I'll be honest. I'm kind of upset at ANTM, because I think it groomed a lot of young girls to "do whatever it takes," to be a model, including things they are uncomfortable with. This show, instead of giving models a voice, kind of took it away even more. Models used to have more influence in the 80s and 90s. Now they're just seen as hangers.
Dude I'm not even a model but it groomed me to believe I had to do things I would be uncomfortable with as an adult just in general. Made me nervous as hell to grow up.
Tyra seemed to be very jealous of some girls. She would give really contradictory advice and critiques to girls, and then berate them for Taking the advice. She wod tell girls to show their personalities, but then not like that, like this. Be real, but like I tell you. The teaches they gave the girls rarely helped with anything in the shoots, tyra was just a megalomaniac who used her power to set up girls to fail. And I agree with the comment here 100% that this abuse by tyra took power away from women by showing them how to deal with the abuse. Disgusting. That we watched some of these story lines like cassys bulimia on TV for entertainment, and tyra didn't do enough to change things. She could have, but she took her $ and ran with it.
this is so true... they treat the girls so badly, they insult them to shreds, they take away every bit of their autonomy, and when the girls rightfully speak up against that, the judges kick them off or tear them to pieces. honestly I've never believed that "that's what it takes" to such a degree (other UA-camrs have pointed out that Tyra herself never poses nude, for example, despite requiring competitors to do nude shoots every so often...) but I also believe that if that IS what it takes, it's absolutely inhumane and models should NOT be expected put up with it.
Very true. I feel like this is show set up all these girls up for failure. Their dreams were shattered the moment they started this show. A handful of these women could have actually been models, but the show gave them a poor representation of the modeling industry. This show ruined their perception completely and I feel like Tyra Banks owes them all an apology.
They were literally gaslighting the model they told to be a diva. “Act like a diva” She acts like a diva “We’re really disappointed in you for being such a diva”
@@theresee-borg7023 although totally hear what the model said about being late as a joke and playing up to the role and being met with sterness. It wasn't an appropriate time to joke but they should have also recognised the problems with having a massage take place directly prior to shooting
I agree Tyra did and has crossed the lines way to many times in this show....but this was made during where it was some what okay, and no one really said anything about it. But still the things that she did was uncalled for.
@@annak3059 the producers set her up. They knew when she needed to be on set and purposefully waited until the last second to get the massage. I do not blame her at all in this situation. It was what the show meant to do to her and even if she said her this is too close to the shoot they would convince her it wasn't. Because that is what the producers jobs are.
Rewatching this makes me realize Mr Jay is not as innocent as he pretends to be recently on podcasts. He was part of production. The show concepts are so disturbing.
100% Agreed. For all the crap that Tyra's getting, Jay deserved at least half of that. His treatment towards girls like Kelle cycle 3 and Furonda cycle 6 were horrendous.
@@peterlim5144 He literally called a girl with vitiligo "Panda" and got defensive when she asked him not to. He's garbage. Edit: Other person is correct that wasn't Jay it was Yu Tsai. Jay's still garbage just that one wasn't him XD Apologies!
I’m confused why Tyra told one girl that having her hair in a ponytail made her not look like a model, but then told another that having her hair DOWN made her not look like a model. What??? They 100% go after the girls’ appearance with no real reason.
I love Azizi's responses like, "I mean, I've never dealt with live feedback like that, cause I work for real professionals that actually know how to direct, but..."
I can't believe that she pulled their clothes up and basically said you have to show skin/be sexualized to be a model, she was trying to break all this stereotypes but she reinforced them. It was really disgusting and it was breach of their personal space and boundaries.
The whole 'You have to dress well at all times a model' thing is so dumb imo. 99.9% of photo shoots will either have outfits ready for you when you get there or will tell you what to wear beforehand. They just want every girl to be the exact same and not express themselves or stand out in anyway and it's messed up
FR!! The girl with white top who was forced to turn her top into a crop top looked so uncomfortable, like, they're not modeling right then, just let them wear what they want!! When they're modeling, sure, you can be more directing, but imagine if that happen in any other competition, like, if in masterchef during thd judging Gordon Ramsey just walked up to you and started putting your hair in a pony tail, forcing you to wear chef hat and apron or something, you just don't do that to people!!
What boundaries? This show was all about abuse and not respecting people's boundaries!! Claiming they wanted models to be respected and stand up for themselves, yet always eliminating girls who did exactly that!! They were way worse than the behaviour they claimed to be against, they exploited and abused them MORE than actually happens in the real bussiness..
@@AxiomPenguin I thought the same thing. She's at an impasse here that makes her feel powerless. It's really sad too, because you can absolutely see how much she wants it and how innocent her intentions were
Jessica was right on the money saying they gave her the massage with make up on on purpose. No one in history has ever thought doing a massage in full make up is a good idea.
Right?? It’s like in school when you’re late to class and you’re teacher asks why, so you tell them. If you have a bad reason they’ll refute it but if you have a good reason they’re all “you’re just making excuses” but it’s never “oh okay that’s understandable”
As someone who has been through an eating disorder the idea of romanticising it for a shoot it disgusting. It’s a serious problem that effects not only the person dealing with the eating disorder but their families watching someone waste away. Honestly so upsetting to see it like that.
@@adrianaf1194 girl if something triggers you don't watch it 🖤 its ok to avoid certain topics while you recover. We all believe in you & I am sending all my positive vibes your way 🖤🖤🖤🖤
I know! I even heard her say I’m so sorry during the beginning shoot! She wasn’t argumentative at all and even IF she was acting like a Diva they literally told her too
Tyra never got over the fact she was never at the same level of Naomi Campbell, Linda Evangelista and Kate Moss so she tried to make fun of them and shade them in here. Tyra we see you
And who could forget the poor girl from the "I was rooting for you" scene. She deserves so much better. Or the time when another contestant confessed (for the first time ever) that she'd been s*xually abused to one of the presenters, had a panic attack about being claustrophobic due to a shoot in a literal grave, and they still made her do it. The racism and abuse these girls received makes me feel ill tbh
@RBCorsiva Yeah, Caridee. They then blamed her for not letting them know sooner that she was going into hypothermia, while I'm sure if she had they would have been saying "You have to push through that if you want to be a real model!"
@@beth4928 i think the Worst one ever was the one where a girl said she didn’t feel comfortable around men since she was sexually abused and they had her making out with a guy
I can't with this... this is SO WRONG. We're basically talking about sexual abuse (9:22), mental health issues and more. And they caricatured these situations, like what the hell, these are real problems.
A lot of aspiring and current models do suffer with the exacting standards and pressures to be a certain weight, and for some, this is reflected in eating disorders. However, the fact that anorexia and bulimia are shown as model 'stereotypes' in a fashion shoot delegitimises the institutional issues that contribute to these mental illnesses. The styling and creative direction glamourise and editorialise the process of suffering with mental illness. It's just exploitative and tacky.
Isn't that true of all those stereotypes? The casting couch legitimizes misogyny, the others normalize bratty entitled behavior. None of that challenges those ingrained issues, they just wanted to be "controversial".
@@ju-shi-san yeah I think the difference is anorexia & bulimia will literally kill you, & if doesnt kill you you're usually left weak & unable to care for yourself. All those other things are bad yes but its really nothing compared to suffering those EDs cause, not only for the sufferer but for their family & friends. Medical issues that kill you are a bit different from being a brat or dealing with misogyny. Like I said those are definitely still major issues, just DIFFERENT issues with different solutions from EDs. Its not just "ew im fat", its starving yourself to the point of being on deaths door or starving to actual death.
the other thing is that eating disorders are super easy to trigger, so this could directly harm both the models and the viewers if they've ever struggled with that-- especially the measuring of the waist.
It’s just disgusting... to think I used to watch this show when I was a 12/13 ... and all the young impressionable girls who watched this .. they should be ashamed
As I get older, I realize how problematic this show was. They really played with the girls' psychology. Made them confused, scared , and everything. Omg.
I always found Tyra so off putting and I’m so glad people are pointing these suuuper problematic themes and behaviors now, even if it is like 15 years later.
I completely agree. I remember watching this show and constantly questioning her actions and motives. It's reassuring to now realize it wasn't just me that thought that way. . My major issue was how she constantly contradicted herself as well as the weird overbearing presence of her image on the show. Photos of her face were hung everywhere. It almost looked like she was some leader of a totalitarian state where her subjects had to worship her presence. It was bizarre.
When Tyra does her “skits”, I always want to crawl under a rock and die. Imagine actually being there! I think having the contestants endure this up close and in person is the biggest example of abuse on the show.
@@PHSDM104 But Freedom 90 was used in that iconic Versace walk where the Supermodels were launched. Tryra wasn't one of the big four on the fall 1992 collection so She's bitter, besides what collections was too funky used on?
Regarding how Melrose was essentially "punished" for winning the mini challenge, that was something I noticed consistently with this show, esp the shoots where contestants would receive more frames as a prize and the last place model would receive the least. Everytime I remember (and I watched the first 10 or so seasons) the model with the lowest amount of photos would be praised for how she could do so much with so few and up near the top or w top photo that week and the model w the most almost always ended up going home or being near the bottom. I think its really unfair that they weren't judged blindly on photos alone in general.
They did that a lot. They also never had any consistency with their judging criteria. The judges were a bunch of hypocrites sitting up on their pedestals, nothing more.
I hate it when they say "the attitude" after they pressure the girls and then ASK. Like, you don't want the facts, don't ask. I had a boss like that, what a nightmare. He'd create an environment where I had challenges progressing then get me in trouble. I lasted longer than he did though.
As an anorexic whos body image issues started in my childhood, thinking about the amount of impressionable girls watched this it's worrying and saddening
God sees you as beautiful and His beloved creation. You can be whole and happy and not be guilty about eating - The Lord loves you so much and He will give you strength if you ask Him for help. He loves you. You are beautiful. Let Him help you - just saying my piece ❤️
Yes! And it could also make people not want to reach out for help if they are suffering from these disorders because it seems like they didn’t cafe about the severity of the disorders, they were only using it for the idea of it.
I think production just figured that this would be the conflict of this episode and tried to give her this storyline of "she thinks she so good" so tyra and the judges would always have something to say about her. I feel bad that Melrose didnt know what was happening and because of it the producers were able to milk her scenes and edit her to really make people believe this..
When i was younger this is what i thought modeling was like. But actually have a model reacting with Jessica to give insight really does show you how outdated it is and awful this show really treated these girls and modeling isnt like that anymore. And i really use to look up to this show too 😭
I really appreciate it as well. Its STILL not discussed enough, to the point where we don't even know if its still happening. I know measures have been taken more recently but I had no idea how much & what they were. Its nice to see that they're treating models better. Im glad this all seems so outrageous to her model friend because that means she's being treated with the respect she & all other models deserve.
This kinda tells me though how thankful we should be that the TV is dying out and internet culture becomes a thing because people have grown more sceptical of the information they are being fed. This feels like a healthy conversation we should be having instead of just watching this trash. I remember there was a show in germany called germany's next topmodel, ans Heidi Klum is the host, and in one episode she wanted her girls to walk in high heels on a treadmill and see who does it the longest. I just remember that one girl did that for a few minutes and then got up abd said that is retarded it just damages her feet and left. Heidi was super pissed at that, but the girl was right, what does that have to do with modelling? All of the other girls had blood blisters on their feet the day after. Why do we give these old women this much credit? I get it, Tyra and Heidi are VS angels, but this show is ridiculous and looks like a humblebrag on TV for their success...
@@corneliahanimann2173 one thing i gotta say is I wish someone around working in the 2000s was reacting to this so we could see how it was back then when antm was airing comparison to early 2000s business/modelling.
Having no choice and forcing be like "I'm allergic to this food" "But you have to eat it" "I know but can you choose something else?" "But you have to eat it" "This could land me to an hospital so I can't" "But you have to eat it"
Model eats it and ends up in ER "Ugh! You have to know your body & limits! Why didn't you stand up for yourself?!?! .........now rip out those IV's and trek 5 miles thru the the jungle in 10 inch stilettos! Real models do this all the time plus they carry the photographer on their back so the equipment doest get wet!"
Reminds me of how when she was screaming at Tiffany and said she has never yelled at girl like that before! I was like "are you sure? Because you're pretty good at it!!" I hate how I thought she was so amazing and the fact that I wanted to be on the show so bad. So glad I wasn't able to get off work that day they were close to me. 😂
I grew up watching top model and all I ever learned was "you do what you need to make money. You'll never have work if you're uncomfortable doing a shoot"
You know there's a big difference in the models from the beginning of the show to the end of the show. In the beginning of the show they all have a great personality and they're fun and outgoing and by the end of the show they're broken down and sad and quiet and docile.
the accent isnt french i am french and honey i can tell you that nobody talks like that but with this super extrem performance tyra was giving me a telenovela realness
I really feel you touched a very controversial point of ANTM when you asked "what if they felt uncomfortable doing a shoot like that" watching AJ doing her photoshoot. I remember how I felt watching cycle 15 when Kayla had to do her commercial with the male model RIGHT AFTER CONFESSING TO JAY THAT SHE WAS ASSAULTED and she was phisically uncomfortable around man. And he said "oh im sorry, go to a therapist" and then made her do it anyways. That was SO wrong and all the "you have to do all it takes to be a model even if it hurts you" narrative they pushed was so so so wrong.
I HAD A CHANCE TO BE A MODEL,WHEN I WAS 16. I WAS SUPPOSED TO MODEL TWEENY CLOTHES ,DUE TO MY HEIGHT AND WEIGHT! LATER ON, I LEARNED THAT AD'S FOR MODEL'S (1980'S) THAT THERE WAS A RISK OF ABUSE AND BEING WITH AN ABUSIVE HUSBAND THAT I KNEW THAT WASN'T THE ANSWER AND SELLING AVON PROVED TO BE DANGEROUS ,AS ROUTE GIVEN MEANT THAT I WAS AT RISK FROM A COUPLE OF MALE CUSTOMER'S. ONE FRIGHTENED ME SO BAD TRYING TO GET ME, INTO HIS FLAT THAT I TOLD HIM TO RING THE ORDER THROUGH AND I WOULD COLLECT THE MONEY ON DELIVERY! HAD I NOT BEEN ON MY OWN , FAIR ENOUGH! I USE TO LOOK AT THE AVON MODEL'S WONDERING HOW MUCH AND SUFFERING THEY WENT THROUGH FOR THEIR ART!
I FOUND JAY AND TYRA TO BE THE MOST ABUSIVE ON THE SHOW ! MY HUSBAND AND I WOULD CHEER ON THE UNDERDOG ON THE PROGRAMME! I'M GLAD THAT THE ABUSE THE WOMEN SUFFERED ON ANTM WAS RIDICULOUS! WE WERE GLAD OFONE THING THAT IT HIGHLIGHTED THE ABUSE'S OF WOMEN IN THE INDUSTRY AND GOT JAY AND TYRA NOTICED FOR THEIR ABUSE! I HOPE THEY GOT ARRESTED FOR THEIR ABUSE!
I know she put an accent on it but her "character" was a dig on Janice Dickenson for suuuure. The meltdowns and "I am the only supermodel in the world". Obviously over dramatized but anyone else catch that?
The Americas Next Top Model scenes made me cringe so hard and I actually got mad. Also, mental illnesses shouldn't be stereotypes. I love how you two stayed so calm and constructive. Good video!
I have no idea, but maybe it's like the opposite of white girls wearing braids and more traditional hairstyles? I know people are upset about that, saying they shouldn't do that. I feel like they kinda went this way
I think it means taking away the beautiful “black features” and pushing European featured black girls. That’s what I’ve heard a lot. Only narrow noses and and relaxed hair ect
At the time, I remember thinking this was a jab at Naomi Campbell, too. I believe she was blond for a little while (which, it goes without saying, doesn't mean she was "trying to be white" but Tyra's petty AF).
I remember watching this cycle when it was on tv and my younger self hating Melrose and all the other girls hating her too but watching it back now I can totally see that they made her out to be the villain from the start! Portraying her as a diva when it wasn’t even her fault she was late! Ugh just makes me angry rewatching it
I love how Tyra told Anchal to take her hair out of her ponytail but then told Melrose and Jaeda to put their hair in a ponytail. Like WHAT?!?! Which is the right way?
the drug/alcohol abuse, bulimia and anorexia concepts don’t sit right with me. especially since they most likely did not put any sort of trigger warning before the episode. edit: since a few people are taking this the wrong way, i just wanted to say that ik this is how society was 10 or so years ago, but i’m glad people have become more cautious when it comes to topics like these.
@@iescapedALR yeah true. i never watched it cause it never was too interesting to me but even though it was a show before the time of trigger warnings being commonly used, i still think it’s so weird to think about how these things were viewed as okay, and that they were simply “edgy”
The 'piggy' comment got to me because I have a very similar turned-up nose and one time in college (high school for Americans) lab class the girl I was paired with told me she hated her nose. I told her her nose was nice and that I didn't like my nose either, which I was only really saying to make her feel better. She replied: "hmm you do have a bit of a pig's nose". It's been 12 years and I still think about it all the time! Nothing worse than someone making you insecure about something you didn't used to care about.
I used to watch ANTM religiously and I always had a problem with the judging panel because they were so rude all the time. Like to be a young plus size girl hearing that these "model" body type women are trying their hardest to be perfect and theyre are being constantly criticized really resonated negatively in my teenage girl mind. Im glad you 2 are speaking up about it.
I think the problem with shoots like this is the lack of tact on the show's part. This shoot really could have opened up a lot of interesting discussions about the darker side of the fashion industry. But, the show decided to keep the focus on looking good, so the dark themes ended up coming across as glamorous.
Azizi is so sweet. The stereotypes involving eating disorders felt awful, especially since I've dealt with anorexia myself and people didn't know until I collapsed. I'm glad you mentioned that some of the models might suffer from EDs as well, in secret. It's very "2000s Zeitgeist", though, back then having an ED was seen as a sign of vanity and obsession with weight loss rather than a serious sign of trauma and a need for control when everything else feels like you're not in the driver seat of your own life.
They should not have glamorized eating disorders in any way. I personally study mental eating habits and therapy because I’m an aspiring dietician. This is a serious issue and it is just as deadly as obesity. Lack of nutrients and not eating creates a terrible relationship with food and I know many people who struggled for years to get out of that stage. A lot of it comes from lack of self confidence and depression. Bulimia and anorexia are not just stereotypes, they are serious health problems. That photo shoot concept is disgusting. Oh but good video btw. I love y’all’s reactions.
It's way, way, way, way more dangerous than obesity. Obesity kills slowly. Anorexia and bulimia actually eat away at the people's muscles, including their hearts. That's not a slow death.
I know someone who was a model for a year and the things she told me that happened are crazy. And 99% of them were about the client's & agents etc. People telling them they're too fat, too skinny, too tall, too short etc . All day every day. Then when they're told they're "perfect" they have to change/dye their hair, only to have to change it again the following day... definitely would cause serious identity disorders. As far as eating disorders, my friend said most of the models had one kind or another. She told me it was around 80% of them. And almost all of them were addicted to diet pills. It was more of a mental addiction. They'd take several with each 'meal' and barely eat anything. I think that's something that isn't talked about as much. Luckily my friend got out and is now a producer for HGTV. She loves it :)
@Cara Akin I agree. I appreciate the way they responded to those clips. Good luck with your recovery. I believe in you and I am so happy you were able to find a healthy working environment where you feel safe and I’m assuming more confident. Thank you for sharing and God bless. 💖✨
@@Starbits7 Wow that is so sad. I think the most important thing is for people to have a good relationship with food. Knowing balance and order. The human body needs food to survive but too much or too little of the wrong thing will just be counter productive. More awareness on this subject definitely needs to be shared. I’m really amazed by your friend and it is so nice to hear that they are healthy and happy. That is such a major success and definitely a life changing moment. ✨✨✨
@@Acidfunkish For sure. Romanticizing or glorifying either one of those is very disheartening especially for anyone who had to experience or is experiencing such trauma.
The Diva for a Day was actually a prize win. Melrose had won a runway challenge prior to the photoshoot, and part of her prize win consisted of a personal assistant, full body massage, etc.......
Why did he want the bed model to act horrified? Like shouldn’t be she stretching or like giving whoever woke her up the stink eye? Like what was he going for
The casting couch model definitely has a different ring now that I'm almost 30 vs when I saw this at 14. Glamorising eating disorders and addiction is just something else tho, there's raising awareness and then there's this. And I remember the twins' photos being some of my favourites/most memorable but in reality I think it was the shock factor.
Melrose was amazing this whole season, they played her into being the enemy of the house and that "she was better than everyone else" when you can see she wanted the judges approval and the be friends with the girls. I think the final 3 of this season were amazing and was honestly a 3 way tie because each had their own unique strengths.
I felt so bad for her, bc I would be the same way if this was my dream I never think I did well enough, or dressed good enough. She was just worried about her styling being right for her first photo shoot of the competition so she wouldn't be the first one eliminated Like, I'm just watching the judging panel for this episode, and Tyra's saying she was saying things she never said. She didn't speak one word in her defense at the panel, she just apologized for being late and said it won't happen again. I've been convinced since the cycle 4 makeovers that Jay lies to Tyra about what the girls actually say. Though, Ms. J was kind of giving Tyra the side eye after her rant about her like "What are you talking about? This is the girl we're going to hate? Alright then. Give a queen a warning."
The judging always annoys me so much, they’re there to talk about the PICTURE and the models’ performance ON THE DAY, but they just feel the need to criticise whatever the model is doing then, like “I know this is meant to be about the photo but let me just strip you real quick because I know you won’t say anything because I’m the one in the position of power”
The fact that they are making light of EXTREMELY serious situations (rape, sexual assault, anorexia, bulimia, racism etc.) is what gets to me here. Sure, these can be "stereotypes" but they are treating it as if it's all a big joke. It's incredibly disturbing.
I had to skip over the bulimic and anorexic ones. It’s disgusting to minimize and glamorize in this way. If they were portraying mental health issues in an artistic way, that could be a beautiful representation of what some people go through. This was not that. It was a mockery of serious mental illnesses that so many struggle with and it’s a slap in the face when we’ve seen on this very show judges telling stick thin models that they need to watch what they eat.
Omg thank you! I always felt so bad for Melrose in this episode when she clearly was not being sassy but just playing up the character they assigned her! They dragged her just for content and it's so messed up. Like let the girls make their own drama but the judges mistreating them for fun is wrong.
I'd love to see you react to the "Circus" shoot where they had the girls portray what they called "Circus Freaks" but some were actual disabilities. Conjoined twins, gigantism, (I think) dwarfism, bearded lady etc. Also really focussing on Melrose looking old giving her the "old face, young body".
At 12:03 you can see Raja who was a contestant on Ru Paul’s Drag Race season 3, back when they were a makeup artist on top model - obviously now they’re an incredible drag queen :)
The bulimia one really looked real and I think used in a campaign against bulimia would be a great place for that picture as it gives you that uncomfortable feeling.
I’ve struggled with bulimia for like 3 years that’s so awful. Forcing someone to recreate that scene could literally make her become bulimic. We’re all introduced to it somehow.
Honestly everything about ANTM is SO controversial and weird now💀 I used to love watching that show and now that I watch again i’m always so shocked by the things we could get away with in the 2000s😩😂
I have had the unfortunate experience of working with negative photographers and it really is hard to get through. All the negative feedback makes you insecure and confused and it reads in the photos, only proving "you suck".
Stereotype is one thing, actual eating disorders and addiction are another thing. The rest just made me cringe - these three made me actually angry because this is not just some stereotype, those are problems that can end in actual death.
Ok, but why does it literally even matter how the girls dress/style themselves at the judge's panel?? As models, they're going to be styled by other people throughout their entire careers. They honestly could've turned up in their pajamas with no hair or makeup done and it shouldn't have mattered because all that should have mattered was their shots. So, why was her criticizing their fashion choices even a thing?
I actually remember seeing this episode at 15, in the midst of an eating disorder, and watching it again and again cause they made my pain look cool and beautiful. It spurred my eating disorder on. It is actively damaging to portray eating disorders like this, especially when you know your show has a large female audience of girls whose biggest dream is to become a model or be a part of the show.
@@Xamerax agreed! I never was on any of those forums when I was actively fighting my ED (thank goodness) but I heard about them and if those photos were on there... oh my gosh that makes it worse...
I remember watching this episode as a preteen, I remember how weirded out I was when Tyra changed the girls clothes and how uncomfortable I was about stereotypes being portrayed as “beautiful”
I grew up watching this but looking back on this as an adult I'm like what even was this show!? So negative and they set the models up to fail/feel bad. Really shed's a new light on the show.
This is one of the few shoots i actually remember from when i watched this as a kid- well I only really remembered the Bulimiac photo, not quite sure why
Oh my God, I've been waiting for you to react to this photoshoot for a looong time! When I started watching Jessica's ANTM reactions, I immediately remembered about this episode and realized that they deliberately put Melrose in this situation. First they gave her a really lame prize for winning the challenge, and then they arranged it so that they could scold her for acting like a diva (what?). Poor Melrose (also one of my personal favourite winners ever, she was robbed, you can't change my mind)
I'll be honest. I'm kind of upset at ANTM, because I think it groomed a lot of young girls to "do whatever it takes," to be a model, including things they are uncomfortable with. This show, instead of giving models a voice, kind of took it away even more. Models used to have more influence in the 80s and 90s. Now they're just seen as hangers.
Dude I'm not even a model but it groomed me to believe I had to do things I would be uncomfortable with as an adult just in general. Made me nervous as hell to grow up.
Tyra seemed to be very jealous of some girls. She would give really contradictory advice and critiques to girls, and then berate them for Taking the advice. She wod tell girls to show their personalities, but then not like that, like this. Be real, but like I tell you. The teaches they gave the girls rarely helped with anything in the shoots, tyra was just a megalomaniac who used her power to set up girls to fail. And I agree with the comment here 100% that this abuse by tyra took power away from women by showing them how to deal with the abuse. Disgusting. That we watched some of these story lines like cassys bulimia on TV for entertainment, and tyra didn't do enough to change things. She could have, but she took her $ and ran with it.
this is so true... they treat the girls so badly, they insult them to shreds, they take away every bit of their autonomy, and when the girls rightfully speak up against that, the judges kick them off or tear them to pieces. honestly I've never believed that "that's what it takes" to such a degree (other UA-camrs have pointed out that Tyra herself never poses nude, for example, despite requiring competitors to do nude shoots every so often...) but I also believe that if that IS what it takes, it's absolutely inhumane and models should NOT be expected put up with it.
I think models now have more influence because social media gives them a platform that they can use to show their human side
Very true. I feel like this is show set up all these girls up for failure. Their dreams were shattered the moment they started this show. A handful of these women could have actually been models, but the show gave them a poor representation of the modeling industry. This show ruined their perception completely and I feel like Tyra Banks owes them all an apology.
They were literally gaslighting the model they told to be a diva.
“Act like a diva”
She acts like a diva
“We’re really disappointed in you for being such a diva”
When they told her that at the judging panel you could tell by her face when she realized they set her up and it backfired. So sad.
Act like it on the shoot does not mean acting like it before though
@@theresee-borg7023 although totally hear what the model said about being late as a joke and playing up to the role and being met with sterness. It wasn't an appropriate time to joke but they should have also recognised the problems with having a massage take place directly prior to shooting
I agree Tyra did and has crossed the lines way to many times in this show....but this was made during where it was some what okay, and no one really said anything about it. But still the things that she did was uncalled for.
@@annak3059 the producers set her up. They knew when she needed to be on set and purposefully waited until the last second to get the massage. I do not blame her at all in this situation. It was what the show meant to do to her and even if she said her this is too close to the shoot they would convince her it wasn't. Because that is what the producers jobs are.
Rewatching this makes me realize Mr Jay is not as innocent as he pretends to be recently on podcasts. He was part of production. The show concepts are so disturbing.
100% Agreed. For all the crap that Tyra's getting, Jay deserved at least half of that. His treatment towards girls like Kelle cycle 3 and Furonda cycle 6 were horrendous.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@peterlim5144 He literally called a girl with vitiligo "Panda" and got defensive when she asked him not to. He's garbage. Edit: Other person is correct that wasn't Jay it was Yu Tsai. Jay's still garbage just that one wasn't him XD Apologies!
@@feyrannahunter1062 that was Yu Tsai
@@feyrannahunter1062 That wasn't him. That was Yu Tsai that said that, he is so disgusting.
I’m confused why Tyra told one girl that having her hair in a ponytail made her not look like a model, but then told another that having her hair DOWN made her not look like a model. What??? They 100% go after the girls’ appearance with no real reason.
In their defence a certain look could work on a model and wouldn't on another one so it can be a valid point.
@Rani Oh yes, absolutely. The reasoning behind the act doesn't excuse the execution.
That’s what I was thinking too! They’re just being rude to be rude. All those girls are so beautiful and sadly they make them feel as if they’re not.
They told Ebony in the US vs Brits season to go to castings in pigtails. Do not take what they say as good advice.
I guess they should just have one side of their hair up and the other down ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I love Azizi's responses like, "I mean, I've never dealt with live feedback like that, cause I work for real professionals that actually know how to direct, but..."
Somebody please send this to Jay Manuel
Yea, that was pretty cool.
Thank God that she works with real pros and not you know...
Azizi... destroy them in such an elegant way..
That was fucked, what he did to her.
I can't believe that she pulled their clothes up and basically said you have to show skin/be sexualized to be a model, she was trying to break all this stereotypes but she reinforced them. It was really disgusting and it was breach of their personal space and boundaries.
The whole 'You have to dress well at all times a model' thing is so dumb imo. 99.9% of photo shoots will either have outfits ready for you when you get there or will tell you what to wear beforehand. They just want every girl to be the exact same and not express themselves or stand out in anyway and it's messed up
FR!! The girl with white top who was forced to turn her top into a crop top looked so uncomfortable, like, they're not modeling right then, just let them wear what they want!! When they're modeling, sure, you can be more directing, but imagine if that happen in any other competition, like, if in masterchef during thd judging Gordon Ramsey just walked up to you and started putting your hair in a pony tail, forcing you to wear chef hat and apron or something, you just don't do that to people!!
I know right this left me so shook- tf was going on in this show-
I would have slapped her hands away!!
What boundaries? This show was all about abuse and not respecting people's boundaries!! Claiming they wanted models to be respected and stand up for themselves, yet always eliminating girls who did exactly that!! They were way worse than the behaviour they claimed to be against, they exploited and abused them MORE than actually happens in the real bussiness..
I just wanna know who hyped up Tyra for these ideas at the board room meeting
No one hyped her up, she went all dinosaur and stomped on all the other ideas.
Tyra is either completely out of touch or a sell out probably both.
Tyra hyped Tyra up for these ideas.
No one, but whoever was there probably scared for to lose their job if they spoke.
Herself
Jay: Why are you late?
Melrose: **tells him the reason**
Also Jay: **she was very argumentative**
Melrose also has no way to defend herself, since that would be arguing. It's manipulative af
Yes and he was like “Listen.” After he just asked her a question..
@@AxiomPenguin I thought the same thing. She's at an impasse here that makes her feel powerless. It's really sad too, because you can absolutely see how much she wants it and how innocent her intentions were
Jessica was right on the money saying they gave her the massage with make up on on purpose. No one in history has ever thought doing a massage in full make up is a good idea.
Right?? It’s like in school when you’re late to class and you’re teacher asks why, so you tell them. If you have a bad reason they’ll refute it but if you have a good reason they’re all “you’re just making excuses” but it’s never “oh okay that’s understandable”
As someone who has been through an eating disorder the idea of romanticising it for a shoot it disgusting. It’s a serious problem that effects not only the person dealing with the eating disorder but their families watching someone waste away. Honestly so upsetting to see it like that.
Yeah, imagine if one of those models actually had an eating disorder
I work at an eating disorder hospital and omg I’d be so upset if one of my patients saw that. So so triggering
exactly :( im trying to recover and then i see this sh!t like...
Yeah, I was really upset by this too. Like I couldn’t watch because it’s honestly triggering
@@adrianaf1194 girl if something triggers you don't watch it 🖤 its ok to avoid certain topics while you recover. We all believe in you & I am sending all my positive vibes your way 🖤🖤🖤🖤
the way she wasn’t even acting like a diva she was just explaining why she was late??
I know! I even heard her say I’m so sorry during the beginning shoot! She wasn’t argumentative at all and even IF she was acting like a Diva they literally told her too
It’s a set up
Yup she was just playing in character and he made it awkward by acting dumb like she didn't get a massage before hand
Not to mention, if he's that concerned about being behind schedule, why is he wasting time asking questions when he doesn't care about the answer.
Well the "oh honey" sounded condescending
Tyra never got over the fact she was never at the same level of Naomi Campbell, Linda Evangelista and Kate Moss so she tried to make fun of them and shade them in here. Tyra we see you
Nailed it
So true! Tara is doing so much damage!
Don't forget Cindy Crawford
Exactly
Tyra has no class to be a good model.
"Most controversial shoot" im like....yall literally did black face 🧍♂️
And who could forget the poor girl from the "I was rooting for you" scene. She deserves so much better. Or the time when another contestant confessed (for the first time ever) that she'd been s*xually abused to one of the presenters, had a panic attack about being claustrophobic due to a shoot in a literal grave, and they still made her do it. The racism and abuse these girls received makes me feel ill tbh
@RBCorsiva Yeah, Caridee. They then blamed her for not letting them know sooner that she was going into hypothermia, while I'm sure if she had they would have been saying "You have to push through that if you want to be a real model!"
Yeah and they did it twice...
@@beth4928 i think the Worst one ever was the one where a girl said she didn’t feel comfortable around men since she was sexually abused and they had her making out with a guy
@@anasofiamagana7846 oh yeah. Poor Kayla. That was ridiculous. She broke my heart.
Jay, WHAT ATTITUDE?! Melrose literally just explained to you why her arrival was delayed. That's IT!
THANK YOU
Gives vibes of a parent asking the kid to explain themselves then telling them off for backtalk when they do.
I really REALLY hates Jay my god
@@nomousecat Ugh, gaslighting as its WORST!
@@alyaalifah.s3277 I enjoy Jay's Chats but he never acknowledges that he was a big instigator of a lot of the show's on-screen drama!
I can't with this... this is SO WRONG. We're basically talking about sexual abuse (9:22), mental health issues and more. And they caricatured these situations, like what the hell, these are real problems.
A lot of aspiring and current models do suffer with the exacting standards and pressures to be a certain weight, and for some, this is reflected in eating disorders. However, the fact that anorexia and bulimia are shown as model 'stereotypes' in a fashion shoot delegitimises the institutional issues that contribute to these mental illnesses. The styling and creative direction glamourise and editorialise the process of suffering with mental illness. It's just exploitative and tacky.
Isn't that true of all those stereotypes? The casting couch legitimizes misogyny, the others normalize bratty entitled behavior. None of that challenges those ingrained issues, they just wanted to be "controversial".
@@ju-shi-san yeah I think the difference is anorexia & bulimia will literally kill you, & if doesnt kill you you're usually left weak & unable to care for yourself. All those other things are bad yes but its really nothing compared to suffering those EDs cause, not only for the sufferer but for their family & friends. Medical issues that kill you are a bit different from being a brat or dealing with misogyny. Like I said those are definitely still major issues, just DIFFERENT issues with different solutions from EDs. Its not just "ew im fat", its starving yourself to the point of being on deaths door or starving to actual death.
Thank you. 🙏
the other thing is that eating disorders are super easy to trigger, so this could directly harm both the models and the viewers if they've ever struggled with that-- especially the measuring of the waist.
Yeah, that one got me too
I literally skipped through the Tyra screaming part, Jesus Christ that was cringy
Her accent was even worse.
I know right i got serious second hand embarassment from that
at least she was finally being her true self lol
It’s just disgusting... to think I used to watch this show when I was a 12/13 ... and all the young impressionable girls who watched this .. they should be ashamed
And now you look like a model
right
Right...
Omg yeah cuz ur so marginalized 👀
@@bepopxxx I was replying to the main comment
As I get older, I realize how problematic this show was. They really played with the girls' psychology. Made them confused, scared , and everything. Omg.
Someone recently said it was on a level with the Stamford prison experiment and I felt that
@@clarinamascarenhas7499 was that Willie Muse?
I always found Tyra so off putting and I’m so glad people are pointing these suuuper problematic themes and behaviors now, even if it is like 15 years later.
As a kid I never new why I HATED this show with a passion
@@ispilled_thetea3286 same I *HATED* this show too
I completely agree. I remember watching this show and constantly questioning her actions and motives.
It's reassuring to now realize it wasn't just me that thought that way. .
My major issue was how she constantly contradicted herself as well as the weird overbearing presence of her image on the show. Photos of her face were hung everywhere.
It almost looked like she was some leader of a totalitarian state where her subjects had to worship her presence. It was bizarre.
When Tyra does her “skits”, I always want to crawl under a rock and die. Imagine actually being there! I think having the contestants endure this up close and in person is the biggest example of abuse on the show.
Yeah, Tyra really wanted to convince people she could act ... there is a reason that never worked out for her - so cringe.
Nah that wasn't a skit, that was Tyra being Tyra and trying to convince us "she's not like that"
Jay: That wasn’t the real Tyra Banks
Jessica:
When I tell you I wheezed 💀💀💀
same 🤣🤣
*Audible blink* but We know Tyra is jealous because She wasn't in the freedom video.
😂😂😂
@@danielbergonzi7319 Well, she was in the Too Funky video with Linda and the rest. That's good enough.
@@PHSDM104 But Freedom 90 was used in that iconic Versace walk where the Supermodels were launched. Tryra wasn't one of the big four on the fall 1992 collection so She's bitter, besides what collections was too funky used on?
Regarding how Melrose was essentially "punished" for winning the mini challenge, that was something I noticed consistently with this show, esp the shoots where contestants would receive more frames as a prize and the last place model would receive the least. Everytime I remember (and I watched the first 10 or so seasons) the model with the lowest amount of photos would be praised for how she could do so much with so few and up near the top or w top photo that week and the model w the most almost always ended up going home or being near the bottom. I think its really unfair that they weren't judged blindly on photos alone in general.
They did that a lot. They also never had any consistency with their judging criteria. The judges were a bunch of hypocrites sitting up on their pedestals, nothing more.
Wow I just remembered that- I never put that together as a kid but youre right!
Some people give backhanded compliments, Tyra stabs you and shoots your friends while she says your hair is passable.
This is the best description I've seen of her, ever 😂😂😂
She's a psycho with a beautiful face and a soft voice.
tyra is the queen of backhanded compliments.
Nah she sucks at it or else you wouldn't catch the backhanded part of it.
I was so mortified by Tyra's acting.
She is the definition of cringey 😖
'acting'
What's funny they're always making fun of the models acting when Tyra is the worst of them all.
it made me so uncomfortable why was she screaming like that
Apologies to all French people 😂🤦♀️
I hate it when they say "the attitude" after they pressure the girls and then ASK. Like, you don't want the facts, don't ask. I had a boss like that, what a nightmare. He'd create an environment where I had challenges progressing then get me in trouble. I lasted longer than he did though.
At the start i did not realise Tyra was 'acting'.
Bruh same
ugh it was so cringy
It caused physical pain 😫
Did she mean to fall down lmao I kinda thought that was real
Tyra thinks that acting is all about looking like a cheap version of Grace Adler
As an anorexic whos body image issues started in my childhood, thinking about the amount of impressionable girls watched this it's worrying and saddening
God sees you as beautiful and His beloved creation. You can be whole and happy and not be guilty about eating - The Lord loves you so much and He will give you strength if you ask Him for help. He loves you. You are beautiful. Let Him help you - just saying my piece ❤️
Yes! And it could also make people not want to reach out for help if they are suffering from these disorders because it seems like they didn’t cafe about the severity of the disorders, they were only using it for the idea of it.
I was one of them. Watching these videos is connecting a lot of dots for me on specific aspects of my dysmorphia...
@@Brittanysplittany If they're an atheist, your comment can make them even more uncomfortable...
I watched it too & also was anorexic for several years 🥺 it really did have an impact along with everything from the 2000s/2010s
That whole Melrose debacle confused tf out of me too when it first aired. Definitely a setup from the jump
I think production just figured that this would be the conflict of this episode and tried to give her this storyline of "she thinks she so good" so tyra and the judges would always have something to say about her.
I feel bad that Melrose didnt know what was happening and because of it the producers were able to milk her scenes and edit her to really make people believe this..
"Your ponytail doesn't look model, take it down."
"Put your hair in a ponytail to look more model"
Wtf Tyra.
When i was younger this is what i thought modeling was like. But actually have a model reacting with Jessica to give insight really does show you how outdated it is and awful this show really treated these girls and modeling isnt like that anymore. And i really use to look up to this show too 😭
I really appreciate it as well. Its STILL not discussed enough, to the point where we don't even know if its still happening. I know measures have been taken more recently but I had no idea how much & what they were. Its nice to see that they're treating models better. Im glad this all seems so outrageous to her model friend because that means she's being treated with the respect she & all other models deserve.
You and me both. :(
This kinda tells me though how thankful we should be that the TV is dying out and internet culture becomes a thing because people have grown more sceptical of the information they are being fed.
This feels like a healthy conversation we should be having instead of just watching this trash.
I remember there was a show in germany called germany's next topmodel, ans Heidi Klum is the host, and in one episode she wanted her girls to walk in high heels on a treadmill and see who does it the longest. I just remember that one girl did that for a few minutes and then got up abd said that is retarded it just damages her feet and left. Heidi was super pissed at that, but the girl was right, what does that have to do with modelling? All of the other girls had blood blisters on their feet the day after. Why do we give these old women this much credit?
I get it, Tyra and Heidi are VS angels, but this show is ridiculous and looks like a humblebrag on TV for their success...
@@corneliahanimann2173 one thing i gotta say is I wish someone around working in the 2000s was reacting to this so we could see how it was back then when antm was airing comparison to early 2000s business/modelling.
Having no choice and forcing be like
"I'm allergic to this food"
"But you have to eat it"
"I know but can you choose something else?"
"But you have to eat it"
"This could land me to an hospital so I can't"
"But you have to eat it"
H7yy
Model eats it and ends up in ER
"Ugh! You have to know your body & limits! Why didn't you stand up for yourself?!?!
.........now rip out those IV's and trek 5 miles thru the the jungle in 10 inch stilettos! Real models do this all the time plus they carry the photographer on their back so the equipment doest get wet!"
That rant from Tyra was a little too real
Reminds me of how when she was screaming at Tiffany and said she has never yelled at girl like that before! I was like "are you sure? Because you're pretty good at it!!" I hate how I thought she was so amazing and the fact that I wanted to be on the show so bad. So glad I wasn't able to get off work that day they were close to me. 😂
I grew up watching top model and all I ever learned was "you do what you need to make money. You'll never have work if you're uncomfortable doing a shoot"
“Just say Naomi Campbell” 😂😂😂
I’m crying! Stop!! 😂
At 21:13 "we don't do that in fashion." YOUR HAIR IS THE EXACT SAME WAY!
It feels like they're going to react to every single ANTM episode...
AND I'M HERE FOR IT.
You know there's a big difference in the models from the beginning of the show to the end of the show. In the beginning of the show they all have a great personality and they're fun and outgoing and by the end of the show they're broken down and sad and quiet and docile.
the accent isnt french i am french and honey i can tell you that nobody talks like that but with this super extrem performance tyra was giving me a telenovela realness
I really feel you touched a very controversial point of ANTM when you asked "what if they felt uncomfortable doing a shoot like that" watching AJ doing her photoshoot. I remember how I felt watching cycle 15 when Kayla had to do her commercial with the male model RIGHT AFTER CONFESSING TO JAY THAT SHE WAS ASSAULTED and she was phisically uncomfortable around man. And he said "oh im sorry, go to a therapist" and then made her do it anyways. That was SO wrong and all the "you have to do all it takes to be a model even if it hurts you" narrative they pushed was so so so wrong.
I HAD A CHANCE TO BE A MODEL,WHEN I WAS 16. I WAS SUPPOSED TO MODEL TWEENY CLOTHES ,DUE TO MY HEIGHT AND WEIGHT! LATER ON, I LEARNED THAT AD'S FOR MODEL'S (1980'S) THAT THERE WAS A RISK OF ABUSE AND BEING WITH AN ABUSIVE HUSBAND THAT I KNEW THAT WASN'T THE ANSWER AND SELLING AVON PROVED TO BE DANGEROUS ,AS ROUTE GIVEN MEANT THAT I WAS AT RISK FROM A COUPLE OF MALE CUSTOMER'S. ONE FRIGHTENED ME SO BAD TRYING TO GET ME, INTO HIS FLAT THAT I TOLD HIM TO RING THE ORDER THROUGH AND I WOULD COLLECT THE MONEY ON DELIVERY! HAD I NOT BEEN ON MY OWN , FAIR ENOUGH! I USE TO LOOK AT THE AVON MODEL'S WONDERING HOW MUCH AND SUFFERING THEY WENT THROUGH FOR THEIR ART!
I FOUND JAY AND TYRA TO BE THE MOST ABUSIVE ON THE SHOW ! MY HUSBAND AND I WOULD CHEER ON THE UNDERDOG ON THE PROGRAMME! I'M GLAD THAT THE ABUSE THE WOMEN SUFFERED ON ANTM WAS RIDICULOUS! WE WERE GLAD OFONE THING THAT IT HIGHLIGHTED THE ABUSE'S OF WOMEN IN THE INDUSTRY AND GOT JAY AND TYRA NOTICED FOR THEIR ABUSE! I HOPE THEY GOT ARRESTED FOR THEIR ABUSE!
TO EXPLOIT A WOMAN THAT HAS BEEN RAPED IS WRONG AND COULD END UP IN MODEL COMMITTING SUICIDE!
Aren't the drug addict model and the "not getting up for less than 10.000 $/day" model references to Kate Moss and Linda Evangelista?
I know she put an accent on it but her "character" was a dig on Janice Dickenson for suuuure. The meltdowns and "I am the only supermodel in the world".
Obviously over dramatized but anyone else catch that?
@@MsMisfits yup!! This is what I said in my comment!! Every single one of these are based on actual supermodel’s actions, not stereotypes🙄🙄
@@lqkim9756 you’re 100% right! Omg she was so gorgeous...her story hurts my heart.
right, and we already know the cellphone was a reference to Naomi. these aren’t coincidences
@@lqkim9756 I agree I thought it was based on Gia as well.
as soon as you call someone argumentative you've cornered them because how do you defend yourself without confirming that accusation
A tactic used to silence girls.
Absolutely!
The Americas Next Top Model scenes made me cringe so hard and I actually got mad. Also, mental illnesses shouldn't be stereotypes. I love how you two stayed so calm and constructive. Good video!
The T in Tyra Banks, stands for TOXIC. Say it with me peepz
Tyrant Banks
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I love Azizi's vibe, she's so chill, and like smart.
Black girl acting white. What does that even mean?
I have no idea, but maybe it's like the opposite of white girls wearing braids and more traditional hairstyles? I know people are upset about that, saying they shouldn't do that.
I feel like they kinda went this way
I think it means taking away the beautiful “black features” and pushing European featured black girls. That’s what I’ve heard a lot. Only narrow noses and and relaxed hair ect
apperantly having blonde hair 😂😂😂
basically like ttyTeala
At the time, I remember thinking this was a jab at Naomi Campbell, too. I believe she was blond for a little while (which, it goes without saying, doesn't mean she was "trying to be white" but Tyra's petty AF).
I just imagine the girl who is showing her portfolio and flipping though it
"and this one I was pretending to have an eating disorder".
I remember watching this cycle when it was on tv and my younger self hating Melrose and all the other girls hating her too but watching it back now I can totally see that they made her out to be the villain from the start! Portraying her as a diva when it wasn’t even her fault she was late! Ugh just makes me angry rewatching it
LOL the girl you said "pro model level" WON THE SHOW LDFBNGTGUBED AHHH
I love how Tyra told Anchal to take her hair out of her ponytail but then told Melrose and Jaeda to put their hair in a ponytail. Like WHAT?!?! Which is the right way?
People have different faces. Maybe one looked better down. The other looked better up. Not everything is black or white.
I don’t think Tyra knows the right way
i’ve been obsessed with these reaction videos for like the past month lol
“How is throwing a cellphone at somebody a stereotype”
LMAOOOOOO 💀💀💀💀💀
the drug/alcohol abuse, bulimia and anorexia concepts don’t sit right with me. especially since they most likely did not put any sort of trigger warning before the episode.
edit: since a few people are taking this the wrong way, i just wanted to say that ik this is how society was 10 or so years ago, but i’m glad people have become more cautious when it comes to topics like these.
How old are you?? 5??
@@user-kw7fe1dv3j how old are you to be making fun of someone whos talking about a real issue. 🙄
Of course not? This show has been around longer than the popularity of trigger warnings.
@@user-kw7fe1dv3j nah dawg 17. get your facts straight
@@iescapedALR yeah true. i never watched it cause it never was too interesting to me but even though it was a show before the time of trigger warnings being commonly used, i still think it’s so weird to think about how these things were viewed as okay, and that they were simply “edgy”
The 'piggy' comment got to me because I have a very similar turned-up nose and one time in college (high school for Americans) lab class the girl I was paired with told me she hated her nose. I told her her nose was nice and that I didn't like my nose either, which I was only really saying to make her feel better. She replied: "hmm you do have a bit of a pig's nose". It's been 12 years and I still think about it all the time! Nothing worse than someone making you insecure about something you didn't used to care about.
College is college in the USA lol. High school and college are not the same.
They refer to high school as college in the UK.
I used to watch ANTM religiously and I always had a problem with the judging panel because they were so rude all the time. Like to be a young plus size girl hearing that these "model" body type women are trying their hardest to be perfect and theyre are being constantly criticized really resonated negatively in my teenage girl mind. Im glad you 2 are speaking up about it.
I think the problem with shoots like this is the lack of tact on the show's part. This shoot really could have opened up a lot of interesting discussions about the darker side of the fashion industry. But, the show decided to keep the focus on looking good, so the dark themes ended up coming across as glamorous.
I remember being 16, loving ANTM and thinking how Tyra and the team knows the best but now I see how shitty it was xD
Azizi is so sweet. The stereotypes involving eating disorders felt awful, especially since I've dealt with anorexia myself and people didn't know until I collapsed. I'm glad you mentioned that some of the models might suffer from EDs as well, in secret. It's very "2000s Zeitgeist", though, back then having an ED was seen as a sign of vanity and obsession with weight loss rather than a serious sign of trauma and a need for control when everything else feels like you're not in the driver seat of your own life.
They should not have glamorized eating disorders in any way. I personally study mental eating habits and therapy because I’m an aspiring dietician. This is a serious issue and it is just as deadly as obesity. Lack of nutrients and not eating creates a terrible relationship with food and I know many people who struggled for years to get out of that stage. A lot of it comes from lack of self confidence and depression. Bulimia and anorexia are not just stereotypes, they are serious health problems. That photo shoot concept is disgusting. Oh but good video btw. I love y’all’s reactions.
It's way, way, way, way more dangerous than obesity. Obesity kills slowly. Anorexia and bulimia actually eat away at the people's muscles, including their hearts. That's not a slow death.
I know someone who was a model for a year and the things she told me that happened are crazy. And 99% of them were about the client's & agents etc. People telling them they're too fat, too skinny, too tall, too short etc . All day every day. Then when they're told they're "perfect" they have to change/dye their hair, only to have to change it again the following day... definitely would cause serious identity disorders.
As far as eating disorders, my friend said most of the models had one kind or another. She told me it was around 80% of them. And almost all of them were addicted to diet pills. It was more of a mental addiction. They'd take several with each 'meal' and barely eat anything. I think that's something that isn't talked about as much.
Luckily my friend got out and is now a producer for HGTV. She loves it :)
@Cara Akin I agree. I appreciate the way they responded to those clips. Good luck with your recovery. I believe in you and I am so happy you were able to find a healthy working environment where you feel safe and I’m assuming more confident. Thank you for sharing and God bless. 💖✨
@@Starbits7 Wow that is so sad. I think the most important thing is for people to have a good relationship with food. Knowing balance and order. The human body needs food to survive but too much or too little of the wrong thing will just be counter productive. More awareness on this subject definitely needs to be shared. I’m really amazed by your friend and it is so nice to hear that they are healthy and happy. That is such a major success and definitely a life changing moment. ✨✨✨
@@Acidfunkish For sure. Romanticizing or glorifying either one of those is very disheartening especially for anyone who had to experience or is experiencing such trauma.
Did you guys know Jay made a ‘fictional’ book about working on a supermodel reality show who’s head judge was a mega diva supermodel? Look it up 😂
How can you keep sane if treated this way, I'm speechless..
The Diva for a Day was actually a prize win. Melrose had won a runway challenge prior to the photoshoot, and part of her prize win consisted of a personal assistant, full body massage, etc.......
Why did he want the bed model to act horrified? Like shouldn’t be she stretching or like giving whoever woke her up the stink eye? Like what was he going for
They had someone offer her a giant check for $9, 999 and she's horrified that they'd dare expect her to get up for such a pathetic paycheck.
I feel like the 'model turned actress' was aimed at Megan Fox.
Considering the girls once had to channel models and one of them chose Megan.
JESUS. I didn’t realize this show was that insane. Yikes yikes yikes.
The casting couch model definitely has a different ring now that I'm almost 30 vs when I saw this at 14.
Glamorising eating disorders and addiction is just something else tho, there's raising awareness and then there's this. And I remember the twins' photos being some of my favourites/most memorable but in reality I think it was the shock factor.
Melrose was amazing this whole season, they played her into being the enemy of the house and that "she was better than everyone else" when you can see she wanted the judges approval and the be friends with the girls. I think the final 3 of this season were amazing and was honestly a 3 way tie because each had their own unique strengths.
I felt so bad for her, bc I would be the same way if this was my dream
I never think I did well enough, or dressed good enough. She was just worried about her styling being right for her first photo shoot of the competition so she wouldn't be the first one eliminated
Like, I'm just watching the judging panel for this episode, and Tyra's saying she was saying things she never said. She didn't speak one word in her defense at the panel, she just apologized for being late and said it won't happen again. I've been convinced since the cycle 4 makeovers that Jay lies to Tyra about what the girls actually say. Though, Ms. J was kind of giving Tyra the side eye after her rant about her like "What are you talking about? This is the girl we're going to hate? Alright then. Give a queen a warning."
Yeah, but half of the girls this season complained about living with Melrose in later interviews.
The judging always annoys me so much, they’re there to talk about the PICTURE and the models’ performance ON THE DAY, but they just feel the need to criticise whatever the model is doing then, like “I know this is meant to be about the photo but let me just strip you real quick because I know you won’t say anything because I’m the one in the position of power”
I want to become a model and this channel has help me a lot to understand what photographers are thinking.
The fact that they are making light of EXTREMELY serious situations (rape, sexual assault, anorexia, bulimia, racism etc.) is what gets to me here. Sure, these can be "stereotypes" but they are treating it as if it's all a big joke. It's incredibly disturbing.
I had to skip over the bulimic and anorexic ones. It’s disgusting to minimize and glamorize in this way. If they were portraying mental health issues in an artistic way, that could be a beautiful representation of what some people go through. This was not that. It was a mockery of serious mental illnesses that so many struggle with and it’s a slap in the face when we’ve seen on this very show judges telling stick thin models that they need to watch what they eat.
The bulimia one I found especially disturbing. The whole thing is in such poor taste it’s unreal
Not to mention how much they already were fat shaming the girls in other episodes. It's disgusting
Moral of the story: ANTM is just blatantly unprofessional and exploitative.
I was obsessed with this show as a teen and WOW it explains alot. I see this stuff now and I would NEVER!
"I want Melrose to give me a certain level or vulnerability" as he roasts her the entire time she does anything
Omg thank you! I always felt so bad for Melrose in this episode when she clearly was not being sassy but just playing up the character they assigned her! They dragged her just for content and it's so messed up. Like let the girls make their own drama but the judges mistreating them for fun is wrong.
I'd love to see you react to the "Circus" shoot where they had the girls portray what they called "Circus Freaks" but some were actual disabilities. Conjoined twins, gigantism, (I think) dwarfism, bearded lady etc. Also really focussing on Melrose looking old giving her the "old face, young body".
🤣 lmfao
At 12:03 you can see Raja who was a contestant on Ru Paul’s Drag Race season 3, back when they were a makeup artist on top model - obviously now they’re an incredible drag queen :)
Finally, someone on Melrose side, she is always my absolute favourite no matter what the editing says
12:01 Raja! Throwing the shade too "should you be the narcissist?" Ahaha
If tyra came up to me and started to "fix" my outfit, I would have a panic attack on the spot
Tyra's accent in the beginning reminded me of Naomi's accent...And after that we have Monique throwing a cellphone at assistant. Interesting
The bulimia one really looked real and I think used in a campaign against bulimia would be a great place for that picture as it gives you that uncomfortable feeling.
Agreed. Despite the controversial aspect, Michelle's pic was one of the best I've ever seen. It's completely haunting.
I’ve struggled with bulimia for like 3 years that’s so awful. Forcing someone to recreate that scene could literally make her become bulimic. We’re all introduced to it somehow.
I suffer with bulimia and I do it secretly so nobody knows about it. I hate it, but I'm too ashamed to say anything about it.
@@rucianapollard7098 please get help. Your teeth will rot and fall out.
@@Halo2glitchlover22 I've already lost 4
Mr. Jay: that wasn't the real tyra banks
Your reaction was priceless!
I just want to know what was Tyra thinking
* enter all mister crabs quotes *
Nothing?
Money
Honestly everything about ANTM is SO controversial and weird now💀 I used to love watching that show and now that I watch again i’m always so shocked by the things we could get away with in the 2000s😩😂
I have had the unfortunate experience of working with negative photographers and it really is hard to get through. All the negative feedback makes you insecure and confused and it reads in the photos, only proving "you suck".
"a random guy is gonna brush your hair, is that okay?" 🤣
Stereotype is one thing, actual eating disorders and addiction are another thing. The rest just made me cringe - these three made me actually angry because this is not just some stereotype, those are problems that can end in actual death.
Ok, but why does it literally even matter how the girls dress/style themselves at the judge's panel?? As models, they're going to be styled by other people throughout their entire careers. They honestly could've turned up in their pajamas with no hair or makeup done and it shouldn't have mattered because all that should have mattered was their shots. So, why was her criticizing their fashion choices even a thing?
I actually remember seeing this episode at 15, in the midst of an eating disorder, and watching it again and again cause they made my pain look cool and beautiful. It spurred my eating disorder on. It is actively damaging to portray eating disorders like this, especially when you know your show has a large female audience of girls whose biggest dream is to become a model or be a part of the show.
I’m so sorry you endured that! I hope you are healing now ❤️
As someone who has battled with EDs before, those two "themes" were so, so mentally triggering and so harmful... wtf
Yh, I’ve seen those photos used a lot as thinspo’s in ed forums, never knew they were from this show. Its just sick.
@@Xamerax agreed! I never was on any of those forums when I was actively fighting my ED (thank goodness) but I heard about them and if those photos were on there... oh my gosh that makes it worse...
You guys should watch Cycle 15 or 16's photoshoots, Jess! They were actually really good
I remember watching this episode as a preteen, I remember how weirded out I was when Tyra changed the girls clothes and how uncomfortable I was about stereotypes being portrayed as “beautiful”
the lion, the witch and the AUDACITY-
as someone who suffered/suffers from both an ED and addiction the photos really make me feel sick.
It's not about you! Get over yourself!
I'm just glad Tyra had a chance to show her true colors in the intro!!
I grew up watching this but looking back on this as an adult I'm like what even was this show!? So negative and they set the models up to fail/feel bad. Really shed's a new light on the show.
I remember those flip phones with the T9. I was so excited bc it was such a step up from pagers.
This is one of the few shoots i actually remember from when i watched this as a kid- well I only really remembered the Bulimiac photo, not quite sure why
Oh my God, I've been waiting for you to react to this photoshoot for a looong time! When I started watching Jessica's ANTM reactions, I immediately remembered about this episode and realized that they deliberately put Melrose in this situation. First they gave her a really lame prize for winning the challenge, and then they arranged it so that they could scold her for acting like a diva (what?). Poor Melrose (also one of my personal favourite winners ever, she was robbed, you can't change my mind)