My Custom Subfloor System (And It’s Cheaper)
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Hey Jeff,
Thank you for all of your videos. As a first time home owner on a strict budget, I just finished remodelling my pantry. Which involved framing a wall. Drywalling. Taping. Mudding. Repairing all the other walls. Plastering other walls. Tiling and grouting. All of this I learned from your videos. Thank you so much. And I look forward to more videos and more projects to do around the house.
Nice work! Cheers Robert!
Still some of the best home renovation video content out there. I really appreciate the shorter videos especially if I’m in the middle of a job but I do love the long-form videos as well because I feel like I’m part of the process and I absorb a lot more information and knowledge. Either way the content is excellent thanks Jeff.
You're so good at what you do.
Building, teaching and especially motivating.
You're awesome!
This is great. Jeff is Gold. I used Jeff's dimpled membrane as a base, then the durofoam 3/4" rigid foam , then 1 x 4 strapping (full perimetre and 2' x 8' sections) then 5/8" OSB. all as my base. then built my walls on top of the subfloor. ALso insulted the concrete walls with 1" durofoam. glued and taped. all thanks to Jeff.
Excellent advice for this retired nurse. I need to get my family room in shape before planks.
Well done.
The fact he is powering through a professional job with craftsman tools is making me rethink life....
Love this video!! My basement had vinyl tiles pasted down with a black adhesive that is insanely difficult to remove. This is a great solution to go over that AND give us a thermal break!! Thx!
Careful with that black adhesive. If it was installed prior to 1977(ish) it may have Asbestos in it. Generally not harmful unless it is airborne.
Thanks Jeff, the ground-eye view really helped visually. Thanks for all you do!
Glad to hear it! Cheers!
@Home RenoVision DIY I keep getting odd messages from someone for me to reply "you"
Thanks Jeff for all the pointers. I am going with the dimpled plastic for our basement as we learned the hard way with moisture damage. I will be watching your various videos as our project progresses.
Nice to see this method is catching on.. I tried this 17yrs ago, but i went 1-1/2 foam lol. Pro tip- TASK has the most durable drill bits (i got them at Homehardware) purchase the more expensive one.. They outperformed even the Bosch bits
We live in Barrhaven and I acted as general contractor when we finished our basement. I decided to just use a cork underlayment that had a vapor barrier built in, then put our laminate flooring on top... no proper subfloor over the concrete. That was about 5 years ago and haven't had any issues with moisture or anything yet. If I were to do it again I would probably do a similar type of subfloor like this just to have that bit of extra protection. Thanks for all the great content Jeff. Love that you're local
Cheers to Barrhaven!
Good idea to check floor for flatness. If high crowns or low spots , pour leveller prior any substrate installation. Laminate flooring or any hard surface flooring looks the best of floor is flat.
Damn just when I need it! I need to finnish the basement since we're having another kid and i was in the process of researching suitable insulation for the subfloor and here it is. Im planning on putting a DMX down for water control and a moisture barrier, insulation and the osb, this is by far the cheapest option. im only doing half the basement for now and start to finish it should only cost about 4k, im pretty happy with that. Thx for the video.
Cheers and congrats on the addition to the family!
This guy is the real deal! Jeff for president!
This took way longer than I’d like to admit. 3ish days for me and my partner to subfloor our 1000sqft basement. Also had to properly learn how to use a hammer drill, killed a few bits right off the bat. We’re starting with a solid foundation now though! Thank you!
3 days is really fast, good job
Home projects are never a race! Just get them done on your own pace
Whenever I'm getting salty or overwhelmed about my own house projects, watching Jeff take things one step at a time with a been-there-done-that sense of humor really helps me get back into a proper mindset. Thanks Jeff 👍
we all get frustrated. Constantly remind yourself that you can do this and it will always be better then hiring out and it will always make you money, and it will always make you more competent for the next project. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY you really helped my confidence in doing our bathroom. Removed tub surround and installed Prova board, waterproofed properly and installed subway tiles. Looks great! And you're right, a laser level is a game changer!
I’ve worked with several contractors on my home. Jeff makes them ALL look like incompetent, unprofessional, uninformed crooks. When I’m explaining construction science to my contractor, you know something is deeply wrong with the industry.
Thankfully I'm still doing some demo so I can take out my frustration on some drywall 😅
opted with no thermal break at all, have wood stove in basement so the concrete heats up and holds the heat, and in the summer i have a GIANT Cold sink keeping hole house cold (cold air return only in basement) works amazing! cool my entire house with a 5k btu window unit.
It’s like you make videos just for me!!! I feel special❤ ⭐️
Cheers to being special!
Hello Jeff, thanks for the videos been helping my own renovations. I was wondering, could you lay the blue dimple membrane down tape seams (for vapour managment) then the durafoam (for thermal break) tape seams with out screwing to foundation, then lay down vinyl plank?
Question: would the joint between the wall and the floor be a gap in the thermal / moisture break? Would it be a good idea to leave the plastic, lap it over the foam insulation, and tap it down?
Works this work over the dimpling so you have thermal and moisture protection.
yes you can add that but at that point you get pretty high and it might be better to use the dricore insul armor. dimpled plastic plus this insulation board is still cheaper but if you are using a floating floor then insul armor is a better option due to its compressive strength. if you need a nailing surface like me then the home made option is better. refer to my previous video. ua-cam.com/video/3-RGHwlBwIA/v-deo.html
Impeccable timing, I am gearing up to finish my 2400 sq ft walkout basement and was trying to figure out what to do for the floor. I am also on top of a hill with great drainage (if my basement floods I expect to see an ark floating past the house). One thing I was curious on is whether it would make sense to use floor leveler prior to putting in a subfloor? Whoever poured the slab in my basement must have been in the dike business as the floor has a hefty slope from edge to center.
slopes are all relative. measure the slope over 4' and then go shopping for flooring that has agreeable specs. All floors have allowances for slope and it differs from 1 product to the next. your concern may not even be an issue that needs solving. If your slope is so bad that you can't find a product then consider carpet as an alternative or you will have to install leveler. Cheers!
Concrete leveler is super easy to install - drill, mixing paddle, bucket, and a good (long) level to figure out divots/bumps helps! (Jeff here has a video on it, look for it in the channel!)
the only thing I am worried about is in northern climates we put vapour barrier under the slab so if you are putting rigid closed cell insulation and then a subfloor you are trapping any moisture in the slab which will cause a few issues.
You mean Northern climates like where Jeff is? That would be Canada😂
Yeah it's always a bad idea to double up a vapor barrier, which this essentially does. If doing this it's probably best do just forego taping the seams.
I did similar in my basement 12 years ago. I used 1"x4x8 sheets of R5 foam that had a ship lap edge so I didn't tape them, then 5/8" T&G OSB before I framed my walls, then 2"x4x8 sheets of R10 on the walls, then framed my walls on top of the subfloor, ran my wires and installed Roxul R14 batt insulation between the studs, Roxul Safe n Sound between the floor joists, brought 4x12x1/2" sheets of drywall down the stairs and hung that on resilient channel on the ceiling (rooms were 11' wide), then drywalled my walls and finally installed laminate flooring with foam backer on the subfloor. The floor "floats" a bit in some places because I didn't screw it down but it's not bad because the walls hold it down for the most part
I'm in the process of stripping my basement down to the studs. In the kitchen and bathroom, the concrete floor had 1x3 strapping (maybe the proper term is sleepers?) with 2 or 3 layers of OSB on top. Everywhere else is laminate or carpet directly on the concrete.
I'm going to be following your advice when putting down the new sub floors.
the pieces that are weird angles if you wait to tape them down you can trace them to the osb and no need to measure :D
in some cases but the 2 sheet goods are a little different in dimension.
Jeff, if durofoam is not available in the United States, can you recommend a similar moisture resistant foam that is available in the U.S.? Thank you and keep up the great work!
I really appreciate your videos. I learn a lot. I was going to use Fomular 250 on the floor each board today US Home Depot $58 each. Durofoam at HD $17ish. I'm nixing that plan and buying this stuff. Thanks.
Best guy on UA-cam with home remodeling! Thank you for teaching me this method!We love you Jeff !👷
Cool dude thank you UA-cam finally professional UA-cam recommendation
Mike Holmes would be happy with your use of tuck tape!
well, this spring will be a basement project. Thanks for sharing your knowlegde. We will save many $$$ !
Thanks for sharing the tips.
The concrete floor of the basement is slope (for drainage? I guess). what would be the best way to do a level subfloor other than pour self-leveling concrete onto the sloped basement concrete?
Thanks Jeff, I love your videos and they've helped me a lot through my basement finishing! I'm just about to get to the flooring so this video was perfect for watching today 😊
Another great video. Just love watching your approach
Glad you enjoy it! Cheers!
Would love to see how you tacle the furnace room. And do you tape between that contractor vapor barrier and your foam
I leave the furnace room exposed. Cheers!
Jeff is your DIY personal trainer!!
Cheers!
The advantage with dricore is the channels underneath for airflow. These panels flat against the floor eliminate that? I guess I see in this instance it looks like the walls were already there anyhow, so they can’t be placed on top of the floor over the pink foam board stuff to create that air channel along the floors and up the walls as you show in another video?
Durafoam is not available where I am at. Can I use R-Tech R-3.85 Insulating Sheathing instead and should I use an additional 6 mil vapor barrier underneath. Thanks! I am going right over a concrete slab.
Hey there Jeff! I love your videos! But when did you start using Milwaukee 😊??
Keep up the great content
I just finished doing a subfloor with the DMX and OSB. Wish this video would have been out at that time. I would have preferred the dura foam
you can always lift the osb and add a layer for thermal break. Cheers!
For starting from scratch (i.e plain concrete everything basement with no framing or subfloor system), what is the reccomended order of operations between subfloor and exterior wall frames?
I have the skills needed to build everything in question but I definitely could use more time researching proper water management to make sure its actually done properly. Your various videos on the subject have been a big help
Walls first, floors last.
Typically only when building up (e.g. on top of joists) would you do subfloor first, simply because it's easier that way.
So for your basement, frame out all the walls first, fasten them to the concrete and joists, then you can do the subfloors. You could also drywall first and do floors after, that doesn't matter too much, but because mudding is messy it might be nice to de floors after that.
Jeff when you were drilling through your boards into the subflooring, what type drill bit were you using? Is there a special concrete bit we should use? Thanks 🤞🏾
How about basement concrete floors that are not levelled and have dips in them?
You see this is new construction as well. The concrete floor is not totally levelled and have bumps in it.
I'm guessing the answer would be floor leveler
Being serious too. It's a product Jeff uses in quite a few videos.
@6:25 I guess the vaccuum operator took a long lunch break. Love the videos Jeff
What's a similar product i can grab at lowes or home depot?
I live in North Dakota I went to my local home depot and they don't have in there system. You guys know where I will be able to find this product?
I'm going to do this my block and beam.
Thanks for sharing such great content. I am not the kind of person that comment a lot, but i wanted to mentionned. I will use this technic in my new basement.
Though I do have a question : I have 2 bedroom doors to install, Am i supposed to install my doors after or before doing my subfloor ?
Since the foamboard can be compressed, should I worry about driving the screw in too far- pulling the OSB down further in that spot making the floor no longer perfectly flat? Plan to cover with LVP. Thanks for this video and the other good one on choosing a basement subfloor.
Stop as soon as you feel it bite and the head is below the subfloor surface. Sneak up on it like he did until you get used to it.
Use a thicker pad under the lvp so you don't have any problems
it can only be compressed a little. it is mor the action of flattening out the osb that you see in the video. once the head of the n screw starts digging into the osb I stop knowing it is secured. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Thanks Jeff. Wish they made tongue and groove OSB in 4 ft. x 4 ft. panels!
@@running_rich T&G OSB only has the T&G on the long edge. Buy 4x8 sheets and cut them in half if you're looking for 4x4!
Hey Jeff, I know this would be a tonne of work but could you scribe channels in the bottom of the durafoam to mimic dricore/dimpled membrane for water management? I have a new home but we are in a fairly wet area, would love to get the best of both ...
Did you ever get an answer to this? I was wondering the same thing
@@unicyclopsgallant7698 I didn’t, but I went and did it anyway. I used R-5 xps instead of durafoam, along with 5/8” t&g. Turned out really well. Working with 4x8 sheets made doing a 1700 sq ft basement a breeze. I would make a video, but I only took pics when I did it …
@@steinachu1 That's great! Thanks for the response. I'm glad it turned out for you.
I watched this video as well as the video on the different subflooring options. Great stuff. I really appreciate the content. We are installing unfinished solid hardwood on a slab at grade (no basement; it's just the ground/1st floor) for our new construction home that is currently being built. Will this method work under these conditions? Thanks again!
Great video, can you put carpet or carpet tiles directly on the foam board? Can you skip the OSB?
You say not to leave any gaps. As sheathing, we are to leave gap for expansion. Do we not need to do this in flooring? I have a cabin and considering using this method. As always, brilliant video. thanks Jeff!
There are multiple other examples of a completely floating subfloor with rigid foam and up to 2 layers of sheating on top. Matt Risinger has a couple videos where his or other builders projects built that way, both in southern and norther climates with success. BUT their builds have incredible air and water sealing details and build quality.
on a basement floor the temp and humidity is completely controlled and never changes. so there is no expansion and or contraction. Cheers!
What type of flooring system do you use when your basement has infloor heating in the concrete?
Thank you for making this.
Good tips and logic. Thank you!
Take a piece of foam and tape it to a concrete floor for 1 week and then look under. I did and it completely molded.
Would you do this on a slab house?
excellent Jeff
Can you frame the walls on this system? Would you consider putting a 4x4 ft osb since it's easier to take down the stairs?
I have the same question! Can I lay the floor and then frame on top?
Why you don't install the vapor barrier ? The technical Sheet of durafoam show you need to put vapor barrier between durafoam and concrete.
4:00 That's when you call a pro to come and install it for you 😉
You are the best pro you are ever going to find. Cheers!
Will there be an issue with moisture getting trapped because there aren’t any channels underneath the foam boards like there is with dricore products?
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Love you Jeff, Do you know where I can find
the Durofoam in Virginia, US but, it seems that is not sold in the US. Any comparable solution I could find in my location?
I like you subfloor system. I'm wondering what advise you have for leveling that system over an older concrete floor that is not very flat, shim with composite shims or pour a leveling compound? Thank for all the videos and mountains of tips and tricks!
Watch his floor leveler video - it's super easy to do!
If I use a 4” hammer drill bit will I be drilling too far into a new home foundation?
Some questions: I have space between the cement flooring. I’m told it is for weather changes. Do I buy a caulking filler of some sort to fill these? Can I paint or spray over the cement with the water leak stuff you see advertised to fix leaks anywhere (like pipes, boats, etcetera) to completely seal floor, blocking water? We have the Superior wall system on 3 sides. Do I finish cement floor in garage area as well? Finish floor before building wood frame ups to do walls? Half of basement is garage. Other is large room with full bath. Door to outside on this side. I want to put walls up to separate halves. Stairs in middle. So interior door will connect garage and other side. Is there something I need to do to seal off garage area to decrease moisture from entering other side when door between the rooms is closed? Safer to use wood for walls or drywall ok? We are in NC mountains. Basement heated with gas wall unit. Change that to gas log fireplace not vented? Female here trying to figure this all out! Any advice appreciated!!! Want to come as part of your show?!
Where can I buy durofoam in the US or is there another similar product I can look for here?
I'm looking to finish my basement but confused as to using a vapor barrier verses dimple matting. Can you answer?
Is there a reason you didn't put the subfloor first and then build the framing/drywall on top?
Could you use durafoam under a floating floor? with no plywood
In Detroit Lakes, MN (60 miles from Fargo, ND) and we have an older basement with only 7' 1" ceiling, but also want both water and vapor management. I was thinking using both a DMX Airflow Underlayment in addition to the Durofoam product followed by a Luxury vinyl plank (has a cork backing) in this basement. All 3 combined and I should be able to maintain the aprx 7ft celiing height. Do you have concerns, comments, suggestions on this approach?
Lastly, I cannot find a place to purchase the 3/4" DuroFoam you are using in this video. Where does a guy find it or is their an alternative brand to recommend?
Southeast Georgia here. Would this work on a slab foundation?
Cool, but what if you have radiant heat tubes in the concrete? How would you anchor the subfloor?
Guessing you wouldn't want insulation on top of a radiant heated floor. So another subfloor method would be better.
Knee pads are cool lol love your videos
I'd love to put a real floor in my basement. Have a bar down there. Previous owner just painted the concrete. And I do get water when we have heavy rain or fast melting snow in some areas. But biggest problem is ceiling height. If I put in a 1.5-2" floor anyone over 6' will be hunched over. LOL. I think I first need to figure out the water issues.
low basements are only found in old houses. you will probably be looking at around $25,000 to waterproof. I would sooner move and then finish a proper height basement.
What if we do get the occasional water when there is a down pour and it seeps in
Hey Jeff, can you install that floor everywhere first and then build the walls on top of it or do you recommend doing it the same as the video?
I would only build on top if it has drainage as well. In the event of flooding a subfloor with drainage can be cut out for the majority of the room and treated and dried just like the framing can be. if there is no drainage you cannot clean under the wall and it will smell down the road . That would result in a complete tear out. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Makes perfect sense! Thanks a ton!!
Is there any risk to the concrete because the moisture can get in the concrete from below but not be able to escape cause it’s trapped in from above?
With the foam taped and floor sealed providing no air gap for moisture to dissipate, most builders would conclude this application of materials would cause mold infestation. Is that not a worry?
Hey man, just installed durofoam on my basement slab. I noticed you didn't use strapping at 24" o/c as per manufacturer specs.
I found the durofoam to be fairly soft in terms of density, the sleepers are needed for proper support and not allowing deflection.
Even with 5/8 OSB I would still get some deflection on 2' spacing of the sleepers. I'd imagine anyone using this method you're showing with laminate or vinyl flooring, the joints might buckle or move around.
Not sure if you have a statement from the company saying otherwise?
also, in the manufacture videos they also put a 6 mill poly down underneath the foam ,in this video I don't see that
@@jmaclicious10 I did the poly too. However their product is actually rated for vapor retarding if the joints are taped.
Strapping is not part of a thermal break system. as soon as you use it you have thermal bridging. I prefer to do it this way. also the slab has a vapor barrier so I did not need to add one. if you need one then I would suggest the house is too old to install this product without first having a dimpled membrane.
Would you suggest carpet with a pad something like the Lifeproof Cushion right on concrete, or would DMX 1 step and carpet be a better solution for basement? thanks!
Watched a lot of your helpful videos learned a lot and have a question I have a sun room with epoxy on the floor and would like to put laminate plank flooring any suggestions? Will it stick?
Awesome jeff!
Hello, I have an approximately 100-year-old house on the ground floor, built on sand, only concrete and foil for vapor insulation. My house has a cold floor and I am limited by the height, so I am looking for a solution with the thinnest possible thermal insulation layer. Should I choose styrodur or wood fiber underlay? Or maybe something else? I will add that I am from Poland
Can I put in the subfloor first, then frame on top of it, or should I frame first then fill in the subfloor after? Thanks!
Ive always glued down my subfloors for extra support, i norticed you, didn't. Whats your thoughts on glue with screws?
THANKS!!! This is helpful
Do you leave any gaps between osb’s for expansion? Thanks
Are you putting this because of the weather you get out there?
What about floor drains in the concrete
Hi, I'm new to the channel and have a few questions. I am adding a small home office in the space under the back porch which was an add-on many years ago. The ceiling is poured concrete and the walls are cinder block. There are no leaks and the height is about 7 ft. There are 2 windows and the house is in Toronto. I taped up some plastic on the ceiling and walls and no moisture showed up.What products would you suggest on all the surfaces for a limited budget? Any other suggestions would be more than welcome.
What's up with the craftsman tools, Jeff? Someone steal your DeWalt boys?
Might be to show youtubers that you don’t need to get the usual prosumer tool brands to get the job done, therefore appealing to a broader audience, i’d think. Somewhat cheaper Craftsman tools get the job done.
@@fredericcouto141 it's all about the craftsman with the craftsman
Craftsman is owned by the same parent company as dewalt. it is the diy line. They asked me to try out the new v20 series so I used it on this basement. Seems to be a decent tool. Cheers!
I don't see a video on your site on how to cut in a man door in a garage. Our garage doesn't have a man door and we don't know how to put one in! Thanks!
I would imagine you would be better off going with a non corrosive adhesive instead of tapcons.
Although unlikely, the vapor barrier on the foam board is punctured with this method. In theory, that could allow for moisture to wick up into your OSB?
If you have significant moisture you are going to run into problems even if sealed. A glue would make it a nightmare to tear out if needed.
@@ravenstarver1360 fair point but even a little bit of moisture could get into the foam board and get trapped and create mold. I may prefer to have a hard time tearing it out over the alternative. Time for some testing perhaps..
before you can have water wick it must be present. in this case the slab is also protected by a moisture barrier underneath. There is no 100 year way to build a basement floor. this is a 50 year application. Cheers!
Thank you
I want to add this subfloor system all over my basement but what do I do with existant division ?
hey man love the content just a quick question you said in tthe last video about this that you put this subfloor system underneath the wall is there a reason you didn't do it here ?
Are you concerned about potential shifting or uneven surface at butt joints of the OSB?
This is very helpful for the basement I'm currently working on. Can the OSB boards be cut in half to end up being 4x4? I'm alone working on my project and it would be a lot easier to carry smaller panels around the house and to the basement!