"It only ends once. Everything that happens before that is just progress." Most epic reveal ever of the two most mysterious characters of the show. I wish all of Season 6 was about their flashbacks growing up on the island, coming up with the rules, playing games as different groups of people landed on the island- all building up to the finale.
For me, the greatest show ever. And this scene. My God, I remember when this came out and I was glued to my seat and sweating like crazy. I was waiting that "Jacob reveal" from S3, the first time they ever mentioned the name "Jacob".
@@TokyoXtreme He already tried to use Richard to kill him but it didn't work and that was during the time of the galleon ships. Would need a lot of convincing to make someone kill him.
@@TokyoXtremehe had to find the right candidate who was desperate enough to want the same thing he did many people back then when they landed on the island they never had the desire to leave, they just settled, it was easy to move on, in modern world here now it provides comfort and people dont want to hunt their own food so boom leaves them no choice but to want to desperately leave. 😂
The shot with foot at 0:07 was stopped so much back in the day you wouldn't believe. People were counting fingers and trying to tie it into the four legged statue. Shit was wild
a well-written tragic and mysterious story and a proper music for jacob with violin which makes me thrilled. If only they had shoot another part too prolonging their story to clarify some points.
The fact they didn’t spoon feed answers is what makes the show so great. 12 years after it ended and people still debate its meaning, plot points, cannon etc. they managed to con ABC into a castaway concept and turned it into high concept with a high budget. These days lost would be made easily by one of the streaming services like Netflix as they need ‘event content’, but in 2004 there was nothing like lost on tv.
@Chris Whitnall i agree I can imagine the ghosts of jacob and mib angrily playing their childhood game together when everyone else has..gone from the island And Mother was probably a smoke monster too who travelled to egypt then rome then to the island but i could be stretching about the travel part And the adult actors here talk literally like they were still the kids but grown older..both kids were cast perfectly
While recently rewatching this series and episode, after Jacob’s (Mark Pellegrino) line “nice talking to you too” and MIB (Titus Welliver) walking away, I half expected the camera to pan back and show a disgusted Matthew Abaddon (Lance Reddick) next to Jacob, who would say “…fucking Bosch.” Then cue the Bosch theme, of course.
The part, most people didn't even thought of, is that Jacob was real manipulator and ruined thousands of lifes, by bringing them to the island, just to prove MiB was wrong and to keep him there.
People live and die every day on or off the Island. Around the world we live in grace, bliss and prosperity and we also die in poverty, addiction, disease and loneliness. The Island brought many people more than they could ever hope to feel or achieve outside of it, and terrible things for others. It is no different than the chance of fate in a mundane existence anywhere else they wound up. Not to mention this slight tipping of the cosmic scale for a few castaways is nothing compared to the unmitigated disaster that would be MiB getting off the island.
He was a manipulator and a person to only prove a point that MIB was wrong about man’s nature. Truth be told MIB was actually telling the truth in this scene
@@terminald7064do you approved squid games . Just because they would’ve died on their own accord is their business. We are master of our Fate. Jacob playing god with people lives is evil
@@houseofmatrix6174 not sure I understand the question. Are you saying that squid game was justified because the players knew the rules and what was at stake? I agree with that being a more noble idea than shipwrecking people outside of their control. I’m not saying what he does is right, I’m saying look at it in perspective to the rest of life and death.
@@terminald7064 yeah but your point they had better life dying or living on the island . I said that shouldn’t be Jacob control. I compare it to Squid games he justified killing ppl because they die any way
It only ends once. Anything before that is just progress. So therefore can it be argued that destruction and corruption are necessary for progress? Intriguing message there, yet like in life it is said oftentimes "through adversity comes strength". It seems, in life, you do really need a little salt in the stew to make it palatable.
I do agree some type of adversity might be necessary from time to time. But for sure there can be progress without those things being a factor. There is no progress in destruction and corruption only regression. Overcoming them and other adversities can lead to great progress too. But it is not the adversity itself that causes the progress. It is our choices and what we do with adversity that determines that.
Why does this wheel sound like the smoke monster. Am I the only one that notice's that. The Sewing Wheel sounds like the smoke monster. What's up with that. Any comment's will be helpful.
Pretty sure it's an expression of the gnostic realm this show takes place in. Even if Jacob embodies the light, he still has and causes darkness since gnosticism is about darkness and light being one and the same to some degree.
They arent good vs evil... IMO its optimism vs negativity. Light vs Darkness. They cant exist properly without the other and are always destined to clash and coexist in some way
Notoce how the music went from single violin/harp for jacob to full orchestra at 1:16 for smokey. Almost as if to imply that business has just picked up and something crazy is gonna happen
What about it? Egyptians found the island and realized it had strong reproductive powers so they built a statue of the tawret the Egyptian god of fertility.
In one of the videos on the Lost Explained channel, he discusses how Egyptians were likely among the first to find the island. One clue being that the "exit" for the island is in Tunisia seems to indicate that the island was at one point, or maybe even originated, in the Mediterranean. Jacob and the Man in Black also appear to be Roman in origin.
when did this scene take place in the time line cause I thought the man in black lost his physical body so how would they speaking ik this wasn’t before Mib killed his mom cause they’re enemies at this point I need answers
That's the smoke monster taking on Jacob's brother form, the same way he does during the present with other deceased people. Jacob's brother is long gone at that point, and all that's lefg is MiB impersonating him.
@@WWEMASSEFFECT94 The Monster is part of MIB since he was thrown into the Source and his soul tainted (i think the Monster/Smoke is part of the Source, opposite of the Light always in there, and the defiling of the Source by Jacob tainting it with his brother's angry, mournful soul which longed to escape the Island because he hated their mother's control allowed the evil to escape using his brother's soul entering the Source as the method). Theyre one and the same. The Monster is now part of MIB, his memories remain thanks to the Monster scanning his soul when it escaped like it scanned other people in the show, so it makes sense that the Monster/MIB chooses to use its original body's form after his body's demise because he wishes he was a human again (Monster as Locke in Season 6 admits he likes to walk around as Locke instead of flying more efficiently as the Smoke because he likes reminding himself he was once human). Hope that helps :)
That monster is consist of his brother's brain waves, or the bio-electricity that resides within the brain, mixed with the Island's source. The brain waves got separated from the body somehow, that's why he still remembers what Jacob did to him.
I wish ppl understood the show... jscob gets such a bad wrap. Its all cuz u bit the devils appl. Jack is the bad guy as well... btw sawyer is epitomy of living life to your full extent no matter what the devul hands you.. Jack... gets tricked in the bible .. to rescue her by saving everyone. By the devil. Ppl rly didnt understsnd the shows meaning. I can argue with you for years jsck saved no one. Besides his own mind.
This was when you realized the showrunners just said fuck everything else we set up, we are gonna do purgatory, not purgatory, kinda purgatory finish…. 😂
@@user-vh6ts9uf6c you’re talking about “interest” though 🤔 why would you watch a show you’ve lost interest in? Now THAT is an odd concept lol. It was popular until the end for a reason, and still is, nearly 20 years after it first aired. It is a serial plot; meaning they knew the ending from the first season. As convoluted as it was, it was all intentional, and TRUE FANS knew this. Hence my comment. Plenty of us enjoyed the mystery surrounding it.
@@DS-616 It lost three million viewers by this point. I'll cope fine but I imagine the weirdo fans and production team were crying (as you just demonstrated).
@@user-vh6ts9uf6cYou just sound like a consumtion friik and is the evidence some people only care about the fame not the art you Bullisher. Most of shows decline in views after some seasons thats why most have 8-10 seasons. King of Queens sequel, Modern Family, Scrubs sequel, Breaking Bad 5yrs or X Files Comeback flop are just some examples that losing interesed is common in nowadays society but you can go on and cry for sure.
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I love this dialogue. So Civil and friendly until MiB just says how much he wants to kill him lol.
i can almost feel back in the day my mind bending while watching this for the first time
Same here. I watched it as a child and thought it was so complicated. When in reality it’s very simple.
"It only ends once. Everything that happens before that is just progress."
Most epic reveal ever of the two most mysterious characters of the show. I wish all of Season 6 was about their flashbacks growing up on the island, coming up with the rules, playing games as different groups of people landed on the island- all building up to the finale.
6x15 “Across the Sea”
For me, the greatest show ever. And this scene. My God, I remember when this came out and I was glued to my seat and sweating like crazy. I was waiting that "Jacob reveal" from S3, the first time they ever mentioned the name "Jacob".
The Man behind the curtain.
The best serial ever, i lived in this story
One of these days, sooner or later, I'm going to find a loophole, my friend.
It took the Man in Black like a thousand years before he figured out he could just hire a guy to do it?
@@TokyoXtreme He already tried to use Richard to kill him but it didn't work and that was during the time of the galleon ships. Would need a lot of convincing to make someone kill him.
@@TokyoXtremehe had to find the right candidate who was desperate enough to want the same thing he did many people back then when they landed on the island they never had the desire to leave, they just settled, it was easy to move on, in modern world here now it provides comfort and people dont want to hunt their own food so boom leaves them no choice but to want to desperately leave. 😂
this scene blew my mind when I first watched the show.
I love this show so much.
They made it up as they went
@@chook1311 Not exactly. And you are very wrong if you think other shows are all figured out from the beginning
My last 2 brain cells fighting for control
Absolutely love the little details. Jacob wasn't using any modern tech. He truly is from ancient times! That was crazy
What an incredible scene
That pink fish looked incredibly fucking delicious...
Mark Pellegrino played Jacob in Lost and Played Jacob in the video game Far Cry 5 !
“Well when you do I’ll be right here”
Yup, that’s where he took Ben to kill him.
The shot with foot at 0:07 was stopped so much back in the day you wouldn't believe. People were counting fingers and trying to tie it into the four legged statue. Shit was wild
People who didn't watch the series live as it aired will never understand how many thousands of hours were poured into analyzing every little detail.
a well-written tragic and mysterious story and a proper music for jacob with violin which makes me thrilled. If only they had shoot another part too prolonging their story to clarify some points.
Yeah it shows how many and how much people come back to it or are new fans. A great series.
The fact they didn’t spoon feed answers is what makes the show so great. 12 years after it ended and people still debate its meaning, plot points, cannon etc. they managed to con ABC into a castaway concept and turned it into high concept with a high budget.
These days lost would be made easily by one of the streaming services like Netflix as they need ‘event content’, but in 2004 there was nothing like lost on tv.
@Chris Whitnall
i agree
I can imagine the ghosts of jacob and mib angrily playing their childhood game together when everyone else has..gone from the island
And Mother was probably a smoke monster too who travelled to egypt then rome then to the island but i could be stretching about the travel part
And the adult actors here talk literally like they were still the kids but grown older..both kids were cast perfectly
@@whizard84isn't smoke monster MiB
While recently rewatching this series and episode, after Jacob’s (Mark Pellegrino) line “nice talking to you too” and MIB (Titus Welliver) walking away, I half expected the camera to pan back and show a disgusted Matthew Abaddon (Lance Reddick) next to Jacob, who would say “…fucking Bosch.” Then cue the Bosch theme, of course.
"Thank you, I just ate. " Makes me wonder, what does black smoke eat?
Others?
@@moosejavian210 hahahaha
Boar 🐗
I always interpreted it as a joke. But then again, he's offered wine by Jacob so presumably he can eat and drink!
He ate mango given by Ilana in 5x07
Iconic
I love the civility.
so this is why i love the Bosch show so much
This is still a legends
It's so Archangel Michael vs the Devil. Supernatural fans will understand why this is ironic.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
i got it, except I think Titus was one of the horsemen ( war I believe) not Michael
War not Michael.
The U.S. Marshall taking Negan's soul, his second son being the true vessel for that Devil lol
They come, they fight. That sums up the Jack and John relationship.
They corrupt. It always ends the same.
@@Donald43Yes
By that time it was already almost 2000 years. They have been witnessing drama like Lost for that long.
The part, most people didn't even thought of, is that Jacob was real manipulator and ruined thousands of lifes, by bringing them to the island, just to prove MiB was wrong and to keep him there.
People live and die every day on or off the Island. Around the world we live in grace, bliss and prosperity and we also die in poverty, addiction, disease and loneliness. The Island brought many people more than they could ever hope to feel or achieve outside of it, and terrible things for others. It is no different than the chance of fate in a mundane existence anywhere else they wound up. Not to mention this slight tipping of the cosmic scale for a few castaways is nothing compared to the unmitigated disaster that would be MiB getting off the island.
He was a manipulator and a person to only prove a point that MIB was wrong about man’s nature. Truth be told MIB was actually telling the truth in this scene
@@terminald7064do you approved squid games . Just because they would’ve died on their own accord is their business. We are master of our Fate. Jacob playing god with people lives is evil
@@houseofmatrix6174 not sure I understand the question. Are you saying that squid game was justified because the players knew the rules and what was at stake? I agree with that being a more noble idea than shipwrecking people outside of their control. I’m not saying what he does is right, I’m saying look at it in perspective to the rest of life and death.
@@terminald7064 yeah but your point they had better life dying or living on the island . I said that shouldn’t be Jacob control. I compare it to Squid games he justified killing ppl because they die any way
It only ends once. Anything before that is just progress. So therefore can it be argued that destruction and corruption are necessary for progress? Intriguing message there, yet like in life it is said oftentimes "through adversity comes strength". It seems, in life, you do really need a little salt in the stew to make it palatable.
I do agree some type of adversity might be necessary from time to time. But for sure there can be progress without those things being a factor. There is no progress in destruction and corruption only regression. Overcoming them and other adversities can lead to great progress too. But it is not the adversity itself that causes the progress. It is our choices and what we do with adversity that determines that.
Why does this wheel sound like the smoke monster. Am I the only one that notice's that. The Sewing Wheel sounds like the smoke monster. What's up with that. Any comment's will be helpful.
Still there? I think it's a coincidence.
Aha 10 years later ,mans was onto something
@@omniman9363 on God, omni man
it definitely has a similar sound to it but I don't know if it was intentional.
Pretty sure it's an expression of the gnostic realm this show takes place in. Even if Jacob embodies the light, he still has and causes darkness since gnosticism is about darkness and light being one and the same to some degree.
This is like ralph the wolf and the dog that guards the sheep conversing amiably before another day of fights. (Looney Tunes reference)
Jacob became Lucifer after he scaped the island.
Only youuuuuuuu can make all this world seem right only youuuuuuuu can make the darkness bright
They arent good vs evil... IMO its optimism vs negativity. Light vs Darkness. They cant exist properly without the other and are always destined to clash and coexist in some way
Suspicious footage of Bosch talking to one of the purported victims of the Bay Harbor Butcher.
Notoce how the music went from single violin/harp for jacob to full orchestra at 1:16 for smokey. Almost as if to imply that business has just picked up and something crazy is gonna happen
The Devil speaks to War
lol true
Lucifer and the apocalypse horseman war.
Or Jacob the personification of peace and MIB “evil incarnate”
That looks like a very delicious fish anyone know what species it is
Red Snapper I think.
I do not understand anything about the man in black aka the smoke guy.
He is a magician ?
"I just ate" so what does a smoke monster's diet consist of?
The human inhabitants of the island perhaps. :D
He isnt the smoke.
@@stillgotyourmom He is.
2 en 1, 21. Tarde o temprano va a ver un TOPON bien macabro! cada uno con su armada.
I'm still curious about the freakin' statue.
What about it?
Egyptians found the island and realized it had strong reproductive powers so they built a statue of the tawret the Egyptian god of fertility.
In one of the videos on the Lost Explained channel, he discusses how Egyptians were likely among the first to find the island. One clue being that the "exit" for the island is in Tunisia seems to indicate that the island was at one point, or maybe even originated, in the Mediterranean. Jacob and the Man in Black also appear to be Roman in origin.
The Island was visited by very very ancient peoples
Who else watches Supernatural. ( If you know, you know 👹)
They are basically Osiris and Set.
I dunno what you think, but I agree with MiB
dude eating healthier than the entire U.S.
Anyone reminded of Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog?
Mib can eat but only to keep appareance i dont think he needs food because its not human
Did the immortal Jacob just eat for fun?
Hola
Dexter send jacob to jail? I'm confused
No, its rehab
when did this scene take place in the time line cause I thought the man in black lost his physical body so how would they speaking ik this wasn’t before Mib killed his mom cause they’re enemies at this point I need answers
That's the smoke monster taking on Jacob's brother form, the same way he does during the present with other deceased people. Jacob's brother is long gone at that point, and all that's lefg is MiB impersonating him.
@@EfftingESbut Jacobs brother is the MIB?
@@WWEMASSEFFECT94 The Monster is part of MIB since he was thrown into the Source and his soul tainted (i think the Monster/Smoke is part of the Source, opposite of the Light always in there, and the defiling of the Source by Jacob tainting it with his brother's angry, mournful soul which longed to escape the Island because he hated their mother's control allowed the evil to escape using his brother's soul entering the Source as the method). Theyre one and the same. The Monster is now part of MIB, his memories remain thanks to the Monster scanning his soul when it escaped like it scanned other people in the show, so it makes sense that the Monster/MIB chooses to use its original body's form after his body's demise because he wishes he was a human again (Monster as Locke in Season 6 admits he likes to walk around as Locke instead of flying more efficiently as the Smoke because he likes reminding himself he was once human). Hope that helps :)
That monster is consist of his brother's brain waves, or the bio-electricity that resides within the brain, mixed with the Island's source. The brain waves got separated from the body somehow, that's why he still remembers what Jacob did to him.
fcking Bosch
ultra hd
I Think this is a dialog between God and Devil... Maybe? I dont know^^ Love this Scene...
🪢🕳
I wish ppl understood the show... jscob gets such a bad wrap. Its all cuz u bit the devils appl. Jack is the bad guy as well... btw sawyer is epitomy of living life to your full extent no matter what the devul hands you.. Jack... gets tricked in the bible .. to rescue her by saving everyone. By the devil. Ppl rly didnt understsnd the shows meaning. I can argue with you for years jsck saved no one. Besides his own mind.
Dude you understood nothing yourself while blabbering in all arrogance and its typical today smh 😂
lol these people lead you along like fools and yet you are still commenting pretending like this was all planned from the start
This was when you realized the showrunners just said fuck everything else we set up, we are gonna do purgatory, not purgatory, kinda purgatory finish…. 😂
Most people had LOST interest by this point
Definitely not! True fans stayed to the end ❤
@@esotericintrovert1669 Oh do you need to be a "true fan" to watch it? Odd concept - no wonder so few stayed on
@@user-vh6ts9uf6c you’re talking about “interest” though 🤔 why would you watch a show you’ve lost interest in? Now THAT is an odd concept lol. It was popular until the end for a reason, and still is, nearly 20 years after it first aired.
It is a serial plot; meaning they knew the ending from the first season. As convoluted as it was, it was all intentional, and TRUE FANS knew this. Hence my comment. Plenty of us enjoyed the mystery surrounding it.
@@DS-616 It lost three million viewers by this point. I'll cope fine but I imagine the weirdo fans and production team were crying (as you just demonstrated).
@@user-vh6ts9uf6cYou just sound like a consumtion friik and is the evidence some people only care about the fame not the art you Bullisher. Most of shows decline in views after some seasons thats why most have 8-10 seasons. King of Queens sequel, Modern Family, Scrubs sequel, Breaking Bad 5yrs or X Files Comeback flop are just some examples that losing interesed is common in nowadays society but you can go on and cry for sure.
Don't like either of these two, both playing their games with peoples' lives.