DIY: First Time with Tongsheng TSDZ2 mid-drive motor eBike Kit on an old mountainbike
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
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My little adventure with this eBike conversion kit!
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Chapters:
0:00 Presentation
2:25 Got rid of the crank
2:42 The motor
3:17 Accessories
5:22 Mounting the motor
6:43 Chain and speed sensor
7:18 The battery
8:54 The first test
9:33 The street test
11:05 The accelerator test
11:20 The assisted pedaling test
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- Bicycle Pedal Removal and Installation: • Bicycle Pedal Removal ...
- Crank Removal and Installation: • Crank Removal and Inst...
- Tongsheng TSDZ2 Mid-Drive Installation: • TSDZ2 Mid Motor Instal...
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Test road my install of one of these today and was very impressed. Handled a hilly route that I normally need a lot of low gears and hard effort cycling to manage but no problems in just normal gears with the Tongsheng. First ebike I've ever road and having put it together myself and it working so well is quite a result & pleasant surprise. Cycling will never be the same again, it will be much better. Normal non-ebikes are now pretty much torture machines but I like that the Tonsheng still gives the impression of normal cycling, just with that added flying carpet feel.
I'm glad to see a 'non-Bafang' mid drive install, since so many Bafang are shown, but this is the first I've found for another brand.
nice...missing Paris right now after 4 years overseas ! good to see valuable info on the tongsheng mid drive plus some Paris streets footage
I'm getting my E-bike conversion kit on Friday, exactly the same as yours, Thanks for this video bud, it's helped me a lot to be prepared for when it comes :)
Thanks to you! I'm happy to be helpful ☺
Ciao Luke, thank you for your awesome Reviews about Converse normal Bikes to E-Bikes. Today I built the first time a Tongsheng TSDZ2 Motor on my old everyday Peugeot "Corona" Trekking Bike. The Power is awesome, thanks a lot :-)
Avec plaisir :)
Very nice kit it seems and also fast for 250 watts. Looks very tempting to buy thanks for the good video!
thinking of getting this kit. If you see on my channel my old Sun Trike ebike kit is wearing down. Thank you for all the help and info! I do have a front crank with 3 gears up front. Think they have something like I haven’t checked yet!
Hi I’m Julia Li from Tongsheng motor and I’m glad to see your video with our TSDZ2! Merry Christmas!
Thanks Julia, it's a really great product!
Merry Christmas to you too 🙌🎅
Hi, there is a slot in the aluminium battèry baseplate. This can be used to get a bolt into your frame. It will enable you to instal battery right way up.
You're right about the other slot, but even trying that one the result is still with the holes on the frame out of line 😫
At the end having the buttery upside down is good for me: it makes it even easier to remove it! 👍
Thanks for the video. I did have a question about connecting the battery to the motor. Where did you get the connector to connect to the motor? Better yet, where did you buy your kit from that may have included the connector?
Hey, great question since there are thousands of different variants and clones! This is the exact same url where I purchased it www.ebay.com/itm/293241130127 hopefully 🤞 it will be the exact same package, which should include a battery termination compatible with the kit's battery connector (as seen in the video).
Hi thanks for the video - I'm considering one of these as well. I've a question on that brake lever at 3:55 - if this is a torque sensing system do you really need that special brake lever? I'd presume when you're braking you've stopped pedaling and the motor would have cut out anyway?
Hi there! You actually really need the brake sensors. Even if it's a torque sensing system, it's not 100% perfect. From the moment you stop pedaling, for the motor to cut the power it passes like a second or two... enough to kill yourself in certain situations at a certain speed. Brake sensors are not mandatory for the system to work: they're mandatory for you to be safe.
Thanks for the video, although it's more of a test drive video than an installation video ;) I think to make the installation more informative it would be great if you explained more, like why couldn't the battery be installed one way, what dimensions and style of bottom bracket you have to accommodate the TSDZ2, what did you do to hide wiring, etc.
It's true that it's not a complete installation video, but if you need those you can find plenty of them: I also made such a video recently if you're interested!
Here I wanted to offer something different, more like a "what to expect" video.
For all the guides you need, check the description!
@@LukeLorusso, nice job. This is the kit I want to install on my Bridgestone mamachari. It seems like good value.
I was considering the purchase of a Tongsheng mid drive motor like yours so I am looking for anyone who has installed and used one. Looks like your new e bike works well. I also enjoyed seeing your neighborhood. I only wish I could take my e bike to Paris and cruise around. I really like Paris even without an e bike. Ciao.
Thanks for sharing Phil! I really appreciate that.
For mixed urban areas like Paris this kit is perfect! I like the performances while still let you enjoying the feeling of pedaling thanks to the torque sensor. Hope you can feel this too soon! Grazie
@@LukeLorusso I recently purchased a Tongsheng kit like yours and installed in on a road bike. It works well. With all of the hills in my neighborhood it gives me more of a workout than my Bafang equiped bike which does not have torque sensing. I hope your bike has been trouble free and functioned well.
@@philt214 Great news! I had a little troubles with the old bike itself but the motor worked like a charm!
I don't use it since the beginning of the lockdown, so I decided to try building another one in my hometown. A Bafang one, identical in specs but completely different in behaviors
@@philt214 if you guys had to choose a favorite motor which middrive would you favor?
superr
How do you like it so far? Any problems with the kit?
Hey! I've used it as daily driver from the video date for 5 months in Paris: it's a nice motor.
I had all kinds of problems related to using a second-hand old bike as base (jumping chain, having to re-register the derailleur...). After having replaced rear wheel, freewheel and chain with good ones now it's flawless! 💪
Looks like you mounted the battery upside down? Or not?
Has anyone had experience with the Hailon G56 battery, as far as I can see the 12.5AH have "Chinese made cells" the 15AH has Samsung cells, are they safe, reliable etc?
super, j'ai enfin trouvé une démo de l'utilisation de l'accelérateur avec ce moteur ! Une petite question quand même, l'accélérateur fonctionne avec tous les niveaux d'assistance ? est ce qu'on peut s'en servir en pédalant en même temps pour avoir une assistance plus graduelle que les 4 modes d'origine ?
Très bon question, j'essaye d'expliquer ça.
L'accélérateur est indépendant des niveaux d'assistance : de que tu presse l'accélérateur, le moteur pousse également aux 4 niveaux !
Cela dit, il as un système de "sécurité" : le moteur ne démarre jamais au maximum de la vitesse. Si tu accélérés au max, il va te pousser doucement et après il va augmenter la puissance graduellement jusqu'au maximum de la puissance (tout ça dans à peu près un second).
Et ce comportement devient bizarre en pédalant : si tu es entrain de pédaler, le moteur va t'aider par rapport au niveau choisi. Mais, si tu accélérer à cette moment, pour mesure de sécurité, le moteur va ARRÊTER son aide (tu ressens ça pour un second) et après il va pousser par rapport à l'accélérateur (donc oui, tu peux doser avec l'accélérateur l'aide aux pédales).
Pour moi ce système c'est pas le mieux, ça fait pas trop "scooter"... du coup je fais ça uniquement avec les montées !
@@LukeLorusso merci...c'est exactement ce que je cherche à savoir depuis un bon bout de temps ! donc si on met une poignée tournante style moto à la place de la gachette,(c'est plus pratique) on peut utiliser l'assistance au niveau pile poil désiré... comme sur un moteur de roue arrière. Ca regroupe les avantages des deux types de moteurs.
@@christianugolini8493 ouaip... la seule différence c'est qu'il faut gérer les vitesses à la main (parce que la partie qui tourne est au niveau des pédales, différemment du moteur de roue arrière/avant qui arrive à son maximum dans besoin de toucher les vitesses).
@@LukeLorusso oui comme tous les moteurs pédaliers.
10:44 be like "Move bitch! outta da way utta da way, move bitch"
It was more like "lemme help you not to kill yourself"... 😅
...people on bike lanes...
How did you do the wires? That's the one part I need to know heh!
check the comparison video: ua-cam.com/video/T7ve958hJXE/v-deo.html
in there I show some cable arrangements
A motore spento il movimento centrale si avverte che frena la pedalata o è come non ci fosse?
Ciao Federico,
non frena affatto, é come il blocco pedali classico. A volte mi capita di togliere la batteria e andare a motore spento, si comporta come una bici normale. Non si sente nemmeno il peso extra del motore!
Ciao, per la tua esperienza, è meglio questo o il Bafang? Grazie
Ho risposto qui:
ua-cam.com/video/sWy2eSq6GUQ/v-deo.html&lc=UgxuAFmO93eSJepMizB4AaABAg.98fUT4TTGHF98fbMBrOcBN
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Farò prossimamente un video di comparazione
@@LukeLorusso Ok, grazie mille, gentilissimo. Saluti!
what is the BCD of the connecting rod, plate
...?
so I can better use mine. Thank you
I'm sorry I don't know how to retrieve this information
@@LukeLorusso
Thank you very much for answering. It is about measuring the distance between the screws of the plate ... I indicate a website where they explain you better .. Thanks again.
www.wolftoothcomponents.com/pages/how-to-measure-bolt-circle-diameter-bcd
Do you know if this motor can take a 48V battery. If so, what do I need to do(set up on the LCD)?
if you buy the 48V version yes, otherwise no
Thanks
@@PeopleVoicesForObama www.quora.com/Can-I-use-a-48v-10A-battery-to-replace-a-36v-5-2A-on-a-bike-Will-it-burn-out-the-electric-motor-of-the-bike/answer/Peter-Stanley-Ell-Ellsee
Hi !
Is it possible to have a kick stand with this tsdz2 ?
It is for a cargo where the kickstand is allready where the motor back screw is
ah wow... I can't remember, I need to see it and I can't this month... I'll keep you posted 👍
Actually you can't mount a "classic" central-frame kickstand, because the motor will occupy that place also (that is not true with a Bafang mid-drive kit). But you can use a side kickstand: images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81d4UbapYoL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
@@LukeLorusso oh ok, its for a cargo bike, i need a double kick stand. I will go for the bafang i think
@@grmar1494 I think it's a better choice for a cargo bike 💪 you won't regret it
@@LukeLorusso I've finally bought and mounted it. Great kit !
I ordered the same kit, but no brake sensors came with it. Do you think it will harm the motor if I dönt use brake sensors?
not the motor, but yourself there's an high probability
@@LukeLorusso :D Why ? I still have brakes , and i use them. I dont use brake sensors
@@daniellukacs4700 I really need to talk about this in a video, cause you guys keep asking this thing :D
I will re-write a previous comment: "You actually really need the brake sensors. Even if it's a torque sensing system, it's not 100% perfect. From the moment you stop pedaling, for the motor to cut the power it passes like a second or two... enough to kill yourself in certain situations at a certain speed. Brake sensors are not mandatory for the system to work: they're mandatory for you to be safe" ...cause as soon as you pull the lever, the motor disengage itself!
And... there's more, but if you want to know about it subscribe to the channel xD
@@LukeLorusso Thank you for your answer! I havent really felt the need for the sensor, but you make a good point!
Does this work for coaster brake?
Unfortunately no, the chain won't move if you back-pedal.
The same thing happens for the Bafang motor.
Would you tell me please,between buying this TSDZ2 - 750w and Battery 48v 14.5ah cost £700 to fit to my 7years carrera subway vs buying a new carrera subway ebike £950 what's a better option.?!
can you paste a link where to see the new carrera subway ebike? it depends from various things: is the new one equipped with a mid-drive motor? then, which battery mounts the new one? what is the state of the older one? etc.
@@LukeLorusso my bike is a carrera vengeance 7 yo but is doing great
There is a linck for carrera ebike I am talking about
www.halfords.com/bikes/electric-bikes/carrera-subway-mens-electric-hybrid-bike---16in-18in-20in-frames-224422.html
Thanks!
@@andreiapostol9394 things are complex, but I'll try to demystify. The new Carrera Subway Electric Bike has an HUB MOTOR (not a mid-drive motor), that's the first difference. I do prefer mid-drive ones, but it's a personal thing (more here: ua-cam.com/video/Z32RF3-bglY/v-deo.html)
That said, it claims 313Wh / 8.7Ah (if you make a division it's a 36V nominal voltage). I'm expecting this to be a 250W motor. Now first thing: what does your local law say about it? I'm not from UK but can you actually drive something more than 250W? Anyway 313Wh on a 250W motor is not made for long distances... or it is, but it will be VERY SLOW!
In any case, the newer one will be much less powerful than a 750W kit, and way less reliable (since you cannot adjust the power using gears) BUT you will have after sale assistance in case of troubles: that is a goot thing.
If you are a DIY kind of person, go for Tongsheng or Bafang ;)
@@LukeLorusso thanks for help!
It looks like tongsheng ebike comes with only 3rd gear crank.
ciao Luke, io ho uma bici che un paio di anni fa al decathlon pagai oltre le 700€..volevo prenderne una elettrica, ma a parità di caratteristiche andrei a spendere 2300€. vedevo i vari kit e 2 sono i comunui..è sono quelli che hai montato tu nelle tue bici..da quanto tempo li hai montati? ti hanno dato problemi? grazie
ciao Alberto, grazie dell'interesse!
mai un problema (Bafang 1500Km, Tongsheng 1000Km) le bici in compenso si xD ma parliamo di normali rogne da biciclette (forature, freni da sostituire ecc). Alla fine credo sia nettamente valsa la spesa
@@LukeLorusso eh maledette camere d'aria...mi sa che quest'anno le converto in tubless 😉 cmq io sarei orientato per il tongsheng, per me è molto importante pedalare, lo vedo anche come un modo per tenersi in forma. Io vivo a berlino e l'anno scorso ho fatto un percorso apparentemente tranquillo di un 30ina di km..mannaggia tutti in falso piano...😱😱😱 e purtroppo capita spesso, non ci sono salite chissà quanto impegnative, ma tanti km di falso piano mi spaccano di brutto..
su eBay ho visto che c'è un nuovo modello con il freno integrato (contropedalata) ma come batteria cosa mi consiglieresti? vorrei avere almeno 80km di automia..
@@albertoblanco6959 eh... se vuoi autonomia vai di massimo in Ah (tipo almeno 19 per 36V o 17 per 48V)
Cerca batterie di qualità: celle Samsung o Panasonic o marche note
@@LukeLorusso ma secondo te è meglio un motore a 36v o a 48v?...non ho capito bene che cambia..ma hanno lo stesso prezzo.
@@albertoblanco6959 e infatti non cambia niente. O meglio, i motori da 36V in genere non vanno oltre i 500W, perché se si desidera motori al alte prestazioni, quindi alto wattaggio, è ovvio che si preferisca scegliere di aumentare il voltaggio (V*Ah=Wh) e di conseguenza a parità di amperaggio si potrà beneficiare di batterie più performanti.
Ma per un 500W averlo da 36 o 48V, a parità di Wh della batteria, non cambia nulla.
is it good as bafang or better?
watch this ua-cam.com/video/T7ve958hJXE/v-deo.html
What is the watts and v and ah of your kit?
This is the declared 500W at 36V, so it might be something like 13 Ah (this was not specified). I did't test it with an ammeter so I cannot be more precise. Rated Speed: 4000 RPM
Motors are basically 2 models, 36v and 48v then tongsheng controllers let you set amperage to max 16A, so for real the 36v is ~550-600w and 48v is 750-800w. Claimed wattage is more for legal purposes (eu 250w, us 750w), also on a normal bike (not very heavy) and used on normal speeds (14-20k/h) real power used is way below 100w because is pedal assist with torsion sensor not cadence have a great economy (if you don't use throttle), on 36v version with a 13.5ah battery i don't need to recharge even after 100km (~60mi), that on standard controller with stock firmware, if you wish more there is a open source firmware (another controller required) that let you abuse all the settings in any way you wish.
I would be executed if I did this on our hardwood floor 😊
Same here... but leaving in Paris means compromising. None can understand this but someone who have tried. But that's OT
Ciao, come faccio a sapere se il motore ci sta nella mia bici? Non trovo da nessuna parte gli ingombri della parte subito dietro alla corona(la più ingombrante che potremme interferire con la forcella orizzontale dietro della bici. Per cortesia potresti darmi qualche misura?
Ciao Andrea, per entrambi i kit non sono riportate molte misure. Come dicevo in questo commento: ua-cam.com/video/Z32RF3-bglY/v-deo.html&lc=UgzV4JUL_gvmUIka9qJ4AaABAg.99OwdyMIiuF99kkx1ElV8p bisogna verificare che "l'alloggio" (o canotto o tunnel) della pedaliera misuri rispettivamente 68-73mm di profondità e 33.6mm-34mm di diametro.
Tuttavia per questo particolare motore Tongsheng, non si avrà poi la possibilità di montare un cavalletto centrale, ma solo uno laterale.
Leggi questo: www.empoweredcycles.com/blogs/news/101474694-bottom-bracket-standards-and-bafang-mid-drive-motors
@@LukeLorusso eh lo so, quelle misure le sapevo anche io. Speravo che avendo gia il motore installato tu potessi darmi gia in diametro e la profondita di quel cilindro che sta attaccato alla corona dalla parte interna. Legende narrano che abbia diametro 120.
@@andre198089 vorrei aiutarti ma ho due problemi: il primo è che non credo di aver capito di quale cilindro parli (ma se carichi una foto da qualche parte e incolli qui il link magari ci capiamo)
infine c'è il problema che non potrò verificare per un po' di giorni, poichè sono di nuovo lontano dai miei kit... spero a breve di poterli riutilizzare
@@LukeLorusso Ciao, non riesco a caricare la foto su youtube. Comunque volevo chiederti....nel kit ti danno anche le manopole dei freni con il sensore. Ho visto che tu non le hai montate. In teoria essendoci il torque se io smetto di pedalare il motore smette di darmi assistenza e qualora io usi l'acceleratore se smetto di accelerare il motore smette di darmi assistenza giusto?
In caso contrario avendo i freni idraulici devo prendere i sensori magnetici.
@Andrea Barbolini questo è un argomento controverso. In molti sostengono la tua teoria e "teoricamente" dovrebbe essere come dici tu.
Io alla fine le ho montate le leve con i sensori.
La realtà è che quando smetti di pedalare il motore NON si interrompe immediatamente: c’è uno 0,5 - 1 secondo di ritardo tra quando smetti di pedalare e quando si interrompe il motore. In alcune situazioni, 1 secondo può essere molto determinante, specialmente se si è al massimo dell'assistenza...
Con i freni-sensore invece si interrompe istantaneamente.
Ultima osservazione: spesso mi trovo a partire con la marcia troppo alta, quindi prima di iniziare la pedalata tiro leggermente la leva-sensore per non ingaggiare il motore, quindi pedalo e cambio marcia; una volta cambiata, rilascio la leva e il motore riprende ad aiutarmi. Se non avessi montato il sensore, il motore sarebbe partito, causando un’accelerazione troppo forte, sforzando inutilmente la batteria e rischiando di rompere la catena...
Riassumendo: le leve-sensori fanno molta differenza! Se puoi cerca quelle adatte ai freni idraulici (non so dove trovarle ma forse su ebay...)
I have the 36 volt motor. Can I run on a 48v battery?
no man
@@LukeLorusso what happens if I connect a 48v battery to my 36v 250w tadz2 motor?
@@suratullahkhan6158 you'll overheat your motor and fry your controller
I was nervous with the battery balancing on the seat.😨
🤣 too much confidence that day, a beginner's reaction
ma la levetta è un acceleratore?
si si!
Quanto è costato tutto il kit?
il kit lo si trova a circa 300 EUR, la batteria dipende dalla capienza. io ho scelto un 36V 15.6Ah a circa 270 EUR
[IT] Il limite massimo di potenza nominale per le bici elettriche in Italia è di 250W. Anche limitando la velocità a 25Km/h, una bicicletta che sviluppi una potenza nominale maggiore di 250W (anche 500W) non si può usare sulle strade pubbliche Italiane. Chi lo fa si assume la responsabilità delle proprie azioni (e contravvenzioni).
Questo video è da intendersi a solo scopo dimostrativo e NON è da intendersi come esempio da imitare. Poichè è destinato ad un audience più ampio che l'Europa, è stato scelto un 500W come esempio per mostrare le capacità del motore.
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[FR] La puissance nominale maximale autorisée pour les vélos électriques en France est de 250W. Même si la vitesse est limitée à 25 km/h, un vélo qui développe une puissance nominale supérieure à 250W (même 500W) ne peut pas être utilisé sur la voie publique français. Ceux qui le font s'assument la responsabilité de leurs actions (et amendes).
Cette vidéo est finalisé uniquement à la démonstration et n'est PAS à un exemple à imiter. Comme il est destiné à un public plus large que l'Europe, un 500W a été choisi comme exemple pour montrer les capacités du moteur.
Quanto costa il kit completo
ua-cam.com/video/Z32RF3-bglY/v-deo.html
I bought 2 months ago from Aliexpress- Poland -Greenergy Electric Bike Store, Tongsheng TSDZ2 500W motor. It only drives on the rotating ring (gas) and the crank pressure sensor DOES NOT OPERATE! Aliexpress REJECTED my complaint! They sell waste!
that's why I prefer eBay. I tried buying a foldable bike on banggood... a good one (CMS F-16 plus) but it arrived destroyed. No refunds. I said to myself "never again pricy buy on chinese sites"
xarres molt i no ensenyes com collons ho has montat.
non è un tutorial! se è questo che cerchi questo video non fa per te
Well, what to say - this video didn't help much to be honest. Why you might ask? Well you didn't show anything about the "mechanical" stuff. The stuff that people are interested in. So yeah, not a good video.
That's true. Actually for that stuff there are other videos, like this one ua-cam.com/video/wThQH5Iy9uQ/v-deo.html that I linked in the description. I wanted to provide some more explanation of the issues I faced while following those video-guides. Maybe I should change the title... but anyway, now you know I did this and you can ask any questions you might have!