Missing 411, Or Murdered By Moonshiners?

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  • Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
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    Way back in 1919, before the Great Smoky Mountains had a national park, a young boy by the name of Abe Lincoln Ramsey disappeared from his family's farm in Cosby, Tennessee. What happened next really depends on who you ask, and I have to say, this was one of the worst Missing 411 stories I've ever come across; not because it's strange, but because it's a remarkably bad account of the true story.
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    0:00 - Intro and Ad
    3:25 - The National Park Service
    8:27 - The Story of Abe Ramsey
    13:55 - What Really Happened
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  • @TheLoreLodge
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    • @JohnMacintyre-cl5nu
      @JohnMacintyre-cl5nu 25 днів тому

      I LOL WHEN DAVID POLIDUS IS INTRODUCED AS A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER!"" HE DOESNT MENTION HE WAS FIRED FROM THE POLICE SERVICE FOR STEALING CASE INFORMATION! THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU HEAR HIM TALK! LOL GBYAA!!!!!!!!!!

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    • @Digitalhunny
      @Digitalhunny 24 дні тому +1

      Shame on you! (Well, you or the YT Algorithm?) Hiding your _whole_ channel from me, for _this_ long?! But, HA! I found you, sub'ed you & now.... you'll *never* get rid of me. 😈😂😂😂

  • @garnetbelial
    @garnetbelial 26 днів тому +441

    "I assume if you're still here you want the history part" me nodding furiously.

    • @Milkman4279
      @Milkman4279 25 днів тому +3

      Lol, I skipped that

    • @toshabeans
      @toshabeans 25 днів тому +2

      Me also nodding furiously 😅 i didn't learn this kind of history in school so I'm learning it here lol

    • @curiouslyhigh
      @curiouslyhigh 24 дні тому +3

      This is the same reason why when they said they'd be doing more history stuff on another channel even though they're the even cooler cherry on top of an already cool, well-researched cake, I legitimately went "noo!" at my screen. Let the historian hist, guys!

    • @garnetbelial
      @garnetbelial 24 дні тому +2

      Absolutely, let the guys research and and present the historical stoofs. They're good at it.

    • @Witchofthewoods.
      @Witchofthewoods. 23 дні тому

      I just fast forwarded the beginning, or else I'd switch channels.

  • @lloydlloyd3236
    @lloydlloyd3236 26 днів тому +308

    "We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" That was really funny

  • @jackyp6712
    @jackyp6712 26 днів тому +240

    As the residential Michigander here, it's pronounced Mack-i-naw. I'll give you a pass on this one 😅

    • @sullyproductions5757
      @sullyproductions5757 25 днів тому +31

      I screamed in my head it’s Mackinaw

    • @xSwordLilyx
      @xSwordLilyx 25 днів тому +11

      Speaking of, I have to say it wrong in my head to spell it right. Btw fabulous desserts to be had in Mackinac city, particularly fudge and ice cream, and a 3rd great grandfather of mine was an oldest surviving resident of the Island, and played fiddle at the dances into his 70s.

    • @ravensclawtemplar
      @ravensclawtemplar 25 днів тому +14

      Came to the comments for this.

    • @SophSax
      @SophSax 25 днів тому +17

      Physically winced when I heard the pronunciation lol

    • @abcde_fz
      @abcde_fz 25 днів тому +5

      Thanx for simply explaining why I knew I had just heard something 'wrong', without knowing exactly what I had heard that _was_ 'wrong'. Nice to learn a little something now and then!

  • @SgtBuck01
    @SgtBuck01 25 днів тому +368

    A child witnessing moonshiners is like a chicken witnessing a murder in Skyrim.

    • @Kilthan2050
      @Kilthan2050 25 днів тому +33

      Both problems have the same solution, apparently…

    • @MrContemplation
      @MrContemplation 25 днів тому +41

      As someone who grew up in the hills with these men. They don’t shoot unless shot at, they run. See, you have to be caught with your hand in the cookie jar so to speak for the charges to hold up in court. So it’s better to run than stand and fight.

    • @sabrinastrong291
      @sabrinastrong291 25 днів тому +12

      @@MrContemplationliterally how NASCAR was created 😂

    • @Marynicole830
      @Marynicole830 25 днів тому +25

      @@MrContemplationyeah I don’t buy that moonshiners harmed a child. Not only are they not monsters but it would also bring more attention to the area, not less. Moonshiners basically just want to be left alone for the most part. Their product tastes good too, nothing like the commercial stuff. It will be clear as water but taste like the darkest whiskey. It’s great stuff when done properly. The commercial stuff tastes like straight vodka.
      I’ve had a lot of moonshiners in my family, I’m from the smokies and still live here. As long as you have desperation you will have people that find ways to support themselves, even if that means shinning or cooking.

    • @Marynicole830
      @Marynicole830 25 днів тому +21

      Some more info on the area now, This area is stricken with poverty and people relied on cheap booze to take them out of that reality for a while it made it themselves for some pocket money and to give out during holidays. Now days, the tourism seems to be making it worse, not better. Now instead of money not coming in, it just gets taken by the top players while the rest of us are priced out of our homes. At least when there was a lack of money in the economy the area was cheap to live in. The people that serve the tourism industry can’t feed or shelter their kids and social services are quick to tear families apart in this area when a water pump breaks or a storm blows down the shed. Need done time to buy a new pump or clean up the mess? Need a couple of days? Too bad. You lose your kids.
      If anyone cares, the mayor and governor really loves the tourism. If y’all tell them they’re doing a crap job, something might change. It would have to be a lot of people threatening to boycott the state but I’m sure after a while something would change. We are having a drug crisis now because of the same reason shining took off. People can’t support themselves.

  • @KibuFox
    @KibuFox 25 днів тому +84

    Short answer: Probably not.
    Longer answer: Moonshiners, even in the early days of the practice, were rather well known in their local communities. To the point that everyone and their brother in the community would know who was the moonshiners. Meaning that some rando kid wandering into a moonshiner's still, even if it's from someone outside of the community, wouldn't warrant a murder. What point would there be, from the moonshiner's perspective, of drawing even more attention to the surrounding area?

    • @Kywaterdawg71
      @Kywaterdawg71 24 дні тому +18

      Come to say much the same. Anyone thinking moonshining is some clandestine programming had obviously never been in the area one cooking. And as you said, the thought a three year old stumbling onto a shine operation and being murdered for it verges on absurd.

    • @KibuFox
      @KibuFox 19 днів тому

      @@Kywaterdawg71 Yeah. Honestly, if a kid had stumbled across the operation, then the moonshiners would be more likely to help the kid find their parents than do anything to them. Furthermore, no moonshiner 'buries' their mash underground. Though the average moonshiner at that time was lucky if they had an 8th grade education, they also weren't stupid by any means. Burying your mash would allow all manner of animals or other things to fall into the mash. That'd contaminate the mash, and destroy any future 'cook' you would have. It doesn't hurt matters that putting the mash in the ground would mess up the temperatures needed for it to ferment. Lastly, it's worth noting that after alcohol had been boiled off the mash, the corn that was left over wasn't simply thrown away. That corn would be fed to hogs or cattle. So again, putting it in the ground makes no sense, as then it'd just be more work to get it out into sacks to carry to use for feed. There is just so much wrong with that whole theory, that it sounds more like someone who had only a small amount of knowledge about moonshining, and they let their imagination run wild.

  • @AJOlaks
    @AJOlaks 26 днів тому +421

    potential moonshiner murder is not what I expected to be covered this week

    • @mere7583
      @mere7583 26 днів тому +13

      A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

    • @gubnillec
      @gubnillec 26 днів тому

      Half drunk rednecks in the woods getting trigger happy over " them revenues" would never happen. For clarification..I live in the deep South and ,"Florida man" syndrome is not Florida exclusive.

    • @Thasabird
      @Thasabird 25 днів тому +3

      I'm glad I like these older stories because the more new ones are just like what happened and it's sometimes not even solved

    • @kenziecarter9458
      @kenziecarter9458 25 днів тому

      @@ThasabirdThere’s plenty old unsolved ones too

    • @WardenWolf
      @WardenWolf 25 днів тому +1

      But there was no reason for them to do so. This was before prohibition (that started the next year). Their work was actually legal.

  • @CamBoone
    @CamBoone 26 днів тому +471

    Here in WNC, the question “have you or do you drink moonshine more than once a year” was legitimately used by physicians and practitioners to determine whether a patient may be a “problem drinker” or not. The logic being that no one would drink moonshine without their primary goal being intoxication. 😂

    • @Aaron-zu3xn
      @Aaron-zu3xn 26 днів тому +42

      it also lets us know to check other things like are you going blind,do you have heart disease,do you have a gastric issue,do you have hepatitis

    • @BlacksmithBets
      @BlacksmithBets 26 днів тому +19

      Lol as if people drink alcohol for any other reason

    • @hans-christianbauer5947
      @hans-christianbauer5947 26 днів тому +42

      @@BlacksmithBets Well, as a matter of fact, they do. There are ports, whiskey's and cognacs chosen to go with cigars for optimal flavour profile. Same goes with wines and food items. I was at a wine tasting once that paired wines with chocolates. Worked better than I thought.

    • @figment3242
      @figment3242 25 днів тому +15

      As close as 50 yrs ago the local sheriff or constable would take away moonshine from the distillers and donate/give small amounts to the the older folks, as moonshine was also considered an old time folk remedy or medicinal.

    • @williamraleigh7546
      @williamraleigh7546 25 днів тому +5

      Moonshine has led me to several alcohol induced mistakes. Alcoholism is a bitch, but there's nothing I can do about it 😂.

  • @audreyyork9633
    @audreyyork9633 26 днів тому +177

    It doesn't matter, really, but Aidan: rawboned (or raw-boned, or raw bone) is a descriptive word(s) meaning skinny, gaunt, or scrawny. So it's possible the source really did mean to type that about the dog.
    [Edited for clarity]

    • @RockinTheBassGuitar
      @RockinTheBassGuitar 25 днів тому +11

      Thank you! I was hoping someone else would notice that.

    • @cleanserene6330
      @cleanserene6330 24 дні тому +4

      Thank you! I've also seen that expression, usually as a less than flattering description ("a raw-boned woman") of a hard working, hard luck, hard done by denizen of the backwoods. It seemed entirely appropriate to location even if I've never heard a dog referred to that way. Did the dog have any other descriptors, to determine breed? Idr.

    • @audreyyork9633
      @audreyyork9633 24 дні тому +4

      @cleanserene6330 not that I can recall. I can imagine, being from a similar region myself, it was probably a mutt. I doubt they had a purebred anything. Not to say it's impossible. I just doubt it. So I could see the dog simply being described as scraggly, etc.

    • @marhawkman303
      @marhawkman303 24 дні тому +3

      @@cleanserene6330 Yeah, I don't think that source was trying to identify a BREED of dog, just describe appearance.

  • @mariettavol774
    @mariettavol774 26 днів тому +203

    The ol’ saying goes
    “Once two strangers climbed ol' Rocky Top
    Lookin' for a moonshine still
    Strangers ain't come down from Rocky Top
    Reckon they never will”
    Go Vols

    • @grimtea1715
      @grimtea1715 25 днів тому +4

      Roll tide

    • @gern7535
      @gern7535 25 днів тому +5

      How bout them Dawgs!!!

    • @Jim-Mc
      @Jim-Mc 25 днів тому +9

      As a Tennessean I believe it's healthy for outsiders to be reminded of this verse from time to time.😊

    • @morigahn
      @morigahn 25 днів тому +15

      Corn won't grow at all on Rocky Top
      Dirt's too rocky by far
      That's why all the folks on Rocky Top
      Get their corn from a jar

    • @garylefevers
      @garylefevers 25 днів тому +2

      Rocky Top Tennessee... Heck yeah. A favorite song as,well as favorite place to visit. Rock on.

  • @thatgoblin5739
    @thatgoblin5739 23 дні тому +18

    When you start out liking 411, but then slowly turn into it's archenemy. Best villain origin story ever.

  • @martinharris5017
    @martinharris5017 25 днів тому +37

    It's always refreshing to find a channel that doesn't thrive on sensationalism. Thanks for continuing to demystify and "de-bigfootize" these cases. I never miss an episode.

  • @phlieganator1972
    @phlieganator1972 25 днів тому +33

    Two things, It struck me as weird that a 3 year old would go off looking for the dog after it hadn't returned for a while, toddlers seem to live more in the moment so chasing it as it ran would make sense but i don't think they have the capacity yet to say "hmm the dog has been missing a while I should go find him." However the fact that he was following his siblings makes alot of sense in the regard. Anyway second thing please tell me we're getting"Bigfussy" shirts

  • @lynnem5949
    @lynnem5949 26 днів тому +39

    Rawboned in refernece to the dog means it was bony, not well-fed

  • @randallsavage13
    @randallsavage13 25 днів тому +73

    David wants there to be more to a story than there actually is. Because most of the time the boring non spooky true doesn’t get the attention that something strange does

    • @maemccleary3283
      @maemccleary3283 19 днів тому +4

      Which is truly a shame. It takes away from the few cases that are truly mysterious, and his credibility. Additionally even if it's not Bigfoot many are still fascinating stories.

    • @ralcogaming7674
      @ralcogaming7674 5 днів тому

      ​@@maemccleary3283 I can understand his motivation to sensationalize these stories. It gets these missing persons cases back in the public eye and leads to the public asking more questions. Don't misunderstand I do think some of these cases are very strange on the surface and only get stranger as you dig deeper. I'm in a weird place with the supernatural or even cryptids. I want it to be real but I also want proof and I mean good proof. I've seen my share of things and heard stories from trusted sources (I'm from Missouri for reference) but that doesn't mean I'm going to believe every idiot who claims there's skin walkers on their ranch and the best evidence we get is "bro trust me" or pictures of flashlight beams.

    • @MakeCaliNiceAgain
      @MakeCaliNiceAgain 4 дні тому

      It has nothing to do with attention. He deeply cares about the missing. That said, he does put too much stock in witness statements, he likes to think that if the cops aren't investigating someone as being involved, then they aren't involved. I don't believe that, I think everyone is a suspect until the truth comes out. There are a lot of cases though, that can't be explained at all and make no sense. Including a LOT of credible UFO sightings.

    • @conveyor2
      @conveyor2 День тому

      @@maemccleary3283 Paulides has never suggested BF as a cause.

  • @greypolar2720
    @greypolar2720 26 днів тому +56

    "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference."

  • @Trivial_Whim
    @Trivial_Whim 25 днів тому +21

    The “my shot killed him” thing is psychologically. It’s a guilty thing, not a logic one.

  • @Eon_Black
    @Eon_Black 26 днів тому +128

    UA-cam randomly recommended a killdozer video to me about an hour ago, and now I am subscribed and waiting for a premiere. Good stuff!

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      @Bert-lw1ot 26 днів тому +11

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      @coffeeandcupcakes7310 25 днів тому +4

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    • @anthonydesisto2328
      @anthonydesisto2328 16 днів тому +2

      Fell into the same trap😅

  • @tonyfroman4382
    @tonyfroman4382 25 днів тому +49

    Moonshine and moonshine distilling equipment? I believe you mean he sold Moonshine and Moonshine Accessories

  • @mellowyello9797
    @mellowyello9797 26 днів тому +29

    Live on the same Reservation as Sully’s Hill, ND, Now known as White Horse Hill. There’s a lot of ongoing missing person cases in our community that I think would interest you. Your indigenous history sections surprised me, when I first started watching your channel. Have been an avid viewer for months, never left a comment. Thank you for keeping up you and your team’s amazing work.

  • @jimpemberton
    @jimpemberton 26 днів тому +29

    I was interested in Paulides' material, but it didn't take too long to see his subtext and pick up on how he was coloring his stories to fit his conclusions. So he's helpful for some of the research that he's done, but you have to take it with a grain of salt.

  • @randallsavage13
    @randallsavage13 25 днів тому +25

    Moon shine mixed with powdered country time lemonade is a good way to drink some shine ✨we call it shineade

    • @jond661
      @jond661 24 дні тому +2

      Juice a watermelon and mix the juice half and half with some good white shine

  • @CandiceLemonSharks
    @CandiceLemonSharks 26 днів тому +60

    Some thoughts on cause of death, least important aspect of the case. I'm happy to provide citations if anyone wants to go down the spider/snake/poison rabbit hole after me.
    There aren't really spider species with medically significant venom in that area-particularly not ones which are inclined to bite.
    What does track for cause of death would be a snake bite, of which there are several very well camouflaged and quite defensive species hanging out. Some of those species share characteristics and behavior with snake species that are safe (enough) to bother.
    There are plenty of attractive looking plants and fungi which show up in the smokies as well, including some species which are safe to eat cooked but not raw-a differentiation a hungry toddler might not make on his own.
    (This has been your weekly engagement comment by me, brought to you by creepy crawly enjoyers against spider slander.)

    • @CandiceLemonSharks
      @CandiceLemonSharks 26 днів тому +13

      P.s. I would love to see UA-camr KyleHatesHiking on the podcast. He does similar videos, but focused on missing, uh, hikers.

    • @williamraleigh7546
      @williamraleigh7546 25 днів тому +1

      ​@CandiceLemonShahe besmirches the names of those who were lost on the trails. Better if he stays off. rks

    • @tomeeshahaller4226
      @tomeeshahaller4226 25 днів тому +3

      @williamraleigh7546 How does he besmirch their names?

    • @sandrafreeman515
      @sandrafreeman515 24 дні тому

      Black widows have a very dangerous bite that is very toxic to humans, especially children. Their toxin can cause seizures in children which usually occur just before death. Since he was only 3, a black widow bite could have caused his death especially since he was in a hollow log which is a favorite living place for black widows as well as snakes.

    • @KaileyB616
      @KaileyB616 15 днів тому

      When you say "in that area", where exactly do you mean? Because I live about an hour from the mountains in NC, and there's black widow and brown recluse spiders for sure. Somebody I know who worked doing landscaping was bitten by a spider while at work, and subsequently died a few days later in the hospital.

  • @njunderground82
    @njunderground82 25 днів тому +16

    "We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" 😂🤣

  • @rogerray7820
    @rogerray7820 24 дні тому +7

    I grew up in the Smokies so far back in the woods we didn't get the Saturday Night Grand Ole Opry until Tuesday morning. Your break down was great with the exception of the spider bite. Most likely a snake bite. March sees snakes out sunning themselves during the day and will find a warm spot(hollow log) in the evening and night. In my 70 years in these hills I've never seen a spider of any kind that could kill even a small rodent much less a healthy 3 year old. Keep up the good work, I really enjoy your vids.

  • @inkynewt
    @inkynewt 26 днів тому +73

    When I was illegally working in a liquor store at 15, I knew a guy who made artisinal moonshine.

    • @felixjones9198
      @felixjones9198 26 днів тому +15

      I'm a winemaker, I know heaps of guys who make it. Some are more "artisanal" than others, however 😂

    • @settame1
      @settame1 26 днів тому +11

      In Kentucky. It’s all over the place here.

    • @thespider7898
      @thespider7898 20 днів тому +2

      It can be a pretty neat hobby, some people want to make exactly the drink they want rather than looking for something close at the store.

  • @magiccookie22
    @magiccookie22 22 дні тому +4

    I participated in a field research class in the Cosby area of Tennessee so from an ecology perspective I can offer a bit of context. Venomous spiders in this region are way more rare than people think-- especially in March. March can get very cold, and most cold-blooded animals in this climate overwinter one way or another. Spiders seek warmth in places like sheds so you're much more likely to face them on a homestead than out in the wilderness at this time. There is the case for venomous snakes like diamond backs, but they are likewise going to brumate unless its an especially warm March. They recommend inexperienced hikers of the smokies come at latest mid May because that is when venomous snakes start to emerge from brumation. That isn't to say spiders and snakes don't exist in March they most definitely do, but they're going to be sluggish. A noisy three year old is not likely to catch any of these animals by surprise nor are they likely to capture the animal in much a situation where biting is its first response. Its still very possible, especially since he was found in a log where these critters might be hiding. But losing little Abe to exposure is significantly more likely.

  • @clonegeek3317
    @clonegeek3317 26 днів тому +65

    I like this episode because its able to deconstruct the narrative and reveal that the traditional story is just an old wives tale

  • @estherjamack7717
    @estherjamack7717 24 дні тому +5

    Thank you for your research. I’m always skeptical when someone repeats a Paulides story. He seems to omit a lot of information in his story telling.

  • @Vautour1776
    @Vautour1776 26 днів тому +21

    That opening line is gold.

  • @amrielbang
    @amrielbang 24 дні тому +4

    I feel like David probably vets his sources when they don't say anything that helps fit his narrative and then let's it slide when sketchy sources do say things to fit his narrative.
    He seems like that kind of dude.
    Anyways, great video as always. ❤

  • @user-so9qk1nf4t
    @user-so9qk1nf4t 25 днів тому +19

    "The toddler put on his coat, leaving around three." So, a toddler just walks out of the house, like he is a college kid, and adults don't know.
    OK. .....Neglect is so often behind the missing kids cases.

  • @waywornwyrm8135
    @waywornwyrm8135 25 днів тому +11

    That pronunciation of Mackinac. It is much closer to Mack-in-awe

    • @Felicat82
      @Felicat82 25 днів тому

      It is, my dad is from Michigan and I visited my grandmother there as a young child.

  • @forgingluck
    @forgingluck 26 днів тому +20

    Snake is more likely than spider imo.
    Great video

    • @NicoleB-ev9vc
      @NicoleB-ev9vc 25 днів тому +6

      Was going to say Timber Rattler or Copperhead more likely. It could also explain the dogs behavior...the dog might have also gotten bit.

  • @chadro_g1145
    @chadro_g1145 23 дні тому +2

    As a local to the area I can say this… contact the Sevier and/or Cocke county library. Sevier county’s has a lot of online resources and are always willing to help. Try the Mountain Press, Sevier county’s newspaper or the Knoxville News Sentinel which is the largest in the area and based out of Knox county. The Knox county library may have papers older than the sentinel.
    Lastly, the area of Cosby could swallow half the world today and people would never be found. Back then it would be far worse, but the people, even kids, would have been FAR more capable than 99.9% of people are today when it comes to survival and navigating the land.

  • @TheBeardedAssassin-bd7yt
    @TheBeardedAssassin-bd7yt 26 днів тому +41

    As a Michigander hearing mackinack hurts.

    • @CodyHomes
      @CodyHomes 25 днів тому

      So, how is pronounced? I also experience pain as an Oregonian with a silent e when certain words are mispronounced.

    • @SixtusFlorentinus
      @SixtusFlorentinus 25 днів тому +4

      @@CodyHomes Macinaw (as in gnaw)

    • @soulnom7968
      @soulnom7968 25 днів тому +2

      As a Wisconsinite, i cringed as soon as I heard that.

    • @teabroncfan
      @teabroncfan 25 днів тому +1

      As a Texan who's been to Mackinac Island Island a couple of times I cringed too. Lol.
      We watched another guy. Nukes Top 5 and swear he screws names up on purpose so people like us come to the comments and comment. Lol

    • @Corny_Andy
      @Corny_Andy 24 дні тому

      Me too I can't stop cringing over it😅

  • @b00gdabear65
    @b00gdabear65 26 днів тому +7

    I don't believe that Lore Daddy Attis really hates David Paulidis all that much. I feel like you just gets frustrated that he did a little bit of digging but then didn't verify what he dug up and is trying to show that with a little bit of extra time you can verify what could be truth and what could be false claims

  • @windangel7720
    @windangel7720 25 днів тому +7

    You ought to write your own book on these disappearances with the info you discovered. Poor little Abe. 😢
    Every article I've read and video I have watched on Trenny mentioned Simpson, even going so far as to say that Trenny's comb, that she carried everywhere, was found in his car. Also, I found out that star sapphire ring and matching pendant were gifts (from her parents?) and were found to be in the possession of a female classmate who never returned them to her parents. Trenny's case has left me completely confused by the contradictory information to the point that now I am wondering if she even existed at all.

  • @scallopohare9431
    @scallopohare9431 25 днів тому +4

    Stock car racing began with running moonshine. 😂.

  • @reedtassell4847
    @reedtassell4847 26 днів тому +12

    5:06 pronounced mack-in-aw. Sincerely, somebody from Michigan. (The city is spelled correctly, idk what happened when they named the island)

  • @Paradox_Incognito
    @Paradox_Incognito 26 днів тому +54

    The fr*nch naming conventions strike back in today's episode's Michigan lore mention

    • @scallopohare9431
      @scallopohare9431 25 днів тому +4

      Greeting from Grand Ledge, MI. The Grand River is down the hill from my house. We pronounce the county seat as "Shar LOT," not the more Southern "SHAW lut."

    • @ainebooth9528
      @ainebooth9528 25 днів тому +4

      greetings from lansing michigan, not far from grand ledge- i always love telling ppl about the small town of pompeii, which is unfortunately pronounced locally as "pompy-eye"

    • @thenegoti8r989
      @thenegoti8r989 25 днів тому +3

      Greetings from Zeeland Michigan. What’s up? All the old Dutch people in Michigan live around here.

    • @YoungLiam74
      @YoungLiam74 25 днів тому +3

      got a chuckle out of that as a yooper

    • @kmcp19
      @kmcp19 25 днів тому +4

      The collective Michigander eye twitch at "Mack-in-ack"...

  • @faiyoake
    @faiyoake 26 днів тому +10

    Even if the older stories have little evidence or documentation it’s still fun to hear them deconstructed

  • @KharonDeLune_vtb
    @KharonDeLune_vtb 24 дні тому +9

    I feel like this format - giving the David Paulides (sp?) version of the story before going and dissecting it - actually suits the topic quite well. It starts with how the story was presented as a Missing 411 case, what got it presented in that way, then discusses whether it does or does not truly belong

    • @deerichardz
      @deerichardz 24 дні тому +2

      You'd like Zealous Beast as well. That's exactly what he does.

    • @KharonDeLune_vtb
      @KharonDeLune_vtb 24 дні тому

      @@deerichardz Thanks for the recommendation!

  • @HarrowsThoms
    @HarrowsThoms 25 днів тому +14

    Aiden: please don't make more cases
    Me, already covered in barbecue sauce and lounging in front of a bear den: oh, *now* you say something?

  • @TimFaulkner-qb5kl
    @TimFaulkner-qb5kl 25 днів тому +5

    I fail to believe moonshiners would hurt a 3year old local boy. The dog under the porch leads me to believe a animal is responsible for this disappearance

    • @athanksgivingbaby570
      @athanksgivingbaby570 25 днів тому

      @timfaulkner- Me too. Especially since a 3 yr old can't give evidence even if he recognized what he saw and the Feds weren't really involved in the search. It's highly likely that most of the locals benefited, in one way or another, from the moonshine trade and would likely just tell the boy to hush if he did say anything. No need for murder.

  • @Y2KNW
    @Y2KNW 26 днів тому +5

    I found out after my dad's funeral that grandpa had been a moonshiner, his grandfather before that, and that some of my aunts, uncles, and cousins took up the family hobby. Seems like maybe I missed out on a grand tradition.

  • @Kepesk
    @Kepesk 22 дні тому +3

    This series has become "Fact checking David Paulides." And I'm here for it.

  • @khaychi
    @khaychi 25 днів тому +13

    B-But muh Bigfoot!
    *-David Paulides, probably*

    • @conveyor2
      @conveyor2 День тому

      You must be brand new to all of this. Paulides has never suggested bigfoot.

  • @AbigailG24
    @AbigailG24 25 днів тому +3

    love when you rip apart bad research! so relieved to have the history section back! so sad for Abe

  • @JuliusSqueezer110
    @JuliusSqueezer110 26 днів тому +21

    Took the Feds six years to find Eric rudolf

    • @georgiafan775
      @georgiafan775 25 днів тому +4

      America's hide and seek champion

    • @JuliusSqueezer110
      @JuliusSqueezer110 25 днів тому

      lol
      Easy now to find him in ADX Florence 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @gern7535
      @gern7535 25 днів тому +5

      Feds didn't catch him. Local cop did.

    • @michaelhowell2326
      @michaelhowell2326 24 дні тому

      ​@@gern7535I was going to say the same thing, and that was totally on accident.

  • @dartmart9263
    @dartmart9263 23 дні тому +2

    Putting parks under the jurisdiction of the Department of Agriculture doesn’t make much sense today.
    But, back then when there were so few few parks, it probably prevented duplication of early environmental studies, such as hydrology, soil composition and other analyses.

  • @jeffbybee5207
    @jeffbybee5207 25 днів тому +2

    I find the idea of moonshiner's firing at a sound very strange. Know your target and dont waste a shot

  • @unwillingfurry9452
    @unwillingfurry9452 22 дні тому

    Aiden, your cold opens always get the exact same reaction out of me, every time I purse my lips, smirk, and pull my chin to the left xD

  • @CPC941
    @CPC941 25 днів тому +1

    I personally liked the format. I have only recently discovered your channel and find your story telling extremely fascinating. you do an amazing job breaking down each case and your attention to detail is spot on. FYI going into the "history lessons" is one of the best parts of your story telling.

  • @ventusvindictus
    @ventusvindictus 25 днів тому

    Love y'all's work! It is exciting to see how the channel has grown over the years.

  • @jamieryman
    @jamieryman 25 днів тому +4

    I'm with you on DP & going from impressed to suspect 🤔

  • @michaelcornwall
    @michaelcornwall 14 днів тому

    I love your videos, such good research, and like i love how you embrace nerding out, you have to, and you're so polite and professional like politely asking to skip the history section. I think it's one of the coolest things about your videos.
    I am from stl, I've actually worked on Grant's farm as in at one time Ulysses s Grant's farm, so many beautiful animals, many just roaming not all caged up.
    Keep up the great work and research Aidens!
    Lastly my only take on factor is I've loved what I've tried from there, i just think it's funny the thought of a man lonely eating a microwaved tv dinner for any meal you were living a very sad and lonely life, but now it's considered hip and cool, i love the story arc of microwavable meals lol

  • @michaelcarmichiel5804
    @michaelcarmichiel5804 25 днів тому +1

    Very interesting as always gentlemen. Please continue these as the information you share is so important. Was not expecting to hear a possible relative mentioned - maternal great grandmother was named Christie and originally from Appalachian area. Lol. Thanks again.

  • @LunaAMorticia
    @LunaAMorticia 25 днів тому +2

    We're currently staying in The Cairngorms National Park in Scotland, and I've been really enjoying listening to these videos while getting ready/winding down for the day. Glad I came across the channel! 😄

    • @charissimpson235
      @charissimpson235 25 днів тому +3

      Hope you’re enjoying it! The cairngorms I believe are also originally part of the same mountain complex that the appalchians were before continental shift! We actually have some similar stories in areas like the Cairngorms (I think the grey man of macdui specifically in the cairngorms)

    • @LunaAMorticia
      @LunaAMorticia 25 днів тому +2

      ​@@charissimpson235 Ah yeah, the Great Grey Man! We're hoping to get up Ben Macdui, if the weather allows 😄

  • @fabamb9801
    @fabamb9801 24 дні тому +1

    congrats yall finally got to 500k subs sooo happy for u guys ....keep up the awesome work

  • @junkyardsearcher6407
    @junkyardsearcher6407 21 день тому

    This video was great, thank you for all of the information!

  • @consistentlystupid4726
    @consistentlystupid4726 16 днів тому +1

    The idea of the Moonshiners opening fire in the direction of sounds they hear is very funny to me. Unless these guys are shooting their guns 24/7, I doubt they're just shooting at random noises they hear in the woods.

  • @doopy85
    @doopy85 23 дні тому

    Thank you very much for all the hard work you do! Keep goin man.

  • @michaelp4834
    @michaelp4834 25 днів тому +1

    Great work, as always, gentlemen!

  • @thespider7898
    @thespider7898 20 днів тому +2

    Shine can be good or it can be bad, it also depends what you're trying to make. A lot of people are essentially making everclear, which has no character. Homemade doesn't mean bad.

  • @LordPhoton-rl4ot
    @LordPhoton-rl4ot 25 днів тому +4

    Funny how some one who got into this out of pure curiosity seems to do way more vetting of the facts than an ex cop/detective. I forget if he was detective or just a normal beat cop but either way. You'd think he'd know how important checking up on sources and running everything down either way. So honestly the reason I got into your content so much is because you do some of the most in depth source checking out of pretty much any one else on youtube. Same reason I stopped watching Nerdrotic's woo woo content because they literally do zero fact checking. So good on you brother keep it up, hard work yields the best results.

    • @ryanbrown4053
      @ryanbrown4053 22 дні тому

      Definitely makes me question Paulides' detective career if he was a detective. How many innocent people are in jail or criminals walked free because he sucks at his job

  • @armphidiic2609
    @armphidiic2609 25 днів тому

    Good coverage on this story; it's not one that I've heard before. Thank you! I also enjoyed the history section.

  • @Ryo7_7
    @Ryo7_7 26 днів тому +3

    Your research and breakdown is awesome. Dig the music too. 👍

  • @pablowentscobar
    @pablowentscobar 25 днів тому +3

    You should name your line of Bunker Branding "Debunker Branding"

  • @KnitWitch
    @KnitWitch 25 днів тому

    Love today's format!

  • @HollyAnnaDavidson
    @HollyAnnaDavidson 25 днів тому +1

    Thank you for the great content!

  • @Black_Heart_Defense
    @Black_Heart_Defense 25 днів тому

    Great video guys, keep up the hard work!

  • @mrspriss09
    @mrspriss09 25 днів тому

    I love you and these videos! Can’t wait for the merch. Im an amateur research sleuth myself and spend my days researching unsolved murders. It’s my passion :) and these videos are like crack for me ha ha

  • @colleenzeltner3427
    @colleenzeltner3427 26 днів тому +1

    Keep up the great work ✌🏻... Philly love

  • @TristanandtheMinions
    @TristanandtheMinions 25 днів тому +1

    Glad to see the history segment return

  • @KonwTheTrut
    @KonwTheTrut 25 днів тому

    Loving your content brother.

  • @mecahhannah
    @mecahhannah 12 днів тому

    ❤ Awesome as always thanks guys always enjoy the history segment it's my favorite!

  • @VeryDryBones
    @VeryDryBones 23 дні тому +1

    Very interesting that this video has some sources listed and not a lot of older videos.

  • @corning1
    @corning1 23 дні тому

    I don’t really watch you anymore but congrats on 500k! Insane.

  • @Brianfailedgot2keepontruckin
    @Brianfailedgot2keepontruckin 26 днів тому

    I have come to really look forward to new Lore Lodge videos. I'm tired of rewatching all the old one 😂

  • @staceyn2541
    @staceyn2541 25 днів тому +2

    I have so many issues with the missing 411 mindset . It is absolutely strange that disappearances and deaths in the national parks aren't bigger stories. There are definitely mysterious circumstances. However, DP manipulates evidence, omits pertinent facts, and relies on case retellings rather than primary sources. Even newspapers should be considered faulty sources. Police reports are more reliable. DP''s stories are little better than fantasy and wish fulfillment. Scary stories to tell by a campfire, at best. Leaving out that the missing biy was found is not an oversight or negligence, it is blatant deception to further his agenda.

  • @TheUncleRuckus
    @TheUncleRuckus 25 днів тому +2

    What?! David Paulides adding or leaving out information nooooooooooo you must me mistaken 🤣🤣

  • @jcdenton6074
    @jcdenton6074 24 дні тому +2

    I agree with you about Paulides, he doesn't invent evidence but he frequently hyperfocuses on specific points which he is clearly using to misdirect readers. That's as good as lying, in my book. The way he interfered with the DeOrr Kunz case is especially evil.

  • @sandrafreeman515
    @sandrafreeman515 24 дні тому +2

    Well, he could have gotten stuck in the log and suffocated or a snake could have bitten him. Fallen logs, hollow or otherwise, are places that snakes like to congregate around.

  • @chrisofthehoovers4055
    @chrisofthehoovers4055 12 днів тому

    I love the history segments, it was always my favorite topic in school.

  • @user-mp9rd4hg8b
    @user-mp9rd4hg8b 18 днів тому +3

    I used to be a Dave fan also. In fact I bought 6 of his books. Then I saw that he included cases that were clearly not of the "missing 411" type and could easily be explained. The last straw was when he constantly says he is being shadow banned and demonitized and when I commented to let him know there were ads in his videos and he might want to check on that, he bans me from his channel. I think the guy is dishonest and has been drinking his own Kool-Aid for too long..

    • @deerichardz
      @deerichardz 16 днів тому +2

      The last few times I browsed through his comment section, he seemed hell-bent on pointing out all the subscribers that claimed they were unsubbed from his channel. Some even stated they were getting notifications, but were unsubbed, which is impossible I do believe.

  • @kieran2221
    @kieran2221 25 днів тому

    Honestly, I was wondering where the history segments of the videos had gone - I'm very glad they have made a triumphant return!

  • @gubnillec
    @gubnillec 26 днів тому

    Finally..was missing the lore from lore lodgr👏👏👏

  • @alphooey
    @alphooey 25 днів тому +2

    David P and various other commentators should really look at applying Occam's Razor concept.

  • @jlhanes
    @jlhanes 25 днів тому +1

    I absolutely love the history segment!

    • @jlhanes
      @jlhanes 25 днів тому +1

      ...In all your videos, not just this one.

  • @rebeccamichelle5500
    @rebeccamichelle5500 23 дні тому

    Cosby native here! Crazy to see our little town on your page!!

  • @jonathancrosby1583
    @jonathancrosby1583 25 днів тому

    Aden don't apologize for the slightly different vid just keep cooking my dude

  • @triggercrysisjames142
    @triggercrysisjames142 26 днів тому

    I literally discovered this channel from the Unsubscribe Podcast.
    Upon looking, I watched the Killdozer video a week ago.
    However, after watching these guys on Unsubscribe, I'm absolutely subscribed now!

  • @tater82
    @tater82 25 днів тому

    A guy in Gatlinburg looked just like you this week!!!
    Oh wow didn’t expect the story to be about Tennessee, I had my message typed before you started.

  • @gottabe884
    @gottabe884 25 днів тому +1

    My great grandpa and some of his friends moonshined a few summers up in the Sioux City area. They decided it was too much work after like the fourth summer and quit.

  • @aly6959
    @aly6959 25 днів тому

    I love the video! There is one little bit that is absolutely killing me though: Mackinac is pronounced mack-in-AW, not mack-in-ack!

  • @kintustis
    @kintustis 24 дні тому +1

    the history segment is basically why i watch

  • @Mark-nh2hs
    @Mark-nh2hs 11 днів тому

    Love your videos esp the history parts as I live in the UK, indigenous American history and the formation of the parks etc is all new to many of us and find it fascinating.

  • @hawkfalconbirdman3804
    @hawkfalconbirdman3804 24 дні тому +2

    I did, in fact, want to see the history segment

  • @bretwill9417
    @bretwill9417 24 дні тому +3

    A sal with cubs is not afraid of dogs or people and will fight aggressively

    • @ClintonBeaver-dc4mj
      @ClintonBeaver-dc4mj 23 дні тому +1

      It happened in March so that gives reasonable cause. January the Cubs are born around March or April sow and cubs would be outside.A three year old might just walk right up to a cub.