I like it. And thanks to the keel you get an all-in-one solution: from learning to sail at all, getting faster, keeping both wings in the water (it looks quite stable then). Next step: pulling up the keel... and flying may begin... So all kinds of sailing are on bord - and it still looks like a classical Dhingy :) For me the Moth would come after this boat... Congratulations to our Dutch neighbours: Well done !
I think it's mostly self regulating. Curved U or V main foils lose lift as they rise up further with increased speed because less and less of the foil is in the water so they tend to find a natural height where they want to fly semi-submerged for any given speed. The rudder T-foil would sit below the bottom of the lowest point of the main foils so the main foils will skip and sink again without ever losing the rudder foil. There's probably something to trim the rudder foil angle, but I doubt it's actively controlled.
Why is it that all these wonderful little foiling sailboats only exist in boat show and short promo vids? I never see a 3rd party review of any of them.
15'000 smackaroos???? Who the hell in their right mind for pay that much for that boat? That is totally ridiculous! You could buy a decent bluewater cruiser for that!!!
Just learn how to use a wing and a foil board. Much cheaper, maybe 4k for board, foil and two wings, takes up less space, more fun, more versatile - you can take it into waves, which you’ll never do on this thing. I know 70 year olds who are doing it.
I'm in Australia. My 26 y.o. son's spent a couple of seasons crewing on big boats. At that age, he's still always the youngest onboard and he's always the youngest in the bar. It's not good. My old club was seven hundred strong, back in the late '80's. Today it's down to 400.
@vibratingstring That's not good news at all, especially in a country such as the US which is relatively affluent and has a long history and an affinity with sailing. What can be done to stem the bleeding? Is cost of entry to the sport prohibitive in the US? Club fees aren't cheap here (C. $600 Usd. p.a.) but plenty of clubs turn a blind eye to membership status and allow new sailors to opt to pay just insurance fees on the days that they sail. There's plenty of "hand me down" gear getting thrown around, too. The sport, here, is accessible, it's just people aren't joining the ranks.
@davidbrayshaw3529 Entry cost is hugely prohibitive. No one outside of boomers sitting on a house that has 20xd in value can afford to keep a boat at a marina with yearly haulouts and maintenance, especially if you live somewhere it's got to be winterised. So you are down to trailerable boats which means you need to have and maintain a boat trailer too on top of a boat but also need a big vehicle to move it. Of course I'm talking about bigger boat, 15-20ft+ but that's what everyone who wants more than a dinghy needs. Trailerable boats in that class are an absolute crapshoot since manufacturing of them basically died from the 90s up until now so you are basically picking through mountains of lemons from the 70s/80s to find a half decent one if you don't want to pony up 40-50k for a new boat.
@@Shrouded_reaper Yacht ownership is horrendously expensive, there's no debating that. I don't know what the culture is like in the USA, but walk into just about any club in Australia and you will get a position on a yacht of some sort and only have to pay the insurance fee for the day that you're sailing. My son went out racing last Saturday and it cost him $10 USD. "Expensive" is relative. At the club he was racing at, annual membership for racers is close to $600 USD. If you want the full kettle of fish with formal training included, that jumps to $1,000 USD. Yeah, that's a lot of money, but then again, is it? $20 per week and you can sail 3 times a week in summer + Sunday training + courses and seminars + race 1 day a week through winter? Yes, you need to have a spare $20 and not everyone does, but to put that into context, that's a couple of 10 pin bowling games at the local alley. For many, that's doable. You don't need a boat to go sailing.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I live in Australia too, the reason young people don't want to crew on other yachts is because the experience is largely miserable. Way too many insufferable dbags own yachts.
Sailing is a first world country sport. Anyone in a third world country would get rid of the sails and put an outboard on his canoe the second he can afford one...
I live in a first world country and let me assure you, there are a heck of a lot of people here that couldn't afford the cloth hanging on the mast. It's a wealthy man's toy, no doubt about that.
I like it. And thanks to the keel you get an all-in-one solution: from learning to sail at all, getting faster, keeping both wings in the water (it looks quite stable then). Next step: pulling up the keel... and flying may begin... So all kinds of sailing are on bord - and it still looks like a classical Dhingy :) For me the Moth would come after this boat... Congratulations to our Dutch neighbours: Well done !
Love it. New laser for sea sailing.
16k is pretty good value? Hmmm
Brand new boat with carbon everything spars and race sail. Pretty much what you should expect for something like this honestly.
Wow, skeptical audience! I guess they want a Nacra F20 Carbon instead. Looks like a lot of fun to me.
Maybe not a Nacra F20 but an iFLY15 definitely.
I just want a cheap upgrade to convert a laser
@@robunique That's a very good idea. Know anybody studying navel architecture???
@@robunique It exists if you search for it
Need!
But why no jib or genoa?
I would constantly be yelling "DECAPITATION SPEED" when approaching other boats, lol.
For everyone? At 72, I'll stick with the old Contessa. It looks like great fun though 😂.
how is pitch controlled when up on the foil???
It would have to be by a tab on the rudder, wouldn't it?
Body weight moving
I think it's mostly self regulating. Curved U or V main foils lose lift as they rise up further with increased speed because less and less of the foil is in the water so they tend to find a natural height where they want to fly semi-submerged for any given speed. The rudder T-foil would sit below the bottom of the lowest point of the main foils so the main foils will skip and sink again without ever losing the rudder foil. There's probably something to trim the rudder foil angle, but I doubt it's actively controlled.
J adore... ou peut on le trouver ?
Why is it that all these wonderful little foiling sailboats only exist in boat show and short promo vids? I never see a 3rd party review of any of them.
What boat show is this?
Dusseldorf
The world definitely needs MORE dinghy classes.
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hahaha
Cost is important. No more than laser though. If it’s more forget it
15'000 smackaroos???? Who the hell in their right mind for pay that much for that boat? That is totally ridiculous! You could buy a decent bluewater cruiser for that!!!
I bought Nacra 5.2 with trailer for $500. I will put $300 more and have a lot of fun solo or with may son. Now this is reasonable.
the average sailor must now be in a vastly different financial bracket than what they used to be
It’s a lot of money, but it’s about the price of a new 470 or a bit more than a solo.
Foiling Lasar
What do you do if or when the wind dies?
Put the centerboard down, it's a conventional rig. Though I'd imagine it still has a foil of some type on the rudder no?
Have a cup of tea.
Displacement mode.
If there's no wind, there's no sailing period.
Have a drink
Not sure if this provides any more fun for the price tag. Everything has to have a foil - big f'ing deal.
Just learn how to use a wing and a foil board. Much cheaper, maybe 4k for board, foil and two wings, takes up less space, more fun, more versatile - you can take it into waves, which you’ll never do on this thing. I know 70 year olds who are doing it.
5589 Berge Forks
15k for a plastic bathtub?
Carbon plastic bath tub
Unless they can find a way of de-weeding the foils, it's a no from me.
At around $20,000 (or more?)….. not for the masses
15k for a dinghy? Ouch!
Thats cheap.
Not a lot more expensive than a lot of dinghy’s. New RS500 16000 euro.
Yeah, at that price I'd be looking at a foiling multihull.
If it's cheap it's no fun nowadays 😢
Another one for the Rich only 😢😢😢😢
The death of sailing as a sport for the younger masses. Financial creep.
I'm in Australia. My 26 y.o. son's spent a couple of seasons crewing on big boats. At that age, he's still always the youngest onboard and he's always the youngest in the bar. It's not good. My old club was seven hundred strong, back in the late '80's. Today it's down to 400.
@vibratingstring That's not good news at all, especially in a country such as the US which is relatively affluent and has a long history and an affinity with sailing.
What can be done to stem the bleeding?
Is cost of entry to the sport prohibitive in the US?
Club fees aren't cheap here (C. $600 Usd. p.a.) but plenty of clubs turn a blind eye
to membership status and allow new sailors to opt to pay just insurance fees on the days that they sail. There's plenty of "hand me down" gear getting thrown around, too.
The sport, here, is accessible, it's just people aren't joining the ranks.
@davidbrayshaw3529 Entry cost is hugely prohibitive. No one outside of boomers sitting on a house that has 20xd in value can afford to keep a boat at a marina with yearly haulouts and maintenance, especially if you live somewhere it's got to be winterised. So you are down to trailerable boats which means you need to have and maintain a boat trailer too on top of a boat but also need a big vehicle to move it. Of course I'm talking about bigger boat, 15-20ft+ but that's what everyone who wants more than a dinghy needs. Trailerable boats in that class are an absolute crapshoot since manufacturing of them basically died from the 90s up until now so you are basically picking through mountains of lemons from the 70s/80s to find a half decent one if you don't want to pony up 40-50k for a new boat.
@@Shrouded_reaper Yacht ownership is horrendously expensive, there's no debating that.
I don't know what the culture is like in the USA, but walk into just about any club in Australia and you will get a position on a yacht of some sort and only have to pay the insurance fee for the day that you're sailing.
My son went out racing last Saturday and it cost him $10 USD.
"Expensive" is relative. At the club he was racing at, annual membership for racers is close to $600 USD. If you want the full kettle of fish with formal training included, that jumps to $1,000 USD. Yeah, that's a lot of money, but then again, is it?
$20 per week and you can sail 3 times a week in summer + Sunday training + courses and seminars + race 1 day a week through winter? Yes, you need to have a spare $20 and not everyone does, but to put that into context, that's a couple of 10 pin bowling games at the local alley.
For many, that's doable.
You don't need a boat to go sailing.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I live in Australia too, the reason young people don't want to crew on other yachts is because the experience is largely miserable. Way too many insufferable dbags own yachts.
Accessible? Maybe for a first world country...
Sailing is a first world country sport. Anyone in a third world country would get rid of the sails and put an outboard on his canoe the second he can afford one...
I live in a first world country and let me assure you, there are a heck of a lot of people here that couldn't afford the cloth hanging on the mast. It's a wealthy man's toy, no doubt about that.
buy a Moth.
For $35K and made in China? NO WAY
The answer is no.
Too dangerous for recreation - it must forbidden ☝🏻
People are crazy to think someone will buy this overpriced dinghy..
Good luck