I Bought a Fake Mini-Z and it's err.....
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- I bought a Fake Kyosho Mini-Z 4x4 off Aliexpress and then bought a Genuine one to test them side by side. Can the Fake $90 Mini-Z 4x4 compete with a $200+ real one?
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They are both great little trucks , phil asked me to drive the green one for the video and I was pleasantly surprised at how capable they are , I will be looking to purchase a clone in the future
Shout out to Lee for being my ‘Team’ Driver for the day. Email me mate (it’s in my ‘About’ section) and I’ll send you a hoody.
Cheers Phil top bloke 👍
Cool 😎 👍🏻✌️
I have the dark green Jimny and something is a little off with them. Perhaps it's the lower voltage on the 4 aaa batteries. I think wiring in a LiPo and coming up with some better metalwheel/tire combo would do the trick nicely.
Under 60 pound atm
The added weight of the fake is mostly due to the larger screws used - like a weighted lower center of gravity.
For $90.00 there is not much to complain about. The question is does it accept the real Mini Z hop-ups or are you stuck with what you get out of the box?
It's an identical clone so any hop up for the mini z will work
You could mod it to have genuine electrics in it and still be cheaper
I wouldn’t feel bad about showing off a “knockoff” of a Kyosho vehicle, because if we are all being honest with ourselves, mini-z’s are extremely overpriced, and very outdated tech. If Kyosho wants to charge over $200 for a 1:24 scale RC, it should come with modern RC tech, not the same system from 20 years ago.
I agree.. I know most will have the same opinion. I just like to make sure others can make their own mind up and not use me to much as an influence 😅
@@TomleyRC I sort of agree, however, 2 things kyosho has likely considered:
1. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
2. Hard to argue with the success and remaining popularity of the Mini-Z
As all said, the Kyosho is overpriced, everyone in the scene that bought a mini z 4x4 noticed they are weak and un capable. For the price you can get an Axial (not to mention a cheap Chinese copy) and a ton of upgrades... And have way more fun.
I agree with you. Just my opinion but I see kyosho as a racing rc company than anything else to be honest.
@@Raycefan personally id argue that triple a batteries in the car should have been phased out a decade ago, why pay every time you want to use it?
If it aint broke, improve it in the areas its lacking.
It'd be nice to think that the existence of such knock-offs might influence Kyosho to price their RCs more sensibly. For instance, their new Mad Wagon has plastic shocks while being priced at an outrageous £439.
hi. i am from Brazil. in my country 90 % of the peoples work 30 days to receive 300 USD !! with discounts finish 250 USD .
Entertaining review! Surprised at how well the knockoff performed compared to the real one.
Thanks mate. Decent little truck 👌
Yeah, I'm team clone. Considering you could spend the cost of the car on upgrading the electronics to create a superior setup and still not spend more than the genuine one, that seems like the better option. Personally though, they both seem fine as-if. I just wouldn't want to spend $200 on something that could be outperformed by an $120 SCX24 Deadbolt. 🤷♂
Yes, the SCX24’s are still one of the best in class
Miniz is more for scale than pure performance, tyres are smaller and with different thread also it’s a straight axle over worn gears so you have the benefit of rolling.
Not to try and justify 200$ on it, don’t get me wrong I feel like minizs are fairly overpriced but it’s hard to compare as they aim for different things
Mini Z's are well over priced here in the UK
@@TomleyRC the Ramp you have ( black, in your garage you do backflips with the hypergo trucks on it ) please provide link. Or info on exactly what it is, cost, etc.. I must get one! Thanks!! Great video as always!!👍👍
I'm all about team clone. Why waste all that money on something you can get, that's similar for a fraction of the price. No brainer really.
Massively overpriced things. Got rid of mine straight away.
A lot of money to spend on a little crawler that takes AAA’s
The original should have been targeted at casual enthusiasts with triple aaa and maybe 70 dollar price they would have flown off the shelves (I mean they did anyway) but more casual fans would have had a chance to have some fun as well....
Interesting stuff, shame it had no drag break at all but what a performer 👍🏼
Yes, although I think it had one, just not as good
The lack of drag break vs price and better climbing angle....
Springwood's RC looks awesome
Yes, Although I think it did have a drag brake, just a little weak. Spring Woods is really good. I’ll give you some notice next time I plan on going
Hey.. Kyosho plays the same game Traxxas and Tamiya do. Stop over charging guys. I mean, I like the brands but my biggest issue over 40 years of the hobby has been "excessive pricing", NOW, there are plenty of options. Most times you can find a competitor that's better for less, a lot less . Seriously, If you don't over price your product then you don't leave much room for knockoffs to be profitable, kinda sowed your own fate by being greedy, in my opinion
Tomley get yourself a few 3.7 volt lipo AAA batteries and a few dummy AAA cells. you will end up using 2 dummy batteries and 2 real batteries for more juice in each mini z. It will give you just over 2 volts more then the 4 AAA setup. What a difference it makes. More juice = more power!!! This is how I setup my mini z's now. My brushless mini z Evo kit must do about 20 mph now. It just about doubles the speed of any mini z. Great video Tomley 👊👊👍👍
Yes, I’ve seen that done. Good tip 👍. Thanks 🙏
Can you give an example brand for that kind of battery? Trying to find some. Also what do you mean by dummy batteries?
Tomley I can genuinely say I thoroughly enjoyed this video, the montage legitimately was some of the best I've seen, keep up the good work
i think the roughness of the knockoff could be fixed by putting some grease in the axles
The fake one is heavier because of the bigger size hardware i guess. If you put some grease in the fake one i guess the fake one would sound the same alos
I feel like it should be a crime to charge this much for a 28 scale. I mean you could buy a brushed 1/10 scale bandit for the price of a brushed mini z
I loved your sincerity and in the end I felt like what you wanted to convey to us was that the important thing was to have fun, which was quite emotional for me. 10/10
Should try pairing the Kyosho radio to the fake, that would make buying a used Kyosho worrisome for new to RC buyers if it works as lots like me have a box full of those radios and use a NB4, a lot of people newer to the hobby might not notice the small visual differences.
Yes, didn’t think about that actually
I would like the green one for the amount of donuts 🍩, I am not a crawler but seeing you with it enticins me too see what I am missing .👍🏻hey from California.✌️
Yes, nice performance for a decent price!
This is a great video sir. Not too flashy just simple comparison honest opinion great information.
Love how your explaining the suspension and the green ones like yeeeet. My reaction was the same as yours 🤣
Haha
Phil, As always, your honesty is highly valued and appreciated, love it! Maximum Respect! Proof that more than once, you might be actually just be paying for a "name" and fake or remake is not always equal to rubbish ot junk!
I'd say the difference isn't in drove or parts in this case. I guess Kotosh have to pay licencing? Same as Axial with the SCX24, The deadbolt is the cheapest csuse there is no licensing for them to pay as its a mage up car? Loved the vid keep em coming!
Glad to finally see a review on these, i saw these when they first came out and didnt know what to make of them, will definitely still buy one for a fraction of the cost, ty for the info as always 😁
Is it a clone of the Mini Z or is it the actual factory who produces the Mini Z for Kyosho introducing their own version
Great job dude. I’ve been watching your videos because your not afraid to say and do what’s necessary for the greater good 🤘😎
For the hobby 👏👍😊
Considering the original is not only made in Japan (at least from what I can tell, the parent company has changed ownership several times in recent years), better materials are used, QC is higher and the bodies are licensed, I just couldn't buy the clone despite how good it is. The more we support companies who steal IPs and have no original designs of their own, the less time and effort legit companies will put into original designs. just sayin...
I have to absolutely agree with Chuck.
I have been a Lego builder for the last 50 years of my life and it truly annoys me when copy cats steal the designs that Lego engineers have spent countless hours working on.
The same with Kyosho, their engineers have spent a lot of time designing their products as well as paying license fees for using the body design.
Perhaps if people stopped supporting the copy cat companies and supported Kyosho they could lower their prices and refresh their designs.
BTW - LOVE the channel, has helped me get back into the RC hobby. Thanks Tomley RC!!!
One hundred percent agreed with you on that. I already have two Kyosho miniZ trucks and although there are complaints with them I wouldn't even be tempted to buy the clone. The more we support these fly by night IP thiefs the more we put the original companies at risk.
For the record though. It is not only the Chinese that clone. Germans do it too now. For the ALDI store they got that River Cola. It got the same colors and writing style too. Frankly it even tastes the same yet costs ~1/3 of the original Coca Cola that you can by at the same ALDI right next in the same shelf.
I am all for supporting original creators but only for a limited time like a bonus. I am afraid over a period of decades those original creations become abusive and rip you off.
This is simple capitalism, if someone can do something cheaper/better there is no other choice but to adapt and improve. Companies that do not innovate will are destined to fail.
@@mitsmatsushita9941 i88i
You can see the suspension and tires of the mini z run better. Im sure you can still have fun with the clone though!
Wow. Is there a good fake xmaxx out there ? 😅
Not yet 😅
Can't believe how similar they are. I been holding back on the mini z stuff. Thanks for the comparison 👍
I’ll be honest I don’t even know about these little trucks we use scx24‘s but I will give it a try, Kevin got me on the green indestructible buggy let’s see if THIS is a let down 😂😂
The SCX24’s are really good 👌
@@TomleyRC Too late to lower the bar now😂
Thanks for the honest Tommy Boy!! These videos really are gonna help keep the integrity in the hobby!! Exposing the big" rip off "in just buying for the name!! Sometimes you get less than you pay for...😉
Can the accessories and body of the genuine miniz fit the clone?
I've been seeing these a lot lately and wondered how good is it. Thanks for the video.
It's funnt that it seems the fake one performed a little bit better
What if it's just a trick from Kyosho to bring people buying their spare and hop-up parts that normaly would never buy their expensive Mini-Z.. Received the "fake" one today and noticed they use the same injection molded aluminium gears as they use in their more expensive 1/10 nitro cars I used to ride in the past.. Those will wear out and it ends up buying their genuie hardened steel gears.
quite a big price difference ... is a drag brake worth that much?
HI PHIL I KNOW WHAT TRICK I WOULD PURCHASE .ITS NOT THE DEAREST ONE. THANKS FOR POINTING OUT THIS GREAT VALUE TRUCK. ,🇬🇧👍🏼
Yes Mike… decent performance 👌
This is another great video. Are these 1/24 scale trucks? You can some listings saying the Kyuosho is 1/28.They both performed well. One thing I thought was interesting about the Kyosho model was the the right front tire. It would come off the surface on steep inclines in your shop and out on the trial. I found it interesting that on Amazon in the states you can find well known 1/24 scales at reasonable prices. Keep up the good work.
All about cost at the moment and that was a great review 👍🏻👍🏻
Options are good for those with less to spend. The Kyosho fan boys can buy their authentic models. Most people looking to purchase these wouldn't be buying for the brand name, just the value, this won't be hurting the Kyosho bottom line. It also looks to be good quality, so Kyosho's reputation is intact in that regard.
Well put.
Exactly and open up the hobby to whole new casual enthusiasts who have zero desire to drop 200 plus on an rc (despite loving rc)..myself included. I also love the triple aaa. No messing about with lipo rubbish. Just toss in my bag and go.
Those are pretty sweet probably going to buy one
Just as I finish up for the night. Lovely stuff as usual.
After watching I have to say I have never seen someone make a couple of mini crawlers look like such a fun day out like that.
Owned one crawler in the past and quickly got rid of it but itching to get one of these now. My missus is not going to be happy! Hahahaha.
Always a fun day out with RC 😎👌
Green one was definitely driven harder falling off the corse like that 🤣🤣🤣
With thos bigger screws in probably adds just a tiny bit more weight where it matter whish probably matters more on something this small
wonder if the replacement parts are interchangable with the exception of the larger screw heads?
Years ago I searched for a mini RC. Was shocked over the prices from mini z. So I got nothing 😄
I own a old Tamiya bruiser and a clone of the re release bruiser in 2012. The only difference the clone lets you use the rc4wd conversion. With some grinding. My old bruiser has yota axles now the old axles I still have both have the front steering mod as well I like the small jeeps.
problems with the fake one so far
1 not ACCEPT miniz light, smoke right after power on!!
2 servo is more stiffy than the original, the VR is different but response time feels no difference.
3 plastic parts such like the shaft are way more fragile than the original, it will brake very soon. Mine cracked in a week.
4 transmitter trimming all in wrong direction, so if you trim to left, it will go right. Front will go back..
5 front light cups need to drill 3mm hole to install leds...
6 you cant reset center point from transmitter like the miniz does, only way to center is from the trim vr.
But for $90, it worth to get one for the spare parts and nice body.
Thanks for this write up, mine is coming in 2 days. Sad to hear about the lights not working.
@@PlenumGaming it will work if you add resistor to the light. The light port output 5v
I have always had a fascination with nini-z but the older tech, hard to get parts etc I went with an scx24 gladiator instead for crawling. I still want a mini-z AWD car with a skyline body if I can ever find one.
Just ordered the green one. Thanks
The basic part of the vehicle besides electronics are all done in the same Factory
Not sure they would be. Although they look the same, there are some small differences in the moulds etc.. so I’d say they are not
Most people upgrade the electronics in all the mini Crawlers, I have 5 and not one has stock motor left in it. I have 1 with stock servo still kicking but I don't think will last much longer lol. Fcx24 and scx24 are killing it with upgrades and aftermarket parts all over. Furitek, mofo rc and ccxrc are some of the best I've seen.
Yes agree.. lots of after market support
I just gave in and ordered one. Always wanted a genuine one but never could justify the price. I guess we'll see if the clone lives up to the same standards soon
Hey, sorry for replying to an old comment. I am thinking of getting a clone too. How was it?
@@failingattempt9984 it turned out to be a great rig for the money. Zero complaints. One suggestion, the wheels are very brittle and break easy, I would suggest buying some decent aftermarket ones, or Kyosho brand ones
I got mine, the same green, just the other day. Great little truck for the money.
Yes agree. Decent for the cash
@@TomleyRC yeah, definitely. I'm hoping upgrades for the original mini z 4x4 will fit, cause I have som brass, high clearance links and other goodies on the way from aliexpress. 😂
@@TomleyRC at 90 bucks you overpaid a little BTW. I got mine for like 74-75 Dollars on Aliexpress, including shipping. 😜
I wish there was a 4runner version, would be a no brainer for me! I'd love to support Kyosho, but 230 pounds is ridiculous
really impressive how you controll both cars at the same time
Kinda reminds me of what Happened with RocHobby and Eazy Rc. EAZY Rc ended up being the same company as Rock Hobby using maybe slightly lesser quality packaging and lesser quality material. Maybe Kyosho owns owns the lesser brand and is putting out a copy cat of their high end vehicle knowing that Kyosho fans won’t go for the lesser model, yet making money on the green one , because there is a market for these for guys like me who like to save money. My bet is the “clone” is actually an affiliate company to Kyosho. Bet they will sell a ton Of these clones while selling a fair amount of overpriced mini z’s too to people who are brand snobs and value means nothing! Great video Phil!😎👍🏻🍻
Good review once again. I wouldn't be too worried about the clone eating into the Mini Z market. I think that people who are into Mini Z'ds are only going to buy MIni Z'ds. It's a brand thing, especially important in Japan. Perhaps not so much outside of Japan though.
The fake one wins ,then you even got 110$ left for beer
did you test battery life between the 2?
Awesome ride and review, Phil! 😃
Yeah, I would 100% go for the clone as well!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I'd mount the spare tyre on the bonnet rather than the tail
I believe the fake one probably just needs quality grease in the diffs.
Interesting, wonder if there are other Mini Z model replicas out there. Quite fancy a buggy model
Yes, the buggies look nice. Not seen any though
Wltoys maybe? Not sure if they still sell the K9 variants.
@@TomleyRC The Carisma gt24b might be a good alternative instead as you've tested the gt24 rally cars.
Are they still holding up btw ?
Thank you for sharing nice video. To me one looks very similar and simular the other.
Salty Lil Beach 😆🤣. Thanks for showing this. agree putting aaa in those seems weird and a pain. Axial is the #☝
I would buy 2 cheap ones. And polish up the gears.
Love it green sounds like a great deal to me
Yeah, just seen an updated Mini-Z in the same colour, with lots of accessories and better tyres!
@@TomleyRC just ordered a clone 😜 great price tag I personally think the only down side is the dragbrake I'm okay with the slightly noisy modulation and steering ! I'm looking forward to it it's been on my want list for a while 😜 cheers for the review 🤘
Do you find the clone body is more forward on the chassis compared to the Kyosho? Which means back of front and rear fenders hit tyres?
I think Kyosho is sending you a letter now... 🤔🤪
impressed by the clone.
Me too
Half the price and performs better.
That's the point of a free market.
I wouldn't spend $200 on one, I might spend $100.
It's not a free market! That called thievery. Jesus.
@@sjsharksfan8573 🤣🤣🤣 spoken like a brainwashed American. What's wrong, can't compete?
Being new to the hobby I can't seem to understand the draw to the mini z. Seems like you can get a scx24 or fcx24 cheaper and they have more support and better tech. For $200+ I was quite underwhelmed by the mini Z when I had a chance to use one. I felt like it should be around $100 considering what else is out there for those price points. Went with a FCX18 and could not be happier. Just ordered a FCX24 Black K5, he was sold by the 2-speed motor and the look. Can't blame him 😀
I love my little Panda Tetra X1 6x6.
the fake is defo the best value but i would not have any of them as i feel they are just to small, okay if you have a big garden with the space to create a small truck course
It's same in everything But the differened is that one without Kyosho name ...Who is care? l😂l .....Cheers🍺
😅
Great video mate, it put a smile on my face! 😊👍
Cool montage at the end, epic.
Thank you 🙏
Maybe Kyosho needs to step it up.
What accessories are available for this, wheels and tires? Hub conversion kit?
0915 here in Arkansas USA! Mornin Tomley!! Whew lawsuit heaven haha. For the price difference I'd Haveago with it. Thanks Tomley for the vid!!
Can you bind the Flysky Nb4 w/Kyosho module to the Red Spider?
Great vid phil, I’m just getting into the 1/24 scale, might have to get me one of those fake ones, great course at springwoods too
Can I put my own receiver and radio in it? I was told I can't use a different radio with the Kyosho so I must know if it's possible with the clone or not as I'd like to use an old Futaba stick radio in these?
Are there also copies of the mini-z awd out there? I don't like the "cheap" looks of the wltoys bodies... mini-z bodys are just another category 👌
Thanks for an honest review
Was the presentation of this one better? 😅
@@TomleyRC I am following you and few others, as I am new to this world of RC. I just found your review honest and neutral , telling us how it is ,as you se it. So just keep up the good job!
It will be the bigger screws for the added weight and cos they low down its giving better climb ability
Really a cool comparison. Not that I am getting any of them, but it satisfied my curiousity a bit, ha ha.
Funny you had the SCX24 in the background in one of the shots, I think a lot of people has that one and probably won't be going for any of all the others, there is a lot to choose between, it's literally a jungle! I have the Axial and the HBX 24th scale little crawlers, I think I got enough, ha ha!
Never is enough...and that being said by a minimalist! lol
can the fake transmitter bind to the real and vice versa?
Thanks, good review. Does the fake one have 7mm wheel hexes?
I mean, to be honest. I love kyosho, I pretty much have a 4runner modded to the 9's. They are just not as capable as axial scx24's though. I'm just going to be honest, cheaper, better mod availability and they perform better and it's easier for them on obstacles. Kyosho's just look good and they are more "to scale" vs scx24's. So I can see why people would like the appeal of a replica mini z but then again. You can spend like $40 more and just get an axial instead. Plus when you mod a kyosho they don't perform well and you really have to keep adding on mods.
How does it perform compared to the SCX24?
It tried then side by side yet. But at a guess it’s not as good
Don't worry or feel shame about the copy of original item, remember your channel was all about the cheaper rc products in the first place, stay genuine.
The only thing I would say is that you prolly can't get parts or if u can that sucks. I have the Toyota 4×4 mini z crawler.
Clone, Furitek ESC and Dumbo RC radio for less than the genuine...i know where i'd put my money! Then again, i'm all for the "China Specials" XD Although, is the SCX24 stock esc unit a good option for the clone?
Where can i buy the fake mini-z ?? Thanks !
Great Video
Awsome an honest thanx a bunch
kyosho should make low budget versions of their cars and trucks that are a little worse but way cheaper
What the zed? You said Zee. Good comparison.
For me, the issue with the real one is... I wouldn't pay that sort of money for one. I WOULD consider the cheaper one, though.
ACTUALLY... Axial SCX24 Chevy C10.