thalo green plus quinacradone rose (or permanent rose or thalo rose) equals chromatic black. You can make it with these 2 transparent colors! and also then you can lean it towards the red or the green (warmer or cooler) or keep it neutral. test it with white to check the temperature when making it. I might try using the warmer mix for the foreground, a neutral mix for the midground, and the cooler mix for the distant ground and do a tonal like that. This was a great demo by the way. I LOVE BILL! I think he is married but if he is not then I am available! lol. Anyway.. I have not used the chromatic black yet but I did learn a while ago about it, and was shown that it is not a single pigment, it is in fact thalo green plus quinacrodone rose (or thalo or permanent rose)
Hello Eric My name is Brian and I am listening from the U.K. and I found this channel is full use full information. Keep up the good work Kind regards Brian
I had to come back and let you know I tried this method and it worked so well! Thisis now my new way of painting! Thank you so much Bill, for sharing this excellent method. Such a time saver and the resulting colors are the tones I love.
Hello from New Orleans. Love these teaching moments. Everyone has their own methods that gets us to a final beautiful product. Thank you so much for sharing. These videos will be my recovery from upcoming surgery. I'll be a better artist at the end of recovery!
Definitely a "game changer" method. For the viewer who commented that Cobra doesn't have a Chromatic Black ..... both W&N Artisan and Daniel Smith have the 2 transparent ingredients to mix it in water soluble oils. PV 19 + PG36. Quinacridone Red (Permanent Rose), etc. + Pthalo Green YS (sometimes Emerald Green). Perfect compliments according to Gamblin. Try it 1:1 first then adjust. When you find the neutral mix ratio then fill some empty tubes.
I like the way he teaches how to set up his pallet for values. I waste a lot of time trying to get the values correct. Bill's set up of values make a lot of sense and saves time. Thank you!
It has been noted that some artists choose to mix chromatic blacks for the very darkest values in their painting (for example, Ultramarine Blue and Burnt Sienna, or Viridian and Quinacridone Magenta make a deep, near-black), instead of using tubed black paints. I have not tested this approach with acrylic or watercolor paints.
Per Gamblin website- Chromatic Black is PV19 (Quinacradone Red) and PG36 (Pthalo Emerald) for those wish to mix their own to test it out. While many colors mixed can make chromatic black, I had never considered the transparent aspect until this video. Bill Davidson is a gem. Super helpful!
What a great lesson! Can’t wait to get painting. Looks like tonal value painting is a way to go. The first art class I ever took started us off that way. Wish I could have remembered this.
Another idea for those of us who use WMO paints... a traditional oil can be added to a WMO, such as Titanium white, and colors, as long as the ratio is kept at 1:4 So 1 part Gamblin chromatic black to 3 parts Titanium white and/or colors. In addition, Cobra makes an additive which will modify the traditional oil paimts to make it Water Mixable Oil for faster clean up!
I recently made a painting with some grey values in each color, i felt the result more satisfying n pleasing. Thank you so much for detail info. I would be happy if i could send its photo for your valuable and kind suggestions, feefback.
Bill Hawthorne from Mo. I would imagin paynes grey with a touch of red could balance out the coolness. Eric this guys showing us some really good tips.
In a way this is like a one step Grisaille but, instead of a first layer of monotone values then a second layer of coloured glazing, this is done by mixing the toned values with the required hue then applied in one go. Excellent info.
I will try this method. I struggle with value and temp. I’ve been painting for 3 years now. I practice every day I still don’t have it right. I threw away so many bad panels with nonsense. I have Eric’s paint by note. Just going to practice this method everyday from here on out.
you need to get more of a feedback loop happening. so once you've blocked in the main value shapes take a photo and compare it with your digital photo reference. swap back and forwards between them on the computer or put them closely side-by-side and see where you have differences. convert them to perceptual greyscale and compare them. I put them on separate layers and fade the layers between each other on photopea.com
If they sell that colour in Chromatic Black. I couldn't find it. It is made of Quinacridone Red and Phthalo Emerald, so maybe you could use those, but they have to be exact, not just some other company's name for a different paint. You can find instructions for mixing chromatic black online, but again, it has to end up transparent, and made of compliments. Maybe you could do it because some people are looking for very dark blacks which is obviously not required in this process, as they will kill your colours. One problem with using Acrylic is that this approach of Bill's uses open piles of colour. Acrylic dries very fast, there are tricks to control that, but beyond a certain point, oil is mostly better for that. Another problem is that acrylic dries darker, so they say. One of the purported advantages of oil is that it does not dry darker, and makes getting your values easier. People can learn to anticipate the values change of acrylic, and some brands claim to be less prone to darkening. But this is a technique designed to simplify values, and you would be using a material that messes with that a bit.
I bought some w&n artist acrylic in permanent rose (pv19) and thalo green (yellow shade) pg36. Same pigments used in the great Gambling chromatic black and are transparent acrylic paints. I'll know soon.
Whilst I appreciate the usefulness and ease of this technique, I wonder how someone would eventually move on from here to then mix without the use of the chromatic black/greys? Is chromatic black similar to how I mix black? I tend to mix from a range on my palette, depending on what temperature is required (I suppose, really it seems just as the mood strikes!). Sometimes Raw umber, Prussian blue, Alizarin Crimson. Sometimes with French Ultramarine and sometimes with Burnt umber. Occasionally I will also add some Olive green. I wonder if one of these mixes would work.....? thanks.
Bill. I’ve bought all your videos. Learned a lot. Thanks
And just like that, Bill made Munsell color theory practical and easy! Fabulous!
thalo green plus quinacradone rose (or permanent rose or thalo rose) equals chromatic black. You can make it with these 2 transparent colors! and also then you can lean it towards the red or the green (warmer or cooler) or keep it neutral. test it with white to check the temperature when making it. I might try using the warmer mix for the foreground, a neutral mix for the midground, and the cooler mix for the distant ground and do a tonal like that. This was a great demo by the way. I LOVE BILL! I think he is married but if he is not then I am available! lol. Anyway.. I have not used the chromatic black yet but I did learn a while ago about it, and was shown that it is not a single pigment, it is in fact thalo green plus quinacrodone rose (or thalo or permanent rose)
Thalo green (yellow shade) pg36 pigment. I bought these 2 paints in acrylic but haven't tried it yet.
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Awesome👌Thank you Bill , from a very late starter , in London, England🙏🏼
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Haha! You are correct, and a funny woman!(no time wasted being shy 😉) And great informative comment! 👍 I admire your confidence 😄
Hello Eric
My name is Brian and I am listening from the U.K. and I found this channel is full use full information.
Keep up the good work
Kind regards
Brian
Bill you’re a bloody marvel. You’ve solved my colour problems. Now I need to practice more. Love your art ❤🎉😊
Bill's explanation of how to match color, is so much more efficient and faster. Thank you Bill.
I had to come back and let you know I tried this method and it worked so well! Thisis now my new way of painting! Thank you so much Bill, for sharing this excellent method. Such a time saver and the resulting colors are the tones I love.
Bill that painting is beautiful, and thank you guys for the wonderful 😮color mixing tutorial, very helpful thanks again.
Ron Cisler
Big thank you👍the video is awesome ❤️🥰🤩👍😍😊
Values so important thank you, im from the uk and i love your shows.
Oh my gosh, his demo piece is absolutely stunning❤
Ridiculously helpful
Awesome paintings 🤩👍❤️😍😋💖🥰
Wonderful instructional video - I am going to try this right away! Watching from Connecticut shoreline.
A big Shout out to "Eric Rhoads" 🔥🎨 You are a 'Rock 🌟"
Thank you👍🥰🤩❤️😍beautiful
Thanks so much guys. I am ordering some chromatic black now!!
Bill is an awesome teacher 👍🤩🥰❤️😍
Just watched this - excellent. I'm going to look for his videos.
I love Bills videos….just missed this so replaying ….he’s great at sharing…..Thx Bill…..When r u doing a soar workshop again????
This is incredibly helpful - do more please!
Beautiful paintings 🤩😋❤️👍😍💖🥰
This is insanely helpful to me! I used to work forever to find the right color I wanted.
Hello from New Orleans. Love these teaching moments. Everyone has their own methods that gets us to a final beautiful product. Thank you so much for sharing. These videos will be my recovery from upcoming surgery. I'll be a better artist at the end of recovery!
Definitely a "game changer" method.
For the viewer who commented that Cobra doesn't have a Chromatic Black ..... both W&N Artisan and Daniel Smith have the 2 transparent ingredients to mix it in water soluble oils.
PV 19 + PG36.
Quinacridone Red (Permanent Rose), etc. + Pthalo Green YS (sometimes Emerald Green). Perfect compliments according to Gamblin.
Try it 1:1 first then adjust.
When you find the neutral mix ratio then fill some empty tubes.
I like the way he teaches how to set up his pallet for values. I waste a lot of time trying to get the values correct. Bill's set up of values make a lot of sense and saves time. Thank you!
It has been noted that some artists choose to mix chromatic blacks for the very darkest values in their painting (for example, Ultramarine Blue and Burnt Sienna, or Viridian and Quinacridone Magenta make a deep, near-black), instead of using tubed black paints. I have not tested this approach with acrylic or watercolor paints.
Thanks! a very smart and helpful way to make sure your colors stay in the correct value scale 🎨
EXCELLENT advice about mixing the values to start with! ..My painting buddie used to start this way..she was a painting major in college.!
Great tutorial! Thank you. I'll try this method. Greetings from Munich/Germany! 💞
🤩 wow this is really awesome Bill and a marvellous teacher 🤩👍❤️😍🥰
Watching from South Africa, and learning so much. Thank you - you explain so well
Really amazing how this concept simplifies the use of value and color! Thank you
Love. Bill’s painting system. It has made difference in my painting. I have one of his videos. I watch it often. Love from Batesville, MS.
Hi from New Mexico love these videos
Per Gamblin website- Chromatic Black is PV19 (Quinacradone Red) and PG36 (Pthalo Emerald) for those wish to mix their own to test it out. While many colors mixed can make chromatic black, I had never considered the transparent aspect until this video. Bill Davidson is a gem. Super helpful!
Super video Bravo Bill Davidson
Painting just got easier with this value method. Thanks
Lovely values, thanks from Halifax, Canada
Never have seen this procedure, really appreciate your lesson. !! Jackie from Missouri
YAY BILL! LOVE LOVE LOVE!
Wow, this is such an enlightening and helpful video! I am going to try this TODAY! Thank you Bill Davidson!
Beautiful 🤩
Love bill davidson, Judi from Eugene Oregon
Wow ! Cool color mixing tech
What a great lesson! Can’t wait to get painting. Looks like tonal value painting is a way to go. The first art class I ever took started us off that way. Wish I could have remembered this.
Thanks for this info. Very helpful
I just discovered you on Friday. Wow,
Excellent!! Learned so much!
Just found this! So excited to learn this..I have so much trouble understanding values.
Excellent. I learned so much! Thank you for sharing.
wow Amazing love this painting and Ive learnt more in this video than the last 10 thankyou from Saskatchewan
AWESOME
So very interesting! Thank you. Bonnie from SW Ontario, Canada
Great lessen, thank you for sharing you knowledge 🕊
Definitely going to try this method, will help to see value easier. Thank you so much for sharing it. From Pretoria South Africa
Thanks for using the vertical palette. So helpful to see it as you work.
Absolutely great information and the answers to so many of my struggles. Thank you both
I can’t wait to try this!
Bill’s an amazing artist/teacher! Thank you
Loved this! Thanks so much!!!!
Great lesson, as well as art work. Thank you for sharing your knowledge !
Well done Bill on the tutorial 💜❤️
Wow you are a great teache.r thankbyou so much I think I get it finally your awesome
🍁 Good morning ,hello from AB . Canada 🇨🇦 😊
Great lesson. Thank you Bill.
I gotta try this as it seems a great idea. Thank you for the video of Bills *Mixing Perfect Colour"" It's great.
Another idea for those of us who use WMO paints... a traditional oil can be added to a WMO, such as Titanium white, and colors, as long as the ratio is kept at 1:4
So 1 part Gamblin chromatic black to 3 parts Titanium white and/or colors.
In addition, Cobra makes an additive which will modify the traditional oil paimts to make it Water Mixable Oil for faster clean up!
Thank you!
Wow breakthu for me, thanks
Very interesting,I am going to my easel now and give it a try,thanks .
That was fantastic. What a great demo.
Takeaway... "Don't lick your finger." ERIC & "Everyday should be a Friday." BILL This was a fantastic lesson! Thanks
Loving this information. Thank you!
Fascinating!
Brilliant great Talent/Teacher 🙏🏼
Wa state
Wonderful tip to use my chromatic black for the base of color mixing!
Excellent advice. Thank you!
Hi from Ontario Sudbury 🤩
I recently made a painting with some grey values in each color, i felt the result more satisfying n pleasing. Thank you so much for detail info. I would be happy if i could send its photo for your valuable and kind suggestions, feefback.
Bill Hawthorne from Mo. I would imagin paynes grey with a touch of red could balance out the coolness. Eric this guys showing us some really good tips.
Great video.....can't wait to start using the grey tones but need to buy some chromatic black. Thank you for sharing.
Amazing concept with chromatic black. I’m grateful to learn this and am anxious to try it.
Great advice! Thank you.
Hello from CA. Awesome information!
"Value does all the work. Color gets all the credit !"
In a way this is like a one step Grisaille but, instead of a first layer of monotone values then a second layer of coloured glazing, this is done by mixing the toned values with the required hue then applied in one go. Excellent info.
I will try this method. I struggle with value and temp. I’ve been painting for 3 years now. I practice every day I still don’t have it right. I threw away so many bad panels with nonsense. I have Eric’s paint by note. Just going to practice this method everyday from here on out.
you need to get more of a feedback loop happening. so once you've blocked in the main value shapes take a photo and compare it with your digital photo reference. swap back and forwards between them on the computer or put them closely side-by-side and see where you have differences. convert them to perceptual greyscale and compare them. I put them on separate layers and fade the layers between each other on photopea.com
Hi from Canada Ontario 👍
Amazing ! Jennifer from NY Long Island !
Wow Bill, This is a"Game Changer"👍🎨
Can't wait to try this..I struggle so much with my values.!
Love John’s logic and his accent. Adds to his colors
Terrific video thanks
Great lesson full of useful tips! I’m going to get some chromatic black
Cant wait o try this
Can u do this with acrylics? Thk you sir. This is a much deeper level of teaching I hv never seen!
If they sell that colour in Chromatic Black. I couldn't find it. It is made of Quinacridone Red and Phthalo Emerald, so maybe you could use those, but they have to be exact, not just some other company's name for a different paint. You can find instructions for mixing chromatic black online, but again, it has to end up transparent, and made of compliments. Maybe you could do it because some people are looking for very dark blacks which is obviously not required in this process, as they will kill your colours.
One problem with using Acrylic is that this approach of Bill's uses open piles of colour. Acrylic dries very fast, there are tricks to control that, but beyond a certain point, oil is mostly better for that.
Another problem is that acrylic dries darker, so they say. One of the purported advantages of oil is that it does not dry darker, and makes getting your values easier. People can learn to anticipate the values change of acrylic, and some brands claim to be less prone to darkening. But this is a technique designed to simplify values, and you would be using a material that messes with that a bit.
I bought some w&n artist acrylic in permanent rose (pv19) and thalo green (yellow shade) pg36.
Same pigments used in the great Gambling chromatic black and are transparent acrylic paints. I'll know soon.
will give it a go thankyou
I want to join the art convension
Jeanine Barnes from Corpus Christi, Texas
Bill, you're a great instructor. I can't wait to try your mixing color technique. What medium are you using?
Witch colors do you use to make the tonalvalue scale of greys.
It is a great lesson about value’s and mixing the colors
Whilst I appreciate the usefulness and ease of this technique, I wonder how someone would eventually move on from here to then mix without the use of the chromatic black/greys?
Is chromatic black similar to how I mix black? I tend to mix from a range on my palette, depending on what temperature is required (I suppose, really it seems just as the mood strikes!). Sometimes Raw umber, Prussian blue, Alizarin Crimson. Sometimes with French Ultramarine and sometimes with Burnt umber. Occasionally I will also add some Olive green. I wonder if one of these mixes would work.....? thanks.