planes.

  • @XRP747E
    @XRP747E Рік тому

    Excellent video.

  • @Dolphinvideoproductions
    @Dolphinvideoproductions 2 роки тому +17

    I understand the thoughts of “it’s a long hard journey to get to be pilot and money”. Young gals and guys maybe don’t want to put in the years. Ok consider your office, pretty cool and days off. Then quit and try working in office job 5 days a week for 40k. Not fun. So you start a business, or work remotely from home. Try finding days off and making 50k plus absolutely no retirement set aside. Seems still long term “career “ eventually better. Don’t be short sighted. It’s a carreer.!

  • @dkemffls
    @dkemffls Рік тому +25

    There are plenty of guys at UPS and Fedex made 1 mil $ after picking up open times last year. You can easily make extra 100k If you work on your off days. Currently they are offering a lot of 200-300% for OT ( lets say your hourly pay is 92$ you will get paid 276$ to pick up 300% open time). Working extra 2-3 days on your day off you can make good money. Even regional airlines in USA the first year FO makes 90$ per hour these days.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому

      Thanks for your input

    • @mbekka1
      @mbekka1 10 місяців тому

      You can only fly 90 hrs a month that’s the law you can’t exceed that. , there is no ot

  • @WRic86
    @WRic86 Рік тому +3

    Loved the video, wish I was still in my 20's

  • @LyonBrave
    @LyonBrave 2 роки тому +1

    It was an amazing video 📸

  • @MUAAYANA-OBSERVATION
    @MUAAYANA-OBSERVATION Рік тому

    I appreciate ur efforts sir.

  • @rexanddonnaboyd
    @rexanddonnaboyd Рік тому +16

    Good information considering the short time period. The implication that you can be a wide body captain in three years is a stretch, however. There are several pay rates between new hire and wide body captain that prospective pilots need to consider. I'm retired from a 30 year airline career, after several years of flight instructor/charter/corporate flying. It's an excellent career and though I had a great time at my corporate jobs, I certainly wished I'd gone to the airline sooner in order to have more years as a wide body captain. Seniority is everything! I'm forwarding your video to my grandson, whose thinking of a pilot career...thanks.

    • @Nash-xh3fi
      @Nash-xh3fi Рік тому +1

      How was your experience with being a pilot and also having a family? That’s really the only thing I’m worried about with becoming a pilot. I’m finishing my senior year of high school this year and am planning my next steps.

    • @rexanddonnaboyd
      @rexanddonnaboyd Рік тому +1

      @@Nash-xh3fi As with any job, there are ups & downs. I was gone a lot but when at home, I wasn't bothered by job distractions as some of my 9-5 friends were. The travel benefits aren't what they used to be with the booking software being so efficient that there are fewer seats available but it can still be done. The video mentioned people not taking the captain upgrade when available. I stayed a senior wide body First Officer for a few years after I could've held 737 Captain because I could fly to London, Paris & Tokyo, have a bunk for rest breaks and work 12 days a month. When I could hold 757/767 Captain, I went to the left seat. Being a pilot is a personal decision but I wouldn't trade a minute of it for anything else. You weigh the good vs bad.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому +2

      Thanks for your input @R Boyd. We’re definitely in amazing times. Delta just announced a 4.5 month new hire first officer was awarded a B767 Captain slot👨🏼‍✈️ 🤩

  • @nickwills5288
    @nickwills5288 Рік тому +1

    hi,Could you share more information about how international student pilot get permission of work in usa ?

  • @Jasmin42794
    @Jasmin42794 2 роки тому +13

    Thank you. I’m about to join united Aviate academy and I never knew that’s the amount as CFI. The honesty is much appreciated

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  2 роки тому +3

      Good luck with all your training. You picked a great career.

    • @xxxkingahmed1375
      @xxxkingahmed1375 Рік тому +1

      did u hvae a bachelor degree or did u do accelerated flight school

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому

      @@xxxkingahmed1375 When I started my initial training in 1997, loans were not available for flight training, so accelerated training wasn't an option for me(single parent household). I enrolled in community college and started taking lessons at a local flight school. While taking lessons and building my ratings, I had a job working 35 hours a week, while taking 14-16 units of college courses. I transfered to Univ. of Cal after community college and got my CFI rating my junior year. I instructed my last 2 years of university to build time. I got my degree in June of 2004, and was hired at the regionals in May of 2004, and placed into a training class in August of 2004.
      The degree is preferred but not required at most airlines. However, when you have 20,000 pilots applying for a job at United, the company is going to select from the highest qualified applicants first. Having the college degree will make you a higher qualified applicant.
      Good luck with training.

  • @Moxzy8382
    @Moxzy8382 Рік тому

    what’s the difference between commercial and airline pilots?

  • @Redcuptalks
    @Redcuptalks 7 місяців тому +2

    I’m starting flight school in Summer 2024🙏🏼

  • @Erik_Thorsvik
    @Erik_Thorsvik 5 місяців тому

    What is the reason for the large jump between the first and second year for a FO?

  • @HandBananaE1337
    @HandBananaE1337 15 днів тому

    Do you know how the 401k contributions work? Does that 18% you mentioned get deducted from your hourly pay or is it extra contributed from the airline? Also do they pay for HealthCare or is that deducted from your pay as well? Thank you

  • @LtColDaddy71
    @LtColDaddy71 2 роки тому +92

    The jist of what you covered is great, but their are a lot of contracts up for negotiation right now, and the mind set among most of us is that we want at least a 40% bump over the term of the contract. With the pilot shortage, it’s turned in to very much a grind that is pretty miserable. However, most flying right now is paying double, and any extra flying is paying triple. We’ll get a hand full at my airline who will end up at the $700-$800k range, and that’s all narrow body.
    The key is to settle in to a lifestyle that allows you to invest and save a lot when times are good. Tell all the girls you’re dating that your a hard working baggage handler, not a pilot. It keeps the gold diggers away, and you will end up with a great one like I did.
    Live in base! Have a great cash flow side gig, master all the tricks of how to bid for max pay. I made a lot of mistakes and it cost me 5 additional years before landing at an airline due to a long active duty requirement I had to fulfill. An Air National Guard pathway would have been much better. But I did well in avoiding having to go through a regional to land a big job.
    I’m only 52 and consider myself retired. It’s technically an unpaid LOA, following a voluntary paid leave during the pandemic. I have babies and I want to be with them every day, and plenty of cash flow to accomplish doing so. Avoid the McMansions and Beemers. I promise you, long term, you will be so happy you did.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  2 роки тому +4

      Great advice. Thanks for sharing.

    • @drewdeming2183
      @drewdeming2183 2 роки тому

      Once I get all of my certifications and licenses what would be a good way to set myself up for getting into the airlines? Is spending a short amount of time at a regional airline a bad idea?

    • @LtColDaddy71
      @LtColDaddy71 2 роки тому +2

      @@drewdeming2183 No, it’s not a bad idea at all. It’s not the only way though. I’m a big fan of the Air National Guard Route. It’s best to have a PPL before approaching units, but you get 2 years of additional world class training, then 2 years of hardening off on active duty. Going to an major airline as a freshly promoted Captain and 2 flight lead makes you a great candidate.
      It doesn’t matter if you are flying big heavies or pointy nosed aircraft. 2/3 of the platinum level training is the same. Your going to be flying fingertip, upside down, fast etc… Stick with it as a part timer long enough, you’ll get a decent retirement and medical benefits when you turn 60.

    • @drewdeming2183
      @drewdeming2183 2 роки тому

      @@LtColDaddy71 That sounds like the most affordable option as well to be honest. I’ll look into it!

    • @jamesgermain8466
      @jamesgermain8466 2 роки тому +1

      I'm in A&P school, part 147, right now (in the middle of airframe) and I hope you guys keep on flying lol

  • @xXGETR0CKEDxX
    @xXGETR0CKEDxX 2 роки тому +10

    Overall decent information . It’s important to realize you can’t base pay just off pay rates alone . A considerable amount of money is made in the work rules . Also, Southwest is not a Legacy airline .

    • @LtColDaddy71
      @LtColDaddy71 2 роки тому +1

      ❤️❤️❤️ AND WE CONSIDER IT AN INSULT TO BE CALLED ONE! 😂

  • @Davidg1940
    @Davidg1940 Рік тому

    does per diem cover hotel expenses?

  • @dakotabarnoski3145
    @dakotabarnoski3145 2 роки тому +12

    Great video. I’m thinking about becoming a pilot, and have been looking into starting flight school in 2023 (already have a bachelors in an unrelated field). And I had one question, with the pilot shortage that we currently have and the predictions that it will become increasingly more desperate, is there any reason to go to a lower cost airline like JetBlue/frontier instead of sticking out for a legacy airline to try to make that extra $100/hr later on in your career? Thanks!

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  2 роки тому +27

      Hi Dakota,
      Great question. Having faced this exact scenario in my career while I was at the regionals from 2003-2013, I asked myself if there was any disadvantage to going to Jetblue et al vs waiting for a call from Fedex or United. And the answer was no. The advantages are you will make more money going to Jetblue while waiting for a call from your airline of choice, you will have a free type rating, you will gain valuable experience flying bigger equipment to international destinations.
      A big disadvantage is what if United never calls? That is a scenario that most don't want to think about but is very realistic. When I got hired in 2003, I thought I'd be at United by 2005/6. I ignored the fact that 10's of thousands of pilots were furloughed due to 9/11. I got my first opportunity to interview at Southwest in 2007 and didn't make it. At that time, only 20% of interviewees were hired on the first try. It was very common for most to try 2-3 times to finally get hired.
      Lastly, if you go to Jetblue as a place to be while waiting for a call to the legacies, you will be building seniority and the airline will be expanding and most likely increasing pay and benefits. If 3-5 years passed before you get the call, you may decide that things have changed at Jetblue so much that it doesn't make financial sense for you to leave the seniority and money just to start over at the bottom of a list of 15,000 pilots.
      My mentor once told me, make the best decision you can at that time and place. You won't know if you made the right decision until you retire and look back. The future for aviation is very bright.
      Good luck!

    • @dakotabarnoski3145
      @dakotabarnoski3145 2 роки тому +4

      @@ocflightlessons That was a fantastic explanation, thank you so much! Certainly makes sense to not strictly play the waiting game with a legacy and at least fill time with a step up from the regionals. Would you say it’s normal to continue pursuing the legacies while at the low cost? Or is it not really worth the loss of seniority?

    • @Kenny-bp8ux
      @Kenny-bp8ux Рік тому

      @@dakotabarnoski3145 if you don't mind me asking, which flight school are you planning to go to and how long will the school be?

    • @dakotabarnoski3145
      @dakotabarnoski3145 Рік тому +1

      @@Kenny-bp8ux I have been looking at one of my local schools, Academy of Aviation. And the program length from 0 time to MEI is 5 months. Others in the area are around 7 months

    • @armandortiz577
      @armandortiz577 Рік тому

      @@dakotabarnoski3145 I’m starting my flight training with the same school next month hopefully!

  • @Ben_pm
    @Ben_pm 2 роки тому +6

    I’m starting at a 4 year aviation program next month, can’t wait!!!

    • @tylerfielding5311
      @tylerfielding5311 2 роки тому

      Good luck! We need more pilots!

    • @ekenedennis7637
      @ekenedennis7637 11 місяців тому

      What’s the cost of doing a 4 year program compared to that of a local flight school? Need some insight please

    • @medicpride
      @medicpride 10 місяців тому

      @@ekenedennis7637 My daughter just completed her 4 yr degree in aviation via online courses through Liberty University. It only took her a little over 2 yrs and included flight training as well. She is now a CFII (flight instructor) gaining hours to go further. The cost was typical for a 4 yr degree but with the bonus of all her flight training and certifications. Approximately $120k. She just turned 20 about 3 months ago…yes I’m a proud parent. Good luck

  • @rampar77
    @rampar77 10 місяців тому

    You forgot to mentioned Spirit and Frontier only fly 737 or 320 compared to Legacy 767/777.

  • @juniorditrucker
    @juniorditrucker Рік тому

    Great video!
    Parking 'brake'

  • @rameshkaushik80
    @rameshkaushik80 Рік тому

    Sir you didn't gave any information about american airline pilot salary.....sir could you please

  • @santiagocortes1066
    @santiagocortes1066 Рік тому +1

    Good bro

  • @thepurplesmurf
    @thepurplesmurf Рік тому

    No kidding, when the thumbnail appeared in my suggestions I thought for a moment that Russell Peters change his profession. 😂

  • @saahirnizam1863
    @saahirnizam1863 Рік тому +1

    Do I have 70 percent chance of becoming captain at major airlines in 10 years

  • @user-rx6zw5ox8n
    @user-rx6zw5ox8n Рік тому

    Sir... I confused...
    which airplane gives more salary per hour for pilots
    Please answer sir....

  • @periklisspanos1003
    @periklisspanos1003 Рік тому

    I will know if I will see their W2 forms , the only way

  • @chrwoo2507
    @chrwoo2507 Рік тому

    Where is California is you flight school ?

  • @litoornelas6409
    @litoornelas6409 Рік тому +1

    Does fedex offer flight benefits or non rev tickets like the legacy airlines?

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому

      Hi Lito
      I believe you can buy ID90/zed fares on other airlines as a FedEx pilot.
      Thanks

  • @denyskruchynenko5398
    @denyskruchynenko5398 Рік тому +2

    Is the upgrade time actually 6-12 months though? I researched and saw bigger time spans, but maybe that's older info.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому +1

      Hi Denys
      Several of my former collegues are at the major airlines and have reported to me that upgrade times are as little as 6 months to 2 years. Unheard of times!
      Best wishes,
      Omar

  • @HumJ3
    @HumJ3 Рік тому

    im an automotive mechanic. i always wanted to fly. have been on a discovery flight and now that i know how much the top dogs are making its all so much more interesting. I'm 22 years old and am making about 100k pre tax a year. which nothing to complain about. i know there's more pay to grow into but i dont feel I or my peers are being compensated enough for what I do. i am now going to take my private pilots coarse at my community college to get a feel for it. is there any way for me to get exposed to the industry in a quicker way ? looking to get in somewhere that doesn't require a 4 year degree.

    • @tommatalkbiggerlongerandun434
      @tommatalkbiggerlongerandun434 Рік тому

      There are schools that will get to a CFI in 6-12 months, they are hard work though. Be prepared to study

  • @shocktrauma4319
    @shocktrauma4319 Рік тому +2

    Does anybody have any suggestions for a flight school?
    I'm going in with no experience and not a lot of funding. I'm also located in Columbus Ohio.
    I looked into ATP flight school in Cincinnati, but it is a bit pricey and I want a fast-track route to get my hours in to get on with a company. So no colleges if possible

    • @idontgotnothin
      @idontgotnothin Рік тому +6

      ATP will get you ratings fast. Dont worry about price because this a return on investment education.

    • @sociolocomtsac
      @sociolocomtsac 4 місяці тому

      @@idontgotnothin Not at 17% interest

  • @yeyis05
    @yeyis05 Рік тому +1

    Lately I’ve pondered on taking some classes to become a pilot and do a Career change. I’m currently a Truck Driver Owner Operator and make ok money buy it’s a ton of Work. Driving/ diagnostics/ self repairs to keep going and be ready at all time for the Next day. What Other education is needed to become a pilot other than these courses that these flight schools offer. I never graduated college. I Figure I can sell 1 of my trucks and start a Pilots course and take a Year off to do so.

  • @douglaspalmer5976
    @douglaspalmer5976 Рік тому +1

    Your information is wrong on NetJets. The 52,60,76 are not days off a year. From what you said the more days off you have the more money you make. What that actually indicates is how many days you work in a 4 month bid period. So the CC60 is working 60 days in 4 month and that is the same pay as 7 on 7 off with an average of working 15 days a month. The cc52 is averaging working 13 days a month. Less work less money.

  • @sajadyt8974
    @sajadyt8974 6 місяців тому

    Hi Daer mr . i frome afghanistan My dream is to work as a pilot in your country by following all laws. Is this possible or not?

  • @blitzkrieg71
    @blitzkrieg71 2 роки тому +4

    In indonesia, this kind of profession is not well appreciated by major airlines. Salary way below standards.

  • @AK-qc8ix
    @AK-qc8ix Рік тому +3

    One thing I’m finding looking at the airline industry is they like to say how much their 12 year captain and first officers make. But I need to know how much I’m going to be making the first few years so I can plan accordingly with my family.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому

      First year regional pilots are making $100,000/year

  • @blessedgirl8756
    @blessedgirl8756 Рік тому +2

    I heard a lot of ppl saying aniline’s don’t pay well specially in those first 5 years u will be paid only 40k to 50k per year. I’m so confused I don’t know what what to believe anymore

    • @GennadiCitrus
      @GennadiCitrus Рік тому

      You've heard truth. Providing you'll be able to secure a job. Look at other videos on the channel, it's a flight school. Guess what their interests are

  • @christophermaxwell6428
    @christophermaxwell6428 Рік тому

    I have a felony over 20 yrs back and am looking into becoming a pilot myself.... any advice or suggestions

    • @MrSpunkyWhale
      @MrSpunkyWhale Рік тому

      I’d imagine you have to look into getting a pardon for whatever the offence was. First step is to Google how to get your pardon from your respective country.

  • @BigBodyBobProductions
    @BigBodyBobProductions Рік тому +2

    What is the best airline to fly for? I want to eventually fly international and have a good QoL.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому +5

      Hi Robert,
      Thanks for the great question. I remember this popular question being asked around pilot circles as far as back 1990 when my dad was flying the B727 for Emirates. All of my mentors gave me some great advice. Pick an airline that has the closest base to where you reside. Spending time commuting to work makes the job less fun, and is unpaid travel time. Those are days you never get back in your life. If you pick an airline because they pay 10% more but you have to commute half way across the country, you have to ask yourself, is the 10% worth it?
      I commuted from the West Coast of the USA to Chicago O'Hare and then Houston's Bush Intercontinental for 6+ years. Thats a lot of time spent in the air not getting paid.
      Best wishes,
      Omar

  • @ziyelesamumba5823
    @ziyelesamumba5823 Рік тому

    I'd like to get to know you due to the fact that I want to do aviation after I'm done with my secondary school and I would like to have you as a connection

  • @robbelliii
    @robbelliii 6 місяців тому

    The problem with the industry is there are huge barriers to entry and lots of risks unless you come from the military side. I have my PP and IR and would love to try flying professionally, but I make $180K a year and there is no way I could go back to to making so little in the first five years. The number of military pilots is shrinking…the good news for young people entering this industry is this means pay will increase and demand for pilots will only increase. I hate to say the industry is broken but it sort of is, hence the demand issues.

  • @biolasaliu
    @biolasaliu 10 місяців тому

    That 352 dollars is for the first officer pilot salary Boeing 787 or 767 in the United airline.

  • @remy24juice
    @remy24juice 11 місяців тому

    I just accidentally click this but I think it’s destined for me to hear this? Lol it’s just Wow 🤩

  • @BOEINGMAX-nn6ku
    @BOEINGMAX-nn6ku Рік тому +2

    In comparison: As a Boeing Test Pilot you are making an average of 140,000 a year.

  • @Ckawauchi35
    @Ckawauchi35 10 місяців тому +1

    You are on point with UA pilots.

  • @davidpelemo584
    @davidpelemo584 2 роки тому +5

    Also I would like to add that because of the pilot shortage that is everywhere airlines are increasing their pay of pilots

    • @LeeePowers
      @LeeePowers 2 роки тому

      AA owned regionals are paying 213 per hour of you don't "flow" to American Airlines after 5 yrs.
      213per hour doesn't seem bad for a regional.
      It seems sweet.

  • @eatdirtfartdust
    @eatdirtfartdust Рік тому +5

    I’m 39 and just starting to get my private pilot license.
    Is it too late for me?

  • @braydenjking1590
    @braydenjking1590 Рік тому

    Excited to start next year at ATP. Trying to pick a major airline to have a goal in mind during school. Do you have a specific favorite legacy airline?

    • @xxxkingahmed1375
      @xxxkingahmed1375 Рік тому

      ATP as in atp flight school

    • @braydenjking1590
      @braydenjking1590 Рік тому

      @@xxxkingahmed1375 yes

    • @xxxkingahmed1375
      @xxxkingahmed1375 Рік тому

      @@braydenjking1590 i am pretty sure atp is connected to envoy which is connected to american airlines. did u have abachelor before atp or not?

    • @braydenjking1590
      @braydenjking1590 Рік тому

      @@xxxkingahmed1375 no bachelor, I’m still 19 but I’m in university right now

    • @xxxkingahmed1375
      @xxxkingahmed1375 Рік тому

      @@braydenjking1590 oh so u do plan to get a degree. i want thunking of just finishing my atp training and then going on to envoy from there

  • @ybrz_edng
    @ybrz_edng 7 місяців тому +1

    What does the typical retirement age look like for the commercial airlines? Recently got interested in aviation, but seems like I'm too late ;)

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  7 місяців тому

      Retirement is 65 for airlines. You can still fly corporate after 65. My first officer was 51 years old new hire at the regionals

  • @jasons5915
    @jasons5915 Рік тому +1

    You didn’t talk about bonuses at all. Delta offers a hefty annual profit sharing bonus.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому +1

      Hi Jason,
      Thanks for commenting. I previously included bonuses in another video but the internet warriors came out with torches and spikes when they heard how much pilots were making so I left it out of this one 😉 😆

  • @timol437
    @timol437 5 місяців тому

    Nice to know I retired from a legacy airline as a "white body" captain, and also learn the difference between "brake" and "break". PLEASE review your graphics before you post-somebody who works for a firm called "QC" should understand Quality Control. Would I fly with you?????

  • @amcconnell6730
    @amcconnell6730 Рік тому +1

    When you are talking about pay, you need to stop talking about "pilots" and start talking about the career path - Second Officer, First Officer, Captain ... and the time it takes to get to those positions, the risk of losing the position due to medical, the loss of seniority (and thus pay level) if you move airlines - say if the one you work for goes bust - and the investment you need to make before you can start even thinking about the job.

  • @HeyBigChriss
    @HeyBigChriss Рік тому

    I’m 25, I have my PPL, and that alone cost like 17k. I’m just so scared to put myself in massive amounts of -more- debt. I want to become a pilot so bad, but like it’s scary knowing how much money would be in the hole

    • @erickcortez3601
      @erickcortez3601 Рік тому +3

      Just look at it like this brotha you are investing in yourself itll pay itself off within the first year and you'll have a lifetime of a career !!

  • @Nakka117
    @Nakka117 Рік тому +3

    How many years does it take to reach the major airlines in average after high school

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому +2

      Hi there,
      If you enroll in an accelerated program, you can finish your ratings in 9 months. Then you will flight instructor for 1-1.5 years if at a busy school. During this time, I recommend getting an online degree in any subject(the airlines don't care of the subject). After flight instructing, I'd recommend flying at a regional airline. At the moment, pilots are being hired directly to major airlines with less than 1 year at a regional. 2 of my flight instructors were hired at Horizon Air in 2021, and got hired at Frontier 9 months later. Amazing times for aviation!
      Best Wishes!
      Omar

    • @Nakka117
      @Nakka117 Рік тому

      Thank you soo much! By the time I join it will be too late or the situation will change . Im graduating high school in 2024 and then planning to do a 4 year degree so that if something goes so I have this as a backup. After this I will join ATP accelerated prgram and finish fast. So far this is my plan

    • @Nakka117
      @Nakka117 Рік тому

      So I can expect up to 8 years of academics after high school.

    • @medicpride
      @medicpride 10 місяців тому

      @@Nakka117 My daughter just completed her 4 yr degree in aviation via online courses through Liberty University. It only took her a little over 2 yrs and included flight training as well. She is now a CFII (flight instructor) gaining hours to go further. The cost was typical for a 4 yr degree but with the added bonus of all her flight training and certifications. Approximately $120k. She just turned 20 about 3 months ago…yes I’m a proud parent. Good luck

  • @shinkang9924
    @shinkang9924 Рік тому +5

    Thank you for this great video and i have some questions. I am a 41years old freelance designer from LA and i always wanted be a pilot. I'm serious thinking about going into flight school to become a airline pilot. Do you honestly think i can make it or am i too old for it? Love to hear some realistic answers from real pilot, thanks👍

    • @caitb8685
      @caitb8685 Рік тому

      Hi Shin, I actually have some friends in flight school in their 30s and a lot of them are going through a career change. Just be aware that if you are trying to be a pilot in an airline you are forced to retire at 65 and you also need to pass your first class medical exam to remain current as a pilot. I would recommend going to an AME to see if you can pass a first class medical exam prior to aiming for flying as a career as if you do not pass you will not be able to carry passengers. You can be a flight instructor though with a 3rd class medical! I hope this made you think about it from a different view as a lot of individuals looking into becoming a pilot don’t know you have to medically qualify.

    • @Kenny-bp8ux
      @Kenny-bp8ux Рік тому

      @@caitb8685 please what is AME? I will be turning 34 soon and want to become a pilot

    • @caitb8685
      @caitb8685 Рік тому

      @@Kenny-bp8ux it is the medical examiner that determines whether you qualify for your medical certificate. www.faa.gov/pilots/amelocator

    • @Kenny-bp8ux
      @Kenny-bp8ux Рік тому

      @@caitb8685 thanks, I can't see any in my location and I live in Dallas Texas

    • @caitb8685
      @caitb8685 Рік тому

      @@Kenny-bp8ux make sure you choose Dallas in city AME as the search and the first class check box. I put in Dallas Texas and got some results. Let me know if that helps!

  • @joshuastimmel
    @joshuastimmel Рік тому +2

    How do pilots know what there hourly rate will be for there flight?

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому

      Hi Joshua
      It would be listed in the company manual which is provided to every pilot. You can access that data by going to airlinepilotcentral.com
      Great question 👍🏼

    • @joshuastimmel
      @joshuastimmel Рік тому +1

      @@ocflightlessons well I mean like how do pilot know if they are gonna get paid like say triple there hourly rate for overtime pay. Are they told beforehand?

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому

      @@joshuastimmel Your pay package and benefits is defined in your employee manual which is distributed during new hire training.

  • @35157208
    @35157208 Рік тому +3

    In the USA you choose where you’re gonna fly, in Brazil you’re lucky if you find a job. The pay is incredibly low. I’ll try my luck anyways. Is it possible becoming a pilot in the US if you’re Brazilian? Thank you. Enjoyed the video

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for your input Gustavo. I believe a special work visa is required.
      Best,
      Omar

    • @antoniomarques4693
      @antoniomarques4693 Рік тому +1

      Procura o podcast do Canal Piloto. Eles têm alguns episódios exclusivamente sobre formação aeronáutica nos EUA

  • @cellaraise8191
    @cellaraise8191 2 місяці тому +1

    i wonder if gi bill will cover my pilot school/ pilot college. I want to join air force and want them to pay for me, and don’t take $100k debt.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  2 місяці тому

      It will only cover instrument rating and after. Not the private

  • @whoisradu
    @whoisradu Рік тому +1

    I wish I could be a pilot, but im just not good enough. Grats to all those who succeeded.

    • @Kenny-bp8ux
      @Kenny-bp8ux Рік тому

      What makes you think that you are not good enough?

    • @discernablewind6984
      @discernablewind6984 Рік тому

      YOU WILL NEVER KNOW UNTIL YOU AT LEAST EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY!!!💁🏽‍♂️💁🏽‍♂️💁🏽‍♂️
      YOU CAN DO IT!!!
      I am…. And I’m approaching 60…. Few EVER realize their dreams!! But, YOU CAN!!💁🏽‍♂️💁🏽‍♂️

  • @quartclv3344
    @quartclv3344 Рік тому +2

    I'm 26 looking into becoming a pilot is it too late??

  • @RussellD11
    @RussellD11 2 роки тому +2

    Why would you deny the "captain" position?

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  2 роки тому +10

      Hi there, think of being a pilot at an airline as two different positions. One being a first officer, the second being a captain. When you're a first officer, you will bid your schedule, vacation, time off, and any other seniority related issue based on your seniority against other first officers. So if you were hired in 2022, with 500 first officers in the company hired before you, you'd be at the bottom of seniority until more first officers are hired.
      Let's say the year is now 2024 and you now have 300 first officers ahead of you, because the ones above you upgraded to captain, and you have 500 first officers hired after you, you are essentially first officer 301 out of 800, giving you a seniority of 37%. This mean you get to bid your schedule ahead of 62% of other first officers. Once you upgrade to captain, now you're bidding against other captains that are more senior to you, much more senior. This means you will likely be working weekends and holidays as a captain, but off those times as a first officer.
      A lot of first officers will not take the upgrade once they reach legacy airlines such as United or American because they're making $250,000/year and can hold weekends and holidays off giving them quality time to spend with their families at home.
      Hope this helps!

    • @abduschoudhury1176
      @abduschoudhury1176 Рік тому

      @@ocflightlessons well explained, learned something new. Thanks!

  • @bertilaagesen7050
    @bertilaagesen7050 Рік тому

    A couple of things, corporate pilots may be the only pilots for the one aircraft. Could mean there are no real days off as one could get called out at a moment’s notice. Corporate pilot - what is important is who you fly for and how you are treated. Not the airframe. Please let’s drop the word license, it’s a “certificate”. License is at best “folksy” but not correct.

  • @danzodamanzo8192
    @danzodamanzo8192 2 роки тому +18

    I used to fly corporate. We had 3 a man crew on a Challenger 605. Captain was making $220k. We worked 6-8 days a months, 220hrs of flying per year with average 4 overnights a month. Schedule posted a week in advance. Great work life balance but there was no way I was ever going to go captain because it was a dream job and the other two pilots werent going anywhere and were quite young. Theres more to it than money. Most long haul pilots dont live long after retirement, averaging 5-6 years after retirement.

    • @jennyzielke7642
      @jennyzielke7642 2 роки тому

      So for you, the lifestyle was better in corporate?

    • @josephburton92
      @josephburton92 2 роки тому

      I’ve always wanted to fly corporate. Just wanted to bump elbows with people who had cooperate jet money

    • @cad5026
      @cad5026 Рік тому +1

      So are you going to DM me this company and your bosses email!? It's not about being captain. It's about days off. That's the real salary!

    • @idontgotnothin
      @idontgotnothin Рік тому

      You made that number up about long haul pilots after retirement and you know it. Not cool man.

    • @amouredsaint872
      @amouredsaint872 Рік тому +4

      The data does not show that. However, It takes a conscious decision to be healthy doing this job. You can go to the bar when you get to your hotel, or to the gym. Eat a salad or a cheeseburger. These are the decisions that keep you healthy. Besides that, I get 16 to 19 days off per month and make pretty decent money being an international pilot. It’s a great career, for now at least…

  • @mcopilot
    @mcopilot 2 роки тому +1

    Frontiers low pay to me says low quality pilots maybe

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому

      Hi Gonzo
      Not at all. Most if not all pilots are trained to a very high standard in the USA.
      Thanks for commenting

  • @bodyloverz30
    @bodyloverz30 2 роки тому +2

    A fixed pension plan was better, but this is where we are at.

  • @danomack
    @danomack 2 роки тому +1

    Airline pilot here in Canada we get paid 💩 and the companies don’t care. Many Canadian pilots looking south to the US where the real $ is

  • @christianakl7487
    @christianakl7487 Рік тому +4

    Frontier starting FO pay is now $90/hr + I have captains I know making 700k to 1M a year. Your are forgetting about soft money in the pilot contract.

    • @benjaminmendezz
      @benjaminmendezz Рік тому +2

      No way really? That is awesome but they must be very senior.

    • @christianakl7487
      @christianakl7487 Рік тому +1

      @@benjaminmendezz He is a 19 yr Captain..BUUUT don't forget they are tripling size in the next 9 Years meaning you could be super senior (like more than 50% in the next 5 yrs) and they have contract negotiations coming next year ( better pay).

  • @DAMOSTKANGRY
    @DAMOSTKANGRY Рік тому +4

    Crazy times. As a American Eagle wholly owned Captain and Line Check Airman with the 100% override you can make $450,000 a year flying a regional jet, not counting bonuses. The income across the industry is going to double in the next couple of years.

    • @bc1173
      @bc1173 Рік тому +1

      i doubt the income will double, and i'd imagine in the next few decades it'll be a job ran by a computer. i'd actually say that entire field of work is in danger, as is trucking.

    • @colevarichak4309
      @colevarichak4309 Рік тому

      @@bc1173 I’m not going to say never, but I doubt it’ll be ran by a computer. There will always be a human factor need in aviation

    • @9770G
      @9770G Рік тому

      Ha if u think pilots will be making 900k a year you are bugging. The absolute top paid pilots today make 500k. No shot it will be 900k until maybe another 30 years thanks to inflation.

    • @robbelliii
      @robbelliii 6 місяців тому

      Where the industry needs help is at the bottom end of the scale, not at the top. Fix that and you fix the pilot shortage issue.

  • @noredmx1515
    @noredmx1515 Рік тому

    Looks like Russel Peters

  • @ahmedaboelmagd7672
    @ahmedaboelmagd7672 Рік тому

    Hello,
    I'm an Egyptian and I'm planning to got to an aviation school in the US.
    My question is if i completed the program and completed the required 1500 hrs, will i be able to work as a pilot in an American airline as a non American citizen?

  • @A.z.p47
    @A.z.p47 10 місяців тому +1

    The industry should pay more so I can pay for my education, what a disappointment from the airlines not giving the respect pilots deserve ✊🏼

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  8 місяців тому

      Industry pay is the highest it’s ever been 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @c.c.baxter3395
    @c.c.baxter3395 27 днів тому

    As a helicopter pilot I am lucky to make 90k a year.

  • @jameslea312
    @jameslea312 Рік тому

    *cries in Canadian*

  • @justcause7521
    @justcause7521 2 роки тому +7

    There are people changing careers, would it pay for someone in their late 40's to become a pilot or will they never make it to the major airlines as a Captain?

    • @AlexAlex-tb1ih
      @AlexAlex-tb1ih 2 роки тому

      Hey there! I just turned 30 and im about to leave my finance career to go full time into flight school. These are my calculations: it will take approximately 2 years to get all my licenses (ppl, cpl, multi-ifr and frozen atpl). I will have about 250 hours after those 2 years. I will then be a CFI for about 1 year to 1.5 which will bring my total flight time to 800-1000 hours. Then its the regionals for about 2-5 years depending on the industry demand. This being said, i will mostly be able to join a major airline when i will be 40, leaving a 25 year career at a major. Within these 25 years It will probably take 10-12 years to make it to the top end of the salary scale, which means i will be able to make “the big bucks” for only 10-15 years of my career. However, i cant stress this enough, do not join aviation for the pay, you will be disappointed for the first 5-7 years. Do it for the passion of flying, its a privileged job and i cant wait to start my journey!

    • @danzodamanzo8192
      @danzodamanzo8192 2 роки тому +4

      You will make captain but you will never see left seat on a heavy. That being said, it's not all about money. I know pilots that flew their entire career at Delta on the MD88. They loved the plane, the 2-3 hour legs and being home almost every day. Plus they got captain young as it was the most junior plane for captains and move up the seniority quickly to bid the best schedules. One of the pilots hadn't worked a single weekend in 18 years before he retired. It's all about what kind of life you want. I know a 777 First Officer at Air Canada that never wants to go captain because he's #3 on that plane at his base. He is Hong Kong native and sells his other trips to other pilots looking for overtime and he bids to fly to Hong Kong once or twice a month.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  2 роки тому +7

      Hello,
      In 2010, I accepted a base transfer to PHX, our newest base, because it was only a 45 minute commute from home. During my one of my trips, my first officer was a 51 year old that had worked in Wall Street for a few decades, made a ton of money but wasn't passionate about it, so he quit and became an airline pilot. He is now sitting left seat at a legacy.
      My flight instructor from 1999 was 44 when he was hired at Expressjet in 2005. He has been a captain for United for the last 4 years. Never let anyone discourage you from your dreams. Anything is possible.
      Good luck!

  • @thatshiairaqi9886
    @thatshiairaqi9886 2 роки тому +6

    Pilots get paid 30k a month?!

    • @AllIAm1
      @AllIAm1 2 роки тому +2

      Deservedly so I’d rather them get paid as much as possible as they have a lot of responsibility

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  2 роки тому +2

      Once you reach Captain pay at a major airline, yes they do. Some make more.

    • @danzodamanzo8192
      @danzodamanzo8192 2 роки тому

      Pilot has always been a gold collar worker and they need to pay better as American and Canadian pilots have been poached by Middle East and Asian airlines. The seniority lists were long to get upgraded and that made reaching top pay tiers unattainable for most.

    • @LeeePowers
      @LeeePowers 2 роки тому +2

      Yes.
      That's why investing 150k towards a pilot career will pay dividends sooner than you think.
      Potential career earnings of over 7mil depending on how early you start.
      Imagine having an ATP as soon as eligible.

    • @RussellD11
      @RussellD11 2 роки тому +1

      the pay 39% taxes too :(

  • @pawelvideo
    @pawelvideo Рік тому +1

    90 hours per month is a lot of flying, typical line is about 80. to be in B787,B777,B767-400 CA (left seat at that rate), you need aprox 20 years with the airline. Before you get there you'll make much less, on average half.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому

      Hi there
      Thanks for your contribution. Some airlines differentiate credit vs block. Credit is what you get paid, block is how much you fly. For example, you may block 5 hours from LAX-JFK, but credit 5:25. My reference was to credit for your entire month. At my former airline, you could credit 100 hours per month, but only block 80 hours depending on how your schedule turned out.
      Fly safe

    • @pawelvideo
      @pawelvideo Рік тому +1

      @@ocflightlessons You mentions United, and United Contract goes by hours. Each hour is a credit, even if you have computer based training (CBT) is credited in hours per contract. Most lines are 80 hours and if you have CBTs that's few hours on top of that (CBTs are quarterly and pay 1 hours for each 3 hour at the computer). Contract guaranties MPG of 73 hours reserve line and 70 hours regular line, on average pilots get 78-80 hours regular line. Reserve gets 73 until pilot flies above 73 hours for the month. However, no pilot should ever calculate salaries on average only on contract MPG. Please don't say what 10% of top senior pilots make after 25 years in United, it's misleading to the public.

    • @ocflightlessons
      @ocflightlessons  Рік тому

      @@pawelvideo thanks for clarifying 👍🏼

  • @MRRONIN-sw3cu
    @MRRONIN-sw3cu Рік тому +1

    Man every job I want to do won’t even pay enough to keep a roof over your head for the first couple years how these people do it during the first couple years? Live with parents? Get multiple roommates

  • @michaelhuebner6843
    @michaelhuebner6843 Рік тому +3

    Is your life worth more than $30,000 per month is the ultimate question you must answer. You also should look into how often accidents happen. The multi trillion Dollar per year industry has many dark secrets to hide.

  • @michaelmurphy1028
    @michaelmurphy1028 2 роки тому +1

    Legacy airlines do not include southwest airlines and Alaska airlines
    Why would anyone give up being an airline captain to own a flight school at his age
    Hard to believe he has 20,000 plus hours

  • @topofthegreen
    @topofthegreen 2 роки тому +3

    but you still have to retire at 65.

    • @av8tordonny398
      @av8tordonny398 2 роки тому

      Only from the airlines. There’s are guys in their later 60’s and early 70’s flying corporate.

    • @bodyloverz30
      @bodyloverz30 2 роки тому

      @@av8tordonny398 Cargo too.

    • @jjmm1415
      @jjmm1415 Рік тому

      Not anymore. It's 67 now.

  • @AK-qc8ix
    @AK-qc8ix Рік тому

    I know you’re a flight school talking to the lowest common denominator, e.g. the zero time maybe-I-want-to-be-a-pilot person, but stop calling it a pilot LICENSE. It’s a CERTIFICATE. You’re making my OCD flare up.

  • @minstew
    @minstew Рік тому +2

    UPS & FedEx better than the legacies by far.

  • @kylemathews9677
    @kylemathews9677 Рік тому +1

    Who can work for 20k in 2022?

  • @ricardoroman5479
    @ricardoroman5479 10 місяців тому

    🥴🥴🥴$28,000 as a CFII