Thank you for all the support with the PGA 2K series. This will be my last video for this series until the new game comes out. Hopefully the new videos I have coming out this year not PGA related are to your liking. If you liked this style, you will like the others coming too! Happy New Year and I will see you on the next one!
Always funny to see quotes of mine in the video. My conspiracy theory about "search by designer" being removed is that they don't want you to find all the LiDar courses by the select few who make a majority of them (or a certain specific Big Golf Weekend). I always wonder if legal reasons hold them back from promoting the designer for the same reason. Otherwise my only other point would be to rotate more courses through ranked, user ones?
@@quinlanroche342 I'd imagine they could if they wanted to have this option available for all but if a course is flagged by a certain designer that the option for them could be restricted.
Also I'd imagine the current game not being a next gen only game probably factors into graphics/servers/rendering etc I went from a PS4 to PS5 less than a year ago and only noticed a slight difference in graphics quality.
I'm so happy you brought up the Designer, it's literally the reason I play this game! I love the idea that my courses become known and lots of people play it and if you haven't heard of the TPC, it's an entire Tour based around the Designer. It's such a cool community!
@12:00 About the exchanging of fittings... You can at the very least mitigate the amount scrolling by hitting R3 to filter out which tier of fittings you want to focus on. Too little too late at this point but it's there.
Awesome video! Kudos on continuing to crush the production value on these videos. Hopefully this video gets passed around HB and things get implemented for the next game 🍻
Great video Zane! You hit a ton of fantastic points here and I hope 2K/HB take notice. For me, launch was SO disappointing that it drove me away. As a designer, its great to see them adding new objects. I'm hopeful for a big revamp as we head into the next game.
Great video man! I agree with basically everything you said. Yet I’m still playing a lot of 2k because of TGC tours mainly. Hope they implement a lot of the topics you touched base on in 2k25! Thanks for the video bro
Great video and so many good points. I was just talking about the option to view all the courses by a designer the other day. I usually try to track them down on TGC to see what else they have, but that can be a PITA vs just clicking "view all by".
A very well made video overall. Agree with all of your points, and I have to say, PGA Tour 2K23 is a solid game overall. TGC Tours really helps, but the overall gameplay to me is what has kept me playing for so long. Having not played a golf game since TW PGA Tour 2014, it was nice to get back into the swing of things. Here's to hoping HB builds off of 2K23 in their next game! Oh, and even though I'm a PC 3-Clicking cheater, PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE separate 3-Click and Swing Stick in Ranked. Like you, I don't want to hear another person complain about how they are not separated. Even if I agree 100% that they need to be.
My friend and I were totally going to quit this game because of the fast/slow stuff and duffing it all over the place. I watched your swing tutorial from last year and I’m going to keep trying with this info. Thanks for the videos on 2k23 bud.
19:02 but yes all good points. I just got the game and I like it. 2k21 was my first golf game and I waited to get 2k23 and I really like the 3 click swing. Don't have to stop playing as my wrist doesn't hurt with 3 click.
Great past,present & future video, thanks. I too have only just come back to pga 2k23 after being fed up with it, the ranking table has enthused me and i am back playing more regular. Hopefully HB / 2K will listen & take on board your suggestions, they make sense. One thing you didnt mention was the career mode which i find is a complete bore, those paid commentators are a pain as is when it cuts to the named players, i dont play it anymore. Cheers
Yeah, I had a section on career mode, but it was so short and "take career and redo it all" that I cut it from the video. I hope they take a hard look at career
Good video. Excellent points. I would add: please finally implement the golfing rules regarding drops as what the game does now is bad; add revetted/pot bunkers in the designer; improve matchplay rules (gimme's and pick-up's); increase golf formats as golf abounds in that. Probably missed some others but those are what come to mind right now.
Good video man, when playing online they should have a shot clock set feature so these players don’t take all day to hit the damn ball, and they should be penalized more for quitting the game early.
Zane , Show me how to play a quick game with my player ( or a pro player ) as me , and add 3 more cpu players as well for say a ( skins game ). You can do this in EA PGA Tour , but i cant seem to figure it in 2k23 ? Help me !!!
For skins game or other type of game modes in 2K23, you have to use ghost players, pga 2K23 doesn't allow for other cpu players. Why even have all these pros or influencers in the game if you can not compete against them.
Great video and great poits you hit on! I'm excited about what they have in store for 2K25, hopefully some big career changes (more depths), customization of mycareer (swaping courses in career with custom created courses), updated graphics (I would prefer on unreal 5 just for visuals only, add historic golfers in the game, remove top golf and replace it with PGA tour moments mode and recreate historic shots and rounds of golf, and if they want to add non-professional golfers in the game, I sure hope they add fictional characters like Happy Gilmore (with his famous swing) and Shooter McGavin in the game. Just adding those 2 fictional characters will stand out and I would play with these 2 over characters like Peacemaker and any other celebrities added into the game. and now with EA's golf game competing with PGA 2K, I believe it is make or break with 2K golf now so I sure hope they have put great things into their new game to stand out to EA PGA Tour. the potential for PGA 2K is pretty good, as they have improved their game every year a new one comes out and I love playing 2K over EA to be honest
Lots of good stuff here. Thanks for the video! Would like some focus on the single-player areas of the game, too. They have Tiger Woods' license...make some challenges or mini-games centered around his career or something. Let us play famous moments from the licensed tournaments they have in-game. Instead of having the form of sponsorships in career currently, where it's just "play well and get stuff", make it so you need to actually wear gear from that sponsor. Have there be sponsor challenges or obligations, like I remember the old Tiger Woods EA games having in the week leading up to each event - things like short match-play events against pros sponsored by the same brands. As it is, it's just another progression bar you get to reach a max level and then poof, you're done. Zero reason to replay it.
9:23 My archetype, if we're using the NBA 2k23's Dual Archetype naming system, I'd have to be a Pin-seeking Chipping Powerhouse. Yes, my main style is Powerhouse, but I can mask my deficiencies in putting by pin-seeking.
Great vid Zane! I have to agree with most of what you've said 100% and it just comes down to quality from HBs side to get it right or at least a tonne better for the next. Being on Xbox, I have to disagree with leaving the swing mechanic alone I'm afraid. My biggest gripes with 2K23 that made me instantly give it up (aside those darn balls) was the swing graphic and mechanic. The graphic made me think I was slicing the ball every time. It's hideous. It works with driver and woods but as soon as it's a full iron shot, it is horrendous. It's like they exaggerated that leg bend. I hate it and hope they change it to a more realistic looking swing or give us options. The swing is also so good damn fast. Maybe I'm bias as I really like 2K21, but it just feels so fast compared to that and also how I play in real life. Seems a lot faster than most pros too. It just doesn't feel like a smooth transitioning swing to me because of it like it does in 21. For sure it can be a bit faster than 21 but 23 for me is too fast and awkward looking. Putting animation and mechanic - awful. 21 is the best I've played for this. The swing feels like a lovely back and forth putting stroke and looks like the right length back for the putt outcome. 23 feels strange. It barely moves animation for the 1st 20ft outcome and then starts increasing more and that's stupid. It doesn't feel or look like a normal putting stroke, feels and looks stabby and doesn't look realistic at all. Go back to 21 for me. Hole mechanics are better in 23 though. Finally polling rates. Yes it's not their fault, it's Microsoft's. However I get way more outcomes in 21 than I do in 23. Why is that? It's because they change the width of the zones but did not think of the outcome points for Xbox. I think I only have 5 points I could hit and if I calibrated so my perfect ended up outside the perfect zone, I could never have a chance to hit perfect. It's a joke. The whole system was atrocious on Xbox. Graphically also for the game in general was down on 21. Crazy right? But it was. The addition of HDR completely messed it up. 21 I have set up is gorgeous but 23 looks like garbage on the same set up. How is that? Aside that, everything you've said is spot on. I loved the TGC2 society UI (and even preferred the music tbh). I just don't think I will pick the next game up til months after. I didn't buy 23 at launch because of the balls and promised myself that I wouldn't until that was all needed. But I gave in from tubers saying it's a great game nonetheless and from my experience with it on Xbox, boy that was wrong. I've played it like 2-3 hours and couldn't take any more. The next I am not touching until absolutely sure it is playable on Xbox.
16:17 I want a ball that will roll more. It's just not that satisfying to have the ball stick when I need the ball to roll back down the slope to get closer to the pin. It's one way for a Powerhouse to recover from overhits.
I never thought there was much difference between fittings (+12 or +7) no matter what value the fitting is, if you tally up each category you’ll always end up with +24 total for all legendary fittings (except putter which always equal +8 regardless of stated value) purps = 21, blue = 15, green = 10? Not sure, and grey = 6. The lower value (+7 or +9) fittings are usually more balanced and sometimes I think they’re better because there’s rarely any negative effects on ur skills. +12 power is always gonna tank your timing. Some folks don’t worry about timing so to each their own. No right or wrong setup, as long as u make it work for ur shtyle >:
Good video some good solid points was surprised by how much I agreed with what they should change and keep .. I love these games been playing from TGC 1 as well & the progress for these games has been great to see but they also took back steps on stuff like society customisation ect I’m hoping 2K25 just takes everything good from 21/23 & builds upon it and just gets even better except top golf take top golf resources & just put it into something actually useful/fun because that mode did have potential but oh boy what a pile of turd it is
I'm still playing 2K23 and trying to stay relevant on TGCTours but the inconsistent tempo is just SOOOOO bad. The game thinks I'm hitting very slow, perfect, then very fast 6x in a row and I don't feel like I'm swinging any differently. I'm too stubborn to switch to EA Sports but maybe it's time I do..
As if your list wasn't already long enough - how about fixing the handicap system to something that makes sense. More accurate input / response for us mouse swingers would be appreaciated as well.
I would like a leader board that have every player on the same hole. If I made a birdie I would like to know how many spots that moved me up. It cant obviously not happen in real golf since everyone is playing on different holes but this is a videogame and it would be fun. I would also like to be able choose surface on the range and also different lies (uphill downhill etc.) that would have helped me a lot.
When at the range, press the start / menu button to bring up ur profile menu scroll down to and select “practice” then “chipping practice” Press (B) / (O), this should give you an overhead view. From here u can zoom in and place your ball anywhere and on dang near any surface within the range. R1/Rb & L1/Lb to select what pin ur aiming for. I Think there’s 3 different pins to select from each on their own green, 2 next to each other and 1 is back behind the range at the end of the long fairway. When I needed practice for long irons I found it very helpful to pause and turn on “auto mulligan”, so you can practice the same shot over n over without having to change clubs, shot type, or anything else. I know it’s a lil late but I hope this helps you or anyone else out. This definitely made me not suck as much back when I was a we lad lol. Pretty sure Tgc 2019 & 2k21 both had this same option in their ranges as well. GLHF
I would love a feature in Casual, Competitive and Career mode where you can create a Ryder Cup team. Select 5, 8 or 12 team matches. You can go though and play a Ryder Cup style tournament in Societies where you’re part of a team or in Casual where you and a friend can select golfers and create teams with various formats. Same would be true at the end of the season in MyCareer. It’s all sitting there, they have all the formats, they have the golfers and as Respawn said they can create a lobby for multiple players. Get it done 2K, EA is already doing it. Let people create their own cup and select the course they want to play it in and produce the scoreboard on who leads after each match.
Oh and I totally agree with Online Scoieites have Cross- Platform capabilities. There’s nothing that has me more frustrated with this game than that missing feature. How do you have across every other online form but arguably the most important one outside of Ranked!?! It makes no sense to me.
13:49 I call BS on that. NBA 2k21-2k24 have shoe creator for official sneakers. I can turn a pair of Jordan XI into an all-black sneaker made purely of metal. On the other end of the spectrum: NBA series need more variety on generic 2K Sneakers.
Ive got over 300hrs on both 2k and EA. Both have their pros and cons. If 2k irons out their tempo issues and touches up their career mode, id be satisfied
Love your videos...glad we're talking about the new game...BUT....Haven't heard a peep about a new game being released. And everyone thinking we're getting some new graphics...hate to say it, but I doubt that very much. Let's hope they don't touch putting, and they make the waterfalls look better than ps1 graphics. Let's fix water drop locations, lets give more tools and goodies for the designers.
I still love the game and play competitive mode with a friend a couple time a week. I agree with you, "it's good, kind of, but it could be so much better". The shadows in the game are horrible. They need a complete lighting update so it's not so damn dark in a lot of areas. It's too hard to see the green when it's in the shadows as well. It just looks terrible and dated. Also, the competitive mode is OK, but not great. I really hate how it goes to closest to the pin on the first hole of the tiebreaker. I think they should allow maybe 2 tied holes before implementing closest to the pin mechanic. Also resetting the rankings every season sucks. Every 4th of 5th time my friend and I get on there to play competitive we are reset again. I really hope they upgrade the game to UE5, but I'm not holding my breath. BTW, I have been enjoying your VR series with Golf+. Do you know there is a mod you can run called praydogs uevr injector so you can pretty much run any recent unreal engine game in VR. I know it works in UE4 and UE5. It is amazing being able to play all the UE games in VR and even though it would be on a controller and instead of the VR controllers it would still be awesome to play the new version of this in VR. It would not take the place of true VR games like golf+ but it is awesome to be able to look around in VR in non VR games.
Several of the systems are pretty cool, but they are a bit to much. Have 3 styles long, balanced, conservative, and give us several systems that let us lean into those styles that are reasonable to manage. Don't make one of the styles a meta either, separate the styles where there are some clear advantages. The special balls are fine, but just 3-5 types that give clear positives and negatives, require TGC tours to allow the use of them (because none of them would be extreme or shifting the speed of the green). They should have lobbies and rooms accessible from the driving range. You should be able to post matches, talk and text. Also, I would like the ability to set up games for 12-20 players or more on the fly. Things like a March Madness bracket comp, or presidents cup style competition. Anything that would allow you to set up a comp over several fousomes and the game keeps track and scores as you traverse the comp. I don't think divot derby makes any sense with golf... how fast you complete hole means nothing, has nothing to do with golf.
Will you be fortunate enough to be involved in some way with the new game? You've done so much for the series in my opinion and deserve some say in the new game...I think you can offer some great insight and great gameplay advice.
They 1000,0000% need to do work with the stick swing mechanics especially for Xbox the 3 click gave another option but a well tested and working stick swing mechanic is what’s needed I fell into the trap of calibrating which made it worse but unable to revert back without losing hours and hours of play was a joke. One of the biggest things in a golf game is the swing get it sorted please
Societies...let us have API access like TGC Tours has. Activision does it with COD games, Psyonix/Epic with Rocket League, ect. Would be so much fun to have society data offline to track stats, do skins, all the things...
@@MoreRespawn Great video. I agree for the most part. Haven't played since last spring and used to be in your twitch rooms a lot which were fun (socks or no socks always made me crack up), but looking forward to ranked again when the new one comes out and getting back into it again. Any word on when the new version might be coming out?
If they do a major graphics overhaul than the user made past courses won’t port over. I say drop the course designer and fine tune the graphics and tempo. Most user made courses are clones anyways
I feel like if 2k wants to go head to head with EA they have got to get all the licensing for all of the courses tournaments and championships including the masters.
if we got a new engine but leave the designer then i hope we never get a new engine ever again. i don’t care. doesn’t matter. no ifs nors buts or ands. that’s the bottom line. what you’re saying about the designer is so true. please keep talking about it because some of the biggest designers have some of the smallest voices in the game. good video btw (i’m like halfway through it don’t say some stupid shit please) also for ranked i want to see a ranked master playlist. (legend too but nobody agrees because they’re scared tbh let’s make the game actually hard) i don’t even play them, but the functionality of the putt putt courses would be cool oh and official courses, please please please can we fix them. there are some genuine unfair pins on a lot of greens because of new green physics and that needs to be fixed
As much as I loved TGC19, 2K21, and 2K23... I don't see myself playing a 2K golf game for a very long time. I enjoy playing EA's golf game more and the graphics are a million times better. In my opinion the only things that 2K does better than EA is have more courses and better online play. However EA has every course that I want to play except for Bethpage Black so that doesn't bother me. And I just play offline or with a friend so that doesn't really bother me.
Very interesting stuff.. First off, I love this game and play daily.. 90% in societies and 10% in ranked singles.. And the odd divot derby.. To keep this game at the top just give the designers anything they want.. They make this game what it is for me. The variety of courses form put put, to fantasy, to classic courses make it what it is.. Agree with many of your comments re: skills, archetypes etc. Once I got mine where i wanted them I haven't touched hem for months. As you said it makes little difference once you get mostly legend. Love watching along with you guys on youtube and twitch, Kawkster, Apex etc.. Long may it continue.🏌
Societies are one of the most toxic places I’ve ever had the misfortune to go to and HBneed to be more proactive and listen to the people who play the game
Always enjoyed ranked online play on EA, you could pick what swing type or level you wanted to play, but this swing time bullshit in 2K absolutely blows. Don't even bother to try ranked anymore.
2k21 is the better game. I don’t know what you’re smoking. Also EA PGA is way better minus course creation. Yeah EA has problems but EA is a better game.
@@ghhhpbut why should you have to pay to watch addless videos 😂 I remember when the video would play all the way through and almost melt the iPhone 4s screen because the video was so long and never once had a advertisement on it 😅
Ridiculous to not talk about career mode. Makes zero sense. Just because you don't play it means nothing for the future of the game. Makes everything else null and void.
You think HB doesn't know that they need to update the career? LOL I thought that was completely obvious. Also, just because I didn't talk about one thing, everything else is null and void? That makes sense lol Next time I will make sure to say the one sentence, "Hey, they need to update career mode badly. Alright moving on"
@@MoreRespawn So since it's obvious, don't mention the career? That's stupid. It's obvious the store sucks. You mentioned that. Basically, you only brought up the things YOU want to see. Not what's best for the game. Just a dude thinking about streaming the game.
I hope for better grapich and more right for golf courses with real players or Else it will be a flat game but for people who love to make courses is lucky and they shuld do something about swing , since its inposible to hit 100 % accurate and stop with all the bots. If you still reading , i will say thank you so much for information you give here . Since there is the only one , i can Find. Please keep it up , i will subs to you
Thank you for all the support with the PGA 2K series. This will be my last video for this series until the new game comes out. Hopefully the new videos I have coming out this year not PGA related are to your liking. If you liked this style, you will like the others coming too!
Happy New Year and I will see you on the next one!
Always funny to see quotes of mine in the video. My conspiracy theory about "search by designer" being removed is that they don't want you to find all the LiDar courses by the select few who make a majority of them (or a certain specific Big Golf Weekend). I always wonder if legal reasons hold them back from promoting the designer for the same reason. Otherwise my only other point would be to rotate more courses through ranked, user ones?
@@quinlanroche342 You are probably right in this thinking. And I hate it.
@@quinlanroche342 I'd imagine they could if they wanted to have this option available for all but if a course is flagged by a certain designer that the option for them could be restricted.
Also I'd imagine the current game not being a next gen only game probably factors into graphics/servers/rendering etc I went from a PS4 to PS5 less than a year ago and only noticed a slight difference in graphics quality.
you the goat
I'm so happy you brought up the Designer, it's literally the reason I play this game! I love the idea that my courses become known and lots of people play it and if you haven't heard of the TPC, it's an entire Tour based around the Designer. It's such a cool community!
@12:00 About the exchanging of fittings... You can at the very least mitigate the amount scrolling by hitting R3 to filter out which tier of fittings you want to focus on. Too little too late at this point but it's there.
Awesome video! Kudos on continuing to crush the production value on these videos. Hopefully this video gets passed around HB and things get implemented for the next game 🍻
Great video Zane! You hit a ton of fantastic points here and I hope 2K/HB take notice. For me, launch was SO disappointing that it drove me away. As a designer, its great to see them adding new objects. I'm hopeful for a big revamp as we head into the next game.
Glad to see you back big guy. Happy New Year to you.
Great video man! I agree with basically everything you said. Yet I’m still playing a lot of 2k because of TGC tours mainly. Hope they implement a lot of the topics you touched base on in 2k25! Thanks for the video bro
Really good video! Fair with lot's of great points both pro and con. The go all in on the designer part is really a good insight.
Great video and so many good points. I was just talking about the option to view all the courses by a designer the other day. I usually try to track them down on TGC to see what else they have, but that can be a PITA vs just clicking "view all by".
Huge one and can they have a filter for TGC tour approved sites so we know when the latest courses are available.
Zane, being able to select by designer is so needed! Great video my man!
A very well made video overall. Agree with all of your points, and I have to say, PGA Tour 2K23 is a solid game overall. TGC Tours really helps, but the overall gameplay to me is what has kept me playing for so long. Having not played a golf game since TW PGA Tour 2014, it was nice to get back into the swing of things. Here's to hoping HB builds off of 2K23 in their next game!
Oh, and even though I'm a PC 3-Clicking cheater, PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE separate 3-Click and Swing Stick in Ranked. Like you, I don't want to hear another person complain about how they are not separated. Even if I agree 100% that they need to be.
great video dude, couldn't agree more with almost everything you said.
My friend and I were totally going to quit this game because of the fast/slow stuff and duffing it all over the place. I watched your swing tutorial from last year and I’m going to keep trying with this info. Thanks for the videos on 2k23 bud.
19:02 but yes all good points. I just got the game and I like it. 2k21 was my first golf game and I waited to get 2k23 and I really like the 3 click swing. Don't have to stop playing as my wrist doesn't hurt with 3 click.
Great past,present & future video, thanks. I too have only just come back to pga 2k23 after being fed up with it, the ranking table has enthused me and i am back playing more regular. Hopefully HB / 2K will listen & take on board your suggestions, they make sense.
One thing you didnt mention was the career mode which i find is a complete bore, those paid commentators are a pain as is when it cuts to the named players, i dont play it anymore.
Cheers
Yeah, I had a section on career mode, but it was so short and "take career and redo it all" that I cut it from the video. I hope they take a hard look at career
Yes, it's just like toothache with the commentaries from the names. Is there a new game in the pipeline do you know??
It is my understanding that a new game is coming, but when it will come out we have no idea.
Good video. Excellent points. I would add: please finally implement the golfing rules regarding drops as what the game does now is bad; add revetted/pot bunkers in the designer; improve matchplay rules (gimme's and pick-up's); increase golf formats as golf abounds in that. Probably missed some others but those are what come to mind right now.
All good, I like em.
I'm excited to see how future games are on new systems
Good video man, when playing online they should have a shot clock set feature so these players don’t take all day to hit the damn ball, and they should be penalized more for quitting the game early.
I think the time they have to hit needs to be reduced and I would also like penalty for quitting early.
Dear readers, strap up. What? I died laughing. Thanks for that. Great video.
Zane , Show me how to play a quick game with my player ( or a pro player ) as me , and add 3 more cpu players as well for say a ( skins game ).
You can do this in EA PGA Tour , but i cant seem to figure it in 2k23 ? Help me !!!
2K doesn't have that functionality like EA does
@@MoreRespawn That was what i found too , just needed confirmation .
Well back to EA PGA Tour , 23 Pro players , 35 courses as of today .
For skins game or other type of game modes in 2K23, you have to use ghost players, pga 2K23 doesn't allow for other cpu players. Why even have all these pros or influencers in the game if you can not compete against them.
Great video and great poits you hit on! I'm excited about what they have in store for 2K25, hopefully some big career changes (more depths), customization of mycareer (swaping courses in career with custom created courses), updated graphics (I would prefer on unreal 5 just for visuals only, add historic golfers in the game, remove top golf and replace it with PGA tour moments mode and recreate historic shots and rounds of golf, and if they want to add non-professional golfers in the game, I sure hope they add fictional characters like Happy Gilmore (with his famous swing) and Shooter McGavin in the game. Just adding those 2 fictional characters will stand out and I would play with these 2 over characters like Peacemaker and any other celebrities added into the game.
and now with EA's golf game competing with PGA 2K, I believe it is make or break with 2K golf now so I sure hope they have put great things into their new game to stand out to EA PGA Tour. the potential for PGA 2K is pretty good, as they have improved their game every year a new one comes out and I love playing 2K over EA to be honest
Golf club 2019 best golf game I’ve played. If they can bring that back!! That would be insane.
12:54 I think I hit a glitch where I bought the coins to try buy the Mizuno golf club set but all I can do is refill golf balls and get new fittings.
Your mistake is buying coins. Or buying anything.
Great Video my friend !!! Last thing... from a designer... GIVE ME MORE CLUBHOUSES..... same ones for every version is just dumb.
YES, pleaseeeee
Lots of good stuff here. Thanks for the video!
Would like some focus on the single-player areas of the game, too. They have Tiger Woods' license...make some challenges or mini-games centered around his career or something. Let us play famous moments from the licensed tournaments they have in-game. Instead of having the form of sponsorships in career currently, where it's just "play well and get stuff", make it so you need to actually wear gear from that sponsor. Have there be sponsor challenges or obligations, like I remember the old Tiger Woods EA games having in the week leading up to each event - things like short match-play events against pros sponsored by the same brands. As it is, it's just another progression bar you get to reach a max level and then poof, you're done. Zero reason to replay it.
9:23 My archetype, if we're using the NBA 2k23's Dual Archetype naming system, I'd have to be a Pin-seeking Chipping Powerhouse. Yes, my main style is Powerhouse, but I can mask my deficiencies in putting by pin-seeking.
Great vid Zane! I have to agree with most of what you've said 100% and it just comes down to quality from HBs side to get it right or at least a tonne better for the next.
Being on Xbox, I have to disagree with leaving the swing mechanic alone I'm afraid. My biggest gripes with 2K23 that made me instantly give it up (aside those darn balls) was the swing graphic and mechanic. The graphic made me think I was slicing the ball every time. It's hideous. It works with driver and woods but as soon as it's a full iron shot, it is horrendous. It's like they exaggerated that leg bend. I hate it and hope they change it to a more realistic looking swing or give us options.
The swing is also so good damn fast. Maybe I'm bias as I really like 2K21, but it just feels so fast compared to that and also how I play in real life. Seems a lot faster than most pros too. It just doesn't feel like a smooth transitioning swing to me because of it like it does in 21. For sure it can be a bit faster than 21 but 23 for me is too fast and awkward looking.
Putting animation and mechanic - awful. 21 is the best I've played for this. The swing feels like a lovely back and forth putting stroke and looks like the right length back for the putt outcome. 23 feels strange. It barely moves animation for the 1st 20ft outcome and then starts increasing more and that's stupid. It doesn't feel or look like a normal putting stroke, feels and looks stabby and doesn't look realistic at all. Go back to 21 for me. Hole mechanics are better in 23 though.
Finally polling rates. Yes it's not their fault, it's Microsoft's. However I get way more outcomes in 21 than I do in 23. Why is that? It's because they change the width of the zones but did not think of the outcome points for Xbox. I think I only have 5 points I could hit and if I calibrated so my perfect ended up outside the perfect zone, I could never have a chance to hit perfect. It's a joke. The whole system was atrocious on Xbox.
Graphically also for the game in general was down on 21. Crazy right? But it was. The addition of HDR completely messed it up. 21 I have set up is gorgeous but 23 looks like garbage on the same set up. How is that?
Aside that, everything you've said is spot on. I loved the TGC2 society UI (and even preferred the music tbh). I just don't think I will pick the next game up til months after. I didn't buy 23 at launch because of the balls and promised myself that I wouldn't until that was all needed. But I gave in from tubers saying it's a great game nonetheless and from my experience with it on Xbox, boy that was wrong. I've played it like 2-3 hours and couldn't take any more. The next I am not touching until absolutely sure it is playable on Xbox.
I love the duos ranked with my best friend. We are almost to eagle rank. Love the challenge
16:17 I want a ball that will roll more. It's just not that satisfying to have the ball stick when I need the ball to roll back down the slope to get closer to the pin. It's one way for a Powerhouse to recover from overhits.
Bought the game three weeks ago for £16. Love it 😊
I never thought there was much difference between fittings (+12 or +7) no matter what value the fitting is, if you tally up each category you’ll always end up with +24 total for all legendary fittings (except putter which always equal +8 regardless of stated value) purps = 21, blue = 15, green = 10? Not sure, and grey = 6. The lower value (+7 or +9) fittings are usually more balanced and sometimes I think they’re better because there’s rarely any negative effects on ur skills. +12 power is always gonna tank your timing.
Some folks don’t worry about timing so to each their own. No right or wrong setup, as long as u make it work for ur shtyle >:
Good video some good solid points
was surprised by how much I agreed with what they should change and keep ..
I love these games been playing from TGC 1 as well & the progress for these games has been great to see but they also took back steps on stuff like society customisation ect
I’m hoping 2K25 just takes everything good from 21/23 & builds upon it and just gets even better except top golf take top golf resources & just put it into something actually useful/fun because that mode did have potential but oh boy what a pile of turd it is
Wait so you are saying we will have a new game next year ???
I'm still playing 2K23 and trying to stay relevant on TGCTours but the inconsistent tempo is just SOOOOO bad. The game thinks I'm hitting very slow, perfect, then very fast 6x in a row and I don't feel like I'm swinging any differently. I'm too stubborn to switch to EA Sports but maybe it's time I do..
EA Sports isn't gonna give you anything really mind blowing on the switch. The career is really good, but you will find yourself coming back to 2K.
Awesome stuff
As if your list wasn't already long enough - how about fixing the handicap system to something that makes sense. More accurate input / response for us mouse swingers would be appreaciated as well.
I would like a leader board that have every player on the same hole. If I made a birdie I would like to know how many spots that moved me up. It cant obviously not happen in real golf since everyone is playing on different holes but this is a videogame and it would be fun. I would also like to be able choose surface on the range and also different lies (uphill downhill etc.) that would have helped me a lot.
When at the range, press the start / menu button to bring up ur profile menu
scroll down to and select “practice” then “chipping practice”
Press (B) / (O), this should give you an overhead view. From here u can zoom in and place your ball anywhere and on dang near any surface within the range.
R1/Rb & L1/Lb to select what pin ur aiming for. I Think there’s 3 different pins to select from each on their own green, 2 next to each other and 1 is back behind the range at the end of the long fairway.
When I needed practice for long irons I found it very helpful to pause and turn on “auto mulligan”, so you can practice the same shot over n over without having to change clubs, shot type, or anything else.
I know it’s a lil late but I hope this helps you or anyone else out. This definitely made me not suck as much back when I was a we lad lol. Pretty sure Tgc 2019 & 2k21 both had this same option in their ranges as well.
GLHF
I would love a feature in Casual, Competitive and Career mode where you can create a Ryder Cup team. Select 5, 8 or 12 team matches. You can go though and play a Ryder Cup style tournament in Societies where you’re part of a team or in Casual where you and a friend can select golfers and create teams with various formats. Same would be true at the end of the season in MyCareer. It’s all sitting there, they have all the formats, they have the golfers and as Respawn said they can create a lobby for multiple players. Get it done 2K, EA is already doing it. Let people create their own cup and select the course they want to play it in and produce the scoreboard on who leads after each match.
Oh and I totally agree with Online Scoieites have Cross- Platform capabilities. There’s nothing that has me more frustrated with this game than that missing feature. How do you have across every other online form but arguably the most important one outside of Ranked!?! It makes no sense to me.
Is it official that they will release 2k25 this year? Excellent recap of 2k23 though.
Not official yet, but that is the speculation.
13:49 I call BS on that. NBA 2k21-2k24 have shoe creator for official sneakers. I can turn a pair of Jordan XI into an all-black sneaker made purely of metal. On the other end of the spectrum: NBA series need more variety on generic 2K Sneakers.
Ive got over 300hrs on both 2k and EA. Both have their pros and cons. If 2k irons out their tempo issues and touches up their career mode, id be satisfied
Love your videos...glad we're talking about the new game...BUT....Haven't heard a peep about a new game being released. And everyone thinking we're getting some new graphics...hate to say it, but I doubt that very much. Let's hope they don't touch putting, and they make the waterfalls look better than ps1 graphics. Let's fix water drop locations, lets give more tools and goodies for the designers.
Have to do another video game or 2K24 I hopefully do a due tiger vision. My favorite mode since 2005 how to putting better.
The next game we’re going to have to pay XP coins to play local matches 😂
I still love the game and play competitive mode with a friend a couple time a week. I agree with you, "it's good, kind of, but it could be so much better". The shadows in the game are horrible. They need a complete lighting update so it's not so damn dark in a lot of areas. It's too hard to see the green when it's in the shadows as well. It just looks terrible and dated. Also, the competitive mode is OK, but not great. I really hate how it goes to closest to the pin on the first hole of the tiebreaker. I think they should allow maybe 2 tied holes before implementing closest to the pin mechanic. Also resetting the rankings every season sucks. Every 4th of 5th time my friend and I get on there to play competitive we are reset again.
I really hope they upgrade the game to UE5, but I'm not holding my breath. BTW, I have been enjoying your VR series with Golf+. Do you know there is a mod you can run called praydogs uevr injector so you can pretty much run any recent unreal engine game in VR. I know it works in UE4 and UE5. It is amazing being able to play all the UE games in VR and even though it would be on a controller and instead of the VR controllers it would still be awesome to play the new version of this in VR. It would not take the place of true VR games like golf+ but it is awesome to be able to look around in VR in non VR games.
How do I join my friends society on pga 2k23
Is there 2k25 coming out
At some point. Tentative thinking this year but maybe next.
I think if they chose a better art style that would be better then changing the engine entirely
Several of the systems are pretty cool, but they are a bit to much. Have 3 styles long, balanced, conservative, and give us several systems that let us lean into those styles that are reasonable to manage. Don't make one of the styles a meta either, separate the styles where there are some clear advantages. The special balls are fine, but just 3-5 types that give clear positives and negatives, require TGC tours to allow the use of them (because none of them would be extreme or shifting the speed of the green).
They should have lobbies and rooms accessible from the driving range. You should be able to post matches, talk and text. Also, I would like the ability to set up games for 12-20 players or more on the fly. Things like a March Madness bracket comp, or presidents cup style competition. Anything that would allow you to set up a comp over several fousomes and the game keeps track and scores as you traverse the comp.
I don't think divot derby makes any sense with golf... how fast you complete hole means nothing, has nothing to do with golf.
Will you be fortunate enough to be involved in some way with the new game? You've done so much for the series in my opinion and deserve some say in the new game...I think you can offer some great insight and great gameplay advice.
where do i find the 3 click
settings - controls
3 click should have its own online ranked in the next game no skill in it atall
They 1000,0000% need to do work with the stick swing mechanics especially for Xbox the 3 click gave another option but a well tested and working stick swing mechanic is what’s needed I fell into the trap of calibrating which made it worse but unable to revert back without losing hours and hours of play was a joke. One of the biggest things in a golf game is the swing get it sorted please
I like golf My favorite sport I've been playing a game since 2005.
I have the New one 2k23. Ps4
Societies...let us have API access like TGC Tours has. Activision does it with COD games, Psyonix/Epic with Rocket League, ect. Would be so much fun to have society data offline to track stats, do skins, all the things...
Like the game but they need to upgrade the graphics which would make it even better. Make it more realistic.
11:26 I hate that system. It makes 7'+ center builds really weak and restrictive from animation and stat cap standpoints.
They need to hire you asap
If I actually could do anything with coding maybe they would lol
With mountain dew 👻 epic anticipation 2025
Did you purposely make your character look like TheApexHound?
Lmaooo I didn't, but now that you say that, I see the resemblance.
@@MoreRespawn Great video. I agree for the most part. Haven't played since last spring and used to be in your twitch rooms a lot which were fun (socks or no socks always made me crack up), but looking forward to ranked again when the new one comes out and getting back into it again. Any word on when the new version might be coming out?
If they do a major graphics overhaul than the user made past courses won’t port over. I say drop the course designer and fine tune the graphics and tempo. Most user made courses are clones anyways
without coursedesigner the game wil stop to exist, bad idea.
Maybe you should create a golf game it would probably be better
I feel like if 2k wants to go head to head with EA they have got to get all the licensing for all of the courses tournaments and championships including the masters.
if we got a new engine but leave the designer then i hope we never get a new engine ever again. i don’t care. doesn’t matter. no ifs nors buts or ands. that’s the bottom line.
what you’re saying about the designer is so true. please keep talking about it because some of the biggest designers have some of the smallest voices in the game. good video btw (i’m like halfway through it don’t say some stupid shit please)
also for ranked i want to see a ranked master playlist. (legend too but nobody agrees because they’re scared tbh let’s make the game actually hard)
i don’t even play them, but the functionality of the putt putt courses would be cool
oh and official courses, please please please can we fix them. there are some genuine unfair pins on a lot of greens because of new green physics and that needs to be fixed
As much as I loved TGC19, 2K21, and 2K23... I don't see myself playing a 2K golf game for a very long time. I enjoy playing EA's golf game more and the graphics are a million times better. In my opinion the only things that 2K does better than EA is have more courses and better online play. However EA has every course that I want to play except for Bethpage Black so that doesn't bother me. And I just play offline or with a friend so that doesn't really bother me.
And if that is what you want out of a game and enjoy it, always do that.
EA’s Swing mechanics/gameplay doesn’t bring the realistic feel to me. IMO. I prefer 2K
@@elogan2412 I can see why people would like 2K's swing more but I prefer EAs
EA has a game? Is that the Rory game?
@@jefft9893 no, really?
Very interesting stuff.. First off, I love this game and play daily.. 90% in societies and 10% in ranked singles.. And the odd divot derby.. To keep this game at the top just give the designers anything they want.. They make this game what it is for me. The variety of courses form put put, to fantasy, to classic courses make it what it is.. Agree with many of your comments re: skills, archetypes etc. Once I got mine where i wanted them I haven't touched hem for months. As you said it makes little difference once you get mostly legend. Love watching along with you guys on youtube and twitch, Kawkster, Apex etc.. Long may it continue.🏌
If the designer disappears so would I
Societies are one of the most toxic places I’ve ever had the misfortune to go to and HBneed to be more proactive and listen to the people who play the game
Always enjoyed ranked online play on EA, you could pick what swing type or level you wanted to play, but this swing time bullshit in 2K absolutely blows. Don't even bother to try ranked anymore.
2k21 is the better game. I don’t know what you’re smoking. Also EA PGA is way better minus course creation. Yeah EA has problems but EA is a better game.
your videos on 2x speed sound like a normal video, talk faster bruh cmon
No.
Act like I'll pass for me anticipate fall 24 25
Fall 2024
I can see why you uninstalled. Thank goodness
Stopped watching due to amount of ads
?? ads, i have no ads on this vid at all.
@@wout123100not true at all
just pay for youtube bro it’s worth it you’ll never be able to go back to ads again it’s so amazing it’s worth every penny to never see ads again
@@ghhhpbut why should you have to pay to watch addless videos 😂 I remember when the video would play all the way through and almost melt the iPhone 4s screen because the video was so long and never once had a advertisement on it 😅
Ridiculous to not talk about career mode. Makes zero sense. Just because you don't play it means nothing for the future of the game. Makes everything else null and void.
You think HB doesn't know that they need to update the career? LOL
I thought that was completely obvious. Also, just because I didn't talk about one thing, everything else is null and void? That makes sense lol Next time I will make sure to say the one sentence, "Hey, they need to update career mode badly. Alright moving on"
@@MoreRespawn So since it's obvious, don't mention the career? That's stupid. It's obvious the store sucks. You mentioned that. Basically, you only brought up the things YOU want to see. Not what's best for the game. Just a dude thinking about streaming the game.
@@RickMiMann415 I'm starting to think deleting the career mode completely is what is best for the game. Maybe I'll put that video out next 😂
@@MoreRespawn Corny. But, that's your style.
@@MoreRespawn Corny. But, that's your style.
I hope for better grapich and more right for golf courses with real players or Else it will be a flat game but for people who love to make courses is lucky and they shuld do something about swing , since its inposible to hit 100 % accurate and stop with all the bots.
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