Does anyone think that Zaheer and his buddies are like a twisted reflection of Aang and his friends. You know, a group of lone benders trekking the world to take down an evil authority. A truely existential threat for Korra.
If they existed in Aang's time I feel like only the fire nation would see them as anarchists, and the Gaang and white lotus would probably view them like Jet(as morally ambiguous vigilantes but not purely evil) and that's really interesting to think about
@@MoondropSimulacra it really is. Zaheer's gang is like Korra, all of them would've fit better in Aang's time because for Korra, that was during a war and she's a headstrong fighter type, and for Zaheer, because the fire nation before Zuko was a dictatorship that needed to be stopped. Part of the reason the red lotus were seen as anarchists is because the war was already taken care of and they weren't fighting a dictatorship, and ironically they basically started one(Kuvira's Earth Empire) in their fallout
'Instinct is but a lie, told by a fearful body. Hoping to be wrong..' 'What's that supposed to mean?' ..'It means: when you base your expectations only on what you see - you blind yourself to the possibilities of a new reality' ....and that ladies an gents, is how you solidify yourself as the best villain in the series.
Hahahaha why because he spouts a bunch of philosophy while having the most retarded ideology out of any of the villains? Anarchism is the worst political ideology because it creates a power vacuum and allowing for tyrannical leaders to gain immense power. Look at season 4, Zaheers entire purpose was to tear down any form of political power but in killing the earth Queen he let Kuvira, an even worse leader, take over.
@@jeff3221 Zaheer wasn't right but he wasn't wrong either. His beliefs wasn't exactly unwarranted as history shows that order, power of leadership corrupts. Firelord Sozin sort to takes over the world and started a world war that lasted 3 generations later corrupting the royal family in the same beliefs. We've seen the earth king become a naive puppet being controlled by his own forces and brainwashing his citizens. We've had Tarlok manipulate the council(who couldn't think for themselves) into doing his biding by oppressing his people. We've had Raiko make moronic decisions just so him and republic city wouldn't look bad in the eyes of the public. Unalaq started a civil war among his own people to betray his own brother and gain more power. The earth queen forced airbenders into becoming her own personal army. Kuvira forced people into joining her cause without any say or freedom and take what she wants.
@@Michael-iv2dw his point was that because sometimes those in power do bad stuff or are bad, we shouldn't have anyone in power is retarded. He created Kuvira through his actions, his actions that were supposed to help the people, only made things worse. How can you say he was sort of right? His ideology created the very thing it swore to destroy, it's that fucking stupid of a political stance
@@jeff3221 you say "something" but more often than not, world leaders end up either running a corrupt society at the work of their own hands, turn out to not be fit to lead, or start wars in an effort to gain power. Zaheer may have left a power vacuum but that depend on whether the people took it or chose freedom. Really and truly it was suyin's fault for allowing kuvira to take charge and her son. Zaheer may have failed to create disorder but that's only because he took his ideology too far and only saw chaos in his end game with no other possible outcome. Obviously, that was a big mistake but if he had planned ahead he could made it so no one would gain any type of power of authority over others since he and the red lotus are the most powerful benders in the world. He could have made the red lotus live on long after his death with the same ideology set as a foundation for the organisation.
The only flaw in Zaheer's ideology is that he believed anarchy to be sustainable and beneficial to the people, anarchy is a temporary in between state of old and new, Zaheer saw that earth kingdoms queen was a tyrant and that the president was daft his desire for change was justifiable, had Korra and the gang not interfered with Red lotus's plans they could have stuck around to help guide that change by ensuring that those who came after would follow whatever they saw as good and to remove people like Kuvira from power after they have served their purpose of unification, Red lotus is the eraser to remove stagnancy, oppression and "mistakes" from taking root, eventually they would have been able to allow for unified earth kingdom with benevolent ruler to blossom, to ensure that no buffoon rules as president and to be a shadow reminder to tyrants to not abuse their powers against the people and to rule justly lest they wish to face the Red lotus, Korra and the gang acted like predictable naive protagonists do, they saw change as evil and sought to protect the status quo like most children's stories heroes do, Red lotus weren't shying away from using methods that the heroes would be unable to use thus giving them new doors and possibilities on handling problems, one of the glaring problem is however if the Red lotus would be stuck in their erasing for change ways and would be unsatisfied with every new thing that sprouts from the ruins of the old and thus be the poison that ruins the garden instead of the gardener that weeds out the harmful plants and pests from it, best possible outcome would have been Avatar and the gang working with Red lotus to guide the growth of the new but that would have made them anti-heroes or at least a shade of gray heroes and would have been a little much for children's show to explore
Nathan C. He is certainly a well groomed individual, especially given that he managed to maintain that stylin' stache for over a decade on a vessel with no metal or earth on it whatsoever.
white lotus : we must protect avatar at all cost! red lotus : fuck that let's kill the avatar! also red lotus : i'll help the avatar reconnect with raava
Zaheer was hands down one of the best villains I've ever seen. He was causing so much chaos but the fact that he was so wise and actually believed what he was doing was good made him so much deeper or more interesting as a character. And the fact that he was even willing to help Korra out of her weakened mental state just went to show that he really was a decent guy.
I don't know if I'd go that far. He more-or-less said that he was willing to help Korra specifically because Kuvira was the antithesis of everything he wanted to achieve. If he were free, he'd probably try to douse her in mercury again.
Chris Noble In the Ang series I didn´t empathize at all with the lord or fire or the fire nation, only with zucko because his suffering with his father. They were imperialist mother fuckers. But with the vilians in the Korra series I felt more close to them than to the avatar. I empathize with the igualitarians because some benders were abusing with their power and the igualitarian leader had a point in his fight and deserve revenge. Also like more the character of Zaheer wanting freedom for him and his friends and stop the retarded goverment of king and queens. Also when there is injustice is better to have chaos. The avatar was annoying trying to defend the injust stablished order an playing the good obedient girl. In the book 2 I liked more Korra than Unalaq because he only wanted power for no reason, only to control the world, same as fire nation.
odraudesalenro I see where you're coming from. However, the time of Aang was much before that of Korra, so it makes sense that the villains were imperialists. Most of the wars in our past were simply power struggles, and with time they became for more civilized causes (i.e. equality for all).
i feel the same, the beat is played in a way that you can feel the chaos but in a way its controlled ! you can feel the calm and powerfull figure of zaheer when you listen to it ! just incredible, props to the team that made it
Nine years later and this song still gives me the mother of all goosebumps. The Red Lotus were the best villains in the entire franchise and I'll die on that hill.
You're not wrong. Zaheer alone would take out any of the villains, with Amon being the only one who could keep up due to his psychic bloodbending. But Zaheer is smart, and would find a way to counter it, and work his way through it.
I still remember the first time I saw Iroh and the rest of the White Lotus lead the attack on Ba Sing Se. The fluidity and coordination of the attack was breathtaking. The way they acted in unison during that brief, but unforgettable sequence of animation was just majestic. I experienced that same feeling every single time the Red Lotus came on screen. Azula, Hama, Ozai, Amon...all great villains in their own way...but the Red Lotus brought something different to the table. No matter what, it was the strength of the group that turned out to be the saving grace of Team Avatar. No single member could have accomplished so much on their own. The Red Lotus were such a great foil to Team Avatar because their strength flowed from the same source. They were a unit comprised of members from every nation and bending discipline who acted harmoniously with one another. Every last fight sequence they were involved with was absolutely mesmerizing. I've heard the complaint that this track was rather overused. In my opinion, the fact that so many fight sequences were accompanied by this piece just makes it all the more relevant and memorable. It was a major reason why the battle between the Red Lotus and the children of Aang and Katara was so hard for me to watch. This music captures all of those wonderful moments of the season so effortlessly and in such a short span of time.
Imagine 4 seasons of a built up zaheer, maybe make amon kuvira, unalok, and amon red lotus members korra deals with before ultimately dealing with zaheer
@@kysoneilers4892well Unalaq was a red lotus member but he ended up betraying them. I feel like if Amon was also part of the red lotus it wouldve made everything so much deeper, have him live through the seasons causing chaos. Adding more complex backstories to Unalaq and why he became a villain wouldve been fleshed him out and made him actually interesting.
"Let go of your earthly tether. Enter the Void. Empty, and become wind." Ghazan, Ming Hua, P'Li and Zaheer were, in my opinion, the best villains in the Avatar Universe. I could never really come to hate them. There were little moments throughout the season such as P'Li and Zaheer's relationship, the time when they were in a car and Bolin was making guesses about what Ghazan's childhood was like, and how Ghazan congratulated Bolin for learning how to lavabend that showed us that they weren't just killing machines like Ozai. I loved Azula as much as the next person, she's my second favorite character in A:tLA, she and Ozai cannot compare to this group because their motive is lacking. Ozai was an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole. "World domination" is a stale motive but Zaheer and his gang wanted chaos, they wanted to kill all world leaders. "Chaos is the natural order." Zaheer was crazy but he was smart, very wise, believed everything he was doing was right, had ideals and he wanted to see his goals accomplished, so much so he was willing to help Korra in season four. The Red Lotus were calm in the midst of the chaos and this track is so fitting for them. The Legend of Korra, in my eyes, is perfection.
Yes! Everything you said is exactly what makes the Red Lotus my favorite villain(s) from either series. Also worth noting, they were exceptional in combat, especially against benders of the same elements. Ming Hua and Ghazan, especially, turned anything that was thrown at them into a tool to use against their enemies. Ming Hua specifically is completely terrifying in combat and very intimidating with her unique style, and P'Li, though her blasts were somewhat less powerful than Combustion man, was far more adept at using her bending for unique and devious ways. Pretty much all season 3 was just epic and awesome, particularly the skirmish at Zoufu and at the Air Temple (Tenzin was/is the only character to successfully score a hit on Zaheer until the finale).
+Daniel Wells I completely agree with you! Yes, P'Li's explosions were less powerful, but some advantages she had were I feel like she got around a lot easier than Sparky Sparky Boom Man, and her shots seemed to be able to curve as well. With Ghazan there was a quote Bolin said when he was fighting him that was like "It's like I'm giving him ammo" which was true. One moment that happened when Ming Hua really stood out to me was when they were supposedly keeping the airbenders as leverage and when they entered the room it turned out she was just using water bending to keep the robes up. For a moment I wasn't even mad because it was SO cool :/ Another thing to think about is just how skilled of an air bender Zaheer was. He was a prodigy. He was an amazing bender after a few weeks. He wasn't up to Tenzin's level but it was really amazing how good he was after being trapped in a cell for 13 years :| Season three of LoK was just amazing in every way :D
the creators of both series learned pretty quickly that "villains"need relatable motives, thats why they added zuko and made azula the more prominent villain. i found season 3 to be the best of all avatar seasons, even though i loved amon as a villain in season one. he was just scary, theres no other way to put it. but even season 4 had a solid villain, the only season of korra i despise was season 2.
+firudu Yeah I don't think anyone really likes Season Two of LoK. Unavatu was a cool villain but he had no motive. He just wanted to be the dark avatar and cause 10,000 years of darkness, it was stupid. I'm glad they didn't make that mistake again in the third and fourth seasons. The only thing I really liked was meeting Avatar Wan and learning his story.
I dont dislike season 2. We just got a villain that seemed too close to Ozai by being flat, despite Unalaq not being completely flat. He was right about the spirits. We just grew past the Ozai level, which I think is why season 2 gets criticized when it actually is still pretty good. I mean if Unalaq gets criticized the entire series of the Last Airbender should be criticized since the main villain was the most one dimensional villain we ever got. LOK just gets more scrutinized since we expected better writing.
Laghima once wrote, Instinct is a lie, Told by a fearful body, Hoping To Be Wrong. It means that when you based your expectations only on what you see, you blind yourself to the possibilities of a new reality......
I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually like the villain(s) in this book...they seem intelligible and their purpose of tyranny does not root from pure evil
Well we still don't know much about them. Most villains at first don't seem like their intentions are pure evil. Amon for instance seemed like he had a legit reason to rebel against benders since they were oppressing non-benders but we later realized he was a water/blood bender and just wanted to be the leader/strongest bender in a world full of non-benders.
seriously, i dont know how nickelodeon can skip avatar. its such a great show, sure, book 2 was a little lame, but book 3 had very cool villains. and book 4 builds on a somehow more tough look, i really like what i saw yesterday.
I feel like the Red Lotus gets unjustly underrated in TLA/LOK discussions. They were so crazy powerful that Aang made the White Lotus keep Korra on lockdown until they thought she was ready. Zaheer is my favorite character in either series. True believers are a scary thing.
Not only that but their methods were beyond vicious. Their bending was beyond that of a master level, were willing to kill (the Earth Queen being their first victim) and their fighting was borderline brutal. The final fight against Zaheer and Korra was in my opinion the most savage not only because Korra was slowly being poisoned but Zaheer's mastery of airbending and flight made him a lethal foe. Not even Ozai was this brutal or powerful and he had a comet to enhance his strength; Zaheer had nothing but skill
Sorry, you said Aang made the White Lotus keep Korra on lockdown until they thought she was ready. Don't you mean Tenzin, Korra's dad and maybe Zuko? Didn't they not know about the group until they first tried to kidnap Korra when she was a child?
Zaheer was definitely an enlightened guy. He was not particularly attached to anything after Pli's death. He even don't hold any grudge against Korra and helps her later.
He definitely was NOT enlightened. Enlightened beings do not harm other living beings…. But Zaheer straight-up killed the Earth Queen and sent the Truth Seer to eternal damnation. He’s the opposite of enlightened
@@TheAmazingHoho576 huh? U can never judge enlightened beings. They are not bound by ur conditioned morals. They are not bound by rules. They are truly free. Zaheer got enlightened after pli's death. He remembered the sutra of guru laghima and then he applied it on himself, and this time he fully experienced it as Pli, his final earthly attachment was no more.. And about enlightened beings, i have seen and heard of many types. The thing about them is that even after enlightenment, they follow their usual lives normally, difference is just in their mind that now they wouldnt care about results.
@@TheAmazingHoho576 and dont know where ur logic even is. He got enlightened after pli's death and that was after killing earth queen. And btw, earth queen deserved it lol.
@Madara Uchiha I don’t disagree with anything you said, except for your assertion that he was enlightened. He wasn’t. Being able to be unattached from the world and truly being enlightened are two different things. For example, the Buddha. Siddhartha achieved enlightenment. And what did he teach? To “radiate boundless love to all living beings without restraint”. THAT is true enlightenment…. Spiritual advancement is the true indicator of if someone is enlightened or not. The fact Zaheer mercilessly killed the queen and tortured Korra shows he wasn’t even close to being enlightened……
I personally loved that each one of the villians in each book of korra is actually the hero of their story. The only thing that made them villians was the fact that they took things to extremes instead of looking at how their actions would effect others around them. "Does the means justify the ends" is a quote that comes to mind when i think of all the villians in LOK
don't compare the two... Zaheer has a coherent ideology and is actually intelligent and insightful as well as cunning and vicious. Thanos is just a run of the mill narcissist who believes in one of the most stupid ideologies ever, malthusianism, which has no basis in reality, instead it's based on eugenics and racism. There is more than enough resources in the world already, they are just kept from the people who need them by capitalists and monarchs. Thanos was a power hungry asshole who could talk slow and seem impressive. Zaheer was an actual intelligent person totally committed to his ideology.
Red Lotus are my fav villains from TLOK!! "Individually they can take down any bender, put them all together they can take down whole world" -Lord Zuko
This music....WHAT IS IT CALLED??? Everytime it comes on during a fight scene or an intense scene just omg. Shut up and take my money already I want it now. Someone please
The Red Louts was hands down the best villains in The last airbender and Korra combined. And I’m just going off the way they fight. When they fight in unison they are unstoppable. P’li was their main source of firepower. And combustion has a tiny window of opportunity where it can be taken out or neutralized. Zaheer was their second source of firepower. With his sturdy airbending he could keep the battle going if P’li were to go down. Then there is Ghazan. He uses his lava to create distance. His earth is mainly used for brute force, but his lava if for making distance. He doesn’t expect his lava to connect but his opponents can’t walk in la a so he can use it to get his enemies off of him. Then there is Ming Hua. She can do both offense and defense and her water arms give her more dexterity. She is the wild card. If needed she can use her octopus form to try and overpower the enemy if the team is lacking. But let’s talk about their role when fighting as one. P’li and Zaheer are for long distance and short distance attack respectively. Ghazan deals with creating distance for P’li and dealing with those who get close but aren’t close enough for Zaheer to deal with and Ming Hua is meant to cover P’li flanks so that window of opportunity is now closed and she’s a last resort too. Together they make the most dynamic group ever
Zaheer saved the show for me. I hated book 2 and didn't even finish watching it. Than maybe a year later a friend kept saying: ''You have to watch book 3 its so good''. He was right I loved book 3 and in my opinion its the best season of the show. Zaheer deserves most of the credit because he was such an awesome villain.
RickeGnool Yeah most fans like book 2 the least and I do too. I agree with Zaheer being such an awesome villain him and his team had such great fight scenes and is part of the reason why book 3 is my favourite book. Have you seen book 4 it's really good too.
MattTheHuman Yeah I have seen it and its pretty good, but I have some problems with it. I don't really like Kuvira as a villain and I think the giant mecha suit was dumb. Loved the the final scene though.
“ YOU THINK FREEDOM is something that you can give or take on a whim. BUT TO YOUR PEOPLE. Freedom Is Just As Essential As AIR. And Without It.There Is No Life. There Is Only DARKNESS.
Ngl Zaheer had me so much convinced with his ideology that I started to get scared by my own train of thoughts that followed. He is wise, charming and with so much depth.
I'm probably gonna get hate for this, but I actually like LOK more than ATLA. They're both amazing shows, but LOK is less for kids and the plot twists are really cool! There are no filler episodes and I like Korra's badass attitude. I got so sad when I learned Aang and Sokka were dead in LOK, and I was kind of uncertain about how modern LOK was. But i learned to accept the change because honestly it's such a good show and I really enjoyed it
This music is simply phenomenal... Really encapsulates the viciousness of the Red Lotus. I can just picture the fight with Tenzin and the attempt to free P'Li every time I hear this. Simply amazing and inspiring... In a weird yet awesome way.
Instinct is a lie told by a fearful body hoping to be wrong . It means when you base your expectations only on what you see ... You blind yourself to the possibilities .. of a new .. reality ... "
This ost has such a eerie and scary vibe to it, and it fits perfect. The Red Lotus were a group that every character from both franchises feared the most. The Gaang locked Korra up until she was almost an adult because of them. When Zuko is told that Zaheer is an air bender you can tell the fear he has of them. This theme captures that fear perfectly
Shahrul Kurt Adam I really do want Tenzin to have survived. I don't normally argue with character deaths, but really, Tenzin dying is not the problem. Jenora, Ikki, and Milo losing a loving father IS the problem.
i think this is honestly the most epic piece of music from legend of korra! that's just my opinion but also the villains are pretty awesome in this book!! i actually like them a lot!!
![Red Lotus Theme [Extended]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/pAq99QqPlK0/mqdefault.jpg)
![Red Lotus Theme [Extended]](/img/tr.png)
Everyone is a gangsta until Zaheer start quoting Guru Lahima
lmao
XD
laghima
True XDDDDDD
Give me one of his quote
Does anyone think that Zaheer and his buddies are like a twisted reflection of Aang and his friends. You know, a group of lone benders trekking the world to take down an evil authority. A truely existential threat for Korra.
That gave me chills just thinking about that lol
Damn
If they existed in Aang's time I feel like only the fire nation would see them as anarchists, and the Gaang and white lotus would probably view them like Jet(as morally ambiguous vigilantes but not purely evil) and that's really interesting to think about
@@othervids3726 same thought. But how about their purpose after the 100years war?
Isn't that interesting?
@@MoondropSimulacra it really is. Zaheer's gang is like Korra, all of them would've fit better in Aang's time because for Korra, that was during a war and she's a headstrong fighter type, and for Zaheer, because the fire nation before Zuko was a dictatorship that needed to be stopped. Part of the reason the red lotus were seen as anarchists is because the war was already taken care of and they weren't fighting a dictatorship, and ironically they basically started one(Kuvira's Earth Empire) in their fallout
Unalaq - Dark Avatar
Red Lotus - Dark Team Avatar
Damn straight.
Kuvira= Dark Korra
Grand Shaw Amon = dark Aang
+SarahForeshadow13 How is Amon anything like Aang???
+GameSphere Master Race Removes peoples bending rather then kill them, and fights to bring down what he sees as a totalitarian government.
Season 3 was beyond fire , that season was mad intense and well constructed I couldn’t ask for more.
Of course Season 3 was beyond fire! It was… AIR!
@@madelinealiah9737ah yes, the legend of the punmaster
Season 4 on the other hand... 🗑️🗑️🗑️
@@sauce8148it was aight
@@sauce8148 ehh first part was good
Zaheer, Amon, Azula and Kuvira.
This squad would be deadly.
Indeed. 😏
The greatest antagonists of the entire Avatar franchise
They'd immediately start fighting each other. Amon and Zaheer would probably team up against Azula and Kuvira.
that team is overkill since amon ends the fight instantly
Zaheer would hate Kuvira and Azula to death. But I don‘t think Zaheer could beat Azula. Kuvira maybe.
"Let go of your earthly tether. Enter the void. Empty, and become wind."
-Zaheer
best quote ever, i say it all the time*****
***** Almost as good as the quote he used while suffocating the Earth Queen
actually its by guru laghima
@@wizzybang6239 the wise guru laghima
No actually
-Guru Laghima*
this music builds up the intensity of this season
exactly!
Yeah!!
'Instinct is but a lie, told by a fearful body. Hoping to be wrong..'
'What's that supposed to mean?'
..'It means: when you base your expectations only on what you see - you blind yourself to the possibilities of a new reality'
....and that ladies an gents, is how you solidify yourself as the best villain in the series.
Hahahaha why because he spouts a bunch of philosophy while having the most retarded ideology out of any of the villains? Anarchism is the worst political ideology because it creates a power vacuum and allowing for tyrannical leaders to gain immense power. Look at season 4, Zaheers entire purpose was to tear down any form of political power but in killing the earth Queen he let Kuvira, an even worse leader, take over.
@@jeff3221 Zaheer wasn't right but he wasn't wrong either. His beliefs wasn't exactly unwarranted as history shows that order, power of leadership corrupts. Firelord Sozin sort to takes over the world and started a world war that lasted 3 generations later corrupting the royal family in the same beliefs. We've seen the earth king become a naive puppet being controlled by his own forces and brainwashing his citizens. We've had Tarlok manipulate the council(who couldn't think for themselves) into doing his biding by oppressing his people. We've had Raiko make moronic decisions just so him and republic city wouldn't look bad in the eyes of the public. Unalaq started a civil war among his own people to betray his own brother and gain more power. The earth queen forced airbenders into becoming her own personal army. Kuvira forced people into joining her cause without any say or freedom and take what she wants.
@@Michael-iv2dw his point was that because sometimes those in power do bad stuff or are bad, we shouldn't have anyone in power is retarded. He created Kuvira through his actions, his actions that were supposed to help the people, only made things worse. How can you say he was sort of right? His ideology created the very thing it swore to destroy, it's that fucking stupid of a political stance
@@jeff3221 you say "something" but more often than not, world leaders end up either running a corrupt society at the work of their own hands, turn out to not be fit to lead, or start wars in an effort to gain power. Zaheer may have left a power vacuum but that depend on whether the people took it or chose freedom. Really and truly it was suyin's fault for allowing kuvira to take charge and her son. Zaheer may have failed to create disorder but that's only because he took his ideology too far and only saw chaos in his end game with no other possible outcome. Obviously, that was a big mistake but if he had planned ahead he could made it so no one would gain any type of power of authority over others since he and the red lotus are the most powerful benders in the world. He could have made the red lotus live on long after his death with the same ideology set as a foundation for the organisation.
The only flaw in Zaheer's ideology is that he believed anarchy to be sustainable and beneficial to the people, anarchy is a temporary in between state of old and new, Zaheer saw that earth kingdoms queen was a tyrant and that the president was daft his desire for change was justifiable, had Korra and the gang not interfered with Red lotus's plans they could have stuck around to help guide that change by ensuring that those who came after would follow whatever they saw as good and to remove people like Kuvira from power after they have served their purpose of unification, Red lotus is the eraser to remove stagnancy, oppression and "mistakes" from taking root, eventually they would have been able to allow for unified earth kingdom with benevolent ruler to blossom, to ensure that no buffoon rules as president and to be a shadow reminder to tyrants to not abuse their powers against the people and to rule justly lest they wish to face the Red lotus, Korra and the gang acted like predictable naive protagonists do, they saw change as evil and sought to protect the status quo like most children's stories heroes do, Red lotus weren't shying away from using methods that the heroes would be unable to use thus giving them new doors and possibilities on handling problems, one of the glaring problem is however if the Red lotus would be stuck in their erasing for change ways and would be unsatisfied with every new thing that sprouts from the ruins of the old and thus be the poison that ruins the garden instead of the gardener that weeds out the harmful plants and pests from it, best possible outcome would have been Avatar and the gang working with Red lotus to guide the growth of the new but that would have made them anti-heroes or at least a shade of gray heroes and would have been a little much for children's show to explore
The Red Lotus really don't fuck around.
Ghuzan looks like the one who would...........if you know what I mean.
Intelligent American that facial hair...
Nathan C. He is certainly a well groomed individual, especially given that he managed to maintain that stylin' stache for over a decade on a vessel with no metal or earth on it whatsoever.
white lotus : we must protect avatar at all cost!
red lotus : fuck that let's kill the avatar!
also red lotus : i'll help the avatar reconnect with raava
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Zaheer was hands down one of the best villains I've ever seen. He was causing so much chaos but the fact that he was so wise and actually believed what he was doing was good made him so much deeper or more interesting as a character. And the fact that he was even willing to help Korra out of her weakened mental state just went to show that he really was a decent guy.
I don't know if I'd go that far. He more-or-less said that he was willing to help Korra specifically because Kuvira was the antithesis of everything he wanted to achieve. If he were free, he'd probably try to douse her in mercury again.
TheLithp He even said that he would help her because now their interests aligned.
Chris Noble In the Ang series I didn´t empathize at all with the lord or fire or the fire nation, only with zucko because his suffering with his father. They were imperialist mother fuckers. But with the vilians in the Korra series I felt more close to them than to the avatar. I empathize with the igualitarians because some benders were abusing with their power and the igualitarian leader had a point in his fight and deserve revenge. Also like more the character of Zaheer wanting freedom for him and his friends and stop the retarded goverment of king and queens. Also when there is injustice is better to have chaos. The avatar was annoying trying to defend the injust stablished order an playing the good obedient girl. In the book 2 I liked more Korra than Unalaq because he only wanted power for no reason, only to control the world, same as fire nation.
odraudesalenro I see where you're coming from. However, the time of Aang was much before that of Korra, so it makes sense that the villains were imperialists. Most of the wars in our past were simply power struggles, and with time they became for more civilized causes (i.e. equality for all).
Chapter 4 villain and final fight were extremely underwhelming. My order of favorite chapters to least. 3, 1, 2, 4
hands down to zaheer, best villain in LoK
+Zefanya Lt FACT
2nd as kuvira
In the whole series actually
Actually i prefer Amon to Zaheer. But yeah, Zaheer is damn cool as well.
zaheer doesn't even known yet in ATLA
I love Korra so much, the music is another level, it's amazing.
i really like your profile pic... where can i get that????
It's the japan rising sun, google it and you will find a lot of good images.
k. =D
Same I love Korra and LOK, amazing show
@Sarah I mean i like korra and the show but she's a bit....
chaotic (at least in the first 2 seasons)
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You know I wouldn't mind it all if you liberated the people of Europe from the tyrannical rule of those in the EU parliament...
I can verify that they approve.
Hahaha
@@platuimknight8769 You're welcome
@@zaheeroftheredlotus8197 Your team's soundtrack is one of my favorites
Ming-Hua’s death was shocking
P’Li’s death was mind blowing
and Ghazan’s suicide was earth shattering...
Took me a minute to figure out those puns lol, nice one.
not to mention the earth queen's death was breath taking
Lol
***** GG M8!!
*****
Well, P'Li's defeat was a no-brainer...
I give Legend of Korra one major credit...
... Zaheer lived.
Chained up though :/
***** So true, Zaheer is honestly my favorite villain in the Avatar universe :)
***** I also like Tarrlok quite a lot, even though he is not a real villain.
Ill give legend of korra another credit...
... season 3
@@photonalchemist6574 Season 3 was by far the best season!
the music screams calm controlled chaos... if such a thing makes sense. this music fits the red lotus better than every other character theme ever.
+Stuntman Pat. OTC makes sense to me
i feel the same, the beat is played in a way that you can feel the chaos but in a way its controlled ! you can feel the calm and powerfull figure of zaheer when you listen to it ! just incredible, props to the team that made it
Nine years later and this song still gives me the mother of all goosebumps. The Red Lotus were the best villains in the entire franchise and I'll die on that hill.
You're not wrong. Zaheer alone would take out any of the villains, with Amon being the only one who could keep up due to his psychic bloodbending. But Zaheer is smart, and would find a way to counter it, and work his way through it.
What's better than a literal dark avatar
@@neonraindrop8357Unalaq was a terribly one-note villain with zero depth. His children had more of an arc than he did.
I still remember the first time I saw Iroh and the rest of the White Lotus lead the attack on Ba Sing Se. The fluidity and coordination of the attack was breathtaking. The way they acted in unison during that brief, but unforgettable sequence of animation was just majestic. I experienced that same feeling every single time the Red Lotus came on screen. Azula, Hama, Ozai, Amon...all great villains in their own way...but the Red Lotus brought something different to the table. No matter what, it was the strength of the group that turned out to be the saving grace of Team Avatar. No single member could have accomplished so much on their own. The Red Lotus were such a great foil to Team Avatar because their strength flowed from the same source. They were a unit comprised of members from every nation and bending discipline who acted harmoniously with one another.
Every last fight sequence they were involved with was absolutely mesmerizing. I've heard the complaint that this track was rather overused. In my opinion, the fact that so many fight sequences were accompanied by this piece just makes it all the more relevant and memorable. It was a major reason why the battle between the Red Lotus and the children of Aang and Katara was so hard for me to watch. This music captures all of those wonderful moments of the season so effortlessly and in such a short span of time.
Agreed completely. Beautifully put, well done!
Well said
Avatar Wan Wan could say he perfectly displayed the Aangst of Korra.
Ur right and the symbol of them is badass I'm about to get a tattoo of it
Absolutely on the money here. Zaheer basically put together a Dark Team Avatar with 3 of the greatest benders in the entire world.
Zaheer should have been the main villain for all of Korra, dude was amazing.
Imagine 4 seasons of a built up zaheer, maybe make amon kuvira, unalok, and amon red lotus members korra deals with before ultimately dealing with zaheer
@@kysoneilers4892well Unalaq was a red lotus member but he ended up betraying them. I feel like if Amon was also part of the red lotus it wouldve made everything so much deeper, have him live through the seasons causing chaos. Adding more complex backstories to Unalaq and why he became a villain wouldve been fleshed him out and made him actually interesting.
That drop gets me every single time
Andy Zhang same
Same
Same
Same
Jeremy Zuckerman ascended to God status with his Legend of Korra soundtrack. He was almost there with ATLA's soundtrack.
@Asgard Thor All are great, Jeremy Zuckerman is a genius
TLOK’s music is seriously god tier compared to ATLA
I always play this music in my head when Tai Lung escapes from his prison in Kung Fu Panda.
yeah same!
+Rohit Ahuja There's a video of the Tai Lung Escape with the Red Lotus theme!
oH SHIT THATS WHAT THIS REMINDS ME OF
@@HomoSolari Can you post the link here?
@@BillyBob_McSanchez I found the video: ua-cam.com/video/kqMqP8sChb/v-deo.html in case you are still interested or haven't found it yourself by now
"Maybe I forgot to mention something: I do not believe in queens."
Those pounding drums are intense
That is one bad-ass themesong to play whilest hunting some avatars.
Imagine if they created a theme song for when Zuko was hunting Aang back in the original series XD
Amdragfan2 that would be epic
Amdragfan2 I wish, does the Fire Nation one count whenever we see him in Book 1 of ATLA?
Zuko could never
Red lotus's theme, hands down, is one of the most badass soundtracks out there.
i really want them to make a prequel to korra focused on the red lotus
1:29 I've waited 13 years to feel this warm.
"Let go of your earthly tether.
Enter the Void.
Empty, and become wind."
Ghazan, Ming Hua, P'Li and Zaheer were, in my opinion, the best villains in the Avatar Universe. I could never really come to hate them. There were little moments throughout the season such as P'Li and Zaheer's relationship, the time when they were in a car and Bolin was making guesses about what Ghazan's childhood was like, and how Ghazan congratulated Bolin for learning how to lavabend that showed us that they weren't just killing machines like Ozai. I loved Azula as much as the next person, she's my second favorite character in A:tLA, she and Ozai cannot compare to this group because their motive is lacking. Ozai was an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole. "World domination" is a stale motive but Zaheer and his gang wanted chaos, they wanted to kill all world leaders. "Chaos is the natural order." Zaheer was crazy but he was smart, very wise, believed everything he was doing was right, had ideals and he wanted to see his goals accomplished, so much so he was willing to help Korra in season four. The Red Lotus were calm in the midst of the chaos and this track is so fitting for them. The Legend of Korra, in my eyes, is perfection.
Yes! Everything you said is exactly what makes the Red Lotus my favorite villain(s) from either series. Also worth noting, they were exceptional in combat, especially against benders of the same elements. Ming Hua and Ghazan, especially, turned anything that was thrown at them into a tool to use against their enemies. Ming Hua specifically is completely terrifying in combat and very intimidating with her unique style, and P'Li, though her blasts were somewhat less powerful than Combustion man, was far more adept at using her bending for unique and devious ways. Pretty much all season 3 was just epic and awesome, particularly the skirmish at Zoufu and at the Air Temple (Tenzin was/is the only character to successfully score a hit on Zaheer until the finale).
+Daniel Wells I completely agree with you! Yes, P'Li's explosions were less powerful, but some advantages she had were I feel like she got around a lot easier than Sparky Sparky Boom Man, and her shots seemed to be able to curve as well. With Ghazan there was a quote Bolin said when he was fighting him that was like "It's like I'm giving him ammo" which was true. One moment that happened when Ming Hua really stood out to me was when they were supposedly keeping the airbenders as leverage and when they entered the room it turned out she was just using water bending to keep the robes up. For a moment I wasn't even mad because it was SO cool :/ Another thing to think about is just how skilled of an air bender Zaheer was. He was a prodigy. He was an amazing bender after a few weeks. He wasn't up to Tenzin's level but it was really amazing how good he was after being trapped in a cell for 13 years :| Season three of LoK was just amazing in every way :D
the creators of both series learned pretty quickly that "villains"need relatable motives, thats why they added zuko and made azula the more prominent villain.
i found season 3 to be the best of all avatar seasons, even though i loved amon as a villain in season one.
he was just scary, theres no other way to put it.
but even season 4 had a solid villain, the only season of korra i despise was season 2.
+firudu Yeah I don't think anyone really likes Season Two of LoK. Unavatu was a cool villain but he had no motive. He just wanted to be the dark avatar and cause 10,000 years of darkness, it was stupid. I'm glad they didn't make that mistake again in the third and fourth seasons. The only thing I really liked was meeting Avatar Wan and learning his story.
I dont dislike season 2. We just got a villain that seemed too close to Ozai by being flat, despite Unalaq not being completely flat. He was right about the spirits. We just grew past the Ozai level, which I think is why season 2 gets criticized when it actually is still pretty good. I mean if Unalaq gets criticized the entire series of the Last Airbender should be criticized since the main villain was the most one dimensional villain we ever got. LOK just gets more scrutinized since we expected better writing.
Laghima once wrote,
Instinct is a lie, Told by a fearful body, Hoping To Be Wrong.
It means that when you based your expectations only on what you see, you blind yourself to the possibilities of a new reality......
needs to be longer
YES MAKE IT ONE HOUR LONG
Shikazu Kazimir 10 hours
Quentin Bolt 1000+*
I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually like the villain(s) in this book...they seem intelligible and their purpose of tyranny does not root from pure evil
Well we still don't know much about them. Most villains at first don't seem like their intentions are pure evil. Amon for instance seemed like he had a legit reason to rebel against benders since they were oppressing non-benders but we later realized he was a water/blood bender and just wanted to be the leader/strongest bender in a world full of non-benders.
ATrainGame he never wanted to be the strongest bender he wanted to create a world of non benders, but he used a bending to take it away.
How ironic huh?
Me too. I love how they're the "special" benders who can show more potential of what benders can do. I also love their theme music.
Same they look really cool. Especially the earth bender that made a magma shrunken
The fights in Book 3 were so intense that I didn't even pay attention to how incredible the music was.
Gotta love the Red Lotus :P
i think thats going to be their name. in the new episode they said that there might be more of them looking for korra
yep
Yeah how can you not love us.
Combustion Woman P'Li Sup P'Li...
Hello AlphaMunky not much how are you doing?
so what music do u hear?
me: its complicated
One of the best villain themes i ever heard .
seriously, i dont know how nickelodeon can skip avatar. its such a great show, sure, book 2 was a little lame, but book 3 had very cool villains. and book 4 builds on a somehow more tough look, i really like what i saw yesterday.
Oplars No only in America. I saw the earthqueen dies on tv of the german nickelodeon. i think only America was so foulth
This isn't Avatar. Avatar only had three seasons.
im still watching it today!
We’re breaking out of prisons with this one!🗣️🔥🔥❗️
I feel like the Red Lotus gets unjustly underrated in TLA/LOK discussions. They were so crazy powerful that Aang made the White Lotus keep Korra on lockdown until they thought she was ready. Zaheer is my favorite character in either series. True believers are a scary thing.
Jude Miller underrated? have u seen LOK fan discussions? people LOVE zaheer and his partners...
Jude Miller Yeah The red lotus are the FUCKING best villains in the avatar series in my honest opinion. Next to Azula and Kuvira.
Most people think Season 3 was the best of Korra.
Not only that but their methods were beyond vicious. Their bending was beyond that of a master level, were willing to kill (the Earth Queen being their first victim) and their fighting was borderline brutal. The final fight against Zaheer and Korra was in my opinion the most savage not only because Korra was slowly being poisoned but Zaheer's mastery of airbending and flight made him a lethal foe. Not even Ozai was this brutal or powerful and he had a comet to enhance his strength; Zaheer had nothing but skill
Sorry, you said Aang made the White Lotus keep Korra on lockdown until they thought she was ready. Don't you mean Tenzin, Korra's dad and maybe Zuko?
Didn't they not know about the group until they first tried to kidnap Korra when she was a child?
Zaheer and his team, make this song give me chills.
Zaheer was definitely an enlightened guy. He was not particularly attached to anything after Pli's death.
He even don't hold any grudge against Korra and helps her later.
He definitely was NOT enlightened. Enlightened beings do not harm other living beings…. But Zaheer straight-up killed the Earth Queen and sent the Truth Seer to eternal damnation. He’s the opposite of enlightened
@@TheAmazingHoho576 huh? U can never judge enlightened beings. They are not bound by ur conditioned morals. They are not bound by rules. They are truly free.
Zaheer got enlightened after pli's death. He remembered the sutra of guru laghima and then he applied it on himself, and this time he fully experienced it as Pli, his final earthly attachment was no more..
And about enlightened beings, i have seen and heard of many types.
The thing about them is that even after enlightenment, they follow their usual lives normally, difference is just in their mind that now they wouldnt care about results.
@@TheAmazingHoho576 and dont know where ur logic even is. He got enlightened after pli's death and that was after killing earth queen.
And btw, earth queen deserved it lol.
@Madara Uchiha I don’t disagree with anything you said, except for your assertion that he was enlightened. He wasn’t. Being able to be unattached from the world and truly being enlightened are two different things.
For example, the Buddha. Siddhartha achieved enlightenment. And what did he teach? To “radiate boundless love to all living beings without restraint”. THAT is true enlightenment…. Spiritual advancement is the true indicator of if someone is enlightened or not.
The fact Zaheer mercilessly killed the queen and tortured Korra shows he wasn’t even close to being enlightened……
I personally loved that each one of the villians in each book of korra is actually the hero of their story. The only thing that made them villians was the fact that they took things to extremes instead of looking at how their actions would effect others around them. "Does the means justify the ends" is a quote that comes to mind when i think of all the villians in LOK
Ah yes, the "get rekt" theme that plays when Zaheeris educating fools and owning people.
"lol, let go urthly tether and get shrekt scrub."
the smile to the camera when you do something sick and badass theme. Like Ghaxan Ming Hua
This theme is ominous, yet epic with the beats, much lIku Zaheer himself.
Zaheer was a twisted philosopher and a hardcore villain
0:57 drums are epic
Zaheer is the Thanos of the Avatarverse: wise, bald, scary, fanatical, and buff
Agreed.
Not really fanatical.
He just accepted his defeat and even helped korra later.
He does kinda give off a Thanos like vibe to be honest.
don't compare the two... Zaheer has a coherent ideology and is actually intelligent and insightful as well as cunning and vicious. Thanos is just a run of the mill narcissist who believes in one of the most stupid ideologies ever, malthusianism, which has no basis in reality, instead it's based on eugenics and racism. There is more than enough resources in the world already, they are just kept from the people who need them by capitalists and monarchs. Thanos was a power hungry asshole who could talk slow and seem impressive. Zaheer was an actual intelligent person totally committed to his ideology.
Inevitable you might say.
This played at the epic scene where ghazan was breaking the wall of ba sing sa
I had shivers when I first seen that.
Red Lotus are my fav villains from TLOK!!
"Individually they can take down any bender, put them all together they can take down whole world"
-Lord Zuko
"Let to your earthly tether; enter the void. Empty, and become Wind."
Aang: "I refuse to kill!"
Red Lotus: "Well wouldn't that be nice"
This music....WHAT IS IT CALLED??? Everytime it comes on during a fight scene or an intense scene just omg. Shut up and take my money already I want it now. Someone please
Yes, we needs a soundtrack!
I'm calling it "The Special Benders" ^^
Check out u320017's channel for Red Lotus themes, he cuts them right out of the episodes. Love the Red Lotus's melody, very creepy yet badass.
The Red Louts was hands down the best villains in The last airbender and Korra combined. And I’m just going off the way they fight. When they fight in unison they are unstoppable. P’li was their main source of firepower. And combustion has a tiny window of opportunity where it can be taken out or neutralized. Zaheer was their second source of firepower. With his sturdy airbending he could keep the battle going if P’li were to go down. Then there is Ghazan. He uses his lava to create distance. His earth is mainly used for brute force, but his lava if for making distance. He doesn’t expect his lava to connect but his opponents can’t walk in la a so he can use it to get his enemies off of him. Then there is Ming Hua. She can do both offense and defense and her water arms give her more dexterity. She is the wild card. If needed she can use her octopus form to try and overpower the enemy if the team is lacking. But let’s talk about their role when fighting as one. P’li and Zaheer are for long distance and short distance attack respectively. Ghazan deals with creating distance for P’li and dealing with those who get close but aren’t close enough for Zaheer to deal with and Ming Hua is meant to cover P’li flanks so that window of opportunity is now closed and she’s a last resort too. Together they make the most dynamic group ever
My list of favorite LoK villains (from most favorite to least favorite):
1. Zaheer
2. Amon
3. Kuvira
4. Unalaq
Funny how you can see them
Raava - White Lotus
Vaatu - Red Lotus
"Let go your Earthly tether,
enter the Void,
empty and become Wind".
Zaheer...a legend of the Animation story ever
The action scenes of Red Lotus was by far the best in LOK
Best Villian Soundtrack ever, Should win awards, fits the series perfectly
Zahear is the Magneto of the avatar universe
When he moved through those gates
"That not a snowstorm... *It's him...* "
can we talk about how everyone in the red lotus is sexy... like damn
@Cicada exactly exactly
This is LITERALLY The Red Lotus theme song! And the theme song is BADASS!!
The song gets more menacing the more you slow it down
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Guru Lahima the tetherless?
No.
I figured, it's not a story the Avatar would tell you.
I got that reference
I love how ominous it sound at the beginning
I like the pacing. It's really good and builds the tension of this Book perfectly. I know there will be a lot of tension.
Great music, great plot, great villains and backstory. Good job book 3.
zaheer is the kind of villain you know u have to fight but actually would agree on about many topics
Zaheer saved the show for me. I hated book 2 and didn't even finish watching it. Than maybe a year later a friend kept saying: ''You have to watch book 3 its so good''. He was right I loved book 3 and in my opinion its the best season of the show. Zaheer deserves most of the credit because he was such an awesome villain.
RickeGnool Yeah most fans like book 2 the least and I do too. I agree with Zaheer being such an awesome villain him and his team had such great fight scenes and is part of the reason why book 3 is my favourite book. Have you seen book 4 it's really good too.
MattTheHuman Yeah I have seen it and its pretty good, but I have some problems with it. I don't really like Kuvira as a villain and I think the giant mecha suit was dumb. Loved the the final scene though.
RickeGnool Yeah I think they could've Kuvira more interesting, but I like how she planned every situation carefully.
MattTheHuman Atleast she is far from being as bad as Unalag.
RickeGnool That's definitely true.
This book is gonna be epic!!!
The book already came out. This is for the show
Oh sorry
It's ok xD
@@avaharry so was it good?
@@mekshis7497 So far, so good
Best book of all time in the Avatar universe. This book was stunning and so exciting to watch. Bending is also on another level.
“ YOU THINK FREEDOM is something that you can give or take on a whim. BUT TO YOUR PEOPLE. Freedom Is Just As Essential As AIR. And Without It.There Is No Life. There Is Only DARKNESS.
Ngl Zaheer had me so much convinced with his ideology that I started to get scared by my own train of thoughts that followed. He is wise, charming and with so much depth.
I'm probably gonna get hate for this, but I actually like LOK more than ATLA. They're both amazing shows, but LOK is less for kids and the plot twists are really cool! There are no filler episodes and I like Korra's badass attitude. I got so sad when I learned Aang and Sokka were dead in LOK, and I was kind of uncertain about how modern LOK was. But i learned to accept the change because honestly it's such a good show and I really enjoyed it
I also like LOK better.
I think that, while LOK is an amazing show, anything pales in comparison to ATLA, including LOK
@@brahmbougie6690 I still think LOK is better
diego g agree to disagree I guess
LOK book 1 and 3 is better only.
Book 2 is boring only the avatar wan part is good.
Book 4 is like only action
You know the drill, Zaheer
This music is simply phenomenal... Really encapsulates the viciousness of the Red Lotus. I can just picture the fight with Tenzin and the attempt to free P'Li every time I hear this. Simply amazing and inspiring... In a weird yet awesome way.
Sweetness and awesomeness
This music is just too amazing when you have your headphones on full volume , you can hear every single detail so clearly..
You can just feel the tension of being imminently overwhelmed.
Instinct is a lie told by a fearful body hoping to be wrong . It means when you base your expectations only on what you see ... You blind yourself to the possibilities .. of a new .. reality ... "
This ost has such a eerie and scary vibe to it, and it fits perfect. The Red Lotus were a group that every character from both franchises feared the most. The Gaang locked Korra up until she was almost an adult because of them. When Zuko is told that Zaheer is an air bender you can tell the fear he has of them. This theme captures that fear perfectly
Easily my favorite season of either series.
The Red Lotus were just amazing characters, and some of the most memorable.
Now to avoid spoilers for the next forever.
man I love this music so much, everything in this series is perfect.
This show is SO FUCKING GOOD
I think Zaheer might be my favorite villain from the Avatar franchise
New Red lotus:
Zaheer
Amon
Azula
Kuvira
I love theme because it just gives you this intense feeling that the times almost up
"Let go your earthly tether. Enter the void. Empty, and become wind." :)
Tenzen, Bumi and Kya. :((
That episode was a legitimate rollercoaster of emotion. If anything happens to Bumi, I'm rioting.
yea, Tenzen and Kya too. :((
Shahrul Kurt Adam If Tenzin dies... ;(
Lets hope episode 12 bring bright! :D
Shahrul Kurt Adam I really do want Tenzin to have survived. I don't normally argue with character deaths, but really, Tenzin dying is not the problem. Jenora, Ikki, and Milo losing a loving father IS the problem.
It sounds so awesome with the violins and violas in the background and drums. Nice job!
Guys, have you noticed that the symbol of ,his book is a red lotus and that the final episode is actually called "Venom of the red lotus."
You thought I commited suicide. Thats hilarious. Good thing those two teenagers left before I made my escape.
Enjoying tea right now.
Anyone 2024?
Here we are.
Yess
I want to be born into the avatar the last air bender more than anything as an air bender in one of the air temples and have a fresh new start at life
Sozin be like:
"Yep, enjoy"
i think this is honestly the most epic piece of music from legend of korra! that's just my opinion but also the villains are pretty awesome in this book!! i actually like them a lot!!
this is a really epic ost.. but I think the most epic ost would be "Jinora's light"
just finished watching season 3, this was amazing
I just played this on 5 different devices but I started it all at the same time. Chaos is order
I have a question: do you think Jet could have been a red lotus member?
Yes please
Jet would not go against the Avatar. But the ideology would fit his character.