*Update: after extensive flying (bush/pattern/3D/etc) over hundreds of flights on two Turbo Timber Evolutions, there’s two reasons we no longer suggest this airplane. 1: We rarely fly them anymore since the FunCub NG effectively replaced the Timber as our go to current production bush plane. 2: The Timber Evo has an legit Achilles heal in addition to the gear springs…the plastic motor mount. After lots of flying, nose overs, prop strikes, etc, the plastic motor mount eventually fatigues and will crack and break. Once this happens, the fuselage is totaled because there is no replacement motor mount - you have to buy an entirely new fuselage. Check out our review on the FunCub NG as a great alternative.*
And i just bought TTE 2 days before i saw your video on FunCub NG. Also heard someone had probldm with mount...it disconected from plane during flight. FunCub seems similar on paper to FMS P18 1300mm.
Unfortunately they really aren’t that similar from a feel in flight standpoint. The FMS is literally twice as heavy wing cube loading wise and less capable from an acro standpoint as well.
You guys should make a top 5 (or 10?) bush planes video, going into all the criteria you use to rank them and how they compare to each other. It's kind of a small niche, but I think that video would be a banger!
I got the Timber X as my "After trainer". It had very similar issues, and that battery hatch on the bottom was ass, but it was also a great plane. I designed and 3-D printed a small bracket to keep the gear from ground roll, or bouncing inward to hard, after the original clips broke off.
Best review of the Turbo Timber Evolution on UA-cam by far! Living in Southern Africa I’ve been shopping between the Timber X and Evolution but gotta say this video sold me on the Evolution for it’s STOL and backward thrust capabilities. Definitely going to get the extra springs and prop, thanks for that!
Thank you! You'll enjoy it! As Just Stolling Around noted - reverse thrust is included as an option with any PNP/BNF Horizon airplane that has a SMART esc combined with a Spektrum TX+RX. Have fun! -Zach
Thanks for another great video! As a noob, I really enjoy your approach to rc keeping it fun and challenging. Your insight and advice has been really helpful. Thanks!
I made a duct tape firewall ram air mod under the front cowling to force more air under the battery and over the esc. I almost never get heat warnings anymore. Hot day and 200' power climb from hover will still piss it off. I am definitely going to switch to your recommendation of prop. Still my favorite plane I have. Wish it had the steering style servoes in the flots like my fms floats.
Heck yeah sweet guys! Such an amazing video as always! Keep them up. I’m addicted to the format you make your videos in! 😂 I’m just getting started with mine as you know…😂 can’t wait to fly it like you guys do! I will definitely use your setup tips as well as that new prop soon! Flying it tonight! Thanks!!!
Just got one after flying an UMX spot cub S2 for a month plus some realflight practice, I wanted to go bigger. Love it so far ! However I could not use reverse thrust as i'm using an old DX7S that doesn't support forward programming, and I don't have a program box yet. i'll probably upgrade my transmitter soon so I can have telemetry and reverse thrust, it is a must when flying in tight spaces I think.
My timber x came with the most oblong tires ever....when I taxi it looked like it was a 64 Impala hitting switches.....literally 1 day if flying and I had to pull the trigger and get some dubros
I added an aluminum plate in in my old timber (non turbo) and used small machine screws and nuts to hold my gear plate on instead of the stock screws plus a thin stainless steel plate on the outside. Also replaced wheels with inflatable 5 in tires from an X fly Glastar from Castle hobbies.
I've been having so many overheating issues with this plane (even after moving the ESC forward etc as Horizon suggest, actually that made hardly any difference) I was getting constant telemetry alarms for overheating with the stock prop after about 4 mins flight. I couldn't fly the plane the way I wanted which was very frustrating. I followed your advice and switched to a 13x4 and wow, what a difference. I've been pushing it harder than I ever have, prop hanging etc and it just sits at +-70 degrees Celsius. I feel like I have a new plane. Thanks a lot.
If you guys reviewed airplanes, this would be the channel I would use. The easily understandable and smooth voice along with the plethora of useful information makes you much better than the review sites that like to show off their flying skills while providing little information. I'd start with the most popular to date and the latest popular releases. I am going to subscribe to watch for this and see if your subscriptions go through the roof as I suspect.
Just bought this plane, with lots of extra goodies, thanks to TBRC. I'm gonna leave it in the box till I'm a little more skilled tho, as I'm still a noob. Great video! Thanks!
I enjoy your videos. Very informative. The Evo is my second plane. I am way down on the food chain when it comes to piloting. Too many bad landings and broken springs. I designed and built my own gear with an inch of vertical travel. More forgiving and easily repaired. Heavier yes. The trade off is better for me.I also built an air scoop below and just behind the cowl. Directing air straight at the ESC. I wish I could share but I'm not savvy at that.
Hello there dear gentleman, what a great, and high-quality review! I just have a quick question, Is there a reason you guys opted to forgo using the slats?
I just bought one of these things. I am a warbird guy and will not be flying the piss out of my timber like you do here! Nice normal scale flying for me. I pulled that Spektrum garbage receiver out and got rid of it as soon as the plane came out of the box. I had bad luck with my old DX6 and DX8 about 10 years ago, so I will never trust Spektrum again. I switched to FlySky and never looked back. it was nice tho because I sold the receiver to some guy at the field for $100! So it sure helped drop the price on the plane! I only have about 5 flights on it so far and it is a nice plane. Crazy to see what you guys do with this thing! I will absolutely change the Prop as you recommend. I fly on 4000 mah 3s and get about 12 minute flights out of it. Just discovered your channel today so I will sub. Thanks for the vid!
For your reference I have been flying spektrum only gear (minus batteries and chargers) all around since early 2000's and never had any failures of anything except crash damage. My current IX12 radio is slow as crap to load, but thats about it. I have owned dozens of spektrum foam models mostly warbirds, zero issues and still flying some that are long out of production. I also own some freewing models (jets mostly) from Motion RC which is awesome, and they are better quality foam and mechanicals but so so electronics. FMS which horizon bought out and incorporated are total garbage foam and even worse electronics, sold off the few FMS warbirds I had and will never touch another.
I love my timber evo, I just started flying last year and it was my 3rd rc plane still looks brand new except buying a ton of landing gear springs and going through idk how many 11x7-3 props but I spoiled myself because now I can’t find a bnf I want more than this thing. I just bought a 1/4 scale bud nosen Cessna 310 10ft wing span and I still like my evo more
Just got this plane last week did the maiden over the weekend with wheels and then threw the floats on it Sunday and did my first water ops what a blast. An absolutely awesome plane 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Cool plane. I just have strong reservations about buying anything from HH given their constant OOS issues and long wait times to get replacement parts.
It’s hit and miss for sure. Iv got some good stuff but also had a nightmare with my blade 330s being junk from factory. And my NX10 had to go back to the facTory 3 times but still won’t connect to WiFi and telemetry still doesn’t work with anything I got even though it suposably came with it on board the helicopter and my plane
any good a productive company will have wait times its just part of the hobbie now. To put it simply do you eant a peice of crap fast or a quality product in 3-4 months. I find the best thing to do is find a big local hobbie store and order though their wait list if item's not in stock you'll get a relistic wait time and because they bulk order you'll get it faster than if you ordered it yourself. Given I'm in Australia Horizon is in America I waited 10 weeks for my TT Evolution 100% worth the wait, same hobbie currently has heaps of spares in stock for it aswell.
Our club has about 8 members that have them. Problem after problem. Overheating, Motor replacements and melted motor mounts etc. Its a good trainer but ya cant push it. Try to do an outside loop. lol. Great review.
What nobody told me is that you can’t use a DX8e for reverse thrust. All I was told was that you need an 8 channel transmitter to do it, but come to find out the DX8e isn’t compatible with it for some odd reason
I own one of these and there are several that frequent my local airfield. One had a servo tear off the inner fuselage, killing the elevator. So there’s some non existent QA on properly mounting servos. I’ve also seen one owner loose the ailerons as a servo burnt out. The overheating is just really poor design. We find removing the spring pins on each end helps a lot. It’s fun to learn on but they really cut a lot of corners producing these things. I’ll be swapping the prop soon to get more run time
nice review, i have maiden a couple at my field. so really didn't get to see what all it would do its nice to know without the AS3X Rx you can make it more of a 3d plane. those stock moments are kinda limited i was sad to see there is no adjustments on the ailerons to get more seemed to be some type of in the wing hook up. Also think this is the first i have heard about the prop change but makes sense. also yes those springs on the gear suck not sure why they changed it from the stock Timber X and Night timber x i owned both and never had a spring break. a club member has broken 2 sets and finally he just went to hardware store and got regular springs and rigged it up and its been fine.
I have this plane and only disappointment was that the reverse thrust does not work with Futaba receiver and transmitter. Apparantly you really need a Spektrum setup to get this to work. But overall it is a very nice plane to fly and i am very happy with it as my first airplane :-)
radiomaster radios with 4 in 1 multi protocol module can do forward programming easy. ive setup thrust reverse on TTE 1.5 and slow ultra stick using radiomaster tx16s mkii (4in1 internal) / edgetx and the zorro too. can also fwd program the safe mode / stabilization(as3x) only / and no stabilization flight modes on a 3 position switch to the receiver in the same fashion. works beautifully.
@Jack C Dunman Thanks for the sensible tip, I've just cut mine. Was amazed how strong the wire is, I couldn't cut with snippers had to use a dremel. Even though the springs are bent hopefully they will now last a while. Was going to remove them from the plane to cut but thought might struggle to reinstall them. Once removed it's obvious that they were doing the restriction. You've saved me buying new springs, thank you very much. I'm curious, I wonder how they put them together? the clips go round each other where you can't see. Now I can't help but wonder why the clips were there, all they'd do is restrict the spring- sort of a paradox. Thanks again!
Use the wing slats changes the stol capabilities of the plane. I'm leaving mine off for now aswell but I plan to by another set to install the slats on.
I'd really like to see what you guys would do with an Aeroscout. I've flown more in the past 3 months that I've had it than I did in the 3 years prior. Just an absolute blast, very wide speed envelope, surprisingly precise and aerobatic, and it's capable of some STOL flying also.
It’s a great plane for sure! We fly them often at our local club instructing students and definitely enjoy them. We have been chatting about reviewing one at some point so stay tuned. -Zach
Great review! I picked one up a few weeks ago based off of your other videos and and really loving it! 2 questions though… 1. Do you know if you can use the reverse thrust if you don’t use a spectrum receiver? I’m using a Radiomaster receiver. 2. What is the best bush plane that you can buy today (you said you think think the timber evo, is more of a Jack of all trades). Thanks for the info and keep up the awesome videos! One of my new favorite channels!!
Thanks! That's a great question. I believe that in order to utilize the SMART functionality of the Spektrum ESC, you do need Spektrum TX and RX hardware. Hobby King does sell some reversing ESC's that have a separate plug that's signal only so you can use it with any radio on a two-position switch. The best purpose-designed bush plane in our eyes will always be the OG Fun Cub, but it's no longer produced. As of now, out of all US manufacturers, we'd argue the best STOL plane on the market is the 1300mm FMS Super Cub, despite its higher weight. We do want to give the Multiplex Fun Cub NG a shot, though, which is produced in Germany. We think it would be crowned the winner but can't say until we try it. Hard to get in the US, though. -Zach
Two questions: 1. When moving the servo control arms to inner holes on the controls surface side, did you need to adjust gains or any other parameters when making this change to have safe or as3x work correctly? A video on this would be great! 2. Is there a 2 blade 11" or 12" prop that would work just as well as the 13x4? I'd like a little more scale look and less chance of prop strike since I'd like to use a wood prop. I'm thinking 11x5 or 12x4.5?
@@TailHeavyProductionsThanks, I noticed you're using a grey 13x4, is this the APC sport or thin prop? Or is the eflite one in your description the preferred prop? Thanks!
What a great review. I’ve had my original Timber for 6 years and zero issues so far. If anything after a while it gets a little boring to fly, no bad tendencies at all. Sometimes horizon makes a great product and then ruins it with future versions. Like the UMX Vapor “HP” which flew horribly compared with the original one.
We’ve actually had a few flights on a friend’s Draco. Our first impressions with the raw data both wing loading and flight wise was that it was a little heavy for what we’d want to use it for. For that reason, we don’t intend to get one anytime soon. -Zach
Great video - I really like your bush-flying ones. I bought an Evo, having had the original Timber before, and was unexpectedly slightly disappointed. You mention it in the video - it is just a little too 'floaty' and I couldn't get to land as short as a Tundra or Funcub, or the original Timber. Still a great plane - I wish I had thought try the 13x4 prop switch - that sounds great for more torque and less ESC load.
Thank you! We never did mention that it was "floaty" but that it can't get as slow because of the higher wing loading. "Floaty" is a term synonymous with a light airplane, not a heavy one. The only way to ensure the SLOWEST possible speed before reaching the airplane's 1G critical angle of attack would be to keep it as LIGHT as possible which is why we use the 2200mah 4s. It's the same philosophy even up to airliners - the heavier we are, the higher our approach speed, and the lighter, the lower. It scales down to RC, too. -Zach
@@TailHeavyProductions Thanks Zach. Yes, "floaty" was the wrong term. I just couldn't get the Evo to slow down as well as the others. Your info on the wing loading comparison between Evo and Funcub was really helpful. I like your other Funcub videos and have recently bought one - it's amazing just how light it is.
I have the older one and as a beginner could take some tips out of this! Saddly I already ordered some spare 3 blade props... But I have 12x4 (E-Flite) and some 12x6. I will try them too :) But after a couple of hard landings I´m training with a UMX Sport Cub for not have to glue something every weekend :P
Sadly to say I got one of the first updated Turbos out. It's still in the box. What happened is a wild B-Day present to myself story caused by a company my buddy is overly friendly with produced a limited run of his custom made replica Bi Plane he takes to shows which I think is American Shearson. They were primarily built in the early 1930's for crop dusting but the rest were lost in WWI. This thing is not a foam body plane it's an ABS body Gas motor plane. So what's my point? Once I started taking the pieces out of the box I laid the pieces together and it is a spectacular sight to see the thing unassembled and as I was putting it together naturally I needed a motor this that the other thing typical custom style kit plane. It did come with Futaba servos beautiful job they did on mounts for the servos and stuff so off I went yesterday to a distant Hobby Store called TRAINS & LANES NEAR NAZRETH/BETHLEHEM TWSP PENNSYLVANIA for my B-Day present to myself I bought the radio and engine plastic fuel line. When I got to the cash register I was up over $550 dollars and had to stop for gas for my truck which was another $109.00 so to say the least the Turbo is going to have wait in its box until dad has a few extra pesos. But the color scheme of this Bi Plane is awesome out of the box the parts and pieces just grab hold of your eye balls. I may decide to just hang this in my office after all that maybe only fly it on special occasions. It is that gorgeous. The Shearson Biplane was the first Biplane to have an enclosed pilot space. When it was used in WWI they used it primarily to drop bombs not as a fighter after all it was built as a commercial crop duster not a fighter plane. As far as I know Tony Palidino has the only one in existence. Although his technically not truly a replica almost every piece of the aged plane has so far been removed. About the only OEM pieces that still exist on it are the original landing struts the metal pieces of the tail wheel probably the metal cabin floor with the seating mounts and the metal engine cradle the motor sits in. The rest of it was all wooden and mostly it was all replaced because of age & fatigue.
Excellent, comprehensive video. I have one to assemble in the near future. When using flaps, especially for approach and landing, does it require down-elevator input to compensate to the extent that a mix in the transmitter is required ?
Great video man I love my timber Evo. I fly up in the lakes region. You should check out our field sometime. Winnepesaukee radio controllers is the name of the club.
Awesome Review! Planning on this one for my second, quickly outgrowing the Carbon Cub S2. Could you please let me know which prop and spinner? (Spinner, 2 Blade: UMX Timber Item No.E-flite - EFLU3958, APC-Landing Products - APCLP13040) Will these fit? Thanks
Not a word about the slats. Did you try them? I won't worry about the springs. It'll strictly fly off water. My UMX Turbo Timber is a fun slow flier. But I installed the slats.
@@TailHeavyProductions Whoomph. There it is! 😊 Transport will involve a 50 ft walk to the dock, so that's not an issue. I'll try both ways. They may not work as well at this scale, but if they add enough lift to offset their added weight that will work for my style flying. Thanks!
It's not that black and white. You can fly a Timber Evo around trees fine too - as long as there is a bit more room. The Fun Cub is over a pound lighter which means it can fly in even narrower and tighter spots than the Timber could since it's the same size but weighs way less (lower 1G stall speed). The Fun Cub NG is the only current market airplane in its size class that is as light as it is. There's no comparing - especially to the OG. We generally recommend either of those if budget permits, and then if not - the FMS 1300mm Super Cub as a good budget starter bush plane (but much heavier and not as slow).
I started with a sport cub S2, it isn't anything crazy to fly, but it does give you a great sense of how an RC plane works ! and also, it is hard to break.. flew mine in a loop full speed directly to the ground on grass, not even a scratch.. After a month I went for a turbo timber evolution and can fly it easily ! I still use SAFE on landings just to make sure I don't bank it too much close to the ground, but you can easily flip it on and off on a switch !
I really like your channel. I just can't buy another e-file again all my birds were damaged in box, and two out of the last four were so bad it couldn't be flown. My first turbo timber Evo was one of my favorite planes. My last one bad engine, and aileron servo. I decided to end my relationship with HH and fly balsa/nitro. Much happier with the planes
Thoughts on the wing slats? Maybe slow down the stall speed a bit? Thanks! Just put mine together with some beefy aftermarket landing gear complete with oil filled shocks 😂
I think I am gonna like mine once I get it together that is. What type of radio is that besides a really expensive one??? it looks expensive. I do not think mine came with a radio I could be wrong.
Thanks for a great 1-year review. You mentioned this isn't your favorite bush plane, so I'm wondering which one might be your favorite, as I'm in the market for a new plane! I've been hoping for a bush version of the Valiant, but thats not gonna happen...
I have a turbo Timber and I will say that while putting the slats on did a bit to reduce its aerobatic performance, it did hell quite a bit with the slow speed performance. Have you tried putting them on? You’ll likely find a big different in the STOL performance if you do
Great video. Definitely changing my prop. My question is if i force update the receiver . That will strip the as3x. Would i be able to get the unrestricted throw?
Hi, what cone is suitable when using a 13x4 propeller if the original drift remains? With the current setup, the motor and esc are horribly hot. well thank you
I got this before I knew how to fly and decided to get a umx to practice I got the first one I found which was a damaged umx sukhoi that I repaired with egg cartons and had trouble flying because it's motor is lacking thrust bc it's burnt out since the plane is 13 years old l. I learned tho and now I can fly😊
Do you live near Beaverton Oregon by chance? This is one of the best reviews I’ve seen on this plane! I bought one long ago but haven’t flown it yet haha. I still got my maule that I’ve fallen in love with.
just maidened mine but i noticed that the flaps need a huge amount of down elevator to the point that i couldn't even push the nose down with full elevator down at full flaps. i also still have as3x enabled and the links connected to the outer holes on the elevator and rudder. do the flaps really need that much elevator down or is the trim wrong on my plane?
@@TailHeavyProductions so far the elevator didn't move at all with the flaps because i forgot to check if that's already programmed into the RX or if i have to do it manually :x
Great Review & Summation! New information to ponder. If I may>>>>>: Have and are you using the stock Spektrum servos as out of the box? Any problems with the original hinges in those foam wings? Have you used any mixes (other than factory flap setup) in your model? Thanks!!!!
Thank you! Great questions. -We've had zero issues using the stock servos with how we have been flying it. We haven't had a single servo fail between our two Timber Evolutions we've had over the last year. -No issues with any hinges. -No mixing aside from flap/elevator. We haven't found that we needed mixes to successfully fly it the way we do. Hope this helps. -Zach
I gave my timber the springs from the timber X which are much stronger and ive had them on 3 timbers so far without them failing but they only ever come with the timber X in the box
@@EvilDxtreme Ah I'm with ya now, your original comment said "get the spine" which threw me off LOL. All accessories we use with any plane we review are in our video descriptions. 👍
*Update: after extensive flying (bush/pattern/3D/etc) over hundreds of flights on two Turbo Timber Evolutions, there’s two reasons we no longer suggest this airplane. 1: We rarely fly them anymore since the FunCub NG effectively replaced the Timber as our go to current production bush plane. 2: The Timber Evo has an legit Achilles heal in addition to the gear springs…the plastic motor mount. After lots of flying, nose overs, prop strikes, etc, the plastic motor mount eventually fatigues and will crack and break. Once this happens, the fuselage is totaled because there is no replacement motor mount - you have to buy an entirely new fuselage. Check out our review on the FunCub NG as a great alternative.*
And i just bought TTE 2 days before i saw your video on FunCub NG. Also heard someone had probldm with mount...it disconected from plane during flight.
FunCub seems similar on paper to FMS P18 1300mm.
Unfortunately they really aren’t that similar from a feel in flight standpoint. The FMS is literally twice as heavy wing cube loading wise and less capable from an acro standpoint as well.
when ever you talk about rc planes you sound like you are a airliner pilot
love your content!:)@@TailHeavyProductions
Does the UMX turbo timber have issues with the motor mount?
no@@ButtNLint
You guys should make a top 5 (or 10?) bush planes video, going into all the criteria you use to rank them and how they compare to each other. It's kind of a small niche, but I think that video would be a banger!
I got the Timber X as my "After trainer". It had very similar issues, and that battery hatch on the bottom was ass, but it was also a great plane. I designed and 3-D printed a small bracket to keep the gear from ground roll, or bouncing inward to hard, after the original clips broke off.
Would you be interested in sharing the STL for this print? I believe it may be the solution to the issues I've been having there
Best review of the Turbo Timber Evolution on UA-cam by far! Living in Southern Africa I’ve been shopping between the Timber X and Evolution but gotta say this video sold me on the Evolution for it’s STOL and backward thrust capabilities. Definitely going to get the extra springs and prop, thanks for that!
Worth noting that the Night Timber X also has reversing. I've owned both and I think prefer the X
Thank you! You'll enjoy it! As Just Stolling Around noted - reverse thrust is included as an option with any PNP/BNF Horizon airplane that has a SMART esc combined with a Spektrum TX+RX. Have fun! -Zach
Excellent video guys!!!
All rc planes reviews should be as insightful as this one .
Thank you.
Thanks for another great video! As a noob, I really enjoy your approach to rc keeping it fun and challenging. Your insight and advice has been really helpful. Thanks!
I made a duct tape firewall ram air mod under the front cowling to force more air under the battery and over the esc. I almost never get heat warnings anymore. Hot day and 200' power climb from hover will still piss it off. I am definitely going to switch to your recommendation of prop. Still my favorite plane I have. Wish it had the steering style servoes in the flots like my fms floats.
Heck yeah sweet guys! Such an amazing video as always! Keep them up. I’m addicted to the format you make your videos in! 😂 I’m just getting started with mine as you know…😂 can’t wait to fly it like you guys do! I will definitely use your setup tips as well as that new prop soon! Flying it tonight! Thanks!!!
Just got one after flying an UMX spot cub S2 for a month plus some realflight practice, I wanted to go bigger. Love it so far ! However I could not use reverse thrust as i'm using an old DX7S that doesn't support forward programming, and I don't have a program box yet. i'll probably upgrade my transmitter soon so I can have telemetry and reverse thrust, it is a must when flying in tight spaces I think.
My timber x came with the most oblong tires ever....when I taxi it looked like it was a 64 Impala hitting switches.....literally 1 day if flying and I had to pull the trigger and get some dubros
I added an aluminum plate in in my old timber (non turbo) and used small machine screws and nuts to hold my gear plate on instead of the stock screws plus a thin stainless steel plate on the outside.
Also replaced wheels with inflatable 5 in tires from an X fly Glastar from Castle hobbies.
I've been having so many overheating issues with this plane (even after moving the ESC forward etc as Horizon suggest, actually that made hardly any difference) I was getting constant telemetry alarms for overheating with the stock prop after about 4 mins flight. I couldn't fly the plane the way I wanted which was very frustrating. I followed your advice and switched to a 13x4 and wow, what a difference. I've been pushing it harder than I ever have, prop hanging etc and it just sits at +-70 degrees Celsius. I feel like I have a new plane. Thanks a lot.
You sold me on something I didn't need. Great job!!!
If you guys reviewed airplanes, this would be the channel I would use. The easily understandable and smooth voice along with the plethora of useful information makes you much better than the review sites that like to show off their flying skills while providing little information. I'd start with the most popular to date and the latest popular releases. I am going to subscribe to watch for this and see if your subscriptions go through the roof as I suspect.
Thanks, Dave!
Just love your videos! Keep up the good work :) I ordered a TT Evo after watching your videos. Looking forward to get her up in the air :)
Just bought this plane, with lots of extra goodies, thanks to TBRC. I'm gonna leave it in the box till I'm a little more skilled tho, as I'm still a noob. Great video! Thanks!
We don't see any reason to leave this plane in the box as a beginner. We've even taught people how to fly with it.
I enjoy your videos. Very informative. The Evo is my second plane. I am way down on the food chain when it comes to piloting. Too many bad landings and broken springs. I designed and built my own gear with an inch of vertical travel. More forgiving and easily repaired. Heavier yes. The trade off is better for me.I also built an air scoop below and just behind the cowl. Directing air straight at the ESC. I wish I could share but I'm not savvy at that.
Hello there dear gentleman, what a great, and high-quality review! I just have a quick question, Is there a reason you guys opted to forgo using the slats?
Thank you! Take a peak at the video description for the full info on our take on the slats. 👍
First video without your tag... Great video!!
I just bought one of these things. I am a warbird guy and will not be flying the piss out of my timber like you do here! Nice normal scale flying for me. I pulled that Spektrum garbage receiver out and got rid of it as soon as the plane came out of the box. I had bad luck with my old DX6 and DX8 about 10 years ago, so I will never trust Spektrum again. I switched to FlySky and never looked back. it was nice tho because I sold the receiver to some guy at the field for $100! So it sure helped drop the price on the plane! I only have about 5 flights on it so far and it is a nice plane. Crazy to see what you guys do with this thing! I will absolutely change the Prop as you recommend. I fly on 4000 mah 3s and get about 12 minute flights out of it. Just discovered your channel today so I will sub. Thanks for the vid!
For your reference I have been flying spektrum only gear (minus batteries and chargers) all around since early 2000's and never had any failures of anything except crash damage.
My current IX12 radio is slow as crap to load, but thats about it. I have owned dozens of spektrum foam models mostly warbirds, zero issues and still flying some that are long out of production.
I also own some freewing models (jets mostly) from Motion RC which is awesome, and they are better quality foam and mechanicals but so so electronics.
FMS which horizon bought out and incorporated are total garbage foam and even worse electronics, sold off the few FMS warbirds I had and will never touch another.
Have had the Wheel and Hub separate on my TTEvo. Only got it this year around June.
I love my timber evo, I just started flying last year and it was my 3rd rc plane still looks brand new except buying a ton of landing gear springs and going through idk how many 11x7-3 props but I spoiled myself because now I can’t find a bnf I want more than this thing. I just bought a 1/4 scale bud nosen Cessna 310 10ft wing span and I still like my evo more
My timber is my favorite airplane I have ever flown
Just got this plane last week did the maiden over the weekend with wheels and then threw the floats on it Sunday and did my first water ops what a blast. An absolutely awesome plane 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
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Very nice model I loved it. Greetings from Buenos Aires .
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Well put together video.
Nice review considering I just brought one home Saturday
Cool plane. I just have strong reservations about buying anything from HH given their constant OOS issues and long wait times to get replacement parts.
Seriously, I’m on my way to Freewing at motionRc because they do much better at this.
It’s hit and miss for sure. Iv got some good stuff but also had a nightmare with my blade 330s being junk from factory. And my NX10 had to go back to the facTory 3 times but still won’t connect to WiFi and telemetry still doesn’t work with anything I got even though it suposably came with it on board the helicopter and my plane
@@poker8193 dude just get a tx16s
@@poker8193 have you updated software for TX from spectrum site?
any good a productive company will have wait times its just part of the hobbie now. To put it simply do you eant a peice of crap fast or a quality product in 3-4 months. I find the best thing to do is find a big local hobbie store and order though their wait list if item's not in stock you'll get a relistic wait time and because they bulk order you'll get it faster than if you ordered it yourself. Given I'm in Australia Horizon is in America I waited 10 weeks for my TT Evolution 100% worth the wait, same hobbie currently has heaps of spares in stock for it aswell.
Our club has about 8 members that have them. Problem after problem. Overheating, Motor replacements and melted motor mounts etc. Its a good trainer but ya cant push it. Try to do an outside loop. lol. Great review.
What nobody told me is that you can’t use a DX8e for reverse thrust. All I was told was that you need an 8 channel transmitter to do it, but come to find out the DX8e isn’t compatible with it for some odd reason
I own one of these and there are several that frequent my local airfield. One had a servo tear off the inner fuselage, killing the elevator. So there’s some non existent QA on properly mounting servos. I’ve also seen one owner loose the ailerons as a servo burnt out. The overheating is just really poor design. We find removing the spring pins on each end helps a lot. It’s fun to learn on but they really cut a lot of corners producing these things. I’ll be swapping the prop soon to get more run time
nice review, i have maiden a couple at my field. so really didn't get to see what all it would do its nice to know without the AS3X Rx you can make it more of a 3d plane. those stock moments are kinda limited i was sad to see there is no adjustments on the ailerons to get more seemed to be some type of in the wing hook up. Also think this is the first i have heard about the prop change but makes sense. also yes those springs on the gear suck not sure why they changed it from the stock Timber X and Night timber x i owned both and never had a spring break. a club member has broken 2 sets and finally he just went to hardware store and got regular springs and rigged it up and its been fine.
Great review! Love the footage!
I have this plane and only disappointment was that the reverse thrust does not work with Futaba receiver and transmitter. Apparantly you really need a Spektrum setup to get this to work. But overall it is a very nice plane to fly and i am very happy with it as my first airplane :-)
radiomaster radios with 4 in 1 multi protocol module can do forward programming easy. ive setup thrust reverse on TTE 1.5 and slow ultra stick using radiomaster tx16s mkii (4in1 internal) / edgetx and the zorro too. can also fwd program the safe mode / stabilization(as3x) only / and no stabilization flight modes on a 3 position switch to the receiver in the same fashion. works beautifully.
It is clearly our favorite plane!
Great review! I agree on the springs ive been patiently waiting for my new set to come in i should probably order another
@Jack C Dunman Thanks for the sensible tip, I've just cut mine. Was amazed how strong the wire is, I couldn't cut with snippers had to use a dremel. Even though the springs are bent hopefully they will now last a while. Was going to remove them from the plane to cut but thought might struggle to reinstall them. Once removed it's obvious that they were doing the restriction. You've saved me buying new springs, thank you very much.
I'm curious, I wonder how they put them together? the clips go round each other where you can't see. Now I can't help but wonder why the clips were there, all they'd do is restrict the spring- sort of a paradox. Thanks again!
Great flying and tips . Thanks .
Best! thank you so much,, fun fun fun!
I'd like to see some vintage RC planes flying and maybe a link to this plane in the description
Use the wing slats changes the stol capabilities of the plane. I'm leaving mine off for now aswell but I plan to by another set to install the slats on.
Check out our video description for why we didn't use them. 👍
I'd really like to see what you guys would do with an Aeroscout. I've flown more in the past 3 months that I've had it than I did in the 3 years prior. Just an absolute blast, very wide speed envelope, surprisingly precise and aerobatic, and it's capable of some STOL flying also.
It’s a great plane for sure! We fly them often at our local club instructing students and definitely enjoy them. We have been chatting about reviewing one at some point so stay tuned. -Zach
Best commercial ever!:)
Great flight footage..!!
Great review agree with everything u said
Great review! I picked one up a few weeks ago based off of your other videos and and really loving it! 2 questions though… 1. Do you know if you can use the reverse thrust if you don’t use a spectrum receiver? I’m using a Radiomaster receiver. 2. What is the best bush plane that you can buy today (you said you think think the timber evo, is more of a Jack of all trades). Thanks for the info and keep up the awesome videos! One of my new favorite channels!!
Thanks! That's a great question. I believe that in order to utilize the SMART functionality of the Spektrum ESC, you do need Spektrum TX and RX hardware. Hobby King does sell some reversing ESC's that have a separate plug that's signal only so you can use it with any radio on a two-position switch.
The best purpose-designed bush plane in our eyes will always be the OG Fun Cub, but it's no longer produced.
As of now, out of all US manufacturers, we'd argue the best STOL plane on the market is the 1300mm FMS Super Cub, despite its higher weight. We do want to give the Multiplex Fun Cub NG a shot, though, which is produced in Germany. We think it would be crowned the winner but can't say until we try it. Hard to get in the US, though. -Zach
Very nice review fellas!
I have heard that the twin timber landing gear will fit on the turbo timber, any comments, I am gonna give it a try
Yes
Super nice plane, need to get one
Two questions:
1. When moving the servo control arms to inner holes on the controls surface side, did you need to adjust gains or any other parameters when making this change to have safe or as3x work correctly? A video on this would be great!
2. Is there a 2 blade 11" or 12" prop that would work just as well as the 13x4? I'd like a little more scale look and less chance of prop strike since I'd like to use a wood prop. I'm thinking 11x5 or 12x4.5?
We aren't familiar as we don't use AS3X or SAFE, sorry.
Prop strikes are never an issue with the 13x4. I'd solely suggest that prop.
@@TailHeavyProductionsThanks, I noticed you're using a grey 13x4, is this the APC sport or thin prop? Or is the eflite one in your description the preferred prop? Thanks!
Doesn't matter which brand as long as it's a 13x4 - note the sport props should be marked as "nitro only" aka not electric.
Another cool video guys👍👍👍👍
I bust the springs on my maiden flite the landing wasn't that hard luckily I had some spair from my old Timber & I haven't had a problem since
What a great review. I’ve had my original Timber for 6 years and zero issues so far. If anything after a while it gets a little boring to fly, no bad tendencies at all. Sometimes horizon makes a great product and then ruins it with future versions. Like the UMX Vapor “HP” which flew horribly compared with the original one.
My TT floated on landing so set up crow on my TT and it slowed down very nicely.
Floating on landing is caused by too fast of an approach speed - with landing flaps or even without, she will get slower than you'd think!
Can you do a review on Draco too?
We’ve actually had a few flights on a friend’s Draco. Our first impressions with the raw data both wing loading and flight wise was that it was a little heavy for what we’d want to use it for. For that reason, we don’t intend to get one anytime soon. -Zach
Have a draco agree that is a heavy bird
Great video - I really like your bush-flying ones. I bought an Evo, having had the original Timber before, and was unexpectedly slightly disappointed. You mention it in the video - it is just a little too 'floaty' and I couldn't get to land as short as a Tundra or Funcub, or the original Timber. Still a great plane - I wish I had thought try the 13x4 prop switch - that sounds great for more torque and less ESC load.
Thank you! We never did mention that it was "floaty" but that it can't get as slow because of the higher wing loading. "Floaty" is a term synonymous with a light airplane, not a heavy one. The only way to ensure the SLOWEST possible speed before reaching the airplane's 1G critical angle of attack would be to keep it as LIGHT as possible which is why we use the 2200mah 4s. It's the same philosophy even up to airliners - the heavier we are, the higher our approach speed, and the lighter, the lower. It scales down to RC, too. -Zach
@@TailHeavyProductions Thanks Zach. Yes, "floaty" was the wrong term. I just couldn't get the Evo to slow down as well as the others. Your info on the wing loading comparison between Evo and Funcub was really helpful. I like your other Funcub videos and have recently bought one - it's amazing just how light it is.
I have the older one and as a beginner could take some tips out of this! Saddly I already ordered some spare 3 blade props... But I have 12x4 (E-Flite) and some 12x6. I will try them too :) But after a couple of hard landings I´m training with a UMX Sport Cub for not have to glue something every weekend :P
Awesome review. I would like to see a review on the Tundra and hear how it compares.
I've owned both. The Tundra is really hard to beat, and also has the reversing feature.
I put a tundra together this afternoon. Can't wait to fly it, but I fly nothing like these guys.
Sadly to say I got one of the first updated Turbos out. It's still in the box. What happened is a wild B-Day present to myself story caused by a company my buddy is overly friendly with produced a limited run of his custom made replica Bi Plane he takes to shows which I think is American Shearson. They were primarily built in the early 1930's for crop dusting but the rest were lost in WWI. This thing is not a foam body plane it's an ABS body Gas motor plane. So what's my point? Once I started taking the pieces out of the box I laid the pieces together and it is a spectacular sight to see the thing unassembled and as I was putting it together naturally I needed a motor this that the other thing typical custom style kit plane. It did come with Futaba servos beautiful job they did on mounts for the servos and stuff so off I went yesterday to a distant Hobby Store called TRAINS & LANES NEAR NAZRETH/BETHLEHEM TWSP PENNSYLVANIA for my B-Day present to myself I bought the radio and engine plastic fuel line. When I got to the cash register I was up over $550 dollars and had to stop for gas for my truck which was another $109.00 so to say the least the Turbo is going to have wait in its box until dad has a few extra pesos. But the color scheme of this Bi Plane is awesome out of the box the parts and pieces just grab hold of your eye balls. I may decide to just hang this in my office after all that maybe only fly it on special occasions. It is that gorgeous. The Shearson Biplane was the first Biplane to have an enclosed pilot space. When it was used in WWI they used it primarily to drop bombs not as a fighter after all it was built as a commercial crop duster not a fighter plane. As far as I know Tony Palidino has the only one in existence. Although his technically not truly a replica almost every piece of the aged plane has so far been removed. About the only OEM pieces that still exist on it are the original landing struts the metal pieces of the tail wheel probably the metal cabin floor with the seating mounts and the metal engine cradle the motor sits in. The rest of it was all wooden and mostly it was all replaced because of age & fatigue.
Excellent, comprehensive video. I have one to assemble in the near future. When using flaps, especially for approach and landing, does it require down-elevator input to compensate to the extent that a mix in the transmitter is required ?
Great review, thanks
Great video man I love my timber Evo. I fly up in the lakes region. You should check out our field sometime. Winnepesaukee radio controllers is the name of the club.
Ever run wooden props ?
I’m old school and like wood but never tried putting one on a foam electric olane
Awesome Review! Planning on this one for my second, quickly outgrowing the Carbon Cub S2. Could you please let me know which prop and spinner? (Spinner, 2 Blade: UMX Timber Item No.E-flite - EFLU3958, APC-Landing Products - APCLP13040) Will these fit? Thanks
Not a word about the slats. Did you try them? I won't worry about the springs. It'll strictly fly off water. My UMX Turbo Timber is a fun slow flier. But I installed the slats.
Check out the video description 👍🙂
@@TailHeavyProductions Whoomph. There it is! 😊 Transport will involve a 50 ft walk to the dock, so that's not an issue. I'll try both ways. They may not work as well at this scale, but if they add enough lift to offset their added weight that will work for my style flying. Thanks!
So, other than a Fun Cub, in your opinion, what is the best "Bush Plane?" I fly my Flite Test Bushwacker through paths and around trees just fine.
It's not that black and white. You can fly a Timber Evo around trees fine too - as long as there is a bit more room. The Fun Cub is over a pound lighter which means it can fly in even narrower and tighter spots than the Timber could since it's the same size but weighs way less (lower 1G stall speed). The Fun Cub NG is the only current market airplane in its size class that is as light as it is. There's no comparing - especially to the OG. We generally recommend either of those if budget permits, and then if not - the FMS 1300mm Super Cub as a good budget starter bush plane (but much heavier and not as slow).
I didn't ever notice the slats, did you not use them? They make a pretty big difference.
We didn't use the slots, no, check out the video description for why. We tend to disagree on them making a difference in a positive way.
Great review, thanks!
However you say it is not suitable for a beginner... what would then be your best advice of choice for a beginner?
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! We’d give the E-Flite Aeroscout or Sport Cub S a try. 👍
I started with a sport cub S2, it isn't anything crazy to fly, but it does give you a great sense of how an RC plane works ! and also, it is hard to break.. flew mine in a loop full speed directly to the ground on grass, not even a scratch.. After a month I went for a turbo timber evolution and can fly it easily ! I still use SAFE on landings just to make sure I don't bank it too much close to the ground, but you can easily flip it on and off on a switch !
What did you guys do for a spinner with the new apc prop??
Timber X
You guys should try the new multiplex fun cub and see how it compares to the original
Yesssss another video!!! And why do I get one hmmmm
I really like your channel. I just can't buy another e-file again all my birds were damaged in box, and two out of the last four were so bad it couldn't be flown. My first turbo timber Evo was one of my favorite planes. My last one bad engine, and aileron servo. I decided to end my relationship with HH and fly balsa/nitro. Much happier with the planes
Where did you get the nose cone for a 2 bladed prop?
Check out the video description 👍
Thoughts on the wing slats? Maybe slow down the stall speed a bit? Thanks! Just put mine together with some beefy aftermarket landing gear complete with oil filled shocks 😂
Check out the video description for our thoughts on the slats 👍🙂
Next time I’ll read the entire video description 😅
I think I am gonna like mine once I get it together that is. What type of radio is that besides a really expensive one??? it looks expensive. I do not think mine came with a radio I could be wrong.
Thanks for a great 1-year review. You mentioned this isn't your favorite bush plane, so I'm wondering which one might be your favorite, as I'm in the market for a new plane! I've been hoping for a bush version of the Valiant, but thats not gonna happen...
As of now, the 1300mm FMS Super Cub fits the bill for best bush plane for the money that can take some decent abuse.
u should by the twisted hobbies madbull, its insane!! You'll love it
I own a TT Evo, great video. Where can I find the spinner for the 2 bladed prop?
Thanks! All info is in the video description
How about putting a link for the prop and spinner you used. I can't find the right spinner to work with the 13x4 prop
All links are in the video description. 👍
You guys never mounted the slats, I'm curious of your thoughts!
Check out the video description for our thoughts on slats. 👍
I think this is my next airplane ✈️
I have a turbo Timber and I will say that while putting the slats on did a bit to reduce its aerobatic performance, it did hell quite a bit with the slow speed performance. Have you tried putting them on? You’ll likely find a big different in the STOL performance if you do
Check out our video description for more info. 👍
Great video. Definitely changing my prop. My question is if i force update the receiver . That will strip the as3x. Would i be able to get the unrestricted throw?
Thanks! You would, yep. 👍
What size spinner did you use when switching to the 13x4 prop??
All info is in the video description
Hi, what cone is suitable when using a 13x4 propeller if the original drift remains? With the current setup, the motor and esc are horribly hot. well thank you
Hey Peter! I'm not sure I understand your question. If you mean spinner, check out the part number EFL5262.
I turned off the gyro on one flight mode with factory receiver and can use over 100 on all throws as long as AS3X is off on that mode
I got this before I knew how to fly and decided to get a umx to practice
I got the first one I found which was a damaged umx sukhoi that I repaired with egg cartons and had trouble flying because it's motor is lacking thrust bc it's burnt out since the plane is 13 years old l. I learned tho and now I can fly😊
What spinner do I need to run a 13x4 prop?
Grate tech video
Hey can we please have a review of the Eflite Maule? I am looking at getting either this or that. Thanks
Get the Timber, we'll save you the trouble. 👍 -Zach
Thanks!
Do you live near Beaverton Oregon by chance? This is one of the best reviews I’ve seen on this plane! I bought one long ago but haven’t flown it yet haha. I still got my maule that I’ve fallen in love with.
Thank you! 💙 We do not, no.
As for the Landing gear, I have a set of replacement gear coming to my etsy store soon, its far more robust
You guys in King County? Or Pierce?
just maidened mine but i noticed that the flaps need a huge amount of down elevator to the point that i couldn't even push the nose down with full elevator down at full flaps. i also still have as3x enabled and the links connected to the outer holes on the elevator and rudder. do the flaps really need that much elevator down or is the trim wrong on my plane?
I'd triple check that you have the elevator moving the right way with flaps. Definitely not something we've ever had to do, no. -Zach
@@TailHeavyProductions so far the elevator didn't move at all with the flaps because i forgot to check if that's already programmed into the RX or if i have to do it manually :x
Great Review & Summation! New information to ponder. If I may>>>>>:
Have and are you using the stock Spektrum servos as out of the box?
Any problems with the original hinges in those foam wings?
Have you used any mixes (other than factory flap setup) in your model?
Thanks!!!!
Thank you! Great questions.
-We've had zero issues using the stock servos with how we have been flying it. We haven't had a single servo fail between our two Timber Evolutions we've had over the last year.
-No issues with any hinges.
-No mixing aside from flap/elevator. We haven't found that we needed mixes to successfully fly it the way we do.
Hope this helps. -Zach
Will you make video about the super timber? 😮
Don't plan to
How the the Timber Evolution compare to the UMX Timber Turbo as a park flyer?
The UMX Turbo Timber can be flown in a basketball court - whereas the Timber Evolution can be flown on a football field. Hope that helps.
I gave my timber the springs from the timber X which are much stronger and ive had them on 3 timbers so far without them failing but they only ever come with the timber X in the box
The replacement part for springs is the exact same part number for the Timber X as it is for the Evolution, just something to note for sure.
Fascinating
Where did you get the spine for the two bladed prop?
Not sure I understand your question.
@@TailHeavyProductions The Timber evo comes with a tri-blade prop. I'm looking for a spinner that will fit the bi-blade.
@@EvilDxtreme Ah I'm with ya now, your original comment said "get the spine" which threw me off LOL. All accessories we use with any plane we review are in our video descriptions. 👍
Amazing what you guys can do with rc planes. Just getting into 'bush rc flying'. Great videos. Thanks!
Thanks, it's fun stuff - enjoy it!
Any recommendations for a good first larger rc plane if you suggest this one as a second?
Check out the E-Flite Aeroscout or Sport Cub S 👍
@@TailHeavyProductions thanks for the suggestion!