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Drogon felt that Dani was in danger earlier, and just came to check on her, make sure she was okay. This is to insinuate that her bond with her dragons is beyond emotional, but almost like a psychic link too. Great reactions!
That’s right, I also interpret that scene like Drogon denying this version of Daenerys, ruling and having fear, he knows what she is and came to remind her that. She is a conqueror after all.
Pfffth! IF 'deep inside' an ASSHOLE - Your Dragon wil be too, right*!? *untill You die and they...go...on? = Good/bad....until another ass+ shows up...
@@drunkgamer7539 definitely not a stretch, it’s pretty well known that the Dragonriders have a almost psychic connections with the dragons…if you think that’s a stretch you probably aren’t that familiar with the lore.
This episode is when I really started believing that Danny's dragons are permenantly connected emotionally or mentally with Danny. We haven't seen Drogo for a long time. And on the very day that Danny pisses off the populace for the very 1st time. Drogon stops in to check on her and once he sees she's OK he flies off again.
Unfortunately the prop broke into 3 pieces with a 2 inch section from the center flying off between the hilt and the tip. I'm guessing THAT wasn't supposed to happen :)
Cersei may be a monster, but she loves her children, and her concern for Myrcella is genuine. Remembering that it was Tyrion who sent Myrcella to Dorne, which worries Cersei the most.
cersei does not love her children in the slightest if you believe that you’re actually insane😭 joffrey was the only one she actually had a legitimate bond with and showed she cared about, all she did with tommen was try her best to ruin every single thing that made him happy and take away all his power and authority as a king at every single turn just so she could manipulate the situation and feel as though she was still the one in control of everything, which inevitably leads her into the same situation she put margaery and loras in. and she talks about myrcella like 3 times in 4 seasons 😭
I always find it interesting how people react to Dany's decision to execute the former slave. Is it the right move politically? Of course not. But I guarantee you Ned Stark, Jon Snow and Stannis Baratheon all would have made the same decision to execute him. I wonder what people would have thought of them compared to what they think of Dany? Food for thought.
In fairness I'm not sure there was a right move politically. She'd committed to ruling both the Masters and the former slaves, that was why Barristan warned her to give the Harpy a fair trial. If she didn't punish the former slave it would look as though she was favouring them and the former masters would be more likely to rebel. It was a bit of a lose-lose whatever she did on a political front, unless she came up with some sort of Night's Watch variation that was the usual compromise solution in Westeros.
I find it interesting that Dany was giving a fair trial to the Harpy for murdering an unsullied, (An alley!) but no fair trial for the former slave for murdering a harpy (An enemy!) It was the wrong move, that has lost the trust of the people who supposedly are free, not slaves! The former slave also deserved a fair trial, not just a beheading to prove: "I have Power!"
@@jaybird8192 The Harpy hadn't confessed even though there was some incriminating evidence he still had to be tried and found guilty. The former slave confessed to Dany (in front of witnesses), a trial isn't needed he just needs to be sentenced.
Ned executed a random nobody in the first episode. Dany executed a person who had a little character development added to him + We know how terribly the masters treated the slaves + It isn't difficult to sympathize with a former slave.
@@hokagedlo6133 She executed someone that had a massive crowd begging for mercy for him, while the deserter had no one speaking on his behalf. We can also look at their actions, the deserter deserted his post, so no one besides maybe his parents would beg for mercy on his behalf. This guy murdered an alleged Son of the Harpy, so the former slaves massively support him and wanted mercy. The two executions are not comparable in the slightest as far as in-show people are concerned, and in addition, Ned executed the guy in peacetime/stable rule, she executed this guy in very unstable rule. A better comparison is Robb Stark and Dany. They both executed someone that only led to more instability for their control, when they both probably should have just arrested the guy.
@@JoseRodriguez-st8ks boy what u make no sense. she executed a man that killed someone we still didn't know if guilty or innocent. ned murdered a man for deserting let's bffrr
@@JoseRodriguez-st8ks For fuck's sake, if the traitor had his Night Watch brothers in attendance, maybe they'd have begged, too. And if the crowd hadn't been there for the man Dany executed, no one would have begged. You can't possibly think it's logical to use that as a metric for how deserving someone is for mercy. The law is the law. Dany was already being plenty fair by allowing the master a trial of all things rather than just executing HIM out right. What do you people want? For her to be ruler of a clubhouse, like they're all kids in their friend's backyard? You can't rule a kingdom like that.
Danny is not like a master for killing that kid. She killed the masters for murder and what would she be if she lets her followers commit murder with no consequence? she had to kill him. Like she said. the law is the law. if the punishment for murder is death than that should apply to anyone who murders.
Dani was following Barristan's advice from earlier in the episode, just in the opposite way. The mad king acted as a tyrant because he dealt out punishment how he saw fit instead of being fair. This is mentioned again when Dani says that the law is the law and she cannot make her own decisions to do whatever she wants all the time. This is why she had the former slave killed because he killed a man who was awaiting trial and took the law into his own hands. In this way, because the trial had not concluded, he killed someone who was not necessarily guilty. This would be considered murder. Dany did what Barristan advised earlier in the episode because she executed the former slave despite obviously not wanting to because she likely agreed the man awaiting trial deserved death. However, he was not found guilty yet and the fair response to murder is death.
I just wanna see if they'll also be upset when Jon beheads Janos after he begged for mercy next episode. That'll determine whether my take of them being biased is right or not
@@brentleysadiki358 Not even close to the same scenario. Slint disobeyed a direct order from his lord commander and his pleading for mercy was cowardice which you can't have in the night's watch.
Soooo you want Daeny to give a pass to *confessed* premeditated murder... cause it doesn't count when "good" guys do it? So you're saying you want Daeny to be corrupt... to play favorites...to grant special rights/ privileges for "special" people... in the context of murder, no less. Funny, I got the impression that that was exactly the kind of system we were rooting for Daeny to topple. I thought her advocacy for justice was exactly what we liked about her. But apparently as soon as justice comes at a cost, we want Daeny to be a Mafia boss.
@@andorea11 Why? If the Son of the Harpy that was awaiting trial had been found guilty, do you think he would've gotten anything but the death penalty? So why then would Mossador, having confessed to murdering a citizen of Mereen, deserve less than the death penalty? Again, if we're saying we want Daeny to grant "special" passes/privileges/rights to "special" people, then we're saying we want Daeny to rule Mereen exactly as the Masters did... but I thought we were rooting for her to topple that system.
The amount of shit invented in the minds of those that liked Daeny is at times awe inspiring...I saw that she was insane in the first season and cannot for the life of me understand how ANYONE could not see it and every single season it was worse yet they all were "shocked" by her "sudden" insanity at the end of season 8...this guy here went full cognitive dissonance with his reasoning acting as if having been a slave meant getting a free pass for murder because the person was a master as if that meant he was not human.
@@thomasjones4570 Really? What did you see in the first season ... that would directly correlate to Daenerys willfully incinerating peasants in a surrendered city.... the type of people she'd been repeatedly shown to go out of her way to take a stand for? Cuz over the course of the seven prior seasons, and all but the last 2 episodes of the 8th, I can't recall a single instance of Daeny brutalizing, abusing, or even so much as treating underclass people with indifference. Please cite all your examples of such.
@@clipwtchr30 fucking PROFESSIONALS have done entire talks about this...even Martin himself said it. The woman was treated like trash by her brother and after each time, she displayed total signs of insanity. Stepping into boiling water. Looking into her brothers face as he is murdered horrendously with NO EMOTION. Threatening slaughter for disobedience once she becomes Khaleesi... Martin deliberately wrote her with the worst characteristics of historical leaders and wove a story of appearing moral and upright right along with it to mask it, much like the worst leaders mask their terrible acts in fake morality. He has stated this publicly many times. Deal with it.
I get ppl disagree with Dany's decision, saying she's tyrant. But actually, this one time she actually did the opposite, she acted based on the law even though it's against her belief to protect the common ppl/former slaves. She agreed to give the former master a trial for starter. But then the former slave murdered the prisoner and admitted for his crime. So it's clear that punishment needed to be done. It's pretty straightforward just like when Ned executed the Night's watch deserter on eps 1 for instance. Did the deserter got mercy? No. Was it cruel? Oh yes. But for many, what Ned did was seen as simply following the law. So why different with Dany? I remember back then wishing she did the execution not publicly, but I feel that would probably be taken even worse by the ppl. But letting it slide when she already committed to follow the law and be just to all (both masters & former slaves) would feel like she couldn't keep her own words. There's no winning for Dany. She just had to figure all out with all the consequences.
This is exactly why i think Spartan is so biased against Dany for no reason. But when any other man in the show does it, he's rooting for them.. sucks to see my Dany being called a tyrant by Spartan
@@abisProcrastinationHub but Deny is a tyrant. “They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one”. That's no how the world works. She rules with fear and only fear
The dani scene, the thing is, he directly disobeyed her specific order...doing this in the guise of "I did it for you" could get out of hand if left unchecked...plus it shows that he thinks she is soft
Daenerys is completely right here - killing someone awaiting trial is murder. The Harpy _was_ an innocent man in the eyes of the law, because he hadn't been tried yet. The guy who killed him knew what he was doing, and he did it anyway. I'm pretty sure Ned would have executed him, and I suspect Robb would too. The only thing she didn't do was swing the sword herself, but given that she's not trained to arms, that's merciful on her part - Daario can give him a quick death.
I like the way Pudgey thinks and proposes among a number of possible outcomes based on what she learns from each episode. More often than not, she is right........ Spartan can learn a lot from her.
Dany morally made no mistake, it's the people (the former slaves) who are biased. Dany is trying to make a system where the same rules apply to everyone and those guys thought they can do anything and only the masters will be punished. It's the same situation as episode 5 of the last of us. the people overtook FEDRA and became just as bad.
I agree with Dany's decision here. Killing the Son of the Harpy was ridiculous, he was facing trial and most likely would have been executed anyway. You cant have one rule for one set of people and another rule for the other. Murder is murder. It was premeditated and not in self defence, and in complete defiance of what Dany ordered. She cant pardon a murderer because she agrees with his political ideology. And what does it say about her authority if men in her custody can just be killed on a whim by an enraged activist, again, an act she expressly forbade. Its similar to the decision Robb Stark had to make in Season 3 with Lord Karstark. In both cases they did the right thing, it may not make the most sense politically, but its the lawful thing to do.
Jaqen H'Ghar means "Great Pride" in Dothraki also. Makes his words mean even more and the reason whoever that really is used that name. In the scene where Dany is in the bath talking to Misanday before Dario puts a knife to her throat, she corrects Dany on the pronunciation. Fascinating....
Dany had no choice but to execute the former slave. The Harpy was to be tried, however the former slave murdered him. Murder is punishable by death. She didn’t want to kill him, however she’s the Queen. Ned Stark was forced to execute the Night’s Watch deserter back in the pilot. His only crime was running away from the white walkers after he witnessed them killing his brothers. Now he didn’t deserve to die. There was no backlash for Ned. It’s only because Danaerys is a woman ruler. This is no different than when Rickard Karstark killed the little Lannister boys and Robb executed him. Being a good leader means you must treat everyone equally.
Gday Spartan and Pugdey. I am A HUGE GOT fan. The tv show is all over, no spoilers from me. Just wanted to compliment Pudgey on being quite sharp. As someone that absolutely loved this show, because I LOVE the books, well done fellow Aussies.
@@Mrfrancisfierce not every dany fan is justifying all her actions, I'm a fan of dany and I know she did wrong there and that's makes her more of a human, ruling isn't easy, I get both perspectives from the boy and dany, the boy had to be punished yes but death is too much.
What? Ned carried out a trial and killed the guy with his own hands, and Stannis got a lot of shit for his decisions. They also aren’t the same characters. People praise Littlefinger and Tywin for being crafty and sly, and would dislike Jon or Ned doing the same thing. Characters aren’t equal and don’t have equal expectations. Who cares what other people did? They aren’t relevant.
@@SnailHatan it can matter if there are same scenarios like an execution and there is a good perspective on one and a bad on the other, in both examples Ned and Stannis have killed for the same reason Daenerys did but they don’t receive hate
@@nicolasguzman519 Stannis received a ton of hate for his executions what are you saying? Hardly anyone supported Stannis burning people alive, most viewers disagreed with a lot of his decisions like wanting Gendry to live, Davos to live, Mance to not be burned alive, Stannis' decisions were second-guessed often by viewers and viewers were happy when Stannis didn't get his way. These are not the same scenarios, just because someone gets executed doesn't automatically make it the same scenario as you said, there is a ton of nuance and events leading up to an execution that makes them different. Ned executed a deserter it isn't like there will be a crowd of people begging for mercy for him anyways because he deserted the Night's Watch. In Dany's case there was a massive crowd of ex-slaves pleading for mercy. He definitely needed to be punished, but a public execution didn't gain the support of the Masters, and only damaged her support from the common-people.
@@JoseRodriguez-st8ks Stannis did received hate from some people but at the end of the day he is not normally called “mad” as Daenerys is when she does these kind of things, even so he is called the Mannis in a way of admiration, yes, the scenarios can vary, of course, but the action is the same, Ned could have been surrounded by a lot of people and he would have done it anyway, cause we all know his character and law is law, just like Daenerys specified in this episode, so, having a crowd does not change (or should not) the final sentence, when something like laws are stablished they should not be so easily manipulated by the circumstances, that’s what she wanted to clarify to the citizens here, it’s a normal perspective, when you have a divided city you want to make feel all of them as one, in the good and the bad terms.
The girl with Cersei at the start (with the witch) is Oberyn's sister, Elia Martell. Oberyn's was talking to Tyrion in his cell about a vist to Casterly rock when they were younger, that was it :)
And really naive POV about how Danny delt with the "kid" in the episode. Murder is murder Spartan ;) Of someone waiting trial for murder or not. She should've deal with it differently because it was someone she knew ? She just applied the law as she said, the law is the law, no need for a trial as before this time because the "kid" used this proximity with her to abuse his power and murder someone in a cell wainting to be juged and was caught. If the son of the harpy was fairly judged guilty would you have had the same reaction ? i don't think so. The mistake of Danny was to make it a spectable, like the masters used to do i guess.
Love your reactions as always! I just wanted to tell you both congrats on being able to do this full time! It is always nice to see people that really enjoy what they are doing. You both deserve your success! ❤
Dany’s decision was spot on.. The son of harpy that was supposed to be trialed was found hiding in the wall. That does not incriminate him in any way, there was no proof that he was straight up killing the unsullied. It looks like he was guilty but there was no proof, he could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time (just an example) and that is why sir Baristan Selmy was counseling against killing the son of harpy without proper investigation. As a result, the former slave boy killing the son of harpy before a fair trial was given, is considered plain murder and a hate crime. Danny needed to create an environment where Justice and equal rights were demonstrated for all citizens, even the ones she considers enemies. Now, It was naturally sad to see the oppressed side (the former slaves) getting punished because your instinct is to empathize and pardon them. Even Danny felt it and hesitated, but it had to be done. Because the boy confessed to murder. Empathizing with murder would create more chaos and is wrong considering that the victim was not yet proven to be guilty. If she had pardoned the boy, the people of Meereen would have lost faith in her as a ruler since she cannot act upon her own rules. It was meant to backfire on her, and it put her in a crazy tough position but it was not wrong. Remember Ned stark executing the deserter who saw the white walkers and ran off to warn people. Ned was following the law. The law is unforgiving. No one hated him then. Danny on the other hand, in this scene, did more Justice executing a murderer who confessed, than Ned did executing the deserter whilst not believing his white walker story.
Doran and Oberyn had a division of labor in the family. They knew their roles for their family and each played it for the best of Dorne. Doran in the books: I am not blind, nor deaf. I know you all believe me weak, frightened, feeble. Your father knew me better. Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him. I was the grass. Pleasant, complaisant, sweet-smelling, swaying with every breeze. Who fears to walk upon the grass? But it is the grass that hides the viper from his enemies and shelters him until he strikes.
He was a traitor for going against his Queen's explicit command, and a murderer who didn't care about fair trial - justice was what whatever he thought was right. Danny executed him according to the rule of law, not like the whim of a master.
Just as He’s a kid, she’s also a kid. Imagine being a teenager with that kind army, 3 dragons & have all these pple at your side. Of course she’s going to make mistakes along the way, she’s learning as she goes.
If you read this by any chance Spartan, you could really like the TV Show Rome by HBO because the actor playing Mance Rayder is playing Julius Caesar in Rome, and is even more awesome and with plenty more time to enjoy him. Rome is also kind of the "ancestor" to GoT for HBO, an epic tale where the fantasy aspect of GoT is replaced with the History of Rome but keeping the same ingredients : a lot of politics, wars, violence, awesome characters and trajectories.. Such a great show that definitely open the way for Game of Thrones few years after.
The success of Rome, and Deadwood before that, really allowed HBO to become what it is. I feel those series had a lot to do with kicking-off the binge-watching phenomenon as well.
@@SG-df9er I was so excited when Ciaran Hinds came on the scene as Mance; I know his work as Captain Wentworth in Persuasion and Mr. Rochester in Jane Eyre. I, Claudius - literally have the DVDs in my player this week! (Watched on PBS Masterpiece Theatre 1991 as a break from the news of the Gulf War...) Epic story telling and excellent actors: Derek Jacoby, Sian Phillips, Brian Blessed, John Hurt, Patrick Stewart, John Rhys Davies...
If Danny's decision leaves a distaste in your mouth, why didn't Rob executing the Karstark man for killing the Lannister boys leave a distaste in your mouth? Spartan even praised him for doing what is right instead of what is easy 😂😂😂
Thank you!!! When other characters kill people for not obeying their orders is fine but gods forbid Daenerys doing the same thing! Is not logical and very hypocritical.
@@hopemikaelson9223 Optics. Pure and simple. One was a Karstark Lord who was plainly abusing his authority and slaughtered boys who were effectively just aids rather than fighting men. Meanwhile the freedman killed a known terrorist and unrepentant slaver. In both cases, politically and morally, they're roughly the same. However the optics of the latter is much worse than the optics of the former.
@@hopemikaelson9223 She was always like that though. Every time she make a compassionate decision as a ruler it's because she's been confronted on her original rash judgement by someone else. The final time that happens there's noone to stop her.
Oberyn WAS very cool, but Doran so far seems wise, merciful, and measured -better qualities in a long term leader I would say. Also, there are definitely things Dany has done that I don’t agree with or that leave a bit of a weird taste behind so far, but for me this was not one of them, I think she made the right decision here. At the very least I can see how she was trying to be just.
Since you liked the performance of the actor who played Mans, let me recommend your next series. It’s called Rome, and the actor, whose name is Ciaran Hines, plays Julius Cesar. It is brilliant! Keep up the good work kids!!😊
That boy killed a man awaiting trial. Can't have that. Every single leader you guys like would've made the same decision (Jon, Robb, Stannis, etc.). I feel like your take here is wild. He murdered someone. That's not how law and order works, and that's what Dani is establishing.
@@leticialemos4206 I think the more I watch these reactions, the more I dislike the guy on the right. He’s so condescending and just like hysterically always wrong. Feel for the girl.
I think Rob made the same mistake as Dany by killing that north men, they both were too harsh on their ppl and that put their own against them. It was a mistake by BOTH
I wonder how killing someone is "a mistake". It was pretty much intentional and that's what slaves think now. They want revenge on everyone who is master or who is close to masters. Dany is only needed to give them what they want.
Innocent until proven guilty. The man the former slave killed was not guilty yet as his trial did not take place. Yes, he was most likely guilty and a slaver but if you want to be a ruler then you have to follow the law. Dany took Barristan's advice and did exactly that. She did the right thing.
It's weird how ppl didn't like Danys decision to execute the boy. But in a system where death is the penalty for murder, is it fair to deem one life not worthy of enforcing the law over another, and who's qualified to determine that? Kinda parallels the justice and death penalty system of today and the arguments made of it, right?
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Agreed. It never goes well - look at Greek mythology. And a lot of the time the measures they take to avoid the prophecy end up making it happen.
Spartan, I’m not a huge fan of Dany but that decision she made was IN tune with Barristan Selmy’s advice, not against it. She was convinced to give the Son of the Harpy a fair trial, committing to a sense of law and order for everyone, regardless of what side they had been on. The SOTH could have been executed later if and when he was found guilty. The kid goes and murders him and confesses to having done it. There’s no trial to be had there because he confessed to the crime. If Dany had decided not to carry out justice she’d be a hypocrite, reserving judgement for her “enemies” and mercy for her “friends”. She might’ve made a mistake by doing it publicly but it had to be done. Ask yourself, if this same situation presented itself, would Ned or Robb Stark let them go on account of being on “their side” or would they do their duty and carry out justice?
Ned and Robb would and always did the same thing, that's true. But it's also the reason they lost their political battles and their very lives. If someone wants to be a successful politician in GOT world, they have to be calculating. Dany just proved what she'd said, that she's no politician. And as long as that's true, she cannot be an efficiant ruler.
You can tell Spartan doesn’t really like Dani every decision she makes he says the same thing. If Jon snow made that decision he would have praised him for it
Also, give Cersei's perspective a chance. She's a very complex character and you can enjoy her if you just try to look at the dimensions. She's not just good old evil. There are interesting layers to her. Try to see them.
She is plain evil, she is ridiculously selfish consistently and a bully to everybody.People jump to she loves her kids, what mother doesn't? She Is a fantastic villain and I get rooting for her in that aspect, but she is the definition of evil.
@@DylanLovesBrendaJoffrey was a pure comic book villain and has major issues. Cersei is calculated evil and probably worse considering the fact she raised and enabled him 😂
You two are the best at reaction analysis of GOT I've witnessed and I've watched many others in their response to this program. Even when wrong on possible outcomes, it's entertaining to watch your process. Most impressive.
Let’s not forget that what Dany did is no different to what Rob did when the man took the law into his hands and killed those Lannister boys because the Lannister’s where responsible for killing his son. Was it justified? Yes but was it still against the law? Yes! But people where in Robs side so I don’t understand why people don’t understand Danys choice. She obviously didn’t want to do it but she had to so that she doesn’t look like she’s favouring one side. The slaves thought that she was biased to them because she freed them and was openly against slavery but she didn’t come to execute all the masters if she could avoid it
Cersei is such an interesting character and I sometimes think she gets unfairly blamed for things and disliked in unfair proportion vs what she's done. She is cruel to Tyrion and often to Jaime, she is jealous of Margaery (though that is at least partially because she fears the prophecy), but she really does believe that Tyrion killed her son, her hatred of him slightly blinded her but in fairness he looks like a fairly obvious candidate (his earlier threats to destroy her happiness, he was holding the wine, he regularly insulted and threatened Joffrey and ultimately Sansa's disappearance makes Tyrion look very suspicious). She wasn't really responsible for Oberyn's death even if certain Dornish characters blame her, Oberyn took the trial on willingly and made a mistake at the end. Cersei is also envious of Jaime, she resents being a woman in a man's world and longs for the freedom and love that Jaime gets by virtue of being a man. Her children (and Jaime) she truly loves but I think she sees them only as extensions of herself. She is smart but not as much as she thinks she is, she's often short-sighted. She was also a woman in a loveless and abusive marriage (we all love King Robert but he was not a man you'd want to marry), her father married her off at a young age and she resented losing her agency (hence her refusing to marry Loras). She even had some genuine sympathy for Sansa as she sees a little of a younger version of herself in Sansa. She's not exactly likeable (or rather she is but only in a brilliantly written villain kind of way) but I think she gets a lot of undeserved flack where other characters who are similarly cruel but manipulative get admired. She was responsible for Ned's arrest but in fairness she wanted him sending to the Night's Watch (she tells Joffrey not to execute him), and that was a survival play as he was going to expose her children's parentage. She's one of my favourite characters in GOT because of how believably messy and somewhat tragic her character is, really hope you guys can appreciate the nuance in her character over her upcoming storylines.
„sees the children only as extensions of herself and that‘s why she loves them“ is certainly true of book cersei but I wouldn‘t say the same for show cersei. I do believe that show cersei loves her kids genuinely.
@dreamfyre yeah it sometimes gets muddled between show and book as I read them concurrently! But yeah I do think her love particularly of Tommen and Myrcella is genuine, and that is why she's so afraid of the prophecy, now that Joffrey's died and Tywin can't protect them she's terrified that Myrcella and Tommen are next.
it's because people have the superhero outlook in films, they like the good and hate the bad even if the "bad guy" is reasonable. it's a very closed minded way of thinking. I admire cersei's love for her children
Dany's problem is that she's starting something new. She doesn't have generations of habit and custom to rely on, what she has is popularity and might. The problem with ruling by popularity, as she does with the freemen of Meereen, is that as soon as you do something unpopular, you have no followers.
Oberyns brother is not a defeated man, he is more like a wise and patient leader, he did what was best for his family and his people even if it wasn't what they wanted(since most people are impatient and think with instincts instead of with the brain), being a just leader isn't always very popular since people want action and revenge even at the cost of peace and lives Oh by the way, Jaqen H'ghar isn't his name, a man has no name 🙂
Jon killed members of the Watch for disrespecting his orders, Ned killed people for deserting the Watch but Daenerys killing a man for disrespecting her orders was wrong?! That doesn't make sense. She gave him an order and he disrespected it, therefore she needed to execute him, otherwise everyone would disrespect her commands.
To be honest if Dany didn't kill him it would show she was a corrupt leader that makes the law only in favour to her. It's same way why we don't allow vigilantes in our society, there is a reason why you get on trial in many countries if you take the law or decision in your own hand to kill a murderer or anything else despite how horrible the person is. Unless it is clear self defence.
The Lannister prisoners were just boys and squires; whereas, it was pitifully obvious the person the former slave killed was a Son of the Harpy. The Lannister prisoners were hostages, and were not on trial for any crime. The two are not even close to the same.
@@Silver_Owl Summary executions of the guilty are not the basis of any just system of law. This is GoT, not modern times. In other words, the institutions that lend toward a just system of law have not yet been built, especially in this new society Dany is trying to create from the ashes of entrenched oppression.
@@sethtedder7239 The Harpy is still innocent until proven guilty by any just system of laws, regardless of whether that society has those laws. If murder isn't punished, it's still murder. If you want to argue Robb was wrong as well, then fair enough, but allocat5867 is still right, both Robb and Daenerys executed someone who admitted to murder. Either they're both right, or they're both wrong.
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Can either of you ever imagine feeling sad for Sersi, or even rooting for her at least a little bit?
Drogon felt that Dani was in danger earlier, and just came to check on her, make sure she was okay. This is to insinuate that her bond with her dragons is beyond emotional, but almost like a psychic link too. Great reactions!
That’s right, I also interpret that scene like Drogon denying this version of Daenerys, ruling and having fear, he knows what she is and came to remind her that.
She is a conqueror after all.
That's a stretch
@@drunkgamer7539 not really, considering later scenes kinda confirm it. (Not gonna say it to avoid spoilers)
Pfffth! IF 'deep inside' an ASSHOLE - Your Dragon wil be too, right*!?
*untill You die and they...go...on? = Good/bad....until another ass+ shows up...
@@drunkgamer7539 definitely not a stretch, it’s pretty well known that the Dragonriders have a almost psychic connections with the dragons…if you think that’s a stretch you probably aren’t that familiar with the lore.
Alliser Thorne was Targaryen loyalist, and Ned helped Robert dispose of his King. He ended up at the wall after the Rebellion. He takes it out on Jon.
Aye, thanks for that.
The irony on that after you know 😂
This episode is when I really started believing that Danny's dragons are permenantly connected emotionally or mentally with Danny. We haven't seen Drogo for a long time. And on the very day that Danny pisses off the populace for the very 1st time. Drogon stops in to check on her and once he sees she's OK he flies off again.
I don't know if you've noticed: But Brienne chopped through the sword of the mounted knight. Just to show how much more powerful Valerian steel is.
Unfortunately the prop broke into 3 pieces with a 2 inch section from the center flying off between the hilt and the tip. I'm guessing THAT wasn't supposed to happen :)
I love it when Pudgy gets the giggles while Spartan sits there with a straight face although he cracked a couple of times.
😂
Cersei may be a monster, but she loves her children, and her concern for Myrcella is genuine. Remembering that it was Tyrion who sent Myrcella to Dorne, which worries Cersei the most.
👏👏👏
And what the witch said.
cersei does not love her children in the slightest if you believe that you’re actually insane😭 joffrey was the only one she actually had a legitimate bond with and showed she cared about, all she did with tommen was try her best to ruin every single thing that made him happy and take away all his power and authority as a king at every single turn just so she could manipulate the situation and feel as though she was still the one in control of everything, which inevitably leads her into the same situation she put margaery and loras in. and she talks about myrcella like 3 times in 4 seasons 😭
The moment Pudgey's been waiting for- Jaka Haka!
I always find it interesting how people react to Dany's decision to execute the former slave. Is it the right move politically? Of course not. But I guarantee you Ned Stark, Jon Snow and Stannis Baratheon all would have made the same decision to execute him. I wonder what people would have thought of them compared to what they think of Dany? Food for thought.
this!!!
In fairness I'm not sure there was a right move politically. She'd committed to ruling both the Masters and the former slaves, that was why Barristan warned her to give the Harpy a fair trial. If she didn't punish the former slave it would look as though she was favouring them and the former masters would be more likely to rebel. It was a bit of a lose-lose whatever she did on a political front, unless she came up with some sort of Night's Watch variation that was the usual compromise solution in Westeros.
I find it interesting that Dany was giving a fair trial to the Harpy for murdering an unsullied, (An alley!) but no fair trial for the former slave for murdering a harpy (An enemy!) It was the wrong move, that has lost the trust of the people who supposedly are free, not slaves! The former slave also deserved a fair trial, not just a beheading to prove: "I have Power!"
@@jaybird8192 The Harpy hadn't confessed even though there was some incriminating evidence he still had to be tried and found guilty. The former slave confessed to Dany (in front of witnesses), a trial isn't needed he just needs to be sentenced.
@@beclou9832 false logic tho, even with confession, the trial is needed
Doran describes himself as the grass that hides the red Viper before he strikes. He's interesting in the books
Never read the books, but I Always thought he was way more interesting than he outwardly appears. The actor has a lot going on behind his eyes.
@@SnailHatan in the books he has so many kettles in the fire he makes Petyr Baelish look like a joke. Problem is his children/nieces are stupid lmao.
"I am the oldest of my mother's children, and yet I am the last. Old and weak."
The law is the law. Nobody had a distaste in their mouth when Ned executed that nights watch deserter without a trial.
Ned executed a random nobody in the first episode.
Dany executed a person who had a little character development added to him + We know how terribly the masters treated the slaves + It isn't difficult to sympathize with a former slave.
@@TheEncrypto so you're biased and you're not even pretending to be otherwise 😂😂 interesting take.
@@hokagedlo6133 She executed someone that had a massive crowd begging for mercy for him, while the deserter had no one speaking on his behalf. We can also look at their actions, the deserter deserted his post, so no one besides maybe his parents would beg for mercy on his behalf. This guy murdered an alleged Son of the Harpy, so the former slaves massively support him and wanted mercy. The two executions are not comparable in the slightest as far as in-show people are concerned, and in addition, Ned executed the guy in peacetime/stable rule, she executed this guy in very unstable rule. A better comparison is Robb Stark and Dany. They both executed someone that only led to more instability for their control, when they both probably should have just arrested the guy.
@@JoseRodriguez-st8ks boy what u make no sense. she executed a man that killed someone we still didn't know if guilty or innocent. ned murdered a man for deserting let's bffrr
@@JoseRodriguez-st8ks For fuck's sake, if the traitor had his Night Watch brothers in attendance, maybe they'd have begged, too. And if the crowd hadn't been there for the man Dany executed, no one would have begged. You can't possibly think it's logical to use that as a metric for how deserving someone is for mercy. The law is the law. Dany was already being plenty fair by allowing the master a trial of all things rather than just executing HIM out right. What do you people want? For her to be ruler of a clubhouse, like they're all kids in their friend's backyard? You can't rule a kingdom like that.
"He was the Commander we turned to when the Night was Darkest" Still get choked up by that line.
Danny is not like a master for killing that kid. She killed the masters for murder and what would she be if she lets her followers commit murder with no consequence? she had to kill him. Like she said. the law is the law. if the punishment for murder is death than that should apply to anyone who murders.
Not really, if someone confess the crime like he did they show mercy and gets a softer treat in the law
Dani was following Barristan's advice from earlier in the episode, just in the opposite way. The mad king acted as a tyrant because he dealt out punishment how he saw fit instead of being fair. This is mentioned again when Dani says that the law is the law and she cannot make her own decisions to do whatever she wants all the time. This is why she had the former slave killed because he killed a man who was awaiting trial and took the law into his own hands. In this way, because the trial had not concluded, he killed someone who was not necessarily guilty. This would be considered murder. Dany did what Barristan advised earlier in the episode because she executed the former slave despite obviously not wanting to because she likely agreed the man awaiting trial deserved death. However, he was not found guilty yet and the fair response to murder is death.
I just wanna see if they'll also be upset when Jon beheads Janos after he begged for mercy next episode. That'll determine whether my take of them being biased is right or not
@@brentleysadiki358 Spoilers.
@@MaynardsSpaceship they're way past that episode now
@@brentleysadiki358 Not even close to the same scenario. Slint disobeyed a direct order from his lord commander and his pleading for mercy was cowardice which you can't have in the night's watch.
@@rudy_4ier I thought the mods had a no tolerance thing going on for the channel.
Soooo you want Daeny to give a pass to *confessed* premeditated murder... cause it doesn't count when "good" guys do it? So you're saying you want Daeny to be corrupt... to play favorites...to grant special rights/ privileges for "special" people... in the context of murder, no less. Funny, I got the impression that that was exactly the kind of system we were rooting for Daeny to topple. I thought her advocacy for justice was exactly what we liked about her. But apparently as soon as justice comes at a cost, we want Daeny to be a Mafia boss.
It definitely helps a confession, he could go to their jail or be condemn to something but death penalty was too much for the situation.
@@andorea11 Why? If the Son of the Harpy that was awaiting trial had been found guilty, do you think he would've gotten anything but the death penalty? So why then would Mossador, having confessed to murdering a citizen of Mereen, deserve less than the death penalty? Again, if we're saying we want Daeny to grant "special" passes/privileges/rights to "special" people, then we're saying we want Daeny to rule Mereen exactly as the Masters did... but I thought we were rooting for her to topple that system.
The amount of shit invented in the minds of those that liked Daeny is at times awe inspiring...I saw that she was insane in the first season and cannot for the life of me understand how ANYONE could not see it and every single season it was worse yet they all were "shocked" by her "sudden" insanity at the end of season 8...this guy here went full cognitive dissonance with his reasoning acting as if having been a slave meant getting a free pass for murder because the person was a master as if that meant he was not human.
@@thomasjones4570 Really? What did you see in the first season ... that would directly correlate to Daenerys willfully incinerating peasants in a surrendered city.... the type of people she'd been repeatedly shown to go out of her way to take a stand for? Cuz over the course of the seven prior seasons, and all but the last 2 episodes of the 8th, I can't recall a single instance of Daeny brutalizing, abusing, or even so much as treating underclass people with indifference. Please cite all your examples of such.
@@clipwtchr30 fucking PROFESSIONALS have done entire talks about this...even Martin himself said it.
The woman was treated like trash by her brother and after each time, she displayed total signs of insanity.
Stepping into boiling water. Looking into her brothers face as he is murdered horrendously with NO EMOTION. Threatening slaughter for disobedience once she becomes Khaleesi...
Martin deliberately wrote her with the worst characteristics of historical leaders and wove a story of appearing moral and upright right along with it to mask it, much like the worst leaders mask their terrible acts in fake morality. He has stated this publicly many times. Deal with it.
The guy that got executed by Danny was not a child he just looked Very young... He was actually on her council so he was definitely not a child
Not anywhere, even GoT, premeditated murder is not a "mistake" lol.
I get ppl disagree with Dany's decision, saying she's tyrant. But actually, this one time she actually did the opposite, she acted based on the law even though it's against her belief to protect the common ppl/former slaves. She agreed to give the former master a trial for starter. But then the former slave murdered the prisoner and admitted for his crime. So it's clear that punishment needed to be done. It's pretty straightforward just like when Ned executed the Night's watch deserter on eps 1 for instance. Did the deserter got mercy? No. Was it cruel? Oh yes. But for many, what Ned did was seen as simply following the law. So why different with Dany?
I remember back then wishing she did the execution not publicly, but I feel that would probably be taken even worse by the ppl. But letting it slide when she already committed to follow the law and be just to all (both masters & former slaves) would feel like she couldn't keep her own words. There's no winning for Dany. She just had to figure all out with all the consequences.
This is exactly why i think Spartan is so biased against Dany for no reason. But when any other man in the show does it, he's rooting for them.. sucks to see my Dany being called a tyrant by Spartan
@@abisProcrastinationHub but Deny is a tyrant. “They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one”. That's no how the world works. She rules with fear and only fear
The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword though
@@abisProcrastinationHub he’s not biased , it’s pretty clear for most people that she can be to ruthless sometimes compared to Jon
yes!! this comment
Imagine being shocked that a murderer gets sentenced to death for murdering someone.
He confessed, in westeros and essos that makes a difference
@@andorea11only in westeros, hence the wall sentence.
The dani scene, the thing is, he directly disobeyed her specific order...doing this in the guise of "I did it for you" could get out of hand if left unchecked...plus it shows that he thinks she is soft
Daenerys is completely right here - killing someone awaiting trial is murder. The Harpy _was_ an innocent man in the eyes of the law, because he hadn't been tried yet. The guy who killed him knew what he was doing, and he did it anyway. I'm pretty sure Ned would have executed him, and I suspect Robb would too. The only thing she didn't do was swing the sword herself, but given that she's not trained to arms, that's merciful on her part - Daario can give him a quick death.
Fun fact: Daniel Portman (Podrick) is actually excellent at horsemanship, he had to try REALLY hard to ride that badly.
I love that fact.
It makes sense they'd cast Podrick with someone who could ride though.
I like the way Pudgey thinks and proposes among a number of possible outcomes based on what she learns from each episode. More often than not, she is right........ Spartan can learn a lot from her.
Dany morally made no mistake, it's the people (the former slaves) who are biased. Dany is trying to make a system where the same rules apply to everyone and those guys thought they can do anything and only the masters will be punished. It's the same situation as episode 5 of the last of us. the people overtook FEDRA and became just as bad.
I agree with Dany's decision here. Killing the Son of the Harpy was ridiculous, he was facing trial and most likely would have been executed anyway. You cant have one rule for one set of people and another rule for the other. Murder is murder. It was premeditated and not in self defence, and in complete defiance of what Dany ordered. She cant pardon a murderer because she agrees with his political ideology. And what does it say about her authority if men in her custody can just be killed on a whim by an enraged activist, again, an act she expressly forbade. Its similar to the decision Robb Stark had to make in Season 3 with Lord Karstark. In both cases they did the right thing, it may not make the most sense politically, but its the lawful thing to do.
"-we recognize no other king but the king in the north whose name is Stark!" I adore this!!❤❤❤
Lmao I love when Spartan messes up a word and Pudgy just dies of laughter 😂
You guys are picking up on so many clues. And I am here for it.
There was no reason for Dorian to get revenge for Oberyn. Oberyn chose to go into the match, knowing if he lost he'd die.
Jaqen H'Ghar means "Great Pride" in Dothraki also. Makes his words mean even more and the reason whoever that really is used that name. In the scene where Dany is in the bath talking to Misanday before Dario puts a knife to her throat, she corrects Dany on the pronunciation. Fascinating....
I love how in sync you both are. 9:34 He just moves his classes and she is decked..... Fantastic lol
if it was jon or some stark making that decision you wouldn't think he was a tyrant...
Dany had no choice but to execute the former slave. The Harpy was to be tried, however the former slave murdered him. Murder is punishable by death. She didn’t want to kill him, however she’s the Queen. Ned Stark was forced to execute the Night’s Watch deserter back in the pilot. His only crime was running away from the white walkers after he witnessed them killing his brothers. Now he didn’t deserve to die. There was no backlash for Ned. It’s only because Danaerys is a woman ruler. This is no different than when Rickard Karstark killed the little Lannister boys and Robb executed him. Being a good leader means you must treat everyone equally.
There is nothing better than seeing Pudgey laugh at silly things and seeing Spartan being annoyed by it :) lol
Spartan, never leave this woman ❤❤❤
Snow! Snow! Snow! Sn - Spartan wer u at fam???
Gday Spartan and Pugdey. I am A HUGE GOT fan. The tv show is all over, no spoilers from me. Just wanted to compliment Pudgey on being quite sharp. As someone that absolutely loved this show, because I LOVE the books, well done fellow Aussies.
How does Dany's decision make her any simmilar to the Masters? She judged a guy who murdered someone who was waiting for a trial.😊
danny fan boy huh
@@Mrfrancisfierce you are brainless ? she is right it's not about being fan or not
@@Mrfrancisfierce who?
@@andyfern8923 you bozo
@@Mrfrancisfierce not every dany fan is justifying all her actions, I'm a fan of dany and I know she did wrong there and that's makes her more of a human, ruling isn't easy, I get both perspectives from the boy and dany, the boy had to be punished yes but death is too much.
The Titan of Braavos is based on the Colossus of Rhodes 😊
What Dany did was not dissimilar to what both Stannis and Ned have done
What? Ned carried out a trial and killed the guy with his own hands, and Stannis got a lot of shit for his decisions. They also aren’t the same characters. People praise Littlefinger and Tywin for being crafty and sly, and would dislike Jon or Ned doing the same thing. Characters aren’t equal and don’t have equal expectations. Who cares what other people did? They aren’t relevant.
@@SnailHatan it can matter if there are same scenarios like an execution and there is a good perspective on one and a bad on the other, in both examples Ned and Stannis have killed for the same reason Daenerys did but they don’t receive hate
@@SnailHatan there was no trial in both cases the suspect straight up confessed. Stop being biased
@@nicolasguzman519 Stannis received a ton of hate for his executions what are you saying? Hardly anyone supported Stannis burning people alive, most viewers disagreed with a lot of his decisions like wanting Gendry to live, Davos to live, Mance to not be burned alive, Stannis' decisions were second-guessed often by viewers and viewers were happy when Stannis didn't get his way. These are not the same scenarios, just because someone gets executed doesn't automatically make it the same scenario as you said, there is a ton of nuance and events leading up to an execution that makes them different. Ned executed a deserter it isn't like there will be a crowd of people begging for mercy for him anyways because he deserted the Night's Watch. In Dany's case there was a massive crowd of ex-slaves pleading for mercy. He definitely needed to be punished, but a public execution didn't gain the support of the Masters, and only damaged her support from the common-people.
@@JoseRodriguez-st8ks Stannis did received hate from some people but at the end of the day he is not normally called “mad” as Daenerys is when she does these kind of things, even so he is called the Mannis in a way of admiration, yes, the scenarios can vary, of course, but the action is the same, Ned could have been surrounded by a lot of people and he would have done it anyway, cause we all know his character and law is law, just like Daenerys specified in this episode, so, having a crowd does not change (or should not) the final sentence, when something like laws are stablished they should not be so easily manipulated by the circumstances, that’s what she wanted to clarify to the citizens here, it’s a normal perspective, when you have a divided city you want to make feel all of them as one, in the good and the bad terms.
The girl with Cersei at the start (with the witch) is Oberyn's sister, Elia Martell. Oberyn's was talking to Tyrion in his cell about a vist to Casterly rock when they were younger, that was it :)
And really naive POV about how Danny delt with the "kid" in the episode. Murder is murder Spartan ;) Of someone waiting trial for murder or not. She should've deal with it differently because it was someone she knew ? She just applied the law as she said, the law is the law, no need for a trial as before this time because the "kid" used this proximity with her to abuse his power and murder someone in a cell wainting to be juged and was caught. If the son of the harpy was fairly judged guilty would you have had the same reaction ? i don't think so. The mistake of Danny was to make it a spectable, like the masters used to do i guess.
I absolutely love these two. The way they banter with each other just makes me smile. ❤
Love your reactions as always! I just wanted to tell you both congrats on being able to do this full time! It is always nice to see people that really enjoy what they are doing. You both deserve your success! ❤
Wow, the minute that i needed you two the most!
The face change at 13:18 is so perfect, I watched it over and over again😂
Pudgey's laughter is fucking hilarious. Spartan can't stand it. Perfect chemistry as a couple and as entertainers
My two favorite youtube Aussie's! So glad I found your channel during The Last Of Us episodes. Your both are awesome!
thanks!! ❤❤
I wanted to say thanks for keeping the laughing fits in. They are one of my favorite parts.
Dany’s decision was spot on.. The son of harpy that was supposed to be trialed was found hiding in the wall. That does not incriminate him in any way, there was no proof that he was straight up killing the unsullied. It looks like he was guilty but there was no proof, he could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time (just an example) and that is why sir Baristan Selmy was counseling against killing the son of harpy without proper investigation.
As a result, the former slave boy killing the son of harpy before a fair trial was given, is considered plain murder and a hate crime. Danny needed to create an environment where Justice and equal rights were demonstrated for all citizens, even the ones she considers enemies.
Now, It was naturally sad to see the oppressed side (the former slaves) getting punished because your instinct is to empathize and pardon them. Even Danny felt it and hesitated, but it had to be done. Because the boy confessed to murder. Empathizing with murder would create more chaos and is wrong considering that the victim was not yet proven to be guilty. If she had pardoned the boy, the people of Meereen would have lost faith in her as a ruler since she cannot act upon her own rules.
It was meant to backfire on her, and it put her in a crazy tough position but it was not wrong.
Remember Ned stark executing the deserter who saw the white walkers and ran off to warn people. Ned was following the law. The law is unforgiving. No one hated him then. Danny on the other hand, in this scene, did more Justice executing a murderer who confessed, than Ned did executing the deserter whilst not believing his white walker story.
I love it !! I absolutely love whe Pudgey laughs it is just so infectious.
You two are so adorable when you both get caught in a giggle fit. Its quite contagious. 😆
Doran and Oberyn had a division of labor in the family. They knew their roles for their family and each played it for the best of Dorne. Doran in the books: I am not blind, nor deaf. I know you all believe me weak, frightened, feeble. Your father knew me better. Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him. I was the grass. Pleasant, complaisant, sweet-smelling, swaying with every breeze. Who fears to walk upon the grass? But it is the grass that hides the viper from his enemies and shelters him until he strikes.
pudgey, when you look at him with disgust and laugh uncontrollably at him makes me so happy.
He was a traitor for going against his Queen's explicit command, and a murderer who didn't care about fair trial - justice was what whatever he thought was right. Danny executed him according to the rule of law, not like the whim of a master.
Just as He’s a kid, she’s also a kid. Imagine being a teenager with that kind army, 3 dragons & have all these pple at your side. Of course she’s going to make mistakes along the way, she’s learning as she goes.
If you read this by any chance Spartan, you could really like the TV Show Rome by HBO because the actor playing Mance Rayder is playing Julius Caesar in Rome, and is even more awesome and with plenty more time to enjoy him. Rome is also kind of the "ancestor" to GoT for HBO, an epic tale where the fantasy aspect of GoT is replaced with the History of Rome but keeping the same ingredients : a lot of politics, wars, violence, awesome characters and trajectories.. Such a great show that definitely open the way for Game of Thrones few years after.
The success of Rome, and Deadwood before that, really allowed HBO to become what it is. I feel those series had a lot to do with kicking-off the binge-watching phenomenon as well.
Yeah they defiantly need to watch Rome.
@@SG-df9er I was so excited when Ciaran Hinds came on the scene as Mance; I know his work as Captain Wentworth in Persuasion and Mr. Rochester in Jane Eyre.
I, Claudius - literally have the DVDs in my player this week! (Watched on PBS Masterpiece Theatre 1991 as a break from the news of the Gulf War...) Epic story telling and excellent actors: Derek Jacoby, Sian Phillips, Brian Blessed, John Hurt, Patrick Stewart, John Rhys Davies...
Thanks! ill check it out 😊
Duran and Oberon are a combo. Oberon is the red viper, but Duran is the grass he hides in waiting to strike.
If Danny's decision leaves a distaste in your mouth, why didn't Rob executing the Karstark man for killing the Lannister boys leave a distaste in your mouth? Spartan even praised him for doing what is right instead of what is easy 😂😂😂
Thank you!!! When other characters kill people for not obeying their orders is fine but gods forbid Daenerys doing the same thing! Is not logical and very hypocritical.
I can already tell these two are going to say that Danny's full character arc is befitting because "she was always like that".
@@hopemikaelson9223 Optics. Pure and simple. One was a Karstark Lord who was plainly abusing his authority and slaughtered boys who were effectively just aids rather than fighting men. Meanwhile the freedman killed a known terrorist and unrepentant slaver.
In both cases, politically and morally, they're roughly the same. However the optics of the latter is much worse than the optics of the former.
@@hopemikaelson9223 She was always like that though. Every time she make a compassionate decision as a ruler it's because she's been confronted on her original rash judgement by someone else. The final time that happens there's noone to stop her.
Well to be fair, Karstark killed innocent children & that guy killed a former slave owner who was trying to kill the queen
Oberyn WAS very cool, but Doran so far seems wise, merciful, and measured -better qualities in a long term leader I would say. Also, there are definitely things Dany has done that I don’t agree with or that leave a bit of a weird taste behind so far, but for me this was not one of them, I think she made the right decision here. At the very least I can see how she was trying to be just.
Since you liked the performance of the actor who played Mans, let me recommend your next series. It’s called Rome, and the actor, whose name is Ciaran Hines, plays Julius Cesar. It is brilliant! Keep up the good work kids!!😊
Mans = Mance
Ciaran Hines = Ciarán Hinds
You're welcome!
Eh, Rome was pretty underwhelming. Last Kingdom would be better.
100% agree, HBO Rome is fantastic.
Dany and Jon actually has a lot of parallels.
a song of ice and fire
That boy killed a man awaiting trial. Can't have that. Every single leader you guys like would've made the same decision (Jon, Robb, Stannis, etc.). I feel like your take here is wild. He murdered someone. That's not how law and order works, and that's what Dani is establishing.
She's a woman...so ofc they would call her crazy and wrong
@@leticialemos4206 I think the more I watch these reactions, the more I dislike the guy on the right. He’s so condescending and just like hysterically always wrong. Feel for the girl.
I think Rob made the same mistake as Dany by killing that north men, they both were too harsh on their ppl and that put their own against them. It was a mistake by BOTH
Its Jaka haka time
I wonder how killing someone is "a mistake". It was pretty much intentional and that's what slaves think now. They want revenge on everyone who is master or who is close to masters. Dany is only needed to give them what they want.
Indeed; in a society of laws it's called murder not "a mistake".
Spartan is definitely team Jon and Pudgey is team Dany. Spartan is 100% anti- Targaryen
Who isn't anti Targaryen??
@@siran424 Targaryen fans which is a lot
@@siran424 HBO. They made a show about the Targaryens. Can't say the same about the Starks
@@joshevanoni1193
And that show has turned out to be shit, just as expected 😂
@@siran424Yeah so shit it got picked up for season 2 after episode 1 cuz it broke streaming records at HBO 🙄
Innocent until proven guilty. The man the former slave killed was not guilty yet as his trial did not take place. Yes, he was most likely guilty and a slaver but if you want to be a ruler then you have to follow the law. Dany took Barristan's advice and did exactly that. She did the right thing.
0:39 Careful looking up actors Pudgey, that's how people get spoiled.
Pudgey popped off in that intro 🔥🔥
It's weird how ppl didn't like Danys decision to execute the boy. But in a system where death is the penalty for murder, is it fair to deem one life not worthy of enforcing the law over another, and who's qualified to determine that? Kinda parallels the justice and death penalty system of today and the arguments made of it, right?
The legendary "Jaime Fookin Lannister" meme😂😂😂. Forgot Bronn said that in this episode😂.
I mean. . . it was Tyrion who made the call to sent Myrcella to Dorne, not Cersei. What happens to her is kind of Tyrion's fault.
"Dude, what are you doing? Not for Cersei, please, she isn't worth it."
Honestly Spartan, that quote could be the title of this show.
Danny made the right call. People just suck and are always going to disagree
I think the "you might not like the answers" could be just based on her experience as a witch offering people to ask 3 questions.
I would think so. I mean it's the nature of prophecy - when did foreseeing the future _ever_ have good consequences?
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Agreed. It never goes well - look at Greek mythology. And a lot of the time the measures they take to avoid the prophecy end up making it happen.
Dany did the right thing.
Spartan, I’m not a huge fan of Dany but that decision she made was IN tune with Barristan Selmy’s advice, not against it. She was convinced to give the Son of the Harpy a fair trial, committing to a sense of law and order for everyone, regardless of what side they had been on. The SOTH could have been executed later if and when he was found guilty. The kid goes and murders him and confesses to having done it. There’s no trial to be had there because he confessed to the crime. If Dany had decided not to carry out justice she’d be a hypocrite, reserving judgement for her “enemies” and mercy for her “friends”. She might’ve made a mistake by doing it publicly but it had to be done.
Ask yourself, if this same situation presented itself, would Ned or Robb Stark let them go on account of being on “their side” or would they do their duty and carry out justice?
Ned and Robb would and always did the same thing, that's true. But it's also the reason they lost their political battles and their very lives. If someone wants to be a successful politician in GOT world, they have to be calculating. Dany just proved what she'd said, that she's no politician. And as long as that's true, she cannot be an efficiant ruler.
You can tell Spartan doesn’t really like Dani every decision she makes he says the same thing. If Jon snow made that decision he would have praised him for it
Today's introduction covered lots of great theories it just makes the episode more interesting
12:24 “There’s an interesting riddle here.”
Lol I wish.
“Skull, skull, skull” lol I started laughing just as hard what a goof
I believe he thought it was ''Skal'', he mentioned Vikings
Also, give Cersei's perspective a chance. She's a very complex character and you can enjoy her if you just try to look at the dimensions. She's not just good old evil. There are interesting layers to her. Try to see them.
It’s so true you love to hate her. But it’s not the same hate you have like Joffrey for instance.
I hate everything about her
She is plain evil, she is ridiculously selfish consistently and a bully to everybody.People jump to she loves her kids, what mother doesn't?
She Is a fantastic villain and I get rooting for her in that aspect, but she is the definition of evil.
@@DylanLovesBrendaJoffrey was a pure comic book villain and has major issues. Cersei is calculated evil and probably worse considering the fact she raised and enabled him 😂
I love that you guys are nerding out finally lol
The Bravos Giant, actually represents one of the wonders of the Ancient world, the Colossus of Rhodes.
You two are the best at reaction analysis of GOT I've witnessed and I've watched many others in their response to this program. Even when wrong on possible outcomes, it's entertaining to watch your process. Most impressive.
Let’s not forget that what Dany did is no different to what Rob did when the man took the law into his hands and killed those Lannister boys because the Lannister’s where responsible for killing his son. Was it justified? Yes but was it still against the law? Yes! But people where in Robs side so I don’t understand why people don’t understand Danys choice. She obviously didn’t want to do it but she had to so that she doesn’t look like she’s favouring one side. The slaves thought that she was biased to them because she freed them and was openly against slavery but she didn’t come to execute all the masters if she could avoid it
Cersei is such an interesting character and I sometimes think she gets unfairly blamed for things and disliked in unfair proportion vs what she's done.
She is cruel to Tyrion and often to Jaime, she is jealous of Margaery (though that is at least partially because she fears the prophecy), but she really does believe that Tyrion killed her son, her hatred of him slightly blinded her but in fairness he looks like a fairly obvious candidate (his earlier threats to destroy her happiness, he was holding the wine, he regularly insulted and threatened Joffrey and ultimately Sansa's disappearance makes Tyrion look very suspicious).
She wasn't really responsible for Oberyn's death even if certain Dornish characters blame her, Oberyn took the trial on willingly and made a mistake at the end. Cersei is also envious of Jaime, she resents being a woman in a man's world and longs for the freedom and love that Jaime gets by virtue of being a man.
Her children (and Jaime) she truly loves but I think she sees them only as extensions of herself. She is smart but not as much as she thinks she is, she's often short-sighted. She was also a woman in a loveless and abusive marriage (we all love King Robert but he was not a man you'd want to marry), her father married her off at a young age and she resented losing her agency (hence her refusing to marry Loras). She even had some genuine sympathy for Sansa as she sees a little of a younger version of herself in Sansa.
She's not exactly likeable (or rather she is but only in a brilliantly written villain kind of way) but I think she gets a lot of undeserved flack where other characters who are similarly cruel but manipulative get admired. She was responsible for Ned's arrest but in fairness she wanted him sending to the Night's Watch (she tells Joffrey not to execute him), and that was a survival play as he was going to expose her children's parentage.
She's one of my favourite characters in GOT because of how believably messy and somewhat tragic her character is, really hope you guys can appreciate the nuance in her character over her upcoming storylines.
Exactly 👏 She's my favourite character. She's cruel, but she's so well written.
I hope they read this! I love their reactions, they are a nice routine of my day, but sometimes she receives a lot of unfair criticisms (and hate.)
„sees the children only as extensions of herself and that‘s why she loves them“ is certainly true of book cersei but I wouldn‘t say the same for show cersei. I do believe that show cersei loves her kids genuinely.
@dreamfyre yeah it sometimes gets muddled between show and book as I read them concurrently! But yeah I do think her love particularly of Tommen and Myrcella is genuine, and that is why she's so afraid of the prophecy, now that Joffrey's died and Tywin can't protect them she's terrified that Myrcella and Tommen are next.
it's because people have the superhero outlook in films, they like the good and hate the bad even if the "bad guy" is reasonable. it's a very closed minded way of thinking. I admire cersei's love for her children
Dany's problem is that she's starting something new. She doesn't have generations of habit and custom to rely on, what she has is popularity and might. The problem with ruling by popularity, as she does with the freemen of Meereen, is that as soon as you do something unpopular, you have no followers.
I didn't see you guys judge Ned Stark for beheading that boy who managed to escape the white walkers
exactly
it was the same mistake but dany had entire city watching and huge responsibility.
We definitely didn't think it was the right decision... but we get where Ned was coming from.. .same with dany
Marcella sent to dorne by tyrion and cersei never wanted to kill oberyn, oberyn died because of his foolery in battle.
Oberyns brother is not a defeated man, he is more like a wise and patient leader, he did what was best for his family and his people even if it wasn't what they wanted(since most people are impatient and think with instincts instead of with the brain), being a just leader isn't always very popular since people want action and revenge even at the cost of peace and lives
Oh by the way, Jaqen H'ghar isn't his name, a man has no name 🙂
It’s literally funny to see them shocked at Danny but not Rob when he did the same thing lol
Jon killed members of the Watch for disrespecting his orders, Ned killed people for deserting the Watch but Daenerys killing a man for disrespecting her orders was wrong?! That doesn't make sense. She gave him an order and he disrespected it, therefore she needed to execute him, otherwise everyone would disrespect her commands.
To be honest if Dany didn't kill him it would show she was a corrupt leader that makes the law only in favour to her.
It's same way why we don't allow vigilantes in our society, there is a reason why you get on trial in many countries if you take the law or decision in your own hand to kill a murderer or anything else despite how horrible the person is. Unless it is clear self defence.
"Bear Island knows no King but the King in the North, who's name is Stark."
Don't you ever forget that.🥺
I'm watching for the 10th time when Pudgey starts laughing and there is no sound for the longest time :) ( 9:36 )
woooo good morning everyone :)
The Actor who played Manz Raider was actually the same guy who played Dumbledore's Bro in the last Harry Potter Movie
Dany didn't execute Mossador for disobeying her. She executed him for murder. The punishment for murder is death. Simple as that.
Keep in mind, Dany's decision to execute the man was the same decision Rob made after his bannermen killed the Lannister prisoners...
The Lannister prisoners were just boys and squires; whereas, it was pitifully obvious the person the former slave killed was a Son of the Harpy. The Lannister prisoners were hostages, and were not on trial for any crime. The two are not even close to the same.
@@sethtedder7239 The Son of the Harpy hadn't been tried yet. Innocent until proven guilty is the basis of any just system of law.
@@Silver_Owl Summary executions of the guilty are not the basis of any just system of law. This is GoT, not modern times. In other words, the institutions that lend toward a just system of law have not yet been built, especially in this new society Dany is trying to create from the ashes of entrenched oppression.
@@Silver_Owl Furthermore, that doesn't change the fact that the two situations are not very similar.
@@sethtedder7239 The Harpy is still innocent until proven guilty by any just system of laws, regardless of whether that society has those laws. If murder isn't punished, it's still murder. If you want to argue Robb was wrong as well, then fair enough, but allocat5867 is still right, both Robb and Daenerys executed someone who admitted to murder. Either they're both right, or they're both wrong.
Dam I thought Spartan would scream "JAQAHAKA" 🤣
Spartan chanting skull skull instead of snow 😭😂
Guys it's not Jaqen Hagar, he said it himself, those are people who change their face, whenever you see Jaqen's face it could be anyone.