The Father is God to all. However the "trinity" if you will is more like a triangle with the Father at the apex. The bottom right corner is Yeshua, and the bottom left corner is the Holy Spirit. The heavenly host is inside the triangle. God the Father gives authority to the Son to act as God to us. If you do not understand authority designation you need to read the OT anywhere the Angel of the Lord is used. There is no dissension between any of those in heaven. The three act in unison as the one true God. God in this understanding is a concert of the three. Imagine if you will the perfect family. You know that if you designate to your son the authority to go do something that it will be accomplished exactly as you want it done. Would you then deny anything to him to do? No.. Does he have your ring of authority to do what you asked? yes.. and so in essence he is acting as if you are there. And so it is with the "trinity". I do not particularly like that name because it seems to represent equal responsibility and that is not the case. The Father is God of all. He holds ultimate authority and for example is the only one of the three that knows the day and the hour that the age of grace will end and the great tribulation will begin. It is not idolatry to worship Yeshua. It pleased the Father that the fullness of that rests in him. Do you understand Psalms 110:1? A Psalm of David. The LORD said to my Lord, Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. If Yeshua is only a servant, would the Father have stated for him to sit as his right hand until he made Yeshua's enemies his footstool? How about Isaiah 7:14 14, Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Immanuel means "God with us". The ring of authority means that whoever bears the ring wields the authority of the ring owner. Yeshua has the ring of God his Father and can act as God the Father in the earth. Do you understand this verse as well? 1 Colossians 1:14-19 14, In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15, Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16, For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17, And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18, And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19, For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell; Take special note vs. 16 and 19.
Bill you said "the Lord Jesus Christ." As "Christ" is from greek (translitterated so it still sounds mysterious and religious) word "christos" meaning to anoint, anointed, anointed one etc (depending on context) Then you are saying "the Lord Jesus anointed." which obviously means someone to do something, be something, a king to be or perhaps a high priest who is not a levitical priest but perhaps one of say a different order.... like Melchezedic for e.g. (so folks dont get confused with levitical priests, i.e. no longer purely jewish in nature, but one outside jewish law.) An anointed one, and obviously an anointed son of MAN. Just said that to interest, stir up, your trinitarian critics. Today i sign myself "el gibbor." (because i have had a few days where trinitarians have been poking at me with Isaiah9:6.) LOL.
I see by your name you hold to the new birth. As do I. Heres a thought. As Paul tells us in Ephesians and elsewhere that we, though still in earthen vessels, are called to be Sons of God, then perhaps Jesus our head and elder brother was at the time the "only begotten son of God" and he was raised to glory, first born of many brothers, then as we have become sons of God by the "new birth" (something angels longed to see) then we too are NOW also "Begotten sons of God?" It is written, Jesus is first up from the dead, first of many brothers.
You are a refreshment for me who more than 12 years thought that I'm gone out of my mind thinking the same as you are talking in your videos.. thanks to God that he comforts us through such people as you and gives even more insight concerning this matter. Shalom be with you..
When you have your eyes opened about the trinity lie, it's very difficult to see how the trinity idea could have possibly come about. That there is only one God, the Father, is so obvious. It's very difficult to read any passage in the Bible, especially the New Testament, where this fact is not made patently clear: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (John 17:3)
I think this aspect you point out is that we really do face a spiritual bunch of enemies, as Paul points out in Eph6, and they brain fog us in our reading and thinking. Unless we do consciously put on the whole armour, all the time. i agree it was easy to be a trinitaroan, i was for 4 decades, but once you see... its astounding how you never saw the truth before.
The trinity is not as far from truth as you believe though I can understand your confusion about it. The Father is God to all. However the "trinity" if you will is more like a triangle with the Father at the apex. The bottom right corner is Yeshua, and the bottom left corner is the Holy Spirit. The heavenly host is inside the triangle. God the Father gives authority to the Son to act as God to us. If you do not understand authority designation you need to read the OT anywhere the Angel of the Lord is used. There is no dissension between any of those in heaven. The three act in unison as the one true God. God in this understanding is a concert of the three. Imagine if you will the perfect family. You know that if you designate to your son the authority to go do something that it will be accomplished exactly as you want it done. Would you then deny anything to him to do? No.. Does he have your ring of authority to do what you asked? yes.. and so in essence he is acting as if you are there. And so it is with the "trinity". I do not particularly like that name because it seems to represent equal responsibility and that is not the case. The Father is God of all. He holds ultimate authority and for example is the only one of the three that knows the day and the hour that the age of grace will end and the great tribulation will begin.
@@chrissingletary2876 This is confusing Trinitarian philosophical false doctrine based on Greek philosophy and cherry picked scriptures and not on clear biblical teaching.
Bill makes a number of excellent points. Personally, I think much of the confusion results from the substitution of the divine name YHWH with the term LORD. Even with the Septuagint we find copies with the divine name still written in ancient Hebrew.
Last week I had a discussion with 5+ trinitarians at once on Discord.... and none of them understood that LORD is YHWH and lord/Lord is our Master Jesus the annointed.
The Father is God to all. However the "trinity" if you will is more like a triangle with the Father at the apex. The bottom right corner is Yeshua, and the bottom left corner is the Holy Spirit. The heavenly host is inside the triangle. God the Father gives authority to the Son to act as God to us. If you do not understand authority designation you need to read the OT anywhere the Angel of the Lord is used. There is no dissension between any of those in heaven. The three act in unison as the one true God. God in this understanding is a concert of the three. Imagine if you will the perfect family. You know that if you designate to your son the authority to go do something that it will be accomplished exactly as you want it done. Would you then deny anything to him to do? No.. Does he have your ring of authority to do what you asked? yes.. and so in essence he is acting as if you are there. And so it is with the "trinity". I do not particularly like that name because it seems to represent equal responsibility and that is not the case. The Father is God of all. He holds ultimate authority and for example is the only one of the three that knows the day and the hour that the age of grace will end and the great tribulation will begin.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 You do not know of what you speak. Yes, Yeshua is prominent to us.. but we pray to God the Father and end the prayer in Yeshua's name. That is how he taught the disciples to pray. Mathew 6:9 9, After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name However, Acts 4:10-12 sums up alot.. 10, Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him does this man stand here before you whole. 11, This is the stone which was set at nothing of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12, Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. So you either understand this or you don't. I think you have a problem with Yeshua primarily..
"You rang m' Lord?" England has a "House of Lords." And up till he died a few years back here in New Zealand "Lord" Elworthy flew about in the air near my home, in a little yellow Tiger Moth biplane. Oh lordy, its so hard for some.
I love the LSB. I wish someone would translate the NT with Yahweh where it is meant and Lord Messiah where it is meant. The main problem is that trinitarians think Jesus is God, a God, or a third of God. However, most of them worship Jesus as their God. Idolatry.
Thomas called Jesus "Lord and My God". Jesus also said in the gospels I go to your God and my God. The Father also said " this is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased"
@@johngray9035 No, Thomas didn't call Jesus "My Lord and my God"..... read the text again. Thomas ANSWERED the evidence Jesus provided. The question being addressed in the context is that Thomas was questioning whether YHVH God had raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus proves that God had raised him from the dead, and Thomas' answer praises BOTH beings.
@@johngray9035what point are you making above? you seem to state a trinity verse, then you state two verses supporting unitarian view, so i guess the first one "Lord AND God" is you showing the two God and the man Jesus. Have i got you? a non trinitarian?
The Father is God to all. However the "trinity" if you will is more like a triangle with the Father at the apex. The bottom right corner is Yeshua, and the bottom left corner is the Holy Spirit. The heavenly host is inside the triangle. God the Father gives authority to the Son to act as God to us. If you do not understand authority designation you need to read the OT anywhere the Angel of the Lord is used. There is no dissension between any of those in heaven. The three act in unison as the one true God. God in this understanding is a concert of the three. Imagine if you will the perfect family. You know that if you designate to your son the authority to go do something that it will be accomplished exactly as you want it done. Would you then deny anything to him to do? No.. Does he have your ring of authority to do what you asked? yes.. and so in essence he is acting as if you are there. And so it is with the "trinity". I do not particularly like that name because it seems to represent equal responsibility and that is not the case. The Father is God of all. He holds ultimate authority and for example is the only one of the three that knows the day and the hour that the age of grace will end and the great tribulation will begin. It is not idolatry to worship Yeshua. It pleased the Father that the fullness of that rests in him. Do you understand Psalms 110:1? A Psalm of David. The LORD said to my Lord, Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. If Yeshua is only a servant, would the Father have stated for him to sit as his right hand until he made Yeshua's enemies his footstool? How about Isaiah 7:14 14, Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Immanuel means "God with us". The ring of authority means that whoever bears the ring wields the authority of the ring owner. Yeshua has the ring of God his Father and can act as God the Father in the earth. Do you understand this verse as well? 1 Colossians 1:14-19 14, In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15, Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16, For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17, And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18, And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19, For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell; Take special note vs. 16 and 19.
OT KJV: the LORD= Yahweh. the LORD God= Yahweh God. the Lord GOD= the Lord Yahweh. Proper translation of Ps 110:1 Yahweh said to my lord [Messiah], “Sit at My right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”
I think this "Lord" issue is one of the more difficult ones for people who may be reading the Scriptures and coming to the realization that Jesus has a God and that they've been misled. It seems like the book of Acts uses this word "Lord" sometimes for God and sometimes for Jesus, which can be confusing since we do not have the tetragrammaton in the NT. I'd love to hear your thoughts on some of the Acts passages, Bill.
To understand the usages of Lord in the NT, one needs to understand how to differentiate between LORD God (YHVH) or Lord (Adon) in the Hebrew. The Greek LXX illustrates this translation from the Hebrew to Greek very well. The Greek generalizes and lumps together the various Hebrew names and titles given to God if the form of "Theos" and "Kurios." So reading the context in the passage and overall context of the Bible is important. For example, in the Greek LXX, in Psalms 82:6, human judges are called "Theos" in the Greek, translated from the Hebrew title "elohim." Which, by the way, Psalms 82:6 is the OT verse that Jesus referenced in explaining to those who were trying to accuse him of making himself out to be a god in John 10:34-36.
I posted this to his meme. “Lord” is kyrios in the Greek in Romans 10:9. In the context Paul draws from Joel 2:32 in Romans 10:13 (ESV) For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord [kyrios] will be saved.” Paul is quoting Joel 2:32 while referencing Jesus Christ, but “Lord” in Joel 2:32 is YHWH, thus indicating that Jesus is YHWH. Joel 2:32 (ESV) And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD [YHWH] shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls.
If you want to do word comparisons to prove things then what about where Jesus says to Peter.. "Getr behind me satan!" See. This shows in Jesus own clear words that Peter is the Devil. meaning if you extrapolete it out that the first Pope of the catholic church was the devil himself.... I jest. You cant do exegesis by comparisons to prove your theology.
Both John 20:28 and Psalm 35:23 share a similar declaration made by King David and Thomas, respectively. In both instances, they refer to the same “My Lord and My God,” who is ‘Word YHVH’ also known as YESHUA. Shalom.
Ephesians 1:17 KJV That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
again you missed an important point made by Peter, that now since being raised (Acts2 sermon) that God who was LORD of Israel, has handed the Lordship role to the man Jesus, like Pharaoh did with Joseph in that foreshadow story in genesis. So NOW Jesus is in the position of Lord. Read psm110 for the Adonai and Adon differences of "Lord."
In the New King James Version (NKJV) of the Bible, 1 John 5:7 states, "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one"
God is not ONE, is not TWO, is not THREE. God the Father didn't need to live a REAL TIME relationship with us. That would have been inappropriate. God is in our past, in a distant "God's temporal dimension". From that past temporal dimension He was able to see us into his future and to interact with that future, with us. But this conversely means that we are NOW observed by Him from the past, in other words a "temporal bridge" exists between God and us. Since God actually is not here - He is only "virtually" here - you can say that God is like a spirit here ("God is a spirit" Jn. 4:24), He is the "Spirit of God". This is what happens, but only from our point of view. From God's point of view things are different! He was able to live all his relationships, to do ALL his almighty God's work even before the world started. Since all his work was done, He got rid of his then useless power to become like a normal man: the SON of God, with no power at all “ I from myself AM NOT ABLE to do a thing” (John 5:30). "Son" means He DERIVES from God, He is not an actual son "he who has seen me has seen the Father". All above of course means that - as stated by Jesus - nobody could actually see God: "nobody has seen God at any time" "The world has not known you". This means that the Son of God is ALONE in heaven (TWO Gods cannot exist) Jesus "inherited" it "all things are now in my hands". Jesus is thus the ONLY KING and sits next to the POWER of God because He needs it: He has no OWN power. The Father is in heaven (and here) only in the form of a spirit. Thus, Jesus is NOT the almighty God, yet He is not distinct from Him "I am in the Father and the Father in me" because Jesus WAS that almighty God. This means They are not "TWO distinct Gods", they are not ONE God, i.e. God is more than one and less than two.
If the unipersonal God is in fact _omnipotent,_ then certainly he is capable of "coming down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and manifesting _himself_ on earth in genuine human form........in which case the unipersonal God would be the God of the genuinely human manifestation of the unipersonal God.
_"And without controversy _*_GREAT_*_ is the _*_MYSTERY_*_ of godliness: _*_GOD was manifest in the flesh,_*_ justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."_ (1 Timothy 3:16)
No one disagrees that God has ability beyond our comprehension. But that is not what the Bible is telling us. Multiple times in Jesus' own words declares that he is not God and has a God to whom all credit is given. See John 10:34, John 17:3, John 20:17 for starters.
@@c1arkj None of those verses say Jesus is not God. Only a _carnal minded interpretation_ of those verses would say Jesus is not God.
God - the one _true_ God - *_is_* love (1 John 4:8,16). And the greatest demonstration of love is to lay down one's _own_ life for others (John 15:13). The biblical unitarian "God" did not lay down his own life for anyone, so the biblical unitarian "God" is *not* love.......which means the biblical unitarian "God" is *not* the one true God, but rather a _false_ God.
_"Hereby perceive we _*_the love of GOD,_*_ because _*_HE laid down HIS life for us:_*_ and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren."_ (1 John 3:16)
@@euston2216God showed his LOVE for US by GIVING US HIS BELOVED SON. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16 Jesus laid down his life for us in accordance with God his Heavenly Fathers will.
@@rosemerrynmcmillan1611 But God's only begotten Son is not a person _distinct_ from God. God's only begotten Son *_is_* the invisible God made visible in genuine human form.
_For _*_God_* [the *root* of David] _so loved the world, that he gave_ *_his only begotten Son_* [the *offspring* of David], _that whosoever believeth_ _in _*_*HIM*_* [JESUS, the *root* AND the *offspring* of David] _should not perish, but have everlasting life._
*I JESUS* have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. *I am THE ROOT **_and_** THE OFFSPRING of David,* and the bright and morning star. (Re--ve--la--tion 22:16)
@@euston2216 Wrong. I'll break it down for you... 1. In John 17:3, we read... "3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." Jesus' own declaration on his relationship to God is not of one of a Trinitarian definition. He defines God, and himself as distinct from each other. Jesus being the one that God has sent. And the Holy Spirit is not even mentioned in this creed of eternal life. Jesus always defines his relationship to God as one in purpose. Jesus even prayed that all believers are to be one with God just as he is one with God. See John 17:21-22. 2. In John 20:17 we read... 17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” Here we have a RESSURECTED Messiah, no longer in his incarnate earthly body, saying that he will be ascending to HIS GOD. The excuse of Jesus being in human form can no longer apply here. Jesus is no longer in fully human form. 3. In John 10:34-36 we read... "34 Jesus answered them, `Is it not having been written in your law: I said, ye are gods? 35 if them he did call gods unto whom the word of God came, (and the Writing is not able to be broken,) 36 of him whom the Father did sanctify, and send to the world, do ye say -- Thou speakest evil, because I said, Son of God I am?" So much to unpack in this chapter, but in a nutshell we have certain Jews charging Jesus with making himself out to be god. In no way does the context imply that they are implying or saying he is claiming to be God the creator. That would be absurd. But they are charging him with making himself out to be a "god" aka elohim. Jesus just a few verses earlier said I and the Fathe are one, meaning one in purpose (see John 17:21-22) Why does this matter? Because Jesus defends himself in v35 by quoting from Psalms where human judges are called "elohim" god. The point being that if human judges can be called gods. Then how much different is it from Jesus simply claiming to be the Son of God? Notice, Jesus could have easily come out and said, yes he is God. But he doesn't. He denies he is God by defining his relationship to God as the son of God, aka Messiah, the one whom God sent. And then clarifies that title of greatness with humans of the biblical past that were called god (elohim).
Egads….not much for sloganeering in any case. But I pray our God will not judge us for being mighty confused about theology and what is important in the big picture. To all those who aspire to the Great Commandment I salute you in this challenge. May angels light the Way.
Sue, have you looked at the commission to the body in Ephesians 3:10. "That through the church (thats us the body) the manifold wisdom of God might NOW be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavens." Thats angels right there, members of the first born, the host of heaven who have longed to know what Gods plan was. So it seems its best the angels dont lead the way (they didnt do very well in Gen6:1-4) but that we are leading them. We are raised in Christ, far above angels, as yet in earthen vessels but yet to rise to and be glorified as he is. Dont you know you will rule angels? Thats a fairly big picture, makes Marvel movies seem a little silly.
When was YeHoVaH The Father, THE 1 KING in Isaiah 43:15, going to COME TO JERUSALEM MOUNTED ON A DONKEY in Zechariah 9:9? (YESHUA THE MESSIAH, FULFILLS this prophecy in John 12:14-15, thus revealing His Identity as YeHoVaH.) Bottom line, if one’s false doctrine separates YeHoVaH and Yeshua into 2 beings, then all of Scripture is falsified, for The Holy 1 would be 2, The 1 Shepherd would be 2, The 1 Husband would be 2, The 1 King would be 2, The 1 Lord would be 2, The 1 God would be 2, Etc… But only 1 God is to be Worshipped in Exodus 20:3 and Exodus 34:13-14, And He was: John 9:35-39, Luke 24:50-53, Matthew 2:1-11, Matthew 14:33, and Matthew 28:9-17 (Yeshua does not correct those who WORSHIPPED HIM) Same. Exact. Being. Shalom
It seems you are declaring that Jesus the Messiah is not a human being. I'm pretty sure the epistles of John would say that claim is the spirit of anti-Christ?
@@billschlegel1 How did you derive that from my comment? The scripture states that God manifested in the flesh; I've given you text that you may accept or reject. Serving two masters is a no-no, and John would never break the Torah. Shalom
@@billschlegel1 Philippians 2:5-8 5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Messiah Yeshua, 6 who, existing in the form of God, didn't consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the stake.
1 Tim 3:16 explains the mystery of godliness, yet would we say that godliness or holiness is a mystery, or a secret? Haven't there been godly people since creation? However Jesus was the only man to demonstrate true godliness. He possessed it to a perfect level. And that wasn't revealed until he came. Therefore perfect godliness was a mystery or secret, until Jesus revealed it in his life. God's character was revealed in his human son, which is what I believe is meant by 'God was manifest in the flesh'. God manifested his attributes in a human being who he called his son. Jesus was then justified in the spirit. And this creates a problem for a Trinitarian interpretation. Because God does not need to be justified. Jesus, however, did because he was a man like you and me. Justified has a meaning of being rendered just. He was caused to become just. And how that worked was by him being sinless, and perfectly showing his father's attributes. He became just by everything that he did. This was all achieved by the power of the spirit, because God gave him his spirit power without measure (John 3:34). And by this he overcame and did the works. So, he was a justified man through the spirit power working in him.
Jesus had NO sin in Him, proves he was God in the flesh. Also, Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, in a virgin, proving Jesus was God in the flesh. Otherwise, he could have just been born by normal conception, which he wasn't.
Really Ask yourself: -God became a baby? Not in scripture -Adam hasNO human parents In scripture -Eve has NO human parents In scripture -Both 100% human In scripture -God the son(manmade title) Not In scripture -Human Son of God In scripture -Scripture says "Anything outside scripture is private Interpretation" -Humble self "We think we knew all things, but we know NOTHING" -God saved my life out of trinity, finally faced I was wrong. In sincerety, Peace to you from God the Father and his Christ (anointed one)
Having no sin does not prove he was God in the flesh. The Bible does not say that anywhere. Being born of a virgin and being conceived by the Holy Spirt does not make him God in the flesh either, just like being specially created by God did not make Adam God. Your statements are baseless. Jesus brought grace and truth. If Jesus was God, he would have made that abundantly clear by saying, "I am God. This is of utmost importance for you to understand." Jesus did not say anything like that.
of course Jesus is human but to differentiate LORD from the Deity over all of creation is not a definitive. There indeed is a difference in the two uses of Lord/LORD in the Hebrew but Paul is more concerned that the HUMANITY of Jesus is understood among his converts. It was the acceptance of the MAN Jesus as being the TEMPLE not made with hands. Jesus is indeed distinct from GOD but the SPIRIT or fullness of SPIRIT in Jesus is the very thing that allows us to call JESUS: Father or Almighty GOD. Paul did observe the distinction but he never denied the full Deity of JESUS either.
No, the spirit IN JESUS allows us to understand where it is written " he is the full MANIFESTATION of God." Like Jesus says a few times in John, "I say nothing of myself" and "I do what my father shows me" etc. Jesus the man (attested by signs and wonders by God) has been raised and MADE both Lord, and anointed." Acts2.
The following scriptures prove Jesus was God in the flesh, Daniel 7:13-14, 1 Tim 3:16, Philippians 2:5-11, Matthew 1:18-25, Matthew 17:1-5, John 1:18, Isaiah 44:6, 1 John 5:20, Revelation 22:13, 1 Corinthians 6:19, Revelation 2:8, Revelation 1:1-20, Luke 1:35, 1 John 2:1, 2 Peter 1:1, 1 Corinthians 3: 16-17, John 5:18, 1 John 4:2-3, Revelation 3:14, Hebrews 2:17, Romans 8:3, Hebrews 1:8, Hebrews 1:3, Acts 2:24, John 1: 1-51, Colossians 1:16-19, John 17:5, Isaiah 9:6, John 10:30-35, Matthew 28:20, Revelation 1:17-18, John 5:23, John 1:14, 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 7:3, Colossians 2:9-10, Hebrews 4:15, John 8:58, 2 John 1:7, John 20:28, Titus 2:13, Galatians 4:4, 1 John 4:2, Revelation 22:13, Romans 1:1-32. There's probably more versus.
Just to take one for an example: Revelation 1:1 starts with the Revelation of Jesus Christ "that God gave him." Jesus has a God who is his head (1 Cor. 11:3) God has no god, no head.
my favourite is Col1:16. Jesus created everything. And the sillys think it means genesis creation of kosmos. But the context of letter to Colossians is all about how Jesus and not angels is head of the church, the body, the NEW creation, and Paul points out that Jesus when raised and glorified has become head of the new creation and orders its being. That alone should be enough to ditch the trinity.
Come on, come out andf talk. What do you mean by "God in the flesh." Because as a man who manifests his God, as scripture says, we see that Jesus is not God, but is a man, formed of God in Mary, who once is baptised is filled with Gods spirit. That spirit is "manifesting" in the man Jesus, Yeshua if you prefer the hebrew. So as a manifesting spirit through the man Jesus, then I can agree that Jesus is God in the flesh. i.e. God manifesting through the flesh man Jesus. That does not mean that Jesus actually is God or pre existed, or was always deity. But once raised and seated at his Gods (and our Gods) then Jesus has now BECOME so much higher than angels, and as angels can be considered as divine then Jesus is naturally, as second only to God, also now divine. ???? Come out and play!
The verses used to prove God actually say noting of the sort. It's a good example of reading a preconceived idea into the scriptures instead of letting the scriptures speak for themselves. Let God's word determine doctrine instead of forcing a false doctrine on that word. Take Daniel 7:13-14 for instance: Dan 7:13-14, 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion [is] an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom [that] which shall not be destroyed. Sure looks like somebody appeared before somebody else who obviously had more power and authority. That greater person then granted the lesser person dominion, glory, and a kingdom. Clearly there is a differentiation between some lesser person and greater person. If this verse says Jesus is God, then we must abandon the idea that all members of the trinity are equal. Or maybe the idea of the trinity should be abandoned altogether. Then there is no problem with God granting Jesus dominion and glory. 1 John 2:1, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye may not sin. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: How does that say Jesus is God? It sure looks that there are three different people in this verse, us, the Father, and the advocate between us and God. Assuming we use the normal meaning or words, an advocate is not the same as the one judging. We are the ones being judged, God is the one judging. Jesus stands between us and God, pleading our case, asking God to have mercy on us. Clearly a different person than the judge, i.e. God. Regarding 1 Tim 3:16; 1 Tim 3:16, And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. In some ancient texts the word "God" (Greek theos) but in others it is "which" (Greek os). Even most trinitarian scholars agree that the former (God) was a deliberate forgery by the translators to agree with the trinity doctrine. But if it did in fact say "God" thus making Jesus God we'd have a problem with a couple of other verses (actually many verses). 1 Cor 8:6, yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him. Clearly, the one God is the Father. Even trinitarian doctrine says Jesus is "God the Son" thus making it impossible for him to be God. Instead, as the verse says, why not say Jesus is our lord? Perhaps it would be worth while studying the difference between a god and a lord. Interestingly enough, Jesus himself said exactly the same thing as Corinthians as to his identity. John 17:3, And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ. Jesus was not talking to himself here. The "thee" to whom he referred was his Father, the "only true God." So, if 1 Timothy 3:16 actually says that Jesus is God in the original texts, we must somehow make 1 Cor 8:16 and John 17:3 say something quite the opposite of what they clearly say. Not sure how that could be done, but if you have any ideas on that I'd be interested to hear them. It is much easier to take all the verses you quoted to agree with the clear deceleration of 1 Cor 8:6, John 17:3 (and many many others I might add) than visa versa. Just have to read the scriptures without introducing preconceived ideas.
You are partially correct. He is not the Father God. The Father is God to all. However the "trinity" if you will is more like a triangle with the Father at the apex. The bottom right corner is Yeshua, and the bottom left corner is the Holy Spirit. The heavenly host is inside the triangle. God the Father gives authority to the Son to act as God to us. If you do not understand authority designation you need to read the OT anywhere the Angel of the Lord is used. There is no dissension between any of those in heaven. The three act in unison as the one true God. God in this understanding is a concert of the three. Imagine if you will the perfect family. You know that if you designate to your son the authority to go do something that it will be accomplished exactly as you want it done. Would you then deny anything to him to do? No.. Does he have your ring of authority to do what you asked? yes.. and so in essence he is acting as if you are there. And so it is with the "trinity". I do not particularly like that name because it seems to represent equal responsibility and that is not the case. The Father is God of all. He holds ultimate authority and for example is the only one of the three that knows the day and the hour that the age of grace will end and the great tribulation will begin.
Jesus is God in the flesh, His name "Immanuel" means "God with us" The Apostle Paul knew Jesus is God as did all of the followers of Jesus. Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and my God" John 20:28 The fullness of The Godhead is in Him, Colossians 2:9 The prophesy of Jesus in Isaiah 9:6 calls Him God. Jesus in His prayer to His Father ask Him to glorify Him with the glory that they shared, John 17:5 God shares His glory with no one, Isaiah 42:8 In the book of Revelation we see Jesus is God as is The Father is God. In the book of John 1:1 it says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jesus is The Second Person of The Godhead.
Deut18:18 "I will raise up a great prophet from among you (obviously therefore a Jewish man) and PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH. Thats what it means, a amnifestation of God in a man. Immanual is "God with us"... yes, manifesting in the promised one! The fullness of God is in him.... yes as above, manifesting IN HIM. Thomas... Do you see the AND word? Look up the chinmey to see Santa AND the reindeer Rudolf. No it doesnt mean Rudolf is actually Santa. The apostle Paul knew that Jesus was Gods Christ. A human son "anointed."
Even your term "God in the flesh" has a double meaning. God is manifest in flesh. God cant be flesh (he separated Himself from the corrupted creation with the "firmament" so only angels and anointed people now represent God, untill the last enemy is destroyed, when He can again be all in all 1Cor15:28. So God has to work "in flesh" if a human representative anointed (christos in greek) or an angel (greek for messenger) Yep Jesus is God in the flesh. That is God by spirit manifesting in human flesh. jn1:14. I mean. think of Legion, a legion of eveil spirits were manifesting in the flesh of that poor guy. Same principle, spirit manifesting IN FLESH.
@@ken440 Yes, God took upon Himself a body of flesh so the sacrifice at the cross could occur. Since God is Spirit He couldn't be nailed to a cross so He had to take on a human body to acomplish this act of mercy for us.
John 20:28 And Thomas said “my Lord and my God!” Stop being a doubting Thomas Thomas means twin The good you, the bad you The unbelieving you to the believing you. It is not coincidence it was Thomas who didn’t believe until he was able to see Him in person. Don’t be a Thomas….
@@razem7577 Yep. The spoken and written word (scripture) that promises a man will be Messiah and God will set that Messiah over all. That promised word from God was fleshed out in Jn1:14. God is one, and Jesus is that Gods human son, the second Adam, a man just like the first Adam. Blessings.
stopped lying..... the truth Jesus is God. Philippians 2:9-11 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
It's a SIN, for lying about the truth context of The Holy Scripture. Did you read the context of The Holy Scripture???? Philippians 2:9-11 describes how God exalted Jesus Christ and the recognition that Jesus is Lord: (YAWEAH call LORD in The Old Testament and JESUS call LORD in The New Testament ) Philippians 2:9 "Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name" Philippians 2:10 "So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth" Philippians 2:11 "And every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" In Philippians 2:1-11, Paul uses Jesus' example of humility to teach believers to look out for the interests of others. Verses 6-11 poetically express the attitude of Christ, who was humble and obedient, even though he was God. Jesus became human, died on the cross, and was humiliated and oppressed to be a sacrifice for sins. As a result, God rewarded Jesus with rulership over the earth, and eventually all people will admit that Jesus Christ is Lord.
The title "Lord" for Jesus means that Jesus is the Lord Messiah (the Lord Jesus CHRIST), not the LORD God.
Even in modern day Israel, the title, Adon, is used in formal speaking amongst people.
The Father is God to all. However the "trinity" if you will is more like a triangle with the Father at the apex. The bottom right corner is Yeshua, and the bottom left corner is the Holy Spirit. The heavenly host is inside the triangle. God the Father gives authority to the Son to act as God to us. If you do not understand authority designation you need to read the OT anywhere the Angel of the Lord is used. There is no dissension between any of those in heaven. The three act in unison as the one true God. God in this understanding is a concert of the three.
Imagine if you will the perfect family. You know that if you designate to your son the authority to go do something that it will be accomplished exactly as you want it done. Would you then deny anything to him to do? No.. Does he have your ring of authority to do what you asked? yes.. and so in essence he is acting as if you are there. And so it is with the "trinity". I do not particularly like that name because it seems to represent equal responsibility and that is not the case. The Father is God of all. He holds ultimate authority and for example is the only one of the three that knows the day and the hour that the age of grace will end and the great tribulation will begin.
It is not idolatry to worship Yeshua. It pleased the Father that the fullness of that rests in him.
Do you understand Psalms 110:1? A Psalm of David. The LORD said to my Lord, Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. If Yeshua is only a servant, would the Father have stated for him to sit as his right hand until he made Yeshua's enemies his footstool?
How about Isaiah 7:14 14, Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Immanuel means "God with us".
The ring of authority means that whoever bears the ring wields the authority of the ring owner. Yeshua has the ring of God his Father and can act as God the Father in the earth.
Do you understand this verse as well?
1 Colossians 1:14-19
14, In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15, Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16, For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17, And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18, And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19, For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
Take special note vs. 16 and 19.
@@chrissingletary2876 Triangles? Pentagrams. various symbols of the occult.
Bill you said "the Lord Jesus Christ."
As "Christ" is from greek (translitterated so it still sounds mysterious and religious) word "christos" meaning to anoint, anointed, anointed one etc (depending on context)
Then you are saying "the Lord Jesus anointed." which obviously means someone to do something, be something, a king to be or perhaps a high priest who is not a levitical priest but perhaps one of say a different order.... like Melchezedic for e.g. (so folks dont get confused with levitical priests, i.e. no longer purely jewish in nature, but one outside jewish law.)
An anointed one, and obviously an anointed son of MAN.
Just said that to interest, stir up, your trinitarian critics.
Today i sign myself "el gibbor."
(because i have had a few days where trinitarians have been poking at me with Isaiah9:6.) LOL.
@@ken440 It was an example.. Get over yourself.
I thank *The God* and Father of our Lord Jesus every day for the truth that Jesus is God’s only begotten son.
I see by your name you hold to the new birth. As do I.
Heres a thought. As Paul tells us in Ephesians and elsewhere that we, though still in earthen vessels, are called to be Sons of God, then perhaps Jesus our head and elder brother was at the time the "only begotten son of God" and he was raised to glory, first born of many brothers, then as we have become sons of God by the "new birth" (something angels longed to see) then we too are NOW also "Begotten sons of God?" It is written, Jesus is first up from the dead, first of many brothers.
You are a refreshment for me who more than 12 years thought that I'm gone out of my mind thinking the same as you are talking in your videos.. thanks to God that he comforts us through such people as you and gives even more insight concerning this matter. Shalom be with you..
When you have your eyes opened about the trinity lie, it's very difficult to see how the trinity idea could have possibly come about. That there is only one God, the Father, is so obvious. It's very difficult to read any passage in the Bible, especially the New Testament, where this fact is not made patently clear: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (John 17:3)
I think this aspect you point out is that we really do face a spiritual bunch of enemies, as Paul points out in Eph6, and they brain fog us in our reading and thinking. Unless we do consciously put on the whole armour, all the time.
i agree it was easy to be a trinitaroan, i was for 4 decades, but once you see... its astounding how you never saw the truth before.
The trinity is not as far from truth as you believe though I can understand your confusion about it.
The Father is God to all. However the "trinity" if you will is more like a triangle with the Father at the apex. The bottom right corner is Yeshua, and the bottom left corner is the Holy Spirit. The heavenly host is inside the triangle. God the Father gives authority to the Son to act as God to us. If you do not understand authority designation you need to read the OT anywhere the Angel of the Lord is used. There is no dissension between any of those in heaven. The three act in unison as the one true God. God in this understanding is a concert of the three.
Imagine if you will the perfect family. You know that if you designate to your son the authority to go do something that it will be accomplished exactly as you want it done. Would you then deny anything to him to do? No.. Does he have your ring of authority to do what you asked? yes.. and so in essence he is acting as if you are there. And so it is with the "trinity". I do not particularly like that name because it seems to represent equal responsibility and that is not the case. The Father is God of all. He holds ultimate authority and for example is the only one of the three that knows the day and the hour that the age of grace will end and the great tribulation will begin.
@@chrissingletary2876 This is confusing Trinitarian philosophical false doctrine based on Greek philosophy and cherry picked scriptures and not on clear biblical teaching.
@@chrissingletary2876 Ka ?
@@rosemerrynmcmillan1611 It isn't confusing at all and it isn't derived from Greek myths. Have you read the Old Testament?
Bill makes a number of excellent points. Personally, I think much of the confusion results from the substitution of the divine name YHWH with the term LORD. Even with the Septuagint we find copies with the divine name still written in ancient Hebrew.
Last week I had a discussion with 5+ trinitarians at once on Discord.... and none of them understood that LORD is YHWH and lord/Lord is our Master Jesus the annointed.
That is sad.
Yes, the confusion in modern times with the word Lord and the original context and usage has confused large masses.
The Father is God to all. However the "trinity" if you will is more like a triangle with the Father at the apex. The bottom right corner is Yeshua, and the bottom left corner is the Holy Spirit. The heavenly host is inside the triangle. God the Father gives authority to the Son to act as God to us. If you do not understand authority designation you need to read the OT anywhere the Angel of the Lord is used. There is no dissension between any of those in heaven. The three act in unison as the one true God. God in this understanding is a concert of the three.
Imagine if you will the perfect family. You know that if you designate to your son the authority to go do something that it will be accomplished exactly as you want it done. Would you then deny anything to him to do? No.. Does he have your ring of authority to do what you asked? yes.. and so in essence he is acting as if you are there. And so it is with the "trinity". I do not particularly like that name because it seems to represent equal responsibility and that is not the case. The Father is God of all. He holds ultimate authority and for example is the only one of the three that knows the day and the hour that the age of grace will end and the great tribulation will begin.
Trinitarians worship God, the Son. Everything is Jesus this, Jesus that, and Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 You do not know of what you speak. Yes, Yeshua is prominent to us.. but we pray to God the Father and end the prayer in Yeshua's name. That is how he taught the disciples to pray. Mathew 6:9 9, After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name
However, Acts 4:10-12 sums up alot.. 10, Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him does this man stand here before you whole.
11, This is the stone which was set at nothing of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12, Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
So you either understand this or you don't. I think you have a problem with Yeshua primarily..
"You rang m' Lord?"
England has a "House of Lords."
And up till he died a few years back here in New Zealand "Lord" Elworthy flew about in the air near my home, in a little yellow Tiger Moth biplane. Oh lordy, its so hard for some.
I love the LSB. I wish someone would translate the NT with Yahweh where it is meant and Lord Messiah where it is meant. The main problem is that trinitarians think Jesus is God, a God, or a third of God. However, most of them worship Jesus as their God. Idolatry.
Thomas called Jesus "Lord and My God". Jesus also said in the gospels I go to your God and my God. The Father also said " this is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased"
@@johngray9035 No, Thomas didn't call Jesus "My Lord and my God"..... read the text again. Thomas ANSWERED the evidence Jesus provided. The question being addressed in the context is that Thomas was questioning whether YHVH God had raised Jesus from the dead.
Jesus proves that God had raised him from the dead, and Thomas' answer praises BOTH beings.
@@loveofthetruth9398 Not only that. Just 11 verses prior in John 20:17, a RESURRECTED Jesus (no longer in "fully human" form) calls God, "HIS GOD."
@@johngray9035what point are you making above? you seem to state a trinity verse, then you state two verses supporting unitarian view, so i guess the first one "Lord AND God" is you showing the two God and the man Jesus.
Have i got you? a non trinitarian?
The Father is God to all. However the "trinity" if you will is more like a triangle with the Father at the apex. The bottom right corner is Yeshua, and the bottom left corner is the Holy Spirit. The heavenly host is inside the triangle. God the Father gives authority to the Son to act as God to us. If you do not understand authority designation you need to read the OT anywhere the Angel of the Lord is used. There is no dissension between any of those in heaven. The three act in unison as the one true God. God in this understanding is a concert of the three.
Imagine if you will the perfect family. You know that if you designate to your son the authority to go do something that it will be accomplished exactly as you want it done. Would you then deny anything to him to do? No.. Does he have your ring of authority to do what you asked? yes.. and so in essence he is acting as if you are there. And so it is with the "trinity". I do not particularly like that name because it seems to represent equal responsibility and that is not the case. The Father is God of all. He holds ultimate authority and for example is the only one of the three that knows the day and the hour that the age of grace will end and the great tribulation will begin.
It is not idolatry to worship Yeshua. It pleased the Father that the fullness of that rests in him.
Do you understand Psalms 110:1? A Psalm of David. The LORD said to my Lord, Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. If Yeshua is only a servant, would the Father have stated for him to sit as his right hand until he made Yeshua's enemies his footstool?
How about Isaiah 7:14 14, Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Immanuel means "God with us".
The ring of authority means that whoever bears the ring wields the authority of the ring owner. Yeshua has the ring of God his Father and can act as God the Father in the earth.
Do you understand this verse as well?
1 Colossians 1:14-19
14, In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15, Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16, For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17, And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18, And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19, For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
Take special note vs. 16 and 19.
YHWH was dishonored by the trinitarians and jesus was made an idol.. jesus took the place of god and paul took the place of jesus
On point with this.
It is antichrist
(anti anointed one)
to deny the son of God,
by making him his own God.
yes, and an Idol was built and called "the third member of the trinity."
OT KJV:
the LORD= Yahweh.
the LORD God= Yahweh God.
the Lord GOD= the Lord Yahweh.
Proper translation of Ps 110:1
Yahweh said to my lord [Messiah],
“Sit at My right hand
until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”
I think this "Lord" issue is one of the more difficult ones for people who may be reading the Scriptures and coming to the realization that Jesus has a God and that they've been misled.
It seems like the book of Acts uses this word "Lord" sometimes for God and sometimes for Jesus, which can be confusing since we do not have the tetragrammaton in the NT. I'd love to hear your thoughts on some of the Acts passages, Bill.
To understand the usages of Lord in the NT, one needs to understand how to differentiate between LORD God (YHVH) or Lord (Adon) in the Hebrew. The Greek LXX illustrates this translation from the Hebrew to Greek very well. The Greek generalizes and lumps together the various Hebrew names and titles given to God if the form of "Theos" and "Kurios." So reading the context in the passage and overall context of the Bible is important. For example, in the Greek LXX, in Psalms 82:6, human judges are called "Theos" in the Greek, translated from the Hebrew title "elohim." Which, by the way, Psalms 82:6 is the OT verse that Jesus referenced in explaining to those who were trying to accuse him of making himself out to be a god in John 10:34-36.
I posted this to his meme.
“Lord” is kyrios in the Greek in Romans 10:9. In the context Paul draws from Joel 2:32 in Romans 10:13 (ESV) For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord [kyrios] will be saved.” Paul is quoting Joel 2:32 while referencing Jesus Christ, but “Lord” in Joel 2:32 is YHWH, thus indicating that Jesus is YHWH.
Joel 2:32 (ESV) And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD [YHWH] shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls.
If you want to do word comparisons to prove things then what about where Jesus says to Peter.. "Getr behind me satan!"
See. This shows in Jesus own clear words that Peter is the Devil. meaning if you extrapolete it out that the first Pope of the catholic church was the devil himself.... I jest.
You cant do exegesis by comparisons to prove your theology.
Both John 20:28 and Psalm 35:23 share a similar declaration made by King David and Thomas, respectively.
In both instances, they refer to the same “My Lord and My God,” who is ‘Word YHVH’ also known as YESHUA.
Shalom.
Ephesians 1:17 KJV
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
@@animatednostalgia5034
Hebrews 1:8-10.
again you missed an important point made by Peter, that now since being raised (Acts2 sermon) that God who was LORD of Israel, has handed the Lordship role to the man Jesus, like Pharaoh did with Joseph in that foreshadow story in genesis.
So NOW Jesus is in the position of Lord.
Read psm110 for the Adonai and Adon differences of "Lord."
@@ken440
Before I debunk you, please ask Bill not to hide my comments.
@@animatednostalgia5034
Hebrews 1:8-10.
Thanks,Bill good stuff…
In the New King James Version (NKJV) of the Bible, 1 John 5:7 states, "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one"
Great video Bill!
God is not ONE, is not TWO, is not THREE.
God the Father didn't need to live a REAL TIME relationship with us. That would have been inappropriate.
God is in our past, in a distant "God's temporal dimension". From that past temporal dimension He was able to see us into his future and to interact with that future, with us. But this conversely means that we are NOW observed by Him from the past, in other words a "temporal bridge" exists between God and us. Since God actually is not here - He is only "virtually" here - you can say that God is like a spirit here ("God is a spirit" Jn. 4:24), He is the "Spirit of God". This is what happens, but only from our point of view. From God's point of view things are different! He was able to live all his relationships, to do ALL his almighty God's work even before the world started. Since all his work was done, He got rid of his then useless power to become like a normal man: the SON of God, with no power at all “ I from myself AM NOT ABLE to do a thing” (John 5:30). "Son" means He DERIVES from God, He is not an actual son "he who has seen me has seen the Father". All above of course means that - as stated by Jesus - nobody could actually see God: "nobody has seen God at any time" "The world has not known you". This means that the Son of God is ALONE in heaven (TWO Gods cannot exist) Jesus "inherited" it "all things are now in my hands". Jesus is thus the ONLY KING and sits next to the POWER of God because He needs it: He has no OWN power. The Father is in heaven (and here) only in the form of a spirit.
Thus, Jesus is NOT the almighty God, yet He is not distinct from Him "I am in the Father and the Father in me" because Jesus WAS that almighty God. This means They are not "TWO distinct Gods", they are not ONE God, i.e. God is more than one and less than two.
22:17 - _"Anyone who has a God is not God."_
If the unipersonal God is in fact _omnipotent,_ then certainly he is capable of "coming down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and manifesting _himself_ on earth in genuine human form........in which case the unipersonal God would be the God of the genuinely human manifestation of the unipersonal God.
_"And without controversy _*_GREAT_*_ is the _*_MYSTERY_*_ of godliness: _*_GOD was manifest in the flesh,_*_ justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."_ (1 Timothy 3:16)
No one disagrees that God has ability beyond our comprehension. But that is not what the Bible is telling us. Multiple times in Jesus' own words declares that he is not God and has a God to whom all credit is given. See John 10:34, John 17:3, John 20:17 for starters.
@@c1arkj
None of those verses say Jesus is not God. Only a _carnal minded interpretation_ of those verses would say Jesus is not God.
God - the one _true_ God - *_is_* love (1 John 4:8,16). And the greatest demonstration of love is to lay down one's _own_ life for others (John 15:13). The biblical unitarian "God" did not lay down his own life for anyone, so the biblical unitarian "God" is *not* love.......which means the biblical unitarian "God" is *not* the one true God, but rather a _false_ God.
_"Hereby perceive we _*_the love of GOD,_*_ because _*_HE laid down HIS life for us:_*_ and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren."_ (1 John 3:16)
@@euston2216God showed his LOVE for US by GIVING US HIS BELOVED SON. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Jesus laid down his life for us in accordance with God his Heavenly Fathers will.
@@rosemerrynmcmillan1611
But God's only begotten Son is not a person _distinct_ from God. God's only begotten Son *_is_* the invisible God made visible in genuine human form.
_For _*_God_* [the *root* of David]
_so loved the world, that he gave_
*_his only begotten Son_* [the *offspring* of David],
_that whosoever believeth_
_in _*_*HIM*_* [JESUS, the *root* AND the *offspring* of David]
_should not perish, but have everlasting life._
*I JESUS* have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. *I am THE ROOT **_and_** THE OFFSPRING of David,* and the bright and morning star. (Re--ve--la--tion 22:16)
@@euston2216 Wrong. I'll break it down for you...
1. In John 17:3, we read...
"3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
Jesus' own declaration on his relationship to God is not of one of a Trinitarian definition. He defines God, and himself as distinct from each other. Jesus being the one that God has sent. And the Holy Spirit is not even mentioned in this creed of eternal life. Jesus always defines his relationship to God as one in purpose. Jesus even prayed that all believers are to be one with God just as he is one with God. See John 17:21-22.
2. In John 20:17 we read...
17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Here we have a RESSURECTED Messiah, no longer in his incarnate earthly body, saying that he will be ascending to HIS GOD. The excuse of Jesus being in human form can no longer apply here. Jesus is no longer in fully human form.
3. In John 10:34-36 we read...
"34 Jesus answered them, `Is it not having been written in your law: I said, ye are gods?
35 if them he did call gods unto whom the word of God came, (and the Writing is not able to be broken,)
36 of him whom the Father did sanctify, and send to the world, do ye say -- Thou speakest evil, because I said, Son of God I am?"
So much to unpack in this chapter, but in a nutshell we have certain Jews charging Jesus with making himself out to be god. In no way does the context imply that they are implying or saying he is claiming to be God the creator. That would be absurd. But they are charging him with making himself out to be a "god" aka elohim. Jesus just a few verses earlier said I and the Fathe are one, meaning one in purpose (see John 17:21-22) Why does this matter? Because Jesus defends himself in v35 by quoting from Psalms where human judges are called "elohim" god. The point being that if human judges can be called gods. Then how much different is it from Jesus simply claiming to be the Son of God? Notice, Jesus could have easily come out and said, yes he is God. But he doesn't. He denies he is God by defining his relationship to God as the son of God, aka Messiah, the one whom God sent. And then clarifies that title of greatness with humans of the biblical past that were called god (elohim).
Egads….not much for sloganeering in any case. But I pray our God will not judge us for being mighty confused about theology and what is important in the big picture.
To all those who aspire to the Great Commandment I salute you in this challenge. May angels light the Way.
Sue, have you looked at the commission to the body in Ephesians 3:10. "That through the church (thats us the body) the manifold wisdom of God might NOW be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavens."
Thats angels right there, members of the first born, the host of heaven who have longed to know what Gods plan was. So it seems its best the angels dont lead the way (they didnt do very well in Gen6:1-4) but that we are leading them.
We are raised in Christ, far above angels, as yet in earthen vessels but yet to rise to and be glorified as he is. Dont you know you will rule angels? Thats a fairly big picture, makes Marvel movies seem a little silly.
Please get the true revelation of the word,
I pray the eyes of your understanding be open
When was YeHoVaH The Father,
THE 1 KING in
Isaiah 43:15, going to
COME TO JERUSALEM
MOUNTED ON A DONKEY in
Zechariah 9:9?
(YESHUA THE MESSIAH,
FULFILLS this prophecy in
John 12:14-15, thus
revealing His Identity as
YeHoVaH.)
Bottom line, if one’s false doctrine separates YeHoVaH and Yeshua into 2 beings, then all of Scripture is falsified, for
The Holy 1 would be 2,
The 1 Shepherd would be 2,
The 1 Husband would be 2,
The 1 King would be 2,
The 1 Lord would be 2,
The 1 God would be 2,
Etc…
But only 1 God
is to be Worshipped in
Exodus 20:3 and
Exodus 34:13-14,
And He was:
John 9:35-39,
Luke 24:50-53,
Matthew 2:1-11,
Matthew 14:33, and
Matthew 28:9-17
(Yeshua does not correct those who
WORSHIPPED HIM)
Same.
Exact.
Being.
Shalom
It seems you are declaring that Jesus the Messiah is not a human being. I'm pretty sure the epistles of John would say that claim is the spirit of anti-Christ?
@@billschlegel1 How did you derive that from my comment? The scripture states that God manifested in the flesh; I've given you text that you may accept or reject. Serving two masters is a no-no, and John would never break the Torah. Shalom
@@That_one_introvert. You wrote that the Father and the Son are the exact same being. Is the Father a human being?
@@billschlegel1 Philippians 2:5-8 5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Messiah Yeshua, 6 who, existing in the form of God, didn't consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the stake.
@@That_one_introvert. Yes, in Philippians 2 the apostle Paul encourages us to have the same mind/attitude as the man Christ Jesus.
First Timothy 3:16
1 Tim 3:16 explains the mystery of godliness, yet would we say that godliness or holiness is a mystery, or a secret? Haven't there been godly people since creation? However Jesus was the only man to demonstrate true godliness. He possessed it to a perfect level. And that wasn't revealed until he came. Therefore perfect godliness was a mystery or secret, until Jesus revealed it in his life.
God's character was revealed in his human son, which is what I believe is meant by 'God was manifest in the flesh'. God manifested his attributes in a human being who he called his son.
Jesus was then justified in the spirit. And this creates a problem for a Trinitarian interpretation. Because God does not need to be justified. Jesus, however, did because he was a man like you and me. Justified has a meaning of being rendered just. He was caused to become just. And how that worked was by him being sinless, and perfectly showing his father's attributes. He became just by everything that he did.
This was all achieved by the power of the spirit, because God gave him his spirit power without measure (John 3:34). And by this he overcame and did the works. So, he was a justified man through the spirit power working in him.
Jesus had NO sin in Him, proves he was God in the flesh. Also, Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, in a virgin, proving Jesus was God in the flesh. Otherwise, he could have just been born by normal conception, which he wasn't.
Really Ask yourself:
-God became a baby?
Not in scripture
-Adam hasNO human parents
In scripture
-Eve has NO human parents
In scripture
-Both 100% human
In scripture
-God the son(manmade title)
Not In scripture
-Human Son of God
In scripture
-Scripture says
"Anything outside scripture is private Interpretation"
-Humble self
"We think we knew all things, but we know NOTHING"
-God saved my life out of trinity, finally faced I was wrong.
In sincerety,
Peace to you from
God the Father
and his Christ
(anointed one)
Having no sin does not prove he was God in the flesh. The Bible does not say that anywhere.
Being born of a virgin and being conceived by the Holy Spirt does not make him God in the flesh either, just like being specially created by God did not make Adam God.
Your statements are baseless.
Jesus brought grace and truth. If Jesus was God, he would have made that abundantly clear by saying, "I am God. This is of utmost importance for you to understand."
Jesus did not say anything like that.
Only the spirit can reveal this to you, Amein sis. HalleluYah!
-shalom
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Blasphemy
Why do you keep blaspheming? Stop saying it!
of course Jesus is human but to differentiate LORD from the Deity over all of creation is not a definitive. There indeed is a difference in the two uses of Lord/LORD in the Hebrew but Paul is more concerned that the HUMANITY of Jesus is understood among his converts. It was the acceptance of the MAN Jesus as being the TEMPLE not made with hands. Jesus is indeed distinct from GOD but the SPIRIT or fullness of SPIRIT in Jesus is the very thing that allows us to call JESUS: Father or Almighty GOD. Paul did observe the distinction but he never denied the full Deity of JESUS either.
No, the spirit IN JESUS allows us to understand where it is written " he is the full MANIFESTATION of God." Like Jesus says a few times in John, "I say nothing of myself" and "I do what my father shows me" etc.
Jesus the man (attested by signs and wonders by God) has been raised and MADE both Lord, and anointed." Acts2.
The following scriptures prove Jesus was God in the flesh, Daniel 7:13-14, 1 Tim 3:16, Philippians 2:5-11, Matthew 1:18-25, Matthew 17:1-5, John 1:18, Isaiah 44:6, 1 John 5:20, Revelation 22:13, 1 Corinthians 6:19, Revelation 2:8, Revelation 1:1-20, Luke 1:35, 1 John 2:1, 2 Peter 1:1, 1 Corinthians 3: 16-17, John 5:18,
1 John 4:2-3, Revelation 3:14, Hebrews 2:17, Romans 8:3, Hebrews 1:8, Hebrews 1:3, Acts 2:24, John 1: 1-51, Colossians 1:16-19, John 17:5, Isaiah 9:6, John 10:30-35, Matthew 28:20, Revelation 1:17-18, John 5:23, John 1:14, 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 7:3, Colossians 2:9-10, Hebrews 4:15, John 8:58, 2 John 1:7, John 20:28, Titus 2:13, Galatians 4:4, 1 John 4:2, Revelation 22:13, Romans 1:1-32. There's probably more versus.
@TeresavanLieshout looks like a bunch of holy handgrenades you got there, which one do you think the most deadly? Does 1Tim2:5 offset any of them?
Just to take one for an example:
Revelation 1:1 starts with the Revelation of Jesus Christ "that God gave him."
Jesus has a God who is his head (1 Cor. 11:3)
God has no god, no head.
my favourite is Col1:16. Jesus created everything. And the sillys think it means genesis creation of kosmos.
But the context of letter to Colossians is all about how Jesus and not angels is head of the church, the body, the NEW creation, and Paul points out that Jesus when raised and glorified has become head of the new creation and orders its being.
That alone should be enough to ditch the trinity.
Come on, come out andf talk.
What do you mean by "God in the flesh."
Because as a man who manifests his God, as scripture says, we see that Jesus is not God, but is a man, formed of God in Mary, who once is baptised is filled with Gods spirit. That spirit is "manifesting" in the man Jesus, Yeshua if you prefer the hebrew.
So as a manifesting spirit through the man Jesus, then I can agree that Jesus is God in the flesh. i.e. God manifesting through the flesh man Jesus. That does not mean that Jesus actually is God or pre existed, or was always deity. But once raised and seated at his Gods (and our Gods) then Jesus has now BECOME so much higher than angels, and as angels can be considered as divine then Jesus is naturally, as second only to God, also now divine.
???? Come out and play!
The verses used to prove God actually say noting of the sort. It's a good example of reading a preconceived idea into the scriptures instead of letting the scriptures speak for themselves. Let God's word determine doctrine instead of forcing a false doctrine on that word. Take Daniel
7:13-14 for instance:
Dan 7:13-14,
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion [is] an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom [that] which shall not be destroyed.
Sure looks like somebody appeared before somebody else who obviously had more power and authority. That greater person then granted the lesser person dominion, glory, and a kingdom. Clearly there is a differentiation between some lesser person and greater person.
If this verse says Jesus is God, then we must abandon the idea that all members of the trinity are equal. Or maybe the idea of the trinity should be abandoned altogether. Then there is no problem with God granting Jesus dominion and glory.
1 John 2:1,
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye may not sin. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
How does that say Jesus is God? It sure looks that there are three different people in this verse, us, the Father, and the advocate between us and God. Assuming we use the normal meaning or words, an advocate is not the same as the one judging. We are the ones being judged, God is the one judging. Jesus stands between us and God, pleading our case, asking God to have mercy on us. Clearly a different person than the judge, i.e. God.
Regarding 1 Tim 3:16;
1 Tim 3:16,
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
In some ancient texts the word "God" (Greek theos) but in others it is "which" (Greek os). Even most trinitarian scholars agree that the former (God) was a deliberate forgery by the translators to agree with the trinity doctrine. But if it did in fact say "God" thus making Jesus God we'd have a problem with a couple of other verses (actually many verses).
1 Cor 8:6,
yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.
Clearly, the one God is the Father. Even trinitarian doctrine says Jesus is "God the Son" thus making it impossible for him to be God. Instead, as the verse says, why not say Jesus is our lord? Perhaps it would be worth while studying the difference between a god and a lord.
Interestingly enough, Jesus himself said exactly the same thing as Corinthians as to his identity.
John 17:3,
And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ.
Jesus was not talking to himself here. The "thee" to whom he referred was his Father, the "only true God."
So, if 1 Timothy 3:16 actually says that Jesus is God in the original texts, we must somehow make 1 Cor 8:16 and John 17:3 say something quite the opposite of what they clearly say. Not sure how that could be done, but if you have any ideas on that I'd be interested to hear them.
It is much easier to take all the verses you quoted to agree with the clear deceleration of 1 Cor 8:6, John 17:3 (and many many others I might add) than visa versa. Just have to read the scriptures without introducing preconceived ideas.
You are partially correct. He is not the Father God. The Father is God to all. However the "trinity" if you will is more like a triangle with the Father at the apex. The bottom right corner is Yeshua, and the bottom left corner is the Holy Spirit. The heavenly host is inside the triangle. God the Father gives authority to the Son to act as God to us. If you do not understand authority designation you need to read the OT anywhere the Angel of the Lord is used. There is no dissension between any of those in heaven. The three act in unison as the one true God. God in this understanding is a concert of the three.
Imagine if you will the perfect family. You know that if you designate to your son the authority to go do something that it will be accomplished exactly as you want it done. Would you then deny anything to him to do? No.. Does he have your ring of authority to do what you asked? yes.. and so in essence he is acting as if you are there. And so it is with the "trinity". I do not particularly like that name because it seems to represent equal responsibility and that is not the case. The Father is God of all. He holds ultimate authority and for example is the only one of the three that knows the day and the hour that the age of grace will end and the great tribulation will begin.
Jesus is God in the flesh, His name "Immanuel" means "God with us"
The Apostle Paul knew Jesus is God as did all of the followers of Jesus.
Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and my God" John 20:28
The fullness of The Godhead is in Him, Colossians 2:9
The prophesy of Jesus in Isaiah 9:6 calls Him God.
Jesus in His prayer to His Father ask Him to glorify Him with the glory that they shared, John 17:5 God shares His glory with no one, Isaiah 42:8
In the book of Revelation we see Jesus is God as is The Father is God.
In the book of John 1:1 it says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Jesus is The Second Person of The Godhead.
Deut18:18 "I will raise up a great prophet from among you (obviously therefore a Jewish man) and PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.
Thats what it means, a amnifestation of God in a man. Immanual is "God with us"... yes, manifesting in the promised one!
The fullness of God is in him.... yes as above, manifesting IN HIM.
Thomas... Do you see the AND word? Look up the chinmey to see Santa AND the reindeer Rudolf. No it doesnt mean Rudolf is actually Santa.
The apostle Paul knew that Jesus was Gods Christ. A human son "anointed."
Even your term "God in the flesh" has a double meaning. God is manifest in flesh.
God cant be flesh (he separated Himself from the corrupted creation with the "firmament" so only angels and anointed people now represent God, untill the last enemy is destroyed, when He can again be all in all 1Cor15:28.
So God has to work "in flesh" if a human representative anointed (christos in greek) or an angel (greek for messenger)
Yep Jesus is God in the flesh. That is God by spirit manifesting in human flesh. jn1:14. I mean. think of Legion, a legion of eveil spirits were manifesting in the flesh of that poor guy. Same principle, spirit manifesting IN FLESH.
@@ken440 Jesus is God, He is The Creator of all things. Everythng was made through Him and for Him.
@@ken440 Yes, God took upon Himself a body of flesh so the sacrifice at the cross could occur. Since God is Spirit He couldn't be nailed to a cross so He had to take on a human body to acomplish this act of mercy for us.
@@katanatac "everything was made through him and for him..."
Where did you get that from? surely not Colossians ?
John 20:28
And Thomas said “my Lord and my God!”
Stop being a doubting Thomas
Thomas means twin
The good you, the bad you
The unbelieving you to the believing you.
It is not coincidence it was Thomas who didn’t believe until he was able to see Him in person.
Don’t be a Thomas….
my Lord and my God?? thats two right there joined by a conjunction "AND"
hope you got the point
Jesus is olso god god the son and the holy spirit is one die drie enige god jesus praat self met my
Ka?
ua-cam.com/video/OUrK27jFYEw/v-deo.html
Jezus praat met jouw??? Je hebt echt een probleem en je hebt geen verstand van 1 Johannes 4.
"God the son" is a phrase that is absent from Scripture.
@@MarvelNot or a teaching
Jesus is God in the flesh. There's loads of scriptures to prove it.
jesus is the WORD of god in flesh
@@razem7577 Yep. The spoken and written word (scripture) that promises a man will be Messiah and God will set that Messiah over all. That promised word from God was fleshed out in Jn1:14. God is one, and Jesus is that Gods human son, the second Adam, a man just like the first Adam.
Blessings.
when you read the context of Holy Scripture. meaning it said JESUS IS GOD
we are not ignorant ,so we stopped lying 😜😜😜
stopped lying.....
the truth Jesus is God.
Philippians 2:9-11
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
It's a SIN, for lying about the truth context of The Holy Scripture.
Did you read the context of The Holy Scripture????
Philippians 2:9-11 describes how God exalted Jesus Christ and the recognition that Jesus is Lord: (YAWEAH call LORD in The Old Testament and JESUS call LORD in The New Testament )
Philippians 2:9
"Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name"
Philippians 2:10
"So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth"
Philippians 2:11
"And every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father"
In Philippians 2:1-11, Paul uses Jesus' example of humility to teach believers to look out for the interests of others. Verses 6-11 poetically express the attitude of Christ, who was humble and obedient, even though he was God. Jesus became human, died on the cross, and was humiliated and oppressed to be a sacrifice for sins. As a result, God rewarded Jesus with rulership over the earth, and eventually all people will admit that Jesus Christ is Lord.