30 years of Tyranid secrets in under 23 minutes
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In the late 90s and early 2000s, everything Andy Chambers touched turned to gold. He slways found the perfect balance of the Rogue Trader weirdness and the grim-dark ridiculousness that is 40k, and the way he reshaped existing material always advanced the world and made it even more interesting and bigger. I will forever be greatful for Battlefleet Gothic.
The White Dwarf with the Tyranids vs. Eldar & Guard battle report was my first introduction to the hobby. It was a hell of an introduction.
That is one of my fondest white dwarf memories
Something I love about long-living gaming settings and why the "X stole from Y" argument is moot, is that these settings were made by a bunch of nerds all riffing from each others' creative works and pop media. It still happens today because one of the biggest creative inspirations is making your own version of something you love, but it tends to be more subtle. Great video.
🎵 "Who do you think you are kidding Mr hive mind?
If you think old Ichar's done"
Talking of GW stea..being inspired by other media. Who else thinks the Haurspex, Malefactor and Dactylis broods look like the Ohm from Nausica: Valley of the Wind but with funny arms tacked on?
That was my thought exactly
Always good content, Mr. Olden! It’s always interesting to see how these old armies evolved over time.
A video on how radically the squats from Rogue Trader vs the Squats from Necromunda/Leagues of Votann would be absolutely interesting.
My working theory is to do one of these types of video for every army in the game at the moment
@@OldenDemonlovely! I can’t wait to see it!
Also really interesting that Andy Chambers basically birthed what would be come modern Warhammer. He seems like a radical dude.
It's so weird to listen to an essay that assumes you're in their age and not a confused 20 year old that has no idea how he got here
I still to this day have no idea why a Mawloc would be Skibidi.
As one of the old men who are the target for the essay I want to welcome you to Hell.
You're one of us now!
The channel is called olden demon.... you're certainly confused about something.
Welcome Gen X tube son!
I like this. My own Jormundgandr splinter fleet, Hivefleet Nidhogg, have sand bases like Arrakis and their carapace is also Sand. They like to hide and slither. No one knows why Tyranids would need to adapt to hide like this, but they invaded through the ghoul stars and apparently needed to hide when they were there.
That battle report with the allied Eldar/Imperials was amazing. I loved that issue
Hive Wars came out when I was about 13. At the time I thought "how do GW come up with all these amazing names for things?". Names like Dominatrix
Fab little vid! While I get why genestealers were packaged in with Tyranids back in the day to make a somewhat functioning list, a part of me wishes that genestealers (and their little cultist fellows) had managed to endure as a separate xenos entity to the Tyranids.
With the success of Horus Heresy, it would be cool to explore more of the Rangdan Xenosides. With their brief bits of lore describing them as a collective and controlling other races, I always thought that the Rangdan echoed gene stealers. Heck, it would be pretty cool if Gene stealers were the last remnants of the Rangdan! Could be a very serious reason why the Emperor ordered the II Legion destroyed, if its Primarch and half the legion got the Hybrid treatment!
Alas, mere speculation...
I like that original carnifex with the four big arms, it really stuck out to me when i saw it in whitedwarf as a nipper
I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate you starting this channel of yours when I first started demoing space hulk here in North Texas
@@sterlingnorthum3911 Awesome, there is always more to come
Bugs with proper weapons like organic guns, and organic swords.
Great video, despite my delusional hope for the return of the Malanthrope in some form being crushed; I wouldn't say exactly why, but even watching that screenshot in your video now, to this day it still feels like the "least-dynamic-yet-most-menacing" creature to me as it did all this time ago; it's such an amazing and inspired sculpt that embodied and "personified" so perfectly the way I sort of visualise the Tyranid threat. I instantly loved the creature and would be really curious to see a modern but more importantly non-resin version! Anyway, thank you for this episode!
It may be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think there is some other foreign threat. I think the tyranids like locusts or piranhas ate everything in the system they are coming from. In order to survive they either needed to eat eachother or themselves to survive or move on. So the nyds shot scouts out to watch for evidence of other galaxies and therein a new source of food and survival.
Also, in swarming locusts, they move so fast as they are starving. They’ve ran out of grass and turned cannibalistic. The ones at the front are fleeing the ones at the back until other sources of food can be found.
@kwest9747 Exactly how I imagine the nyds!! But it's smart enough to plan ahead a little
I'm so happy that you're very fair regarding the connection to the Zerg and Tyranids. Too often I see 40K fanboys dismiss Zerg as a wholesale Tyranid copy when, in actuality, while the Zerg are conceptually inspired by Tyranid or at least took from the same sources, alot of modern Tyranid design queues were present in Starcraft first.
The funny thing is that the bugs from the starship troopers book were more like techno-jellyfish than actual bugs.
Very happy to see the Tyranids in the spotlight, and doubly so that Epic features prominently - it's different scale often resulted in new vehicles and units to meet the needs of the game and this is too commonly forgotten.
However, 23 minutes of Tyranid lore and creatures and absolutely zero mention of the Grabber-Slasher? How is this even possible? How can such an iconic troop be overlooked? It would, at first glance, seem to fit the sombre and very serious tone of this channel generally.
I forgot about the Grabber-slasher, I might have to try and squeeze that into another video somehow
The wife won custody of the grabber-slasher. OldenDemon only gets to include it in videos every other weekend.
Really really pleased with this video, I'm glad you didn't linger too much on any particular thing even though you could have
Brilliant, once again. Great pay off with the Dads Army - Jones is acting strangely reference!!
I normaly dont comment on youtube but this is by far one of my favorite topics and execution of that said topic. Very well done sir, please do more.
Cool, been thinking about their place in the setting lately
Great vid, I remember getting a scythed at launch, forgeword still feels like a new thing. Wow I feel old😂
I'm just glad they never got the Nucron's treatment... I don't want my unknowable extragalactic alien to be relatable.
Trayzn being a thing counteracts all mystic that has been ruined
It's getting there, unfortunately.
Necrons lucked out, they are their own cool thing now. Tyranids would not be so lucky
You're wrong on the Jones is acting strangely bit. It says that nothing happens if the model is already dead. Pick a dead guy after the first one chestbrusted, done.
Yes you are right
If your old like me, do you remember the feelings of just holding a space Marine or tyranid back in the day? There was something really cool about them. Old metal chaos terminators? It was a treat. Now they've made it all clean and crisp. Brilliant models but chaos were chaos just because of naff arrows. Now primaris carry bigger guns than themselves. I liked the old gothic stuff. The old metal legion of the damned? Brilliant stuff. Even the old rhino was mint.
What I would love to see is a model of the tyranid burrower organisms.
That sponsor spot is so well integrated that I don't even notice the transition.
Remembering the OG tyranids, it was quite a shock when I came back to the hobby after 30 years. They killed my zoats! Where where the warriors wasp butts?! Where's da squigs?!
Love these dives back into the original lore from Rouge Trader and the early editions. Can you do more of these? And make them 3 hours long?
Oh yes, I remember the old art now... The Hive Tyrant, (is that a Hive Tyrant or a warrior?) it has a crotch-beak, it makes so much sense... (It even has those little rasping plates that the Screamer-Killer does, so it's a crotch-beak that can spew bio-plasma?)
"All the better to eat you with..."
Congratulations, you have made me feel more ancient than the Necrons in under two minutes than anyone else.
But then Necrons are a newer faction than Tyranids, so I'm all right.
My Epic tyranid army gets used at UK Epic tournaments sometimes and they’re a solid list. Epic Armageddon is an out of production game but still gets played and lets you run Dominatrixes and the other big old stuff on the tabletop.
Didn't this guy used to sing for Crowded House? Some fall from grace that
He’s on Top of the Pops 2 right now
Don't you shit on Alien 3, that one was brilliant! And very 40K, I might add. 10:45 aaah, fell for it :((
Im rather fond of this clever British man. I think I will subscribe.
Damn. Dad's Army, that brings me back. Love that show.
I've been fighting the urge to get a few Tyranid models for a very long time. I know if I get a few, I'll end up with a swarm.
I would also suggest "you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about" for the thumbnail
That Tyranid Dominatrix goes hard, though. Especially with the Alien Jockey pilot.
2:21 this is by far the funniest delivery I have ever seen!
Really great work, thanks for your work and keep it up!
Fun fact: there were at one point chaos genestealer cults. So weird but interesting
i loved the late 3rd and 4th aesthetic, still recognizably the GW design, wheras the newer stuff is about 50/50 for how i enjoy the sculpts. Although the new screamer killer and psychic thing are homages but they were models that i didn't like in their original incarnation either lmao.
Great video. Well done!
Fun fact 1: 'Mind slaves' were invented for Advanced Space Crusade, so you could use your CSM, orks and gretchen from un-advanced Space Crusade.
Fun fact 2: Termagant, Harridan and Dominatrix are all words for an angry or controlling woman.
Aaaah yes, I fondly remember the game where i rolled countless sixes for "Jones behaving strangely" against my opponent playing Chaos space Marines. A lot of Terminators died that Day.
I NEVER NOTICED THE BEAK CROTCH!
Tzeentch would be proud.
Really great video. Thanks for make such funny and interesting content.
4:38
Minor mistake here
This isn’t a picture of a space marine model
Wut
Some kind of tongue-in-check, olden-demon-adjacent Primaris bashing perhaps? If so, ho ho...
Man, the last segment about that Horus heresy book
I wish black library had never existed
Man you just seem to hate fun.
Yeah, sad to agree really
Its a pretty cool lore tidbit imo
@ what does it add to the setting?
By sheer coincidink some guys pointed a beam at the tyranids. Guess they were hibernating for some reason even though they were close enough to reach the galaxy in 10,000 years. Guess they’re not this restless hungering hive. Guess they weren’t in a hurry to get here. Guess they weren’t really an inevitable threat and all of this could have been avoided if an author hadn’t made up some plot device that never needed to exist.
The reasons behind the tyranid invasion went from something you could speculate on
to another mediocre fact to file away in the brains of redditors
I just love how gonzo early 40k was.
You know, at 11.06 you ask us to subscribe, it fades out, the sponsor link comes up, and it immediately went to two adverts. I was utterly certain that was the end of the video (and i didn't let the ads finish!).
It is pure luck that I later noticed the incomplete red bar indicator in my history and am back here finishing it.
@@Lirretobb I have started adding areas into the video for the ads rather than letting them randomly cut me off, I didn’t know they were running multiple ads in each segment though
@OldenDemon sure, it's er "working". It happened again later in the vid too, but I wasn't gonna be fooled that time 😉. Just thought I'd mention it.
No one ever mentions how the Dominatrix literally has a Space Jockey on it's back and a 1 for 1 xenomorph face
Yes inquisitor, this is the video I was talking about.
I have same kind of issue with Tyranids as I do with the droid army from the SW prequel trilogy. Why build a tank that requires a number of droids to operate it, rather than build a tank that's a droid?
I think that Tyranids would have fully evolved bio-weapons that are part of their bodies rather than develop /manufacture /grow ones they hold and manipulate. Some of them do, but not all of them. It annoys me more than it should do. Great content btw.
I can’t believe a real phone call was left in the final cut.
Space Lotus? Colin Chapman would be proud
I don't normally like it when GW changes factions artstyles, but the nids are the one time where the change was for the better.
That first description can be directed at humanity to
Why am I hearing so much about dad‘s army all of the sudden. I never heard of the show until last month and now everyone I see online is referencing it.
Dimachaerons going away really hurt. It was my favorite model of the whole Tyranid range and the Norns just don't hit the same.
you say rose tinted glasses i say you are wrong i was cursed by a memory that dose not let me forget also Enslavers are still in the 40K lore.
and this is why you dont call Rogue Trader 1st edition of Warhammer as it was an entirely different game
2:45 Fimir were from Warhammer Fantasy Battle, they never appeared in the Rogue Trader book
The zerg in Starcraft were literally Tyranids, Blizzard wanted to use the GW IP but Games workshop in their infinite wisdom refused so Blizzard invented Starcraft and warcraft instead.
I love Zoats so much. I wish we could get more.
I'd vote for the tyranid spider coming back, just for the fun of it.
You earned a subscriber. Well done you.
The in-universe version of GTA:Vice City is culturally closer to the in-universe version of GTA:San Andreas than the real world time that GTA:San Andreas is to us today.
Squigs were created by tyranids. I really like that I can learn useless lore knowledge from my favorite comedy gaming channel.
But which carnifex model is the best?
Are you going to add that Tyranid Attack artwork to your recovered artwork page on your website? The image you have in your video is much higher quality than any I've seen online
@@GangstaMonkey214 that’s a good idea, I need to look at that page again
Warriors and Gargoyles are too significant to remain without a model refresh for long, especially with how much bad I hear about the flight stands for the Gargoyles. A Kill Team including Warriors, winged or not, would be a great way to roll them out sooner rather than later. Tyranids lost their Compendium team in the new edition and never got a bespoke team, so they have to be due for one soon.
I remember that squig story!
11:00 you could do a mean emperor palpatine impression
By the throne, I swear that this is made of Ork Seed.
I reserve the right to kill any Ork I meet but they remain Our Galaxies Orks, not This.
Ah man, I love Dad's Army.
Pepsi or Coke! Grrrr! 😂
I was trying to figure out who you reminded me of, then I imagined you with an H on your forehead and it came to me!
Smeeeeeeeg heeeeeead
22:22 I know where zerglings come from :D
3:02 that's Dalek, isn't it?
Yay, love your vids
You totally failed to mention the two old metal Hunter Slayer miniatures of the RT era.. there were two sculpts as proto termagents one with pointed finger other with tyranid weapon., Also there was a larger tyranid warrior model ( maybe sculpted but not released in photos in Rouge Trader)
I will give myself the appropriate number of lashings tonight
22 minutes, and yet nothing on the unreleased Nick Bibby sculpt of a Tyranid that shows up in the 1st ed book? Your wife left you for a reason sir! Good day sir, I say good day!
MY ANGER!!!
Hey, Olden Demon, can we get a closer view of the shelves behind you and their contents? That 500 box has me curious...
@@theemissary1313 it’s just the merch box for the 500th edition of White Dwarf, I think it’s out of stock now though
@@OldenDemon Ah right, cheers there boss, love the channel :)
I feel bad for asking but isn't that a hunter killer from 2nd edition, not a hive tyrant in the thumbnail?
Starcraft was developed as a Warhammer game until GW took their IP back so Blizz turned it into what it became
Comment for the great devourer
Where can I donate my corpse to become biomass?
5 minutes in and you've talked about everything EXCEPT the freaking Tyranids... I can see why she wants a divorce.
i think the dominatrix could be made, but they'll have to rename it. xD
I've always thought "running from something worse" was so cringe
Sorry, brother. I'm gonna have to stop you right at 7:47. Poorhammer podcast already informed me that Games workshop did not in fact borrow from Alien, the Creators saw Space Hulk, then went back in time to steal the thunder from GW. Officially debunked, sorry brother. 😌
6:50...We should all aspire to be nids then ?
This video makes me more angry than Ron.
Aaaaaargh! Likes for the like god! Views for my lord algorithm!
WE ARE SO BACK
We’re back baby