Understanding the Fourth State of Consciousness
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- What is the fourth state of consciousness or Turiya as it is referred to in the Vedantic texts and how does that fit in with the waking state, dream state and the state of deep sleep? And what is the difference between Turiya and Turiyatita?
Rupert says that we normally think that deep sleep is a state that alternates with two other states of waking and dreaming. So we think that deep sleep is one state amongst three. To address that, the classic Vedantic teaching says, there's a fourth state - Turiya or pure consciousness. But now you have four states, so in order to address that misunderstanding, they introduced Turiyaita which is beyond or prior to the fourth. It is not a fifth state - it's the presence that underlies the three states.
Now the deep sleep state is only considered a state in relation to the waking and dreaming states. If we consider deep sleep a state that alternates with the waking and dream states, then deep sleep is something that comes and goes but if we understand that the deep sleep state is not a state, it is just the awareness of being, then it doesn't come and go. It's present all the time underneath the waking and dream states. And it's what we essentially are. So we are always in deep sleep and that's why it is said that meditation is to be deeply asleep whilst remaining awake.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Turiya
0:59 Turiyatita
1:59 Different States Of Consciousness
2:42 The Fourth State Of Consciousness
3:03 Pure Consciousness
3:31 State Of Deep Sleep
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The best part was the contagious laugh at the end.
The 'understanding' hits and everyone feels it.
Sounded like she got a little glimpse. ❤
@@vinceofyorkcouldn’t have said it better! Goosebumps while typing this comment
@@nicktube3904 Namaste brother
Being a math teacher I love the parable of the pie chart in the background of the white paper to explain what the “fourth state” is.
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has the best analogy
Pure consciousness is like the screen and the movie theater
It supports the images fleeting across the screen
Stop the movie and the screen remains the same
Correct. But movie is only one state ( Waking state). How to accomodate dream state?
What a beautiful explanation 🙏❤️👍🏻
She has got it!! Wonderful!! 😃❤️🙏🏾
I don't always agree with Rupert Spira, but this is one of the most beautiful and elegant analogies I've ever heard. Absolutely brilliant.
Something one might expect from an English professor. 😉
4:15 that laughter is so beautiful 🙏 It's like the Self realizing the foolishness of fooling itself into understanding and explaining itself and coming back to its own recognition.
You mean to say it's seems foolish as rupert was talking rubbish and she did not understood, right?
Rupert is Pure consciousness personified. We all are, but he know it well and can ignite it in others as well.
4 5k7th😮😅😊😅
Well stated.
A wonderfully clear and elegant metaphor. Keeping in mind that the metaphor is not the Thing - whatever It is. The impact for this body-mind was a little tsunami of delight and joy in seeing the lights being shared and in witnessing understanding embracing itself. Beautiful!
Yeah, I feel the same in waking state and in sleep. My mind is quiet, I feel peace in both "states". Thanks 4 the video, very profound and interesting❤
I really love Rupert’s way of explaining things. Such clarity ❤🙏☀️
A joy of a man. Super teaching - as always.
My experiences confirm Rupert's words, and in my opinion, in deep sleep, the connection of our presence with our senses and mind is interrupted or disturbed, that's why after waking up, we have no information about that state in our memory.
Another brilliant explanation! Thanks for sharing Rupert!
wonderfully clear explanation of Turiyatitta 🙏😊
Thankyou🧡💫
Wow, You made it so clear and understandable ,, thank you so much ♥️♥️♥️
Oh thank you so much for this information!!
One of the best explanations I've ever heard. Bravo!
Genial!!! Muchísimas gracias!!!🙏🤗🤍🩵💙💜❤️
So clear thank you.
As Einstein said, you can't solve the problem on the level where it occurs. So if we want to understand, we have to see the whole picture.
Beautifully explained ❤🙏
beautiful!!!
True. The 'deep sleep' is the actual/real deal.. It is always in the background.. Nisargadatta and Bhagavan Ramana had mentioned this a few times - albeit rather sparingly, lest they are misunderstood. Another living Jnani (who seems to be in this 'deep sleep' but articulates it beautifully and succinctly in his native language - Telugu) is Athyasrami Subrahamanyam - who lives in a small town in Andhra Pradesh in South of India. He has been explaining these things for more than 30 years - that deep sleep is the original/primordial awareness and it is NOT a separate state and is only referred to as a separate state - relative to other states which come and go.
❤❤❤ love this
Thanks ❤
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Dcb 1 love ❤️
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Full talk please?
Good night
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I Am not my body, I Am everybody. ~illusion 1984b.s.
(belief. systems.) & perceptions are a beast to tame.
I believe Turyatita is actually a Trika (Kashmir Shaivism) concept. When the introversive attainment (nimilana) stabilizes, then the Turyatita ensues as the extroversive attainment (unmilana).
As explained in Tantraloka.
I'm not sure if it's found in vedanta.
There’s more to the white color there you see the world of imaginaires the world of hourghalia the world of pure light that the spirit forms into body
Rumi said very rare and few can enter this world
I hope Rupert will talk about it
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the 4th is *beyond* the waking dreaming and deep sleep states..the Self, the Real I, permanently resides there filling It all up with Itself....there are no object, no content..thats where the Real I is realized..the waking, dreaming and deep sleep states come and go to this permanent Beyond when your real i is always..
@krisoconnell2202 if you were completely enlightened you wouldnt be opposing my comment..
@@chitrapolanskymeaning you are…?
Why cut off the question?
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~ Sorrow
Untold. Unspeakable. Never ending.
Never ending? This can't be. This can't be.
Never ending...everlasting. Unspeakable.
Hell? Heaven? Both?
Hello
asmr
Complicating things
No disrespect at all, but the speed of his talking put me into a deep sleep.
I'm happy he's staying hydrated but where is the bouquet?...???
Eckhart took it. Now he's got two.
@@Kube_Dog🤣
@@Kube_Dog lolol
Turiya and Turiyatita are terms from Hindu philosophy that refer to different states of consciousness:
1. Turiya: Turiya is often described as the fourth state of consciousness, beyond waking (Jagrat), dreaming (Swapna), and deep sleep (Sushupti). It is a state of pure consciousness or awareness that underlies and transcends the other three states. In Turiya, one experiences a sense of oneness with the universe and a deep inner peace.
2. Turiyatita: Turiyatita is a term used in some Advaita Vedanta traditions to describe a state even beyond Turiya. It signifies the transcendence of the fourth state (Turiya) and is often associated with the ultimate realization of non-duality (Advaita), where the individual self (Atman) is understood to be identical with the ultimate reality (Brahman). In this state, there is no distinction between the individual self and the universal consciousness.
Both Turiya and Turiyatita represent profound states of consciousness, with Turiyatita being the more advanced and elusive state in some philosophical interpretations. These concepts are central to the understanding of consciousness and self-realization in Hindu philosophy.
what is beyond Turiyatita?
Nothing is beyond realizing I Am God. 💙
Oh I thought it was a Trika concept. Can you point out where in advaita vedanta this is to be found? I'd love to explore it from that tradition's pov.
ChatGPT comprehends Sanskrit language.
I Am... not separate from source understands myself in stillness. 💙
(meaningless intellectualized per requested)
Trika is not a term typically associated with Vedanta; rather, it is closely related to a different philosophical and spiritual tradition known as Kashmir Shaivism, which is distinct from Vedanta.
Kashmir Shaivism is a school of Shaiva philosophy that originated in the Kashmir region of India. It places a strong emphasis on the worship of Lord Shiva and has its own unique metaphysical and philosophical framework. One of the key concepts in Kashmir Shaivism is the Trika philosophy.
Trika, in Kashmir Shaivism, refers to the triad or three-fold nature of reality. It encompasses the following fundamental principles:
1. **Para**: The highest reality, often equated with Shiva or the absolute transcendent consciousness. Para represents the ultimate, formless, and unmanifest aspect of reality.
2. **Parapara**: The intermediary realm that bridges the gap between the absolute (Para) and the relative (Apara). It represents the process of manifestation, where the formless Shiva begins to take on attributes and forms.
3. **Apara**: The realm of the relative and manifest reality. It includes the physical world, individual beings, and all that is perceivable and measurable.
Trika philosophy explores the relationship between these three levels of reality and how one can transcend the limitations of the relative world (Apara) to realize the ultimate truth (Para).
In contrast, Vedanta, which is primarily associated with the Upanishads and the philosophical teachings of figures like Adi Shankaracharya, focuses on the non-dualistic (Advaita) and dualistic (Dvaita) interpretations of reality, primarily centered around the concepts of Atman (individual soul) and Brahman (universal consciousness). While both Vedanta and Kashmir Shaivism are profound philosophical traditions of India, they have distinct metaphysical frameworks and philosophical perspectives.
Asmr
How does suṣupti (the colour white) become turiya. So there are 2 states (colours) and the background of white, the third? Turiya is the 4th (non-state), but only 1? The white paper.
Isnt deep sleep ignorant though? Awareness of no state???
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Perfect example of ASMR. Most of the audience asleep before he reached the middle of his “profound” discovery (which could be done in one sentence).
Transcendent, pure consciousness, the fourth state of being, is not deep sleep, or more sleep
I wonder, do you know color science? Is that why you chose the color analogy? Because it is very apropos in more than one manner. White is the presence of all colors of the spectrum, all colors combined make white. And therefore a white object reflects all color and light and heat. The opposite, black, is the absence of all color. A black object absorbs all color and light and heat. Thisbis why people wear white in the summer and black in the winter. And since white is all color, light, heat, we can say that in that sense, it is fitting to have it represent all, total consciousness.
Im glad he ditched the flowers. It was incongruous
Beautiful flowers?
The flowers paired very well with everything else what are you talking about lol. It was minimalist without being bleak, the beautiful contours and colors stood out because of the contrast, and ruperts message and cadence emphasized their stillness in a powerful, delightful way, and the flowers were literally beauty in nothing - a great visual metaphor for nonduality
I believe that decision was made at some point because Rupert felt that it gave the impression he was somehow elevated in status. That could not be farther from the approach.
Yeah, I'm taking him seriously, then I look up and see flowers like a cliche prop ordered from the guru mail order catalog. So much better without.
Okay so you don't know what you're talking about...got it👊
Everything is just a STATE.
D.C. is not a state.
before starting some pointless argument, check out the meaning of STATE.@@Kube_Dog
It's also The State. Stillness, Tranquility, Nothingness, quiescence. But Yes, all in all it's conclusively indescribable.@krisoconnell2202
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The liars are easy to know, they are like a devil exposed by God, the King of Truth. His lies and falsehood are exposed as such in less than one second, instantly and immediately, by the One Who is Actual Truth.
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