@@b0bbyGG linking to his channel would be promoting him destiny by and large debates with him, not do a "hey guys heres this channel mr girl ive watched his stuff and seen his streams please like and suubscribe" normally yeah its proper etiquette and yeah i guess destiny is breaking it but like.... cry about it? hows this, destiny not linking his channel at the cost of normal internet procedure is an acceptable trade off to me.
It seems like mrgirl hates being in a relationship because he's very self absorbed but he desperately needs to be in a relationship because he's very self absorbed.
I don’t like this guy. He is a controlling narcissist. He’s unpleasant to everyone. I think calling it performance art is another way of him thinking he can cleverly outsmart and fool everyone.
I genuinely don't get why people see Mr. Girl as stable or a good conversational partner. He cannot be convinced of anything, and always considers dissent to be the most mallacious as possible.
He’s slimy and always seems to be trying to trick whoever he’s talking to. A good barometer for whether someone is a good person or not is would you be comfortable with them starting a conversation with your child even while you’re standing there. That’s a BIG BIG BIGGGGGG NO for MrGirl. Fucking creep.
@@olo_smooth_olo5606 Exactly. I unsubbed for a bit to get this guy out of my feed because of how much airtime Steven was giving him and I can’t stand this creep. Subbing back now that I hopefully won’t hear much more of his general awfulness on this channel.
@@olo_smooth_olo5606 you know, except for all the times it isn't. A lot of racists going off of a lot of gut and a lot of feelings, buddy. But hey, who the hell am I stop text book confirmation bias? After all, if you were right this time, how could you ever have been wrong? Check mate atheists. Then again, *my* gut feeling is telling me you bumble through life judging people on minimal information and wonder why you're lacking friends while telling yourself its about quality and not quantity, so it's pretty spot on sometimes, huh, chief?
Its because he knows some weird stuff went down in that situation. Thats not how relationships function. But he can also never be wrong, so the source of weirdness must be coming from her
He used specific language to make her feel uncomfortable. IE calling her a shrex doll, saying she doesn’t have a choice she has to. Then gets upset that she isn’t 100% on board and calls her controlling because according to him it’s not about her. Very very dishonest. He’s creating the conflict to manipulate her with guilt. Gross.
In front of millions mind you. The whole “I’m protecting her from live streaming” is a huge red flag, he’s admitting he won’t platform her without editing her.
Who gives a fuck at the end of the day lmfao, for me I wouldn’t let people like this in my life, not hating or anything though, you should found a slave at this point if you ask me.
@@niclastname thats one conclusion that ive come to with this. hes afraid of being ultimatly vulnerable. sure hes vulnerable by being on the internet but hes only projecting his views to feel a sense of control/ power over the world and intern himself since he is the one posting and making the content.
@@WanderTheNomad Yeah I've been on the fence about this guy for some time, at first he was a little charming I was like oh I guess he's trying to do the avantgarde thing. But now I honestly think he's fuckin' nuts. The conversation with his girlfriend, I cringed so hard almost every second of it. The guy is like a brick wall, I can't tell if he's being intentional obtuse or if he really processes emotions this poorly. Strikes me as a guy that has a relatively high IQ but an abysmal EQ.
Unfortunately I dont think so. If you read his chat or youtube comments its a whole different ball game. If anyone thinks Destiny is being charitable its amazing how charitable they are to Max.
Just gonna put this out there... A relationship shouldn't be comprised of people vying for a victory over one another. A healthy relationship I think should be seen as a "couple" who are on the same team working towards the same goal. Being victorious over your partner in an argument shouldn't be the desired outcome imo.
A goal like both parties being able to set boundaries and 1 party not being to one to have to set all of them? Yeah, i agree. There are ALWAYS things you want to do in a relationship and the other does not. You should negotiate on that. You literaly can't if the other never sets boundaries. Than YOU are the only one deciding. That is why max is trying to fix. He is teaching her how to be able to work as a team.
@@mcjcave18 you like his content because he's manipulative? Lol the empathy he's calling for his for himself not people in general. Listen to what he actually says. There's a lot of sociopaths that are self aware and do try to be more empathic. He's absolutely not one of them.
I would be astounded if anyone could observe their relationship for a period and come away thinking that Max is the one who is always 'serving' in the relationship
No, this is absolutely coming from the meatspace of Max's mind and how he's already squared away the feelings of his relationship as like an emotional battleground, calling the enemy the devil to radicalize his own feelings, calling her micro-manipulative--essentially feeding himself propaganda. Granted, while we don't entirely know the ins and outs of his relationship, Max could be preaching to aspects of Shaelin that we don't see on camera because this is kind of all we have really. So he comes off as unbelievable because he absolutely has no way of framing Shaelin's perspective charitably without feeling that it may be giving her power or coddling her.
@@sialiasialis. When he says that bit about serving or coddling her, I'm assuming his fantasy is a hyper fixation of getting away from catering to his parents as a kid. I grew up kind of the same way, where I'd feel like I could basically read my parents' mind just by what their face looked like, and if I were to become traumatized by that experience, I could see wanting to steer an aggressive amount away from that, and want a relationship where you're basically not acknowledging the other person. When this topic becomes about sex, what you're asking is that the person not desire the sex you want to have to avoid feeling like you're catering again. It basically becomes borderline rape, because it has to feel like the other person didn't necessarily consent to this. In my opinion, he needs the consent to be in a gray zone, and that sounds extremely dangerous to me. Relationships are based on trust, and that only comes with a bunch of foundational work, that requires him to be "unhappy" before this conversation even remotely becomes viable. This is an extremely unique, and vicariously dangerous or grayzone area, especially when it comes to sex, because what he wants is almost impossible in a relationship.
It’s interesting that it’s clear what he views as serving, when that exact dynamic is what keeps him in power. If he truly wanted to serve her, he would try to help and enable her to develop her own sense of what she’s feeling, rather than doing it for her, keeping her dependent on him.
So I have a bit of a correction to myself. It sounds like he just wanted her not to be entirely emotionally reliant on him to help her say what she wants. It basically sounds like she's a bit emotionally underdeveloped as compared to him, by his own words. It sounded like he didn't want to deal with her being vague, and trying to give queues or hints about what she wants, instead of explicitly saying what she wants. He saw doing that as having a form of power over him.
@@RS-fy9hb He should have said he wanted a yes or no. Instead he ignored her opposition and pressured her to say yes. Her reason for not wanting to directly say no to him lays the problem. She said he threatened her with a break up when she says no. He is being abusive. If they are not s-xually compatible then fine break up, but he shouldn’t emotionally/mentally force himself on her. He’s trying to have his cake and eat it too.
I've seen enough, for months I wrote this guy off as just "an edgy guy who's shtick is how he's honest in weird ways", but now I'm just straight up convinced he's actually insane/a sociopath, the complete disregard for his girlfriend is nuts, and he's so proud of it.
Idk, I don’t buy it. I don’t think he’s ACTUALLY a sociopath. I think he’s just obsessed with trying to look like he’s some edgy sociopath cringe lord and so he really leans into those behaviors to make himself look stronger. Like more of a fragile narcissist. Either way, it’s become more and more cringe and obvious as time goes on, and no matter what he’s still a shit bag loser. Idk why destiny still entertains his shit under the guise of it being some unique perspective that he’s interested in exploring.
@@FoeverDirt he's just so much of a contrarian, the Britney convos...., like he goes out of his way to twist even the most straight forward questions into these weird introspections that don't make any sense. Like after a while my brain turns off, and I get completely lost in what the fuck he's talking about. This dude such a narcissist control freak its oozes out of him.
I remember receiving A LOT of hate for dismissing Mr. Girl as just another creepy edgelord. “But you haven’t even SEEN his ‘I’m a pedophile’ video!!! He’s so enlightened and profound!!!” Feels good to have been right all along
Max picked a girl because she was the lowest hanging fruit from the assertive tree and now he's frustrated that she isn't more assertive. Ironically, If she was more assertive, Max wouldn't have had a chance with her.
Don't think he sees how incredibly unrealistic his expectations are and how psychologically damaging this is. Dude is in trouble and can't see it. Excise the darkness before something terrible happens.
Yeah, it's like he doesn't understand the difference between fantasy and reality. He feels entitled to have what he wants. Instead of coming to the obvious fucking conclusion that he nor anyone can get everything you want. You don't get to be 100% yourself if your an abusive weird guy who's pretty rapey and probably a pedo. "I want that 12 yo sex".
Totally agree. Watching Destiny watch the original video, as Shaelyn was talking, I thought, "She's going to lay there crying as quietly as possible, and if she ever finds the self-confidence to tell him, at best he won't care and at worst he'll be happy that's how she felt, and either response will break her entirely." It's so troubling that he either knows, and doesn't care, or somehow genuinely can't see why telling his girlfriend he'd like to have sex with a body he's allowed to have sex with, but specifically would not like to have sex with her as a person, would be (or at a minimum can be) psychologically devastating.
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 "She's going to lay there crying as quietly as possible, and if she ever finds the self-confidence to tell him, at best he won't care and at worst he'll be happy that's how she felt, and either response will break her entirely." That's not at all what she did though. She cried very, very loudly. Almost as if she wanted him to hear that - so that he'd console her. Like a caretaker. Which kinda proves his point.
@@Arcana_Veritas_EN it’s almost like she just cried and was literally one room away, stop giving in to shitty manipulator logic, mrgirl constantly shifts goalposts so he can never be assigned blame
I think I've broken the code, and it's actually pretty simple: MrGirl believes women are naturally abusive in relationships because they tend to approach things in a less direct manner as a way of maintaining a sort of under the table power. He then believes this gives him the right to be abusive back, as a way of taking away that power since he believes this sort of indirect manipulation is inherently unacceptable. Therefore his abuse is justified and therefore not even abuse at all since it is more direct and verbalized. Basically, hes an internal incel
Wait... this is just incoherant. Yes one can use the less-direct style of communication as a means of doing underhanded power plays. This is where machiavellianism, passive-agression, and manipulation can lay. Someone can also use seemingly direct language as a means of power plays. But there are ways in which someone who uses softer language, who feels that being extremely direct can come with being overly agressive and hurtful, who doesnt use this softer language as a power play. It's called being diplomatic. And MrGirl often assumes that just because someone doesn't cut straight to the meat and potatoes, means they are trying to hide something. Please explain how speaking with pinpoint directness is always the best way to do things and speaking with softer language is always underhanded power plays... Yes, rule of thumbs is, people should be as direct as possible, but someone can speak in a way that gets the point across without using language that is commonly understood by empathetic regular people as harsh or intense. For example, therapists work with very vulnerable and volatile patients, and it's well-understood that direct and confrontational plain communication might actually cause more harm in a situation. So they use positive affirmations to ensure that the assertive part they want to get out is being percieved by the other party as not negative in connotation. Assertive and less than perfectly direct language is a pragmatic workaround that people use because most people place emotional baggage and connotations onto language making it slightly less than objective in practice. So no, he isn't "ESSENTIALLY defending underhanded power plays" becuase not all less direct communication is intended or used for power plays.@@Nosirt
Btw, I think this de-objectifying of language has gotten way out of hand.. and that we should be socializing girls and boys to operate speaking in as direct of terms as possible. But since people use language often more conceptually and interpretively and also combine body language and inflection, we currently don't have a perfectly standardized formula for perfectly direct communication. There are good people who are direct and less direct communicators and there are plenty of horrible people who are direct and indirect communicators because we have other things like connotation, inflection, past-experience with certain styles of communication that fog the delineation between direct and indirect. All this to say, your point is myopic.
Something that's important to remember in relationships is that it can FEEL like you're managing other people's emotions, without realizing that they're managing yours a lot as well. Be honest when you take inventory of how much/little your partner is actually doing for you. You can't directly feel their labor like you can your own, so it's really easy to miss. It feels like Max misses all of the labor his partners would do for him.
@@atarigal The reason I feel that ways is that basically every reaction Max's girlfriend had in that video was well within what Id expect a rational, normal person to have. He met them with aggression because his perception of them was "pissing him off". Despite his statements being pretty forward and aggressive. It seems like he was taking all the space to be upset and framing her as an abuser, demon, manipulator for not conforming to what he wanted emotionally. Now, you're right that we cant say he doesn't appreciate her emotional labor in the relationship as a whole, but I think in the interaction we saw onscreen, it's not crazy to say he was not recognizing ANY of her efforts to meet him halfway.
I'm kindof a crazy person and I have a very strong sense that my feelings are *always* wrong or invalid. I very much depend on having well grounded people in my life who will tell me when I'm being insane.
“Im just protecting her from social media.” One of the common signs of domestic abuse is the abuser trying to cut off the abused from outside sources and opinions (usually their family).
Max is a psycho, but social media can be incredibly destructive for certain people (particularly if they're very young or mentally/emotionally unstable)
@@kevincola3184 He clearly isn't aware if he thinks that he can just fix this shit by proposing to her. Even if it did work and she did say yes then marrying her would just make things worse.
I know being an armchair psychologist is fun, but this was addressed in the video a couple times. He says what he means from that is that he doesn't want to platform her through his platform. He seemingly trying to keep her away from the type of constant scrutiny he's under, like this idiotic comment. He doesn't keep her from her family, nor does he keep her from even using social media. She does a web comic and uses Twitter. That said im not really defending him here, I think most of his actions In this video are pretty gross, but to make the jump that he's doing stuff like keeping her from her family with no evidence is pretty absurd.
That's the weird thing is he used sarcasm, but he is incredibly meta, so it could be a manipulation tactic to convince Destiny that it doesn't happen, and Destiny isn't falling for it cuz he's like "well I dunno, but if it were true I wouldn't be surprised."
This all seems so contrived. basically: "If I want something but my partner also wants it, I stop wanting it because it seems like I'm just doing what my partner wants and then it isn't really about what I want anymore." Okay. So you're a pathological contrarian? Great recipe for perpetual dissatisfaction and root behaviors no sane person would ever want to deal with.
Thats not what he is saying, he is saying he wants those 12 minutes to be about him, and if they both want the same thing it gets really blurry as to who it is about. In order to get clarity about who this is about, she cant want the same thing.
@@Vitross You do realize your last sentence is literally goes straight to the point. What would it matter if they want the same thing, and why would her wanting the same as him make him feel like it isn't about him unless he's too dense as to not define what he wants in terms of being contrary to what she wants? If your sense of something being "about you" is predicated on it not being lateral to the goals or desires of others lest it "confuse you in terms of who it's really about", you're either on a tangent failing to realize that "who it's about" is irrelevant if you're achieving your goals and desires(which probably means you're on the narcissistic spectrum since the illusion of focus on your ego is coming at the expense of practical fulfillment of tangibles), or your goals and desires are predicated on being in opposition to your partner which makes you a pathological contrarian or just fundamentally incompatible with your partner. Given that Mr.girl seemed candid about the fact that it's not about specific desires or goals, but about the self-focus part, we're left with either NP spectrum levels of denseness or some silly addiction to stubborn contrarianism - which given his library of content, seems to be 90% of his personality. Either which way, it's handicap alright.
Based on the interview Max did, she doesn't want any of this discussed online, and didn't even want the video posted. I think she resents the idea that her personal life is being made a show of online. She's emotionally distraught about it all, and now thousands of people are talking about it with her breakdown, a moment of huge vulnerability, is now public for people to see over and over if they wanted. I doubt she wants to talk about it online. It would just result in a retread of her argument with Max.
Yeah I’m at 1:20:00 right now and I don’t understand why he’s not willing to be more direct with Max and is willing to speak as negatively as he is about her. He’s kind of conceding very quickly to a lot of Max’s claims about her being “manipulative”.
Tldr; Mr.girl is too high maintenance to engage with even as a viewer. He is exhausting, selfish, and overall depressing. I'm gonna be avoiding any mr.girl vids from now on. I'm reacting to this 5 months late after watching the interview. It didn't help make him look better to me. It did finally help me understand one of the key reasons I despise mr.girl. He is high maintenance in every aspect he puts on display. Whether it is a friend, boyfriend, or content creator. Nothing is surface level with him, everything HAS to have a deeper meaning. As much as it helps him it hinders him. He has to be aware of everything on a macro and micro scale, and so should you, All the time. There is no break from it. It's exhausting.
We dont do implications around here buddy! In the max's universe, it speak your mind and faces the consequences head-on or cower in fear while perishing like the weak noam you are! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I've been in a relationship with somebody like this (though not nearly as extreme). People like Max make sure there's a price you'll pay for not doing what they want. They'll create a situation in which it's easier to go along with things than to deal with the subsequent verbal abuse, dirty looks, passive-aggressiveness, angry tirades or other "punishing" behaviors.
This conversation is so weird because I can’t even fathom not wanting to care about the other person during sex. That’s part of what makes it so intimate, the care for each other and the trust in each other
Sometimes for some ppl to focuses on the other person during sex means u don’t get off, then ur gf gets insecure because u didn’t cum even though she did if u have anxiety bad enough getting off during sex is nearly impossible especially if u add in the potential non pleased person ur with. I’m a lot like that most women don’t understand that. The pressure to perform and also be performed on. Sometimes it’s just easier to masterbate just so I don’t have to worry about the others pleasure or lack of mine because I’m so focused on them.
I mean that part alone isn’t bad. I’ve known ppl who get turned on by the idea of their needs being the only ones that matter that were very nice and good partners. The thing is that was just a fantasy for those ppl they liked to live out with ppl but in reality the still did actually care about how other ppl involved feel.
@@ataraxia7439 ya exactly but the point is that in the back of your head you know they care about you, even during sex and they won’t actually hurt you. With Mr.Girl it seems like you can’t actually know that
either hes lying intentionally or hes misremembering but SHE 100% in that convo said "idk I cant agree to this right now I gotta think about it." and he pushed through that.
MrGirl: My partner is not my child, i dont want to be responsible for their emotions Also MrGirl: I must protect my partner from the internet, they couldnt handle it ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿
Not only is this sociopathic its not even logical. If you want a certain outcome out of sex with your partner its in your best interest to help them be in the right emotional state that they need to be in.
@@ddawg3230 when does he speak in anything other then clickbait titles? He's asking his partner to help him work through something - doesnt matter when the trauma happened if neither of them are enjoying the intimate part of their relationship because neither of them enjoys intimacy they need to work on it or break up. Just because it provokes an emotion in you doesnt mean that's what either is feeling
I personally think that's because there's a level of asadism going on. Max seems to feel so hurt and fucked up by whatever happened to him while he was growing up that now he can only feel safe/happy when he's projecting that pain onto others. Part of the sex request is that pain/discomfort. He's making her upset because he *wants* her to be upset.
@@leviathansweaters7207 likewise she doesn't seem to leave because she expects to be upset - it isn't abnormal, it is the norm. To be truly happy would be abnormal for her.
@@hartyewh1 But his version of "changing" is just doing the thing he has always done but louder - with more aggression. I don't think he recognizes what the problem is or cares to.
@@MikeSW I think it takes stages. Cut off family and friends who make it impossible to develop yourself, be boundary nazi to have any chance of holding on to them, find a balance in a relationship, start letting go of the overly aggressive support behaviors... Something like that. Just fixing yourself in a cave seems like a silly and not only unrealistic, but a surreal idea.
Max is SOOOO dense and oblivious to regular human interactions, explicitly with just basic negotiation skills. I will watch him on Destiny or other channels, but I will NEVER give him a view on his own channel. He is deranged.
Mr. Girl's perspective on relationships is so post-modern and disconnected that I literally can't understand or process it. How can you only see relationships as just a power game? It's so self-centered and it's hard to see it as anything other than abusive.
Because it's not really a "relationship" as we know it. I don't think he's really able to feel love like a typical human can so obviously it's going to look insane to people with completely different frameworks than a sociopath.
She’s clearly communicating boundaries that anyone can read and he’s demanding she communicate those boundaries in a way she is not comfortable with. The people defending his position are literal psychopaths.
You cant say clearly communicating boundaries that anyone can read. You having to read them means they werent clear. Alot of women are passive to a point of toxicity now were they have an unreasonable fear and cannot speak directly.
It's very simple boys. Whenever you find yourself entering 'Debate Bro Mode' when conversing with your partner about other topics than politics, you've stepped over a line from which you should immediately walk back from. Otherwise you are heading for unevitable destruction of your relationship. Never 'Debate Bro Mode' your relationship.
This guy’s a sociopath and I absolutely condemn pretty much everything he did and said in that video. However I’m not sure I agree that you can’t be in “debate mode” in an argument with your girlfriend, wife, etc. When I have a disagreement with anyone in my life, I keep the emotional level as low as possible, stay very calm, and try to only state facts first so that we can establish what’s actually true. Feelings are fine to talk about. That’s not the problem. The problem is that many people- including many women- think that feelings are a deciding factor in an argument. This is a huge problem, because everyone has their own feelings and they often have nothing to do with the facts of the matter. I know this about my own feelings as well- I am not claiming to be above it. But I think arguments in relationships need more logic, more facts, more truth-seeking in general, and these are also the things you should be doing in a debate. So I guess in that sense I would advocate for “debate mode.”
6 years and kicking. Unless you debate in bad faith or are unecessarily aggresive I don't see what you mean by debate bro mode. I'm an ass and I stress points and I push a lot. I just found someone that was fine with that dynamic.
@@escenasdedreagonball4013 You literally defined what he means by "debate bro mode." The 2nd half of what you said is super important in the whole looking like a relationship is the goal too.
@@xbabu142x how would you define debate bro? Like to me is not inherently negative as much as descriptive of a particular culture that might or might not be negative
@@escenasdedreagonball4013 I thought anything + bro meant making the concept reductive and over exaggerated. Like how a gym bro is one that doesn't work out anything but chest and biceps.
It's crazy to me that MrGirl thinks that Destiny was being specifically charitable to Shaelyn when Destiny was actually being frustratingly charitable to MrGirl's inability to understand the implications of a complicated yes or no answer to such a fringe and uncomfortable request. Asking for clarification and expressing reservations before agreeing to a habit/act that becomes a regular and normal thing is such a more responsible approach than maybe trying to do so AFTER it becomes a "regular and normal" thing. MrGirl needs to understand that the manifestation of his fantasies with her come at the expense of another person who breathes, thinks, and lives not only as a human, but as one that strives to live equally in a happy relationship with him. Almost seems like a weird form of grooming to me... Insanity
His problem was she agreed to the thing and then got extremely vague about it, and from his words he feels like no matter what agreement is made then, when it comes time to actually follow through, she’ll fall back on her vague position, to say she didn’t agree to it. He just wanted a clear “yes let’s do this and if I decide otherwise we’ll stop”, or a “No” that was all, instead he got the strange “well when will we start?” Like if he said tomorrow, would she completely disagree to ever do this or will they go through with this and she’ll fall back on “well, I never agreed on when we would start, so you sexually assaulted me.”
@@WanderTheNomad yes he could’ve and should’ve but he has more experience interacting with her than I do, so maybe he already knows she won’t answer clearly, which he seems to believe as he says “She never makes agreements”.
@@skullingtonfx4441 I don’t know, MrGirl found it to be an “irrelevant” question. He seems to think it was just her trying to weasel out of the agreement without just saying “no, I don’t want to do this.”
I'm curious as to why Mr. Girl wants a relationship. It sounds like he absolutely hates everything about relationships, and loves everything about casual intimate interactions. I hope she can find the courage to get out. I can only imagine how hard that could be while dealing with depression and a partner like mr girl at the same time.
My main problem with Mr. Girl, is that he claims to read peoples minds and their intentions, he did that with pretty much every conversation he has on stream, he has 0 humility
I feel like this is right but a lot of time I think he’s right people don’t say what they mean and hide what they say behind other statements the problem with him is he does this literally all the time and if he is wrong it’s just gonna create a bad conversation
He is a provocateur, he says shit like "You're jealous of my relationship" to effectively double dare you into argueing that isn't the case. So far, the only arguments I've seen defending the case that MrGirl was out of line have been pretty weak. I think he does have an ego, but he very much doubts himself and is constantly looking for reassurance in the form of challenging people. He relentlessly seeks out criticism, it's a big part of all his work.
Again, this is not some special ability he believes he has-though he does believe he is specially accurate at it. Everyone has an internal bullshit sensor, you utilize it to notice fake smiles, people who force themselves to cry, bad liars, etc. You automatically feel if someone is telling the truth or if they believe something else, mrgirl simply says that out loud. He doesn't need the other person to bend or to agree with him, he simply wants to be aknowledged. You cant choose to believe someone, all you can do is stop caring about your own sensor, or lie. Mrgirl wants to do neither.
@@danegreen629 Sometimes hes right but with lauren southern I think it was pretty obvious that she didnt trust him as much as he thought she secretly did. Then to tell her shes lying about her own feelings well.. It doesnt matter if you get it right a few times if many other times go this badly. His entire fan base asks him to please stop doing this because it derails every conversation once its happens. So that's really saying something I think he was right when he confronted booksmarts though, that was great to watch
"When we're talking about women, it's like throwing a baby off a cliff, but when it's you and me, we just deal with our feelings." Says the dude who can't cope with giving even 10% of his attention la mayo.
Misato: “I need you to get in the Eva, Shinji - this one last time” Shinji: “I don’t believe that’s how you actually feel. See cause either I get in the robot in which case I lose, or I give up before doing so in which case I lose again. You’re the queen of double binds, Misato”
Max characterizes his girlfriend multiple times as manipulating, when at best he out-manipulated her into doing what he wants and is frustrated that she resisted so much.
It’s very clear from the other video and this conversation that MrGirl is just emotionally stunted in regards to both relationships and sexual encounters. It’s almost sad but it’s mostly just creepy. The pseudo intellectual way he tries to defend his clearly wrong views is also disturbing and I hope people don’t see this and think “wow he’s got a point”.
@@otmanh That’s what happens when you have Destiny treating people like Vaush and Hassan as somehow being worse than the nazis Nick Fuentes and Lauren Souther. You attract the far right incel types
Sex isn’t a one sided act and it never will be. He is telling us what she feels and how she thinks. That right there is controlling. He doesn’t understand people and tries to define all her actions and thoughts around his ideology.
I try to imagine myself acting or saying the things he does about his girlfriend, with my someone I love, and it makes me genuinely sick to my stomach. I couldn't imagine treating that person that I love and care about more than words can explain in such a horrible, transactional, possessional, and abusive way. And MrGirl is proud of himself. I get everyone experiences love and relationships differently, but I just can't interpret that in any possible way that shows he has any love for his girlfriend.
Yeah same here. My jaw was on the floor watching him speak to her like that. So dark, so cruel and manipulative. Edginess for the sake of it. Or he just enjoys being a jerk and a creep. I have always loved how brutally honest Mr girl is but that video really put me off
They’ve been together what 7 years? With that information it genuinely seems he’s sick of her being vague and wants her to be explicit and she still refuses to be explicit. I’d say he should have broken up with her since she seems incapable of being explicit and unable to revoke a previous agreement. If you asked me “let’s go out every weekend to hang out” And I say “I guess that sound nice” And then that weekend you come to me or call me up asking about it and my response is “Well, I didn’t really agree to it and now it’s very weird cause it’s like you’re forcing me to go and I don’t know how to feel about that.” We play out that scenario many times with different requests or agreements, even after you’ve discussed with me about being more clear, or even just outright saying “no I don’t want to do that” you’d get sick of it too. I’d say he had no reason to do this in a video.
you couldn't even IMAGINE it? that actually isn't healthy most people if they actually explore there mind realise how easy it is to do bad things a lot of phycologists talk about it and it not entirely a bad thing cause you learn how easy it is to go there you just have to get past the uncomfortable feeling. also this exercise is often done with imagining torture so wayyyy worse than what you tried but you're results sugest you're lying to yourself and you didnt actually give it a good college try! im not saying mrgirl aint mental btw im talking about imagining it not doing it im just sleep deprived and wanted to share this kinda grim info enjoy
This confirms that I will not partake in any content with mrgirl in it. He's a sociopath and it appears as though he's abusing his partner. Only half way through this but I hope destiny pushes back harder bc this is heartbreaking to watch. Mrgirl is openly gaslighting the fuck out of his partner and projecting so fucking hard.
I do think Mr. Girl either has autism or has literally gone so far down his insane social deconstructionist arc that he has literally given himself autism. It’s sad because I feel like he has some interesting concepts he was trying address about how certain social norms can actually cause and exacerbate the behaviors the norms were meant to prevent. Idk if he’s actually a sociopath or an artist went so far down the road of engaging some dark thoughts that he literally broke his brain.
I've been this guy and after a shit ton of therapy and still catching myself I really hope this guy gets some help. Not to be mean but I almost wonder if he has really bad mom/dad issues and feelings of abandonment.
First 10 seconds of the video and the red flags are already as clear as ever. Please, everyone seeing this, don't get in a relationships with someone like that
As someone who's been in a relationship with someone like this, I second everything you said. This guy's throwing up more red flags than a communist army. If you see this kind of behavior in someone, RUN AWAY. Don't second-guess your perception. Don't wait and see if it gets better. LEAVE.
Mrgirl is terrifying. I am watching this after all of the Lav drama so I am biased, but I still dont understand how he has ever convinced anyone to trust him
Mr. girl looks like the Incel wojak with frizzy hair. I fucking hate that Destiny gives so much Charitably to this guy. Because even when you try to understand him in the most charitable light he literally owns some of the most fucked up beliefs I’ve ever heard someone own up to. He kind of reminds me of Russell Greer.
I think it's the latter exclusively. I also think that only a sociopath would put on that kind of an act, unless their partner was also willingly acting out the victim part, and then they both turn off the camera and high five over their performance
I don't even know why Mr Girl thinks Shaelyn did anything wrong. He's expecting so much of a weird conversation then paints her like a demon for not always saying yes. It's what I expect of a abusive relationship.
You've missed almost every point. Shaelin needs Max to hold her hand and it's not bad or malicious, but the worst thing for Max so he reacts strongly to it. The demon monster stuff is just hyperbole to make it clear that he's serious. There's nothing abusive in their relationship based on anything we've seen and both disagree. Some behaviors can feel abusive, but that's not integral to the relationship and no one is an abuser.
@@hartyewh1 I've been saying this to all the incels who for whatever reason look up to Max and want to protect him like you are doing. If Max AT ALL pleasured her in any way and they had an emotional and sexual connection they'd be having sex more than once a month via a coerced agreement. You can also talk to your partner without being an insufferable ass exerting control and trying to WIN against your partner. If this is how your relationships are (doubt you've been in any tbh) then I am so sorry for your parnter.
@@hartyewh1 All of these dipshits are incels and never been in a relationship. After being in many I know EXACTLY what Max is talking about. Women expect you to coddle them, make several decisions for them a day, and just generally be infantilized, going against this makes them cry, break up with you, cheat on you, tell other people you're a bad person, and it socially all comes out as justified. What the DGG community isn't understanding is this is all due to gender roles and socialization. Men are so brainwashed into treating women in a special way emotionally that they can't even see it and only that Max is an abuser. There is a huge double standard being applied here and if you reversed the roles we wouldn't be getting this reaction.
Not wanting to give anything during sex, not wanting to feel like your serving your partner, not wanting to move her around at all, not wanting to concern yourself with her emotional well-being. Sounds like mr.girl doesn't want a relationship, he just wants a live in sex-sl@ve. Which is fine. But you can't force that on someone and then gaslight them when they voice their concerns. He treats her so grossly. The way he talked about her to destiny, just like she's one big problem that's in the way of something he wants. Didn't even talk about her like he liked her. She needs to break up with him. He is way too toxic.
You left out the part where he said he wants that once a month. You realize some people regularly participate in sex way more degrading and brutal than that. Also she still could have said no. He even offered up a no for her at one point and she disagreed. She wants to do this she just didn’t wanna talk about it the way max wanted to talk about it. But she was presenting the situation dishonestly which undermines maxs work.
@@D1rtyD3bra People engage in degrading sex acts because they enjoy it or enjoy pleasing their partner. Max doesn't want her to do either lmao. He's ascended
@@D1rtyD3bra She had no idea this was even going to be talked about and needed time to think about it what? Why do we expect her to have any other response than "Wait, pump the breaks" after just hearing this for the first time. Also do we expect every couple be okay with talking about the most intimate stuff publicly? I thought her response was super mature and she stood up for herself. If you cannot do that you should not be in a relationship. Max is SUPER manipulative to get what he wants and this is obvious. Maybe we didn't watch the same video...
@@D1rtyD3bra It's not about how degrading the sex is. It's about how you get there, and how you talk it out with your partner. The problem with Max is that during their convo he made demands and listed ultimatums, while assuming the worst from his girlfriend. In their convo he said things like "Well I need this." "Well, you can just leave." and "I'm not saying I would break up with you, but that the relationship would end." When she started crying, he laughed because he didn't believe her tears were genuine. During his talk with Destiny he described her as a master manipulator, a devil, a monster. And he mentioned that he doesn't want to concern himself with her feelings or reservations, they're not his problem, and she should work them out on her own. Now, I don't know about you...but to me...THAT DOESN'T SOUND SEXY. Hell, that doesn't even sound HEALTHY. WHAT WOMAN WOULD WANT TO HAVE SEX AFTER BEING TALKED TO OR ABOUT LIKE THAT? Mr.girls' problem is that he doesn't know how people think or communicate, and frankly doesn't care. He wants to hammer everyone into his own worldview and will assume that they're lying or being manipulative if they don't play by his rules. He does that in debates and apparently in relationships too. A little advice, if you want kinky sex, be a good partner. Be someone who's compassionate, considerate, loving, caring, and above all safe to talk to. Concern yourself with the emotional and physical needs of your partner, fulfill their fantasies too. They'll be way more likely to return the favor. If you're willing to talk like this to your girlfriend, talk about her like this to your friends, and then not let her come on to defend herself...you probably shouldn't be surprised if she doesn't want to have sex with you.
Steven might think he’s helping Max, or his audience here, and to be fair it is an engaging conversation. He needs to be careful that he’s not being used to abuse Max’s partner. I think Max’s way of seducing people is he gives smart people (Steven, his partner, his audience) a fun human puzzle to solve, ie himself, meanwhile he gradually drags them out of their usual comfort zone getting them to engage in ways they wouldn’t usually choose for themselves. He’s talking about rape and abuse plainly here, and he sort of has Steven on egg shells being extraordinarily charitable to his perspective. He’s manipulative in the extreme, anyone wondering why his partner would put up with this should consider how good he is at getting under Steven’s skin here.
Just to be a bit more specific on the methods he’s using to push Steven’s boundaries in this conversation. He drops highly supportive and intimate messages towards Steven into his discussion. For example, he talks about how Steven gave him his career giving him outsized responsibility for his success and happiness. He compliments him by saying he knows that Steven understands him and “gets” him He (jokingly) plays up the idea of them being lovers and says how he knows there wouldn’t be an issue between them because they get each other so much. Then, he drops in some personal insults as well Steven is too charitable to women He implies he’s weak He defines his reality in odd ways Overall the positive rapport, the “we’re on the same wave length” talk far outweighs the negative insulting talk. This is disorientating for anyone. What’s the net result we’re seeing? Steven is laughing nervously when he’s telling Max that he is describing rape or abuse. He is laughing when Max talks about his demon girlfriend. He tries to force Steven to admit he thinks it’s abuse but Steven backs off. I genuinely think Steven has been pulled far outside his comfort zone here. It’s a manipulation sucker punch from Max, while Steven is still acting in good faith, Max seems to be playing him and pushing boundaries. This man is good at abuse tactics.
@@fifab82 you are spot on. glad to see other people see through this bullshit as easily as I did from the very first time I saw max dead fish eyes gaze
I have a pretty high bar for abuse and I think it's super cringe when we classify everything as abuse or abuse light*, but yeah that video was ROUGH and made me feel sick. That was abuse for sure.
@@RaffleSnaffle20 i feel the same way brother i actually felt sick watching his brain try to spin the “let me do my sex act (no matter how degrading/dehumanizing it is)” but fuck ya feelings and fuck having to tend to them while im fucking your “corpse”. The whole conversation was just so disgusting. Especially people who agreed with the notion Shaelin went into the other room to cry as a power move as if MrGirl wasn’t just previously disregarding her need for emotional reassurance. (during sex not just hugging her at the end right after you laugh at her for emotionally not being able to process your lack of care for her emotional well-being )
“People tell me I’m very empathetic. I’m tired of constantly registering the emotions of others.” “Destiny, you are being too charitable to an emotionally damaged woman.” “I just want to fuck her and not care about her.” “She has to have sex with me.” “She has to figure out her own boundaries without my help, because doing that for her is too much emotional labor.”
I have gone down the Max road as far as I can now. It seems to me that there is a greater than 50% chance we are watching an abusive relationship as entertainment. I'm good on that.
People should stop giving Max the benefit of the doubt by believing he is just playing a character. For sure, he plays up certain things for the camera, like every content creator does. However, without trying to sound like Ana, if Max is being genuine in what he is saying then he is a legit sociopath.
It was Destiny who initially gave this dude a platform for that exact reason. Destiny enjoys people he thinks are edgy and always fails to read an obvious toxic person. What is the count this time? Is this the 5th piece of shit he's helped promote and grow a community, only to finally realize that they're a bad person too late? It's all so tiring.
@@ndt7379 Good point, I didn't even consider that. I was wondering why is as seeing a sudden resurgence of Mr. Girl popping up everywhere. This shit is fucking sad
I think Destiny conceded on Shaylin's questions being nonsensical and really about emotional reassurance too easily, the exact way the agreement works seems relevant. A lot of people just like to know exactly what to expect in the future, especially about things they aren't fully comfortable with. I feel like mrgirl expects a lot of charitability and good faith when he says things and doesn't give it to other people. He just decides what they're thinking and feeling and won't budge on it.
I'm sorry, did I hear that right? He wants his girlfriend to do something, but it'll only be enjoyable for him IF it's something she doesn't feel like doing? ._.
@@hartyewh1 yeah but he also said that he would hate it, if it turned out to be her fantasy all along. So the way I interpret it is that he explicitly needs it to be a selfish act and be accepted for it.
@@hartyewh1 I mean, that's what he's saying on the surface, but every time Destiny tries to drill down on that point, he makes it pretty clear that Shaelin's discomfort is /part/ of what he wants. He explicitly states that paying a prostitue to participate in the same act wouldn't fulfil the need, because she wouldn't be /giving/ him anything. The only thing Shaelin can give him that a prostitute couldn't is her willingness to "suffer" for his sake. If it was just about trusting her to handle "her side" there are a lot of different, better ways that he could get there. He's approaching this in this way because her expressing pain/discomfort is the only way that he can feel like he's exerting enough control.
@@leviathansweaters7207 You're approximately a 100% wrong. He's saying the opposite, but you just feel differently? Rather silly to start with, but what he says specifically and clearly is that he wants to feel that it, the effort, the sex, is for him to help him be able to enjoy it since usually he is only thinking about her enjoyment and basically whoring himself out. It's a funny fact that if she did it, as in chose to do it, and showed some discomfort or disinterest it would in fact underline that it's a service done for him, but it's not in any way part of what is desired. It's not complicated.
@@ladyvader3173At some point they were talking about building a nugget. Basically to get this special sexual thing he wants, he either has to build the nugget, or r@pe his partner. The third option he wants where he gets what he wants without having to participate in the nugget-making is basically so he can r@pe someone without feeling guilty (if he has the capacity for it) or be accused of r@pe. He literally wants to have his cake and eat it too, which feels like a huge theme in his relationships.
So too be clear, Mr. Girl said in another conversation with Destiny that when he has a problem he needs to resolve it as quickly as possible. He doesn't like space, and he puts that burden on his partner who does like space. But then in this conversation he says her emotions aren't his problem? Why the fuck are you in a relationship, dude? That's actually exactly your problem.
How did you miss the point about emotions not being his problem? He isn't saying he doesn't want to deal with them EVER. Here's an example of what he wants to avoid: 1: Hey, let's go to the movies. 2: Ok, sounds fun! 1: What did you think about the movie? 2: Actually going to the movies made me really upset, you shouldn't have asked me to go. I missed an important meeting because of it. 2: *starts crying* 1:??? In a scenario like this it's pretty unfair to blame 1 for what happened. Now 1 is assumed to calm her down and deal with what ever she might do. Here, Max would say he doesn't feel like he should be responsible to calm her down. She should deal with her emotions. Its not Max's job to deal with an adults emotions like that. You would be an absolute doormat to start babysitting a woman because she's crying in a situation like this. People are really comfortable with saying that women are weak these days.
@@TunaIRL 1. I didn't miss the point, the point is sociopathic because... 2. He's not talking about the movies, he's talking about using her body whether or not she likes it. His point would be WAY more valid, and you would sound like way less of a simp if he wanted a day that was his own, where he just got to not worry about his girlfriend's problems. But that's not what he's asking for, and he's explicitly ignoring her clear boundaries and reservations to make himself happy. That is not normal human behavior, and its not healthy relationship behavior.
@@blitz8425 I didn't make a direct comparison between them... That's why I said it's an example of what he wants to avoid. What do you think of that example is what I want to know. As a bonus question: do you think Shaelin wants to do what max was asking for?
@@TunaIRL "It's not Max's job to deal with somebody's emotions"... nobody is saying that but good luck having any relationship with somebody if you don't have sensitivity to their feelings. Your hypothetical just isn't relevant. Max wasn't simply saying he wants to be free of caring about her emotions when she doesn't speak about her emotions, and even if he is, that's a _way_ more complicated topic in regards to sex than the gd movies. Hypotheticals are important but so is making them of equal importance.
@@MeMe-nm7jr It's not a comparison. It's an example of what he means, not a comparison on what he did. It's an example of a similar situation that he wants to avoid. It's an example of what he's talking about. Do you get that? But I guess your unwillingness to answer tells me that you agree with what I said about the example. It's fine to agree, it's not a trap I was just curious.
Mr. Girl seems like the kind of abusive partner who would just as well slap you for doing a thing, or not doing a thing, in a relationship… sociopathy 101. When you watched his discussion with his “partner” it almost seemed like there wasn’t anything she could say that he wouldn’t disagree with.
The things he wants require complete trust and comfortability with someone, but he hasn’t laid that groundwork. He just expects the outcome he wants without being willing to lay the foundation for it. That’s what I think destiny meant when he made the “throwing someone off a cliff and expecting them to trust that there’s a balloon to catch them at the bottom” analogy but I don’t think he understood the point since he just made it a “women are babies” thing
Healthy relationships take a lot of work, and contrary to whatever Max thinks about himself, he is clearly too concerned about his own wants and needs to be a good partner to her. She deserves so much better.
Being entirely serious, most Narcissists or those with relevant mixed personality disorders think they're "empaths". Its primarily because they typically have a strong grasp of cognitive empathy (ability to read other's emotions) while having little to no capacity for emotional empathy (ability to emotionally connect with others aka love) or compassionate empathy (ability to understand and share others emotions).
The further into this conversation I get, the more it sounds like Max just wants Shaelin to be someone that she isn't, but he completely lacks the self-awareness to realize that he's doing it. Someone like Max will date a younger or less self-confident woman to ensure he can control the relationship and get almost everything he wants out of it. The only reason he's having issues with it now is because he's decided he also wants her to have the confidence to agree to let him handle her like a doll. Instead of finding someone who can vibe with his expectations, he wants to dig deeper into his current relationship, blaming Shaelin for not being what he needs until she changes who she is to capitulate to him. Most of his wild arguments can be rebutted with "if you're fundamentally incompatible with her on this, and you won't be happy or fulfilled without it, then why don't you just break up with her and find someone who's on your wavelength"? If you're looking for hard boundaries and emotional maturity, Max, maybe you should date women your age.
This is a guy who hit a former partner and is open about saying it might happen again. And then he reduced his girlfriend to tears on camera, called her a monster, and smiled when he heard her cry. I get he's intelligent and his rationalisations are some top quality sophistry, but what does the guy have to say or do before people think he's actually the person he presents himself as? Even if it's all a character he's playing, the character isn't a good guy.
@@lavabeard5939 this doesn’t feel like the behavior of an intelligent person. This feels like the behavior of someone who has been profoundly stunted by trauma/abuse at some point in their life, and now their behavior is causing pain in the life of someone they’re in a relationship with.
Y'know, at first I thought Mr. Girl was VERY intelligent. The more I see of him, I realize he's incredible smart, which is absolutely a different thing than being intelligent. He's very unintelligent. He's just knowledgeable about human psychology, but that's as far as it goes.
but broooo I've been serving females all my life, I'm just sooooooo sick of caring about other people it's just a total vibe killer. Do you get why I want to r ä p3 someone now?!?!?
He either directly said or at least obviously meant that hes not pushing her to do anything sexual. He asked about the sexual thing and then pushed her about the way she responded to it.
@@a_mage_as_old_as_joe1598His approach to that conversation with her was PRETTY sketch... And that's only from listening to his side of the story, which is presumedly painting the situation in the best possible light, for him. I'd imagine hearing her side of the story would look even worse.
The fact that 25-50% of DGG agrees with MrGirl is honestly sad to me. It seems like Destiny has unironically created a ton of incels over the past 6 months or so.
By definition incels can’t be created. An incel is someone who is involuntarily celibate, one cannot be turned involuntarily celibate, either they were already intentionally celibate or already involuntarily celibate.
I remember when he first talked to Destiny he was demanding he "trust him" like out of the blue. Dude is extremely disturbed. I wouldn't be surprised if he has had run-ins with law enforcement in the past.
So the issue is he started the conversation by pointing out that if she said no he would break up with her. And so she couldn't explicitly sat no, unless she was willing to sacrifice the relationship. That's my biggest take away.
@@Gullysands if this point is a deal breaker for him then no, he should break up. However, the issue is that the way he conducts himself Is very manipulative. Instead of saying "hey i want x, are you up for that?" He says "hey I want x, and if you're not up for that then I'm leaving, so do you want to do it or do you want to break up with me?" One of those is significantly more manipulative than the other.
he's hamming it up, but he's so deranged that he doesn't realize the derangement is coming through much stronger than the performance he's trying to project
@@David-tl6ix I think they're kind of one in the same now. The lines are too blurred. The nuance Max relishes in discourse has kind of uroboros'd on itself and now there is too much Max-distilled micro-nuance that's interwoven together as to be otherwise indistinguishable Steven said it best: he's being more than charitable to Max, because to not write the man off at this point and actually engage and entertain his idiosyncrasies, and even be able to relay his line of thought back to him, is charity enough
Going back and watching this now, after everything imploded, is incredibly eye opening. This interaction says so much about the deep character that mrgirl has and who he is
man I was about to comment the exact same thing, I can't believe the amount of charity mentally gave to this guy during the whole arc, I made up a million excuses for him bc I like a low of his videos and now looking back I can't believe I didn't fully understand it, but when this came out I was definitely questioning him
Destiny at this point I'm convinced that you are just feeding clout to a psychopath, which I believe will only further play into him having larger power dynamics between him and some potential victim.. I believe the ethical thing to do at this point is quit speaking to Mr. Girl. If you do not and something I happens, I hope you understand that you will primarily be morally responsible for the outcome.
@@Giemma3 They both would be responsible. But I don't consider Mr Girl a moral actor, morals don't really seem to be his thing. So i consider it destiny, a moral actor, responsible. Would it be a stretch to say that destiny is primarily the reason Mr Girls following has grown? If so you've recognize my point.
I don’t think Destiny cares about being moral... It just seems like he wants to do “edgy” things to get attention like platforming this obviously creepy guy and still sort of defend him
@@MustardSkaven So the main evidence I'd give of as a psychopath is the end of "You my real sex doll" video he laughs while his girlfriend is crying in the other room. Now you could give him an extreme benefit of the doubt that this was nervous laughter, but I'm getting sick of giving people the benefit. I believe this to be clear evidence of getting pleasure by others suffering.
"I'm protecting her from the masses" give me a break lmao. He just wants control of the narrative. He's protecting Mr Girl, and no one else. He's so clearly the one in the wrong here, and he knows that if she were able to talk live and unedited, he'd look even worse... then his next video would be the story about how she fell down the stairs face-first. He pretty much just admitted as much by saying "oh it's okay when I put her on video though because I can control it and edit it."
(208th copypasta of this) Mr. Girl is what happens when a reasonably intelligent, white, middle class, bearded cis male spends his life being medicore, realizes it in his mid 30s, and invests in a webcam and a microphone instead of a therapist.
"i am going to protect her from livestreaming" this really feels like a situation she needs to get away from, i hope they are actually going to therapy so she has some outlet away from an audience consuming a controlled (and edited) narative.
YOU'RE A MONSTER - MrGirl's Girlfriend Breaks Down On Camera ►ua-cam.com/video/Wb4TdXmL6Pg/v-deo.html
Projection.
@@b0bbyGG This isnt someone you really wanna promote. While hes an interesting case study hes not a good person at all.
@@b0bbyGG linking to his channel would be promoting him destiny by and large debates with him, not do a "hey guys heres this channel mr girl ive watched his stuff and seen his streams please like and suubscribe" normally yeah its proper etiquette and yeah i guess destiny is breaking it but like.... cry about it? hows this, destiny not linking his channel at the cost of normal internet procedure is an acceptable trade off to me.
@@alex-qd6of l
Oh please, oh please, yes, moderate a conversation between Max and Shaolin(*sp). Edited after is still worth it.
It seems like mrgirl hates being in a relationship because he's very self absorbed but he desperately needs to be in a relationship because he's very self absorbed.
Exactly.
💯 ^^
✨narcissism✨
Textbook codependence
hes self abmorbed
I don’t like this guy. He is a controlling narcissist. He’s unpleasant to everyone.
I think calling it performance art is another way of him thinking he can cleverly outsmart and fool everyone.
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I hate him so much
did he call it performance art?
If that's true it's so much worse
Max the type of guy to break into Destiny's house to stand over his bed with a knife so he can prove he's a good person.
Max the reason I own a Wiley Coyote style bear trap
Getting up to pee in the middle of the night is a real pain but I think it's worth it
He needs the world to know he's right but he's not.
If he treated me like how he treats his girlfriend I would beat him up and leave him.
Seems like a very real possibility, by now.
Glad Steven & Melina are moving soon 🌿
Max: I could’ve stabbed you but I didn’t so therefore I am a good person..
BEAUTIFUL point. Max is a complex abuser dude.
I genuinely don't get why people see Mr. Girl as stable or a good conversational partner. He cannot be convinced of anything, and always considers dissent to be the most mallacious as possible.
Your gut feeling is often right and we all knew this guy was a maniac from the first second we listened to him
@@test-zg4hv agreed but Vaush never admitted to finding kids attractive. This guy is completely nuts
He’s slimy and always seems to be trying to trick whoever he’s talking to. A good barometer for whether someone is a good person or not is would you be comfortable with them starting a conversation with your child even while you’re standing there. That’s a BIG BIG BIGGGGGG NO for MrGirl. Fucking creep.
@@olo_smooth_olo5606 Exactly. I unsubbed for a bit to get this guy out of my feed because of how much airtime Steven was giving him and I can’t stand this creep. Subbing back now that I hopefully won’t hear much more of his general awfulness on this channel.
@@olo_smooth_olo5606 you know, except for all the times it isn't. A lot of racists going off of a lot of gut and a lot of feelings, buddy. But hey, who the hell am I stop text book confirmation bias? After all, if you were right this time, how could you ever have been wrong? Check mate atheists. Then again, *my* gut feeling is telling me you bumble through life judging people on minimal information and wonder why you're lacking friends while telling yourself its about quality and not quantity, so it's pretty spot on sometimes, huh, chief?
For Max to come away from that conversation feeling like SHE was the one that was being abusive or controlling is insane
Its because he knows some weird stuff went down in that situation. Thats not how relationships function. But he can also never be wrong, so the source of weirdness must be coming from her
If this guy doesn't end up on the news one day, it's because he got away with everything.
I feel like he will end up in jail soon 😂 personally idk he just doesn't seem stable like he might do something stupid and get locked up
Just like The Ghost of Kiev. He can’t keep getting away with it
@@ronaldcatullus Just like the Kharkiv Kid Finder
I mean he did already in college
"HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY IT!
HE POISONED A LITTLE GIRL NAMED DESTINY
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT"
MrGirl is the guy Ana thinks Destiny is.
Actually true no cap
Trueeeeee
100%
Funny
@yasmmeen kamal not funny
He used specific language to make her feel uncomfortable. IE calling her a shrex doll, saying she doesn’t have a choice she has to. Then gets upset that she isn’t 100% on board and calls her controlling because according to him it’s not about her. Very very dishonest. He’s creating the conflict to manipulate her with guilt. Gross.
In front of millions mind you. The whole “I’m protecting her from live streaming” is a huge red flag, he’s admitting he won’t platform her without editing her.
hes only doing it cause he knows u are bored and in need of some parasocial entertainment. u are welcome.
@@6cmcnc6 Yeah he's just protecting himself, not her.
Who gives a fuck at the end of the day lmfao, for me I wouldn’t let people like this in my life, not hating or anything though, you should found a slave at this point if you ask me.
@@niclastname thats one conclusion that ive come to with this. hes afraid of being ultimatly vulnerable. sure hes vulnerable by being on the internet but hes only projecting his views to feel a sense of control/ power over the world and intern himself since he is the one posting and making the content.
This is the kind of psychological hell I avoid at all costs. I don't want my relationships to be this complicated.
I imagine that's how most people feel, and why most people see Max as the fucked up one here making the relationship this complicated.
This dude is a complete mess lamo.
@@WanderTheNomad Yeah I've been on the fence about this guy for some time, at first he was a little charming I was like oh I guess he's trying to do the avantgarde thing. But now I honestly think he's fuckin' nuts. The conversation with his girlfriend, I cringed so hard almost every second of it. The guy is like a brick wall, I can't tell if he's being intentional obtuse or if he really processes emotions this poorly. Strikes me as a guy that has a relatively high IQ but an abysmal EQ.
As long as you aren’t a sadistic narcissist you probably won’t have these issues
@@reptilianflizzy497 Wrong, being a disciplined sadist and narcissist is better than just being nice.
Mrgirl's honesty about what a complete POS he is will eventually be the undoing of both this relationship and his online presence.
I genuinely hope his gf runs away.
Unfortunately I dont think so. If you read his chat or youtube comments its a whole different ball game. If anyone thinks Destiny is being charitable its amazing how charitable they are to Max.
This aged well
Just gonna put this out there...
A relationship shouldn't be comprised of people vying for a victory over one another. A healthy relationship I think should be seen as a "couple" who are on the same team working towards the same goal. Being victorious over your partner in an argument shouldn't be the desired outcome imo.
*A Wild mark appears*
fact
It's interesting to watch your videos knowing you're an avid DGGer
A goal like both parties being able to set boundaries and 1 party not being to one to have to set all of them? Yeah, i agree.
There are ALWAYS things you want to do in a relationship and the other does not. You should negotiate on that. You literaly can't if the other never sets boundaries. Than YOU are the only one deciding. That is why max is trying to fix. He is teaching her how to be able to work as a team.
Ah well this was a plot twist
I used to think his whole "personality" was contrived to get more attention. Now I just think he is actually just a sociopath.
He's a sociopath that calls for more empathy in society. He's an oddball, I think that's why I like his content.
@@mcjcave18 it's quite simple. It's a survival technique for someone that would have been ostracized in a polite society.
@@mcjcave18 might be so that his behavior is excused
I'm glad people are finally catching on
@@mcjcave18 you like his content because he's manipulative? Lol the empathy he's calling for his for himself not people in general. Listen to what he actually says. There's a lot of sociopaths that are self aware and do try to be more empathic. He's absolutely not one of them.
I would be astounded if anyone could observe their relationship for a period and come away thinking that Max is the one who is always 'serving' in the relationship
No, this is absolutely coming from the meatspace of Max's mind and how he's already squared away the feelings of his relationship as like an emotional battleground, calling the enemy the devil to radicalize his own feelings, calling her micro-manipulative--essentially feeding himself propaganda. Granted, while we don't entirely know the ins and outs of his relationship, Max could be preaching to aspects of Shaelin that we don't see on camera because this is kind of all we have really. So he comes off as unbelievable because he absolutely has no way of framing Shaelin's perspective charitably without feeling that it may be giving her power or coddling her.
@@sialiasialis. When he says that bit about serving or coddling her, I'm assuming his fantasy is a hyper fixation of getting away from catering to his parents as a kid. I grew up kind of the same way, where I'd feel like I could basically read my parents' mind just by what their face looked like, and if I were to become traumatized by that experience, I could see wanting to steer an aggressive amount away from that, and want a relationship where you're basically not acknowledging the other person. When this topic becomes about sex, what you're asking is that the person not desire the sex you want to have to avoid feeling like you're catering again. It basically becomes borderline rape, because it has to feel like the other person didn't necessarily consent to this. In my opinion, he needs the consent to be in a gray zone, and that sounds extremely dangerous to me. Relationships are based on trust, and that only comes with a bunch of foundational work, that requires him to be "unhappy" before this conversation even remotely becomes viable.
This is an extremely unique, and vicariously dangerous or grayzone area, especially when it comes to sex, because what he wants is almost impossible in a relationship.
It’s interesting that it’s clear what he views as serving, when that exact dynamic is what keeps him in power. If he truly wanted to serve her, he would try to help and enable her to develop her own sense of what she’s feeling, rather than doing it for her, keeping her dependent on him.
So I have a bit of a correction to myself. It sounds like he just wanted her not to be entirely emotionally reliant on him to help her say what she wants. It basically sounds like she's a bit emotionally underdeveloped as compared to him, by his own words. It sounded like he didn't want to deal with her being vague, and trying to give queues or hints about what she wants, instead of explicitly saying what she wants. He saw doing that as having a form of power over him.
@@RS-fy9hb He should have said he wanted a yes or no. Instead he ignored her opposition and pressured her to say yes. Her reason for not wanting to directly say no to him lays the problem. She said he threatened her with a break up when she says no. He is being abusive. If they are not s-xually compatible then fine break up, but he shouldn’t emotionally/mentally force himself on her. He’s trying to have his cake and eat it too.
I've seen enough, for months I wrote this guy off as just "an edgy guy who's shtick is how he's honest in weird ways", but now I'm just straight up convinced he's actually insane/a sociopath, the complete disregard for his girlfriend is nuts, and he's so proud of it.
All this is performative man I completely agree its just getting old
Idk, I don’t buy it. I don’t think he’s ACTUALLY a sociopath. I think he’s just obsessed with trying to look like he’s some edgy sociopath cringe lord and so he really leans into those behaviors to make himself look stronger. Like more of a fragile narcissist. Either way, it’s become more and more cringe and obvious as time goes on, and no matter what he’s still a shit bag loser. Idk why destiny still entertains his shit under the guise of it being some unique perspective that he’s interested in exploring.
@@FoeverDirt he's just so much of a contrarian, the Britney convos...., like he goes out of his way to twist even the most straight forward questions into these weird introspections that don't make any sense.
Like after a while my brain turns off, and I get completely lost in what the fuck he's talking about.
This dude such a narcissist control freak its oozes out of him.
I remember receiving A LOT of hate for dismissing Mr. Girl as just another creepy edgelord. “But you haven’t even SEEN his ‘I’m a pedophile’ video!!! He’s so enlightened and profound!!!”
Feels good to have been right all along
@@alexd4566 feels good to receive validation
It's amazing how he comes out of the conversation with his gf thinking she was the abusive one.
Max picked a girl because she was the lowest hanging fruit from the assertive tree and now he's frustrated that she isn't more assertive. Ironically, If she was more assertive, Max wouldn't have had a chance with her.
DING DING DING DING
Mic drop 😆
Yes! Normal, confident women would be like: “What the fuck did you just say to me?”, leave the room, and move on.
Bingo.
He didn't pick her, he added 500 women on Facebook out of desperation and she responded
Don't think he sees how incredibly unrealistic his expectations are and how psychologically damaging this is. Dude is in trouble and can't see it. Excise the darkness before something terrible happens.
Yeah, it's like he doesn't understand the difference between fantasy and reality. He feels entitled to have what he wants. Instead of coming to the obvious fucking conclusion that he nor anyone can get everything you want. You don't get to be 100% yourself if your an abusive weird guy who's pretty rapey and probably a pedo. "I want that 12 yo sex".
Totally agree. Watching Destiny watch the original video, as Shaelyn was talking, I thought, "She's going to lay there crying as quietly as possible, and if she ever finds the self-confidence to tell him, at best he won't care and at worst he'll be happy that's how she felt, and either response will break her entirely."
It's so troubling that he either knows, and doesn't care, or somehow genuinely can't see why telling his girlfriend he'd like to have sex with a body he's allowed to have sex with, but specifically would not like to have sex with her as a person, would be (or at a minimum can be) psychologically devastating.
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 "She's going to lay there crying as quietly as possible, and if she ever finds the self-confidence to tell him, at best he won't care and at worst he'll be happy that's how she felt, and either response will break her entirely." That's not at all what she did though. She cried very, very loudly. Almost as if she wanted him to hear that - so that he'd console her. Like a caretaker. Which kinda proves his point.
@@Arcana_Veritas_EN it’s almost like she just cried and was literally one room away, stop giving in to shitty manipulator logic, mrgirl constantly shifts goalposts so he can never be assigned blame
@@Arcana_Veritas_EN I believe he amped the audio of her crying in the video.
I think I've broken the code, and it's actually pretty simple:
MrGirl believes women are naturally abusive in relationships because they tend to approach things in a less direct manner as a way of maintaining a sort of under the table power.
He then believes this gives him the right to be abusive back, as a way of taking away that power since he believes this sort of indirect manipulation is inherently unacceptable. Therefore his abuse is justified and therefore not even abuse at all since it is more direct and verbalized.
Basically, hes an internal incel
Sounds like Max has mommy issues tbh.
I love how you essentially defend underhanded power plays to dunk on mrGirl.
Wait... this is just incoherant. Yes one can use the less-direct style of communication as a means of doing underhanded power plays. This is where machiavellianism, passive-agression, and manipulation can lay. Someone can also use seemingly direct language as a means of power plays. But there are ways in which someone who uses softer language, who feels that being extremely direct can come with being overly agressive and hurtful, who doesnt use this softer language as a power play. It's called being diplomatic. And MrGirl often assumes that just because someone doesn't cut straight to the meat and potatoes, means they are trying to hide something. Please explain how speaking with pinpoint directness is always the best way to do things and speaking with softer language is always underhanded power plays... Yes, rule of thumbs is, people should be as direct as possible, but someone can speak in a way that gets the point across without using language that is commonly understood by empathetic regular people as harsh or intense.
For example, therapists work with very vulnerable and volatile patients, and it's well-understood that direct and confrontational plain communication might actually cause more harm in a situation. So they use positive affirmations to ensure that the assertive part they want to get out is being percieved by the other party as not negative in connotation. Assertive and less than perfectly direct language is a pragmatic workaround that people use because most people place emotional baggage and connotations onto language making it slightly less than objective in practice. So no, he isn't "ESSENTIALLY defending underhanded power plays" becuase not all less direct communication is intended or used for power plays.@@Nosirt
Btw, I think this de-objectifying of language has gotten way out of hand.. and that we should be socializing girls and boys to operate speaking in as direct of terms as possible. But since people use language often more conceptually and interpretively and also combine body language and inflection, we currently don't have a perfectly standardized formula for perfectly direct communication. There are good people who are direct and less direct communicators and there are plenty of horrible people who are direct and indirect communicators because we have other things like connotation, inflection, past-experience with certain styles of communication that fog the delineation between direct and indirect. All this to say, your point is myopic.
Well, he's definitely not an incel (short for involuntary celibate). He is a pathological contrarian for sure, possibly a machiavellian.
Something that's important to remember in relationships is that it can FEEL like you're managing other people's emotions, without realizing that they're managing yours a lot as well. Be honest when you take inventory of how much/little your partner is actually doing for you. You can't directly feel their labor like you can your own, so it's really easy to miss. It feels like Max misses all of the labor his partners would do for him.
I don’t think if we can tell by the info we have been given whether Max “misses all of the labor,” but everything else you said is accurate.
@@atarigal The reason I feel that ways is that basically every reaction Max's girlfriend had in that video was well within what Id expect a rational, normal person to have. He met them with aggression because his perception of them was "pissing him off". Despite his statements being pretty forward and aggressive. It seems like he was taking all the space to be upset and framing her as an abuser, demon, manipulator for not conforming to what he wanted emotionally.
Now, you're right that we cant say he doesn't appreciate her emotional labor in the relationship as a whole, but I think in the interaction we saw onscreen, it's not crazy to say he was not recognizing ANY of her efforts to meet him halfway.
Reminds of that thing where you ask each member in the relationship what percentage of the chores they do, and you come up with a percentage over 100%
I'm kindof a crazy person and I have a very strong sense that my feelings are *always* wrong or invalid.
I very much depend on having well grounded people in my life who will tell me when I'm being insane.
Noooo not Mr Girl The Empath 💀 he could never be misinterpreting her emotions as his own narcissistic desires or anxieties. Whaaaat
“Im just protecting her from social media.”
One of the common signs of domestic abuse is the abuser trying to cut off the abused from outside sources and opinions (usually their family).
She has a webcomic lmao
Max is a psycho, but social media can be incredibly destructive for certain people (particularly if they're very young or mentally/emotionally unstable)
@@kevincola3184 He clearly isn't aware if he thinks that he can just fix this shit by proposing to her. Even if it did work and she did say yes then marrying her would just make things worse.
I know being an armchair psychologist is fun, but this was addressed in the video a couple times. He says what he means from that is that he doesn't want to platform her through his platform. He seemingly trying to keep her away from the type of constant scrutiny he's under, like this idiotic comment. He doesn't keep her from her family, nor does he keep her from even using social media. She does a web comic and uses Twitter.
That said im not really defending him here, I think most of his actions In this video are pretty gross, but to make the jump that he's doing stuff like keeping her from her family with no evidence is pretty absurd.
That's the weird thing is he used sarcasm, but he is incredibly meta, so it could be a manipulation tactic to convince Destiny that it doesn't happen, and Destiny isn't falling for it cuz he's like "well I dunno, but if it were true I wouldn't be surprised."
This all seems so contrived.
basically:
"If I want something but my partner also wants it, I stop wanting it because it seems like I'm just doing what my partner wants and then it isn't really about what I want anymore."
Okay. So you're a pathological contrarian? Great recipe for perpetual dissatisfaction and root behaviors no sane person would ever want to deal with.
Hilarious and sensible take.
Thats not what he is saying, he is saying he wants those 12 minutes to be about him, and if they both want the same thing it gets really blurry as to who it is about. In order to get clarity about who this is about, she cant want the same thing.
@@Vitross then maybe he shouldn't be in a relationship if someone liking what is sexually happening to them is a turnoff.
Based take. What’s even more disturbing are all the disaffected incels in DGG who still enjoy his content.
@@Vitross
You do realize your last sentence is literally goes straight to the point.
What would it matter if they want the same thing, and why would her wanting the same as him make him feel like it isn't about him unless he's too dense as to not define what he wants in terms of being contrary to what she wants?
If your sense of something being "about you" is predicated on it not being lateral to the goals or desires of others lest it "confuse you in terms of who it's really about", you're either on a tangent failing to realize that "who it's about" is irrelevant if you're achieving your goals and desires(which probably means you're on the narcissistic spectrum since the illusion of focus on your ego is coming at the expense of practical fulfillment of tangibles), or your goals and desires are predicated on being in opposition to your partner which makes you a pathological contrarian or just fundamentally incompatible with your partner.
Given that Mr.girl seemed candid about the fact that it's not about specific desires or goals, but about the self-focus part, we're left with either NP spectrum levels of denseness or some silly addiction to stubborn contrarianism - which given his library of content, seems to be 90% of his personality.
Either which way, it's handicap alright.
You can't be 16 again bro. Stop
The fact that hes so reluctant to let her share her side of the story is a huge red flag. "Protecting her from the masses" like really?
The better way of protecting her from the masses would be to not film and post this conversation online.
Based on the interview Max did, she doesn't want any of this discussed online, and didn't even want the video posted. I think she resents the idea that her personal life is being made a show of online. She's emotionally distraught about it all, and now thousands of people are talking about it with her breakdown, a moment of huge vulnerability, is now public for people to see over and over if they wanted. I doubt she wants to talk about it online. It would just result in a retread of her argument with Max.
@@ohno5507 i think more people think max is in the wrong here. but you're right
@@ShinyFood for clarity, I don't think Max is right in this
@@ohno5507 same same ye dw it didn't come off as that
Contrary to Max's claim, I think destiny was overly charitable to him
100% yes
Yeah I’m at 1:20:00 right now and I don’t understand why he’s not willing to be more direct with Max and is willing to speak as negatively as he is about her. He’s kind of conceding very quickly to a lot of Max’s claims about her being “manipulative”.
Tldr; Mr.girl is too high maintenance to engage with even as a viewer. He is exhausting, selfish, and overall depressing. I'm gonna be avoiding any mr.girl vids from now on.
I'm reacting to this 5 months late after watching the interview. It didn't help make him look better to me. It did finally help me understand one of the key reasons I despise mr.girl. He is high maintenance in every aspect he puts on display. Whether it is a friend, boyfriend, or content creator.
Nothing is surface level with him, everything HAS to have a deeper meaning. As much as it helps him it hinders him. He has to be aware of everything on a macro and micro scale, and so should you, All the time. There is no break from it. It's exhausting.
She didn't say no, of course she's not gonna say no...
...because of the implication...
Hahaha... Max is the Dennis of lefty youtube.
Thats when you know a show was truly ahead of its time
We dont do implications around here buddy! In the max's universe, it speak your mind and faces the consequences head-on or cower in fear while perishing like the weak noam you are! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I've been in a relationship with somebody like this (though not nearly as extreme). People like Max make sure there's a price you'll pay for not doing what they want. They'll create a situation in which it's easier to go along with things than to deal with the subsequent verbal abuse, dirty looks, passive-aggressiveness, angry tirades or other "punishing" behaviors.
@@shelleycline3542 no he's the charlie who learned "alot of good things" from dennis
This conversation is so weird because I can’t even fathom not wanting to care about the other person during sex. That’s part of what makes it so intimate, the care for each other and the trust in each other
Maybe he’s not being as honest as he states he’s being and has Necrophilia or something.
Sometimes for some ppl to focuses on the other person during sex means u don’t get off, then ur gf gets insecure because u didn’t cum even though she did if u have anxiety bad enough getting off during sex is nearly impossible especially if u add in the potential non pleased person ur with. I’m a lot like that most women don’t understand that. The pressure to perform and also be performed on. Sometimes it’s just easier to masterbate just so I don’t have to worry about the others pleasure or lack of mine because I’m so focused on them.
I mean that part alone isn’t bad. I’ve known ppl who get turned on by the idea of their needs being the only ones that matter that were very nice and good partners. The thing is that was just a fantasy for those ppl they liked to live out with ppl but in reality the still did actually care about how other ppl involved feel.
@@ataraxia7439 ya exactly but the point is that in the back of your head you know they care about you, even during sex and they won’t actually hurt you. With Mr.Girl it seems like you can’t actually know that
@@yahoohotmail4127 I think we should guide him into the lovely profession of embalming as a side gig.
either hes lying intentionally or hes misremembering but SHE 100% in that convo said "idk I cant agree to this right now I gotta think about it." and he pushed through that.
MrGirl: My partner is not my child, i dont want to be responsible for their emotions
Also MrGirl: I must protect my partner from the internet, they couldnt handle it
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Not only is this sociopathic its not even logical. If you want a certain outcome out of sex with your partner its in your best interest to help them be in the right emotional state that they need to be in.
He wants her to monitor her own emotions...helping her with her emotions is the exact opposite of her handling them herself
@@ddawg3230 when does he speak in anything other then clickbait titles? He's asking his partner to help him work through something - doesnt matter when the trauma happened if neither of them are enjoying the intimate part of their relationship because neither of them enjoys intimacy they need to work on it or break up. Just because it provokes an emotion in you doesnt mean that's what either is feeling
he would 100% call that grooming and infantalization
I personally think that's because there's a level of asadism going on. Max seems to feel so hurt and fucked up by whatever happened to him while he was growing up that now he can only feel safe/happy when he's projecting that pain onto others. Part of the sex request is that pain/discomfort. He's making her upset because he *wants* her to be upset.
@@leviathansweaters7207 likewise she doesn't seem to leave because she expects to be upset - it isn't abnormal, it is the norm. To be truly happy would be abnormal for her.
Mr Girl just can't be in a relationship. If you just go for team kills in a team game, you're a bad team player.
Fuckin nerdy way of putting it but super apt
@@Adam-tu1lk "Tackle the guys on the *other* team"
@@joaor3357 Imagine being so inexperienced with women that you can't see how manipulative Mr Girl is.
@@joaor3357 imagine defending mrgirl in any way in this conversation...
Well he’s been in one for 7 years and they are still fine. Seems like he can be
Call me crazy, but i think mrgirl has some childhood trauma he needs to work out.
He's said so repeatedly many times. Particularly his response video to the doll video.
@@hartyewh1 But his version of "changing" is just doing the thing he has always done but louder - with more aggression. I don't think he recognizes what the problem is or cares to.
@@MikeSW I think it takes stages. Cut off family and friends who make it impossible to develop yourself, be boundary nazi to have any chance of holding on to them, find a balance in a relationship, start letting go of the overly aggressive support behaviors... Something like that. Just fixing yourself in a cave seems like a silly and not only unrealistic, but a surreal idea.
Max is SOOOO dense and oblivious to regular human interactions, explicitly with just basic negotiation skills. I will watch him on Destiny or other channels, but I will NEVER give him a view on his own channel. He is deranged.
Mr. Girl's perspective on relationships is so post-modern and disconnected that I literally can't understand or process it. How can you only see relationships as just a power game? It's so self-centered and it's hard to see it as anything other than abusive.
Because it's not really a "relationship" as we know it. I don't think he's really able to feel love like a typical human can so obviously it's going to look insane to people with completely different frameworks than a sociopath.
It’s what happens when you pathologize everything and think that life is a zero sum game where every compromise is inherently a loss.
This guy has always rubbed me the wrong way. He’s a creep, I wouldn’t leave him alone with an animal, kids, or women.
I'd leave him alone in the woods though.... drive home and never mention it
Oh, but you'd leave him alone with men? I see how it is...
@@wisemage0 lol
#facts
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I wouldn't even leave him alive in the woods
She’s clearly communicating boundaries that anyone can read and he’s demanding she communicate those boundaries in a way she is not comfortable with. The people defending his position are literal psychopaths.
This. She is so OBVIOUS in her boundaries that anyone who can’t read that has something missing from their ability to empathize with anyone.
You cant say clearly communicating boundaries that anyone can read. You having to read them means they werent clear. Alot of women are passive to a point of toxicity now were they have an unreasonable fear and cannot speak directly.
Mr girl literally tells her he doesn't care about her feelings yesterday and people still defend this man
@@godzfinestnumba1g I’m sorry but I’m having to read your comment, so you’re not communicating clearly enough
@@DanielEvanClarke That's not even witty. There is a huge difference from reading a sentence and reading someone's emotions.
It's very simple boys. Whenever you find yourself entering 'Debate Bro Mode' when conversing with your partner about other topics than politics, you've stepped over a line from which you should immediately walk back from. Otherwise you are heading for unevitable destruction of your relationship. Never 'Debate Bro Mode' your relationship.
This guy’s a sociopath and I absolutely condemn pretty much everything he did and said in that video. However I’m not sure I agree that you can’t be in “debate mode” in an argument with your girlfriend, wife, etc. When I have a disagreement with anyone in my life, I keep the emotional level as low as possible, stay very calm, and try to only state facts first so that we can establish what’s actually true. Feelings are fine to talk about. That’s not the problem. The problem is that many people- including many women- think that feelings are a deciding factor in an argument. This is a huge problem, because everyone has their own feelings and they often have nothing to do with the facts of the matter. I know this about my own feelings as well- I am not claiming to be above it. But I think arguments in relationships need more logic, more facts, more truth-seeking in general, and these are also the things you should be doing in a debate. So I guess in that sense I would advocate for “debate mode.”
6 years and kicking.
Unless you debate in bad faith or are unecessarily aggresive I don't see what you mean by debate bro mode. I'm an ass and I stress points and I push a lot. I just found someone that was fine with that dynamic.
@@escenasdedreagonball4013 You literally defined what he means by "debate bro mode." The 2nd half of what you said is super important in the whole looking like a relationship is the goal too.
@@xbabu142x how would you define debate bro? Like to me is not inherently negative as much as descriptive of a particular culture that might or might not be negative
@@escenasdedreagonball4013 I thought anything + bro meant making the concept reductive and over exaggerated. Like how a gym bro is one that doesn't work out anything but chest and biceps.
It's crazy to me that MrGirl thinks that Destiny was being specifically charitable to Shaelyn when Destiny was actually being frustratingly charitable to MrGirl's inability to understand the implications of a complicated yes or no answer to such a fringe and uncomfortable request.
Asking for clarification and expressing reservations before agreeing to a habit/act that becomes a regular and normal thing is such a more responsible approach than maybe trying to do so AFTER it becomes a "regular and normal" thing.
MrGirl needs to understand that the manifestation of his fantasies with her come at the expense of another person who breathes, thinks, and lives not only as a human, but as one that strives to live equally in a happy relationship with him.
Almost seems like a weird form of grooming to me...
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His problem was she agreed to the thing and then got extremely vague about it, and from his words he feels like no matter what agreement is made then, when it comes time to actually follow through, she’ll fall back on her vague position, to say she didn’t agree to it. He just wanted a clear “yes let’s do this and if I decide otherwise we’ll stop”, or a “No” that was all, instead he got the strange “well when will we start?” Like if he said tomorrow, would she completely disagree to ever do this or will they go through with this and she’ll fall back on “well, I never agreed on when we would start, so you sexually assaulted me.”
@@brownmoor5794 he could've responded with a simple "wait, so was that a yes or a no?"
@@brownmoor5794 it's not a strange thing to ask... it's basically means she agrees but wants more info
@@WanderTheNomad yes he could’ve and should’ve but he has more experience interacting with her than I do, so maybe he already knows she won’t answer clearly, which he seems to believe as he says “She never makes agreements”.
@@skullingtonfx4441 I don’t know, MrGirl found it to be an “irrelevant” question. He seems to think it was just her trying to weasel out of the agreement without just saying “no, I don’t want to do this.”
This is the guy that wrote an article claiming destiny is abusive.
I'm curious as to why Mr. Girl wants a relationship. It sounds like he absolutely hates everything about relationships, and loves everything about casual intimate interactions. I hope she can find the courage to get out. I can only imagine how hard that could be while dealing with depression and a partner like mr girl at the same time.
hes a high control abuser
My main problem with Mr. Girl, is that he claims to read peoples minds and their intentions, he did that with pretty much every conversation he has on stream, he has 0 humility
Yeah he projects a lot that's why he's a red flag and a half
I feel like this is right but a lot of time I think he’s right people don’t say what they mean and hide what they say behind other statements the problem with him is he does this literally all the time and if he is wrong it’s just gonna create a bad conversation
He is a provocateur, he says shit like "You're jealous of my relationship" to effectively double dare you into argueing that isn't the case. So far, the only arguments I've seen defending the case that MrGirl was out of line have been pretty weak. I think he does have an ego, but he very much doubts himself and is constantly looking for reassurance in the form of challenging people. He relentlessly seeks out criticism, it's a big part of all his work.
Again, this is not some special ability he believes he has-though he does believe he is specially accurate at it. Everyone has an internal bullshit sensor, you utilize it to notice fake smiles, people who force themselves to cry, bad liars, etc. You automatically feel if someone is telling the truth or if they believe something else, mrgirl simply says that out loud. He doesn't need the other person to bend or to agree with him, he simply wants to be aknowledged. You cant choose to believe someone, all you can do is stop caring about your own sensor, or lie. Mrgirl wants to do neither.
@@danegreen629 Sometimes hes right but with lauren southern I think it was pretty obvious that she didnt trust him as much as he thought she secretly did. Then to tell her shes lying about her own feelings well.. It doesnt matter if you get it right a few times if many other times go this badly. His entire fan base asks him to please stop doing this because it derails every conversation once its happens. So that's really saying something
I think he was right when he confronted booksmarts though, that was great to watch
"When we're talking about women, it's like throwing a baby off a cliff, but when it's you and me, we just deal with our feelings."
Says the dude who can't cope with giving even 10% of his attention la mayo.
If my daughter was in this relationship I would be heartbroken.
I'd be in prison
This feels like a lost evengelion episode where Shinji is a dishevelled 30 year old talking to a sex therapist
Underrated comments
Get in the fucking robot, Max.
Misato: “I need you to get in the Eva, Shinji - this one last time”
Shinji: “I don’t believe that’s how you actually feel. See cause either I get in the robot in which case I lose, or I give up before doing so in which case I lose again. You’re the queen of double binds, Misato”
Max characterizes his girlfriend multiple times as manipulating, when at best he out-manipulated her into doing what he wants and is frustrated that she resisted so much.
It’s very clear from the other video and this conversation that MrGirl is just emotionally stunted in regards to both relationships and sexual encounters. It’s almost sad but it’s mostly just creepy. The pseudo intellectual way he tries to defend his clearly wrong views is also disturbing and I hope people don’t see this and think “wow he’s got a point”.
I think he's got a very good point.
@@joaor3357 You and your spunk buddy need to be on a list somewhere.
As you can see, the amount of people that side with Mr Girl is mindboggling and disturbing.
@@otmanh That’s what happens when you have Destiny treating people like Vaush and Hassan as somehow being worse than the nazis Nick Fuentes and Lauren Souther. You attract the far right incel types
Sociopaths are born when they have a childhood trauma.
I don't want to be her father. Also I'm going to protect her from online streaming.
He doesn't want to be, yes. I'm concerned with how some of you are blinded by bias
Sex isn’t a one sided act and it never will be. He is telling us what she feels and how she thinks. That right there is controlling. He doesn’t understand people and tries to define all her actions and thoughts around his ideology.
I try to imagine myself acting or saying the things he does about his girlfriend, with my someone I love, and it makes me genuinely sick to my stomach. I couldn't imagine treating that person that I love and care about more than words can explain in such a horrible, transactional, possessional, and abusive way. And MrGirl is proud of himself. I get everyone experiences love and relationships differently, but I just can't interpret that in any possible way that shows he has any love for his girlfriend.
He's an emotionally untrusting and broken person, and he thinks it's normal.
Yeah same here. My jaw was on the floor watching him speak to her like that. So dark, so cruel and manipulative. Edginess for the sake of it. Or he just enjoys being a jerk and a creep.
I have always loved how brutally honest Mr girl is but that video really put me off
@@joaor3357 👤 copium user 👤
They’ve been together what 7 years? With that information it genuinely seems he’s sick of her being vague and wants her to be explicit and she still refuses to be explicit. I’d say he should have broken up with her since she seems incapable of being explicit and unable to revoke a previous agreement.
If you asked me “let’s go out every weekend to hang out”
And I say “I guess that sound nice”
And then that weekend you come to me or call me up asking about it and my response is
“Well, I didn’t really agree to it and now it’s very weird cause it’s like you’re forcing me to go and I don’t know how to feel about that.”
We play out that scenario many times with different requests or agreements, even after you’ve discussed with me about being more clear, or even just outright saying “no I don’t want to do that” you’d get sick of it too.
I’d say he had no reason to do this in a video.
you couldn't even IMAGINE it? that actually isn't healthy most people if they actually explore there mind realise how easy it is to do bad things a lot of phycologists talk about it and it not entirely a bad thing cause you learn how easy it is to go there you just have to get past the uncomfortable feeling. also this exercise is often done with imagining torture so wayyyy worse than what you tried but you're results sugest you're lying to yourself and you didnt actually give it a good college try!
im not saying mrgirl aint mental btw im talking about imagining it not doing it im just sleep deprived and wanted to share this kinda grim info enjoy
This confirms that I will not partake in any content with mrgirl in it. He's a sociopath and it appears as though he's abusing his partner. Only half way through this but I hope destiny pushes back harder bc this is heartbreaking to watch. Mrgirl is openly gaslighting the fuck out of his partner and projecting so fucking hard.
I do think Mr. Girl either has autism or has literally gone so far down his insane social deconstructionist arc that he has literally given himself autism. It’s sad because I feel like he has some interesting concepts he was trying address about how certain social norms can actually cause and exacerbate the behaviors the norms were meant to prevent. Idk if he’s actually a sociopath or an artist went so far down the road of engaging some dark thoughts that he literally broke his brain.
I've been this guy and after a shit ton of therapy and still catching myself I really hope this guy gets some help. Not to be mean but I almost wonder if he has really bad mom/dad issues and feelings of abandonment.
Mr Girls logic is basically “The woman I kidnapped is locked in a shed, but she’s a manipulative abuser for asking asking questions about it”
Imagine pulling this insane shit out of anything that has been talked about here XD
@@Zentoxful how did u listen to 2 hours of this and not hear get this same reaction Lmao Sheesh incels are wild
@@MickaelChiasson
He really believes he's the only actual person alive, and that everyone else is merely an object who is there to serve him
@@dogeatdog6157 Im Sure you aware of hyperbole
@@Zentoxful are you 14 years old?
First 10 seconds of the video and the red flags are already as clear as ever. Please, everyone seeing this, don't get in a relationships with someone like that
As someone who's been in a relationship with someone like this, I second everything you said. This guy's throwing up more red flags than a communist army. If you see this kind of behavior in someone, RUN AWAY. Don't second-guess your perception. Don't wait and see if it gets better. LEAVE.
Mrgirl is terrifying. I am watching this after all of the Lav drama so I am biased, but I still dont understand how he has ever convinced anyone to trust him
Mr. girl looks like the Incel wojak with frizzy hair. I fucking hate that Destiny gives so much Charitably to this guy. Because even when you try to understand him in the most charitable light he literally owns some of the most fucked up beliefs I’ve ever heard someone own up to. He kind of reminds me of Russell Greer.
Destiny would never for a leftist
Max is a disaster. Demands purity of experience and any rejection or negotiation is abuse. This guys is a disaster.
At this point I’m convinced that Mr.Girl is either playing an act for camera or an actual sociopath. Probably both
Thats exactly where I am
I think it's the latter exclusively. I also think that only a sociopath would put on that kind of an act, unless their partner was also willingly acting out the victim part, and then they both turn off the camera and high five over their performance
@Arshia Behzad Sorry to say ME TOO. Pun intended
I unironically thought his relationship video was some form of performative art..... 😅
He's the definition of content, not entertainment.
I don't even know why Mr Girl thinks Shaelyn did anything wrong. He's expecting so much of a weird conversation then paints her like a demon for not always saying yes. It's what I expect of a abusive relationship.
You've missed almost every point. Shaelin needs Max to hold her hand and it's not bad or malicious, but the worst thing for Max so he reacts strongly to it. The demon monster stuff is just hyperbole to make it clear that he's serious. There's nothing abusive in their relationship based on anything we've seen and both disagree. Some behaviors can feel abusive, but that's not integral to the relationship and no one is an abuser.
@@hartyewh1 I've been saying this to all the incels who for whatever reason look up to Max and want to protect him like you are doing. If Max AT ALL pleasured her in any way and they had an emotional and sexual connection they'd be having sex more than once a month via a coerced agreement. You can also talk to your partner without being an insufferable ass exerting control and trying to WIN against your partner. If this is how your relationships are (doubt you've been in any tbh) then I am so sorry for your parnter.
@@hartyewh1 x to doubt on max not being an abuser.
@@hartyewh1 All of these dipshits are incels and never been in a relationship. After being in many I know EXACTLY what Max is talking about. Women expect you to coddle them, make several decisions for them a day, and just generally be infantilized, going against this makes them cry, break up with you, cheat on you, tell other people you're a bad person, and it socially all comes out as justified.
What the DGG community isn't understanding is this is all due to gender roles and socialization. Men are so brainwashed into treating women in a special way emotionally that they can't even see it and only that Max is an abuser. There is a huge double standard being applied here and if you reversed the roles we wouldn't be getting this reaction.
@@hartyewh1 but it’s still gaslighting
Not wanting to give anything during sex, not wanting to feel like your serving your partner, not wanting to move her around at all, not wanting to concern yourself with her emotional well-being. Sounds like mr.girl doesn't want a relationship, he just wants a live in sex-sl@ve. Which is fine. But you can't force that on someone and then gaslight them when they voice their concerns. He treats her so grossly. The way he talked about her to destiny, just like she's one big problem that's in the way of something he wants. Didn't even talk about her like he liked her. She needs to break up with him. He is way too toxic.
You left out the part where he said he wants that once a month. You realize some people regularly participate in sex way more degrading and brutal than that. Also she still could have said no. He even offered up a no for her at one point and she disagreed. She wants to do this she just didn’t wanna talk about it the way max wanted to talk about it. But she was presenting the situation dishonestly which undermines maxs work.
@@D1rtyD3bra People engage in degrading sex acts because they enjoy it or enjoy pleasing their partner. Max doesn't want her to do either lmao. He's ascended
@@D1rtyD3bra Sometimes you need to be blunt with some peoples.
@@D1rtyD3bra She had no idea this was even going to be talked about and needed time to think about it what? Why do we expect her to have any other response than "Wait, pump the breaks" after just hearing this for the first time. Also do we expect every couple be okay with talking about the most intimate stuff publicly? I thought her response was super mature and she stood up for herself. If you cannot do that you should not be in a relationship. Max is SUPER manipulative to get what he wants and this is obvious. Maybe we didn't watch the same video...
@@D1rtyD3bra It's not about how degrading the sex is. It's about how you get there, and how you talk it out with your partner. The problem with Max is that during their convo he made demands and listed ultimatums, while assuming the worst from his girlfriend. In their convo he said things like "Well I need this." "Well, you can just leave." and "I'm not saying I would break up with you, but that the relationship would end." When she started crying, he laughed because he didn't believe her tears were genuine.
During his talk with Destiny he described her as a master manipulator, a devil, a monster. And he mentioned that he doesn't want to concern himself with her feelings or reservations, they're not his problem, and she should work them out on her own. Now, I don't know about you...but to me...THAT DOESN'T SOUND SEXY. Hell, that doesn't even sound HEALTHY. WHAT WOMAN WOULD WANT TO HAVE SEX AFTER BEING TALKED TO OR ABOUT LIKE THAT? Mr.girls' problem is that he doesn't know how people think or communicate, and frankly doesn't care. He wants to hammer everyone into his own worldview and will assume that they're lying or being manipulative if they don't play by his rules. He does that in debates and apparently in relationships too.
A little advice, if you want kinky sex, be a good partner. Be someone who's compassionate, considerate, loving, caring, and above all safe to talk to. Concern yourself with the emotional and physical needs of your partner, fulfill their fantasies too. They'll be way more likely to return the favor. If you're willing to talk like this to your girlfriend, talk about her like this to your friends, and then not let her come on to defend herself...you probably shouldn't be surprised if she doesn't want to have sex with you.
Holy smokes. Now wonder this guy has such issues in relationships. He is so messed up no wonder he ends up with a codependent partner
Steven might think he’s helping Max, or his audience here, and to be fair it is an engaging conversation. He needs to be careful that he’s not being used to abuse Max’s partner. I think Max’s way of seducing people is he gives smart people (Steven, his partner, his audience) a fun human puzzle to solve, ie himself, meanwhile he gradually drags them out of their usual comfort zone getting them to engage in ways they wouldn’t usually choose for themselves. He’s talking about rape and abuse plainly here, and he sort of has Steven on egg shells being extraordinarily charitable to his perspective. He’s manipulative in the extreme, anyone wondering why his partner would put up with this should consider how good he is at getting under Steven’s skin here.
Just to be a bit more specific on the methods he’s using to push Steven’s boundaries in this conversation. He drops highly supportive and intimate messages towards Steven into his discussion.
For example, he talks about how Steven gave him his career giving him outsized responsibility for his success and happiness.
He compliments him by saying he knows that Steven understands him and “gets” him
He (jokingly) plays up the idea of them being lovers and says how he knows there wouldn’t be an issue between them because they get each other so much.
Then, he drops in some personal insults as well
Steven is too charitable to women
He implies he’s weak
He defines his reality in odd ways
Overall the positive rapport, the “we’re on the same wave length” talk far outweighs the negative insulting talk. This is disorientating for anyone.
What’s the net result we’re seeing? Steven is laughing nervously when he’s telling Max that he is describing rape or abuse. He is laughing when Max talks about his demon girlfriend. He tries to force Steven to admit he thinks it’s abuse but Steven backs off. I genuinely think Steven has been pulled far outside his comfort zone here. It’s a manipulation sucker punch from Max, while Steven is still acting in good faith, Max seems to be playing him and pushing boundaries. This man is good at abuse tactics.
@@fifab82 you are spot on. glad to see other people see through this bullshit as easily as I did from the very first time I saw max dead fish eyes gaze
amen
Bro are you a fucking time traveler
Mr girl emotionally abused his girlfriend in yesterday's video. Let's see if he does the same in this one.
Oh I just got it.
I have a pretty high bar for abuse and I think it's super cringe when we classify everything as abuse or abuse light*, but yeah that video was ROUGH and made me feel sick. That was abuse for sure.
@@RaffleSnaffle20 i feel the same way brother i actually felt sick watching his brain try to spin the “let me do my sex act (no matter how degrading/dehumanizing it is)” but fuck ya feelings and fuck having to tend to them while im fucking your “corpse”. The whole conversation was just so disgusting. Especially people who agreed with the notion Shaelin went into the other room to cry as a power move as if MrGirl wasn’t just previously disregarding her need for emotional reassurance. (during sex not just hugging her at the end right after you laugh at her for emotionally not being able to process your lack of care for her emotional well-being )
Last time I was this early we still thought Mr. Girl was a persona.
“People tell me I’m very empathetic. I’m tired of constantly registering the emotions of others.”
“Destiny, you are being too charitable to an emotionally damaged woman.”
“I just want to fuck her and not care about her.”
“She has to have sex with me.”
“She has to figure out her own boundaries without my help, because doing that for her is too much emotional labor.”
based
@@thulistbased and rapepilled
I have gone down the Max road as far as I can now. It seems to me that there is a greater than 50% chance we are watching an abusive relationship as entertainment. I'm good on that.
Mrgirl: is actually abusive to his girlfriend on camera
Also Mrgirl: Destiny abuses women
The projection is unreal
Mr Girl fans have been mega coping about all this
Weapons grade copium straight from the source.
@@KeviBx I won't
Yo I'm pretty over the MrCreep arc.
Used to think destiny was borderline sociopathic, but mr girl takes sociopathy to the Max.
@@clintwestwood4545 thank you
I see you
Every time I feel like I start hating women and maybe I'm a closeted misogynist I watch Mr. Girl and feel better about myself.
When I think I'm a terrible person I watch mrgirl and feel like Jesus afterwards
U might be just not on his level but u can chqnge
The fact that he doesn't understand how he's being extremely manipulative is mind-blowing. He is extremely narcissistic.
People should stop giving Max the benefit of the doubt by believing he is just playing a character. For sure, he plays up certain things for the camera, like every content creator does. However, without trying to sound like Ana, if Max is being genuine in what he is saying then he is a legit sociopath.
It was Destiny who initially gave this dude a platform for that exact reason. Destiny enjoys people he thinks are edgy and always fails to read an obvious toxic person. What is the count this time? Is this the 5th piece of shit he's helped promote and grow a community, only to finally realize that they're a bad person too late? It's all so tiring.
@@ndt7379 Good point, I didn't even consider that. I was wondering why is as seeing a sudden resurgence of Mr. Girl popping up everywhere. This shit is fucking sad
@@ndt7379 tbh who isn't a piece of shit tho?
Also where is all the mass support coming from? All I see from destiny’s community is that they hate. Mr. Girl. Shit ain’t too late lmao.
@@ethannnnnnn You mean after nearly half a year of playing defense or laughing off people who didn’t like him?
I think Destiny conceded on Shaylin's questions being nonsensical and really about emotional reassurance too easily, the exact way the agreement works seems relevant. A lot of people just like to know exactly what to expect in the future, especially about things they aren't fully comfortable with.
I feel like mrgirl expects a lot of charitability and good faith when he says things and doesn't give it to other people. He just decides what they're thinking and feeling and won't budge on it.
I'm sorry, did I hear that right? He wants his girlfriend to do something, but it'll only be enjoyable for him IF it's something she doesn't feel like doing? ._.
Not quite. It's only enjoyable if he feels that he isn't responsible for how she feels about it. That he can trust her to handle her side.
@@hartyewh1 yeah but he also said that he would hate it, if it turned out to be her fantasy all along. So the way I interpret it is that he explicitly needs it to be a selfish act and be accepted for it.
@@hartyewh1 I mean, that's what he's saying on the surface, but every time Destiny tries to drill down on that point, he makes it pretty clear that Shaelin's discomfort is /part/ of what he wants.
He explicitly states that paying a prostitue to participate in the same act wouldn't fulfil the need, because she wouldn't be /giving/ him anything. The only thing Shaelin can give him that a prostitute couldn't is her willingness to "suffer" for his sake.
If it was just about trusting her to handle "her side" there are a lot of different, better ways that he could get there. He's approaching this in this way because her expressing pain/discomfort is the only way that he can feel like he's exerting enough control.
@@leviathansweaters7207 You're approximately a 100% wrong. He's saying the opposite, but you just feel differently? Rather silly to start with, but what he says specifically and clearly is that he wants to feel that it, the effort, the sex, is for him to help him be able to enjoy it since usually he is only thinking about her enjoyment and basically whoring himself out. It's a funny fact that if she did it, as in chose to do it, and showed some discomfort or disinterest it would in fact underline that it's a service done for him, but it's not in any way part of what is desired. It's not complicated.
@@ladyvader3173At some point they were talking about building a nugget.
Basically to get this special sexual thing he wants, he either has to build the nugget, or r@pe his partner.
The third option he wants where he gets what he wants without having to participate in the nugget-making is basically so he can r@pe someone without feeling guilty (if he has the capacity for it) or be accused of r@pe. He literally wants to have his cake and eat it too, which feels like a huge theme in his relationships.
MrGirl is one of the most abusive and manipulative people I've ever seen
Tries to say something about something about mr. Girl….says way more about themself.
@@atarigal That's ironic.
I feel like Max is actively trying to figure out how to proposition Stephen sexually at this point
So too be clear, Mr. Girl said in another conversation with Destiny that when he has a problem he needs to resolve it as quickly as possible. He doesn't like space, and he puts that burden on his partner who does like space. But then in this conversation he says her emotions aren't his problem? Why the fuck are you in a relationship, dude? That's actually exactly your problem.
How did you miss the point about emotions not being his problem? He isn't saying he doesn't want to deal with them EVER.
Here's an example of what he wants to avoid:
1: Hey, let's go to the movies.
2: Ok, sounds fun!
1: What did you think about the movie?
2: Actually going to the movies made me really upset, you shouldn't have asked me to go. I missed an important meeting because of it.
2: *starts crying*
1:???
In a scenario like this it's pretty unfair to blame 1 for what happened. Now 1 is assumed to calm her down and deal with what ever she might do.
Here, Max would say he doesn't feel like he should be responsible to calm her down. She should deal with her emotions. Its not Max's job to deal with an adults emotions like that.
You would be an absolute doormat to start babysitting a woman because she's crying in a situation like this. People are really comfortable with saying that women are weak these days.
@@TunaIRL 1. I didn't miss the point, the point is sociopathic because...
2. He's not talking about the movies, he's talking about using her body whether or not she likes it.
His point would be WAY more valid, and you would sound like way less of a simp if he wanted a day that was his own, where he just got to not worry about his girlfriend's problems.
But that's not what he's asking for, and he's explicitly ignoring her clear boundaries and reservations to make himself happy.
That is not normal human behavior, and its not healthy relationship behavior.
@@blitz8425 I didn't make a direct comparison between them... That's why I said it's an example of what he wants to avoid. What do you think of that example is what I want to know.
As a bonus question: do you think Shaelin wants to do what max was asking for?
@@TunaIRL "It's not Max's job to deal with somebody's emotions"... nobody is saying that but good luck having any relationship with somebody if you don't have sensitivity to their feelings.
Your hypothetical just isn't relevant. Max wasn't simply saying he wants to be free of caring about her emotions when she doesn't speak about her emotions, and even if he is, that's a _way_ more complicated topic in regards to sex than the gd movies. Hypotheticals are important but so is making them of equal importance.
@@MeMe-nm7jr It's not a comparison. It's an example of what he means, not a comparison on what he did. It's an example of a similar situation that he wants to avoid. It's an example of what he's talking about. Do you get that?
But I guess your unwillingness to answer tells me that you agree with what I said about the example. It's fine to agree, it's not a trap I was just curious.
Hate how destiny talks to this man child like a child therapist, tell him he needs to grow up or stop draging women into his depraved control issues
Max treats Destiny better than he treats his own girlfriend.
Mr. Girl seems like the kind of abusive partner who would just as well slap you for doing a thing, or not doing a thing, in a relationship… sociopathy 101. When you watched his discussion with his “partner” it almost seemed like there wasn’t anything she could say that he wouldn’t disagree with.
The things he wants require complete trust and comfortability with someone, but he hasn’t laid that groundwork. He just expects the outcome he wants without being willing to lay the foundation for it. That’s what I think destiny meant when he made the “throwing someone off a cliff and expecting them to trust that there’s a balloon to catch them at the bottom” analogy but I don’t think he understood the point since he just made it a “women are babies” thing
Healthy relationships take a lot of work, and contrary to whatever Max thinks about himself, he is clearly too concerned about his own wants and needs to be a good partner to her. She deserves so much better.
Mr girl: so I might be an empath...
Do words mean nothing?
Being entirely serious, most Narcissists or those with relevant mixed personality disorders think they're "empaths".
Its primarily because they typically have a strong grasp of cognitive empathy (ability to read other's emotions) while having little to no capacity for emotional empathy (ability to emotionally connect with others aka love) or compassionate empathy (ability to understand and share others emotions).
The further into this conversation I get, the more it sounds like Max just wants Shaelin to be someone that she isn't, but he completely lacks the self-awareness to realize that he's doing it. Someone like Max will date a younger or less self-confident woman to ensure he can control the relationship and get almost everything he wants out of it. The only reason he's having issues with it now is because he's decided he also wants her to have the confidence to agree to let him handle her like a doll. Instead of finding someone who can vibe with his expectations, he wants to dig deeper into his current relationship, blaming Shaelin for not being what he needs until she changes who she is to capitulate to him.
Most of his wild arguments can be rebutted with "if you're fundamentally incompatible with her on this, and you won't be happy or fulfilled without it, then why don't you just break up with her and find someone who's on your wavelength"? If you're looking for hard boundaries and emotional maturity, Max, maybe you should date women your age.
This is a guy who hit a former partner and is open about saying it might happen again. And then he reduced his girlfriend to tears on camera, called her a monster, and smiled when he heard her cry.
I get he's intelligent and his rationalisations are some top quality sophistry, but what does the guy have to say or do before people think he's actually the person he presents himself as? Even if it's all a character he's playing, the character isn't a good guy.
He not intelligent he's manipulative
@@lavabeard5939 this doesn’t feel like the behavior of an intelligent person. This feels like the behavior of someone who has been profoundly stunted by trauma/abuse at some point in their life, and now their behavior is causing pain in the life of someone they’re in a relationship with.
@@lavabeard5939 not necessarily. A lot of narcissists aren't high iq, depends if it's learned. Look at politicians lmao
@@lavabeard5939 depends if the other person is very naive/dumb, then it doesnt take intelligence... see the US voting base falling for trump 🤣
Y'know, at first I thought Mr. Girl was VERY intelligent. The more I see of him, I realize he's incredible smart, which is absolutely a different thing than being intelligent. He's very unintelligent. He's just knowledgeable about human psychology, but that's as far as it goes.
but broooo I've been serving females all my life, I'm just sooooooo sick of caring about other people it's just a total vibe killer. Do you get why I want to r ä p3 someone now?!?!?
And he thinks he's so smart and convincing.
“I’m not aggressively pushing her to do anything”
Literally 3 minutes later
“I want to change her”
He either directly said or at least obviously meant that hes not pushing her to do anything sexual. He asked about the sexual thing and then pushed her about the way she responded to it.
@@a_mage_as_old_as_joe1598His approach to that conversation with her was PRETTY sketch...
And that's only from listening to his side of the story, which is presumedly painting the situation in the best possible light, for him. I'd imagine hearing her side of the story would look even worse.
there are people in romantic couplings who don't have sex, for whatever reason, illness, morals, religious attitudes, etc. love doesn't need sex.
100% the truth
The fact that 25-50% of DGG agrees with MrGirl is honestly sad to me. It seems like Destiny has unironically created a ton of incels over the past 6 months or so.
I don't think I've seen many mrgirl Simps after this video
By definition incels can’t be created. An incel is someone who is involuntarily celibate, one cannot be turned involuntarily celibate, either they were already intentionally celibate or already involuntarily celibate.
50% ? On this video?
You are actually delusional.
But when I said this people called me a dumb leftist a couple months ago dggerz can't think outside of destiny so follow whatever wave he's on
I don't know why anyone would date Mr. Girl. Just listening to him talk is exhausting, and he sounds like a horrible lover.
I remember when he first talked to Destiny he was demanding he "trust him" like out of the blue. Dude is extremely disturbed. I wouldn't be surprised if he has had run-ins with law enforcement in the past.
So the issue is he started the conversation by pointing out that if she said no he would break up with her. And so she couldn't explicitly sat no, unless she was willing to sacrifice the relationship. That's my biggest take away.
Way before
@@heatgang6415 I'm sorry I don't understand the comment.
Should he should just stay with her even if he doesn’t want to when she says no then
@@Gullysands if this point is a deal breaker for him then no, he should break up. However, the issue is that the way he conducts himself Is very manipulative. Instead of saying "hey i want x, are you up for that?" He says "hey I want x, and if you're not up for that then I'm leaving, so do you want to do it or do you want to break up with me?"
One of those is significantly more manipulative than the other.
The missed opertinity here was for Destiny to open the conversation with his shirt off eating an orange.
I'm starting to think he's exactly as deranged as he presents himself as instead of hamming it up for his online persona.
he's hamming it up, but he's so deranged that he doesn't realize the derangement is coming through much stronger than the performance he's trying to project
@@David-tl6ix yep!
@@David-tl6ix I think they're kind of one in the same now. The lines are too blurred. The nuance Max relishes in discourse has kind of uroboros'd on itself and now there is too much Max-distilled micro-nuance that's interwoven together as to be otherwise indistinguishable
Steven said it best: he's being more than charitable to Max, because to not write the man off at this point and actually engage and entertain his idiosyncrasies, and even be able to relay his line of thought back to him, is charity enough
It’s like he created Mr Girl but now Mr Girl is becoming Max
Going back and watching this now, after everything imploded, is incredibly eye opening. This interaction says so much about the deep character that mrgirl has and who he is
It’s actually incredible that mr girl would have the nerve to do an exposé on destiny being abuser after this
@@Lazlo-os1puNarcissists often seem to forget or bury when they've been in the wrong, so i bet he suppressed this from his memory
man I was about to comment the exact same thing, I can't believe the amount of charity mentally gave to this guy during the whole arc, I made up a million excuses for him bc I like a low of his videos and now looking back I can't believe I didn't fully understand it, but when this came out I was definitely questioning him
How is he able to say she abused him for hours in that video? I hope Destiny will start to distance himself after this.
Destiny at this point I'm convinced that you are just feeding clout to a psychopath, which I believe will only further play into him having larger power dynamics between him and some potential victim.. I believe the ethical thing to do at this point is quit speaking to Mr. Girl. If you do not and something I happens, I hope you understand that you will primarily be morally responsible for the outcome.
No, MrGirl would be responsible. Stop taking away his agency here.
@@Giemma3 They both would be responsible. But I don't consider Mr Girl a moral actor, morals don't really seem to be his thing. So i consider it destiny, a moral actor, responsible.
Would it be a stretch to say that destiny is primarily the reason Mr Girls following has grown? If so you've recognize my point.
I don’t think Destiny cares about being moral... It just seems like he wants to do “edgy” things to get attention like platforming this obviously creepy guy and still sort of defend him
Sociopath*
@@MustardSkaven So the main evidence I'd give of as a psychopath is the end of "You my real sex doll" video he laughs while his girlfriend is crying in the other room. Now you could give him an extreme benefit of the doubt that this was nervous laughter, but I'm getting sick of giving people the benefit.
I believe this to be clear evidence of getting pleasure by others suffering.
"I'm protecting her from the masses" give me a break lmao. He just wants control of the narrative. He's protecting Mr Girl, and no one else. He's so clearly the one in the wrong here, and he knows that if she were able to talk live and unedited, he'd look even worse... then his next video would be the story about how she fell down the stairs face-first.
He pretty much just admitted as much by saying "oh it's okay when I put her on video though because I can control it and edit it."
Has he forced her to not make videos of her own?
@@michaelh878 essentially it sounds like it. He won't let her even talk to destiny
But she's controlling for pointing that out to him lmao
(208th copypasta of this) Mr. Girl is what happens when a reasonably intelligent, white, middle class, bearded cis male spends his life being medicore, realizes it in his mid 30s, and invests in a webcam and a microphone instead of a therapist.
Truuueeee lol
He's a jew. I'm not pointing it out to be racist but max claimed he wasn't white lmao
its like destiny is teaching MrGirl how to be human
"You gave me my career"
MrGirl joins the hall of fame alongside Hasan, and Vaush.
I think destiny more than anything needs to address this lol, maybe In the manifesto?
😂😂😂😂😂 “my streamer better than urs”
"i am going to protect her from livestreaming" this really feels like a situation she needs to get away from, i hope they are actually going to therapy so she has some outlet away from an audience consuming a controlled (and edited) narative.