Lauren Southern Twitter Argument BLOWS UP Into Heated Debate
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- DEBATE: Destiny and Lauren Southern debate AOC and the Jan 6 incident...
Date: 11 Jun, 2022
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"32? Shes a child to me"- Steven Bonell III , 33
I was wondering if he was like 40 or what lol
this woman arc is going swimmingly
Man must be part Italian
23*
How old is Melina
Bring back the fucking time stamps BRUHHH
He’s getting lazy
I listened to my 5yr old nephew call everybody bro and brah the entire weekend at a large family function🤣🤣🤣
this comment made my day
THIS is the content we need on UA-cam!
There’s a lot of people (myself included) that primarily just watch the UA-cam videos and not the streams. Please put out more content like this!
you arent really missing out on any exciting content, pretty much all of it gets uploaded eventually
You can literally watch the stream vods in Destiny Vault channel.
@@RanEncounter we don't have time to watch the whole streams, that's why we watch the UA-cam videos lol
@@LonnyH Who said you have to watch the whole thing? Vods are vods. You can skip to the parts you want to watch.
@@RanEncounter wait what? Why did you point out that there are vods in the first place?
OBJECTION! The witness keeps referring to himself as “ My friend”
This is disgusting, I can’t believe she would pronounce “trauma” and “process” like that.
Im sitting here fuming how does destiny just take that. “Trama” kill me ffs
Based
Lauren is Canadian
I can’t believe I’m seeing such racist comments aboot Canadians
@@TheDolphinTuna I'll own the process but Canadians don't own the TRAMA. She is fucked.
Steven was in fact not calm. Love this content lol
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1.Professor Kevin MacDonald serves on the editorial board and has
published widely in the White nationalist journal The Occidental Quarterly, a journal devoted to "the cultural, ethnic, and racial interests of Western European peoples,"i which has consistently tried to make “the case for inherited human inequality.”ii
2. MacDonald has advocated for the protection of the interests of
“White European” Americans: ideally through the creation of a white
ethnostate iii or failing that, through a return to the racially based restrictions of earlier U.S. immigration policy.iv
He argues that white Europeans in the United States should limit
non-white immigration in order to avoid “a substantial diminution of the
genetic, political, and cultural influence of these people [white
Europeans].”v
3. MacDonald's writings about Jews include the following:
a. repeated desciptions of Jews as a threat to white, European civilization vi
b. the characterization of Western anti-Semitism as a rational,
defensive response to the presence of Jews and
their “hyper-ethnocentrism” and collectivist culture; vii
c. description of his own work as “rational anti-Semitism; ”
d. the statement that he considers being called an anti-Semite a “badge of honor”;
e. The argument that Jews support cultural relativism, multicultural
policies and nonwhite
immigration to the United States in order to
undermine White European culture and maintain their
own positions of superiority.
4. Throughout his writings, Dr. MacDonald insists that his
generalizations about White Europeans, Jews, African-Americans and
other groups have a genetic basis, and that these groups can be
legitimately ranked along scales of positive and negative attributes,
including loyalty, intelligence and so forth. MacDonald has argued that
(Ashkenazic) Jews have specific abilities for intelligence, that White
Europeans have a genetic predisposition for individualism, and that
Blacks have lower abilities for intelligence. viii
WHEREAS the Department of Linguistics has affirmed that, “We firmly
and unequivocally disassociate ourselves from the positions on Jews,
African-Americans, immigrants and other minority groups that he [Kevin
MacDonald] has expressed in his writing and speech, and which have been
widely used to legitimate the discriminatory agendas of a variety of
hate groups who have associated themselves with his name”;
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Academic Senate defends Dr. Kevin MacDonald’s academic freedom and
freedom of speech, as it does for all faculty, it firmly and
unequivocally disassociates itself from the anti-Semitic and white
ethnocentric views he has expressed.
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For good reason.
@@Ouzzel Destiny making an arguement: Out of blood!
What a banger
Destiny was on fire, rapping like a god and lauren was braindead. The only thing i didnt like is destiny keep saying "attack on democratic process, etc etc." He should say "attack on america" which it was, but apparently conservatives doesnt understand anything unless "america" word is used.
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1.Professor Kevin MacDonald serves on the editorial board and has
published widely in the White nationalist journal The Occidental Quarterly, a journal devoted to "the cultural, ethnic, and racial interests of Western European peoples,"i which has consistently tried to make “the case for inherited human inequality.”ii
2. MacDonald has advocated for the protection of the interests of “White European” Americans: ideally through the creation of a white ethnostate iii or failing that, through a return to the racially based restrictions of earlier U.S. immigration policy.iv
He argues that white Europeans in the United States should limit
non-white immigration in order to avoid “a substantial diminution of the
genetic, political, and cultural influence of these people [white
Europeans].”v
3. MacDonald's writings about Jews include the following: a. repeated desciptions of Jews as a threat to white, European civilization vi
b. the characterization of Western anti-Semitism as a rational,
defensive response to the presence of Jews and
their “hyper-ethnocentrism” and collectivist culture; vii
c. description of his own work as “rational anti-Semitism; ”
d. the statement that he considers being called an anti-Semite a “badge of honor”;
e. The argument that Jews support cultural relativism, multicultural
policies and nonwhite
immigration to the United States in order to
undermine White European culture and maintain their
own positions of superiority.
4. Throughout his writings, Dr. MacDonald insists that his
generalizations about White Europeans, Jews, African-Americans and
other groups have a genetic basis, and that these groups can be
legitimately ranked along scales of positive and negative attributes,
including loyalty, intelligence and so forth. MacDonald has argued that
(Ashkenazic) Jews have specific abilities for intelligence, that White
Europeans have a genetic predisposition for individualism, and that
Blacks have lower abilities for intelligence. viii
Psycho Idiot Bastard Is the Department of Linguistics affirmed that, “We firmly
and unequivocally disassociate ourselves from the positions on Jews,
African-Americans, immigrants and other minority groups that the
Psycho Idiot Bastard [Kevin MacDonald] has expressed in his writing and speech, and which have been widely used to legitimate the discriminatory agendas of a variety of
hate groups who have associated themselves with his name”; Psycho Idiot Bastard
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Slippery Steve at it again! XD
Am i too vanced for this comment?
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Those donation alerts are driving me mad. Last week it went of 50 f**ng times in a row and never got muted.
It's too much to ask that "I invited streaming" Destiny to make his content listenable
DIDNT SAY SIMON SAYS
BRRRRRRR
Gotta keep that money coming in lol. The audio is probably an incentive for some people
Nothing better than hearing "EURO COCK" being screamed in Trumps voice 200 times
Name the time and place...Obama...true Lauren
this debate was TRAMATISING
unhinged haha 31:21
So tramatising for Laran
watching this through I can only come to the conclusion that lauren and destiny are clearly in love and they are obsessed
Match made in heaven. They will have an extremist centrist baby like the Buffalo shooter.
🤣🤣🤣
Stephen has 0 love,he doesn't know what it means
Agreed. One day he will admit his burning love and hate for the tradcon soon to be progressive love interest that is Lauren Southern.
I mean can you blame him tho???
Destiny and Lauren arguing is really good content they should just start a weekly podcast at this point.
But I thought Destiny was best friends with her and they agree on everything! 😆😉
The DL podcast
Can Lauren handle weekly embarrassment?
But that means I'd have to hear Lauren talk. FeelsWeirdMan
@@caseypdx503 he doesn't argue with her like he argues with other people. He gets emotional because he cares about her. He doesn't humiliate her and make her look stupid and weak like he's capable of doing, because he doesn't want to do that to his bff.
Destiny’s debates have been some of the most entertaining as of late more than anyone else in the same space.
the funny thing is is that the crowd was literally chanting "hang mike pence" with a literal noose hanging on the grounds of the capital, but everyone in this comments just forgot about that
Bro imagine how bad this shit was because people believed something was going to happen January 6th, my biggest example is the grifter Christian walker
Kathy griffin
It's called an effigy....
Tbh that is an American institution. If you're not hung in effigy once are you even a politician.
AOC was literally the member of congress who was too scared to go to the designated safe area. She was also the only one who was too scared to listen to the police. She's also the only one who accused a member of congress of trying to have her killed. And again, she wasn't even at the Capitol. In other words, she's being a ridiculous person, and her "trauma" deserves to be mocked.
What if AOC and Ted Cruz play Among Us together and he often pushes to get her voted out as an imposter? She just forgot to specify "in a video game" at the end of her tweet.
AOC, MTG, and a Rabbi walk into a bar and AOC and MTG leave because they both hate Jews
Thought this stream was going to get boring after Lauren left but her coming back to re-anger destiny was great.
also truly loving this new trend of throwing money at arguments
yeah, destiny's position is basically "if you are going to act that confident that you are right, you better be willing to bet money on it, or you're full of shit." i agree with him.
@@westingtyler1 thank you for explaining that to me
@@tiioga8053 Mansplainer moment
@@seth0417 are you mansplaining to her that he is mansplaining?
@@seth0417 fuck I haven't laughed that hard at a comment in a very long time
Your take on Jan 6th is cringe af and nothing more than audience capture.
wow! very big brain comment
@@Lightningkuriboh So 800 idiots with an invisible fire extinguisher are a threat to our democracy?
OK Mr. big brain, what exactly was it that Trump said that invoked the riots?
Would it have been ok if he said China rigged the election and ran a 3 year coup against Biden instead?
Destiny is 100% unhinged and wrong about AOC. [at least in the 1st 15mins]
To this day she cries about it.
I’m so excited for the scheduled follow up next week
Should have called her out on what she accused you. If she has no idea of what actually happened, why did she respond to AOC in the first place?
Because Lauren feels so confident about the topics
@@loganpro101 okay I guess so
Like destiny or any of us do?
So what actually happened?
@@LetsGetitBoah Kids knocked on door, tried getting candy, and a lead projectile hit 1 in the head.
For some reason I like him arguing with his friends he actually gets insulted by them.
“It’a not my job to educate you” is probably one of the worst things to say in a debate. It feels like making an argument from a losing position. This debate is for the audience, not Lauren. You’re trying to make your case to the audience. When you won’t explain your ideas it feels like you are disingenuous, or you don’t understand your own beliefs.
I'm pretty sure this debate was for Lauren lol. I understand what you're saying, but I would argue he's not thinking about the audience here he's thinking about the person he's talking too. Also I think he said that because Lauren didn't do the research for the Ted Cruz story, and she's trying to make him on the spot look up quotes which details the debate into one that's about reading and a bunch of quiet time, which I don't think Destiny wanted to do at that time.
I think that was more about the fact that Lauren thinks she knows everything about January 6th because she was there, when she clearly hasn't done any research into what happened that she couldn't directly see or hear. She's talked about it so much and her understanding of it has always been terrible because she just assumes that she knows exactly what happened at every time and place because she saw some of it.
This wasn’t a debate though. Plus it’s not that he didn’t want to explain his ideas it’s more that he didn’t want to have to explain the entire event, like a play by play. That would take HOURS and would just an easy way for Lauren to get out of actually engaging with her claims
Why is he dying on this hill? Just admit that AOC telling Ted Cruz "you tried to get me killed" is an overreaction. Trying to justify it is unwinnable
Think he said it was a tad hyperbolic
@@jarrettgunhouse9529 So why was he reaching so hard for like 40 minutes trying to justify it?
@@TheRiviaWitcher because being a tad bit hyperbolic doesnt really change the fact that there is some justification to the statement. How big the fish was does not change the fact it was caught. On top of that lauren southern uses this hyperbole whenever it suits her
@@Chaelsonen "trying to get me killed" implies intent on Cruz's part which is a pretty gross hyperbole in my opinion. Her statement does not seem to be justified, and if it is then Destiny failed to demonstrate how.
@@TheRiviaWitcher "pretty gross hyperbole" is in itself pretty gross hyperbole, its 3 words, 2 of them contradict eachother but all meaning really super duper, extra?
This all started because of Steven's AOC dream 💀
I had a dream that AOC got stuck in the hayloft and I was her step bro. But it was pimply so I didn't do it. Anyway take care.
AOC Dream?
This is probably the closest we get to a 2016 Destiny in a while and I'm loving it
You need to find different things to love my guy, A few gold nuggets from Destiny is not something to get excited over. (He wants that pussy) that's the only reason lauren is continuing to appear on his channel.
I also love gladiator. Even named my son Maximus. Most important part of the convo was the gladiator take gj.
can you pass on my condolences to your son please
So that’s how he became mr girl
@@krad1314 Exactly
L
Crrrrrringe!
I think I could get on board with defending AOC's tweet if she had said something like "almost got me killed". But "trying to get me killed" is too directly accusatory, at least from what I know of the situation currently. Maybe if Cruz was pointing to her directly as one of the major players in "the steal" or something her tweet might closer to defensible.
@@ade8890 I guess I just see a meaningful difference between the exasperated, in the moment exclamation uttered by the parent in the car vs. a tweet/written statement after the fact. I think the further you deviate from the common phrase the more time that has passed after the event the more people are going to take you literally.
I looked up the tweet and the text is: "I am happy to work with Republicans on this issue where there’s common ground, but you almost had me murdered 3 weeks ago so you can sit this one out. Happy to work w/ almost any other GOP that aren’t trying to get me killed. In the meantime if you want to help, you can resign."
Maybe I could forgive the "trying to get me killed" in isolation, but in light of the previous: "almost had me murdered" the whole tweet seems pretty reckless IMHO.
@@ade8890 You think "Almost had me murdered" is a further extension of what you illustrated, I do not. I believe it too directly implies intent, and thus is a dangerous exaggeration. If AOC was inciting violence against the GOP I would probably agree that she is trying to get republicans killed. Though maybe something like Milkshaking would be violence, but without serious danger of killing. But advocating for any kind of violence is an extremely dangerous precedent, as you have no idea whether the people listening will take it further than you wanted. I might not agree that she was trying to get a specific Republican killed. The one level of removal of Ted's actions further breaks the analogy for me. He supported the overthrowing of our democratic election, and this resulted in violence, rather than he incited violence and this resulted in violence.
I feel like the usage of "what are you trying to get me killed" type of phrases is mostly right after a near miss. Let's say one of my coworkers, Steve, did something stupid and reckless and nearly got me killed. I think it would be perfectly fine to shout something like: "Steve's trying to get me killed!" right after it happens. It might even be fine to bring it up in the future half joking, but maybe also to embarrass him or poke fun at him: "Remember that time that Steve tried to kill me?" But it is different to seriously and not in the heat of the moment frame it with as much intention is I believe she does. But at the end of the day it seems like we have different ideas around proper usage and parsing of language, and that is just going to vary with individuals.
@Ade It still doesn't seem like you quite understand me. I do see how encouraging right wing extremism is dangerous for democrats, and if a lawyer/the state can make a case against Ted or Trump for their rhetoric being criminal I would be interested in the result but probably not have too many feelings about it.
While there is precident for using language in such a way broadly, the phrasing and context in this specific case feel like reckless exaggeration. It looks like AOC phrased it that way to characterize Ted as something closer to malevolent rather than dumb and reckless. This is effective messaging no doubt, but bending the truth or dishonest framing like this seems to only increase division, radicalisation, and violence. While AOC's use of language is not nakedly and obviously this, I see it as a step too far in that direction.
Edit: I also don't see AOC's tweet as that abnormal, a lot of politicians put this level of spin on the truth, but it is bad every time.
It wasn't an exaggeration it was an outright lie
I guess. But, the guy that failed to "assassinate" Reagan wasn't hired or told to do so.
So Lauren using that word or "murder" is accurate enough.
Destiny really thinks Jan 6 is worse than 99.9% of bad events that happened in America... I mean, at least he pointed out 9/11 was worse...
Steven is totally wrong here. If AOC said something like "Cruz's actions led to a dangerous situation where I felt my life was in danger," that would be one thing. But her using the word "trying" to get her killed is totally different and preposterous.
So you think it would be a complete misuse of language if someone talking about a time they almost got hit by a drunk driver said "They were trying to kill me!"?
@@jakoblynas8016 100% Yes
I'll add that Destiny used a similar example, but when he said it (in one version) he said "It's 'like' they were trying kill me' and that word "like" changes the sentence in an interesting way that proves my point. "Like" = "as if" - it's "as if they were trying to kill me" So the effect of their driving drunk would be the same effect as if they were driving with intent to kill me.
And by comparing two different actions implies that they are indeed two different actions "trying to kill" versus "driving drunk"
@@ExperimentalGamer81 I agree that the "like" in that instance made it disanalogous, I felt so at the time of hearing it. But that was only one instance, and in the others, you have to acknowledge that they are entirely realistic, if strictly incorrect, uses of language, of the kind that occur all the time, with a pretty clear meaning in the context.
@@jakoblynas8016 I don't agree there's any room for varied interpretations around the word "try"
@@ExperimentalGamer81 So the scenario of someone describing the drunk driving situation by saying "They were trying to kill me!" is unfathomable to you?
I really love that all the sudden right wingers are very very focused on the exact meaning of words in their most literal interpretation after years and years of ignoring how downright incoherent Trump is in every one of his statements. It makes this whole thing feel extra bad faith because it is literally impossible to be consistent and approve of the way Trump uses words and also think AOC was out of line
They consistently want to own the libs so that counts right?
Trump isn't as incoherent as the MSM clips out of context make him out to be. He's still crazy, but there was a six year hit job focused on making him look worse.
@@silverzippo2136 Thats true for every politician tho
@@BenReillySpydr1962 Yes but the point is right wingers that support don't seem to think that for him.
@@LewdConnoisseur Maybe that's because our entire lives are not focused on Trump and we can also support someone without agreeing with every word out of his mouth? 🤔 Just a thought.
like i get it, i understand destiny thinks one day he’ll be able to smash, but man it aint worth it.
Lol only one way to find out though
To be honest smashing "queen nazi" herself is not a small feat
I can’t tell if your talking about Lauren or AOC lmao
Destiny has TDS bad
TDS isn't real
Yo. AOC wasn't even there though. That's why Lauren is rolling her eyes at AOC.
Remember that AOC also claimed that she didnt trust the secret police because they were white men
@@justifiably_stupid4998 Can't forget that. I just thought my comment was more pertinent to the overall argument but that would be a buzzer beater to pull out receipts on what you brought up lol
The capital building across the street is getting stormed and flooded by tens of thousands of people. You see smoke and breaking glass. Trump signs and American flags. People calling for democrat heads. I’m sure I’d be scared for my life as the literal face of the young left movement.
It makes sense it unnerved her but calling it traumatic is a bit much
@@paderones13 have you ever been a political prisoner?
Of course this would be Lauren’s position!
C’mon Destiny, do you forget that this kind of accusation was labeled against her? That her rhetoric led to political violence and she always rejected it?
If she agrees with you she will be undermining her own position and accepting her own guilt on past violence.
it's so true, if Cruz's rhetoric had led to bloodshed, then her, supporting Cruz and trump and modern rightwing as a whole, did too. and she cant take that responsibility.
This
I had a Bernie Bro wish death upon me recently, boy… I sure hope he don’t show up to a baseball game
Destiny’s rhetoric leads to violence, especially via terror organisations like BLM
@@wwlittlejOfficial Yeah lets not talk about the summer of love and peacefull ''protests''
AOC is also targeted by lots of right-wing pundits and voters OBSESSIVELY. I can understand why it would be a bit traumatic.
Exactly. I was thinking of this as well. Lauren is a liar or autustic.
She does make up like 10% of fox coverage given there are 200+ other house dems to talk about……
AOC brings it on herself Every. Single. Time.
Lauren stop triggering Destiny he needs to work on his Manifesto smh
"it's not my job to educate you" WAS a pretty cringe moment tbh, let's not use that line ever again
There's no doubt in my mind that Lauren actually knows how serious 1/6 was.
Anyone still claiming that Trump isn't directly responsible for the violence that day is either a lost cause or lying to you.
Lmao not only is he not responsible the dems are far more responsible by doing their shady maneuvering that caused bidens win look so illegitimate, and honestly in a world where we care about fair play and transparency it was illegitimate. It was legal but it definitely wasn't fair or at all the agreed upon game
Never thought I’d say this but I really enjoy watching Destiny and Lauren Southern debate. Their friendship is kinda cute
Their sexual tension is intense.
@@Rokaize LMAO bruh
@@Rokaize ur a virgin
I’m not sure if it’s intentional or not, but Lauren changed AOC’s actual tweet and kept reiterating it. AOC actually said “you almost had me murdered”, while Lauren kept repeating “he tried to get me killed”. I read Lauren’s version as AOC implying intention to Ted Cruz while her actual tweet seems to be accusing Cruz of incompetency or negligence not malice. Really disappointing the conversation got stuck here when the actual discussion probably should’ve focused more on whether or not there was lethal neglect.
If someone were to say, “X had Y murdered.” or “You had me attacked.” that would be interrupted as a deliberate, malicious, and intentional action.
Good point.
Thats directly implying Cruz orchestrated a means of attempting to directly have AOC killed. So yes it clearly is highlighting the intent implication cruz when its clearly not the case. Cruz never wanted people dead, he wanted similarly to many other people, for the government to conduct proper national audit of the election before confirming Joe Biden or the results as provided. But every democrat and in part mainstream republican were blinking like glassy eyed goldfish ignoring the obvious that people had concern on the basis of the vote and it thus lead to January 6th.
I understand it like this: "X *caused* the murder of Y".
Now this can be either intentional or not, depending on the context
@@SuboptimalPrime I think “had” implies intention. Like if you use it in the future-tense “I have to go to the store”. Now “got” would work like “I almost got into a car accident”. It’s small, but that detail should matter on this scale of an accusation.
destiny felt bad faith here, not a conservative btw
Lauren is in bad faith, not a liberal btw.
How so? I felt Lauren was being bad faith asking what did Ted Cruz say, to tie him to j6 potential violence. Meanwhile ted Cruz was going to vote to decertify the election.
Lol when they went to DC I remember lauren confused the capitol with the White House she literally doesnt know the difference.
I think the "trying" portion was a bit odd but overall destiny is absolutely correct
Bad take, Steven. "Trying to get me killed" is very different from "Almost got me killed". The word "trying" implies there is an intent to kill and it's not just an unintended consequence of your actions.
Even in your own example you said "It was like he was trying to kill me".
You didn't say "He was trying to kill me!" It was like (it looked like) and literally claiming you tried to kill me...very different.
Have you never heard someone ask “are you trying to get me killed?!” when someone does something incredibly stupid or dangerous? That’s exactly what Trumps enablers did when they caused so much outrage and hatred over a lie. Jan 6 was the result.
Exactly, he fell for LS misquote and directional wording.
I agree. Destiny is really reaching here. I can't even understand why?
@@eleccy I think u need to re-read the comment.
@@wwlittlejOfficial Explain?
“Vaush didn’t say to kill anyone”
Destiny literally has a video titled “Vaush says to shoot through windows” lol
Because Vaush didn’t technically say to go out and kill people. That was the point… Someone technically not saying something, doesn’t mean they aren’t saying it. Let alone insinuating it…
@@DDogg43777 Vaush said if a group of proudboys goes through a protest zone with guns then people should be able to shoot through windows at them.
Ted Cruz questioned the results of the election.
Big difference.
@@DDogg43777 Yep. I wanted to help guide destiny and Lauren through this debate so much, because they (her in particular) got so caught up in the entire intent part of "getting me killed". In which case being dumb and negligent is okay as long as the intent isn't there (in Laurens opinion). It's very obvious that a politician shouldn't be that negligent, and legally you can still be held accountable for your lack of IQ or negligence depending on the circumstances.
I really don't like Laurens way of making every debate be about semantics, rather than the topic at hand.
@@karsten9387 She is using the word in its literal sense. Destiny is the one twisting it and getting caught up in semantics.
@@nb4411 words have implications and its important to see what someone is saying not just in a literal sense
Lauren "everyone is bad faith but me" Southern
Love "Strawman" Baltazar (esq With no good Arguments)
“Jan 6 is as important as 9/11”
- Destiny.
Yeah, what weak statement, a direct insurrectionary assault on the federal government and democracy itself, the system under which the entirety of America is run, is obviously way more important and impactful on the lives of everyone in America than a single terrorist attack on New York..
That could only come out of the mouth of someone that was in like middle school back then.
He used 9/11 to say something along the lines of "worst since" to illustrate that the right apparently disagrees with this statement as they don't consider the 6th to have been such a big deal.
@@WillmobilePlus A brilliant non sequitur. In Like middle school like literally like.
Based
Destiny is legit unhinged
This feels like he’s just postering.. He loves democrats
Seems like destiny has a msnpc level understanding of Jan 6th.
Can you help me out and tell me where you get your info about what happened?
@@tcritt watch the videos of it. Some areas had really violent people. Others had people walking through in the designated areas and looking around. Some entrances had people fight cops to get in while others had cops telling the protestors "I dont agree with you, but I respect your protest" while holding the door open.
@@barneystinson2781 Yeah, seen them. What's your point? The guys walking about calmly don't make the other shit better. It just means not everyone was violent or involved in something with the same level of premeditation. The thing is though... nobody is saying they were. What's your special non-MSNBC insight I'm supposed to be gleaning from your comment?
Some of us remember Lauren's breakthrough video for rebel media when she walked into the antifa section of a brexit protest, wearing a union jack hat to rile them up and when one of them took it off her head and threw it in a bin she went off saying she was assaulted and generally played the victim TF
Ok, did she seriously do that? Do you have any source? I mean, she is despicable af, but that would be horrendously pathetic even for her…
Yes women in mini skirts are asking for it also...........
I dk why you'd encourage unsafe environment
@@Lion-hj7ch whatever you say mr grapist
@@cineastik8220 if you seriously want proof it's "Lauren Southern attacked by anti-fascist thugs in London". rebel news cut out the preamble of her riling the protesters and starts from the moment they get sick of her shit.
Sure they shouldn't have shown aggression or laid hands on her but she got exactly the reaction she was fishing for.
Such great journalism.
I mean that is still absolutely physical assault if it happened….
Was it unprovoked, no but that still is assault.
The only good thing about politics being online is you can see that literally everyone involved is bat shit crazy
what did Lauren say that was "bat shit crazy"?
Philodox “trama”
If a person's entire living depends on their political position, like Lauren's is.. Do we honestly think we could ever get her to honestly change her mind? It'd risk torpedoing her among her base, potentially tanking her income streams, right? So what do we do?
yeah but, some of them are trying to jump wagons but just cant because of their past.
Politics and youtbubers or live streamers have years of content, many regulars are jumping to the politics side. H3H3 for example, using hasan to show people he hates ted cruz or what ever. btw destiny is a pioner of this shit
We need a Lauren Southern redemption arc where she cuts her hair and she's paraded around constitution ave while antifa boos her as redemption
No we can't reasonably expect that. You're right, she's in too deep. That's why there's no point engaging with her besides pointed criticism.
Maybe i'm biased because i'm Australian, but her content inspired an Australian neo-nazi to gun down 51 innocent men women and children. She has not learned or grown since that. Early on she realised she could make a quick buck peddling white replacement conspiracy nonsense, and it led to people dying. I would say the same about any of the other content creators who's views influenced the Christchurch killer. She's beyond saving or helping, just like they are.
Destiny is being horrifically irresponsible (or being taken advantage of) every single time he speaks with her, or speaks positively about her. She's a cancerous stain on public discourse.
That is literally true for everyone related to politics bro
You don't fight political pundits in the hope of changing their minds. You do in the hopes of changing their audience's minds.
Lauren fans have infiltrated this comment section lol
I like Destiny but i like Lauren even more
Some riots are worse than others because of the amount of damage done or lives lost?
Yes???
some are but not in this context
I think he was trying to say that Jan 6th wasn't damaging in the same type of way - that instead of heavy property damage and loss of life, it resulted in damage to people's faith and trust in the system.
@@Darklordiban7 that’s a very entitled response that the deaths of people don’t matter against the harm done to the process. I’m not saying you’re saying that but it’s a really shitty perspective.
@@markgoodhart6258 The election lie, fake news etc.. rhetoric is really really bad. It's amazing how many people don't realize this. It's dictator 101 playbook. No faith and trust in systems can easily lead to civil wars which would lead to way more death and property damage than BLM.
@@Darklordiban7 you didn't need j6 for that to happen. It's inevitable given how incompatible our cultures are at this point. likely to see more similar events going forward. Case in point the media riling up lefties to try and assassinate supreme court judges.
You know what is really liberating? Being a free agent. Lauren is on team conversative so she has defend Jan 6th. Just let it go. Disavow the idiots and move on with your life.
I'm on team conservative and I don't defend Jan 6th. It was an embarrssment and it showed me some of those cries from the left were legitimate. Trumptards are almost as lobotomised as progressives. I struggle with who's worse
@@kurtadams9740 So going to back to this free agent thing. I can literally say yeah the Democrats are acting extremely hypocritical and have some very selective amnesia regarding the last 6 years. So here is my fair and consistent prescription when BLM says "Fry them like Bacon" regarding killing cops and MAGA peeps say "Hang Mike Pence" with nooses regarding sitting VP who is trying to ratify an election, your credibility is severely damaged and the onus is on you to win it back. Doesn't matter how justified you were until your rhetoric crosses that line.
So when you can't see replies, does it mean that person is shadow banned or they deleted the post?
@@Anans1_Spyd3r You tell me man cause I just have the reply gone
@@Anans1_Spyd3r I've been wondering for a long time sometimes you can see em on incognito mode but some just don't show up for whatever reason
Destiny "Show me the AOC Quote..." Lauren provides the tweet with quote.
Lauren, "Show me the Ted Cruz Quote.',,," Destiny, "I'm not here to educate you."
When destiny asked for a quote it was literally the specific quote they were arguing over. One that they had both seen before; he just wanted to check what it said.
Lauren was asking for multiple quotes from someone in the middle of a conversation that was not planned at all. Her whole thing was wanting to get quotes of him saying, or eluding, that he wants to have AOC killed.. which is stupid for a multitude of reasons, one being that she never said "have me killed" she said "get me killed". You can get someone killed be putting them in a dangerous situation, however having someone killed can ONLY mean hiring or coercing people to kill someone. What AOC said was definitely a bit too over the top but it's incredibly far removed from what lauren is accusing her of saying...
Especially since if you actually listen to the start of the convo, destiny only really needs to explain how her fears were justified. He'd already said she could've worded it better.
@@elliedavies7138 So, do you think, if someone can not prove a specific incriminating statement was made, maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't use it in an argument, as a statement of fact? Because doing that makes it look like the person is just making things up to prove a point?
@@papabull8993 it's almost like you didn't read the part about "have someone killed" versus "get someone killed"...
His endorsement of trump and his speech could have got people killed. That's different than him having someone killed.. like as in hiring someone to kill someone else
Lauren in fact never came back for the conversation lol
Me @ a bad Uber driver: Jesus, are you trying to get me killed!?
Uber driver: Look here ma'am if you're gonna accuse me of trying to assassinate you I'm gonna have to end the ride
Normally agree with Destiny takes, but Lauren is more correct here lol
You can take the Steve out of Nebraska, but you can't take the Nebraska out of Steve
Making popcorn rn
Crazy that people take Lauren serious.
Question for destiny. If the election one of the most important institutions then why get super buttmad over the call for audits? Are you perhaps not confident in the claim 2020 elections are the most secure in history, or is it that you blindly hold that claim as absolute fact.
This is Destiny we’re talking about he blindly takes whatever mainstream news says as fact.
It's getting harder and harder to tell if Lauren is bad faith or actually dumb
I'm a Destiny fan, and I gotta say he looked unhinged here. AOC is being ridiculous, and Steven not recognizing that is even more ridiculous. AOC was literally the only member of congress who did not trust the capital police, and she is the only member of congress who accused Ted Cruz (or any other Senator) of trying to have her murdered. Also, there is zero evidence Cruz's rhetoric even comes close to that of Vaush's. I hate to say it, but this is Steven's Scalia fascist moment, and all of his faux righteous indignation and anger can't cover up the fact that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Yes.
I felt the same way about destiny
I mean he’s actually arguing that saying someone is trying to get me killed is some people said things that made others not do anything but I felt like someone might kill me. I mean, that’s why he’s screaming the whole time. He has no point but wants everyone to think Lauren is the crazy one
Lol, destiny uses ad hominem attack but believes saying it’s not makes it so
Typical lefty logic
Both is the pretty easy answer here.
Most insanely true thing Destiny said, "wait 6 months". I'm actually an ex Vaush fan turned Destiny fan in 2021, purely because Vaush posed him as bad faith in the Rittenhouse debates, I thought he was unhinged till more facts came out, and now I'm a proud Daliban agent. In shallah we will prevail
I love isarel Gon
Inshallah brother, Destiny shall bless your heart in the fight against the infidels, Daliban forever
Alhamdulillah!! You have arrived on the omnilogically good side
They are arguing about whether killed means with intent or without intent but it means both. It depends on context. Killed by drunk driver,killed be serial killer. The argument is did Cortez mean with intent or without intent
"Trying " to get "me" killed. Not "put me and everyone else at risk of death". It's pretty explicit
Destiny, it’s not undermining the electoral process to advocate for the full electoral process to be used rather than the simple rubber stamp. The protest was super cringe but where were the guns if it was an insurrection? Surely they’re the gun owning type, and why would insurrectionists honor DC gun laws?
This is one of the single biggest blind spots people like Destiny have.
Ted Cruz, a LAWYER, making a LEGAL claim, using the LEGAL process to undermine an election is NOWHERE NEAR the same level as something like Russiagate that actually resulted in sitting members of Trump's administration getting unconstitutionally investigated and arrested over fabricated claims of fraud.
Protests aren’t cringe riots are
Let's also completely ignore the fact that opposing electors is a totally normal aspect of the losing side and democrats did the exact same thing when Trump was being certified in 2017...
I'm 99% sure that Destiny would completely be taking Laurens position on AOCs delusions if this were a Republican in similar circumstances and saying the same things.
Nah, Destiny is right, it's the opposite. If BLM was storming the capitol Lauren would be jumping in defending the Republicans talking about their PTSD and blaming the inflammatory rhetoric from Democrats. I think Destiny would agree.
Steve makes fun of Lauren for saying to link an exact tweet at 29:55, and then not even 15 seconds later he unironically wants Lauren to link her an exact tweet at 30:07. Steve lost this debate so hard and was being ridiculously bad faith and uncharitable. At no point did he ever try to steel man her position and the fact that he was so triggered shows just how badly he was owned.
Please tell me you're not this stupid
You need a brain transplant if you come away from this conversation thinking Destiny is the one who looks bad
You Lauren simps are a trip.
Destiny lost this. He has TDS.
It's a two way street.
I wonder about Steven's thoughts on the guy that was arrested and admitted he was going to assassinate Kavanaugh. Is Chuck Schumer responsible because of his rhetoric? I'm only 45 minutes into the video so maybe this does get brought up.
We don't talk about that, nor Rand Paul getting a punctured lung from an attack, nor Steve Scalise and other Republicans getting shot at. We have to respect AOC having PTSD from something in the building across the street from her.
@@TeecueDee across the street AND at a different time then when she started her panic.
No destiny definitely wouldn’t because destiny honestly doesn’t give a shit what the Democrats do he only complains about Republicans even though Democrats can do much worse and have them much worse. Do you notice how he calls Donald Trump one of the most fascist presidents but ignores the fact that Joe Biden literally set up a Ministry of truth, and also wanted to force people to take a vaccine. I don’t think Destiny even knows what the word fascist means.
@@TeecueDee Yeah got to respect a self-righteous bartender know it all.
@@TeecueDee are u insane? THIS WAS AN ATTEMPT AT AN INSURRECTION OF THE CAPITOL BY THE PRESIDENT u clown. It wasn't one random guy.
This is really reaching. This is like old Destiny again, like I've stepped back in time 3 years and you're just trying to rhetoric your way into a win.
How is it reaching? The AOC tweet implies gross negligence, and Lauren appears to not understand that word choice matters when she says shit like “assassinate”.
@@cambienvenu "trying" implies intent, not gross negligence. Destiny was reaching hard and I dont even understand why he wouldnt just admit AOC was overreacting on this one and move on.
@@cambienvenu Impressive double somersault, now do the triple backflip mental gymnastic please? Nah but to be serious, I don't think that's the implication at all of her tweet, and I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion.
And since it's such a serious accusation, AOC shouldn't have made it unless she can really back it up - and she can't.
@@TheRiviaWitcher good thing AOC never said trying, she said "almost had". That is Lauren's dumb misquoting and Destiny shouldn't of let her get away with it.
@@Seasmhach Wait really? They both kept repeating the word trying dozens of times and she never even said it? Lol, That entire debate was worthless then.
Destiny lost this one. I see a pattern here of him getting really excited and upset when he is behind the 8 ball.
I think their relationship is one of the more important things in the political sphere.
It has the potential to demonstrate the ability to be friends with someone who has opposite political views from yourself, something a lot more common 50 years ago.
I hope the can remain friends.
yep back when both sides agreed that the blacks and mexicans need to stay out of our neighborhood and schools (joe biden was against "forced busing" in the 70's), the political options were small and disagreement with the state was un-american because the commies were around the corner. Jokes aside anyone who lies to your face like Lauren does not have respect for you they don't see you as a friend they see you as putty for them to mold and manipulate
Sorry I ain’t gonna be friends with someone who’s policy prescriptions lead to my quality of life plummeting.
@@evaahh9584 understandable, what concerns do you specifically have from your opposing political party?
Lauren won this
Lauren won this by being weasally asf
@@WELSHGAMER99 Well that wouldn't be winning then, would it?
@@WELSHGAMER99 lol you’re delusional
@@mcgarbagenuggets8793 and you have no argument
@@WELSHGAMER99 no point in arguing with someone who’s delusional 🫠
I usually side with Destiny on this but I think someone saying "this guy's trying to kill me" about some rando or a friend is vastly different from a politician saying "you tried to kill me/you're trying to kill me" to another politician so extremely politically opposed to them.
I hate when people start going through what people wrote on twitter instead of just asking what they believe.
AOC even spoke about her experience. But bc she was in another building connected to the capital, she’s apparently supposed to know the insurrections plan into what and where they were going. Which is in Lauren’s bad faith argument. She’s absolutely going off only tweets and her bias.
I’m not claiming there is or ever was voter fraud but mail in ballots are the easiest way to commit voter fraud.
Now if only Republicans had *any* evidence of it ever in *any* of the states it had been implimented in for decades.
Daily reminder that lauren doesnt know the difference between the White House and the capitol and her job is to talk american politics professionally.
As a Canadian living in Australia.
@@andrewstarr8062 then why's her name southern? Checkmate
I'm so sore-y for your traama, AOC.
Is-lamb
Neither of them seem to have picked up on the difference between "you almost had me murdered" and "you TRIED to have me murdered". The first doesn't require intentionality, and it absolutely covers actions that result from irresponsible rhetoric.
@@dogeatdog6157 Of course. "Have me murdered" CAN mean that it's intentional. But I'm just saying that it doesn't NECESSARILY mean that.
Frankly I don't think that even AOC would stand by the idea that Cruz actively attempted to get people to murder her. It's a fairly absurd position to defend.
The more relevant conversation is about whether his rhetoric contributed to what happened, and whether he therefore carries a meaningful portion of the moral responsibility.
@@dogeatdog6157 yes because what people know about the structure of the mob implies that direct orders were given to a hit man. This was a riot directly or otherwise instigated by politicians, you can say that those politicians almost had people killed without always saying that it was with intent.
"Traaama" lol
Destiny 0 Lauren 6
The January 6th event was a mostly peaceful protest.
As a European January 6th definitely isn't nearly as big of a significant event than 9/11 and on the world stage the failed pullout from Afghanistan was far more significant as a national embarrassment than Jan 6th. The problem is nothing actually happened, if something did actually happen then it would be significant but it's being framed by destiny as if it was moments away from trump seizing a dictatorship over the US.
Did he ever say it effected the world like 9/11? I just remember him saying its one of the most fucked things to Happen in US history. I'm sure the effects it had here were obviously way different than in europe.
@@qmanization2375 if it actually was significant we would know about it. From all I can tell is they just stuck a national guard at Washington DC afterwards and then biden assumed presidency. There was no uprising, no rebellion nothing following it other than media noise.
@@LukeHarpercouk that's such a silly point. First of all you do know about it. Second 9/11 was a threat to not justAmerica, so of course there was more hysteria (plus so many people died) third, just because it wasn't globally significant, doesn't mean it isn't incredibly significant in the US. The president tried to undermine the election, with state representatives that align with them politically did everything to back them up. If things went a little different it would have been a big deal to the world. But it's only a big deal to us because it happened in our country with our elections. You can't seriously tell me there are never big deals in Europe that aren't big deals worldwide. It just makes no sense.
@@qmanization2375 if he actually succeeded in any notable way it would be actually historic, instead it's presented he was on the precipice of some coup that was thwarted by the media. I may be wrong but it really will not go down in history like how people seem to want to frame it as nothing practically happened. If be was actually close to succeeding it would be far more catastrophic and likely violent than it actually was as most coups are.
@@LukeHarpercouk I think maybe we're missing eachother here. I dont think it was a historically bad event because they succeeded in anything. It's because the madness that was Jan. 6'th was egged on by the President of the United States at the time. Not only that but over 50 percent of Republicans in America think that Trump actually won the election. They were chanting stuff like "hang Mike Pence" and tried to hurt the people working in the building DURING the most important procedure to happen in American Politics. I think you are wrong,but I could also be wrong. I really do think that was the first showing of what's going to become a major problem for America. And in the long run probably the Republican party. Also I did hear him compare it to 9/11 and say it was possibley "worse" which I dont agree with, but I'd be interested in his arguments for that. But maybe he thinks the same I do in that it's going to bolden future events like that one and create even bigger problems for the US.
Did trump not get denied national guard by Pelosi?
leave facts out of this.
No he didn't
@@yoloswaggins7121 I'm not trying to be patronizing in any way. can you point me in the right direction the video or information of how you know that he didn't.
@@blackthornejoshua2929 I can't really prove a negative.
But I know for sure that Pelosi wouldn't stop the national guard from being deployed when the capitol was being overrun by crazy people. Because of course she wouldn't.
@@yoloswaggins7121 I can appreciate the honesty. without proof of Nancy's actual response, that makes your claim an assumption of what you believe Nancy would do in said situation. When claims exist that Nancy denied trump when he requested national guard on j6, I dont understand how one can honestly debunk that without some kind of evidence against it.
I'm not claiming either is true. Only that without at least one piece of information that implies Nancy didn't deny trump him asking this, that one cannot honestly claim their narrative/belief as fact or truth.
It takes quite some time in life but nearly all if not all belief is faith based. What is known is always infinitely smaller than what is unknown. Hubris is the enemy.
My main problem with the recent Jan 6 coverage is that it can have the appearance of being a mere partisan distraction from current issues, especially to moderate or right-leaning voters. IMO, it's an unnecessarily big risk given that Dems already failed to impeach Trump on the Jan 6 shenanigans.
Looking back, this is why I wish one of the courts would've taken up at least one of the Trump cases (either the PA or Louie Gohmert case), listened to the arguments, and then sided against Trump. This could've taken a lot of the wind out of some of these "rigged election" claims, as it would've given Democrats more tangible ammunition to point to.
Yep you're right.
No idea who the Steven guy is - but his debate style is unhinged. Screaming, fast talking, yelling.
White privilege is not having the fear of police when you've done nothing wrong.
Lame take Destiny
Wait until you find out he doesn’t like conservatives lmao
I don’t know man, we had way more freedom under trump. I don’t get where the fascist accusation comes from
The freedom to elect your own government and not have the loser try to overturn the result via coup is a big one. Plus Trump consistently belittled various government institutions necessary for a healthy functioning democracy. The guy was the ultimate post-modernist.
Lefties don't want freedom lol
@@BDKoala belittling government institutions is like, anti fascist. I don’t mean “antifa”, the terrorist pro-fascist gang. I mean anti fascist. Most of these institutions are horrible.
And, yeah wanting legit elections is also anti fascist.
So my comment stands
@@jessethomas9676 ah yes the just wanting 'legit elections' when he's calling the Georgia governor (I believe governor) to ask him to specifically find 10000 votes (aka his losing margin). You know he just cares about election integrity. Give me a break 🤣
@@jessethomas9676 also its funny how you downplay and rever his belittling of government institutions as that was what the fascist parties of Europe did in the 1920-30s.
I just got to the" he does gun commercials part" 😂😂😁😁😂😂😂 I cant believe you posted this.
"You just dont want to agree with me on stream" the audience claps and cheers for her truths
She said some RS ngl lol
Whats RS?
@@fruehlingsobst8123real shit, I’d assume.
@@sjappiyah4071far from it but that’s a cute opinion sweaty💅
@@Zach.C1 how do you know he’s sweaty seems like a big assumption to make and your complaining about his opinion
Im all for presidents and people attempting to challenge things in court.
sorry destiny, i disagree with you.
AOC was absolutely unhinged and her statements on Jan 6th were wildly exaggerated.
Feels unfaithful when Destiny defends her saying things like "you almost had me murdered."
Never thought I'd be agreeing more with Lauren than Destiny.
unhinged how?
@@dreamshakejunya Because she was not even close to being murdered and accusing Ted Cruz implies an intention behind it. It is absolutely wild to say that he was trying to have her harmed in any way, let alone actually literally mudered.
The rest of your comment was just virtue signalling.
@@dogeatdog6157 "You're supposed to take her seriously, but not literally" lol.
@@tcritt Trump's playbook?
@@Kody_El_Durado It's what that unhinged Dilbert artist said about Trump when he was debating someone on whether Trump was competent. He said it in response to quotes of his ridiculous rhetoric and lies. Trumpists parrotted it for years.
At 16:40 the Response to Destiny should have been "It would depend on WHY."
the attempted assassination of a supreme court justice seems like a good analogy to bring in here. Is Lauren "tweeting every fuckin day for the next 3 months" or has she made "15 youtube videos on this historic takeover" in response? Nope
Yes and no as noble causes can lead to bad events which were not the preferred situation such as the protests that lead to 3-4 months of riots even more Wild was people saying it was a protest while things are on fire
@@Channel-23s "fiery but mostly peaceful".
(btw 2 billion worth of damage to the property of everyday people, thousands of police officers injured, 30 people killed by rioters
hundreds of officers injured that may weekend in dc alone, along with the fire at st johns church, and the fire set to the white house itself, and many other fires in the city, and injury to 60 secret service members. talk about an insurrection. never forget the weekend of may 29, 2020)
Lauren former-escort Boebert was tweeting their locations.
Damn these two are adorable together
I'm neither the first nor the last, I'm just some random schizo comment in a sea of comments and my life is just as irrelevant.
Damn Lauren disembowled you Destiny. Calm down sweety.
Agreed!
Rage quit twice, gaslit tf out of destiny yeah no she didn’t win, and I’m excited for the rematch when destiny has receipts
Aww destiny was so close to figuring it out with the trans stuff but he had to go back and turtle in the safety of orange man bad. Give him another 5 years and his testicles will drop the rest of the way.
What does trans people in sports have to do with January 6th?
@@razzle_dazzle they both signify how deragned the left is.
@@johnstarnes3731 But why should your position on one affect your position on the other? And is it really deranged to think that January 6th was a big deal?
@@razzle_dazzle because if you value the lefts opinion on anything you are just wrong. So if you side with them on one issue there's a good chance you are a mindless tool. And yes it is. Because it wasn't a big deal. It COULD have been. But it wasn't. Mountains out of molehills
Why do you people always think destiny is on the verge of switching sides or “figuring something out” you get he’s even more supportive of the trans community now than ever before. Sure he doesn’t support integration in sports but he’s very pro HRT and srs even to kids…and is anti Florida school anti lgbt legislation
Amazed he posted this video, Lauren destroyed him and Destiny just went mental
Destiny still has his TDS active. He forgot to turn it off
You’re subbed to Tim Pool. You’ve lost.
@@connor4169 Oh how horrible for you that other people listen to someone you disagree with.. I am sorry to trigger you little one please give me a list of the approved people I can sub to that wont cause you to panic.
@@TierDvik lol chill guy. Your copium is at max level. You and Lauren really make up your own realities hahah
Nahhhhh Lauren looked pretty bad rage quitting twice, and believing “no evidence on hand now”= automatic win is cringe af. Destiny definitely pulled ahead here
I like How Lauren moved the goal post from
"Did AOC feel threatened on Jan. 6th" to "was AOC justified in saying ted cruz was trying to get you get her killed" (based off what he promoted) and she still lost.
😂😂. Even after Destiny literally agreed with that statement?
This is exactly why she’s so in bad faith.