Yes. A philandering father calling his daughter a s!i1 for getting out and living with the first boy she could find. Happened in my family. Happens a lot. Yet so many mormon girls came up pregnant in high school.
Because of this channel, when 3 missionaries (I live in a suburb in WA) knocked on my door, I asked them if they needed water or snacks. I made sure to tell them if they were out and hungry, to come back and let me know. They looked like babies. Idk how old they are, but they looked so so young. I've also explained to my fiancé about them more than likely being separated from their families. We aren't a religious household, but we are a kind home. Thank you for taking the time and explaining the human behavior behind the experiences we see. It helps remove the confusion/anger from the random people that are forced to interrupt the peace of the day.
That's so uplifting. You show the kindness and compassion that's entirely missing from these cults that pretend to uphold a myriad of virtues while in reality only worshiping greed.
Thank you for showing kindness to them! You’re a good example to these young people that everyone outside the church is not evil, and there is a life outside religion for them if they ever find themselves questioning
I've thought about that, and for JW ladies, except their men are waiting in a car down the road. I want to tell them they can come to me if they want to leave.
If that’s the case, then 75% of people in many other situations, if not more, are criminal. I’d mention certain ‘industries’ but that’ll get one kicked off social media these days.
It's easy to say something like that, but most of the world is doing things like that to children in different ways. Mormanism is just another religious group that systematizes many abuses in particular ways. The way to break it is to preach the truth of Jesus Christ.
@@jennifercornman1291 I agree, however, wouldn't you say all religions are guilty of psychological abuse? By forcing one's own "Belief" adopted from someone else's "Belief" and proclaiming it comes from "God" (the creator of all in this entire universe) preventing a child from discovering their own "Realizations" masked by the limited "belief" paradigm which was imposed on them during their formative years? Think about it.
That’s why they do it. It is predatory & perverse. They aren’t asking to actually counsel or help the victim. They get off on hearing the sexual harm/abuse that was done to women & girls.
It's no different for boys. When I turned 14, I went in for the interview to be ordained a teacher. My branch president asked me if I had "any masturbation problems." I had never heard that word, and I didn't know what it meant. I thought that it must be some medical condition, and that the BP was just inquiring about my general health. So I just replied "No." I didn't even learn what masturbation was until I was 16. But that incident is an example of why it's inappropriate for grown men to be talking about sexual things with children of that age. Those issues are for parents or doctors to discuss with children.
I wish more people were focusing on her story, and what she said, and not how good she looks for her age… 🙄 This was a very inspirational story. Thank you so much for sharing this.
I was raised reformed Presbyterian and remember being summoned before the elders and sitting in a room, door closed, with 6 grown MEN. No one should go through that. Especially when "what you did" wasn't even your fault.
Actually, it is an old ancient oriental tradition to traumatize young folks this way... Unfortunately, the scheme has been depicted by modern day religious leaders who dived into Old Testament, Jewish culture or certain ancient occult traditions a little bit too much... There are two historical people that really help against this type of wickedness as they give some explanation for the whole thing... * Mr. Chief Psychiatrist Carl Gustav Jung in his older days stated that psychological, as well as physical abuse "obviously must have been intrinsic in ancient oriental monotheism already", and we have to fight this. * Charlemagne aka "St. Carolus Rex et Imperator", declared an official Catholic Saint in the 12th century. Said to be a protector of children, youngsters and "all true lovers, the legitimate ones, as well as the illegitimate ones", against all injust, harsh or wicked authorities, including all kinds of evil clergymen. Both guys had been opposed to spiritual, psychological and physical abuse in their live span and both are very helpful to understand how old this problem actually is.
@@denisedevoto5703yes as a youthful 50 year old some is the genes but by 50 lifestyle factors are starting to show. This woman has not had an easy life although I guess 20 years inside a kitchen cuts down on sun damage
Jennie is a liar and an abuser. You literally cannot believe one single thing she says. She’s a con artist. Virtually her entire family had to cut off communication with her, and it has nothing to do with mormonism, because none of us are mormon anymore. Her own kids don’t talk to her. Ask yourself why she’s the only one that’s been cut off. Should be obvious.
The idea of consent is so non-existent in the Mormon Church. I didn't really know what it was until I met my boyfriend. Every step every time he asks if what he is doing is ok. My whole teen and twenties was trying to avoid any situation where I didn't know how to say no. You learn how to say yes to every calling, say yes to whatever your parents tell you, say yes to what your grandparents tell you, and say yes to what all your leaders tell you. You never learn how to say no.
"No" is not acceptable for all your formative years. You are rewarded for complying and punished for not complying. Your agency is not valued but your obedience is. And then you learned and you turned out nice and good! You did everything right! The training is solid. They've made you into the perfect little victim.
So true! I observed similar effects on members of Jehovas Witnesses, 7-day adventists, New Apostolic Church and various "Neo-Evangelical" groups. Same thing in other religious groups and cults, unfortunately. I feel so sorry for the young folks! 😢
I wish I could say I was surprised by the lack of compassion, but I’m not. Just one example, my brother was diagnosed with type one bipolar disorder after a very public manic episode. The people in our small ward practically shunned him because he “must’ve done something awful in order to be possessed by an evil spirit”. This was in 2018. No empathy for his mental health. It made everything so much worse. He’s the most kind and empathetic person I know. I hope my son will grow up to be half the man he is. He’s still in the church and I just wish he could see how wrong that was.
Growing up with mental health issues is just hard on its own. Having to grow up with rules and ideas that aren’t logical due to religion, escalates the difficulty immensely. Dealing with the shame and judgement for things you never agreed to, or for just being You, it’s incredibly confusing. I didn’t grow up Mormon but I did grow up in the Catholic Church. It’s just as bad but somehow it’s still widely accepted. We need to keep telling our stories. I hope your brother is free of all of that now because we all deserve love, kindness, and compassion. We also deserve real mental healthcare. I’m really glad he made it though!
I’m so sorry. I have a mother and a child who are bipolar and both are kind people. It’s such a hard thing to live with even when you have loads of support. Without support it must be devastating. I hope he leaves the church.
I just wanted to reach through the screen and give Jennie the biggest hug as she was telling us about "talking" to the Bishop. I'm so glad you weren't successful and are here to tell us your story. I'm 61 years old and was brought up in the southern Baptist church (a whole story in itself 😳) and had never heard of the Mormon church until my late teens. All I knew about it was it was a different "religion". I've not gone to any church since I was 18 and could make my own decision. The only exception being my mother's funeral 30 years ago. I do like channels such as yours, both of you. I'm curious but not enough to actually go to other churches. I'm sorry for rambling, but I'm just glad the two of you dodged a bullet as well. Love your channels! ❤
I was raised I'm a Southern Baptist church. My stepmother is very devout in attending church. Now se churches they have Sunday school at houses like fellowship and they do Sunday service but at some they had you attend Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday training union then you had prayer and a sermon after that then if you sang in choir you had choir practice. Then on Saturdays she had the youth clean the church then she took over doing the church bulletins for Sundays. And God forbid if they had revivals that was for a whole week then in summer VBS. She wanted to be the youth director but she did not get paid. The men did. Later on she got into women's ministry UT she Co taught with her friend. When I got out of HS. THEY DD
I started attending a different type of church. More non demonization but they do somewhat follow Baptist by baptism. THEY don't care what you wear as my mother made us wear church dresses in morning but at night we can wear jeans. She quit her job and did 7 years of this drama ministry that got paid through love offerings if that. She was financially supporting them til the 2 cast members got married . Then she moved back homestate. She tried telling me or questioned my faith cause no matter if got saved, carry a Bible attend church she believes I am not saved. Which is BS. I was attending church and even went to her church when I lived in same city as her. But I would attend my MIL CHURCH EVEN MY HUSBANDS CHURCH. I LATER FOUND A CHURCH I LOVED. When she moved I attended church with my dad, another church. Then was looking at another one after my dad passed away and tried looking for one closer to home. Years later she apologized but damage was done. I love when my pastor stated what more can Jesus do he died on the cross if you ask forgiveness and get baptized once saved always saved yes we sin but that is not
This is horrible what Jenny as a young, believing girl went through and how she got manipulated "spiritually" into her marriage with a stranger. I feel really sorry for her! Thanks for this channel for creating awareness and consciousness!
I grew up in a very Mormon town. I had a lot of friends who were LDS. I can’t help but wonder if any of them are truly happy over 40 years later. This channel has been very eye-opening about so many different religious cults. Thanks to those who share their stories, I wish you well.
This isn't just the Morman religion. I'm in university now at age 59, and the Christian and Muslim girls are saying the same things you're saying. They're bullied into studying for a degree, not because they want to be a doctor or a lawyer, but because their parents feel it gives them better marriage opportunities. Some are getting married in 3rd year, at age 20-21, because they want to have s3x with their boyfriend but can't do that without being married first. Then they end up pregnant and dropping out. I was raised in a Catholic home (back in the 70s/80s) with all the same ideas, but I wasn't even encouraged to go to college or university. I was told to get a job as a secretary or a dental assistant so I could meet a husband. I felt it was all my fault and I was dirty because my first boyfriend bullied me into sexual behaviours I DID NOT WANT, and said NO to (when I was only 15)! And I had no one I could talk to about it because I knew I'd be slut shamed. But, even when I said no to dates, my parents kept pushing me to go out with this sexual predator because they thought he was a 'nice boy'. I had no s3x education, no idea of consent, or how to even say no with any authority. I was raised hearing my parents say 'Don't you say no to me', and I wasn't allowed any bodily autonomy, but somehow I was supposed to know how to say no to s3x and drugs/alcohol. It's an impossible situation for a teenager.
I didn't grow up Mormon but I can relate to the purity culture in fundementalist Christian Church. 😢 I was also shamed and blamed for CSA. I can't wait for part 2. Thank you Jennie for your story. 🫂
Thank you both. Shelise, you are a gifted interviewer. You have a nack for knowing what to say and when to say nothing. You are gifted at helping people open up, making them feel heard and listening with empathy. I’ve learned a lot about the topics featured from your guests, but more about being a supportive listener from watching you.
Marie, You said it so immaculately well for us all. Shelise was born to do this. I love how she is always so calm even when 'something triggers' . Her sensitivity to others' pain is so heartfelt and authentic, with such controlled resent to the perps. That girl is platinum. Add Jennie to the mix! They should be running for President
Never mormon, but I was raised evangelical, and I so relate to that feeling of not having choices and winding up with the first guy who comes along. He left me after 12 years of hell (5 married), and only once he was gone did I finally have a chance to figure out who I was and what I wanted, and have the space to leave religion myself.
I follow her on TikTok and she spoke to my soul when she talks about how important it is to be a woman and being employed. I started a new career at 33, for my daughter, to be a provider for her and she kept me going when I was having a lot of doubt and receiving a lot of pushback from my daughters father. So thank you.
Shelise, just when I think your channel couldn’t get any better, you raise the bar - again! Thank you Jennie for being so vulnerable in sharing your story. I’m excited to hear part two!!
Honestly heart broken at the toxic teachings of the Mormon church! How dare they preach such rubbish to cause someone to consider unaliving themselves for another’s act and then the pressure of marriage is horrific! Sending love and hugs and such respect xxx
I'm about halfway through this interview, and I just want to say this is super important. Thanks for sharing. I'm having many epiphanies about close family members and friends based on your experiences. It's giving me such compassion and understanding
Only a few mins in, but I’m really enjoying this conversation. I grew up Irish catholic and I can massively relate. Purity damages women. Both of you are stunning and I’m just so proud of the work you’re doing, Shelise you look extra beautiful in purple🌟🌙
@@cindylee3410a minor doesn’t deserve complete privacy if safety is a concern. My mother read my diary as a 14 year old. And discovered I had spent an overnight in a randoms car with girlfriends and a male. in the middle of nowhere in a country town. I was not happy at the time and that it felt as if I was violated. However I can see now that it was the right thing to do. I was in a lot of trouble. My safety was paramount!!
@luminescence7584 While I see your point about safety, I think that most parents who invade their childrens' privacy like that don't have any actual reason to fear for their safety. Rather, it stems from nosiness. That was my experience. It didn't change my behavior, I just never kept a diary again and became super secretive.
I cannot wrap my mind around the absolute utter horror Jenny went through at just 14. I am so very sorry. The so called 'bishop' is the one who, if there's even such a thing as Hell (I'm an atheist), I'm pretty sure that guy and all the bullies like him will meet their maker through the Hellevator 😤😡 Jenny, you are beautiful on the inside and out ❤ I'm so happy you have found your voice, don't ever loose it. And a very happy birthday, 50, that's so special ! Aging is a privilege 😘
I am so with you on this. I have never heard the term “hellevator “ before. I love it. I’m going to use it. I am so glad that these beautiful ladies are in a much better phase of their lives and that the word is getting out!
Ugh. So very helpful to understand. Thanks to Jennie for explaining how she was so controlled, herded into misery. I'm glad that at least her dad had his eyes open. Really amazing story. I write "ugh" because how she was treated was so gross, and she was made to feel guilty for things she didn't do. Arrrrgh.
I remember that book. This was in the 70,s and people were believing that big time. I was forced too, it was not rape but groping. I told my friend. Big mistake. I ended up in the bishop's office. I could not explain anything to him. I was frozen. I came out so traumatized I never went back to church. A few days later I received a letter from my friend telling me I was going to hell, but I didn't believe it. I 100 percent never went back to the Mormon church ever. I was 13.
Similar here, but Missouri Synod Lutheran Church. Thankfully, that was not my main religious influence. But the betrayal by relatives, and by "Christianity," was hard to take. I have no use for blind faith. .
@@randyjordan5521 No They were not. Only had a mother. I was baptized, my mom came to that. I went with friends mostly. My mom dropped me off sometimes. I was so traumatized, with that Bishop, I could not return. They called after me, My mom let them have it.
I love this channel so much because even though i didn’t grow up in a cult, i grew up around religion and religious people and there were definitely some pretty tough things i faced as a very young girl because of it. It’s so nice being able to hear other people’s stories because even though they’re very different from mine there’s some similarities and it makes the little girl i was feel less alone... thank you cults to consciousness and all guests who come on 🥺🙌🏼
I had a similar experience at 19 with an older return missionary. He didn’t treat me inappropriately but he lobbied hard to get me to marry him. There was such a power imbalance but I was too naive to see it. He encouraged me to get my patriarchal blessing because he knew it would probably say something about being a wife or something about a future husband or something that would make me feel like I should marry him. Luckily I had a strong enough sense of self to say no and I dodged that bullet but thinking back on it I could have easily ended up married to someone I absolutely would have been miserable with.
Holy crap! You’re gonna turn 50? I would’ve guessed that you are like 27 or 28. I thought I looked young for my age, but you look 10 years younger than me and I’m about to turn 40!
Same with Islam! Muhammad Whenever someone live with the mindset of taken , grabbing, owning ,possessing , controlling, over powering, subjugating How can I be tolerant! Islam is founded under the principles of The ends justify the means
I was also shamed by a pastor who also happened to be my uncle and my abuser’s uncle. It was so painful to be asked how i let it last 7 years from 8-15 & the answer simply was i mustve wanted it.
I told my sister that I was in therapy because of my religious trauma (mainstream Mormon church) and she told me it hurt her feelings when I said things like that. Not because she’s sorry I was traumatized but that she wasn’t and didn’t want to hear about my pain.
I was not raised Mormon, but charismatic Christian that was huge into purity culture but, Oh my goodness! I had a lightbulb moment when you 2 were talking about not being the "pretty girl" and trying not to be seen or it would be my fault if the boys had "impure thoughts". I used to cover myself with baggy clothes and jackets even in the summer after I started to develop, which happened young like 10-11 years old. I'm 45 years old and STILL have a hard time being "seen". Although, I also have had very uncomfortable interactions with men which has not helped. I was also called a "slut" before I even knew what the word meant. I didn't realize until right now that may be left over from the idea that women are the reason men fall into sexual sin drilled into my very young, very vulnerable mind. Now I have a new "trauma" to work through. Thank you!
oh wow. can't wait to see the 2nd ep! You guys have such a great chemistry. And Im so sorry you went through that Jennie! So glad you got out and hopefully is in a better place now - and that you are saving your daughters!
Thank you Jennie, for describing life in this dreadful cult that pretends to be about goodness. If I believed in Satan, I would credit him with personally creating the damned thing. It's so vile and so sad.
The Abrahamic religions are patriarchal….Judaism, Christianity and Islam….All related….All from the same culture. I’m a recovering Catholic and say nope to organized religion-they’re man made. Thank you both so much for your bravery in sharing❤❤I hope exposing this type of abuse helps break these patriarchal systems.
I taught Sunday school for years without believing. It’s easy to parrot what’s happening in front of you to be honest. I understand how your dad was able to do it in order to get along with the people in his life because that’s what I did. I loved the people who believed so I was willing to do it for them. I’m so sorry that you have had the experiences you had. I was able to be honest with my friends and family eventually and they still loved me but I know everyone doesn’t get that. I’m glad you have found and followed your truth. I wish you peace. 😊
@@playinglifeoneasy9226 🤘🏾let’s go. It saved my sanity. My family just knew I was gonna do what I was gonna do, so they learnt to make requests and have low expectations. My siblings that follow the rules are still in the cycle of abuse and gaslighting.
I just got to the part where the guest is describing her assault and unliving attempt. I feel so bad she went through that. I can't imagine telling an adult that they are going to hell for being assaulted and harming themselves after, because that would be legitimately awful. Telling this to a kid who is struggling is honestly horrific. I hope you are doing so much better now.
Those bishops were the worst!!! How could they be so insensitive!!! It makes me so angry that anybody would be shamed like you were after experiencing abuse 😢, I am so sorry that happened to you!!! I hope that you have been able to heal and to embrace your teenage self in the way the adults around you should have. Thanks for sharing your story and for being so brave!!!
When you gasp I was only 14. I can’t. This is such a horrific story. I cannot imagine this happening to me at 14. Love….. this is unreal. Thank you for sharing with such grace.
Out of all the heartbreaking and infuriating things Jennie talked about in her life, the 'church' excluding her own family from her wedding for reasons ENTIRELY out of their control, took me by surprise with how angry I was. 🤬 Religion should have nothing to do with money/wealth!!
27:33 I absolutely despise this lady's mother. Like wtf. My heart breaks for her. Moreso the fucking "therapist" shetani mwingine huyo. Fuck. And that Bishop and recommending that disgusting book. My heart goes out to this lady so much
Omg I can't wait for the next part!! She's such an amazing storyteller ❤ also Shelise, you've always been an excellent interviewer, but you've become SO much better at it even since the beginning!
@@CultstoConsciousness I think the most important part though is your empathy and being able to feel what your guests are or aren't comfortable talking about. Like you bring up a lot of topics and questions, and sometimes it gets guests to open up, but you always stop pressing immediately when you feel like the vibe isn't good in that direction, and I love that about your style!!
I’m so sorry if this is tonally inappropriate , but when you talked about the guy feeling the Holy Ghost at the Olive Garden all I could think was “I feel God in this Chili’s tonight” 😅. 1:08:59
The person you’re interviewing is so adorable and she’s so entertaining. I’ve been listening intently the entire time. I’m so excited for another part!!!!
This makes me SO angry! More and more, I view sexist patriarchy at the same base, hateful level as the basest, most hateful racism. It comes from the exact same place and has the same horrendous consequences. We need to rout it out of society with the same passion and urgency. What tragic bravery Jennie has been pressed to embody. All love and care to you. Thank you, Shelise, for being this soft, strong, safe place! The world is better because you are in it.
Honestly the best for me so far! Felt so relatable and felt many emotions. I’m grateful for this convo. Never knew how worse it was in other Mormon churches.
I have to say this chanel is so great, I am following for a long time. I really love how empathic you are with your guests, Shelise❤. I feel for Jennie, it is unbelievable what manipulation and abuse she went through at such a joung age. I am looking forward to part two and I wish her all the best. 🤗🍀👍
That "Miracle of Forgiveness" book is so screwed up! I'm a Christian and even in the book I happened to be reading last night, it included how even if you had done something willingly (which you did NOT!), you would not be damned over it and there always is a way forward. But holy crap, being given that poisonous book when YOU WERE FORCED...unbelievable and disgusting!
12:28 - 12:43 Wow. Most dad would have left the sex talk up to their wives but cared enough to teach her that she had other options. That honestly makes me emotional because having a dad that cares enough about your well being to have those awkward conversations is hard to come by.
Thanks to Jennie for sharing her very personal experiences, thanks for being vulnerable and honest. This puts my own life into perspective, we have such different life experiences. I have always had the need to fend for myself, study hard, go trough physical pain because of an autoinmune disease (AS) and there has been so many times I wish I could just be taken care of, since at 33 I'm already very tired of this lifestyle, very sad that I have not had the chance to be a mom. It's so radically different, but I truly thank Shelise and all the brave guests who give us the opportunity to see and reflect on other extreme, not so happy lifestyles.
Thank you so much for your honesty. You will help so many people with this, people that you will never meet. I also escaped from a high-demand religion, Laestadian Lutheran. I understand you, Jennie, and I feel sure you would understand me. Thank you, thank you.
Thank you for your story...I was excommunicated at 19 because I questioned many of the very things that people leaving delt with... This was many years ago, and today I am free, and walk with Jesus...
Gosh, only halfway through the video, and I feel so sad for this lovely lady. None of us knew what consent was in my day-“regular Christian” here. I am 65. I am very glad today young boys and girls are learning about consent, at least here in California. I was too embarrassed to ask Mom about shmex. I also grew up in an alcoholic, bullying abusive home situation. All my life until recently, I’ve accepted bullying and abusive behavior-it was my “normal.” My future husband did lots of things to me that I wouldn’t have consented to if I knew I had the right not to consent-petting, etc. I did feel guilty the whole time even though it was enjoyable. I did learn to enjoy sex I’m divorced now, and learning a better way to live. What happened to this young woman at age 14 was grape.
I was a recent convert. Failed to meet anyone and got ghosted by my missionary. So my experience has been awful. It was the fact I didn’t fit in that made me stop attending. It wasn’t till after I started realizing the bad stuff. So I could have led the life of her father. But because dating has always been an extreme struggle for me I didn’t get stuck in a situation like her father
I went to Mormon church with some friends in college (I wasn't interested in converting, I was just super curious to see it for myself). I didn't partake of the sacrament because I didn't when I went to Catholic mass with my friends either (if I don't ascribe to the religion, I don't partake in sacred portions). It piqued *everyone's* curiosity that I didn't partake. All the wind came out of their sails when I responded that I was leaving it for the believers since I wasn't one - I was there for my friends, not because I had any intention of converting.
It the nails! I love it. I hope next Sunday you take a break and go to the pool, sun bathe and the reason for then should be… the damn vitamin D. terrible cases
It’s interesting that Jennie’s dad is a nonbeliever. That is very similar to a couple I know where the wife was raised a Mormon after her family converted when she was 10 and her husband who was never a Mormon or baptized into the church. Currently, 3/4 kids are not religious or do not attend the Mormon church. One of the kids is very devout and went on a mission for two years and is not considered an Elder even though he’s a year older than me.
Must be Elder to be Elder/ missionary. Our kid turned 18 & was made Elder, last time I went to church. He has a choice & chooses not to remain in Mormon cult! Winning!!
@@Autumn1988on Mormon stories podcast, Mr.D explains it as ´Bishop roulettes ´ meaning that, if you are unlucky, your bishop will be a pedo (many pedo join the church for this opportunity). They have way too much unsupervised access to minors and the church historically has taken measures and invested in protecting the pedos, not the members. Ex: a. they have a church line where you call about sexual abuse rather than 911. B. they have been lobbying to keep a 5 year statute of limitations on child sexual abuse! Gross C. They have been lobbying to protect the clergy from becoming mandatory reporters like teachers or medical professionals are. D. when all protections fail and the crimes are reported, they historically used their considerable finances to get bulldog lawyers to defend the pedos. They insist that it’s better to repent. E. convicted pedophiles are given bishopship or or youth leadership positions, especially the scouts camps, without full disclosure to the families involved. It is almost as if the leadership have crimes of their own to protect at all cost. I don’t understand how any capitalist organization would risk so much to protect especially pedophiles. There are so many stories of father r-wording their children, and all they have to do it repent. If the wives try to leave, the church disfellowships them for not fulfilling their wifely duties and leading the husbands to sin. I wish I was joking.
This is such a crazy story, it feels like you lived 200 years ago. You seem like a very nice and caring person and not because you grew up mormon. You just wanted to do the right thing and its so sad that that trapped you in a live that wasn't right for you.
I felt so, so much while I listened to this episode. So much sadness and anger on your behalf. I also felt again how very grateful I am that my parents raised me like they did. My dad had one single friend he could confide in that he had questions about his church (Southern Baptist). My mom was raised in a fire and brimstone church, but like Jenny, her dad was not as devout as her mom. My dad moved away from home after college, which was the biggest rebellion, and my mom got a PhD in Spanish and was the first woman in her department at a state university. My parents valued school so much and in many ways showed me that I did not owe it to any future husband to make decisions for him. I attended a small liberal arts 4-year college where it was VERY unusual to have a classmate who was married, and if you did, that classmate was a “non traditional” (read: older than 22) undergrad. Meanwhile, I dated a little but never had a serious boyfriend. My “best guy friend” from high school was around freshman year and kept in touch while he went through some tough years. If someone said “he likes you,” I just laughed because I couldn’t imagine dating him. He returned from military service when I was nearing graduation. Things shifted in my feelings, and, long story short, we have been married 31 years. It’s very hard for me to imagine myself surviving the Mormon church. I am sorry that your mom was so constrained by the church. I’m sure it caused her so much confusion and pain. I felt so bad for your dad, especially, over not being allowed at your wedding. What could make it more clear what the church’s priorities are? *sigh* 💔 😢 Where is the humanity? And just can’t even imagine how your young self made any sense out of the whole thing. (Side note: “Naked Temple Touching” made me chuckle!) I appreciate your story very much, and I wish you so, so much happiness. 🩷
I'm just devastated for the situation when you were 14. The mom in me just wishes I could reach out and hug you. This is a cult, this isn't a normal response to assault and a mental health crisis.
Ok. First off, any adult who calls a minor child a "slut" should be the one who is ashamed of themselves!
Right!
How dare they!
Yes. A philandering father calling his daughter a s!i1 for getting out and living with the first boy she could find. Happened in my family. Happens a lot. Yet so many mormon girls came up pregnant in high school.
My mother called me a tramp for kissing my boyfriend. She was raised in a Pentecostal church.
@@jaccaj1626 absolutely that did not occur to me at first but gosh yeah horrendous behavior especially adult calling child that!
@@KentAndrewHazarado you have any friends?
Because of this channel, when 3 missionaries (I live in a suburb in WA) knocked on my door, I asked them if they needed water or snacks. I made sure to tell them if they were out and hungry, to come back and let me know. They looked like babies. Idk how old they are, but they looked so so young. I've also explained to my fiancé about them more than likely being separated from their families. We aren't a religious household, but we are a kind home. Thank you for taking the time and explaining the human behavior behind the experiences we see. It helps remove the confusion/anger from the random people that are forced to interrupt the peace of the day.
This just made my day!! Thank you for being kind to them ❤️
That's so uplifting. You show the kindness and compassion that's entirely missing from these cults that pretend to uphold a myriad of virtues while in reality only worshiping greed.
Thank you for showing kindness to them! You’re a good example to these young people that everyone outside the church is not evil, and there is a life outside religion for them if they ever find themselves questioning
I've done the same thing. We are now the apartment our area missionaries come to when in need.
I've thought about that, and for JW ladies, except their men are waiting in a car down the road. I want to tell them they can come to me if they want to leave.
We need a "same shit different cult" Shirt 😂
Yes!!!
Man... I'd buy that shirt and wear the hell out of it.
I'd probably walk past my old ward on a Sunday with that shirt on.
Absolutely! The U.S. is having a moment... everything is being questioned. And there are a lot of prominent weird cults that need to be called out.
That’s a great idea!
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The psychological abuse of that church on kids should be a crime
If that’s the case, then 75% of people in many other situations, if not more, are criminal. I’d mention certain ‘industries’ but that’ll get one kicked off social media these days.
It's easy to say something like that, but most of the world is doing things like that to children in different ways. Mormanism is just another religious group that systematizes many abuses in particular ways. The way to break it is to preach the truth of Jesus Christ.
@@jennifercornman1291 yes kids are hurt worst but the parents oftentimes are brainwashed into thinking it’s the right way to raise children!
@@jennifercornman1291 I agree, however, wouldn't you say all religions are guilty of psychological abuse? By forcing one's own "Belief" adopted from someone else's "Belief" and proclaiming it comes from "God" (the creator of all in this entire universe) preventing a child from discovering their own "Realizations" masked by the limited "belief" paradigm which was imposed on them during their formative years? Think about it.
@@jennifercornman1291 greed, gov, politics all counts on the god delusion to get away with what they do
Bishops should feel like dirty old men for asking these young girls to describe their personel sexual experiences. Disgusting!
Agreed
That’s why they do it. It is predatory & perverse. They aren’t asking to actually counsel or help the victim. They get off on hearing the sexual harm/abuse that was done to women & girls.
It's no different for boys. When I turned 14, I went in for the interview to be ordained a teacher. My branch president asked me if I had "any masturbation problems." I had never heard that word, and I didn't know what it meant. I thought that it must be some medical condition, and that the BP was just inquiring about my general health. So I just replied "No." I didn't even learn what masturbation was until I was 16. But that incident is an example of why it's inappropriate for grown men to be talking about sexual things with children of that age. Those issues are for parents or doctors to discuss with children.
@@randyjordan5521sooo now, you admit to having the masturbation issues?
ON EVERY LEVEL. DISGUSTING.
I wish more people were focusing on her story, and what she said, and not how good she looks for her age… 🙄
This was a very inspirational story. Thank you so much for sharing this.
I just wanted to give 14 year old Jennie a big hug watching this!!! How traumatizing!!!!
I was raised reformed Presbyterian and remember being summoned before the elders and sitting in a room, door closed, with 6 grown MEN. No one should go through that. Especially when "what you did" wasn't even your fault.
Did you convert to Islam afterwards? If yes, you are in another cult.
It's being assaulted all over again.
@@2degucitas 100% trauma on top of trauma
Actually, it is an old ancient oriental tradition to traumatize young folks this way... Unfortunately, the scheme has been depicted by modern day religious leaders who dived into Old Testament, Jewish culture or certain ancient occult traditions a little bit too much...
There are two historical people that really help against this type of wickedness as they give some explanation for the whole thing...
* Mr. Chief Psychiatrist Carl Gustav Jung in his older days stated that psychological, as well as physical abuse "obviously must have been intrinsic in ancient oriental monotheism already", and we have to fight this.
* Charlemagne aka "St. Carolus Rex et Imperator", declared an official Catholic Saint in the 12th century. Said to be a protector of children, youngsters and "all true lovers, the legitimate ones, as well as the illegitimate ones", against all injust, harsh or wicked authorities, including all kinds of evil clergymen.
Both guys had been opposed to spiritual, psychological and physical abuse in their live span and both are very helpful to understand how old this problem actually is.
Ohh no, you sinned.
She turns 50 in 4 days??? Ain't no way. She looks about 30.
She is so pretty and youthful looking!
Agree
I was thinking the same thing. Very beautiful woman inside and out.
Yes, she looks great!! A lot of us still look young at 50, it is in the genes.
@@denisedevoto5703yes as a youthful 50 year old some is the genes but by 50 lifestyle factors are starting to show. This woman has not had an easy life although I guess 20 years inside a kitchen cuts down on sun damage
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
For any young girls watching, please know you can SAY NO, if you do not want someone touching you!
But there are some girls in Oklahoma who cain't say no. :-)
Well the ones who love god, don’t talk.
I have been following Jennie for a few months now. I am so happy to see this collaboration! Break the Silence. Break the Cycle.
I found Jennie on this podcast also and I’m excited for this episode!
Thx for being here for it❤
Just two beautiful souls. The dynamo duo..
@@lifetaketwo7662 how do I locate PT/2. This was cheesecake rich. You are so real. So loved. So amusingly funny. Jen you are the whole enchilada.
Jennie is a liar and an abuser. You literally cannot believe one single thing she says. She’s a con artist. Virtually her entire family had to cut off communication with her, and it has nothing to do with mormonism, because none of us are mormon anymore. Her own kids don’t talk to her. Ask yourself why she’s the only one that’s been cut off. Should be obvious.
The idea of consent is so non-existent in the Mormon Church. I didn't really know what it was until I met my boyfriend. Every step every time he asks if what he is doing is ok. My whole teen and twenties was trying to avoid any situation where I didn't know how to say no. You learn how to say yes to every calling, say yes to whatever your parents tell you, say yes to what your grandparents tell you, and say yes to what all your leaders tell you. You never learn how to say no.
THIS!
Yes! No sense of self. Then shame when we realized we said yes to something we "weren't supposed to."
"No" is not acceptable for all your formative years. You are rewarded for complying and punished for not complying. Your agency is not valued but your obedience is. And then you learned and you turned out nice and good! You did everything right! The training is solid. They've made you into the perfect little victim.
I can affirm.
So true! I observed similar effects on members of Jehovas Witnesses, 7-day adventists, New Apostolic Church and various "Neo-Evangelical" groups. Same thing in other religious groups and cults, unfortunately. I feel so sorry for the young folks! 😢
After all the stories about the fundamentalist Mormons, I forgot that the regular mainline Mormon church can also be pretty wild/gross.
Same
... Main problem might be that leaders of LDS are infected with ancient oriental fundamentalism. 😮
I wish I could say I was surprised by the lack of compassion, but I’m not. Just one example, my brother was diagnosed with type one bipolar disorder after a very public manic episode. The people in our small ward practically shunned him because he “must’ve done something awful in order to be possessed by an evil spirit”. This was in 2018. No empathy for his mental health. It made everything so much worse. He’s the most kind and empathetic person I know. I hope my son will grow up to be half the man he is. He’s still in the church and I just wish he could see how wrong that was.
As a former Mormon who's also bipolar, I hope he sees the real face of it before they suck him dry.
Growing up with mental health issues is just hard on its own. Having to grow up with rules and ideas that aren’t logical due to religion, escalates the difficulty immensely. Dealing with the shame and judgement for things you never agreed to, or for just being You, it’s incredibly confusing. I didn’t grow up Mormon but I did grow up in the Catholic Church. It’s just as bad but somehow it’s still widely accepted. We need to keep telling our stories. I hope your brother is free of all of that now because we all deserve love, kindness, and compassion. We also deserve real mental healthcare. I’m really glad he made it though!
they are dumb and think that every mental disorder is evil spirit. its easier to blame everything on imaginary being ig. it doesnt require thinking
I’m so sorry. I have a mother and a child who are bipolar and both are kind people. It’s such a hard thing to live with even when you have loads of support. Without support it must be devastating. I hope he leaves the church.
The story about Ryan made me cry. That’s so incredibly sad.
I just wanted to reach through the screen and give Jennie the biggest hug as she was telling us about "talking" to the Bishop. I'm so glad you weren't successful and are here to tell us your story. I'm 61 years old and was brought up in the southern Baptist church (a whole story in itself 😳) and had never heard of the Mormon church until my late teens. All I knew about it was it was a different "religion". I've not gone to any church since I was 18 and could make my own decision. The only exception being my mother's funeral 30 years ago. I do like channels such as yours, both of you. I'm curious but not enough to actually go to other churches. I'm sorry for rambling, but I'm just glad the two of you dodged a bullet as well. Love your channels! ❤
Thx for watching and for the virtual hug❤
I was raised I'm a Southern Baptist church. My stepmother is very devout in attending church. Now se churches they have Sunday school at houses like fellowship and they do Sunday service but at some they had you attend Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday training union then you had prayer and a sermon after that then if you sang in choir you had choir practice. Then on Saturdays she had the youth clean the church then she took over doing the church bulletins for Sundays. And God forbid if they had revivals that was for a whole week then in summer VBS. She wanted to be the youth director but she did not get paid. The men did. Later on she got into women's ministry UT she Co taught with her friend. When I got out of HS. THEY DD
I started attending a different type of church. More non demonization but they do somewhat follow Baptist by baptism. THEY don't care what you wear as my mother made us wear church dresses in morning but at night we can wear jeans. She quit her job and did 7 years of this drama ministry that got paid through love offerings if that. She was financially supporting them til the 2 cast members got married . Then she moved back homestate. She tried telling me or questioned my faith cause no matter if got saved, carry a Bible attend church she believes I am not saved. Which is BS. I was attending church and even went to her church when I lived in same city as her. But I would attend my MIL CHURCH EVEN MY HUSBANDS CHURCH. I LATER FOUND A CHURCH I LOVED. When she moved I attended church with my dad, another church. Then was looking at another one after my dad passed away and tried looking for one closer to home. Years later she apologized but damage was done. I love when my pastor stated what more can Jesus do he died on the cross if you ask forgiveness and get baptized once saved always saved yes we sin but that is not
My heart goes out to this lovely woman. I'm so glad she is speaking up. ❤
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This is horrible what Jenny as a young, believing girl went through and how she got manipulated "spiritually" into her marriage with a stranger. I feel really sorry for her!
Thanks for this channel for creating awareness and consciousness!
I grew up in a very Mormon town. I had a lot of friends who were LDS. I can’t help but wonder if any of them are truly happy over 40 years later. This channel has been very eye-opening about so many different religious cults. Thanks to those who share their stories, I wish you well.
This isn't just the Morman religion. I'm in university now at age 59, and the Christian and Muslim girls are saying the same things you're saying. They're bullied into studying for a degree, not because they want to be a doctor or a lawyer, but because their parents feel it gives them better marriage opportunities. Some are getting married in 3rd year, at age 20-21, because they want to have s3x with their boyfriend but can't do that without being married first. Then they end up pregnant and dropping out. I was raised in a Catholic home (back in the 70s/80s) with all the same ideas, but I wasn't even encouraged to go to college or university. I was told to get a job as a secretary or a dental assistant so I could meet a husband. I felt it was all my fault and I was dirty because my first boyfriend bullied me into sexual behaviours I DID NOT WANT, and said NO to (when I was only 15)! And I had no one I could talk to about it because I knew I'd be slut shamed. But, even when I said no to dates, my parents kept pushing me to go out with this sexual predator because they thought he was a 'nice boy'. I had no s3x education, no idea of consent, or how to even say no with any authority. I was raised hearing my parents say 'Don't you say no to me', and I wasn't allowed any bodily autonomy, but somehow I was supposed to know how to say no to s3x and drugs/alcohol. It's an impossible situation for a teenager.
I am so sorry this happened and you experienced such things and the mental anguish of isolation. You should have had support and kindness.
I didn't grow up Mormon but I can relate to the purity culture in fundementalist Christian Church. 😢 I was also shamed and blamed for CSA.
I can't wait for part 2. Thank you Jennie for your story. 🫂
Same
@@heathersnyder8789 I think there's a lot of us. We should band together to support each other. 🫂
@@joyful_tanya me too. I'm so sorry 💔
Thank you both. Shelise, you are a gifted interviewer. You have a nack for knowing what to say and when to say nothing. You are gifted at helping people open up, making them feel heard and listening with empathy. I’ve learned a lot about the topics featured from your guests, but more about being a supportive listener from watching you.
You are so right. She is amazing
Marie, You said it so immaculately well for us all. Shelise was born to do this. I love how she is always so calm even when 'something triggers' . Her sensitivity to others' pain is so heartfelt and authentic, with such controlled resent to the perps. That girl is platinum. Add Jennie to the mix! They should be running for President
Never mormon, but I was raised evangelical, and I so relate to that feeling of not having choices and winding up with the first guy who comes along. He left me after 12 years of hell (5 married), and only once he was gone did I finally have a chance to figure out who I was and what I wanted, and have the space to leave religion myself.
I follow her on TikTok and she spoke to my soul when she talks about how important it is to be a woman and being employed. I started a new career at 33, for my daughter, to be a provider for her and she kept me going when I was having a lot of doubt and receiving a lot of pushback from my daughters father. So thank you.
As a 29 year old, unmarried woman starting over career-wise, this comment speaks to my soul!! 🩷 you should be proud of yourself
Hmmm, concerning you don’t respect your child’s fathers wishes.
Shelise, just when I think your channel couldn’t get any better, you raise the bar - again! Thank you Jennie for being so vulnerable in sharing your story. I’m excited to hear part two!!
Wow, thank you!🥰🙏
Shelise is simple amazing.
@@CultstoConsciousnesswhen will I be on this podcast?? 😊
For Real.
@@CultstoConsciousness when will I be on this podcast??
Break it all apart! Ex mo missionary here!
We all need to call out the damage done!
Yes, there is a massive need for profound analysis and psychological processing... 😮
And praise the successes!!
Me Too movement..
Jennie is very strong, best wishes for “taketwo”
Thank you ❤❤
Honestly heart broken at the toxic teachings of the Mormon church! How dare they preach such rubbish to cause someone to consider unaliving themselves for another’s act and then the pressure of marriage is horrific! Sending love and hugs and such respect xxx
Thank you for the kindness and comparison in this comment ❤
I'm about halfway through this interview, and I just want to say this is super important. Thanks for sharing. I'm having many epiphanies about close family members and friends based on your experiences. It's giving me such compassion and understanding
Only a few mins in, but I’m really enjoying this conversation. I grew up Irish catholic and I can massively relate. Purity damages women. Both of you are stunning and I’m just so proud of the work you’re doing, Shelise you look extra beautiful in purple🌟🌙
I love her shirt!
Liked. Shared. Commented. Up the algorithm.
Thank u❤❤❤
Reading someone's diary without asking is also a consent violation. Even mom.
I don’t think so if your child is a minor and you are worried about your child! If it’s a safety issue it’s important!
@luminescence7584 absolutely disagree. There are other ways than violating privacy
@@cindylee3410a minor doesn’t deserve complete privacy if safety is a concern. My mother read my diary as a 14 year old. And discovered I had spent an overnight in a randoms car with girlfriends and a male. in the middle of nowhere in a country town. I was not happy at the time and that it felt as if I was violated. However I can see now that it was the right thing to do. I was in a lot of trouble. My safety was paramount!!
@luminescence7584 While I see your point about safety, I think that most parents who invade their childrens' privacy like that don't have any actual reason to fear for their safety. Rather, it stems from nosiness. That was my experience. It didn't change my behavior, I just never kept a diary again and became super secretive.
@@KRL1999 my parents nosiness was a good thing!
I cannot wrap my mind around the absolute utter horror Jenny went through at just 14. I am so very sorry. The so called 'bishop' is the one who, if there's even such a thing as Hell (I'm an atheist), I'm pretty sure that guy and all the bullies like him will meet their maker through the Hellevator 😤😡
Jenny, you are beautiful on the inside and out ❤ I'm so happy you have found your voice, don't ever loose it. And a very happy birthday, 50, that's so special ! Aging is a privilege 😘
I am so with you on this.
I have never heard the term “hellevator “ before. I love it. I’m going to use it.
I am so glad that these beautiful ladies are in a much better phase of their lives and that the word is getting out!
The Hellevator! 😂 I'm gonna have to use that from now on!
That's how I grew up- Jewish-orthodox
Just started the interview, but I have to say it, Shelise, you look absolutely stunning! ❤❤❤
Ugh. So very helpful to understand. Thanks to Jennie for explaining how she was so controlled, herded into misery. I'm glad that at least her dad had his eyes open. Really amazing story. I write "ugh" because how she was treated was so gross, and she was made to feel guilty for things she didn't do. Arrrrgh.
I remember that book. This was in the 70,s and people were believing that big time. I was forced too, it was not rape but groping. I told my friend. Big mistake. I ended up in the bishop's office. I could not explain anything to him. I was frozen. I came out so traumatized I never went back to church. A few days later I received a letter from my friend telling me I was going to hell, but I didn't believe it. I 100 percent never went back to the Mormon church ever. I was 13.
Wow!!! That’s awful AND I’m so proud of you for standing up for yourself at such a young age and not buying into the fear tactics ❤️
Similar here, but Missouri Synod Lutheran Church. Thankfully, that was not my main religious influence. But the betrayal by relatives, and by "Christianity," was hard to take. I have no use for blind faith.
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That was no friend. That's a snitch. Sorry it happened to you.
How were you able to quit going to church at age 13? Were your parents not members?
@@randyjordan5521 No They were not. Only had a mother. I was baptized, my mom came to that. I went with friends mostly. My mom dropped me off sometimes. I was so traumatized, with that Bishop, I could not return. They called after me, My mom let them have it.
I love this channel so much because even though i didn’t grow up in a cult, i grew up around religion and religious people and there were definitely some pretty tough things i faced as a very young girl because of it. It’s so nice being able to hear other people’s stories because even though they’re very different from mine there’s some similarities and it makes the little girl i was feel less alone... thank you cults to consciousness and all guests who come on 🥺🙌🏼
I had a similar experience at 19 with an older return missionary. He didn’t treat me inappropriately but he lobbied hard to get me to marry him. There was such a power imbalance but I was too naive to see it. He encouraged me to get my patriarchal blessing because he knew it would probably say something about being a wife or something about a future husband or something that would make me feel like I should marry him. Luckily I had a strong enough sense of self to say no and I dodged that bullet but thinking back on it I could have easily ended up married to someone I absolutely would have been miserable with.
Holy crap! You’re gonna turn 50? I would’ve guessed that you are like 27 or 28. I thought I looked young for my age, but you look 10 years younger than me and I’m about to turn 40!
Botox..
Same with Islam!
Muhammad
Whenever someone live with the mindset of taken , grabbing, owning ,possessing , controlling, over powering, subjugating
How can I be tolerant!
Islam is founded under the principles of
The ends justify the means
This isn't about Islam 😅
@@andreapoulieva6717 isn’t Islam a cult too?
Operating like Mormon
Ex Muslim here!l
All religions are misogynistic
@@andreapoulieva6717It sounds like they see the similarities.
@@Mon-Alisawho?
Wow, what an episode. I can't wait for part 2!!! I didn't want it to end! Will definitely be subscribing to Jenny!
I was also shamed by a pastor who also happened to be my uncle and my abuser’s uncle. It was so painful to be asked how i let it last 7 years from 8-15 & the answer simply was i mustve wanted it.
OMG. I'm so sorry. Best to you.
I told my sister that I was in therapy because of my religious trauma (mainstream Mormon church) and she told me it hurt her feelings when I said things like that. Not because she’s sorry I was traumatized but that she wasn’t and didn’t want to hear about my pain.
I was not raised Mormon, but charismatic Christian that was huge into purity culture but, Oh my goodness! I had a lightbulb moment when you 2 were talking about not being the "pretty girl" and trying not to be seen or it would be my fault if the boys had "impure thoughts".
I used to cover myself with baggy clothes and jackets even in the summer after I started to develop, which happened young like 10-11 years old.
I'm 45 years old and STILL have a hard time being "seen". Although, I also have had very uncomfortable interactions with men which has not helped. I was also called a "slut" before I even knew what the word meant.
I didn't realize until right now that may be left over from the idea that women are the reason men fall into sexual sin drilled into my very young, very vulnerable mind.
Now I have a new "trauma" to work through. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing! Awareness is key. Now you can choose to unpack it or not 😁
oh wow. can't wait to see the 2nd ep! You guys have such a great chemistry. And Im so sorry you went through that Jennie! So glad you got out and hopefully is in a better place now - and that you are saving your daughters!
This was one of the best episodes on the channel. I REALLY enjoyed it. Thank you for sharing Jennie.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@CultstoConsciousness aww thanks for the reply!! I am chomping at the bit for Part 2!!!!
Thank you Jennie, for describing life in this dreadful cult that pretends to be about goodness. If I believed in Satan, I would credit him with personally creating the damned thing. It's so vile and so sad.
The Abrahamic religions are patriarchal….Judaism, Christianity and Islam….All related….All from the same culture. I’m a recovering Catholic and say nope to organized religion-they’re man made. Thank you both so much for your bravery in sharing❤❤I hope exposing this type of abuse helps break these patriarchal systems.
I don’t know as an adult how you repair your relationship with your mom. You are amazing !
Her poor Dad! So sad for the whole family. Such brain washing. That purity BS!
I taught Sunday school for years without believing. It’s easy to parrot what’s happening in front of you to be honest. I understand how your dad was able to do it in order to get along with the people in his life because that’s what I did. I loved the people who believed so I was willing to do it for them. I’m so sorry that you have had the experiences you had. I was able to be honest with my friends and family eventually and they still loved me but I know everyone doesn’t get that. I’m glad you have found and followed your truth. I wish you peace. 😊
I can really relate to being the scapegoat from a young age, it's so awful
Me too. 😢
I was the black sheep. 🐑
@@playinglifeoneasy9226 same!! Still am..
@@playinglifeoneasy9226 🤘🏾let’s go. It saved my sanity. My family just knew I was gonna do what I was gonna do, so they learnt to make requests and have low expectations. My siblings that follow the rules are still in the cycle of abuse and gaslighting.
I just got to the part where the guest is describing her assault and unliving attempt. I feel so bad she went through that. I can't imagine telling an adult that they are going to hell for being assaulted and harming themselves after, because that would be legitimately awful. Telling this to a kid who is struggling is honestly horrific. I hope you are doing so much better now.
Looking forward to 2nd episode.
Shelise, Cults to Consciouness is so informative & high quality. Love, love, love your work!
Those bishops were the worst!!! How could they be so insensitive!!! It makes me so angry that anybody would be shamed like you were after experiencing abuse 😢, I am so sorry that happened to you!!! I hope that you have been able to heal and to embrace your teenage self in the way the adults around you should have. Thanks for sharing your story and for being so brave!!!
Bishops have no training. They just repeat what they have been indoctrinated to do.
Bishop roulette is real!
When you gasp I was only 14. I can’t. This is such a horrific story. I cannot imagine this happening to me at 14. Love….. this is unreal. Thank you for sharing with such grace.
Holding someone back because they haven't paid tithing from their childs wedding is horrible. I feel so much for your parents.
It's a pay 2 play mlm corp with a capital C***
"If it feels creepy, illegal, scammy or trafficking, it probabely is!" (Jenny)
Out of all the heartbreaking and infuriating things Jennie talked about in her life, the 'church' excluding her own family from her wedding for reasons ENTIRELY out of their control, took me by surprise with how angry I was. 🤬 Religion should have nothing to do with money/wealth!!
Guess what, money is a huge and most important factor in most religions.
Jenny, you are so incredibly articulate! I really appreciate your story!!! Thank you! ❤
Holy crap. I cannot _believe_ the bishop wouldn't let your parents go to your wedding because of TITHING. WTH?!?!?
It's not that your parents WOULDN'T pay tithing, they *COULDN'T.* THIS MAKES NY BLOOD BOIL!!!! 😡🤬😠😤
27:33 I absolutely despise this lady's mother. Like wtf. My heart breaks for her. Moreso the fucking "therapist" shetani mwingine huyo. Fuck. And that Bishop and recommending that disgusting book. My heart goes out to this lady so much
Omg I can't wait for the next part!! She's such an amazing storyteller ❤ also Shelise, you've always been an excellent interviewer, but you've become SO much better at it even since the beginning!
Aww thank you! I definitely didn’t have a clue before but always open to learning!
@@CultstoConsciousness I think the most important part though is your empathy and being able to feel what your guests are or aren't comfortable talking about. Like you bring up a lot of topics and questions, and sometimes it gets guests to open up, but you always stop pressing immediately when you feel like the vibe isn't good in that direction, and I love that about your style!!
I’m so sorry if this is tonally inappropriate , but when you talked about the guy feeling the Holy Ghost at the Olive Garden all I could think was “I feel God in this Chili’s tonight” 😅. 1:08:59
what a story! I am on the edge of my chair waiting for the next episode!
I love the whole director analogy I currently am having a hard time and feel like I can't change things
Women calling other women "slut", actually means: " How dare you feel confortable in your own skin, when I can not?!"
The person you’re interviewing is so adorable and she’s so entertaining. I’ve been listening intently the entire time. I’m so excited for another part!!!!
This makes me SO angry! More and more, I view sexist patriarchy at the same base, hateful level as the basest, most hateful racism. It comes from the exact same place and has the same horrendous consequences. We need to rout it out of society with the same passion and urgency. What tragic bravery Jennie has been pressed to embody. All love and care to you.
Thank you, Shelise, for being this soft, strong, safe place! The world is better because you are in it.
Honestly the best for me so far! Felt so relatable and felt many emotions. I’m grateful for this convo. Never knew how worse it was in other Mormon churches.
Why wasn't the church helping your family financially? That is just despicable!
I have to say this chanel is so great, I am following for a long time. I really love how empathic you are with your guests, Shelise❤. I feel for Jennie, it is unbelievable what manipulation and abuse she went through at such a joung age. I am looking forward to part two and I wish her all the best. 🤗🍀👍
Glad to see this interview happening. 😊
33:38 My heart goes out to you, Jennie. Thank you, Shelise, for this space. 💜
That "Miracle of Forgiveness" book is so screwed up! I'm a Christian and even in the book I happened to be reading last night, it included how even if you had done something willingly (which you did NOT!), you would not be damned over it and there always is a way forward. But holy crap, being given that poisonous book when YOU WERE FORCED...unbelievable and disgusting!
12:28 - 12:43 Wow. Most dad would have left the sex talk up to their wives but cared enough to teach her that she had other options. That honestly makes me emotional because having a dad that cares enough about your well being to have those awkward conversations is hard to come by.
Thanks to Jennie for sharing her very personal experiences, thanks for being vulnerable and honest. This puts my own life into perspective, we have such different life experiences. I have always had the need to fend for myself, study hard, go trough physical pain because of an autoinmune disease (AS) and there has been so many times I wish I could just be taken care of, since at 33 I'm already very tired of this lifestyle, very sad that I have not had the chance to be a mom. It's so radically different, but I truly thank Shelise and all the brave guests who give us the opportunity to see and reflect on other extreme, not so happy lifestyles.
I'm definitely looking forward to part 2 of this chat. This is the first time I've heard of Jennie, but so much of her story hits home for me.
Chatwicks of Boston. Ha. The factory was about 5 miles from my home. Lucky for me they had an outlet store. Thanks for sharing your story.
My heart breaks for these women who are so hurt by the church
What? I have to wait for part 2?!
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Thank you so much for your honesty. You will help so many people with this, people that you will never meet. I also escaped from a high-demand religion, Laestadian Lutheran. I understand you, Jennie, and I feel sure you would understand me. Thank you, thank you.
You have the best interviews Shelise! Thanks to Jennie too. It was heart felt from both of you.
Thank you so much!
Wow! Just WOW! Can't wait for Part II.
Thank you for your story...I was excommunicated at 19 because I questioned many of the very things that people leaving delt with...
This was many years ago, and today I am free, and walk with Jesus...
Gosh, only halfway through the video, and I feel so sad for this lovely lady. None of us knew what consent was in my day-“regular Christian” here. I am 65. I am very glad today young boys and girls are learning about consent, at least here in California.
I was too embarrassed to ask Mom about shmex.
I also grew up in an alcoholic, bullying abusive home situation. All my life until recently, I’ve accepted bullying and abusive behavior-it was my “normal.” My future husband did lots of things to me that I wouldn’t have consented to if I knew I had the right not to consent-petting, etc. I did feel guilty the whole time even though it was enjoyable. I did learn to enjoy sex I’m divorced now, and learning a better way to live.
What happened to this young woman at age 14 was grape.
Thank you for sharing ❤️
I was a recent convert. Failed to meet anyone and got ghosted by my missionary. So my experience has been awful. It was the fact I didn’t fit in that made me stop attending. It wasn’t till after I started realizing the bad stuff. So I could have led the life of her father. But because dating has always been an extreme struggle for me I didn’t get stuck in a situation like her father
I went to Mormon church with some friends in college (I wasn't interested in converting, I was just super curious to see it for myself). I didn't partake of the sacrament because I didn't when I went to Catholic mass with my friends either (if I don't ascribe to the religion, I don't partake in sacred portions). It piqued *everyone's* curiosity that I didn't partake. All the wind came out of their sails when I responded that I was leaving it for the believers since I wasn't one - I was there for my friends, not because I had any intention of converting.
This was powerful!!! Thank you for shining the light. So similar to my Christian journey.
Thank you for sharing with us, Jeannie! I admie your resilience, you did it, you got out!!!
On a lighter note, my granddaughter that I have custody of has not been taking the sacrament. She said she can’t with her nails. We had a good laugh!
I love her. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm picturing it. Can't she at least stab the bread? The water .... I don't know.
@@petrahinkley5489 it is a matter of priorities. And to her 15 year old mind well. She has priorities. Don’t you know. Haha
It the nails! I love it. I hope next Sunday you take a break and go to the pool, sun bathe and the reason for then should be… the damn vitamin D. terrible cases
Maybe bring her a plastic spoon to church. :-)
It’s interesting that Jennie’s dad is a nonbeliever. That is very similar to a couple I know where the wife was raised a Mormon after her family converted when she was 10 and her husband who was never a Mormon or baptized into the church. Currently, 3/4 kids are not religious or do not attend the Mormon church. One of the kids is very devout and went on a mission for two years and is not considered an Elder even though he’s a year older than me.
Do you think the bishops get off on interviewing teenagers about their sexual (consensual and non consensual) activities? Gross pervert behaviour
Must be Elder to be Elder/ missionary. Our kid turned 18 & was made Elder, last time I went to church. He has a choice & chooses not to remain in Mormon cult! Winning!!
@@Autumn1988on Mormon stories podcast, Mr.D explains it as ´Bishop roulettes ´ meaning that, if you are unlucky, your bishop will be a pedo (many pedo join the church for this opportunity). They have way too much unsupervised access to minors and the church historically has taken measures and invested in protecting the pedos, not the members.
Ex: a. they have a church line where you call about sexual abuse rather than 911.
B. they have been lobbying to keep a 5 year statute of limitations on child sexual abuse! Gross
C. They have been lobbying to protect the clergy from becoming mandatory reporters like teachers or medical professionals are.
D. when all protections fail and the crimes are reported, they historically used their considerable finances to get bulldog lawyers to defend the pedos. They insist that it’s better to repent.
E. convicted pedophiles are given bishopship or or youth leadership positions, especially the scouts camps, without full disclosure to the families involved.
It is almost as if the leadership have crimes of their own to protect at all cost. I don’t understand how any capitalist organization would risk so much to protect especially pedophiles.
There are so many stories of father r-wording their children, and all they have to do it repent. If the wives try to leave, the church disfellowships them for not fulfilling their wifely duties and leading the husbands to sin. I wish I was joking.
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I sure think so? These people are repulsive!
“The way that the Holy Ghost was talking to me at the Olive Garden” I love this girl. Such a powerful/important message
This is such a crazy story, it feels like you lived 200 years ago. You seem like a very nice and caring person and not because you grew up mormon. You just wanted to do the right thing and its so sad that that trapped you in a live that wasn't right for you.
Yay I'm excited you brought her back to tell her story. I loved listening her talk in the last episode.
I have only just started watching. But there is no way she is almost 50 😮❤
I felt so, so much while I listened to this episode. So much sadness and anger on your behalf.
I also felt again how very grateful I am that my parents raised me like they did. My dad had one single friend he could confide in that he had questions about his church (Southern Baptist). My mom was raised in a fire and brimstone church, but like Jenny, her dad was not as devout as her mom.
My dad moved away from home after college, which was the biggest rebellion, and my mom got a PhD in Spanish and was the first woman in her department at a state university.
My parents valued school so much and in many ways showed me that I did not owe it to any future husband to make decisions for him.
I attended a small liberal arts 4-year college where it was VERY unusual to have a classmate who was married, and if you did, that classmate was a “non traditional” (read: older than 22) undergrad.
Meanwhile, I dated a little but never had a serious boyfriend. My “best guy friend” from high school was around freshman year and kept in touch while he went through some tough years. If someone said “he likes you,” I just laughed because I couldn’t imagine dating him.
He returned from military service when I was nearing graduation. Things shifted in my feelings, and, long story short, we have been married 31 years.
It’s very hard for me to imagine myself surviving the Mormon church.
I am sorry that your mom was so constrained by the church. I’m sure it caused her so much confusion and pain. I felt so bad for your dad, especially, over not being allowed at your wedding. What could make it more clear what the church’s priorities are? *sigh* 💔 😢 Where is the humanity? And just can’t even imagine how your young self made any sense out of the whole thing.
(Side note: “Naked Temple Touching” made me chuckle!)
I appreciate your story very much, and I wish you so, so much happiness. 🩷
Thank you for sharing your story.
I'm just devastated for the situation when you were 14. The mom in me just wishes I could reach out and hug you. This is a cult, this isn't a normal response to assault and a mental health crisis.
I am so sorry you went through all of this. i support you and have gone through so many of the same things.