Teenage girl needs to pee, doesn't want to seem gross to her friends or be teased forever, steps far enough off the trail that her friends are definitely not going to see her. Gets lost. Makes it to the road, decides to hitchhike home.
That's what I was thinking. She seemed in a hurry to the other kids that saw her, bent over, and took a sharp right into a dense wooded area. There was a bathroom emergency.
My thoughts exactly, ngl to me it seems kind of obvious what happened. Idk why this guy says he thinks she tried to meet with an older boy. First off any research would tell you the field trip was 'suprise' so the students didnt know where they were going till get got there. Secondly if she was trying to go missing, this would be the last place you would do it, there was no gaurentee that the group she was would need to stop, she would just do it on the way to / home from work or school
my hypothesis is that she somehow got lost, found the road, asked a driver for a ride back to the parking lot , but was abducted. this story still doesn’t make a lot of sense tho. also, i find it kinda wild that the school would allow them to go on this trail when three young people had gone missing and not found alive on that trail in the past seven years. or maybe i’m just too cautious when it comes to safety lol
Ehh back in this time they didn’t care about safety. There’s so many different stories it’s hard to know what to believe. Got a guy saying he saw a girl crying walking down the road but no girl ever found, kids saying she went off trail up ahead of them after they stopped but it was heavily dense forest and big downhill slope, so many different accounts. I just don’t understand why she would go off trail and if she didn’t go off trail it seems like they weren’t very far from the parking lot and would have found it and wouldn’t have tried cutting through some dense trees to try and take a shortcut. None of it makes any sense. I think most likely somehow she got lost, got to the road and then got kidnapped… unless there’s some deep hole she fell in somewhere so her body was never found.
@@davidbiagi2932 a plausible reason for her to go off trail, and deeper into the woods than many are anticipating, would be because she needed to pee. Teenage girls especially would make sure to be fully out of sight of her peers than most boys or men would. Depending on her sense of direction she could easily have misremembered the way back to the trail and got lost, and had just been missed by search parties.
This has always been my assumption - either that or the guy that was interested in her (who also had possession of jewelry she was allegedly wearing at the time of her vanishing and later gave it to his GF, who refused to give it back to the family?)
The school probably didn't even know about the other disappearances. There was no internet and if it wasn't talked about on the local news or radio recently in that schools county, there isn't really reason anyone at the school would remember the cases. Stuff was way more local back then, it was easy to not hear about things going on across your state let along nationally, unless it was like big national news.
i feel like we really glossed over the boy who tried to break in to “see” her and then said he was gonna kill her??? not even to say that he for sure did it… but like wtf
I worked at a pizza shop with bobbi back in 2016! Shes a super nice lady. This day still very much haunts her. She told me about this when we worked together and she still wonders what happened. She said it didn't make sense, and she shouldn't have been able to just disappear like that.
8:47 super appreciate the walking markers to show where searches are going along trails... just saying going north along xyz trail doesn't help the imagination..having visuals along trails is just perfect thank younfor the effort!❤
As someone who had horrible bowel issues, i can see where shed need to get off the trail asap and tried to be sly or tried to hide that fact by making it seem like she was going to do something else. Not sure what would have happened after that, but whoo does bathroom emergencies and self consciousness make you do strange things.
I’ve been waiting legit watched all your stuff over the past week. Can’t get enough of it. Highly considering joining your patreon would be the first time I’ve ever done that.
I’ve been doing the same, I also just joined the patreon. I joined one of the higher tiers but the lower tiers are just as good. Not as much on it recently but I’d still say it’s a good idea if you afford it and want to support them. Some great content on there too!
Love your visual aids added in on your maps. I use to have to stress over rewatching some sections to understand the narrative onto the maps you display. Please keep doing this, muchly appreciated.
omg! I saw this thumbnail like 5x on my feed and kept thinking Trenny...App Trail..I guess he's another missing 411..but I kept feeling like I needed to watch..then I remembered it's the girl Trenny! Aww so glad you're on this one! I know this one! I was just drawing a blank. I was on Namus for hours last night and you're not kidding about the missing people in the 1970's...there's so many Jane Does..stil unsolved from then.
Buncombe County - Buncombe is pronounced bun-come, with the 'n' being short and hard, and the last part is like 'come' not like a 'comb.' 😁 We are going to need an Appalachian English course on duo-lingo...
@@RoMaRobMarq this is true! Funniest mispronunciation yet that I've seen on UA-cam is Nantahala. No one from outside of the area can say it straight. All I can say is watch out for dem haints in dem hollers, Daddy done told me, less you wind up with a pump knot on your head trying to skeedaddle away from 'em. 😆
I think what would make this even better is if it had a link to all the sources in the video for the general public to view. not having it behind a paywall would give people a much better view of your character.
to all the people criticizing you for criticizing Palides: "where there's smoke, there's fire." If Palides wasn't DESERVING of criticism, these guys wouldn't have such an easy time doing it. Palides absolutely, demonstrably editorializes and sensationalizes his stories if not by fabrication, then certainly by omission. Maybe stop putting blind faith in people with clear profit motives.
It's funny that people think your videos are Palides hit pieces... Kind of goes to show that maybe, just maybe, Palides isn't a very credible source of information. I can't hate the guy since Missing 411 content intrigues me and he was the one who started it, but I'll never go to Palides if I'm looking for anything more than a creepypasta...
at best, Paulides is a very misinformed person that gained some celebrity and in trying to hang onto it, has become a grifter. at worst, Paulides has always been a grifter and has always knowingly withheld relevant info or put out false info. neither option is great...
Kidnapping is a big problem around that area, that’s how I lost my grandmother. My guess is she tried to hitchhike, which is a grave mistake in that region.
Good analysis. I like your conclusion. This would be a tough, if not impossible, answer to swallow for most. It's easier to see someone as a victim if the demised had no part in their own tragic outcome.
Lexington Tn. is really close to Natchez Trace, another state park. It has 3 camping areas now, and all have bath houses. 40 goes from Arkansas to N. Carolina.
while I agree that her getting into a car seems the most plausible explanation it's hard for me to imagine her leaving her life behind deliberately and not ever contacting her parents; even if her home life wasn't perfect, by all accounts she was close to her immediate family...with that being said this case has fascinated me for years and, unfortunately, we may never know what happened to Trenny...great research and summation, I've watched a number of discussions on this case and the LL is definitely one of the best
It's probably bc we see young ones as innocent, a full life ahead of them. Death is always sad, but a young life snuffed out before it began is simply tragic.
Life long Sevier or Blount county resident here. You are 100% correct on what is referred to as the “Y”, or Wye. The name comes from the design of the intersection of Hwy 321 or East Lamar Alexander Parkway, Laurel Creek Rd. Which heads towards Cades Cove, and Little River Gorge Rd which eventually turns into Fighting Creek Gap Rd that ends up running right behind Sugar Lands visitors center just about Gatlinburg as you start to enter the National Park proper. By the way Laurel Creek Rd and Little Creek Gap Rd is the same road too. The name just changes as you go past the intersection with 321. It gives you one, not so straight shot from Gatlinburg to Cades Cove and it follows the river for quite a way. River rd. also follows, surprisingly enough, a river. It runs parallel to the Parkway that runs through the center of town in Gatlinburg. It joins East Parkway at the bottom end off the narrow section of downtown Gatlinburg. Then at the top end of Gatlinburg it joins back into what was called Parkway, but at this point is called Newfound Gap Rd. That road goes from Gatlinburg TN over the mountains, across “Newfound Gap”, and on into the reservation and town of Cherokee NC. There’s a lot going on there I know, but trust me on this, it covers a HUGE area, and during the 70’s looked so much different as compared to now. Even today, you could easily get lost and never be found again in this area. In that little portion of the park there are areas man has never, nor ever will see or touch. How huge the Great Smoky Mountains National Park is gets glossed over in a lot of this cases. As for her ring and pay rate. Did anyone ever ask if the parents bought it for her, or helped buy it? You did say they were doing pretty well. On the pay, despite what some make think, not everyone here is dirt poor and works minimum wage jobs. Even high school kids can make decent money, most make no where near minimum wage. When I was a teenager in the 80’s I worked at a place called “The Track” in Pigeon Forge, which is just below Gatlinburg. I started there at a dollar over minimum wage. I know that’s not a crazy amount, but for a kid back then it was a good bit. Not to mention, during the summer because of tourism, we could work as much as we wanted. I would do 6 days a week pulling double shifts starting at 8 if memory serves and on Friday and Saturday nights, it would be after midnight before we left, and the people pulling doubles got to leave early! There were times I wouldn’t leave until 2ish in the morning. So, making money is not an issue here. Knoxville doesn’t have the tourism that Sevier County does, so they probably made less, but not a lot. I remember seeing adds in the paper, or I had friends that worked in Knox County and I don’t remember ever thinking it was horrible pay being offered. Other than just these few things that you’d have to live here to really know, you did a great job covering this! Another interesting story, albeit a double murder, one of the victims being my wife’s cousin, is the double homicide of the two employees at the Rocky Top Village Inn in Gatlinburg during September of 1986. It’s quite the story. Some say the hotel became haunted after the crime. I won’t spoil it with more in case you decide to cover it.
Ive been a teenage girl, hell I still technically am one. I’m a long time hiker and I did outdoor Ed in high school, when i was 14 my outdoor Ed class was hiking at a national park near our school. I suddenly got my period and freaking out I ducked into the brush so I could check how bad it was and assess the situation in general. Things to know about me is that I am very quiet and “bookish” but because it’s 2024 I’m also diagnosed with autism and when I was 14 I was new at my school and incredibly shy. It was mortifying to me that I might have to ask a teacher or a fellow student for a pad (or worse, a tampon) but because i was a hiker I’d been to this park before and knew there was toilets nearby with free pads. I thought if I moved quickly enough I could get to the bathrooms and back in time. Spoiler, I didn’t. I got the pads but my school bus left without me, my quiet, new 14 year old self being forgotten. Luckily I was again, an experienced hiker, so it didn’t take me long to find the information center and wifi I could connect to to call my parents. My father ripped the teachers a new one after that. What I’m trying to say is that it’s possible that Trenny, needing to pee or having some sort of period related emergency could have gone off trail, spent a while trying to find a way to fix it, panicked thinking she’d been left behind for some reason and then because it was the 70s hitchhiking didn’t sound like a terrible idea. I don’t know why she wouldn’t have followed the trail but I did dumb things when I was just starting out hiking 🤷🏼♀️
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As a hiker and outdoor person I can see her getting disoriented by going to the bathroom cause using the bathroom in the woods is more difficult for a female than male and then forgetting which way she went went back and then saw a road and asked to be taken to her bus and then got snatched sorta like Amber turrcaro said sure I'll bring you to the bus and then didnt
I feel an overwhelming sense of hatred and contempt for the fact that I live at a time and in a place where being opposed to child sex trafficking constitutes a controversial political stance.
The ring: If it was from a suitor that she kept silent on, they wouldn't know about it, but her classmates might have seen her wear it. It's too late, but it's the area for who bought a ring like that...
I read something somewhere about a necklace she had that turned up with one of her classmates and they could not explain how they acquired the necklace. Does anyone remember anything like that?
And a comb. I watched a video where it stated a boy was spotted with her comb in his car. The comb that friends said she had her back pocket that day. Same with a necklace.
Maybe Trenny was in a hurry because she needed to use the bathroom but then decided she wouldn't make it so she left the trail got lost eventually found the road and an opportunistic pervert grabbed her
My guess, she went off the trail, "just a little" in her mind, and either straight away, or after getting lost, falling into a crevace or creek, and either right away, or over time, died.
I was under the impression they didn’t find the sneaker footprints until they returned to the trail, alone (after the bus left, possibly the following day) to search without any group. It was not the same time as the initial search by the two teachers. It’s been awhile since I was researching this case but, it seemed one teacher basically led the other to the shelter and the footprints.
.... So overly protective family shoot boyfriend, she never tells family about any other relationships, vanishes with new boyfriend and never makes contact with them again? Not exactly surprising.
I think I have a compelling but sad theory: she stepped off to pee, got lost, and then was abducted by that ranger who claimed to not see a crying girl on that road. Predators often work in respectable jobs that give them authority, and he'd never be suspected by anyone. Not even investigators like you. I just find it hella suspicious that they got a report of a teenage girl walking on a nearby road crying and that a single ranger immediately shot it down with fuzzy details and prevented any search of the area.
Why would a girl, with no outdoor experience, decide that the best way to run off with an older man was to trek through the woods to a road ? Why not meet the guy around the corner of the street from her house ?
It's like someone or something takes control of these missing people, leading them do irrational decisions, or even lead them to a place where they'll either find their end or will never be found. For this case to make any sense, she must've planned from the beginning to run away, and her boyfriend to wait somewhere in a car with a running engine. Whatever the case might be... Rule 1.) Don't go hiking in the Smokies. There is no rule 2. 🙈
Clicked on the vid as soon as I saw clingmans dome that 100m hike from the bottom of the hill to the top take almost fifteen minutes to walk up because of how steep it is
My immediate thought on this case. She suddenly hurried ahead from her friends. Stopped to take a break and then suddenly veered off the trail. That girl had to pee. I'm guessing she stepped off the trail because she desperately had to relieve herself. Either the rest of the students had passed by the time she finished or she purposefully let them all pass because she didn't want them to guess what she'd been doing. Then without the group to follow when she left returned to the path she ended up going to whatever parking lot was scented by the dogs. She attempted to hitchhike home assuming her bus had left without her and met a bad end, possibly ending up trafficked.
My thoughts exactly. The want to continue ahead when others stopped to rest is fitting to wanting to get to a toilet facility. This would explain leaving the trail too. Sadly your hypothesis on what ultimately happened to her may be spot on.
Exactly what i thought. I went hiking with school a lot at that age and would always hold back and let all the boys get ahead before going off trail to pee...although I did usually do it with a friend on watch. I think she got back to the road and was picked up by traffickers...
The amount of people who step off the trail to pee and after that get lost or hurt is something you see so much in stories like these. I think that probability is very high. Especially if she went ahead hurriedly from her friends. No teenage girl wants her friends, esp boys, to be along for that. And getting turned around, scared she missed her friends/bus and then either walked or hitchhiked somewhere that could get her in touch with them again. A panicked teen girl, alone and scared? It's an incredibly dangerous situation to be in. Easy to take advantage of. I think we run ahead with too big fancyful situations, when it most often just boils down to a collection of small decisions, and then irrational panicked actions.
Folk are obsessed with trafficking. What are the actual chances someone goes missing in a hike and has the exceptional bad luck to encounter one vehicle who happens to be in the trafficking business?? It's ridiculous! It's not generally how trafficking works, either.
@@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425 I don't think it was trafficking in the "international, professional rings of traffickers" sense, but more in the "she hitchhiked with a man who just happened to have no morals and took advantage of the random stroke of 'luck' he found and abused the circumstance". Opportunistic r*pe and then likely murder at a remote location. She was probably buried in a shallow grave on the assholes property not much longer than a day after she went missing. High odds that it was a local man who lived alone, no connection to any organized crime or anything extravagant like that. I wouldn't be shocked if this was the guys ONLY crime ever, just exploited a really convenient opportunity. It's technically trafficking since your transporting abducted people, but better described as a crime of opportunity.
That's particularly sus. It's possible that the ranger simply didn't think of the implications of his words. As someone who has been apart of searches its easy for the person you were looking for to walk right behind you a minute later and you not know about it.
I don't think the ranger was sus though. I do think he was just trying to narrow down the search area and was a little too confident in that he didn't see her.
I’ve done a rescue where I drive down a road looking for someone and saw no one, turned around and drove down it again. The girl was standing at the edge of the road waving me down. She said she was in the brush and heard my truck but didn’t make it to the road in time, she was scared I wouldn’t come back.
I know it’s possible they explored all these sightings and decided they weren’t her but it really really bothers me how someone reported a crying girl on the trail and they didn’t even check the trail it was on. That’s so terrible even if it wasn’t her.
A more cynical person might wonder WHY they didn't check. A ranger did say they had driven at least a section of that road and saw nothing. What if that ranger abducted her? I think that it's possible she stepped off trail to pee and possibly got lost, then ended up on the road-crying and disheveled. She would trust a park ranger and get into that vehicle without any issue. No one would suspect that a ranger would have been the culprit. I'm not saying that this hypothetical scenario involved any premeditation about Trenny specifically, just a predator who saw an opportunity and took it. The girl is already missing. You're looking for her, who would suspect you? People go missing all the time. Teenage girls run away with boyfriends, as Aiden proposes. While I don't want to accuse anyone of anything...we do know that many serial predators have worked in law enforcement and other similar capacities. A ranger would have a vehicle large enough to conceal a restrained or unconscious girl, a reason for being where they were, almost certainly the physical strength needed to subdue her. They would probably have items in the vehicle (which I believe would have been a park service truck or similar) that could be used as restraints, even if they didn't have actual rope-caution tape, elastic bandages and other medical supplies would work.
@@QuinTooEpic especially in that time period. Today we know a lot more about serial killers and the minds of criminals in general than we did at the time
In the 70’s people were still hitchhiking. There were several serial killers in the US. The rangers would have the means and opportunity but I am troubled that a boy had Trinney’s jewelry and gave it to his girlfriend. The girl crying report makes me wonder why the person reporting didn’t stop to help her? I was the same age in 1976, I can imagine how she ducked into the brush to pee and got turned around after. But, how did that boy get her jewelry?
It's what makes us human. “Our behavior is different. How often have you seen a headline like this?--TWO DIE ATTEMPTING RESCUE OF DROWNING CHILD. If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost just as many volunteers turn out. Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature--a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price.” ― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
I would say, it’s ever more …concerning or odd that it seems like most bodies are found by people walking their dogs. . or slightly less, hikers, hunters…and yes I am including a lot of David Paulides’ case studies , but even in news papers you’ll see “person found after area searched 4 times by SAR”.. etc.. That’s the part I don’t usually get. And: yes, SAR workers as well as volunteers are doing a great service indeed.
@@JordanHowellMusic if you have a dog this shouldn't be odd to you at all. Dogs sniff a lot, it's how they see the world and they find weird things that we can't. On walks my dog has found multiple arrows, 3 pairs of glasses, a light fixture, several fireball shot bottles, and a lost phone. No bodies, but we don't have many missing folks here.
SAR people. Some of the best people on the planet. They put themselves in dangerous situations to try and save others. And thst goes for the SAR animals too.❤
Anyone else think she was in a rush bc she had to use the bathroom? Then maybe decided to go off trail and pee in private? Bc thats the only reason i personally would rush ahead of friends and also go off trail during a field trip. Maybe, she got lost after that?
That could definitely make sense but wouldn’t explain how she was never found. If attacked by an animal after going off trail, surely someone would’ve heard her scream or they would’ve found a body or any evidence of a body
@@charissimpson235she wasn’t attacked by an animal, 5 different dogs all followed her scent down to the road before losing it. If I was in her shoes I would have walked down the middle of the road (like she did) until I either found something, or hope someone would drive by and help me. Unfortunately I think the devil was driving that road that day and we will likely never truly know what happened to her, may she rest in peace.
The problem with that is that four scent dogs followed her scent on a trail down to a road. How could she be lost if she stayed on the trail and made it to a road?
what bothers me a bit is the part were one of the searchers says he passed a crying girl on the road while driving but didnt think to stop and talk to her, instead carried on driving
I mean that’s not an unheard of tactic for thieves to use, having a woman walking alone by the side of the road asking for help, when u pull over a group of men jump out of the trees. It is a much better idea to keep driving and then call someone to check it out
@@miagomoski2739 But would someone have thought about that back then? Trenny went missing when hitchhiking was far more common, so would the person even know that could happen?
Some people might be critical but I love the Palides smack downs. Misinformation in cases like this can be harmful, and at least how he presents so much is less than ideal. Also the cluster style you’re doing now is great. Makes things easier to follow
Paulides is in the business of selling books. His videos are meant to be teasers to buy his books. I don't have any of his books but he implies that there is a lot more information about the cases he covers if you read the books. Recently he seems to have backed off of the super natural suggestions and includes more mundane possibilities. But remember mundane teasers do not sell books.
@@Balrog-tf3bg He lost a lot of credibility with me too. I have called him out on it when it was obvious that he was really stretching to make a connection with his theory. I look at him like I do Sigmund Freud, he started the whole concept and got a lot of things wrong so it isn't going to be perfect but it allows others to build on it and hopefully someone eventually will discover some of the answers.
I would be about Trenny's age and remember having a star sapphire ring and at that time, it was only maybe 100.00. Alot in the 70's but not crazy money...alot of girls had these. Very popular.
I had a star sapphire in my high school class ring. I graduated in '05, and the ring was less than $200. Is the one he's showing in the video the one she had? That one looks like a men's ring. I must have missed something else too, because where is the $3300 price tag coming from?
@@TheRealBethFekete I actually looked it up. There are men's rings with huge stones that might go for that now but not back then. My teen boyfriend gave it to me and It was 14 carat gold and from a jewelry store. It does make a big difference since that info just isn't correct. They were very popular at that time which I'm sure you can concur. Pretty but not as expensive as a small diamond. I feel like someone just didn't see the need of really looking into that small fact. I saw somewhere her mom was the one who told someone about it but doubt her memory's biggest issue was it's cost? Perhaps she didn't even know?
@@kaytalk9448 I was looking at women's rings in the 70s style and they're about $400, in the late 70s that would have been about $80. I'd really like a definite answer on where the ring info and price came from.
Honestly your critiques of David Politis (sp?) and paranormal investigations writ large are what keep me coming back. They're honest reflections, and you rarely overcommit to an idea without solid evidence
It's spelled Paulides. I agree with you, and in fact I think Aiden is too soft on Paulides (probably because he doesn't want to piss off viewers even more than he has with his kid-glove criticism).
When I was 14 (in the early 2000s) I was on AOL chatting with older men. I suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts from age 9, my mom was emotionally absent due to a pain pill addiction, so I was desperate to find love and attention. I invited three different men to my house when my mom was away for work trips. Now, nothing untoward ever happened, we just hung out and watched movies or went to the mall, but I was incredibly stupid. My mom was completely clueless, as were my friends, and I'm sure if something had happened to me, no one would have guessed the truth. I was the quiet kid in school, introverted and got good grades. My mom didn't even know I was on the internet and in chat rooms. You make a really good point about the ring. I myself was thinking she was abducted but the ring really stands out.
As a former teenage girl, I feel like I should comment something that you, being a former teenage boy, probably had not thought about: periods. If the location that she was seen veering out into was accurately reported, then there might be some reasons she would go into the bush. One primary reason being privacy. From your telling of the events it sounds like Trenny Gibson was most likely in search of someplace to relieve herself. The mention of a shortcut may or may not have been said to cover up that she had to relieve herself in the woods. That is something a teenage girl would not want others to know that she had to do. If only to fight off potential nicknames and teasing in the future. While reliving herself, or shortly thereafter, she may have discovered that her period (i.e. her menstrual cycle) had started early. It wouldn't be the first time hiking a mountain caused a period to start early. She probably didn't have a purse or backpack with her-please, someone correct me if I'm wrong-since this was a field trip. She probably didn't have any menstrual products on hand regardless of having a bag or not due to it coming early. Gibson could have been on a period already and her menstrual flow increased due to the change in altitude, which may have still led to potential bleed through. Again, being a girl, I know the feel of shame and embarrassment whenever my period bleeds through my clothes. She may have been facing a similar situation. Thus, here is one possible scenario to consider. Trenny Gibson, who was a 16 year-old teenage girl, could have suddenly found herself on her period while in the woods. And, most likely without any feminine pads or tampons on hand, she spends several minutes thinking what to do. She may or may not have been suffering from menstrual cramps as well. If she did suddenly suffer menstrual cramps she might have been unable to move or walk for several minutes, or longer. She may or may not have fashioned a makeshift feminine pad out of something on hand. She probably did take off her outer shirt and tied it around her waist, using it to cover anything that may have spotted through. This is something lots of girls and women do when a period comes early. I do realize the temperature that day was very cold being in the 30's, yet I can still reasonably see her doing such a thing if it kept her modesty covered. (I've been there myself as well as other women. I've had to take off my jacket and use it in such a way when it was in the 20's. Thankfully, it was in civilization, but still a teenager probably went with protecting her modesty or preventing embarrassment over keeping warm.) Trenny Gibson may have purposefully waited until her schoolmates had past her, so she wouldn't be seen by them leaving the bush and getting back to the trail, not wishing anyone to guess what had happened. (Think of the embarrassment kind of thing.) Gibson may have gotten turned around, or couldn't get back onto the trail, or she endivered to actually use a shortcut through the woods. Gibson may have gone the way or path the dogs indicated. She may not have been "seen" in the public places due to simply having her outer shirt tied around her waist, changing her description slightly. Gibson may have gone to the wrong parking lot, and wrongfully concluded that the bus had already left without her. With no access to a phone, she probably decided walking back home was her only choice. Or, walking to someplace that did have a phone where she could then call her family to come pick her up. That is one scenario. Granted, one based entirely on conjecture, but it might explain why she went off the path.
My mind is stuck on one of the comments from a witness that said after she walked ahead of them, she bent over before going off into the woods. In my mind that doesn't say period, that says diarrhea. And walking away from your female friends rather than asking one of them to walk behind you doesn't sound like she bled through her pants.
@@TheRealBethFekete That can indicate diarrhea because cramps can happen during it. However, that doesn't necessarily rule out periods either. Menstrual cycles affect women differently-one could say it is a spectrum of sorts. For some, periods are light in their flow with minimal discomfort or zero cramping. For some others, periods are heavy in their flow with incredible pain and extreme cramping. There are, of course, areas between the two extremes. Everyone is different. If she had bleed through, it isn't that bizarre that she didn't ask her friends to cover for her by walking close behind her. She may not have wanted anyone to know. She might not have had anyone she trusted to ask. I have heard of family stories around that time where they were ridiculed and called our in front of their peers or class from people they thought were their friends due to menstrual spotting. From what I have gathered for that time, menstrual cycles were still very much not publicly talked about. She may have had an accident, and her pants were soiled. That would be something someone would not want others to see or know about. Trenny Gibson may have been having moderate to extreme cramping, as evidenced by her bending over before walking off the trail. She could have also been looking at something that had caught her curiosity. Or, the witness was mistaken, and she never bent over before going off trail. She could have had the misfortune of having both diarrhea and a period hit at the same time. We just don't know. We can speculate from what little we do know, and we can discuss our conjectures.
I have been literally waiting for you to take a look at the Trenny Gibson case. I’ve spent a lot of time in the Smokies and I love Clingman’s Dome . Trenny’s case has always stood out to me and unsettled me. If you’re interested there’s a more recent Clingman’s Dome case where in fall of 2018 a 53 year old woman name Mitzie and her 20 year old daughter were hiking Forney Ridge, which is a trail that begins in the Clingman’s Dome parking lot. It’s just shy of 2 miles of fairly moderate terrain that descends about 400 feet and leads fo Andrews Bald. The two were returning from the Bald and after hiking for about a quarter mile, with a remaining 1.6 miles to go before reaching the parking lot the daughter decided to separate from her mom and hike ahead. This was because she was a faster hiker and wanted to return to the parking lot and have time to then do the short hike to the top of the Dome tower. They agreed to meet up in the Clingman’s Dome parking lot when both were done. The daughter reached the lot, proceeded hike to the top of the tower and down again but when she returned to the parking lot her mother was nowhere to be found. It took about a week of searching to find her. When they did, she has died of hypothermia and her body was found in incredibly thick and dense vegetation down a steep creek drainage. So dense in fact that her body had to be removed via helicopter.
There’s nothing wrong with being skeptical about the David. Especially when there’s sometimes evidence that appears out of nowhere. He does seem to have a habit of it. Especially when he apparently takes from other sources who don’t provide sources for certain claims.
Hate that you were bullied to stop doing the history in the beginning of all videos. They were absolutely fascinating especially all of the parallels between native religions and judaeo-Christian bible
From what I've heard the class had no idea where their field trip was going until the teacher announced it when they were leaving. She would have no way to tell anyone ahead of time to meet her there to meet up with them. Unless someone followed the bus from the school parking lot all the way to Clingmans Dome...which i believe was a 45 min trip...no one knew where this class was going that day for her to make plans to run off with someone. And of all days to plan this, a school field trip seems way harder than just sneaking out of school, after school or sneaking out of your house to run off...why do it on a school field trip and bring none of your belongings, money or anything with you if it were planned? Also, the boy her mother shot from what i remember was a black student who was obsessed with her and broke into their house. But teachers and students all gave him an alibi that he was in school that day and never left for any significant amount of time to get to clingmans dome, harm her, hide her body, then return to the school with no one noticing he was missing from classes that day. If she went off trail where the kids said she did why did none of the search dogs track that path? They all tracked her scent at the bottom of the path by the dome going off in another direction. My only guess is she went into the woods, possibly to use the restroom, got turned around and lost, found her way to a road and asked someone for a ride either to the parking lot where her field trip was meeting up or to a phone to call home...but someone probably saw a young girl crying, lost, panicking, and vulnerable and took advantage of the situation. My guess it was a crime of opportunity and she was either abducted off the side of the road or trusted that person to help her and she was taken out of the area immediately and harmed unfortunately.
So, I was just at Cligman's dome/cherokee etc.....those forests are absolutely impenetrable and the tops of the hills covered in trees so if you get lost with zero outdoors experience you will be wandering. If she didn't leave on purpose....my guess is she left the group to go into the bushes to use the restroom. You may even mention a shortcut so you don't have to tell someone you really gotta go. Then she falls and hits her head and passes out for a while. When she comes to there's no one around and is disoriented, concussed, and wanders further into the forest getting impossibly lost further away and dies eventually. Or that same thing happens and she finds the road and is picked up by the wrong person. Side note: the 70s was absolutely wild and like a 30 year old and high schooler was not looked upon super favorable but def not unheard of. My parent's gym coach literally got a student pregnant, got married to her, and kept his job as a teacher. Insanity back then.
About 5 years ago my wife and I couldn't get up to see Clingman's Dome because a woman had told her daughter she'd catch up in a minute 1mi up the AT from the parking lot. SAR found her body a week later in a wash. Died of exposure in October. Never underestimate the ability of your average unprepared person with no compass, no navigational skills, and no way of signaling for help to get lost in some trees and freeze to death because it got cold at night.
As someone else pointed out, based on the comment that she seemed in a hurry to leave, I'm inclined to believe that she wanted to go to the bathroom. Got off trail to do her business privately, that either took a while because things are like that somethimes, or she got a little lost, enough time for the whole group to pass her location. Granted, I don't know how could she had reached the area the dogs picked up the scent without recognizing the trail she left in the first place, but the anxiety of going to the bathroom in the woods and then getting lost might have been enough for her to miss the right turn and continue past it. Then, she could have reached the road, and run into the wrong bastard- therefore being abducted. A very unfortunate series of events. I'm inclined to believe there is a good amount of chance that someone picked her up from the road after getting lost, and that person is the reason she never turned up again.
I absolutely see not going to the first tree but a bit further in, just in the off chance someone does come along. From there, all it takes is not finding the way back to the trail.
One thing I learned years ago is that someone could be looking straight at me and still not see what I was doing, no misdirection involved. People don't really focus on what is in front of them; they are too busy thinking their own thoughts.
There is a video where a person dressed as a bear goes through a bunch of people doing some activity that makes you focus on them and most people do not even notice the person dressed as a bear.
This one hits me because she and I are the same age -- her and friends' yearbook pucs look like mine. So here's my thought: I wonder if she unexpectedly got her period and, out of embarrassment, hid in the brush off trail until she could figure out what to do. If her female friends were too far ahead to ask for a pad, she might've stayed in the brush, embarrassed, afraid, and then ... got too far behind. It seems silly, but it's impossible to describe the sheer horror of an unexpected period-accident to a teenage girl in the 70s. If a bear or other animal is attracted by the scent of blood, could she have been dragged off and killed? Just my two cents on a terribly tragic situation.
I think criticizing Paulidus should be done more. I frequently see these cases where he either omits publicly available information or outright makes things up to make cases more mysterious. Bedtime Stories did a great vudeo a few years ago talking about cases he'd called Missing 411 that actually had obvious solutions if all the information available had been presented. Might have had good intentions, maybe still does, but it seems awfully grifter-like behavior to me.
Bedtime and Wartime Stories is not independent but part of the media groups. They also muddy the waters and are laced with propaganda, tho it’s subtle. No thanks
Hijacking just to confirm, as a person who grew up around this area, Aiden is 100% correct. If someone mentions 'The Y' in those mountains with no other context, the Townsend Wye swimming hole is for sure what they're talking about.
I've seen comments disappear form his channel, that offer any kind of criticism, that would 'dispell' his version of a missing person case he labels with '411'. I seen one today get deleted. Took a screenshot of it as well, and posted it to another channel that was referred to in the comment. I have also seen him get questioned about why he doesn't get the '411' peer reviewed. It was on his twitter. He claimed if the '411' was to be peer reviewed, whoever does it, would end up owning the rights to his so-called work, which is complete, and utter BS.
@@deerichardz he said in his latest video that he’s going to be going out of town but still uploading videos, he said, “I’m going to have to turn off the comments section, but UA-cam does that on their own so it might not even be because of me, anyways…” He’s so manipulative and controlling. A cult leader perhaps?
The only conclusion I am willing to make regarding Trenny's disappearance is that she seemed to walk out of the park. It may have been to meet someone down on the road or she was escorted out by someone else. The 4 or 5 dogs tracking to the same spot is the best evidence there is in this case. My question is why didn't Trenny get in touch with her family even a decade or two later if it was voluntary? I feel it didn't end well for Trenny. Was she duped and trafficked? Was she emotionally played by an abusive guy pretending to love her and sweep her away to their dream life? The initial leaving may have been voluntary but not hearing anything from her over the course of four plus decades to me implies something nefarious happened to her.
@@maryeckel9682 There was an unexpressed recognition that young girls had missing daddy issues and was looking for a father figure/ spouse. That was near the beginning of the era of the single mother epidemic. My second wife fell into that category. Her father died when she was eight and she had bonded with him. I was 11 years older than her and a single mother. My commitment to her made the marriage last 32 years thinking that eventually she will get over her abandonment issues but I was wrong.
Seems to me she had to go to the bathroom. She then wandered off the trail in order to get far enough away to not be seen by her classmates to avoid embarrassment. She probably got confused as to which way the trail was, panicked and then traveled further away from the trail. She either got hurt in her panic or died from exposure in the following days. It seems to be a stretch that she made it to the road and then some other unfortunate event befell her.
Four separate dogs traced her to the road. That’s unlikely to be a coincidence. They also very thoroughly checked the immediate area, and she wasn’t there.
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Aidan, If she was into Astrology she would have bought that ring on her own. And it would be an expensive one. Just another possibility.
Teenage girl needs to pee, doesn't want to seem gross to her friends or be teased forever, steps far enough off the trail that her friends are definitely not going to see her. Gets lost. Makes it to the road, decides to hitchhike home.
That's what I was thinking. She seemed in a hurry to the other kids that saw her, bent over, and took a sharp right into a dense wooded area. There was a bathroom emergency.
@@TheRealBethFekete Yep. Maybe you have to have been a teenage girl on a field trip to have recognized that one immediately.
I was thinking something similar. When she got to the road, someone saw an opportunity and abducted her, maybe offering a ride back to the parking lot
Very likely. Just look at what happened to Geraldine Largay. You can think you're just going a few steps off trail and lose it forever.
My thoughts exactly, ngl to me it seems kind of obvious what happened. Idk why this guy says he thinks she tried to meet with an older boy. First off any research would tell you the field trip was 'suprise' so the students didnt know where they were going till get got there. Secondly if she was trying to go missing, this would be the last place you would do it, there was no gaurentee that the group she was would need to stop, she would just do it on the way to / home from work or school
I liked the addition of a little icon on the map when discussing how they moved! Very small but nice addition that helps my slow mind comprehend lmao
It makes so much more sense now I can properly visualise where things are in relation to each other
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my hypothesis is that she somehow got lost, found the road, asked a driver for a ride back to the parking lot , but was abducted. this story still doesn’t make a lot of sense tho. also, i find it kinda wild that the school would allow them to go on this trail when three young people had gone missing and not found alive on that trail in the past seven years. or maybe i’m just too cautious when it comes to safety lol
Ehh back in this time they didn’t care about safety. There’s so many different stories it’s hard to know what to believe. Got a guy saying he saw a girl crying walking down the road but no girl ever found, kids saying she went off trail up ahead of them after they stopped but it was heavily dense forest and big downhill slope, so many different accounts. I just don’t understand why she would go off trail and if she didn’t go off trail it seems like they weren’t very far from the parking lot and would have found it and wouldn’t have tried cutting through some dense trees to try and take a shortcut. None of it makes any sense. I think most likely somehow she got lost, got to the road and then got kidnapped… unless there’s some deep hole she fell in somewhere so her body was never found.
@@davidbiagi2932 a plausible reason for her to go off trail, and deeper into the woods than many are anticipating, would be because she needed to pee.
Teenage girls especially would make sure to be fully out of sight of her peers than most boys or men would.
Depending on her sense of direction she could easily have misremembered the way back to the trail and got lost, and had just been missed by search parties.
This has always been my assumption - either that or the guy that was interested in her (who also had possession of jewelry she was allegedly wearing at the time of her vanishing and later gave it to his GF, who refused to give it back to the family?)
The school probably didn't even know about the other disappearances. There was no internet and if it wasn't talked about on the local news or radio recently in that schools county, there isn't really reason anyone at the school would remember the cases. Stuff was way more local back then, it was easy to not hear about things going on across your state let along nationally, unless it was like big national news.
That’s my gut feeling too!
i feel like we really glossed over the boy who tried to break in to “see” her and then said he was gonna kill her??? not even to say that he for sure did it… but like wtf
I worked at a pizza shop with bobbi back in 2016! Shes a super nice lady. This day still very much haunts her. She told me about this when we worked together and she still wonders what happened. She said it didn't make sense, and she shouldn't have been able to just disappear like that.
Strange coincidence, I just walked down from clingmans dome and I'm browsing UA-cam and see this
In this heat?
You may find a clue :)
I know, I was just there alone last weekend & now this video…
@slappy8941 yea, up in the clouds it was about 62 degrees, NY the time we made it back down to pigeon forge it was 92
Weird as fuuuuuck.😳
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8:47 super appreciate the walking markers to show where searches are going along trails... just saying going north along xyz trail doesn't help the imagination..having visuals along trails is just perfect thank younfor the effort!❤
As someone who had horrible bowel issues, i can see where shed need to get off the trail asap and tried to be sly or tried to hide that fact by making it seem like she was going to do something else. Not sure what would have happened after that, but whoo does bathroom emergencies and self consciousness make you do strange things.
My thoughts exactly. It explains her being in a hurry, and is a plausible reason for going off the trail.
I’ve been waiting legit watched all your stuff over the past week. Can’t get enough of it. Highly considering joining your patreon would be the first time I’ve ever done that.
I’ve been doing the same, I also just joined the patreon. I joined one of the higher tiers but the lower tiers are just as good. Not as much on it recently but I’d still say it’s a good idea if you afford it and want to support them. Some great content on there too!
I'm from this area, and "the Y" was almost definitely referring to the townsend wye
That's the only Y I can think of. Great place to go swimming. Only place I've ever seen otters in the park.
Love your visual aids added in on your maps. I use to have to stress over rewatching some sections to understand the narrative onto the maps you display. Please keep doing this, muchly appreciated.
The cut to sad music to correct the "mistake" at 51:33 was kinda funny
omg! I saw this thumbnail like 5x on my feed and kept thinking Trenny...App Trail..I guess he's another missing 411..but I kept feeling like I needed to watch..then I remembered it's the girl Trenny! Aww so glad you're on this one! I know this one! I was just drawing a blank. I was on Namus for hours last night and you're not kidding about the missing people in the 1970's...there's so many Jane Does..stil unsolved from then.
He? 🙄
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😂 the siren and the quick cut to his dog on his lap
Buncombe County - Buncombe is pronounced bun-come, with the 'n' being short and hard, and the last part is like 'come' not like a 'comb.' 😁 We are going to need an Appalachian English course on duo-lingo...
i’m getting “marysville” flashbacks😭
Aw, come on. Be honest. Appalachians don’t speak English😂😂
@@RoMaRobMarq this is true! Funniest mispronunciation yet that I've seen on UA-cam is Nantahala. No one from outside of the area can say it straight. All I can say is watch out for dem haints in dem hollers, Daddy done told me, less you wind up with a pump knot on your head trying to skeedaddle away from 'em. 😆
I really like the way you present and edit your posts. Highly educational and entertaining. Kudos to all involved!!
David Politis looks like Kurt Russel when he played Wyatt Earp in Tombstone. I can no longer understand see it.
Keep being critical! That’s why we love your work. Great job with this one, I agree with your assessment
You are not and have never been too critical of David Plaulides. You approach him as neutral a fashion as is responsible.
Agree strongly. While I'm new-ish to the channel, I've watched lots of his old videos, and he seems fair.
This tripped me up because I was at Clingman's Dome last month.
I think what would make this even better is if it had a link to all the sources in the video for the general public to view. not having it behind a paywall would give people a much better view of your character.
$3300 in 1976 is something like $18K in 2024 money. That's a very expensive ring.
I think he's already extrapolating to today's value of 3300. He does da maff.
to all the people criticizing you for criticizing Palides: "where there's smoke, there's fire." If Palides wasn't DESERVING of criticism, these guys wouldn't have such an easy time doing it. Palides absolutely, demonstrably editorializes and sensationalizes his stories if not by fabrication, then certainly by omission. Maybe stop putting blind faith in people with clear profit motives.
Never been this early! Can’t wait for hear this 411
I have nothing constructive to add about the video except to say I too have a white dog named Archie!
Very constructive
I saw your kill dozer vidieo. All of your content is very good
you're sounding more and more like paulides every episode. i like it
Google Earth in VR is awesome for getting up close and digital with locations. No restriction to roads 'n' all that.
Seventies deserves a better shout out. Thank you, whole team.
Based on the dogs tracking, the answer to that title is 'absolutely'
It's funny that people think your videos are Palides hit pieces... Kind of goes to show that maybe, just maybe, Palides isn't a very credible source of information.
I can't hate the guy since Missing 411 content intrigues me and he was the one who started it, but I'll never go to Palides if I'm looking for anything more than a creepypasta...
at best, Paulides is a very misinformed person that gained some celebrity and in trying to hang onto it, has become a grifter. at worst, Paulides has always been a grifter and has always knowingly withheld relevant info or put out false info. neither option is great...
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Kidnapping is a big problem around that area, that’s how I lost my grandmother. My guess is she tried to hitchhike, which is a grave mistake in that region.
I know we did the history separately but it was so disorienting not to have a history lesson to start with! 😂
Has to be one of the most bizarre disappearances.. Certainly sounds like a likely abduction though
Oh my goodness I had better alert my human that a siren blarring!
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Awesome work!
Another show stated that one of her classmate’s was found to be wearing that ring
And refused to give it back to the family to boot :/
Good analysis.
I like your conclusion.
This would be a tough, if not impossible, answer to swallow for most. It's easier to see someone as a victim if the demised had no part in their own tragic outcome.
Lexington Tn. is really close to Natchez Trace, another state park. It has 3 camping areas now, and all have bath houses. 40 goes from Arkansas to N. Carolina.
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while I agree that her getting into a car seems the most plausible explanation it's hard for me to imagine her leaving her life behind deliberately and not ever contacting her parents; even if her home life wasn't perfect, by all accounts she was close to her immediate family...with that being said this case has fascinated me for years and, unfortunately, we may never know what happened to Trenny...great research and summation, I've watched a number of discussions on this case and the LL is definitely one of the best
Its so sad when its a little girl, idk why but it usually doesn’t bother me as much when its grown men
Because nobody cares about men.
It's probably bc we see young ones as innocent, a full life ahead of them. Death is always sad, but a young life snuffed out before it began is simply tragic.
I feel the same way. A young child is usually defenseless.
Life long Sevier or Blount county resident here. You are 100% correct on what is referred to as the “Y”, or Wye. The name comes from the design of the intersection of Hwy 321 or East Lamar Alexander Parkway, Laurel Creek Rd. Which heads towards Cades Cove, and Little River Gorge Rd which eventually turns into Fighting Creek Gap Rd that ends up running right behind Sugar Lands visitors center just about Gatlinburg as you start to enter the National Park proper. By the way Laurel Creek Rd and Little Creek Gap Rd is the same road too. The name just changes as you go past the intersection with 321. It gives you one, not so straight shot from Gatlinburg to Cades Cove and it follows the river for quite a way.
River rd. also follows, surprisingly enough, a river. It runs parallel to the Parkway that runs through the center of town in Gatlinburg. It joins East Parkway at the bottom end off the narrow section of downtown Gatlinburg. Then at the top end of Gatlinburg it joins back into what was called Parkway, but at this point is called Newfound Gap Rd. That road goes from Gatlinburg TN over the mountains, across “Newfound Gap”, and on into the reservation and town of Cherokee NC.
There’s a lot going on there I know, but trust me on this, it covers a HUGE area, and during the 70’s looked so much different as compared to now. Even today, you could easily get lost and never be found again in this area. In that little portion of the park there are areas man has never, nor ever will see or touch. How huge the Great Smoky Mountains National Park is gets glossed over in a lot of this cases.
As for her ring and pay rate. Did anyone ever ask if the parents bought it for her, or helped buy it? You did say they were doing pretty well. On the pay, despite what some make think, not everyone here is dirt poor and works minimum wage jobs. Even high school kids can make decent money, most make no where near minimum wage. When I was a teenager in the 80’s I worked at a place called “The Track” in Pigeon Forge, which is just below Gatlinburg. I started there at a dollar over minimum wage. I know that’s not a crazy amount, but for a kid back then it was a good bit. Not to mention, during the summer because of tourism, we could work as much as we wanted. I would do 6 days a week pulling double shifts starting at 8 if memory serves and on Friday and Saturday nights, it would be after midnight before we left, and the people pulling doubles got to leave early! There were times I wouldn’t leave until 2ish in the morning. So, making money is not an issue here. Knoxville doesn’t have the tourism that Sevier County does, so they probably made less, but not a lot. I remember seeing adds in the paper, or I had friends that worked in Knox County and I don’t remember ever thinking it was horrible pay being offered.
Other than just these few things that you’d have to live here to really know, you did a great job covering this!
Another interesting story, albeit a double murder, one of the victims being my wife’s cousin, is the double homicide of the two employees at the Rocky Top Village Inn in Gatlinburg during September of 1986. It’s quite the story. Some say the hotel became haunted after the crime. I won’t spoil it with more in case you decide to cover it.
Ive been a teenage girl, hell I still technically am one. I’m a long time hiker and I did outdoor Ed in high school, when i was 14 my outdoor Ed class was hiking at a national park near our school. I suddenly got my period and freaking out I ducked into the brush so I could check how bad it was and assess the situation in general. Things to know about me is that I am very quiet and “bookish” but because it’s 2024 I’m also diagnosed with autism and when I was 14 I was new at my school and incredibly shy. It was mortifying to me that I might have to ask a teacher or a fellow student for a pad (or worse, a tampon) but because i was a hiker I’d been to this park before and knew there was toilets nearby with free pads. I thought if I moved quickly enough I could get to the bathrooms and back in time. Spoiler, I didn’t. I got the pads but my school bus left without me, my quiet, new 14 year old self being forgotten. Luckily I was again, an experienced hiker, so it didn’t take me long to find the information center and wifi I could connect to to call my parents. My father ripped the teachers a new one after that.
What I’m trying to say is that it’s possible that Trenny, needing to pee or having some sort of period related emergency could have gone off trail, spent a while trying to find a way to fix it, panicked thinking she’d been left behind for some reason and then because it was the 70s hitchhiking didn’t sound like a terrible idea. I don’t know why she wouldn’t have followed the trail but I did dumb things when I was just starting out hiking 🤷🏼♀️
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Is that a free masons shirt?
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As a hiker and outdoor person I can see her getting disoriented by going to the bathroom cause using the bathroom in the woods is more difficult for a female than male and then forgetting which way she went went back and then saw a road and asked to be taken to her bus and then got snatched sorta like Amber turrcaro said sure I'll bring you to the bus and then didnt
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Nice image of clingmans dome in the thumbnail
I feel an overwhelming sense of hatred and contempt for the fact that I live at a time and in a place where being opposed to child sex trafficking constitutes a controversial political stance.
The ring: If it was from a suitor that she kept silent on, they wouldn't know about it, but her classmates might have seen her wear it. It's too late, but it's the area for who bought a ring like that...
She had to take a wicked piss thats why she didnt want to stop, and then went off trail
I read something somewhere about a necklace she had that turned up with one of her classmates and they could not explain how they acquired the necklace. Does anyone remember anything like that?
And a comb. I watched a video where it stated a boy was spotted with her comb in his car. The comb that friends said she had her back pocket that day. Same with a necklace.
@@bfarmin10That is so suspicious. I was a kid in the 70s. Our combs were very important to us. Everybody had a special comb in their back pocket.
Her father SHOT a boy who wanted to see her? That could be a wild indication of something wrong in the house.
Maybe Trenny was in a hurry because she needed to use the bathroom but then decided she wouldn't make it so she left the trail got lost eventually found the road and an opportunistic pervert grabbed her
is this a reupload? Seems like I've seen this before
My guess, she went off the trail, "just a little" in her mind, and either straight away, or after getting lost, falling into a crevace or creek, and either right away, or over time, died.
I was under the impression they didn’t find the sneaker footprints until they returned to the trail, alone (after the bus left, possibly the following day) to search without any group. It was not the same time as the initial search by the two teachers. It’s been awhile since I was researching this case but, it seemed one teacher basically led the other to the shelter and the footprints.
.... So overly protective family shoot boyfriend, she never tells family about any other relationships, vanishes with new boyfriend and never makes contact with them again? Not exactly surprising.
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Hmm, that’s odd. I’ll see what that’s about.
@@TheLoreLodge Thanks.
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I think I have a compelling but sad theory: she stepped off to pee, got lost, and then was abducted by that ranger who claimed to not see a crying girl on that road. Predators often work in respectable jobs that give them authority, and he'd never be suspected by anyone. Not even investigators like you. I just find it hella suspicious that they got a report of a teenage girl walking on a nearby road crying and that a single ranger immediately shot it down with fuzzy details and prevented any search of the area.
Have you considered doing a census check of the area?
Why would a girl, with no outdoor experience, decide that the best way to run off with an older man was to trek through the woods to a road ?
Why not meet the guy around the corner of the street from her house ?
It's like someone or something takes control of these missing people, leading them do irrational decisions, or even lead them to a place where they'll either find their end or will never be found. For this case to make any sense, she must've planned from the beginning to run away, and her boyfriend to wait somewhere in a car with a running engine. Whatever the case might be... Rule 1.) Don't go hiking in the Smokies. There is no rule 2. 🙈
Clicked on the vid as soon as I saw clingmans dome that 100m hike from the bottom of the hill to the top take almost fifteen minutes to walk up because of how steep it is
I know you're saying "Andrews Bald" but I can't stop hearing "Andrew's balls."
So their plan, was to check under Andrew's Balls. 😂
My immediate thought on this case. She suddenly hurried ahead from her friends. Stopped to take a break and then suddenly veered off the trail. That girl had to pee. I'm guessing she stepped off the trail because she desperately had to relieve herself. Either the rest of the students had passed by the time she finished or she purposefully let them all pass because she didn't want them to guess what she'd been doing. Then without the group to follow when she left returned to the path she ended up going to whatever parking lot was scented by the dogs. She attempted to hitchhike home assuming her bus had left without her and met a bad end, possibly ending up trafficked.
My thoughts exactly. The want to continue ahead when others stopped to rest is fitting to wanting to get to a toilet facility. This would explain leaving the trail too. Sadly your hypothesis on what ultimately happened to her may be spot on.
Exactly what i thought. I went hiking with school a lot at that age and would always hold back and let all the boys get ahead before going off trail to pee...although I did usually do it with a friend on watch. I think she got back to the road and was picked up by traffickers...
The amount of people who step off the trail to pee and after that get lost or hurt is something you see so much in stories like these. I think that probability is very high. Especially if she went ahead hurriedly from her friends. No teenage girl wants her friends, esp boys, to be along for that. And getting turned around, scared she missed her friends/bus and then either walked or hitchhiked somewhere that could get her in touch with them again. A panicked teen girl, alone and scared? It's an incredibly dangerous situation to be in. Easy to take advantage of.
I think we run ahead with too big fancyful situations, when it most often just boils down to a collection of small decisions, and then irrational panicked actions.
Folk are obsessed with trafficking. What are the actual chances someone goes missing in a hike and has the exceptional bad luck to encounter one vehicle who happens to be in the trafficking business?? It's ridiculous! It's not generally how trafficking works, either.
@@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425 I don't think it was trafficking in the "international, professional rings of traffickers" sense, but more in the "she hitchhiked with a man who just happened to have no morals and took advantage of the random stroke of 'luck' he found and abused the circumstance". Opportunistic r*pe and then likely murder at a remote location. She was probably buried in a shallow grave on the assholes property not much longer than a day after she went missing. High odds that it was a local man who lived alone, no connection to any organized crime or anything extravagant like that. I wouldn't be shocked if this was the guys ONLY crime ever, just exploited a really convenient opportunity. It's technically trafficking since your transporting abducted people, but better described as a crime of opportunity.
i’d be pissed if somewhere was named after my bald head
😂😂😂
well just out of spite the dirt patch in my yard is now called Milena Francesca's Bald
Bald head cove
they shoulda called it Chrome Dome lmao
If anything was named after me I would not care. Just as I really don’t care that nothing will be.
"We saw her near rhe highway"
"No you didn't, I was just there"
Thats sus to me
That's particularly sus. It's possible that the ranger simply didn't think of the implications of his words. As someone who has been apart of searches its easy for the person you were looking for to walk right behind you a minute later and you not know about it.
I don't think the ranger was sus though. I do think he was just trying to narrow down the search area and was a little too confident in that he didn't see her.
I’ve done a rescue where I drive down a road looking for someone and saw no one, turned around and drove down it again. The girl was standing at the edge of the road waving me down. She said she was in the brush and heard my truck but didn’t make it to the road in time, she was scared I wouldn’t come back.
The students themselves are kinda suspicious in my opinion. But I have researched this case extensively before this episode was even made.
Even if it's not sus, it's dumb to not check on something like that even if briefly.
I know it’s possible they explored all these sightings and decided they weren’t her but it really really bothers me how someone reported a crying girl on the trail and they didn’t even check the trail it was on. That’s so terrible even if it wasn’t her.
A more cynical person might wonder WHY they didn't check. A ranger did say they had driven at least a section of that road and saw nothing. What if that ranger abducted her?
I think that it's possible she stepped off trail to pee and possibly got lost, then ended up on the road-crying and disheveled. She would trust a park ranger and get into that vehicle without any issue. No one would suspect that a ranger would have been the culprit.
I'm not saying that this hypothetical scenario involved any premeditation about Trenny specifically, just a predator who saw an opportunity and took it. The girl is already missing. You're looking for her, who would suspect you? People go missing all the time. Teenage girls run away with boyfriends, as Aiden proposes.
While I don't want to accuse anyone of anything...we do know that many serial predators have worked in law enforcement and other similar capacities. A ranger would have a vehicle large enough to conceal a restrained or unconscious girl, a reason for being where they were, almost certainly the physical strength needed to subdue her. They would probably have items in the vehicle (which I believe would have been a park service truck or similar) that could be used as restraints, even if they didn't have actual rope-caution tape, elastic bandages and other medical supplies would work.
@@katejones9050 will agree with this I mean who really suspects the people that says they are helping with the search.
I did watch a video about a Park worker who killed some females bf he was caught.
@@QuinTooEpic especially in that time period. Today we know a lot more about serial killers and the minds of criminals in general than we did at the time
In the 70’s people were still hitchhiking. There were several serial killers in the US. The rangers would have the means and opportunity but I am troubled that a boy had Trinney’s jewelry and gave it to his girlfriend. The girl crying report makes me wonder why the person reporting didn’t stop to help her? I was the same age in 1976, I can imagine how she ducked into the brush to pee and got turned around after. But, how did that boy get her jewelry?
I want to get a dog named J. Edgar now and makes jokes about he has to have his nose in everyone's business, lol
Now I'm picturing a bloodhound in a dress and floppy hat.
Now I'm considering renaming my dog 😂
You'd have to give it the full name of J. Edgar Woofer for full effect
@@allenc.7589daddin so hard🍻
And his nose is a hoover
Isn't it impressive how many SAR folks always turn out (in all conditions) to find a poor lost soul? Always gives me hope for the human race.
It's what makes us human.
“Our behavior is different. How often have you seen a headline like this?--TWO DIE ATTEMPTING RESCUE OF DROWNING CHILD. If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost just as many volunteers turn out.
Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature--a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price.”
― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
I would say, it’s ever more …concerning or odd that it seems like most bodies are found by people walking their dogs. . or slightly less, hikers, hunters…and yes I am including a lot of David Paulides’ case studies , but even in news papers you’ll see “person found after area searched 4 times by SAR”.. etc..
That’s the part I don’t usually get.
And: yes, SAR workers as well as volunteers are doing a great service indeed.
@@JordanHowellMusic if you have a dog this shouldn't be odd to you at all. Dogs sniff a lot, it's how they see the world and they find weird things that we can't. On walks my dog has found multiple arrows, 3 pairs of glasses, a light fixture, several fireball shot bottles, and a lost phone. No bodies, but we don't have many missing folks here.
SAR people. Some of the best people on the planet. They put themselves in dangerous situations to try and save others. And thst goes for the SAR animals too.❤
Yes... And they in these cases did a terrible job.
Anyone else think she was in a rush bc she had to use the bathroom? Then maybe decided to go off trail and pee in private?
Bc thats the only reason i personally would rush ahead of friends and also go off trail during a field trip. Maybe, she got lost after that?
I was thinking the same thing.
Or maybe she hid and wanted to jump out to scare her friends. Tho, that doesn't explain her never being found
That could definitely make sense but wouldn’t explain how she was never found. If attacked by an animal after going off trail, surely someone would’ve heard her scream or they would’ve found a body or any evidence of a body
@@charissimpson235she wasn’t attacked by an animal, 5 different dogs all followed her scent down to the road before losing it. If I was in her shoes I would have walked down the middle of the road (like she did) until I either found something, or hope someone would drive by and help me. Unfortunately I think the devil was driving that road that day and we will likely never truly know what happened to her, may she rest in peace.
The problem with that is that four scent dogs followed her scent on a trail down to a road. How could she be lost if she stayed on the trail and made it to a road?
The pup howling in the background to the siren was so adorable. Haha.
what bothers me a bit is the part were one of the searchers says he passed a crying girl on the road while driving but didnt think to stop and talk to her, instead carried on driving
I mean that’s not an unheard of tactic for thieves to use, having a woman walking alone by the side of the road asking for help, when u pull over a group of men jump out of the trees. It is a much better idea to keep driving and then call someone to check it out
@@miagomoski2739 But would someone have thought about that back then? Trenny went missing when hitchhiking was far more common, so would the person even know that could happen?
Some people might be critical but I love the Palides smack downs. Misinformation in cases like this can be harmful, and at least how he presents so much is less than ideal.
Also the cluster style you’re doing now is great. Makes things easier to follow
His temper tantrums also aren't helpful in convincing people that he is thorough, honest, and mentally sound.
Paulides is in the business of selling books. His videos are meant to be teasers to buy his books. I don't have any of his books but he implies that there is a lot more information about the cases he covers if you read the books. Recently he seems to have backed off of the super natural suggestions and includes more mundane possibilities. But remember mundane teasers do not sell books.
@@elonever.2.071yeah I jumped ship when he was doing the whole Bigfoot is an alien
Pallides has books to sell...and never let's the truth get in the way of a good story
@@Balrog-tf3bg
He lost a lot of credibility with me too. I have called him out on it when it was obvious that he was really stretching to make a connection with his theory.
I look at him like I do Sigmund Freud, he started the whole concept and got a lot of things wrong so it isn't going to be perfect but it allows others to build on it and hopefully someone eventually will discover some of the answers.
I would be about Trenny's age and remember having a star sapphire ring and at that time, it was only maybe 100.00. Alot in the 70's but not crazy money...alot of girls had these. Very popular.
I had a star sapphire in my high school class ring. I graduated in '05, and the ring was less than $200.
Is the one he's showing in the video the one she had? That one looks like a men's ring. I must have missed something else too, because where is the $3300 price tag coming from?
@@TheRealBethFekete I actually looked it up. There are men's rings with huge stones that might go for that now but not back then. My teen boyfriend gave it to me and It was 14 carat gold and from a jewelry store. It does make a big difference since that info just isn't correct. They were very popular at that time which I'm sure you can concur. Pretty but not as expensive as a small diamond. I feel like someone just didn't see the need of really looking into that small fact. I saw somewhere her mom was the one who told someone about it but doubt her memory's biggest issue was it's cost? Perhaps she didn't even know?
@@kaytalk9448 I was looking at women's rings in the 70s style and they're about $400, in the late 70s that would have been about $80. I'd really like a definite answer on where the ring info and price came from.
....I thought you meant a Star Sapphire power ring from the Violet Lanterns.
They were very popular, and they were cheaper at head shops.
Honestly your critiques of David Politis (sp?) and paranormal investigations writ large are what keep me coming back. They're honest reflections, and you rarely overcommit to an idea without solid evidence
Two names for you to look up, solmote, and trailangel4. Read their OPs.
It's spelled Paulides. I agree with you, and in fact I think Aiden is too soft on Paulides (probably because he doesn't want to piss off viewers even more than he has with his kid-glove criticism).
When I was 14 (in the early 2000s) I was on AOL chatting with older men. I suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts from age 9, my mom was emotionally absent due to a pain pill addiction, so I was desperate to find love and attention. I invited three different men to my house when my mom was away for work trips. Now, nothing untoward ever happened, we just hung out and watched movies or went to the mall, but I was incredibly stupid. My mom was completely clueless, as were my friends, and I'm sure if something had happened to me, no one would have guessed the truth. I was the quiet kid in school, introverted and got good grades. My mom didn't even know I was on the internet and in chat rooms. You make a really good point about the ring. I myself was thinking she was abducted but the ring really stands out.
As a former teenage girl, I feel like I should comment something that you, being a former teenage boy, probably had not thought about: periods.
If the location that she was seen veering out into was accurately reported, then there might be some reasons she would go into the bush.
One primary reason being privacy. From your telling of the events it sounds like Trenny Gibson was most likely in search of someplace to relieve herself. The mention of a shortcut may or may not have been said to cover up that she had to relieve herself in the woods. That is something a teenage girl would not want others to know that she had to do. If only to fight off potential nicknames and teasing in the future.
While reliving herself, or shortly thereafter, she may have discovered that her period (i.e. her menstrual cycle) had started early. It wouldn't be the first time hiking a mountain caused a period to start early. She probably didn't have a purse or backpack with her-please, someone correct me if I'm wrong-since this was a field trip. She probably didn't have any menstrual products on hand regardless of having a bag or not due to it coming early.
Gibson could have been on a period already and her menstrual flow increased due to the change in altitude, which may have still led to potential bleed through.
Again, being a girl, I know the feel of shame and embarrassment whenever my period bleeds through my clothes. She may have been facing a similar situation.
Thus, here is one possible scenario to consider.
Trenny Gibson, who was a 16 year-old teenage girl, could have suddenly found herself on her period while in the woods. And, most likely without any feminine pads or tampons on hand, she spends several minutes thinking what to do. She may or may not have been suffering from menstrual cramps as well. If she did suddenly suffer menstrual cramps she might have been unable to move or walk for several minutes, or longer. She may or may not have fashioned a makeshift feminine pad out of something on hand.
She probably did take off her outer shirt and tied it around her waist, using it to cover anything that may have spotted through. This is something lots of girls and women do when a period comes early. I do realize the temperature that day was very cold being in the 30's, yet I can still reasonably see her doing such a thing if it kept her modesty covered. (I've been there myself as well as other women. I've had to take off my jacket and use it in such a way when it was in the 20's. Thankfully, it was in civilization, but still a teenager probably went with protecting her modesty or preventing embarrassment over keeping warm.)
Trenny Gibson may have purposefully waited until her schoolmates had past her, so she wouldn't be seen by them leaving the bush and getting back to the trail, not wishing anyone to guess what had happened. (Think of the embarrassment kind of thing.)
Gibson may have gotten turned around, or couldn't get back onto the trail, or she endivered to actually use a shortcut through the woods.
Gibson may have gone the way or path the dogs indicated. She may not have been "seen" in the public places due to simply having her outer shirt tied around her waist, changing her description slightly.
Gibson may have gone to the wrong parking lot, and wrongfully concluded that the bus had already left without her. With no access to a phone, she probably decided walking back home was her only choice. Or, walking to someplace that did have a phone where she could then call her family to come pick her up.
That is one scenario. Granted, one based entirely on conjecture, but it might explain why she went off the path.
Great point.
Very plausible and explains why a girl would be crying on the road.
My mind is stuck on one of the comments from a witness that said after she walked ahead of them, she bent over before going off into the woods.
In my mind that doesn't say period, that says diarrhea. And walking away from your female friends rather than asking one of them to walk behind you doesn't sound like she bled through her pants.
@@TheRealBethFekete
That can indicate diarrhea because cramps can happen during it. However, that doesn't necessarily rule out periods either.
Menstrual cycles affect women differently-one could say it is a spectrum of sorts. For some, periods are light in their flow with minimal discomfort or zero cramping. For some others, periods are heavy in their flow with incredible pain and extreme cramping. There are, of course, areas between the two extremes. Everyone is different.
If she had bleed through, it isn't that bizarre that she didn't ask her friends to cover for her by walking close behind her. She may not have wanted anyone to know. She might not have had anyone she trusted to ask. I have heard of family stories around that time where they were ridiculed and called our in front of their peers or class from people they thought were their friends due to menstrual spotting. From what I have gathered for that time, menstrual cycles were still very much not publicly talked about.
She may have had an accident, and her pants were soiled. That would be something someone would not want others to see or know about.
Trenny Gibson may have been having moderate to extreme cramping, as evidenced by her bending over before walking off the trail. She could have also been looking at something that had caught her curiosity. Or, the witness was mistaken, and she never bent over before going off trail.
She could have had the misfortune of having both diarrhea and a period hit at the same time.
We just don't know. We can speculate from what little we do know, and we can discuss our conjectures.
@@TheRealBethFekete yes, that’s possible but she could have been having severe cramps. Either way it would be embarrassing.
I have been literally waiting for you to take a look at the Trenny Gibson case. I’ve spent a lot of time in the Smokies and I love Clingman’s Dome . Trenny’s case has always stood out to me and unsettled me. If you’re interested there’s a more recent Clingman’s Dome case where in fall of 2018 a 53 year old woman name Mitzie and her 20 year old daughter were hiking Forney Ridge, which is a trail that begins in the Clingman’s Dome parking lot. It’s just shy of 2 miles of fairly moderate terrain that descends about 400 feet and leads fo Andrews Bald. The two were returning from the Bald and after hiking for about a quarter mile, with a remaining 1.6 miles to go before reaching the parking lot the daughter decided to separate from her mom and hike ahead. This was because she was a faster hiker and wanted to return to the parking lot and have time to then do the short hike to the top of the Dome tower. They agreed to meet up in the Clingman’s Dome parking lot when both were done. The daughter reached the lot, proceeded hike to the top of the tower and down again but when she returned to the parking lot her mother was nowhere to be found. It took about a week of searching to find her. When they did, she has died of hypothermia and her body was found in incredibly thick and dense vegetation down a steep creek drainage. So dense in fact that her body had to be removed via helicopter.
That's so sad. Stay together.
There’s nothing wrong with being skeptical about the David. Especially when there’s sometimes evidence that appears out of nowhere. He does seem to have a habit of it. Especially when he apparently takes from other sources who don’t provide sources for certain claims.
Hate that you were bullied to stop doing the history in the beginning of all videos. They were absolutely fascinating especially all of the parallels between native religions and judaeo-Christian bible
Frz
From what I've heard the class had no idea where their field trip was going until the teacher announced it when they were leaving. She would have no way to tell anyone ahead of time to meet her there to meet up with them.
Unless someone followed the bus from the school parking lot all the way to Clingmans Dome...which i believe was a 45 min trip...no one knew where this class was going that day for her to make plans to run off with someone. And of all days to plan this, a school field trip seems way harder than just sneaking out of school, after school or sneaking out of your house to run off...why do it on a school field trip and bring none of your belongings, money or anything with you if it were planned?
Also, the boy her mother shot from what i remember was a black student who was obsessed with her and broke into their house. But teachers and students all gave him an alibi that he was in school that day and never left for any significant amount of time to get to clingmans dome, harm her, hide her body, then return to the school with no one noticing he was missing from classes that day.
If she went off trail where the kids said she did why did none of the search dogs track that path? They all tracked her scent at the bottom of the path by the dome going off in another direction.
My only guess is she went into the woods, possibly to use the restroom, got turned around and lost, found her way to a road and asked someone for a ride either to the parking lot where her field trip was meeting up or to a phone to call home...but someone probably saw a young girl crying, lost, panicking, and vulnerable and took advantage of the situation. My guess it was a crime of opportunity and she was either abducted off the side of the road or trusted that person to help her and she was taken out of the area immediately and harmed unfortunately.
Same I think this is the most likely scenario of all of them.
I’m curious where you heard this? That didn’t come up in any of the documentation I read.
@@TheLoreLodge just other videos I've watched about this case have mentioned what I stated above. 🤷🏻♀️
@@AmberVivicide Yeah, that's what I had heard too. And everyone was like 'uhhh... I'm not dressed for hiking...'
So, I was just at Cligman's dome/cherokee etc.....those forests are absolutely impenetrable and the tops of the hills covered in trees so if you get lost with zero outdoors experience you will be wandering.
If she didn't leave on purpose....my guess is she left the group to go into the bushes to use the restroom. You may even mention a shortcut so you don't have to tell someone you really gotta go. Then she falls and hits her head and passes out for a while. When she comes to there's no one around and is disoriented, concussed, and wanders further into the forest getting impossibly lost further away and dies eventually. Or that same thing happens and she finds the road and is picked up by the wrong person.
Side note: the 70s was absolutely wild and like a 30 year old and high schooler was not looked upon super favorable but def not unheard of. My parent's gym coach literally got a student pregnant, got married to her, and kept his job as a teacher. Insanity back then.
Heck, our basketball coach seduced one of the cheerleaders, married her, and kept his job in 1986. So gross.
About 5 years ago my wife and I couldn't get up to see Clingman's Dome because a woman had told her daughter she'd catch up in a minute 1mi up the AT from the parking lot. SAR found her body a week later in a wash. Died of exposure in October. Never underestimate the ability of your average unprepared person with no compass, no navigational skills, and no way of signaling for help to get lost in some trees and freeze to death because it got cold at night.
As someone else pointed out, based on the comment that she seemed in a hurry to leave, I'm inclined to believe that she wanted to go to the bathroom. Got off trail to do her business privately, that either took a while because things are like that somethimes, or she got a little lost, enough time for the whole group to pass her location.
Granted, I don't know how could she had reached the area the dogs picked up the scent without recognizing the trail she left in the first place, but the anxiety of going to the bathroom in the woods and then getting lost might have been enough for her to miss the right turn and continue past it. Then, she could have reached the road, and run into the wrong bastard- therefore being abducted. A very unfortunate series of events.
I'm inclined to believe there is a good amount of chance that someone picked her up from the road after getting lost, and that person is the reason she never turned up again.
I absolutely see not going to the first tree but a bit further in, just in the off chance someone does come along. From there, all it takes is not finding the way back to the trail.
Got your coffee for my dad for Fathers Day. It was delicious and will be buying some for myself.
I’m glad you liked it!
Coffee?????
I rest my case
One thing I learned years ago is that someone could be looking straight at me and still not see what I was doing, no misdirection involved. People don't really focus on what is in front of them; they are too busy thinking their own thoughts.
There is a video where a person dressed as a bear goes through a bunch of people doing some activity that makes you focus on them and most people do not even notice the person dressed as a bear.
This one hits me because she and I are the same age -- her and friends' yearbook pucs look like mine. So here's my thought: I wonder if she unexpectedly got her period and, out of embarrassment, hid in the brush off trail until she could figure out what to do. If her female friends were too far ahead to ask for a pad, she might've stayed in the brush, embarrassed, afraid, and then ... got too far behind. It seems silly, but it's impossible to describe the sheer horror of an unexpected period-accident to a teenage girl in the 70s. If a bear or other animal is attracted by the scent of blood, could she have been dragged off and killed? Just my two cents on a terribly tragic situation.
I think criticizing Paulidus should be done more. I frequently see these cases where he either omits publicly available information or outright makes things up to make cases more mysterious.
Bedtime Stories did a great vudeo a few years ago talking about cases he'd called Missing 411 that actually had obvious solutions if all the information available had been presented.
Might have had good intentions, maybe still does, but it seems awfully grifter-like behavior to me.
Bedtime and Wartime Stories is not independent but part of the media groups. They also muddy the waters and are laced with propaganda, tho it’s subtle. No thanks
Where I live, the phrase “the Y“ means a specific place where two main roads merge together on way to Show Low.
Hijacking just to confirm, as a person who grew up around this area, Aiden is 100% correct. If someone mentions 'The Y' in those mountains with no other context, the Townsend Wye swimming hole is for sure what they're talking about.
Why should David Paulides be exempt from peer review?
David Paulides UA-cam channel and comments section give me cult vibes.
I 100% agree with that. And I like his books.
I've seen comments disappear form his channel, that offer any kind of criticism, that would 'dispell' his version of a missing person case he labels with '411'. I seen one today get deleted. Took a screenshot of it as well, and posted it to another channel that was referred to in the comment.
I have also seen him get questioned about why he doesn't get the '411' peer reviewed. It was on his twitter. He claimed if the '411' was to be peer reviewed, whoever does it, would end up owning the rights to his so-called work, which is complete, and utter BS.
@@deerichardz he said in his latest video that he’s going to be going out of town but still uploading videos, he said, “I’m going to have to turn off the comments section, but UA-cam does that on their own so it might not even be because of me, anyways…”
He’s so manipulative and controlling. A cult leader perhaps?
@@deerichardzobviously a blatant lie from Paulides. Peer review has never worked that way.
@@BEDLAMITE-5280ft.agreed. UA-cam doesn’t randomly disable a video’s comment section
The only conclusion I am willing to make regarding Trenny's disappearance is that she seemed to walk out of the park. It may have been to meet someone down on the road or she was escorted out by someone else. The 4 or 5 dogs tracking to the same spot is the best evidence there is in this case. My question is why didn't Trenny get in touch with her family even a decade or two later if it was voluntary? I feel it didn't end well for Trenny. Was she duped and trafficked? Was she emotionally played by an abusive guy pretending to love her and sweep her away to their dream life? The initial leaving may have been voluntary but not hearing anything from her over the course of four plus decades to me implies something nefarious happened to her.
Those were the days when Heart's "Magic Man" was on the radio and nobody said wow, that's creepy, what's this girl doing living with an adult?
@@maryeckel9682
There was an unexpressed recognition that young girls had missing daddy issues and was looking for a father figure/ spouse. That was near the beginning of the era of the single mother epidemic. My second wife fell into that category. Her father died when she was eight and she had bonded with him. I was 11 years older than her and a single mother. My commitment to her made the marriage last 32 years thinking that eventually she will get over her abandonment issues but I was wrong.
Seems to me she had to go to the bathroom. She then wandered off the trail in order to get far enough away to not be seen by her classmates to avoid embarrassment. She probably got confused as to which way the trail was, panicked and then traveled further away from the trail. She either got hurt in her panic or died from exposure in the following days.
It seems to be a stretch that she made it to the road and then some other unfortunate event befell her.
Four separate dogs traced her to the road. That’s unlikely to be a coincidence. They also very thoroughly checked the immediate area, and she wasn’t there.
ngl every time I've heard of this story and how she supposedly went off the track my first thought is "oh she needed to pee"