My Alternative 10 Greatest Jazz Albums Ever
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Things You Realize a Half-Century Later: I sat in class from 1959 to 1961 - exactly one mile southwest of the Wilson home. Brian was teaching harmonies to his buds, brothers and cousins in the garage. Hawthorne, California, the Liverpool of America. I sang BASS in the second grade choir, 1960. Nobody said to me, "what you are doing, child, is impossible!". Age 7. If you ever got your hands dirty without enough food you can dig the stupidity. My mom had Roy Orbison, Ray Charles and a ton of stuff I didn't prefer. "Roll on, roll on, until, the end of time, I know you're gonna need me again..." (Brook Benton) - I had bass lessons as an infant from records. Refer to vinyl. Yes, L.A. is humanly dumb.
Excuse my jazz ignorance, but hadn’t heard of Andrew Hill or Point of Departure. Just finished listening to it and am blown away. Wow, the chemistry on the album is magical and transcendent. Thanks for introducing me to this one.
So happy to be able to do this
Andrew Hill had a great Influence on Greg Osby and that Wing of M-Base.
Agree about Point of Departure. I think my favourite Dolphy album is Far Cry but it’s all outstanding. Hidden gem - The Max Roach Trio featuring the legendary Hasaan.
I only discovered this album a few months ago. It's one of the most content-packed jazz albums I've heard yet, with some of the knottiest compositions.
If compelled, I recommend checking out his albums "Black Fire" and the somewhat further-out "Smoke Stack" (quartet of piano, drums, and 2 double basses) - both excellent recordings just a year prior to Point of Departure.
I was at Berklee the same time as Aydin (mid 80s) ….. we used to sneak outside his hotel room and listen to him practice…. Pure genius. We used to go to lunch at Poppys on Boylston and chat with guys like Beato, Esen, pellittieri, and Kai eckhart….. I remember when that album was being recorded we were all excited… it was Marcelo’s project. Same time period Metheny lived in Cambridge…. Watched him rehearse with wertico upstairs at Ryles… I’m so glad you included the Aydin Esen album
Wow...it's an incredible album! Can you get me on Rick's channel...pleassssssssssse?
So 2 weeks ago I’m in the UK the Yorkshire dale having a pint with my band mates…. Talking music and a young gentleman hears us discussing music….. he comes up and says “are you musicians?… me too I studied under Andy Edwards” …… I think I spit out my beer…… what???? Did you say??? True story
Andrew Hill made some other great Blue Notes before and after Point of Departure:
Black Fire - w/Joe Henderson, Richard Davis and Roy Haynes
Judgment! - w/Bobby Hutcherson, Richard Davis and Elvin Jones (which I enjoy about as much as Point of Departure)
Andrew!! - w/John Gilmore, Hutcherson, Davis and Joe Chambers
Pax - Joe Henderson, Freddie Hubbard, Davis and Chambers
I got a box set of this period from Mosaic Records and his records are fantastic, I agree!
I love Branford Marsalis as well, beautiful tone and a genius of the last 30-40 years.
I'm listening to the Eddie Gomez Trio recording now, great stuff. The drummer is a revelation.
i think it was originally his solo project
Great video Andy. Nice to see someone covering the whole range of jazz history and styles. Really enjoyed that.
Many albums to hear 👂 for the first time. Thanks.
A fascinating video, Andy. Well done for bringing out some of the less well known jazzers. But Courtney Pine?! I thought you might have mentioned one of the great names from the 1970s golden era of British jazz - Graham Collier, Mike Westbrook, John Surman, John Taylor, Lol Coxhill, Mike Osborne, Keith Tippett, etc, etc. Btw, that Jazz Couriers LP you have is the reissue (MFP, 1966) judging by the cover. The original release (Tempo, 1958) has a different black and white cover and that's the pricey one. Sorry to be anoraky but I'm one of those people who spends far too much time on Discogs.
Andy Shepard.
I learn something new every video. Thanks Andy. Top drawer as always.
Thanks 👍
Nice list, Andy. I agree that there's so many currents of this music that just don't get enough attention.
The drum sound on Hank Garland’s Jazz Winds is just so vibrant..brilliant album..’all the things you are’ is definitive.
Joe Morello always had a great tone.
What a list! Man! Awesome stuff. I love the way you bring that alternative story of jazz through the off-center figures who who just didn't get that spot light as Armstrong, Ellington, Coltrane, Davis and others in this tier 1 list got. Again, as with most of your videos, I am now searching for those gems you show and this will keep me busy for a whole week. This is so great. It's one of the things I love about being a "Melomaniac". You reach a point in your listening experience within a genre where you feel confident enough about the first tier albums that you go on to excursions in tier 2 and 3 and this expands to a huge range of music which is at the rim of the consensus. Great video! Thank you! Point of Departure is an absolute masterpiece for me. The Charlie Christian one and the Eddie Gomez Trio! are the two I'm hunting for now...through the search I ran into "The DeJohnette Complex (1969)" by Jack DeJohnette with Bennie Maupin, Stanley Cowell, Miroslav Vitous, Eddie Gómez, and Roy Haynes. I think this is a deep rabbit hole. See what you've done Andy!? See what yo've done!? You happy now?? Wish me luck....aaaahhhhhh
Sun Ra revered Fletcher Henderson. In concerts he had his Arkestra play not only Henderson's charts, but note-perfect transcriptions of solos Henderson's horn players had recorded.
As well as Jimmie Lunceford charts
I was watching an interview with a band called spinal tap. They said that jazz music is just an accident waiting to happen.
Fantastic video Andy. I certainly learned a lot today. Kudos!
Glad it was helpful!
"Trio Jeepy" is another great Branford trio recording, featuring bass of Milt Hinton on most tracks. Very playful and loose. Traces a lot of phases Jazz history. The version of "Making Whoopy" maybe the best instrumental version of that song ever!
Jelly roll Morton’s Lomax recordings are amazing indeed. I’d throw anything by Hermeto Pasqual in there too.
Esen and Beato went to school together and have been friends for many years. Cannonball Adderley is a beast. I'm a big fan of Keith Jarrett, ECM recording or not.
Big fan of Keith as well and Andy dismissing his ECM catalog is…puzzling.
As always, thanks for taking the time to put this together for us. I really appreciate learning about stuff that . . . well, that I didn't know about! I have a couple of the albums, but the others are new to me. So I'm planning to enjoy checking them out, if I can find them all.
Glad it was helpful!
I just love these sessions of yours, Andy. Love that you just hit that rec button and just let it roll.
Glad you enjoy it!
'Expectations' might well be Keith Jarrett's greatest LP...A top choice Andy!
The Andrew Hill album is some of the most densely layered jazz I’ve ever heard... talk about peeling an onion! It’s almost something different every time I listen to it. If it’s “free jazz” then it’s the most hyper focused free jazz I’ve ever heard.
Funny you should mention the Branford Marsalis album “The Dark Keys”… I just purchased it a couple of months back and it is a fierce album (although the bass is very low in the mix for some reason). Another one of Branford’s trio albums worthy of note here is “The Beautiful Ones Are Not Yet Born.” There is some serious blowing on that album. If Jazz can shred, then it’s on this record!
And I agree with your comment regarding that Keith Jarrett album - his only one on Columbia records. The music on that record sounds so much more free and curious than a lot of other of his albums that I have.
Great video!
Wonderful list can’t wait to check some of those out
Go luck finding the Gomez album...it is tucked away on UA-cam somewhere
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I’m still looking but I did find this fine little ditty. ua-cam.com/video/7J39RM5RJcc/v-deo.html
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Dude !! ua-cam.com/video/LSYY96NirjI/v-deo.html
Thanks for including Lennie!
I don't have much in the way of Branford in my library, but I do have "Dark Keys", great record! And, props for mentioning Last Exit. That stuff is bananas!
All nice choices. The thing is with jazz, 90% of it is subjective so the wider range of artists revealed, is always better than a definitive list. Btw...citing Andrew Hill is exacty why this video is very cool.
Andrew Hill Point of Departure is a surprising pick. Great album. Not quite "free", more avant garde which came just before free jazz but still had it's roots.
Great shout for Modern day jazz stories, any love for Django Bates?
I have just listened to the Last Exit album and, unlike the bit you played from the live album, it wasn't a pile of steaming excrement. In fact, I enjoyed it enough to play the whole album. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I now have something else to annoy my neighbours with.
I am here to help
The Live Albums show the „No Rehearsal Concept“ of Bill Laswell.
Iron Path is much closer to the Decoding Society Recordings of Ronald Shannon Jackson. Shortly after Iron Path Bill Laswell and Shannon broke up.
So informative! Can wait to search the Gomez album. Beato regards Aydin Esen and the best improviser he has ever heard.
they went to college together....
Aydin Esen - Timescape is a mandatory listen.
Point of Departure & Out to Lunch are two of the best albums covers of the era.
What is name of the Courtney Pine album, couldn`t find it based on the cover.
Hi Andy - another really interesting and informative talk here. Quite a few albums I've never heard of (Hank Crawford, Andrew Hill, Eddie Gomez) which I really want to listen to if i can find them. However, I need to say something about the bit at the beginning. As I'm sure you know (although many of your audience may not) the 'bald one' from the You'll Hear It/Open Studio podcast is the celebrated jazz pianist Peter Martin. I thought the reaction piece to your 'all sound the same' talk was poor, particularly as they only responded to the first 5 minutes which was unrepresentative of the argument as a whole. So, I can see why you would be a bit peeved. However, to dismiss a musician who has 'recorded with Victor Goines, Johnny Griffin, Wynton Marsalis, Nicholas Payton, Joshua Redman, Dianne Reeves and Rodney Whitaker ... (and) ... performed (with) Terence Blanchard, Betty Carter, Roy Hargrove, Ellis Marsalis, Christian McBride, David Sanborn and Stanley Turrentine' (Wikipedia) as 'the bald one' who put together an 'elitist' list of albums just to look hip is a bit strong. I think musicians should try to support and respect each other and, although you may feel he didn't support or respect you, maybe you could nave been the bigger person?
I really like his piano playing, he is a great musician. Love what he did with Joshua Redman. But he is bald...
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer So am I 😂
"The bald one" 😆
". . . I was listening to some early recordings of the 'Train' music from Act 1, Scene 1 [from 'Einstein on the Beach']. Suddenly I was hearing something that I had failed to notice for almost forty years. A part of the music was almost screaming to be recognized. I began looking around in my record library and I came upon the music of Lennie Tristano. I knew this music very well. It was from my early listening years with Jerry. At that moment, in fact, I recalled that when I arrived in New York, I had somehow gotten Tristano's phone number and called him up. I was in a phone booth on the Upper West Side near Juilliard, and to my total surprise he, Tristano himself, answered the phone.
'Mr. Tristano, my name is Philip Glass,' I managed to say. 'I'm a young composer. I've come to New York to study, and I know your work. Is there any chance I can study with you?'
'Do you play jazz?'
'No, I don't.'
'Do you play the piano?'
'A little. I came here, really, to study at Juilliard, but I love your music and I wanted to be in touch with you.'
'Well,' he said, 'thank you for the call, but I don't know that there's anything I can do for you.'
He was very kind, almost gentle. He wished me luck.
Now fifty years later, listening to Tristano's music again, I found what I was looking for. Two tracks: the first, 'Line Up' and the second 'East Thirty-Second Street.' I listened to them and there it was. No, the notes weren't the same. Most listeners would probably not have heard what I did. But the energy, the FEEL, and, I would say, the INTENTION of the music was completely and accurately captured in the 'Train.' It doesn't sound like him, but it shares the idea of propulsion, the self-confidence, and the drive. There's an athleticism to it, a nonchalance, an 'I don't care if you listen to it or not - here it is.'
These were Tristano's one-hand improvisations and were, for me, his most impressive achievements. He would record, slowly, a steady flow of sixteenth notes, then afterward speed up the tapes. That gave the music a tremendous buoyancy and an electric energy that was completely unique. Once you hear these driving piano lines, you know who is playing. I don't know that Tristano ever became very well-known. He was well-known to me because I found his records and I admired him. I never heard him play live - I don't think many people did. He might have been known as a teacher among some jazz players, and he certainly was a teacher to me. He died in 1978, but he remains an icon in the jazz world, though still largely unknown. However, he was without a doubt a master."
Philip Glass, "Words Without Music," p. 40
I see Miroslav Vitous-Universal Syncopations on your shelf. Great group on that.
Not a great album though...
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer It's not horrible, but should be amazing on the cast alone. Miroslav's albums are all over the place too. I hope Magical Shepherd gets a mention in the future. I bought that thinking it was a prog album.
Since you mentioned John Klemmer (and since he seems to be largely forgotten) I will toss in a recommedation for his album "Nexus". It is a duo/trio album with Bob Magnusson (again) on bass and Carl Burnett on drums. Most of the tracks are long so Klemmer really stretches out. Very very good.
that was the album I recomended
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Oops. I didn't catch the title when you mentioned it, but I was going by the cover and on my version the cover is not the same as yours.
@@dmytryk7887 My physical copy is not the same either. It's a psychedleic depiction of a saxophonist
Sun Ra played and arranged for Fletcher Henderson in the 40's
Very true. He Replaced Benny Carter.
Love Point of Departure.
The music and cover could have been from a decade forward.
the bald one from open studio really rustles my jimmies
The Hank Garland album, sounds like the MJQ
What about the midi files of james scott
Interesting and informative Video Andy.
But but where is Saxophone Colossus ??
I like The Bridge more
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer it’s great too.
Are you ever going to listen to my tune and comment?
I am curious as to what your problem is with my comments…. They are always respectful….. Is it you hate the music I make ?
I have listened to Tuna over Apex and told many people to check it out.
You can’t take ten minutes to hear my 2 tunes then fine …. Just say so….
I don’t care
Bass over apex …. Is excellent
Fletcher Henderson is were Sun Ra started his Journey into Jazz.
Yes...his contribution was far reaching
Sun Ra loved Fletcher Henderson and as I am sure you know turned it into something from a different place. I don’t often meet people who know Sun Ra….
Are you a musician ?
@@johannhauffman323 No, but I he lectured me twice for a about an hour or two. Once in Willisau at the Jazzfestival. Once at the Moonwalker in Aarburg. His last full Concert happend to be in Aarburg Switzerland as well. He was already tired and was moved to the Piano with a Wheelchair.
Sun Ra played quite often in Switzerland. His Southern Accent was not that easy to follow, but if you gave Sign that you did not understand a Sentence he would clarify what he meant. Some Concert where quite Fletcher-Like, others where rather „Cosmic“ and Dissonant. And some went from one Pole to the other several Times in a Concert.
@@erikheddergott5514 Sehr interessant. Thanks for reply.
What wonderful experiences and memories that must have been.
I have heard so many musicians absolutely loved their experiences playing in der Schweiz.
Though I am at the moment living in Berlin, I grew up in the Washington D.C. area. Sun Ra played frequently in our clubs…. Some nights the music was a bit more of a challenge, but as you said so well, it could move from one pole to another. One special unexpected night I went to a club called D.C. Space. ( although Sun Ra played there quite often back then he was not on the bill that night)
We went to hear a local band that my friend knew…. We had no idea until we were there. And see…
Sun Ra sitting in on keyboards. What a wonderful night !
So Erik,
I have a question for you.
If it’s possible that you have a spare 10 minutes this weekend.
Could you ?
Critique two of my tunes ?
You are obviously so knowledgeable about music I would love to borrow your ears for a moment if it is not asking too much.
I have one longer tune that I was just starting to formulate…. My wife heard it and said … “leave it be…. “ and I let.
One short tune that’s 3 minutes. It was mostly written out.
So what I wish to know through your ears is :
1: is the long turn nice or boring and repetitive.
2: is the short tune a hard listen or melodic and musical ?
Thanks Erik
Peace
Iron Path is the Record Ronald Shannon Jackson loved the most.
It's monumental. a forgotten classic
Whats the name of that Courtney Pine cd please, anyone?
Modern Day Jazz Stories
@@phdfromclowncollege982 Thats this one then? ua-cam.com/video/MUHq4Z9GK2A/v-deo.html&ab_channel=CourtneyPine-Topic
Just not as much hip hop on it as I was expecting.
Andy you have been hit or miss with me. i dont agree with achunk of it. but including laswell puts you solid in the alright box. rock on!
As long as you find it entertaining
Andy...right? - has an ism...right? - for every human mood and idea...right? - ever invented. I was checking out another Brit's vinyl channel yesterday - 10 most listened to records. I had or owned three of them, the rest I had zero knowledge of. I'm not saying that jazzbos reject pop music bathwater and all...Coltrane was Coltrane because he listened to birds and he listened to the ocean and he listened to the turbines on a 707. No elitism allowed on the 'Trane. Timing, right? Elitism.
nice ranking but take more risc
Your competitor put Roberta Flack on the 1st place.
Put your English heart in the right place and mix Azimuth with Norma Winstone into the alternative top 10
What about Chubby Tubs Maclure
made up name
What about the 13 Best Jazz Albums for let‘s say for July 30? (My Birthday).
Or 13 Prog Albums for People who are not really into Prog.
The last one is not half bad
The drawback to the piano rolls is that those rolls don't capture touch at all - there were piano rolls that could do that to an extent, but they were only used for classical as far as I know.
Louis Armstrong was in the Fletcher Henderson band for a period and there are recordings of the band with him. i would recommend the album Fletcher Henderson - A Study In Frustration despite the downer title
No Ellington? Criminal!
Yes, I'm aware of the limitations of piano rolls, but in terms of Jelly Roll, you can hear in the those recordings the idea of what those early musians sounded like. Check out my main ten greatest Jazz albums video. Ellington is covered there
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer IIRC you chose Ellington At Newport which is problematic for me. With Armstrong you've chosen a number of compilations of 78s - Duke needs the same treatment. His best stuff is on 78s and there are a ton of masterpieces there
@@TheloniousCube i have the Keb Burns compilation which is brilliant. I chose the Newport album because there is a good story attached to that album. I am a UA-camr....yjese videos are for entertainment purposes.
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as "angry jazz guy" - i just feel that most people skip over Duke's 78-era stuff in favor of the later LPs and (as with Louis Armstrong) this means missing his best and most innovative work. Duke really leaned into the "every player has their own voice" thing in a big way and that's so important to American popular music of all stripes
Lenny Tristano did not invent Free Jazz with this very short Atonal Tunes. Again, if one wants to go this Route, then one should listen to Earl Fatha Hines „Child of a Disordered Brain“ from 1939 played on an Electric Piano.
Free Jazz was invented by the Ornette Coleman Bunch in the West Coast and by the Cecil Taylor Posse in the East Coast.
The Lenny Tristano Tunes do not sound improvised.
They are as interesting as the Earl Hines Tune. Not more, not less.
One can argue that Free Jazz started with the „chaotic“ Endings of many R‘n‘B Tunes in the 40ties and 50ties.
Those tunes are completely improvised without preparation. Also Joe Harriott was doing something similar to Ornette over in the UK at the same time
ua-cam.com/video/NlrfIA8ADJ8/v-deo.html
the prove is in the music
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Joe Harriot‘s two Records which are Free and which are great, came out slightly later. Only slightly later but later. How much preparation went into the two Tristano Records are up to debate. The Stuff Paul Bley did in his Trio a couple of Years after the Hillcrest Club Date and Record he did with the Ornette Coleman Quartet is a Cool Reaction on Free Jazz.
Joe Harriot is one of the most underrated Guys I know. Sadly, some who like his Indo-Jazz Fusion Stuff do not like his Free Stuff and vice versa.
I will never dig why an Artist is seen as inconsistent, when he is not restricted to one Style.
I know a lot of Criticsim regarding Freddie Hubbard and his playing on important Free Jazz Records. Many Scribes want to hear, that he kind of struggles with playing Free. I am not a Musician, but when I see his Contributions to Free Jazz from 1960 to 1965 i think the Musicians who wanted him for their Free Stuff knew what they wanted. I also read Stuff by People who were against Free Jazz blaming Freddie Hubbard for being „Unsure“. It does not mean that I like everything he did, and I do not know whether I liked everything Joe Harriot did, but then I care much more for the great Stuff Artists do then their „Everyday“ Stuff.
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I'm with you on this one, Andy. Lennie Tristano's 'Intuition' and 'Digression' were the earliest freely improvised recordings. Anyway, Ornette and Cecil certainly did not invent free jazz. And Joe Harriott was exploring free jazz independently of and at the same time as Ornette. Actually I would have gone for Joe rather than Tubby. Joe's LPs were very well received in America.
Yawn, what a banal list. Julie London is superior.
You're trying to clout chase open studio and can't even say Peter Martin's name? Ponce