It will be really funny if the 10th Harbinger is the robot mecha that with Sandrone as he/it already shown and literally in front everyone eyes but no one suspect he/it is one.
Shouldn’t it be mentioned in the video’s description then ? All of them are listed, it would be weird to leave it out only to reveal later it was the 10th Harbinger…
@@luckykuudere8385 not really, thoses mentioned are thoses who have talked, the tsaritsa is presumed to be the one playing chess with pierro but she didn't talked and was not in the list either, the robot also didn't talk
That actually makes some sense. If they mecha were to serve as a secret agent of sorts, blending in with the Gardemeks to gather info, it’d be a genius strategy.
why not use *they/them instead? but that's actually a really nice theory, and i believe the meka/ruin guardian that is always at the back of the marionette sandrone is in fact alain guillotin and the doll is created by him in the likeness of his sister, mary-ann guillotin.
It's most likely that Crepus was a double-agent, working for the Tsaritsa as a Fatui Harbinger while in truth being loyal to the Knights of Favonius. Then somehow his cover got blown and the Fatui used Ursa to assassinate him.
I dont think so because Crepus was rejected from joining the Knights by Varka most likely because of Crepus's identity as a Harbinger. He most likely didnt was against the Gnoses Hunt and left the Harbingers because of that and was branded as a Traitor
@@nothmm8582 If Varka had made him an official Knight that could've blown his cover. The Fatui would find it kinda weird if he suddenly joined the Knights of Favonius when he didn't have orders to do so. Sure, it's also possible that he wasn't a double agent from the start and later became a turncoat, but him joining the Knights would still look very suspicious.
@@nothmm8582This makes him a great candidate for a double-agent. A public showing of rejection visibly severs any connection between them- if it’s successful, the Fatui would have no reason to suspect him of being a double agent. I suspect that Kaeya has a similar position within the knights because of his curious title- he’s a “cavalry captain” without the cavalry.
It's mostly like Crepus. In the manga, it doesn't make sense as to why the Fatui would invest effort to assasinate Crepus. Most probably he betrayed the Harbingers and they had to unalive him. Brighella is also a tavern owner and everyone knows who is the original owner of Angel share. Plus, remember a 3-star sword called 'Harbinger of Dawn'? Its probably a giveaway theory that there is a Harbinger from Dawn Winery
For some reason, I can't get one thing out of my head, no matter how far-fetched it currently is: Considering that there's also a missing 10th Enigmatic Page in the Book of Esoteric Revelations, there might be something strange going on with the number 10 in Teyvat. A missing 10th Harbinger, and a missing 10th Enigmatic Page... It's just too tempting to draw a connection between the two. But I'll admit, I can't actually think of other instances in the game where the number 10 is suspiciously absent. I guess I'll just keep my eyes open for the foreseeable future, to see whether or not any other missing 10s will try to sneak their way past us...
@@DavidJohnson-ib1dh ... I actually didn't notice that before. Holy damn, it really is! Maybe I should really look into this far more seriously. Twice might be a coincidence, but thrice? (Yes, it may still be a coincidence, but that'd be a boring explanation xD) Thank you for pointing this out!
It is a stretch but the Hypostasi code-names: they are letters from the Hebrew alphabet, but they skip the 6th letter, as well as the 8th through 15th. Curiously, all of the currently missing Harbingers find their number in the skipped sections. Probably just a coincidence, but a curious one nonetheless.
Numbers hold a.hidden meaning in this game so fare..you guys Remember about the five hundred mora asked by dainsleif or nahida saying we are in 168th Samsara which Is the Number of materials for sscending..hoyo loves to tease lore conoissures❤
It all makes sense now, Crepes having a delusion, why the fatui sent a dragon on him (probably because crepus betrayed them) of which made Diluc hate the fatui.
It's definitely either crepus or someone in dilucs family. The only constellation on the harbinger wheel which can't be attributed to anyone is the Hopi hand (hand with a swirl in it). It's a native American symbol and literally the only character we know from natlan (genshin native America) is Vanessa. Diluc and his dad are direct descendants of Vanessa, +dilucs dad just happened to have a delusion which just happens to not have any side effects (like harbinger delusions)
to be fair - character development for the diluc is evidence against that theory. There is nothing MHY writers hate more than character development of any kind.
The fact that Dotorre indirectly contributed to the death of Crepus made it seem like it was an order from Pierro, as how he was also ordered to handle the infiltration in Inazuma. The reason I can think is how Crepus seems like that character who did "some" things on his earlier years and later on settled down when he had a family. Similar to Nathan Drake from the Uncharted franchise or Kratos from the God of War. Which made him a liability or loose end to the operations of the Fatui. Also, his connections to the Hexenzirkel does not make his position good at the slightest.
@@BadassHatdogThe Fatui attached a device on the Carriage that Crepus and Diluc were riding.. I think it either 1, made Ursa go beserk or 2, made the Delusion go haywire which could led to his demise
I like to think that when we walk into Snezhnaya expecting a bossfight we're just going to find Pierro and the Tsaritsa chillin playing chess with the gnoses XD
My personal theory is that the 10th is someone who betrayed the Fatui and was "erased", and that's why they and thier position os never even spoken of. This could have happened centuries ago, relatively soon after the founding of the Fatui, explaining why someone like Childe has no knowledge of them. One possibility it the popular theory that Crepus was a harbinger, explaining how he got his hands on a Delusion and why the attack of Ursa that Dotorre triggered just happened to target Crepus. Or it's simply someone we haven't heard of yet.
I don't think we can totally dismiss erasure through Irminsul just because it's been done. It depends on how they use setup and payoff. It's possible one use of the 10th as vanished is that they were willingly vanished and their story archived as a story so that only the 10th and Pierrot are removed who they are. The ultimate secret agent, nobody in the entire world but themselves and their boss know they exist. It would be an interesting twist after Wanderer's story.
Problem is that there is no one who can alter Irmunsul other than Nahida and briefly Wanderer. Well that we know of. It would be a huge deal if someone else could do it.
Things is, even if Scaramouch erase his 'existance' the 6th seat is still mentioned in game, but correct me if I'm wrong the 10th seat is never mentioned, document or NPC dialogues, that why It's so strange
@@hirods9889 It is mentioned only in the sense that there are 11 Fatui Harbingers, and thus the implication that a 10th seat exists. Otherwise, yeah, nothing.
Crepus really fits to be the 10th Harbinger. The only point against this is why he is never mentioned by any of the harbinger or even in the lore. Hoyo would definitely put some hints like in artifact lore (the pale flame) but they didn't. Even if he was a traitor to the harbingers, I don't understand why the Fatui would go so far to make him a Taboo topic especially since some of the harbingers don't like following the rules (e.g. Childe and Scaramouche).
i think 10th is crepus might be the 10th code named brighella, since brighella is the only one missing on the fatui commedia del arte names not to mention brighella is a master who owns a tavern
I believe that the 10th Harbinger was the closest to the Tsaritsa, they both share one thing in common, no mention of their ideal/name. It’s been theorized that Tsaritsa has or had the ideal of Love, and there is a commedia dell’arte character(s) that also follows the ideal of Love, the Innamorati, the Lovers. There are many possibilities as to what happened to the 10th Harbringer in this case, two possibilities that I’d love to entertain. They died, and the Tsaritsa became so heartbroken by this, that her ideal of Love became a silent topic, as well as the 10th position, so the 10th Harbringer has became a Taboo subject. Or … the 10th Harbinger is being ostracized from the Fatui Organization completely. Im still collecting evidence to support this possibility because … it’s a direction I want to personally look into, so that’s why I even mentioned it to begin with. Since it is such an interesting idea.
If the Tsaritsa is a direct Bronya parallel for Genshin like Sustainer is Kiana, Venti is Wendy, Ei is Mei, Nahida is Theresa, etc etc. I could see the tenth having been a Seele parallel with this, (since while she's similar, Furina is more of a parallel to Sin Malin) playing with Bronya and Seele always being tied together with all their appearances, could imagine she's even frozen to love forever basically and while being dead isnt "dead" and thus also why its not mentioned as the position is always filled yet absent.
@@BulletBillSoilder yeah, had the same thoughts as well. Had a further realization with the most popular theory that Crepus is the 10th Harbinger. Well, I want to open up the more plausible situation of Crepus being a Fatuus that followed the 10th Harbinger. Lyney asked Arlecchino for a Delusion, so the Harbingers have the authority of bestowing Delusions as well. We don’t know much about the Delusions that Harbingers possess, but going off of what we know about Signora and Childe, a Harbinger is given a Delusion if they already possess a power that can combat its influence, otherwise … they won’t be a Harbinger for long, makes sense right? And since Crepus was rapidly dying from usage of the Delusion, he most definitely didn’t possess the Harbinger strength to acquire a Delusion. So yeah … Crepus was a Fatui soldier in all likelihood, not a Fatui Harbinger. The reason his death was planned out wasn’t because he was a traitor, but because he retired. He retired from working under the Taboo/Ostracized Harbinger, therefore he must be silenced. This would indicate that the 10th Harbinger is still very much around and active. (I was rereading the Genshin Manga to look for a certain page, but couldn’t find it, but I do believe I found the Cryo Archons name! When Collei is being attacked by Kaeya’s Cryo powers, the Archon Residue inside of Collei says “oh, this sickening power. So what if it’s from Barnabas, just kill him.” So like … Barnabas has to be the current Cryo Archon, right? This dialogue is in Chapter 11)
@@TinkRomero Barnabas is the name of the indian looking desert dweller fatuus that worked with Dottore to experiment on those kids, so not the Tsaritsa I'm afraid. The whole Bronya thing comes from CBT voice lines from Childe I believe where he name drops that, otherwise it has some lining up with what Venti says in CBT too a bit since its confirmed that CBT line was mis-translated a bit and the Barnabas spoken of there was supposed to be Barbatos in reference to himself saying he has a good eye for people. As we know though, Venti's lines about the other archons changed between CBTs and the actual release of the characters, such as there only being one electro archon and Ei was indeed Baal instead of Beezelbul, Sumeru having a more controlling culture with the Dendro Archon banning alcohol (which we know isn't true), etc. etc. so they're not exactly reliable. If you want her Ars Goetia name, I know it has been in a confirmed leak as said leak got some other archons who didn't release or have any info at the time get their names accurately. But since its a leak I think its best to not directly call it out here or any youtube video about Genshin. That said some things from the CBT are reliable, sort of, considering for one the drip marketing for the Travelers (yes they had drip marketing which like the others drip marketing blurbs doesn't seem to have been retconned) is signed by Kevin Kaslana of Honkai Impact fame and their backstory description from CBT backs up this connection despite it not being in the final release. So if anything, unless its directly contradicted in Genshin currently, I'd take anything from the CBT with a grain of salt. Its probably safe to assume it may be accurate still but also shouldn't be used as a solid pillar for anything as it might have been changed if there's no other information backing that up. But yeah I personally don't subscribe to the Crepus theory from what you said already. Think it may be more plausible the 10th is the frozen lover of the Cyro Archon which considering the patterns and such of Genshin so far I personally believe to be a version of Bronya and thus it makes sense to me the 10th is a version of Seele since in Gun Girls Z (Houkai Impact 2nd), HI3rd, even Star Rail for the version of Bronya on Belobog have a Seele they got romantic ties with (though with the things called Seelies in the game, I wouldn't be surprised with this pattern as well if her name changed or she's just named "Vollerei" instead). That or we've already seen the 10th Harbinger in the video for Signora's funeral but because they didn't speak they didn't get name dropped, and yes I mean the ruin guard looking thing may be the missing Harbinger and it's not too far fetched from the realm of possibilities considering we have robots and "robots" that are basically "alive" though I personally prefer the idea of the 10th having been someone the Tsaritsa loved at some point. That or well, considering they have the model and art still in the game files to this day, and despite the original beta versions of Kokomi and Shenhe being removed and those characters still getting in the game... entirely possible the 10th Harbinger is the beta protagonist, Kate Kaslana, just retooled to be a Fatui Harbinger rather than the protagonist of the game that was a Knight of Favonious.
This is an interesting theory. My theory was always that the 10th seat was left empty for plot and to give us as the traveler a way into Snezhnaya without being jumped on sight. But I like your theory and find it comparable to Aphrodite from Greek mythology. Though it's well established that she was lovers with Ares, the God of War. I believe she also had a human love interest known as Adonis. A beautiful and gentle boy. Could be that the 10th was done in by some God or even another Harbinger. Pierro in the commedia dellarte was shown to pine and want for Columbina but in Genshin could be that he loves the Tsaritsa and out of jealousy struck down the 10th harbinger and lied about how they died. Such a revelation could even cause a rift between the Jester and the Tsaritsa, forcing him to return to the ruins of Khaenri'ah our next stop. Who knows
I like how they put Fischl so suspicious with her music demo, music dungeon and music skin with Diluc (who has more oportunity to take the place of Crepus if was a harbinger) and with the name Amy of the ars goetia, with a familiar when nobody has something like that; and no ones think about that b'cuz is so sus and funny no one would believe if her can be a harbinger
Regardless of why the 10th seat isn't meantioned (and is probably vacant), I think it's probably because hoyo will have a new harbinger rise in the snezhnaya chapter and they dont want to actively kick a harbinger out of the ranks. They could be the travaler, but also a fatui agent like lyney, lynette or freminet. They could either take 10th place or childe would move up for the new harbinger to become 11th
bruh tbh Lyney and Lynette do not look like they could be harbingers they're just orphans from the House of Hearth and can at best just be part of the intelligence division of the fatui. Them becoming harbingers is 10 times less likely than the traveler becoming one.
I feel like if brighella was truly a harbinger then the possibility of him being opposite of his comedia counterpart is really enticing and that could mean that he was seen as a traitor for maybe opposing the Fatui as he would be someone far nicer than the ruthless and cruel comedia brighella maybe even creating a family like a certain creepus 🤨
I dont think the 10th harbinger is missing with the sole reasoning being in Tartaglia's collected miscellany with Dainsleif saying "... of the Eleven Harbingers Ten concern themselves with clandestine operations Tartaglia is the sole exception... " implying that all 11 harbingers were alive and know at this point in time at least to Dainsleif though things could have changed since the video is nearly 3 years old but this is the closest thing have to knowing what the 10th does as little as one word though like i said before Tartaglia's collected miscellany nearly 3 years old so it could be outdated information
Here’s my take: You mentioned SCP-055, which is an anomaly you immediately forget. I think that the 10th is also comparable to another SCP, SCP-048. SCP-048 is an anomaly in which if anything was classified as it, it immediately becomes nonexistent, similar to how the Patter Screamers work. But there isn’t much to back up the 10th being a nonexistent role in the rankings, so take this with a grain of salt.
Only question about Brighella in terms of the Comedia. If he was so vile in terms of the play, doesn’t the opposite usually happen in Genshin. Like wasn’t Tartaglia an old man and usually they use different takes when applying the characters in genshin.
@@manoharalisa5829 no Lyney and Lynette are just members of the House of Hearth which works as the intelligence division of the fatui also all harbingers are loyal to the tssaritsa but lyney and lynette arent - they are loyal to arlecchino
Just want to point out a little thing since my mother tounge is italian, the word "brighella" is also used to describe a "naughty" child, for example if a mother says: "Please don't do *x*", and child does exactly *x*, she could say: "You're such a brighella!", it's not really offensive, is more of a "cute insult", so maybe Brighella could just be a naughty/bratty person.
Finally, this is the one theory I've been waiting for so eagerly ever since we saw all the harbingers, even if we didn't know their numbers, I knew one was missing
I think the "abyss" Sibling might have become a Harbinger during their travel through Teyvat, while they were still a Descender.... and then rewritten by Irminsul as neither.
Personal idea is that since the Tsaritsa's embodies the principle of Love, or used to, that the 10th Harbinger is the Innamorati and her personal servant.
Lots of good suggestions by the other commentators so im only gonna add another possibility. The 10th harbinger could be a personal aide to the Tsaritsa. One who never leaves her side and thus is never shown not even at the meetings.
I feel like the 10th harbinger being erased from Irminsul is practically the only explanation though. They quite literally do not exist beyond the implication of Tartaglia not being strong enough to be greater than the 11th harbinger and the last constellation. No one talks about them, no one talks about the 10th seat, they don't ever appear in-game or in videos, they're not in any voice lines or artifact lore... If they were erased from time, either as a harbinger or their entire existence, Childe should be the 10th harbinger because no one would have any memory of there ever being another 10th aside from the one who did the erasing. If it were someone in secret, then who and why? Dottore has already infiltrated different nations incognito at least twice + his army of clones; Arlecchino, Childe, and Signora were all diplomats + Arle has the HotH to do more spywork for her; Pantalone is one of the richest people in Teyvat with a hold on the international economy; why would they need a specialized spy unit or otherwise when so many other harbingers can do that with barely any effort expended? If they're instead responsible for something like the Abyss, forbidden knowledge, or the Primordial one, I think it was pretty well established that that was delegated to Scaramouche, likely because his artificial form couldn't be corrupted by those forces in the same way a human form could. So they are either resistant to those forces or cannot be changed elsewise, which we don't have any evidence of and I don't think Scaramouche would be shy about saying anything if they were like him or some sort of abyssal being. But it's still strange. Iirc, one would need to have either resonated with the dendro gnosis or become a god to be able to do so themselves, and Scara was a unique case in that he was literally built to house a gnosis and then built to become a god. Humans can't ascend to godhood without a vision, and Childe is the only harbinger so far with one (Scara doesn't count and Delusions share the same models as Visions). And it's strange that there's literally zero mention of the 10th harbinger at all, there should at least be some remark about how "the 10th seat has been empty for a long time" or "the 10th harbinger has died/been dead for awhile". Either that, or the 10th harbinger defected/died, no one is allowed to mention them, and there is no need to talk about them. Maybe their defection/death was genuine, maybe it was a plan to erase their figurative existence from Teyvat? Maybe they're up in space, trailblazing across the universe, taking selfies with PomPom?
That's possible. After Scaramouche erased himself, the 6th position was left empty for a long time in a new reality, probably the same happened to the 10th. But because of his/her position, no one really talk about it.
I think what happened is that the 10th seat was exiled and is likely somewhere lying low in Natlan/snezhnaya. Or at the very least the 10th harbinger tried to leave and deserted the entire organization and they dont know where they are. Probably in natlan hiding somewhere and maybe bina and capitano tasked with retrieving them or killing them?
the traveler becoming brighella would be interesting because our main goal still is finding our siblign so we would have our very own agenda and trying to achieve it at all cost, even betraying our new comrades. i really like that idea and it would be a way better title than captain of swordfish ii =D
Since Harbingers can get promoted by defeating higher number in a duel, if Traveler wanted to join Fatui, 8th rank is for him/her. We already defeated Signora. So 10th rank isn't waiting for us
I don't know if I can see the Traveler joining the Fatui if only because some of the Harbingers have done some really messed-up shit and I can't imagine the leaps and bounds their personality would have to take to be willing to be in the same room as the Harbingers at all (not that the Traveler's personality isn't inconsistent already but that's on another level). I could however see the Tsaritsa being an ally of the Traveler, or at least the two having some sort of mutually beneficial relationship; even if the Tsaritsa is, in theory, enabling all of the Harbingers to carry out their terrible schemes by giving them so much power, the game has distanced her from the Fatui significantly and I feel like it's possible that's what they're setting up. Not to mention, I wouldn't even call the 'Fatui' a single faction considering how much the Harbingers hate each other, so it's really difficult for the Traveler or really anyone to be allied with the Fatui as a whole.
i think that the 10th seat of the harbinger is more like a carrot trap. Like when someone is trying to find something out about the Fatui, they in theory could find something about every harbinger, besides the 10th seat, what would cause something like anxiety. This Unkown factor that just few know would let the Harbinger be in advantage when it comes around to Psychological Battles.
I think we are going to be a Harbinger at the end but we are going to be the 1st Harbinger, Capitano is second (or we will be the 10th, point is we will become a Harbinger). That will only happen when we will be at Snezhnaya already. We are Honorary Knight in Mondstadt, and other titles in different regions, at the end of Traveler’s journey and experience when he realized that Fatui’s motives and will join the Fatui. We are probably the missing piece.
After watching this theory a thought popped in my head What if traveler's twin is the 10th and is kept secret as an expansion of fatui in the abyss without requiring to be with fatui Since we know already our twin also has traveled teyvat with dainsleif and tsaritsa 'changed' persona for unknown reason
It would be so cool if at the end we had the choice to join the fatui or the abyss with lumine, and the game would have 2 endings, both of them being going against celestia
Personally, I love the theory that the traveler is the future 10th harbinger (maybe our sibling was the 10th a long time ago? idk that's kinda crack but I like it still). I would assume that the missing harbinger is Innamorati, which is meant to be two characters. The commedia centers around the "lovers" and trying to reunite them together (ahem Aether and Lumine anyone?) What is also funny is this could also relate to the traveler and Paimon. If we do become the 10th, I'm sure Paimon will also be included in that as we are a BOGO deal lol. And yeah, I know the lovers in the play isn't a platonic love, but thats okay because love is love no matter how you shake it. We love our sibling and Paimon and they love us in return. Edit: and reading more of the Innamorati's personality traits, it is kinda uncannily similar to how Paimon acts
My personal take is that the 10th was so volatile (or, perhaps did something against the Fatui or the Tsaritsa herself) that the Fatui had them killed.
I really want to know if the Tsaritsa is an honorary Fatui Harbinger Inamorata the way the Jester is the honorary Director. In this case, could the empty spot be dedicated for her missing Inamorati and Tartaglia was a “Well, crap. This kid is the Abyss incarnate. We can’t just let him run loose. Better make a new seat to keep him under control,” fluke?
What I find interesting about Crepus is that in the manga (if I remember it right) we never actually see his whole face/ his eyes specifically. Doesn't prove anything, I just found it a bit strange because we see the eyes of basically every other person in the manga.
I find the expelled theory a bit hard to believe, mostly because of Dottore's existence. It would have to be more vile then child exprimentation and allowing children to be put into an arena to fight to the death for the amusement of others (as seen in the manga), and he's quick to get rid of people when hes done with them, then possibly experiment on them. (Oh and theres also what happened with the Akasha) Wanderer also says that he wonders if the Tsaritsa is over compensating for something with her kindness, my impression from that is that she knows that some of her people are probably doing really terrible things but wants to ignore it because to her the ends justify the means. (But thats just my opinion) But I do think the fatui would get rid of someone if that person betrayed them then never mention this person ever again out of disgust, many of them do seem very loyal to the Tsaritsa so betraying her would probably be a pretty terrible offense. I'm actually pretty sold on the Crepus theory.
My theory is, The 10th Harbinger is a Traitor so that's why Number 10th Never got mentioned. At least for now. Eyy remember this if it's actually true in the future😂
Given that this was made 6 months ago, we wouldn’t have known alecchino’s backstory short. But in it when she’s recruited only Pierro, Capitano who’s #1 Scaramouche who’s #6 and Signora who’s #8 watch become the fourth harbinger you’d think that harbingers like Pulcinella or Sandrone would come but they didn’t because they weren’t recruited yet. Me aiming that when Pierro recruits someone to become a harbinger he’s giving them the rank and role that fits them best. If we haven’t seen the 10th harbinger it’s probably because there is no 10th harbinger
not to say that the 10th harbinger is definitely still around and that you're definitely wrong or anything, but I do think you were a bit quick to dismiss the 10th harbinger being a secret. because who's to say scaramouche was a high enough rank to know about them? he was still subject to manipulation and experimentation by higher ranking harbingers, so it's not like he knew everything either. if they're meant to be a tightly kept secret, perhaps only the top 3 know about them, or perhaps even only pierro and the tsaritsa. again, not saying that this is definitely the case, but I don't think we can entirely write off the secret harbinger theory yet.
heres hoping the old 10th was crepus(diluc's dad) and was considered a "volatile liar" because he never truly pledged to the tsaritsa and was only a member for the mutual benefits so long as he didnt get in the tsaritsa's way. which would open the door for the traveller to become the 10th (we've canonically bested 2 harbingers and 1 with the help of an archon) since we fit the power requirement to out rank childe. The traveller has slaughtered plenty of fatui agents and routinely been a fork in fatui plans. We also have the grounds laid for an uneasy alliance with the fatui given arlecchino's proposal, our friendship with childe, and our distrust of celestia. All things considered the traveller could be a violent, volatile, and uneasy ally in the eyes of the tsaritsa fitting the role of "Brighella" amongst the fatui. We also are strong enough to take up the 10th spot(11th at worst, 7/8 ish at best). but what our role in the fatui could truly be which fits perfectly with the current situation surrounding the 10th, is none at all. all this time the 10th never truly existing could be our fault, because the 10th IS us. no one would suspect us and who else has been closer to multiple archons and subsequently present for the taking of a gnosi than us? After Liyue it's quite possible that the fatui have included us in their plans. I mean we're used as a bargaining chip to get the gnosi in scara's hands. unknowingly and unwillingly we have been present in most fatui scheme's surrounding the gnosi thus far. and if we do end up formally joining we would be a valuable asset to the fatui because of how close to the archons we are, we would be the perfect liar, the people's hero that's actually working for the fatui all along.
Imagine nobody bothering to warn us about the 10th Harbinger, because it's a giant dragon that is exactly as dangerous as he looks. And he also isn't invited to social gatherings because he doesn't fit indoors.
Btw? Now that we know a lot about them all is it possible to gauge just how far removed from the Comedia characters the harbingers all are? None of them match, right? It was all a huge red herring wasn't it? None of that Comedia law was useful in the end? Same with the Ars Goetia? For a while it almost seemed like the harbingers were the OPPOSITE of their Comedia counterparts, but even there I just don't think there's any match. It was all misinformation.
There is also the possibility of the traveller being recruited into the fatui as number 10. Arlecchino is being set up as an ally in Fontaine, and even if she has dark intentions, she seems to want to work with the traveller. Given that childe is favourable to the traveller, and we know that at least Pulcinella will also be playable, I expect major reveals in the future which cause the traveller to align themselves at least partially with the fatui. Overall, most of the remaining harbingers actually don't seem completely terrible. Dottore is the most problematic, but that may just be one particularly nasty segment, whilst the others are more reasonable. Arlecchino is supposed to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, but I still think she'll be enough of an ally to be playable. Other than that it's just columbina being creepy or Pulcinella being greedy, which is manageable.
@@AndrewsMobs the keyword 'was'. As in, became only for a little bit. Obviosly, full-powered abyss sibling is if not equal to the unknown god we faced, at least considerable threat to them.. As for us, yeah. Atm we are around 6th harbinger.. though, by the time we reach snezhnaya we would be around 1st or even Founder... if not better. I wonder how powerful we would be in khaenriah, since mc actually learns more about battle and whatchanot-seems like they didn't really have many fight between their kind before teyvat
Traveler definitely appears to be joining the Fatui. If it happens, I think it happens here in Fontaine. I can see Arlecchino recruiting him, and the assistance begins in Natlan; which will be a nation at war anyways. It potentially diverges from the abyss sibling, but she/he did state we're supposed to finish our journey first. Gaining knowledge from Fatui would be a good aspect of it. Besides, Aether/Lumine already know the truth, we don't know it yet.
Would like in future to able to choose a side, an harbinger, follow your sibling in the abyss or to oppose their ideology , go with tartaglia and betray the fatui, or go against divintity to save a cursed race, or a route more focused on being a sage of buer
Another take could be that (although I believe more in your options) the new thing they are gonna show us with the tenth is the process of choosing a harbinger. In here, the previous tenth could have died (not necessarily crepus but it can be too) time ago, way before the story started, and since the they have been looking for a new one to fill the place instead of raising tartaglia in rank but can’t find anyone due to the nations being so close on themselves and later us, helping in teyvat
The number 10 in numerology is connected to self reliance and to the Wheel of Fortune tarot card. Who has the Wheel of Fortune constellation? Thats right. The 10th Harbinger is Bennett. Self reliant, absolutely broken support, boken da boken. Think about it. His lore states that he was an orphan found in the Mare Javari. He has many dads. Is a member of the Adventures Guild (which is the top intelligence field with least suspision, allowing him to go wherever.) He is super resiliant in lore, which would be a useful trait. The fatui dont invoke him because that would be invoking bad fortune, so by having Benny siphon away all the bad luck, the fatui can continuously succeed. No wonder the fatui get away with taking all the gnosis from the gods 😂😂😂 benny is op 😂😂😂
Having a secret harbinger would be cool but why have him rank 10? He'd be higher. Or more likely not have a rank at all. Or be rank 12 or zero. If it's a secret then don't give away the secret by issuing them a number that clearly prompts questions. And if it's a secret from the rank and file Fatui then why don't the two in Mondstadt mention rank 10 as unfilled along with rank 6 and 8? Well maybe that last point is too meta. But think about forming a group of 11 heroes and having an extra one, a secret one. He'd be number 12, right? He wouldn't have a number. You'd say "the eleven heroes" not "the twelve heroes".
Traveler has mask assets to become a harbinger, so it's possible. Another one that has a mask asset, namely Diluc. Diluc's costume has chain accessories like his father, Master Crepus's moves when he uses his delusional moves (in the manga). So, basically, possibly the 10th Harbinger, Traveler or Diluc, or another new character. just a personal opinion.
What if the abyss sibling held the tenth seat but they found out about her connections to the abyss and so the tenth seat was left empty (maybe she was trying to get the two to work together considering they both regard celestia as the common enemy)
I feel like it's either one of two things, The first being the 10th harbinger was Crepus and he was assassinated by the Fatui using Ursa the drake or that the 10th is a completely different person/ new character that will be greatly expanded upon at a later point in time like possibily we get a mention of them in Natlan and then get the full story in snezhaya The second option being the 10th harbinger is alive and is serving some kind of more unique purpose and we meet them later in the story
I want the Traveller to get the 10th place in the Fatui BUT I also like the theory that Crepus WAS the 10th it'll be poetic specially if Diluc somehow gets involved it might make a really heart felt scene also Being smart and somewhat antagonist to the other characters harbinger both Crepus and The Traveller checks those marks
I don't personally have an opinion of what the situation on the 10th harbinger could be, but I just want to say that I love how this video is set up, how you go through all the possible scenarios of what could be going on instead of just picking whichever one you think it is & only going with that. It gives a much better idea of what the situation could possibly be.
Those exploring fontaine must have noticed a tower east of fontaine inaccessible as of 4.1 now, If Snezhnaya too has a tower somewhat like that, counting the 3 towers - fontaine one, snezhnaya one and mondstadt one(stormterror's tower), all three can possibly pinpoint towards celestia in centre, possibly a way to get into celestia after unlocking some kind of hidden mechanic still hidden in them, what do y'all think?
Honestly the idea of Traveler becoming a 10th is so stupid right now,it was possible around Li Yue arc, but now Traveler already defeated Tartaglia,Signora,Scara, the next one is probably Arlecchino and in Natlan Capitano, so when traveler finally reached Sneznaya only above him/her would be Pierro and Tsaritsa. I see if Traveler becomes one of them It will be a 1 or zero like Pierro,since really during a Sneznaya arc traveler is stronger then every Harbinger,have political and archon influence to all territories much more then any of Harbingers, and for him/her just accepting 10th would be so unrealistical and stupid.
If Crepus turns out to be the misisng Harbinger, that would also open new speculations about why and how he adopted Kaeya. I personally believe Pierro is somehow connected to his adoption since his design is complementary to Kaeya's and the fact that Crepus gifted Diluc a uniform on his birthday that quite resembles common Fatui gear. And maybe this is a stretch but his look in the manga gave me the heebie-jeebies because they didn't draw his eyes and his talk with Diluc in the carriage moments before Ursa's attack was also suspicious as hell
I also believe the 10th Harbinger resides in Snezhnaya. If I were to write this character, I would model them after Grand Admiral Thrawn. Unlike the other Fatui Harbingers, who are ranked primarily by strength rather than wisdom or influence, the 10th Harbinger would be a wise and calm strategist, notable for not possessing a Vision nor a Delusion. They would inspire their subordinates through positive reinforcement, encouraging them to improve themselves and fight not for the Tsaritsa, but for Snezhnaya itself. To this Harbinger, the homeland takes precedence over the throne, fostering a sense of loyalty among their Fatui followers that surpasses their allegiance to the Tsaritsa. This would create an internal tension, as high-ranking Fatui military members would question where their loyalties lie: with the Tsaritsa, or with the 10th Harbinger and Snezhnaya alone. The 10th Harbinger believes that the Tsaritsa’s actions may ultimately doom her people, which drives them to prepare for any contingency to ensure Snezhnaya’s survival. This character could serve as an ally to the Traveler in Snezhnaya, working alongside Childe to outmaneuver Pulcinella, Pantalone, Sandrone, and Columbina. Overall, this is just an opinion of how the 10th harbinger can be used.
being saying this for a while but the 10th spot of the fatui could be Inamorti (the lovers) which could either be The Traveler and the Abyssal Sibling or if Mihoyo is cooking then the House of Hearth siblings (Lyney, Lynette possibly Freminet).
I really like the theory about Harbinger traveler. My theory, like most of the internet at the moment is that it's actually Diluc's father and might be that the fact that maybe he's mother is a Hekzencircle witch she had something done with Irmensul? Like so he won't be remembered as the harbinger that he was and more as that guy from the Dawn winery, I don't know..
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It will be really funny if the 10th Harbinger is the robot mecha that with Sandrone as he/it already shown and literally in front everyone eyes but no one suspect he/it is one.
That what I actually believe 😂
Shouldn’t it be mentioned in the video’s description then ? All of them are listed, it would be weird to leave it out only to reveal later it was the 10th Harbinger…
@@luckykuudere8385 not really, thoses mentioned are thoses who have talked, the tsaritsa is presumed to be the one playing chess with pierro but she didn't talked and was not in the list either, the robot also didn't talk
That actually makes some sense. If they mecha were to serve as a secret agent of sorts, blending in with the Gardemeks to gather info, it’d be a genius strategy.
why not use *they/them instead?
but that's actually a really nice theory, and i believe the meka/ruin guardian that is always at the back of the marionette sandrone is in fact alain guillotin and the doll is created by him in the likeness of his sister, mary-ann guillotin.
It's most likely that Crepus was a double-agent, working for the Tsaritsa as a Fatui Harbinger while in truth being loyal to the Knights of Favonius. Then somehow his cover got blown and the Fatui used Ursa to assassinate him.
I dont think so because Crepus was rejected from joining the Knights by Varka most likely because of Crepus's identity as a Harbinger. He most likely didnt was against the Gnoses Hunt and left the Harbingers because of that and was branded as a Traitor
@@nothmm8582 If Varka had made him an official Knight that could've blown his cover. The Fatui would find it kinda weird if he suddenly joined the Knights of Favonius when he didn't have orders to do so.
Sure, it's also possible that he wasn't a double agent from the start and later became a turncoat, but him joining the Knights would still look very suspicious.
@@nothmm8582This makes him a great candidate for a double-agent. A public showing of rejection visibly severs any connection between them- if it’s successful, the Fatui would have no reason to suspect him of being a double agent. I suspect that Kaeya has a similar position within the knights because of his curious title- he’s a “cavalry captain” without the cavalry.
Ursa suddenly came killed him then young Dottore came chopped Ursa coincidence i think not
Maybe becoming a father to diluc and kaeya made wanna quit the life of a harbinger and putting his kids in danger
It's mostly like Crepus. In the manga, it doesn't make sense as to why the Fatui would invest effort to assasinate Crepus. Most probably he betrayed the Harbingers and they had to unalive him.
Brighella is also a tavern owner and everyone knows who is the original owner of Angel share. Plus, remember a 3-star sword called 'Harbinger of Dawn'? Its probably a giveaway theory that there is a Harbinger from Dawn Winery
You know what else has never been mentioned? Natlan. Perhaps Brighella is in Natlan and subjected to the same gag order
It is weird we know so little bout a nation we will be visiting pretty soon
@@FlashKillerX
No. It’s not the first time Hoyo didn’t reveal much about a region we would be visiting
For some reason, I can't get one thing out of my head, no matter how far-fetched it currently is: Considering that there's also a missing 10th Enigmatic Page in the Book of Esoteric Revelations, there might be something strange going on with the number 10 in Teyvat. A missing 10th Harbinger, and a missing 10th Enigmatic Page... It's just too tempting to draw a connection between the two.
But I'll admit, I can't actually think of other instances in the game where the number 10 is suspiciously absent. I guess I'll just keep my eyes open for the foreseeable future, to see whether or not any other missing 10s will try to sneak their way past us...
well... just to throw you a bone isn't one of the ten sephiroths from the tree of life diagram in the first enigmatic page missing?
@@DavidJohnson-ib1dh ... I actually didn't notice that before. Holy damn, it really is! Maybe I should really look into this far more seriously. Twice might be a coincidence, but thrice? (Yes, it may still be a coincidence, but that'd be a boring explanation xD)
Thank you for pointing this out!
It is a stretch but the Hypostasi code-names: they are letters from the Hebrew alphabet, but they skip the 6th letter, as well as the 8th through 15th. Curiously, all of the currently missing Harbingers find their number in the skipped sections.
Probably just a coincidence, but a curious one nonetheless.
You’re onto something :0
Numbers hold a.hidden meaning in this game so fare..you guys Remember about the five hundred mora asked by dainsleif or nahida saying we are in 168th Samsara which Is the Number of materials for sscending..hoyo loves to tease lore conoissures❤
I still believe that Crepus was Brighella. It makes sense and would give Diluc an incredible character development opportunity
It all makes sense now, Crepes having a delusion, why the fatui sent a dragon on him (probably because crepus betrayed them) of which made Diluc hate the fatui.
It's definitely either crepus or someone in dilucs family. The only constellation on the harbinger wheel which can't be attributed to anyone is the Hopi hand (hand with a swirl in it). It's a native American symbol and literally the only character we know from natlan (genshin native America) is Vanessa. Diluc and his dad are direct descendants of Vanessa, +dilucs dad just happened to have a delusion which just happens to not have any side effects (like harbinger delusions)
to be fair - character development for the diluc is evidence against that theory.
There is nothing MHY writers hate more than character development of any kind.
@@cream9292but his delusion did have a setback
@@cream9292and they’re not descended from Venessa tho
I feel like the tenth could be Crepus with that odd looking delusion that one of Dottere’s clones have
One of ashikai’s speculation as well
@@moonykash yup
The fact that Dotorre indirectly contributed to the death of Crepus made it seem like it was an order from Pierro, as how he was also ordered to handle the infiltration in Inazuma.
The reason I can think is how Crepus seems like that character who did "some" things on his earlier years and later on settled down when he had a family. Similar to Nathan Drake from the Uncharted franchise or Kratos from the God of War. Which made him a liability or loose end to the operations of the Fatui. Also, his connections to the Hexenzirkel does not make his position good at the slightest.
The Crepus is Brighella continues to thrive
@@BadassHatdogThe Fatui attached a device on the Carriage that Crepus and Diluc were riding.. I think it either 1, made Ursa go beserk or 2, made the Delusion go haywire which could led to his demise
I like to think that when we walk into Snezhnaya expecting a bossfight we're just going to find Pierro and the Tsaritsa chillin playing chess with the gnoses XD
My personal theory is that the 10th is someone who betrayed the Fatui and was "erased", and that's why they and thier position os never even spoken of. This could have happened centuries ago, relatively soon after the founding of the Fatui, explaining why someone like Childe has no knowledge of them. One possibility it the popular theory that Crepus was a harbinger, explaining how he got his hands on a Delusion and why the attack of Ursa that Dotorre triggered just happened to target Crepus. Or it's simply someone we haven't heard of yet.
Then why wouldn't Wanderer mention that?
@@AndrewsMobsIf a threat isn't a threat anymore, I suppose there's no need to mention it ?
I don't think we can totally dismiss erasure through Irminsul just because it's been done. It depends on how they use setup and payoff. It's possible one use of the 10th as vanished is that they were willingly vanished and their story archived as a story so that only the 10th and Pierrot are removed who they are. The ultimate secret agent, nobody in the entire world but themselves and their boss know they exist. It would be an interesting twist after Wanderer's story.
Problem is that there is no one who can alter Irmunsul other than Nahida and briefly Wanderer. Well that we know of. It would be a huge deal if someone else could do it.
Things is, even if Scaramouch erase his 'existance' the 6th seat is still mentioned in game, but correct me if I'm wrong the 10th seat is never mentioned, document or NPC dialogues, that why It's so strange
@@hirods9889 It is mentioned only in the sense that there are 11 Fatui Harbingers, and thus the implication that a 10th seat exists. Otherwise, yeah, nothing.
@@effortlessfury yeah that weird that even the seat is never mentioned
As long as you have divine power you can alter Irminsul, the Harbingers have plenty of gnosis they can use. @@Jack_Ss
Crepus really fits to be the 10th Harbinger. The only point against this is why he is never mentioned by any of the harbinger or even in the lore. Hoyo would definitely put some hints like in artifact lore (the pale flame) but they didn't. Even if he was a traitor to the harbingers, I don't understand why the Fatui would go so far to make him a Taboo topic especially since some of the harbingers don't like following the rules (e.g. Childe and Scaramouche).
i think 10th is crepus might be the 10th code named brighella, since brighella is the only one missing on the fatui commedia del arte names not to mention brighella is a master who owns a tavern
I believe that the 10th Harbinger was the closest to the Tsaritsa, they both share one thing in common, no mention of their ideal/name. It’s been theorized that Tsaritsa has or had the ideal of Love, and there is a commedia dell’arte character(s) that also follows the ideal of Love, the Innamorati, the Lovers.
There are many possibilities as to what happened to the 10th Harbringer in this case, two possibilities that I’d love to entertain. They died, and the Tsaritsa became so heartbroken by this, that her ideal of Love became a silent topic, as well as the 10th position, so the 10th Harbringer has became a Taboo subject.
Or … the 10th Harbinger is being ostracized from the Fatui Organization completely.
Im still collecting evidence to support this possibility because … it’s a direction I want to personally look into, so that’s why I even mentioned it to begin with. Since it is such an interesting idea.
If the Tsaritsa is a direct Bronya parallel for Genshin like Sustainer is Kiana, Venti is Wendy, Ei is Mei, Nahida is Theresa, etc etc. I could see the tenth having been a Seele parallel with this, (since while she's similar, Furina is more of a parallel to Sin Malin) playing with Bronya and Seele always being tied together with all their appearances, could imagine she's even frozen to love forever basically and while being dead isnt "dead" and thus also why its not mentioned as the position is always filled yet absent.
@@BulletBillSoilder yeah, had the same thoughts as well. Had a further realization with the most popular theory that Crepus is the 10th Harbinger. Well, I want to open up the more plausible situation of Crepus being a Fatuus that followed the 10th Harbinger. Lyney asked Arlecchino for a Delusion, so the Harbingers have the authority of bestowing Delusions as well. We don’t know much about the Delusions that Harbingers possess, but going off of what we know about Signora and Childe, a Harbinger is given a Delusion if they already possess a power that can combat its influence, otherwise … they won’t be a Harbinger for long, makes sense right? And since Crepus was rapidly dying from usage of the Delusion, he most definitely didn’t possess the Harbinger strength to acquire a Delusion.
So yeah … Crepus was a Fatui soldier in all likelihood, not a Fatui Harbinger. The reason his death was planned out wasn’t because he was a traitor, but because he retired. He retired from working under the Taboo/Ostracized Harbinger, therefore he must be silenced.
This would indicate that the 10th Harbinger is still very much around and active.
(I was rereading the Genshin Manga to look for a certain page, but couldn’t find it, but I do believe I found the Cryo Archons name! When Collei is being attacked by Kaeya’s Cryo powers, the Archon Residue inside of Collei says “oh, this sickening power. So what if it’s from Barnabas, just kill him.” So like … Barnabas has to be the current Cryo Archon, right? This dialogue is in Chapter 11)
@@TinkRomero Barnabas is the name of the indian looking desert dweller fatuus that worked with Dottore to experiment on those kids, so not the Tsaritsa I'm afraid. The whole Bronya thing comes from CBT voice lines from Childe I believe where he name drops that, otherwise it has some lining up with what Venti says in CBT too a bit since its confirmed that CBT line was mis-translated a bit and the Barnabas spoken of there was supposed to be Barbatos in reference to himself saying he has a good eye for people. As we know though, Venti's lines about the other archons changed between CBTs and the actual release of the characters, such as there only being one electro archon and Ei was indeed Baal instead of Beezelbul, Sumeru having a more controlling culture with the Dendro Archon banning alcohol (which we know isn't true), etc. etc. so they're not exactly reliable. If you want her Ars Goetia name, I know it has been in a confirmed leak as said leak got some other archons who didn't release or have any info at the time get their names accurately. But since its a leak I think its best to not directly call it out here or any youtube video about Genshin.
That said some things from the CBT are reliable, sort of, considering for one the drip marketing for the Travelers (yes they had drip marketing which like the others drip marketing blurbs doesn't seem to have been retconned) is signed by Kevin Kaslana of Honkai Impact fame and their backstory description from CBT backs up this connection despite it not being in the final release. So if anything, unless its directly contradicted in Genshin currently, I'd take anything from the CBT with a grain of salt. Its probably safe to assume it may be accurate still but also shouldn't be used as a solid pillar for anything as it might have been changed if there's no other information backing that up.
But yeah I personally don't subscribe to the Crepus theory from what you said already. Think it may be more plausible the 10th is the frozen lover of the Cyro Archon which considering the patterns and such of Genshin so far I personally believe to be a version of Bronya and thus it makes sense to me the 10th is a version of Seele since in Gun Girls Z (Houkai Impact 2nd), HI3rd, even Star Rail for the version of Bronya on Belobog have a Seele they got romantic ties with (though with the things called Seelies in the game, I wouldn't be surprised with this pattern as well if her name changed or she's just named "Vollerei" instead). That or we've already seen the 10th Harbinger in the video for Signora's funeral but because they didn't speak they didn't get name dropped, and yes I mean the ruin guard looking thing may be the missing Harbinger and it's not too far fetched from the realm of possibilities considering we have robots and "robots" that are basically "alive" though I personally prefer the idea of the 10th having been someone the Tsaritsa loved at some point.
That or well, considering they have the model and art still in the game files to this day, and despite the original beta versions of Kokomi and Shenhe being removed and those characters still getting in the game... entirely possible the 10th Harbinger is the beta protagonist, Kate Kaslana, just retooled to be a Fatui Harbinger rather than the protagonist of the game that was a Knight of Favonious.
@@BulletBillSoilder ah … I see. Thanks for telling me! I was completely unaware of the mistranslation.
This is an interesting theory. My theory was always that the 10th seat was left empty for plot and to give us as the traveler a way into Snezhnaya without being jumped on sight. But I like your theory and find it comparable to Aphrodite from Greek mythology. Though it's well established that she was lovers with Ares, the God of War. I believe she also had a human love interest known as Adonis. A beautiful and gentle boy. Could be that the 10th was done in by some God or even another Harbinger. Pierro in the commedia dellarte was shown to pine and want for Columbina but in Genshin could be that he loves the Tsaritsa and out of jealousy struck down the 10th harbinger and lied about how they died. Such a revelation could even cause a rift between the Jester and the Tsaritsa, forcing him to return to the ruins of Khaenri'ah our next stop. Who knows
I like how they put Fischl so suspicious with her music demo, music dungeon and music skin with Diluc (who has more oportunity to take the place of Crepus if was a harbinger) and with the name Amy of the ars goetia, with a familiar when nobody has something like that; and no ones think about that b'cuz is so sus and funny no one would believe if her can be a harbinger
Regardless of why the 10th seat isn't meantioned (and is probably vacant), I think it's probably because hoyo will have a new harbinger rise in the snezhnaya chapter and they dont want to actively kick a harbinger out of the ranks. They could be the travaler, but also a fatui agent like lyney, lynette or freminet. They could either take 10th place or childe would move up for the new harbinger to become 11th
The Twin Magician - Lyney & Lynette
bruh tbh Lyney and Lynette do not look like they could be harbingers they're just orphans from the House of Hearth and can at best just be part of the intelligence division of the fatui. Them becoming harbingers is 10 times less likely than the traveler becoming one.
I feel like if brighella was truly a harbinger then the possibility of him being opposite of his comedia counterpart is really enticing and that could mean that he was seen as a traitor for maybe opposing the Fatui as he would be someone far nicer than the ruthless and cruel comedia brighella maybe even creating a family like a certain creepus 🤨
I dont think the 10th harbinger is missing with the sole reasoning being in Tartaglia's collected miscellany with Dainsleif saying "... of the Eleven Harbingers Ten concern themselves with clandestine operations Tartaglia is the sole exception... " implying that all 11 harbingers were alive and know at this point in time at least to Dainsleif though things could have changed since the video is nearly 3 years old but this is the closest thing have to knowing what the 10th does as little as one word though like i said before Tartaglia's collected miscellany nearly 3 years old so it could be outdated information
Just because there were 11 harbingers doesn't mean one of them was rank 10. For example there could be two of rank 4.
There hasn't been any precedent for that. @@DavidJohnson-ib1dh
Yeah. They screwing with us. @@AndrewsMobs
Here’s my take: You mentioned SCP-055, which is an anomaly you immediately forget. I think that the 10th is also comparable to another SCP, SCP-048. SCP-048 is an anomaly in which if anything was classified as it, it immediately becomes nonexistent, similar to how the Patter Screamers work. But there isn’t much to back up the 10th being a nonexistent role in the rankings, so take this with a grain of salt.
i havent watched the video yet but what the f-
@@nilarghyachatterjee5392same what is this-
SCP-006-J
CODENAME: THE DOLLAR
How the hell did we get to the anti meme scp bro XD
SCP? really? And SCP-055 to boot? In a genshin video?
Wait a minute....what are you talking- There's no SCP-055 you dunce.
Only question about Brighella in terms of the Comedia. If he was so vile in terms of the play, doesn’t the opposite usually happen in Genshin. Like wasn’t Tartaglia an old man and usually they use different takes when applying the characters in genshin.
So, according to the first theory, the 10th is basically Fatui's Yelan, but does more shadier stuff?
it seems like it
My theory is that the tenth could be someone we've already met. Either a spy or a sleeper agent.
The Twin Magician - Lyney & Lynette
@@manoharalisa5829 no
Lyney and Lynette are just members of the House of Hearth which works as the intelligence division of the fatui
also all harbingers are loyal to the tssaritsa but lyney and lynette arent - they are loyal to arlecchino
Maybe a hexenzerkel member in disguise ?
Just want to point out a little thing since my mother tounge is italian, the word "brighella" is also used to describe a "naughty" child, for example if a mother says: "Please don't do *x*", and child does exactly *x*, she could say: "You're such a brighella!", it's not really offensive, is more of a "cute insult", so maybe Brighella could just be a naughty/bratty person.
Finally, this is the one theory I've been waiting for so eagerly ever since we saw all the harbingers, even if we didn't know their numbers, I knew one was missing
I think the "abyss" Sibling might have become a Harbinger during their travel through Teyvat, while they were still a Descender.... and then rewritten by Irminsul as neither.
I like that idea especially since the harbingers seem like the only ppl other than the traveler and dainsleif who seem to know “the truth”
They would be way higher rank than 10th, likely 1st or 2nd at the very least
Personal idea is that since the Tsaritsa's embodies the principle of Love, or used to, that the 10th Harbinger is the Innamorati and her personal servant.
Lots of good suggestions by the other commentators so im only gonna add another possibility. The 10th harbinger could be a personal aide to the Tsaritsa. One who never leaves her side and thus is never shown not even at the meetings.
I feel like the 10th harbinger being erased from Irminsul is practically the only explanation though. They quite literally do not exist beyond the implication of Tartaglia not being strong enough to be greater than the 11th harbinger and the last constellation. No one talks about them, no one talks about the 10th seat, they don't ever appear in-game or in videos, they're not in any voice lines or artifact lore... If they were erased from time, either as a harbinger or their entire existence, Childe should be the 10th harbinger because no one would have any memory of there ever being another 10th aside from the one who did the erasing. If it were someone in secret, then who and why? Dottore has already infiltrated different nations incognito at least twice + his army of clones; Arlecchino, Childe, and Signora were all diplomats + Arle has the HotH to do more spywork for her; Pantalone is one of the richest people in Teyvat with a hold on the international economy; why would they need a specialized spy unit or otherwise when so many other harbingers can do that with barely any effort expended? If they're instead responsible for something like the Abyss, forbidden knowledge, or the Primordial one, I think it was pretty well established that that was delegated to Scaramouche, likely because his artificial form couldn't be corrupted by those forces in the same way a human form could. So they are either resistant to those forces or cannot be changed elsewise, which we don't have any evidence of and I don't think Scaramouche would be shy about saying anything if they were like him or some sort of abyssal being.
But it's still strange. Iirc, one would need to have either resonated with the dendro gnosis or become a god to be able to do so themselves, and Scara was a unique case in that he was literally built to house a gnosis and then built to become a god. Humans can't ascend to godhood without a vision, and Childe is the only harbinger so far with one (Scara doesn't count and Delusions share the same models as Visions). And it's strange that there's literally zero mention of the 10th harbinger at all, there should at least be some remark about how "the 10th seat has been empty for a long time" or "the 10th harbinger has died/been dead for awhile".
Either that, or the 10th harbinger defected/died, no one is allowed to mention them, and there is no need to talk about them. Maybe their defection/death was genuine, maybe it was a plan to erase their figurative existence from Teyvat? Maybe they're up in space, trailblazing across the universe, taking selfies with PomPom?
That's possible. After Scaramouche erased himself, the 6th position was left empty for a long time in a new reality, probably the same happened to the 10th. But because of his/her position, no one really talk about it.
You got me at the last part. March 7th possible lore (LMAO)
Wait a min March 7th 3/7 and 3+7 is 10 oh my gaaaa
doing it twice wouldnt be cool
I think what happened is that the 10th seat was exiled and is likely somewhere lying low in Natlan/snezhnaya. Or at the very least the 10th harbinger tried to leave and deserted the entire organization and they dont know where they are. Probably in natlan hiding somewhere and maybe bina and capitano tasked with retrieving them or killing them?
the traveler becoming brighella would be interesting because our main goal still is finding our siblign so we would have our very own agenda and trying to achieve it at all cost, even betraying our new comrades. i really like that idea and it would be a way better title than captain of swordfish ii =D
Since Harbingers can get promoted by defeating higher number in a duel, if Traveler wanted to join Fatui, 8th rank is for him/her. We already defeated Signora. So 10th rank isn't waiting for us
I don't know if I can see the Traveler joining the Fatui if only because some of the Harbingers have done some really messed-up shit and I can't imagine the leaps and bounds their personality would have to take to be willing to be in the same room as the Harbingers at all (not that the Traveler's personality isn't inconsistent already but that's on another level). I could however see the Tsaritsa being an ally of the Traveler, or at least the two having some sort of mutually beneficial relationship; even if the Tsaritsa is, in theory, enabling all of the Harbingers to carry out their terrible schemes by giving them so much power, the game has distanced her from the Fatui significantly and I feel like it's possible that's what they're setting up. Not to mention, I wouldn't even call the 'Fatui' a single faction considering how much the Harbingers hate each other, so it's really difficult for the Traveler or really anyone to be allied with the Fatui as a whole.
Never have I imagined Genshin and SCP being utilised synonymously
i think that the 10th seat of the harbinger is more like a carrot trap. Like when someone is trying to find something out about the Fatui, they in theory could find something about every harbinger, besides the 10th seat, what would cause something like anxiety. This Unkown factor that just few know would let the Harbinger be in advantage when it comes around to Psychological Battles.
I think we are going to be a Harbinger at the end but we are going to be the 1st Harbinger, Capitano is second (or we will be the 10th, point is we will become a Harbinger). That will only happen when we will be at Snezhnaya already. We are Honorary Knight in Mondstadt, and other titles in different regions, at the end of Traveler’s journey and experience when he realized that Fatui’s motives and will join the Fatui. We are probably the missing piece.
After watching this theory a thought popped in my head
What if traveler's twin is the 10th and is kept secret as an expansion of fatui in the abyss without requiring to be with fatui
Since we know already our twin also has traveled teyvat with dainsleif and tsaritsa 'changed' persona for unknown reason
It makes sense for Mihoyo do hide the 10th...so they can sell them off the hype later.
Since scara doesn't mention them i think it's a good guess that they might have been someone from lores that died long ago
It would be so cool if at the end we had the choice to join the fatui or the abyss with lumine, and the game would have 2 endings, both of them being going against celestia
Personally, I love the theory that the traveler is the future 10th harbinger (maybe our sibling was the 10th a long time ago? idk that's kinda crack but I like it still). I would assume that the missing harbinger is Innamorati, which is meant to be two characters. The commedia centers around the "lovers" and trying to reunite them together (ahem Aether and Lumine anyone?) What is also funny is this could also relate to the traveler and Paimon. If we do become the 10th, I'm sure Paimon will also be included in that as we are a BOGO deal lol. And yeah, I know the lovers in the play isn't a platonic love, but thats okay because love is love no matter how you shake it. We love our sibling and Paimon and they love us in return.
Edit: and reading more of the Innamorati's personality traits, it is kinda uncannily similar to how Paimon acts
My personal take is that the 10th was so volatile (or, perhaps did something against the Fatui or the Tsaritsa herself) that the Fatui had them killed.
I really want to know if the Tsaritsa is an honorary Fatui Harbinger Inamorata the way the Jester is the honorary Director. In this case, could the empty spot be dedicated for her missing Inamorati and Tartaglia was a “Well, crap. This kid is the Abyss incarnate. We can’t just let him run loose. Better make a new seat to keep him under control,” fluke?
What I find interesting about Crepus is that in the manga (if I remember it right) we never actually see his whole face/ his eyes specifically. Doesn't prove anything, I just found it a bit strange because we see the eyes of basically every other person in the manga.
Imagine that 10th Harbinger did something so horrible that it made even someone like Dottore, the Doctor Death himself, go "your are done! Fired!"
I find the expelled theory a bit hard to believe, mostly because of Dottore's existence. It would have to be more vile then child exprimentation and allowing children to be put into an arena to fight to the death for the amusement of others (as seen in the manga), and he's quick to get rid of people when hes done with them, then possibly experiment on them. (Oh and theres also what happened with the Akasha)
Wanderer also says that he wonders if the Tsaritsa is over compensating for something with her kindness, my impression from that is that she knows that some of her people are probably doing really terrible things but wants to ignore it because to her the ends justify the means. (But thats just my opinion)
But I do think the fatui would get rid of someone if that person betrayed them then never mention this person ever again out of disgust, many of them do seem very loyal to the Tsaritsa so betraying her would probably be a pretty terrible offense. I'm actually pretty sold on the Crepus theory.
The Traveller becoming a Harbinger is one of those tropes you want to see happen, but never will
My theory is, The 10th Harbinger is a Traitor so that's why Number 10th Never got mentioned. At least for now. Eyy remember this if it's actually true in the future😂
Wouldn't they replace the seat then?
If Bronya is the cryo archon, I have a feeling that Seele will also be appearing. (I'm mostly coping) And maybe Elysia too?
that be gnarly, i cope so too.
Coping Soo hard Ong
Given that this was made 6 months ago, we wouldn’t have known alecchino’s backstory short. But in it when she’s recruited only Pierro, Capitano who’s #1 Scaramouche who’s #6 and Signora who’s #8 watch become the fourth harbinger you’d think that harbingers like Pulcinella or Sandrone would come but they didn’t because they weren’t recruited yet. Me aiming that when Pierro recruits someone to become a harbinger he’s giving them the rank and role that fits them best. If we haven’t seen the 10th harbinger it’s probably because there is no 10th harbinger
This honestly makes the most sense
An action vile enough that even *Dottore* was disgusted into banishing the offender? Jesus Christ how could you get lower than that guy?
not to say that the 10th harbinger is definitely still around and that you're definitely wrong or anything, but I do think you were a bit quick to dismiss the 10th harbinger being a secret. because who's to say scaramouche was a high enough rank to know about them? he was still subject to manipulation and experimentation by higher ranking harbingers, so it's not like he knew everything either.
if they're meant to be a tightly kept secret, perhaps only the top 3 know about them, or perhaps even only pierro and the tsaritsa.
again, not saying that this is definitely the case, but I don't think we can entirely write off the secret harbinger theory yet.
Considering we have yet to meet any character from Natlan or even really heard of any. Perhaps the 10th Harbinger is also isolated in Natlan.
heres hoping the old 10th was crepus(diluc's dad) and was considered a "volatile liar" because he never truly pledged to the tsaritsa and was only a member for the mutual benefits so long as he didnt get in the tsaritsa's way.
which would open the door for the traveller to become the 10th (we've canonically bested 2 harbingers and 1 with the help of an archon) since we fit the power requirement to out rank childe. The traveller has slaughtered plenty of fatui agents and routinely been a fork in fatui plans. We also have the grounds laid for an uneasy alliance with the fatui given arlecchino's proposal, our friendship with childe, and our distrust of celestia.
All things considered the traveller could be a violent, volatile, and uneasy ally in the eyes of the tsaritsa fitting the role of "Brighella" amongst the fatui. We also are strong enough to take up the 10th spot(11th at worst, 7/8 ish at best).
but what our role in the fatui could truly be which fits perfectly with the current situation surrounding the 10th, is none at all.
all this time the 10th never truly existing could be our fault, because the 10th IS us. no one would suspect us and who else has been closer to multiple archons and subsequently present for the taking of a gnosi than us? After Liyue it's quite possible that the fatui have included us in their plans. I mean we're used as a bargaining chip to get the gnosi in scara's hands.
unknowingly and unwillingly we have been present in most fatui scheme's surrounding the gnosi thus far. and if we do end up formally joining we would be a valuable asset to the fatui because of how close to the archons we are, we would be the perfect liar, the people's hero that's actually working for the fatui all along.
I’ve thought of a couple people based on what you have said in the past and today. Abyss twin. Skirk. Kaeya. Diluc. Creepus.
Imagine nobody bothering to warn us about the 10th Harbinger, because it's a giant dragon that is exactly as dangerous as he looks. And he also isn't invited to social gatherings because he doesn't fit indoors.
Btw? Now that we know a lot about them all is it possible to gauge just how far removed from the Comedia characters the harbingers all are? None of them match, right? It was all a huge red herring wasn't it? None of that Comedia law was useful in the end? Same with the Ars Goetia? For a while it almost seemed like the harbingers were the OPPOSITE of their Comedia counterparts, but even there I just don't think there's any match. It was all misinformation.
Once we step to Snezhnaya, we'd be the Director instead of the 10th from how many Harbingers we've put down so far 🤣
Facts
There is also the possibility of the traveller being recruited into the fatui as number 10. Arlecchino is being set up as an ally in Fontaine, and even if she has dark intentions, she seems to want to work with the traveller. Given that childe is favourable to the traveller, and we know that at least Pulcinella will also be playable, I expect major reveals in the future which cause the traveller to align themselves at least partially with the fatui.
Overall, most of the remaining harbingers actually don't seem completely terrible. Dottore is the most problematic, but that may just be one particularly nasty segment, whilst the others are more reasonable. Arlecchino is supposed to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, but I still think she'll be enough of an ally to be playable. Other than that it's just columbina being creepy or Pulcinella being greedy, which is manageable.
Wait what.. where was it mentioned Pulcinella is going to be playable? 👀
Every character in the Teyvat Chapter Teaser: Travail is playable.
Where was that mentioned?@@axelvinicius3365
No traveller would be way higher than 10th since we beat 6th
I personally think that it was/is abyss sibling or meant for us. Especially considering that Tsaritsa will want to ally with traveler
Well we would be far higher than rank 10 considering we beat rank 6.
@@AndrewsMobs the keyword 'was'. As in, became only for a little bit. Obviosly, full-powered abyss sibling is if not equal to the unknown god we faced, at least considerable threat to them.. As for us, yeah. Atm we are around 6th harbinger.. though, by the time we reach snezhnaya we would be around 1st or even Founder... if not better. I wonder how powerful we would be in khaenriah, since mc actually learns more about battle and whatchanot-seems like they didn't really have many fight between their kind before teyvat
Maybe you should learn to read. @@barti560
ngl i was waiting for diluc father for 10 th harbinger lol 😅
Timmie is the 10th harbinger indeed
Oh no don't make this joke become real.
Traveler definitely appears to be joining the Fatui. If it happens, I think it happens here in Fontaine. I can see Arlecchino recruiting him, and the assistance begins in Natlan; which will be a nation at war anyways. It potentially diverges from the abyss sibling, but she/he did state we're supposed to finish our journey first. Gaining knowledge from Fatui would be a good aspect of it. Besides, Aether/Lumine already know the truth, we don't know it yet.
Would like in future to able to choose a side, an harbinger, follow your sibling in the abyss or to oppose their ideology , go with tartaglia and betray the fatui, or go against divintity to save a cursed race, or a route more focused on being a sage of buer
I believe either the traveler become fatui in sneznayah later or it was the bough keeper via deinsleif since he from khaenriah
Another take could be that (although I believe more in your options) the new thing they are gonna show us with the tenth is the process of choosing a harbinger. In here, the previous tenth could have died (not necessarily crepus but it can be too) time ago, way before the story started, and since the they have been looking for a new one to fill the place instead of raising tartaglia in rank but can’t find anyone due to the nations being so close on themselves and later us, helping in teyvat
Maybe the 10th position is ceremonial and represents the Tsaritsa... Another great lore/theory video!
The number 10 in numerology is connected to self reliance and to the Wheel of Fortune tarot card. Who has the Wheel of Fortune constellation? Thats right. The 10th Harbinger is Bennett.
Self reliant, absolutely broken support, boken da boken.
Think about it. His lore states that he was an orphan found in the Mare Javari. He has many dads. Is a member of the Adventures Guild (which is the top intelligence field with least suspision, allowing him to go wherever.) He is super resiliant in lore, which would be a useful trait. The fatui dont invoke him because that would be invoking bad fortune, so by having Benny siphon away all the bad luck, the fatui can continuously succeed.
No wonder the fatui get away with taking all the gnosis from the gods 😂😂😂 benny is op 😂😂😂
Having a secret harbinger would be cool but why have him rank 10? He'd be higher. Or more likely not have a rank at all. Or be rank 12 or zero. If it's a secret then don't give away the secret by issuing them a number that clearly prompts questions. And if it's a secret from the rank and file Fatui then why don't the two in Mondstadt mention rank 10 as unfilled along with rank 6 and 8? Well maybe that last point is too meta. But think about forming a group of 11 heroes and having an extra one, a secret one. He'd be number 12, right? He wouldn't have a number. You'd say "the eleven heroes" not "the twelve heroes".
You should also made a video about another invisible 6th harbinger, that seat had been "empty" for hundred of years it started to get suspicious
The 10th Fatui Harbinger is Timmie.
You've all been fed amnestics, but I still know the truth.
Traveler has mask assets to become a harbinger, so it's possible. Another one that has a mask asset, namely Diluc. Diluc's costume has chain accessories like his father, Master Crepus's moves when he uses his delusional moves (in the manga).
So, basically, possibly the 10th Harbinger, Traveler or Diluc, or another new character. just a personal opinion.
Hear me out, what if its the Abyss Sibling, as he/she knew Pierro during their time in Khanri'ah
Katherine 10th harbinger confirmed xD
Maybe its being held "in preperation" for a fated 10th?
Isnt lyney aiming to joing harbingeer ranks?
10 Harbringer - The Twin Magician - Lyney & Lynette
I think that the tenth harbinger was Diluc father,with him taking his place later because of his 5 star skin.
What if the abyss sibling held the tenth seat but they found out about her connections to the abyss and so the tenth seat was left empty (maybe she was trying to get the two to work together considering they both regard celestia as the common enemy)
fatui are prepared for crown, I mean They social distance and wear masks they even a have a doctor.
I feel like it's either one of two things, The first being the 10th harbinger was Crepus and he was assassinated by the Fatui using Ursa the drake or that the 10th is a completely different person/ new character that will be greatly expanded upon at a later point in time like possibily we get a mention of them in Natlan and then get the full story in snezhaya
The second option being the 10th harbinger is alive and is serving some kind of more unique purpose and we meet them later in the story
I want the Traveller to get the 10th place in the Fatui BUT I also like the theory that Crepus WAS the 10th it'll be poetic specially if Diluc somehow gets involved it might make a really heart felt scene
also Being smart and somewhat antagonist to the other characters harbinger both Crepus and The Traveller checks those marks
Lmao this comment section makes me wonder if people read anything at all
Well the traveler is stronger than the 6th harbinger. And they’re ranked on strength…..soooo that don’t add up.
My favourite is still Diluc's dad
FIIIRRRSSST. also you deserve more followers
I don't personally have an opinion of what the situation on the 10th harbinger could be, but I just want to say that I love how this video is set up, how you go through all the possible scenarios of what could be going on instead of just picking whichever one you think it is & only going with that. It gives a much better idea of what the situation could possibly be.
My theory is that they are from Natlan, and things from Natlan, don't seem to leave there.
Maybe the 10 member is the twin magician Lynette & Lyney.
Those exploring fontaine must have noticed a tower east of fontaine inaccessible as of 4.1 now, If Snezhnaya too has a tower somewhat like that, counting the 3 towers - fontaine one, snezhnaya one and mondstadt one(stormterror's tower), all three can possibly pinpoint towards celestia in centre, possibly a way to get into celestia after unlocking some kind of hidden mechanic still hidden in them, what do y'all think?
Plot twist, the writer is a Bleach fun, so No.10 is actually No.0 with a transformation like the Espadas.
Honestly the idea of Traveler becoming a 10th is so stupid right now,it was possible around Li Yue arc, but now Traveler already defeated Tartaglia,Signora,Scara, the next one is probably Arlecchino and in Natlan Capitano, so when traveler finally reached Sneznaya only above him/her would be Pierro and Tsaritsa. I see if Traveler becomes one of them It will be a 1 or zero like Pierro,since really during a Sneznaya arc traveler is stronger then every Harbinger,have political and archon influence to all territories much more then any of Harbingers, and for him/her just accepting 10th would be so unrealistical and stupid.
Exactly.
@@AndrewsMobstraveler is helped by Archon. When fighting Scara and his giant machine.
No, she only showed the traveller how to beat Scara, traveller already had the power to do it but didn't know how. @@manoharalisa5829
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If this happens then I will start playing genshin again 👀
What if Tartaglia was the 10th, but did something to be demoted the 11th?
woudnt it be funny if we are overthinking this and there arent any zero Harbinger revealed yet.
I love the way you say Disclaimer, it's so cute
If Crepus turns out to be the misisng Harbinger, that would also open new speculations about why and how he adopted Kaeya. I personally believe Pierro is somehow connected to his adoption since his design is complementary to Kaeya's and the fact that Crepus gifted Diluc a uniform on his birthday that quite resembles common Fatui gear. And maybe this is a stretch but his look in the manga gave me the heebie-jeebies because they didn't draw his eyes and his talk with Diluc in the carriage moments before Ursa's attack was also suspicious as hell
I also believe the 10th Harbinger resides in Snezhnaya. If I were to write this character, I would model them after Grand Admiral Thrawn. Unlike the other Fatui Harbingers, who are ranked primarily by strength rather than wisdom or influence, the 10th Harbinger would be a wise and calm strategist, notable for not possessing a Vision nor a Delusion. They would inspire their subordinates through positive reinforcement, encouraging them to improve themselves and fight not for the Tsaritsa, but for Snezhnaya itself. To this Harbinger, the homeland takes precedence over the throne, fostering a sense of loyalty among their Fatui followers that surpasses their allegiance to the Tsaritsa. This would create an internal tension, as high-ranking Fatui military members would question where their loyalties lie: with the Tsaritsa, or with the 10th Harbinger and Snezhnaya alone.
The 10th Harbinger believes that the Tsaritsa’s actions may ultimately doom her people, which drives them to prepare for any contingency to ensure Snezhnaya’s survival. This character could serve as an ally to the Traveler in Snezhnaya, working alongside Childe to outmaneuver Pulcinella, Pantalone, Sandrone, and Columbina.
Overall, this is just an opinion of how the 10th harbinger can be used.
being saying this for a while but the 10th spot of the fatui could be Inamorti (the lovers) which could either be The Traveler and the Abyssal Sibling or if Mihoyo is cooking then the House of Hearth siblings (Lyney, Lynette possibly Freminet).
Personally i would like it if skirk was somehow the 10 fatui harbinger. Seeing as she trained chidle in the abyss and all id be pretty cool
She would be far higher than 10th.
@@AndrewsMobswe don't know who is Skirk rewlly are other than theacer of Childe, maybe she is one of God from Abyss.
It doesn't matter, she demolishes Childe in a fight, no way she is only 10th. @@manoharalisa5829
guys the 10th harbinger is obviously paimon.
just look at her.
The 10th fatui harbinger's always the mystery since he died first
Maybe the Tsarista remembers even if the Irminsul is rewriten and that’s why Scaramoshe has not been replaced
I really like the theory about Harbinger traveler.
My theory, like most of the internet at the moment is that it's actually Diluc's father and might be that the fact that maybe he's mother is a Hekzencircle witch she had something done with Irmensul? Like so he won't be remembered as the harbinger that he was and more as that guy from the Dawn winery, I don't know..
I still like to think that Crepus is the 10th, it's would make a lot of sense with what we see in the web comics and diluc's story quest