Childe says that "If she stood to benefit from betraying others, she'd turn against the Tsaritsa in a heartbeat." in his voice line about Arlecchino, implying the possibility of a betrayal, and Scaramouche calls her a " wolf in sheep's clothing", so she could be the hand of glory.
the 10th being the mask also makes sense if he/she is a liar, spy or simply a hidden character we will meet and discover his true identity later as those 3 things would make the double-face mask a fitting symbol for he/she more than to arlecchino whose every voiceline she gets more & more traitorous, arlecchino also steals children from other nations so the hand of glory is punishment for thieves part also fits
Also in the commedia Arlecchino always goes against his master and is a trickster, crook, skilled at deception, so It make sense for her to be the hand of glory
And I just found out that Pierro is Colombina's housband and that's why he is opposed to Arlecchino, that is Colombina's secret lover! (In the commedia)
@@thurenspascal1581 yep although hoyo has not shown anything between those 3 yet (or ever knowing them and making cannon relationships in genshin lol); some version of the commedia turn the columbina/pierro/arlecchino love triangle into a love-square with columbina acting VERY flirty-touchy with capitano when her other 2 lovers are close, with other versions even having capitano & columbina 2 as the innamorati instead of signora, i'm very interested to see what hoyo will do with these 4 relationships lol
@@drachenhexer dilucs 5th constellation is named "phoenix: harbinger of dawn" as well. And iirc it's shaped like a bird of prey because crepus loved drawing them.
I think I found the mistranslated script that caused a lot of misunderstanding. Tartaglia words on Pierro in English: He was the first ever fatui Harbinger, and today he's our leader. The original Chinese script: 他是愚人众最初的执行官，也是今日执行官们的领袖.. Proper translation: He is the first ever Harbinger of the Fatui, and nowadays he's ALSO the leader of the Harbingers. If it's past tense "was" in Chinese, it would have been 曾经是 or 曾是 or 以前是。but the script only said “是” which is just present tense "is". So TL;DR the script NEVER specified if he quit a Harbinger seat some time in the past, it just pointed out he's status as "The first ever harbinger (without specifying seat number)" while ALSO being the leader at present.
I've seen you (or was it someone else with the default icon?) copy and paste this about... 5 times at the very least, I wanna say? But it's still information that I think more people need to be aware of, so keep it going!
Actually, all the confusion began when a famous leaker, who as of now hasn't been wrong a single time, said that Capitano was number 1, so people had to create reasons was to why Pierro wouldn't be number 1, and right now it's just a accepted thing by the community that Pierro is number 0, with Capitano in number 1.
I feel like this slightly misses the point of the video. The point is more about "are they specifically #1 or not?", and less "are they a harbinger at all?"
@@Naokarma if someone says “also” it implies that they do more than one thing. In this case, saying “also the leader” implies he’s the first harbinger and a leader, giving him two roles. So it does answer whether or not he is currently the first harbinger. You don’t say “also our leader” without putting putting words that indicate passing event or it’ll be taken as a current statement.
@@The1andonlysharpshooter it would be kinda like in a school right ? The fatuis are the students, the harbingers are the student council and Pierro (who is also apart of the student council) is the president of them. (I know it's kinda a strange example but I think that's the best way to put it to explain lol) He's both the leader and a harbinger
As a Chinese speaker thanking for pointing out the fact the localization messed up the “seat” thing that has been driving me up the wall for ages. It’s pretty frustrating how much gets omitted or outright erased because of improper translation
@Blaze So far for the Harbingers the only big things were their seats and Pierro’s role as the founder of the Harbingers. I believe another had to do with which members were recruited by Pierro .(i’ll have to look more into this one) Another localization thing I still see around is the Twins being minors when they are actually at least one thousand years old and that they are of the divine not mortal I think the biggest difference is context for both, they relatively mean the same thing. But 神明 leans more towards “god” and 魔神 leans more towards demon. There are other things I’d have to look through my notes (Sorry my English isn’t great, does this make sense??)
@@Hyopomora Oh the twins being minors isn't a localization error, it's a misunderstanding. They just look young so a lot of people took that as their chronological age because it matches their physical age.
@Blaze sure, So to start, the spacing is gonna be a bit odd because of keyboard sorry These characters mean 秘密secret; clandestine; confidential; classified 新兵new recruit, recruit,rookie 首席seat of honour; chief; the first place 大人 adult; grown-up; (To clarify these characters have many meanings but in this context this is a decent translation) The translation of this: 請務必盡快撤離，將尋回『內森」秘密報告的稻妻新兵交予首席執行官大人 Is “Please be sure to evacuate as soon as possible, and hand over to the General the recruit who found "Nathan" and secretly reported it.” It’s a bit rough for English but I hope it makes some sense
After 4.2, Arlecchino is number 4, so Capitano HAS TO BE 1, cuz like Childe says how Capitano is so beyond him in rank and strength, if the rank represent strength, capitano can't be 10th, so there might actually be a 10th missing fatui, and Diluc's father makes a lot of sense actually, the crack theory is pretty good
Adding on to this. Let's say Crepus was the 10th Harbinger, but now that spot is vacant. Hear me out: "Sorry... to also have you shoulder the grievances of the world." "Since you could endure my bitter cold, you must have the desire to burn?" "Then, burn away the old world for me." - Shivada Jade Gemstone Description What if the Traveler will eventually be assigned a role in the Fatui Harbingers among their ranks. So far, most of the Gemstone Descriptions seem to reflect the stories within the nations that the Gemstones' elements were based off on. Maybe, upon visiting Snezhnaya, there will come a point where the Traveler will work with the Harbingers to do **something**, and be temporarily assigned a Harbinger seat. In a sense, the Traveler will "be a traitor" to whatever destiny Fate has assigned them. I feel like they need to introduce a very convincing enough reason for the Traveler to even think about joining the Harbingers.
IMO, it's even harder to make convincing reason for Paimon to join force with the Fatui. She has very black and white morality (even more than the Traveller, I think) and sometimes is too dumb for her own good (like insulting Scara when the tone is serious or questioning Traveller's decision when they decided to work with the "bad guys" (the Hoarders/the Fatui)
that doesnt make sense... 😂the spot CANT BE VACANT... remember by this logic.. ranks 2-11 where vacant.. then dotteiro joined cleary the oldest besides perrio so taht means 3-11 where vacant.. aka the logic requires there where 11 seats from the start.. there where 10 harbinger at one point.. then later 11 when childe joined.. does this mean seat 11 was vacant before childe joined?
@@InanisNihil maybe 10th is reserved for someone else. Specifically a person Pierro is looking for perhaps. But i don't think the Traveller fits in the 10th spot, he/she is too powerful for that.
@@hmstransit909 I agree with this, which is why I think something really REALLY drastic will happen around Natlan that will convince Traveler and Paimon to team up with the Fatui. If rumors are to be believed, we will face off against Capitano in Natlan - one of the "noblest" of the Harbingers.
What I find interesting about Crepus is that in the manga (if I remember it right) we never actually see his whole face/ his eyes specifically. Doesn't prove anything, I just found it a bit strange because we see the eyes of basically every other person in the manga.
Someone was trying to convince me of an idea like this recently and I was like, "yeeeeah, I don't really see that because why would Hoyo go out of their way to tell us about _every_ Harbinger and just not talk about some left over Harbinger?" but if it's someone who was a traitor (Crepus or otherwise) that would make more sense. Either way, I'm willing to wait and see where Hoyo goes with this.
BRO I WOULD LOVE IF CREPUS WAS A FATUI HARBINGER!!! LIKE AHHH THAT WOULD GIVE SO MUCH CHARACTER TO DILUC!!! I already love Diluc’s character, but I love when Hoyo gives lore to Mondstat characters since Mondstat’s seen as the “happy go lucky region” of Teyvat even though most of the characters are hella depressed
I know the Traveler hates the Fatui as much as Diluc does, but in order to talk to Tsarista, Traveler might leave Paimon behind to become a Fatui Harbinger, filling in the missing 10th spot as Innamorati, the Lover. That's my theory of the story in the Snezhnaya Archon Quest.
we are just at the sumeru chapter and the traveler is already at least as powerful as scara in base form. arrived at snezaya it will be at least as powerful as 1 siege of the 11 since the power of the traveler increases exponentially. it wouldn't make sense for him to become the 10th given his power
"Innamorati" is a plural form, and the Traveler would most likely go by a singular form which is "Innamorato" UNLESS he/she and Paimon will be treated as one harbinger which is entirely possible
I also believe this. Either us, or the other sibling is a secret harbinger, like a double spy of some sort. Also, don't think the nation of cryo will let us enter that easily, so in order to talk to Tsaritsa, we will become one of the fatui.
I have one more candidate for the mystery harbinger. Jianxue(or whatever his name is), the guy who keeps fishing near the Wangshu Inn. He is said to be tooo powerful, even able to take down a ruin hunter faster than traveller could even see. Childe had to use a lot of power to defeat some ruin guards, and that was completely trackable by traveller. It is safe to assume that a ruin hunter is more powerful than ruin guard. ANd jianxue defeats it faster than traveller can even see what happens. That particular ruin hunter is cannonically too strong for even the traveller. Even jianxue himself said taht he did some bad things when he had his vision, etc. So he quit that life after doing one last thing that he had to do. So its either he was associated with some bandits or treasure hoarders...OR the fatui themselves.
18:34 either we get a new owner of that one or Crepus isnt actually dead idfk and 20:14 a second point invthe wiki of brighella it says that he is seen as arleccchino's smarter and more vindictive older brother
i just found something in fontaine that made me think of this theory in fontaine there's a series of quests called "good stuff, but terrible taste". tl;dr is that you run into this little girl/artist named salsa and you help her rearrange puzzles so they look nicer and don't ruin the scenery. in the 5th encounter with her, after you've fixed the puzzle, you talk to her and she suggests making an organization to stop the adventurers guild from ruining the scenery with their puzzles. in this dialogue she dubs you and paimon members 1 and 2 of the organization, and paimon says "but if we're members number one and two, then what about you, salsa?" and salsa responds with "I'm the founder, so of course I'm number zero!" (you can find a full transcript of the quest on the genshin wiki) theres probably not actually a connection there but it's certainly interesting
I agree with this theory both from the evidence and other reasons. It never made sense to me for Arlecchino to be 10th based on how she interacted with the other harbingers, and this just gets further backing from every time we see the harbinger order presented in voice lines along with how she is talked about. People try to counter Arlecchino being 4th by using the voicelines of her underlings from that 1 world quest where they say they want to raise her prestige, but prestige =/= rank, so we don't actually know what was being referenced. Also if we fight Arlecchino it wouldn't make sense to go from recently fighting Scaramouche at rank 6 to Arlecchino if she was only rank 10. Also, people seem to forget that Childe is a very very new harbinger, there could've originally been only 9 harbingers and they were looking for a 10th(or some other shenanigans with the 10th seat, but before Childe if there was no one in the 10th seat it wouldn't really be viewed as missing a spot even if they wanted to fill it), but then Childe came along, so and they made him seat 11 which could explain the weirdness around Childe's seat number and why he gets mocked for it. Leaks: Leaks state that the order Ashikai presented is the correct order, 10th seat is indeed empty.
At 18:13 if we look at pierro we can see his "button" on his left shoulder looking like the symbel at the top of the harbinger constellation wheel. So there are 12 constellations and his being the top one may mean that he isnt a "ranked" harbinger.
This theory is a long shot, but Pierro and Scaramouche are the only characters whose names are not Italian (Pedrolino and Scaramuccia). It is canon after the particular Archon Quest that Scaramouche was never a seated Fatui Harbinger, perhaps Pierro's non-Italian name may be an indication that he was not a seated Fatui Harbinger.
I mean 2 things about where childe is facing on the constellation wheel 1. it also points to a delusion so I'm thinking maybe it's about how he struggles with his delusion with how it often backfires on him, sure delusions are supposedly bad for everyone but he is the youngest harbinger so I guess it could make sense for him to not be used to it however it seems all the other confirmed harbingers have only stood to benefit from delusions SO FAR as scaramouche distributed them and signora would've turned into ashes way before getting torn to oblivion without her cryo delusion and 2. if you're right about the mask at the top being pirerro with how it looks like pale flame circlet you can kind of link it to his about pierro voiceline as he states he doesn't really care for pierro and only cares abt serving the tsartistsa another thing is I think there's a chance arelecchino could be both the hand and the mask due to her being "2 faced" and scara says she has a "true self" or smth so ig that could be it but mb not bc childe also kinda has that but then again I think that's more him trying not to get put in jail for being a serial killer and protecting tuecer so idk but with how fontaine is looking it could match the boss order if we fight arelecchino in fontaine and columbina and capitano in natlan since most people are guessing that we'll meet columbina and capitano in natlan and with the current rate of the harbinger appearances it would kinda make sense for either half to be in shneznaya (arlecchino says in winter nights lasso that the others only ever stay in the comfort of their homeland so that would make sense) or we just don't fight them
My crack headcanon is that the missing harbinger is our Twin. Since Pierro was the last surviving Khaenriyan on paper, it would be plausible that he had crossed paths with our Twin (especially since we know our Twin was present during the cataclysm & settled in Khaenriyah prior as implied by Dain). Both may have survived the cataclysm and started the Fatui under the Tsaritsa's protection. Maybe Pierro's ambition no longer aligned with our twin with regards to Celestia at some point and so our Twin then joined the abyss, thus being a "traitor".🤷♂️
I'm pretty sure the crying mask is actually Pulcinella's (real world Pulcinella masks have big noses and are often either glaring or upset), which if the other currently unconfirmed ones are correct leaves the healing hand as the 10th seat. Notably about the healing hand constellation is that the fingers are detached, which isn't a universal part of the symbol that I could find, let alone the 'one finger only being detached at the finger tip' thing. Tinfoil hat time, but now we have Mavuika, a probable phoenix named after a goddess who was robbed of both fire and her fingernails. I hardly need to elaborate on the Ragnvindr-phoenix-fire association. So maybe, if you stretch really far on the conspiracy board, that could be more evidence that Crepus was the missing harbinger (& that the Ragnvindrs are connected to whatever's going on with the whole Children of Murata thing). Most of the constellations don't have that much narrative nuance though, so it's probably just a design choice and not actually that deep even if I am right about the hand being Crepus. I am fairly confident that Pulcinella is the mask and not the hand at least.
Mikhail the Fatui npc next to one of the Mondstat teleport points does talk about the 6th harbinger seat being vacant for years once you complete the Sumeru archon quest 🤔
Unique Character Model✔️ Looks Strong (Buff) As Hell✔️ Is Literally Always One Step Ahead Of The Traveler✔️ Travels Across Teyvat And And Notes That There Is Always Socio-Economic Turmoil In Their Wake✔️ Is Only Ever Found In A City With A Notable Fatui Presence ✔️ Name Sounds Like The German Word For "The Lovers"✔️ Liben is the 10th Fatui Harbinger.
not sure if someone's said this yet but what if the wheel isn't in order of which we fight them but in which their stories get played out as they relate to the fatui, ex. signora literally dying, scaramouche leaving, and childe just kind of.... getting benched. it's speculated that mondstadt's port is coming soon and while it's probable that it will include another interlude chapter for dainsleif and abyss lore is it possible that we may get another quest where maybe we discover what happened to crepus (as in his story as a harbinger)? maybe not leading up to his death but at least up to his betraying the fatui which could also make up for the fact that it takes place in the harbor... perhaps coming from (i'm so sorry for the unholy spelling you're about to wittness) szhenznia. anyway tahnk you for baring with me i hope this makes at least some ammount of sense! i'm not hugely into the lore community so i don't know if there's reason this might be wrong or not but yeah! hope this was at least interestin
Upon my first encounter with the "missing tenth Harbinger" I thought of the Abyss Twin, or Innamorati, at first, assigned a honorary seat in absentia. Pierro and said twin would've known each other from the Khaen'riah Disaster, and subsequent Irminsul meddling could've tipped Pierro off to its machinations. Even in this framework you've laid it that's still a possibility; swap Arlecchino's constellation to the Hand of Glory, implying a later betrayal on her part, and give the Crying Theater Mask to the Abyss Twin - who is missing their counterpart.
Fatui is literally the enemy of the abyss why would the abyss sibling join them when they harmed the abyss sibling's ''people'' ? And also the sibling hates every god for the same thing she/he would never side with gods after they destroyed everything (Khaenri'ah)
@@Talia_Lols I’m not entirely convinced that the Fatui is the enemy of the Abyss. They’re DEFINITELY enemies of Celestia, but they have a lot of ties and investments to the Abyss. Pierro, Childe, Scaramouche, and (unconfirmed:) Capitano all have direct ties to the Abyss. If Capitano IS the bloodstained knight, then he would have sworn himself to it. I’m not entirely convinced that The Jester ISN’T an agent of the Abyss Order using the Tsaritsa and the Fatui for their own gain. Much of the research and investigations he is spearheading tie directly into understanding forbidden knowledge, existence beyond the firmament, abyssal corruption, etc. All of which the Abyss order is ALSO searching for. So maybe the Fatui are (intentionally or not) allied with the order to destroy the current world order. And, if they are, is the Tsaritsa fully aware? She may be knowingly leading her people to commit atrocities, but is she doing so with the same goals as her ambitious Khaenri’an advisor who has a history of secretly resenting the royalty he serves. Enjou, who gleefully admitted to betraying his “allies” to stir up trouble for his own gain keeps coming to mind. The abyss sibling may be a figurehead in the order, but their title as “highness” and their throwaway lines about making reports on their actions implies they are NOT the ones calling the big shots. So who is?
I like this theory, however let me bring this point to light. Arlecchino is more like the traitor so she would have the hand of glory. The Sad mask you gave her doesn't make since if you look at what Pierro means, he means the sad clown, hence why the sad mask and it being alone. Edit: just finished this video and saw that you said exactly what I was talking about
I'm incline to believe that Pierro is not a harbinger, but Hoyo will have some explaining to do. First the ranking who seem.....peculiar. In he's voice line scara was making fun of sandrone for being just a rank below him. But in the flash back with signora she said that scara was aove her just because of he's peculiar constitution.... He's god form obviously have nothing to do with he's ranking. 2nd Varka said in he's letter from the event that he's more or less as strong as capitano, meaning the head of the knight of favonius is potentialy s strong as the N°1 harbinger who is said as strong as gods, not that it's a problem but that no easy feat(in the case that capitano is n°1) . As the 'director' and founder of the organisation as you say he's not necessarly the stronger but he still have to be at a certain level to be able to unit a group like that. I mean I don't believe Childe, Scara, and Signora would cooperate just with some moving speech. And finally the ''missing harbinger" nobody mention him/her (we never know). Even if the harbinger don't talk about it, the underlings never mention a potential vacant seat (Signora and scara exclude of course). well that just some random thinking really interesting video
@Blaze that just conditional, of course I didn't say it was litteraly true. Then again I more of the kind who believe that infos are incomplete rather than totally wrong
the outro made me think a bit about the "elves".. so the characters with such ears are Klee, Nahida, Layla, Pulcinella and I guess Rukkhadevatta.. and while they could just be another species in teyvat it wasn't mentioned anywhere like the katzlein and adepti. So could it be possible that every character with elf ears is born from Irminsul branches like Nahida and Rukkhadevatta? If that would be the case Alice snaped a branch from Irminsul and made Klee?
Big props to ashikai to remove the name of the former VA of tignari from the video at 3:45 . people like him should not recieve any sort of platform or recognition
On the Fatui Wheel if we assume that we fight people in order starting from childe we should consider that Fontaine is the next region it might make sense as to why Fontaine is where we would meet a harbinger with the Criminal themed constellation.
11 numbered harbingers 1 joker 1 queen , this kinda similar to a deck of cards with 10 numbered cards 1 joker 1 queen 1 king and i m convinced that this has to mean something
I'm pretty sure this theory was originally born from some leaks that come out a few months that kinda confirmed that Pierro wasn't infact an harbinger but just the director the same leaks also told us that capitano was N1 and that he was the strongest human in teyvat
just a little something that i noticed when the hand was being talked about saying how it's the left that gets used, well if if you look at the hand the constellation portrays it's a right hand, this isn't anything big just thought that it was interesting that it's reversed if that's what there going for
Little thing to point out, while Columbia does technically have feathers in her hair, I'm pretty sure they're wings and in particular, that of a seraphim.
i… honestly think the fatui might be supposed to be parallel to the 13 flamechasers, but kebin would be parallel to pierro in role probably attention: parallel in story role
Now that we know that we will cross paths with Arleccinoin Fontaine, it actually makes sense for her to have the hand of glory as her constellation, if the theory with the order in which we fight the harbingers turns out to be true.
Love the theory. Everyone I talk to thinks of Mondstadt as being too vanilla no “starter” area. It has some of the most unhinged characters 😂. Can’t wait for Albedo to destroy the city of wind
What about my random live dead live dead theory?! lmao. From Tartaglia, he lives Next to him counter clockwise, Signora, she died Next to her, Scaramouche, he lives Next to him hand of glory (assume crepus) he died and so on? Stretchiest of stretch kekw.
Theory: Focalors is the missing 12th harbinger due to pretended to be a hydro archon to kill the original hydro archon via assassination, and so the 1st hydro archon was focalor's first victim and her next victim are the traveler and the rest of the people in fontaine and other people who were not/outside of fontaine who were came from the different nations/countries, if focalors existed, she will tell the truth infront of everyone in fontaine that she is the long-lost member of the fatui harbinger (due to planned to target/kill/assassinate the traveler for inflitrating fontaine)
Now that i see it, and yes it leads to the same thing but through a slight departure, the constellation (besides a hand of glory) could also be a hand gripping a vision tightly (might have been my blindness but ut looked like it to me), which is, too, one of the two things crepus wanted the most alongside being a knight before diluc's birth
If it means anything, the Dilucsion always reminded me of Oath of Judah and the Herrscher of Binding (before I realized judah and judas were different things I thought this more likely given judas was the betrayer) and those had a power that ran counter to every herrscher before them by surpressing their innate power (along with all other types of energy but-) so it lines up with the dilucsion being the one belonging to a traitor, and it also lines up with it being used against powerful supernatural entities. Tho dottore acting like hes never seen it before probably throws a wrench in the possibility of the fatui issuing it to crepus..
It’s also been that we’ve found out they’re fatui or their back story in that order. So even if we don’t fight them we might find out more. Fontaine is also wherea lot of gadgets and things are made so maybe it’s where dilucs family delusion was mad, prehaps it was a proto type or what the others are based off, as the fatui delusions don’t seem to be the same as the everyday day type that suck the life force from people. Which led me to thinking what is it the fatui fighters use? They’re elemental use seems to come from the tech they use rather than themselves But hand of god being made from a criminal and Fontaine is the land of judgement and justice so that would tie in
Does anyone else think that Childe is like 70% more intimidating in those clothes? Like the clothes are doing all the heavy lifting here, I mean I love the vibe but like it’s just the clothes right? Or is this just a me thing?
@@coca_0146 yeaaaaaah that too. It’s also probably because he’s normally smiling so I’m like who are you and what have you done with childe? Adding to the scare/intimidation factor
Well, I can see Crepus being the missing Harbinger, it might explain the constant closeness between Mondstadt and Snezhnaya both in the comic and in the game plot
I don't think so considering how much Diluc hates the Fatui, and with how good he is at intelligence gathering and spying you'd think he knew his father was a harbinger
@@Cappy_Cat well, he might hate them precisely because he learned that his father belonged to them AFTER they just killed him for whatever reason. After all, Diluc didn't know his own father that well, and he remembers him as someone kinda far from him (remember the Of Drink a Dreaming event) Edit: also, Diluc receives his Vision after using his father's delusion and getting rid of it, as it can be seen as a way to cut ties with that part of his family's past and to declare the definite war on the Fatui
@@erikboncoref.7020 Well the Fatui didn't kill, Crepus, he essentially killed himself by using a delusion fighting Ursa, also that's the big thing, he died using the delusion once, the other harbingers have used their delusions countless times over and over again never dying as a result, yet this supposed 10th harbinger who is stronger than Childe (a character able to use his delusion for extended periods of time) dies just like that. It doesn't make sense to me if he would have been the 10th
@@Cappy_Cat well, Childw didn't face the residue of an ancient god as Ursa the Drake, and the Fatui were the actual responsibles of waking it up. If not, then I don't think Diluc might have such a huge resentment towards the Fatui
Everytime I hear the number 12, as a czech person, especially if its a group of 12 people I can't help but think of the czech fairytale about the 12 months/moons from Božena Němcovás fairytale collection
Oh, it's actually decently popular in Russia too. A soviet writer was inspired by this fairytale and wrote a play... There are a lot of differences between the play and the original fairytale though. I wonder whether the fatui are actually a reference to either of these now too, never thought about it before
@@_dragonflies_ true true, and there is an idea of the 13th month in the Russian story as far as i remember, aaaaand i just remembered the Chinese zodiac, comprised of 12 animals AND the cat being the 13th one who lost the race because of the mouse's (1st zodiac on the race) deception!!!
I love the idea of Crepus being a Harbinger. The angst? The plot twist? The tie back to the manga? I would adore it. It's pretty crack but it's a fun crack. These bizzare theories are the most fun to watch honestly.
Would explain how diluc could infiltrate with his bright red hair. Fatuis: oh red haired guy in a fatui uniform? Must be crepus lol. No one else got a bright red hair here
An interesting thing that people have noted is the presence of the Fatui Leitmotif in Fischl's themes, leading people to believe that Fischl (or her family) have connections with the Fatui (Perhaps via the Adventurer's Guild) OR that the Princess Fischl that Amy based her persona off of maybe related to the Fatui or even the Tsaritsa herself (Especially when fairy tales and allegories are currently more reliable sources of information than "factual" records because of the Irminsul Tree.)
My personal brainrot is that Columbina is Fishl, as in the person both Flowers for Princess Fishl, The Legendary Halberd and (maybe) Mina of a fallen Nation are based on.
i'd go with princess fischl than fischl/amy when it comes to having connections with the fatui. that book was just so sus. and with the irminsul in the picture, i wouldn't be surprised if the fatui leitmotif was foreshadowing princess fischl's connections to the fatui or the tsarista
I read somewhere that the book "Flowers for Princess Fischl" could be based on Rosalyne or Signora. I think Fischl's demo had similarities in her ost that can be heard in Signora's boss theme. But I could be wrong.
The biggest brainrot theory I ever have had in Genshin comes about because of this (TLDR at the end for those who see this and don't want to read everything) Flowers Vol. 1 describes two characters Zarathustra and The Musician, both are to give the praises of the Princess Fischl, one who claims her agony and pain, while the other voices her brave travels, it is also clarified she does not favor the latter because she would be ashamed of it. Hope you're ready for a ride. Zarathustra, is actually not a German name, it is another name for Zoroaster who was an Iranian prophet that essentially founded a religion. We have someone who has spoken about the Tsaritsa who basically founded his own religion Zhongli. Does anyone recall the Dialogue with Zhongli during Rex Lapis' "funeral" he brings up the Cryo Archon and has a very lamenting tone, much like how Zarathustra proclaims Princess Fischl's agony. Meanwhile, Venti is a bard, a type of musician, who mentioned the Tsaritsa and him being friends and he evenly spoke very highly of her, but he also says for whatever reason after The Event happened 500 years ago, she cut off all contact with Venti, maybe hinting she feels kind of guilty for betraying Celestia because she feels her friend would not agree, or maybe (and more likely) the brave adventure even refers to the Cataclysm and maybe even the Archon War before that? This makes sense because if she truly turned her back on the way the world is now, she would be understandably ashamed of the pain and death she made others suffer (especially Khaerianh), this is compacted even more because from what we know of the Tsaritsa she seemed to have been a genuinely kind and caring person (especially with her concept being Love?) And she might have been the youngest and most naive of the Archons at the time, if we ignore if she participated in the Archon War violently for a moment, it makes sense she never had to deal with a major problem like say Rhukkadehvata did with Deshret and his pursuit of Forbidden Knowledge or the constant threat of erosion and evil plaguing Liyue, or even the constant rebellion from the people of Sangonomiya like Raiden, it is entirely possible the Tsaritsa was just what is essentially a young naive Princess who spent most of her days playing and seeing her people prosper until she coldened and hardened upon returning from the Cataclysm. The first volume mentions a lot of opera this and opera that, well the Harbingers are literally inspired from the Stock characters from Commedia Dell' Arte an opera! The book also makes references to fighting monster after monster that were all powerful and formidable, sounds a lot like Rhinedottir's creations when they went rogue. TLDR; Flowers for Princess Fischl is a book telling the story of the Princess of Snehznaya, before she became the Tsaritsa, Zarathustra and The Musician who go around and talk about Fischl are Zhongli and Venti respectively and I wasted a LOT of sleep a few months ago when I was researching for this brainrot theory
I think its practically confirmed that there is a missing harbinger, since Arlecchino is now confirmed to be the 4th. Pierro has to be the Director and not the 1st because Capitano has be ranked higher. Capitano can't be the 10th because Childe said the Captain was ranked too high for him to notice Childe.
i think i remember Childe’s voice lines about Arleccino being along the lines of her being a traitor, or willing to betray the Fatui for her own ends. That would make the Traitor/ Hand of Glory constellation being Arleccino make more sense. 20:25
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 Though the mask can also just be Pierro given his codename as the Jester. Edit. The crying mask in theater also represents tragedy which could relate to his origins.
Well none of this aged that well. Though I do wonder if they changed Arlecchino's characterization after fans responded so positively to her character design.
@@xiarabell I honestly looked it up around different sites, from what I found there are multiple ways to understand Major Arcana and sometimes even the order is different like Justice and Strength like swapping places with each other. Anyway have fun reading about them, there are some curious tidbits like The High Priestess can be called The Popess.
Oh holy crap I never thought of that but I like that! I may look through it myself. Probably going to update this whenever I decide which one is which. Edit: So, the Major Arcana is comprised of 22 cards, which would either give us 2 per Harbinger and leave out Pierro, or we have 10 cards that do not match a single Harbinger (9 if you give the Tsaritsa a card). I’m going to go the latter route, simply because it feels more fair. Pierro is definitely The Fool card. Normally, it is associated with folly, mania, and betrayal, which I feel fits. Reversed doesn’t offer as many traits I feel could be argued, barring two: nullity and apathy.
we don't know much about Pierro, so I'm not sure if the fool would fit him, but if the theories about he being from khaenri'eh are right, it would kinda fit captano being the magician can make sense dottore being the high priestess is REALLY odd to me, but I guess it's because you might think since he want to make a god and the high priestess is a priestess it makes sense, but the card of the hierophant is more related to god than the high priestess columbina as the empress makes some sense arlecchino as the emperor also makes sense (specially with lyney and lynette calling her as father) pulcinella being the hierophant makes sense to me, he is the prefect of snezhnaya as far as I know, he is there to protect the others and guide the way scaramouche being the lovers make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE, don't even try to argue, if someone should be the lovers, it had to be at least la signora or someone with more duality sandrone I don't know much, but she being the chariot isn't impossible la signora as the justice... it doesn't fit well... she is a bit blind by her emotions, she being the justice is not a good fit pantalone being the hermit is kinda interesting, specially because he is not favored by the gods (visionless) so he is in a way alone, just like a hermit, also hermit knows a deep truth, hidden... and well, so does pantalone, after all he has the world in his hand without any actual power, only by the power of money if the missing fatui is really diluc's father, I can understand he being the wheel of fortune, after all it's about destiny and circles repeating, like a fatui killing people and then him himself being killed by them and his son now hating fatuis just like one day he started to, since he left childe being strength for who doesn't know about arcanas makes completely sense, but no... strength talks about the true power in the reasoning and thinking that is strong enough to tame a beast, a lion... childe is a muscle brain, he is not a good fit for the strength card I'm kinda sad that if that was somehow true, none of them would be some of the most interesting arcanas like hangedman, tower, star, moon, judgement, world and my favorite, death, death arcana is literally the most interesting arcana, it doesn't talk about the end, but about a new start, the death arcana is the symbol of rebirth, the symbol of ending something is actually the world
@@TnsfFun most of these issues in sites might be wrong translations and the only arcana that actually change places is the fool, who can be either the 0 (first) or the 22 (last), but really, popess is just a shitty translation and if someone has to be a pope, it has to be the hierophant
I always wondered where Crepus’ delusion came from… this actually makes so much sense and the facial hair + clothes too is insanely something Hoyo would do..to not be boring really. I feel like one day we will know of this in a Autumn patch / around Dorman port or Snezhnahya + edit: fun fact, I am Italian and Brighella in Italian literally means something like, “marachella”, an old way to say “little chaos” or something children would do
@@_3ero_241 Its really spooky. I have photoshop so i took the Harbinger clock and aligned the hands to different points based on what happened so far and got different times on the clock with Tsarista being Noon/Midnight. It was very very eerie.
Even if Crepus wasn't the secret Harbinger this does make me think he had SOME connection to or dirt on thr Fatui, because everything you point out really does make his death look like a hit. Also, Tartaglia is opposite the Fatui symbol. I think, going by his story quest, he's got a huge internal conflict going on between his duty to the Fatui and his fondness for his family. I'm convinced this is going to come up as him being forced to make a choice between the two. So the opposition theory does still check out, but for him it's an internal conflict instead of external like it is with Scaramouche and Dottore.
at this point i wouldn't put it past them at all (and then we get the whole talk about equivalent exchange and how his soul is bound to a pile of metal)
Another crack theory i have that isn't very likely to be true because it'd be ehhh, is that the missing harbinger is that guy you get in a Liyue commission that says he's just an ordinary person fishing to pass the time, but he can also get rid of monsters with ease without lifting a finger, he also says that he has done bad things in the past which is why he no longer uses his real name
He’ll probably play some role in the future but him being a fatui harbinger is unlikely because of his design. The harbingers are all designed very lavishly and in my opinion all look like they’re going to be playable in the future and he’s just too npc looking to actually be a character of that importance
@@pclsn But what if it was a disguise? If you did all the archon quest, we can remember that (insert the read more), so we still can't slash out that possibility. For spoilers, "Dottore used a disguise too"
![[2.7] A First Look at the Fatui Harbingers - A Genshin Impact Theory and Analysis](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lt_gdf47eGw/mqdefault.jpg)
![[2.7] A First Look at the Fatui Harbingers - A Genshin Impact Theory and Analysis](/img/tr.png)
![[4.0] Dottore was in Fontaine - A Genshin Impact Theory](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/be-n0b3cKWQ/mqdefault.jpg)
![[4.3] What's the deal with Zhongli? - A Genshin Impact Theory](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LXb-oJYQF7I/mqdefault.jpg)
![[3.5] Is Childe Descended From Mondstadt Nobility? - Genshin Impact Character Inspiration Analysis](/img/n.gif)
Childe says that "If she stood to benefit from betraying others, she'd turn against the Tsaritsa in a heartbeat." in his voice line about Arlecchino, implying the possibility of a betrayal, and Scaramouche calls her a " wolf in sheep's clothing", so she could be the hand of glory.
the 10th being the mask also makes sense if he/she is a liar, spy or simply a hidden character we will meet and discover his true identity later as those 3 things would make the double-face mask a fitting symbol for he/she more than to arlecchino whose every voiceline she gets more & more traitorous, arlecchino also steals children from other nations so the hand of glory is punishment for thieves part also fits
Also in the commedia Arlecchino always goes against his master and is a trickster, crook, skilled at deception, so It make sense for her to be the hand of glory
And I just found out that Pierro is Colombina's housband and that's why he is opposed to Arlecchino, that is Colombina's secret lover! (In the commedia)
@@thurenspascal1581 yep although hoyo has not shown anything between those 3 yet (or ever knowing them and making cannon relationships in genshin lol); some version of the commedia turn the columbina/pierro/arlecchino love triangle into a love-square with columbina acting VERY flirty-touchy with capitano when her other 2 lovers are close, with other versions even having capitano & columbina 2 as the innamorati instead of signora, i'm very interested to see what hoyo will do with these 4 relationships lol
there's also a flame on the hand of glory, and arlecchino literally runs "the house of the hearth" (though the crying mask also fits... who knows)
It’s simple. The missing harbinger is the harbinger of dawn (3 star sword)
The harbinger of dawn...
winery
Diluc's father Crepus
@@drachenhexer dilucs 5th constellation is named "phoenix: harbinger of dawn" as well. And iirc it's shaped like a bird of prey because crepus loved drawing them.
Kaeya also gifted us with Harbinger of Dawn after his story quest so there is that.
I can only think of Bondrewd from MIA
OMG DILUC FONTAINE BOSS FIGHT? 😮
I think I found the mistranslated script that caused a lot of misunderstanding.
Tartaglia words on Pierro in English:
He was the first ever fatui Harbinger, and today he's our leader.
The original Chinese script:
他是愚人众最初的执行官，也是今日执行官们的领袖..
Proper translation:
He is the first ever Harbinger of the Fatui, and nowadays he's ALSO the leader of the Harbingers.
If it's past tense "was" in Chinese, it would have been 曾经是 or 曾是 or 以前是。but the script only said “是” which is just present tense "is".
So TL;DR the script NEVER specified if he quit a Harbinger seat some time in the past, it just pointed out he's status as "The first ever harbinger (without specifying seat number)" while ALSO being the leader at present.
I've seen you (or was it someone else with the default icon?) copy and paste this about... 5 times at the very least, I wanna say? But it's still information that I think more people need to be aware of, so keep it going!
Actually, all the confusion began when a famous leaker, who as of now hasn't been wrong a single time, said that Capitano was number 1, so people had to create reasons was to why Pierro wouldn't be number 1, and right now it's just a accepted thing by the community that Pierro is number 0, with Capitano in number 1.
I feel like this slightly misses the point of the video. The point is more about "are they specifically #1 or not?", and less "are they a harbinger at all?"
@@Naokarma if someone says “also” it implies that they do more than one thing. In this case, saying “also the leader” implies he’s the first harbinger and a leader, giving him two roles. So it does answer whether or not he is currently the first harbinger. You don’t say “also our leader” without putting putting words that indicate passing event or it’ll be taken as a current statement.
@@The1andonlysharpshooter it would be kinda like in a school right ? The fatuis are the students, the harbingers are the student council and Pierro (who is also apart of the student council) is the president of them. (I know it's kinda a strange example but I think that's the best way to put it to explain lol)
He's both the leader and a harbinger
As a Chinese speaker thanking for pointing out the fact the localization messed up the “seat” thing that has been driving me up the wall for ages. It’s pretty frustrating how much gets omitted or outright erased because of improper translation
@Blaze do you mean with the harbingers specifically??
@Blaze So far for the Harbingers the only big things were their seats and Pierro’s role as the founder of the Harbingers. I believe another had to do with which members were recruited by Pierro .(i’ll have to look more into this one)
Another localization thing I still see around is the Twins being minors when they are actually at least one thousand years old and that they are of the divine not mortal
I think the biggest difference is context for both, they relatively mean the same thing. But 神明 leans more towards “god” and 魔神 leans more towards demon. There are other things
I’d have to look through my notes
(Sorry my English isn’t great, does this make sense??)
@@Hyopomora Oh the twins being minors isn't a localization error, it's a misunderstanding. They just look young so a lot of people took that as their chronological age because it matches their physical age.
@Blaze sure,
So to start, the spacing is gonna be a bit odd because of keyboard sorry
These characters mean
秘密secret; clandestine; confidential;
classified
新兵new recruit, recruit,rookie
首席seat of honour; chief; the first place
大人 adult; grown-up;
(To clarify these characters have many meanings but in this context this is a decent translation)
The translation of this: 請務必盡快撤離，將尋回『內森」秘密報告的稻妻新兵交予首席執行官大人
Is “Please be sure to evacuate as soon as possible, and hand over to the General the recruit who found "Nathan" and secretly reported it.”
It’s a bit rough for English but I hope it makes some sense
@Blaze it translates to “Overseer” “Director” “executive”
After 4.2, Arlecchino is number 4, so Capitano HAS TO BE 1, cuz like Childe says how Capitano is so beyond him in rank and strength, if the rank represent strength, capitano can't be 10th, so there might actually be a 10th missing fatui, and Diluc's father makes a lot of sense actually, the crack theory is pretty good
Adding on to this. Let's say Crepus was the 10th Harbinger, but now that spot is vacant. Hear me out:
"Sorry... to also have you shoulder the grievances of the world."
"Since you could endure my bitter cold, you must have the desire to burn?"
"Then, burn away the old world for me."
- Shivada Jade Gemstone Description
What if the Traveler will eventually be assigned a role in the Fatui Harbingers among their ranks. So far, most of the Gemstone Descriptions seem to reflect the stories within the nations that the Gemstones' elements were based off on.
Maybe, upon visiting Snezhnaya, there will come a point where the Traveler will work with the Harbingers to do **something**, and be temporarily assigned a Harbinger seat. In a sense, the Traveler will "be a traitor" to whatever destiny Fate has assigned them. I feel like they need to introduce a very convincing enough reason for the Traveler to even think about joining the Harbingers.
IMO, it's even harder to make convincing reason for Paimon to join force with the Fatui. She has very black and white morality (even more than the Traveller, I think) and sometimes is too dumb for her own good (like insulting Scara when the tone is serious or questioning Traveller's decision when they decided to work with the "bad guys" (the Hoarders/the Fatui)
that doesnt make sense... 😂the spot CANT BE VACANT...
remember by this logic.. ranks 2-11 where vacant..
then dotteiro joined cleary the oldest besides perrio so taht means 3-11 where vacant..
aka the logic requires there where 11 seats from the start..
there where 10 harbinger at one point.. then later 11 when childe joined.. does this mean seat 11 was vacant before childe joined?
@@InanisNihil maybe 10th is reserved for someone else. Specifically a person Pierro is looking for perhaps. But i don't think the Traveller fits in the 10th spot, he/she is too powerful for that.
@@InanisNihil clearly you haven't watched the video yet....
All of this is speculative
@@hmstransit909 I agree with this, which is why I think something really REALLY drastic will happen around Natlan that will convince Traveler and Paimon to team up with the Fatui.
If rumors are to be believed, we will face off against Capitano in Natlan - one of the "noblest" of the Harbingers.
What I find interesting about Crepus is that in the manga (if I remember it right) we never actually see his whole face/ his eyes specifically. Doesn't prove anything, I just found it a bit strange because we see the eyes of basically every other person in the manga.
Someone was trying to convince me of an idea like this recently and I was like, "yeeeeah, I don't really see that because why would Hoyo go out of their way to tell us about _every_ Harbinger and just not talk about some left over Harbinger?" but if it's someone who was a traitor (Crepus or otherwise) that would make more sense. Either way, I'm willing to wait and see where Hoyo goes with this.
I really think the hand is Arlecchino's constellation, and she is def gonna end up as a traitor.
This comment aged very well
That's actually a very good theory.
The "opposing spots" in the wheel is a bit off, but what if we fight Crepus via Leyline memories somehow?
BRO I WOULD LOVE IF CREPUS WAS A FATUI HARBINGER!!! LIKE AHHH THAT WOULD GIVE SO MUCH CHARACTER TO DILUC!!! I already love Diluc’s character, but I love when Hoyo gives lore to Mondstat characters since Mondstat’s seen as the “happy go lucky region” of Teyvat even though most of the characters are hella depressed
I know the Traveler hates the Fatui as much as Diluc does, but in order to talk to Tsarista, Traveler might leave Paimon behind to become a Fatui Harbinger, filling in the missing 10th spot as Innamorati, the Lover. That's my theory of the story in the Snezhnaya Archon Quest.
we are just at the sumeru chapter and the traveler is already at least as powerful as scara in base form. arrived at snezaya it will be at least as powerful as 1 siege of the 11 since the power of the traveler increases exponentially. it wouldn't make sense for him to become the 10th given his power
"Innamorati" is a plural form, and the Traveler would most likely go by a singular form which is "Innamorato" UNLESS he/she and Paimon will be treated as one harbinger which is entirely possible
I also believe this. Either us, or the other sibling is a secret harbinger, like a double spy of some sort.
Also, don't think the nation of cryo will let us enter that easily, so in order to talk to Tsaritsa, we will become one of the fatui.
😱
yess I honestly feel like travellers gonna become an honorary harbinger too lmao since they gain a new position in every region 😂
I think the Clawed Hand is Arlecchino's constellation because of her Hilichurl hands
The hand of glory ABSOLUTELY APPEARS TO APPLY TO ARLECCINO. And i really hope you come back to this when you talk about her.
I have one more candidate for the mystery harbinger. Jianxue(or whatever his name is), the guy who keeps fishing near the Wangshu Inn. He is said to be tooo powerful, even able to take down a ruin hunter faster than traveller could even see. Childe had to use a lot of power to defeat some ruin guards, and that was completely trackable by traveller. It is safe to assume that a ruin hunter is more powerful than ruin guard. ANd jianxue defeats it faster than traveller can even see what happens. That particular ruin hunter is cannonically too strong for even the traveller. Even jianxue himself said taht he did some bad things when he had his vision, etc. So he quit that life after doing one last thing that he had to do. So its either he was associated with some bandits or treasure hoarders...OR the fatui themselves.
i honestly feel like he's more likely to be some sort of adeptus tbh
18:34 either we get a new owner of that one or Crepus isnt actually dead idfk and 20:14 a second point invthe wiki of brighella it says that he is seen as arleccchino's smarter and more vindictive older brother
i just found something in fontaine that made me think of this theory
in fontaine there's a series of quests called "good stuff, but terrible taste". tl;dr is that you run into this little girl/artist named salsa and you help her rearrange puzzles so they look nicer and don't ruin the scenery.
in the 5th encounter with her, after you've fixed the puzzle, you talk to her and she suggests making an organization to stop the adventurers guild from ruining the scenery with their puzzles.
in this dialogue she dubs you and paimon members 1 and 2 of the organization, and paimon says "but if we're members number one and two, then what about you, salsa?" and salsa responds with "I'm the founder, so of course I'm number zero!" (you can find a full transcript of the quest on the genshin wiki)
theres probably not actually a connection there but it's certainly interesting
watching it after 4.0 i think lyney might be the theatre mask
I agree with this theory both from the evidence and other reasons. It never made sense to me for Arlecchino to be 10th based on how she interacted with the other harbingers, and this just gets further backing from every time we see the harbinger order presented in voice lines along with how she is talked about. People try to counter Arlecchino being 4th by using the voicelines of her underlings from that 1 world quest where they say they want to raise her prestige, but prestige =/= rank, so we don't actually know what was being referenced. Also if we fight Arlecchino it wouldn't make sense to go from recently fighting Scaramouche at rank 6 to Arlecchino if she was only rank 10.
Also, people seem to forget that Childe is a very very new harbinger, there could've originally been only 9 harbingers and they were looking for a 10th(or some other shenanigans with the 10th seat, but before Childe if there was no one in the 10th seat it wouldn't really be viewed as missing a spot even if they wanted to fill it), but then Childe came along, so and they made him seat 11 which could explain the weirdness around Childe's seat number and why he gets mocked for it.
Leaks:
Leaks state that the order Ashikai presented is the correct order, 10th seat is indeed empty.
At 18:13 if we look at pierro we can see his "button" on his left shoulder looking like the symbel at the top of the harbinger constellation wheel. So there are 12 constellations and his being the top one may mean that he isnt a "ranked" harbinger.
we need a update on this vid plz after knowing the black hand is the father no?
As a Capitano superfan the possibility that he could be amongst the Top 3 Fatui Harbingers fills me with such joy
This theory is a long shot, but Pierro and Scaramouche are the only characters whose names are not Italian (Pedrolino and Scaramuccia). It is canon after the particular Archon Quest that Scaramouche was never a seated Fatui Harbinger, perhaps Pierro's non-Italian name may be an indication that he was not a seated Fatui Harbinger.
But, wasn't Scaramouche the sixth seat?
In Mondstadt there are npcs next to waypoint who talks about missing 10 th Harbinger
I mean 2 things about where childe is facing on the constellation wheel 1. it also points to a delusion so I'm thinking maybe it's about how he struggles with his delusion with how it often backfires on him, sure delusions are supposedly bad for everyone but he is the youngest harbinger so I guess it could make sense for him to not be used to it however it seems all the other confirmed harbingers have only stood to benefit from delusions SO FAR as scaramouche distributed them and signora would've turned into ashes way before getting torn to oblivion without her cryo delusion and 2. if you're right about the mask at the top being pirerro with how it looks like pale flame circlet you can kind of link it to his about pierro voiceline as he states he doesn't really care for pierro and only cares abt serving the tsartistsa
another thing is I think there's a chance arelecchino could be both the hand and the mask due to her being "2 faced" and scara says she has a "true self" or smth so ig that could be it but mb not bc childe also kinda has that but then again I think that's more him trying not to get put in jail for being a serial killer and protecting tuecer so idk but with how fontaine is looking it could match the boss order if we fight arelecchino in fontaine and columbina and capitano in natlan since most people are guessing that we'll meet columbina and capitano in natlan and with the current rate of the harbinger appearances it would kinda make sense for either half to be in shneznaya (arlecchino says in winter nights lasso that the others only ever stay in the comfort of their homeland so that would make sense) or we just don't fight them
Cool video, but who's Scaramouche?
ikr who is that
@Blaze Ikr? And in the video he somehow looks like Wanderer... I wonder why?
My crack headcanon is that the missing harbinger is our Twin. Since Pierro was the last surviving Khaenriyan on paper, it would be plausible that he had crossed paths with our Twin (especially since we know our Twin was present during the cataclysm & settled in Khaenriyah prior as implied by Dain).
Both may have survived the cataclysm and started the Fatui under the Tsaritsa's protection. Maybe Pierro's ambition no longer aligned with our twin with regards to Celestia at some point and so our Twin then joined the abyss, thus being a "traitor".🤷♂️
I'm pretty sure the crying mask is actually Pulcinella's (real world Pulcinella masks have big noses and are often either glaring or upset), which if the other currently unconfirmed ones are correct leaves the healing hand as the 10th seat. Notably about the healing hand constellation is that the fingers are detached, which isn't a universal part of the symbol that I could find, let alone the 'one finger only being detached at the finger tip' thing. Tinfoil hat time, but now we have Mavuika, a probable phoenix named after a goddess who was robbed of both fire and her fingernails. I hardly need to elaborate on the Ragnvindr-phoenix-fire association. So maybe, if you stretch really far on the conspiracy board, that could be more evidence that Crepus was the missing harbinger (& that the Ragnvindrs are connected to whatever's going on with the whole Children of Murata thing).
Most of the constellations don't have that much narrative nuance though, so it's probably just a design choice and not actually that deep even if I am right about the hand being Crepus. I am fairly confident that Pulcinella is the mask and not the hand at least.
Going back to this. the rebuttal was correct it was for frappechino.
This so good that the rebuttals are the ones that felt like a stretch. Thanks for putting all of this infos together!
Signora's constellation is all but confirmed, on the 2.1 preview page she was listed as an enemy and had the icon of a moth.
I had just rewatched your old harbinger video yesterday and was wondering what your new thoughts were! Glad you revisit old ideas to compare!
The 10th harbinger is the friends we've made along the way
Mikhail the Fatui npc next to one of the Mondstat teleport points does talk about the 6th harbinger seat being vacant for years once you complete the Sumeru archon quest 🤔
Imagine if the 10th harbinger was one of the playable character working right under Pierro to spy on us
🤯🤯🤯
Hoyo: write that down, write that down! ✍️
Unique Character Model✔️
Looks Strong (Buff) As Hell✔️
Is Literally Always One Step Ahead Of The Traveler✔️
Travels Across Teyvat And And Notes That There Is Always Socio-Economic Turmoil In Their Wake✔️
Is Only Ever Found In A City With A Notable Fatui Presence ✔️
Name Sounds Like The German Word For "The Lovers"✔️
Liben is the 10th Fatui Harbinger.
10 hours hourssss, why make me wait so longgg 😭😭
I love the song slaves Queens and Kings in persona 5. It’s so good.
not sure if someone's said this yet but what if the wheel isn't in order of which we fight them but in which their stories get played out as they relate to the fatui, ex. signora literally dying, scaramouche leaving, and childe just kind of.... getting benched. it's speculated that mondstadt's port is coming soon and while it's probable that it will include another interlude chapter for dainsleif and abyss lore is it possible that we may get another quest where maybe we discover what happened to crepus (as in his story as a harbinger)? maybe not leading up to his death but at least up to his betraying the fatui which could also make up for the fact that it takes place in the harbor... perhaps coming from (i'm so sorry for the unholy spelling you're about to wittness) szhenznia. anyway tahnk you for baring with me i hope this makes at least some ammount of sense! i'm not hugely into the lore community so i don't know if there's reason this might be wrong or not but yeah! hope this was at least interestin
I was super confused about this, thanks for the video. Because some people said he counted and others didn’t. Thank you for the vid :)
Upon my first encounter with the "missing tenth Harbinger" I thought of the Abyss Twin, or Innamorati, at first, assigned a honorary seat in absentia. Pierro and said twin would've known each other from the Khaen'riah Disaster, and subsequent Irminsul meddling could've tipped Pierro off to its machinations. Even in this framework you've laid it that's still a possibility; swap Arlecchino's constellation to the Hand of Glory, implying a later betrayal on her part, and give the Crying Theater Mask to the Abyss Twin - who is missing their counterpart.
I like the “missing counterpart” aspect of this.
Fatui is literally the enemy of the abyss why would the abyss sibling join them when they harmed the abyss sibling's ''people'' ? And also the sibling hates every god for the same thing she/he would never side with gods after they destroyed everything (Khaenri'ah)
@@Talia_Lols I’m not entirely convinced that the Fatui is the enemy of the Abyss. They’re DEFINITELY enemies of Celestia, but they have a lot of ties and investments to the Abyss. Pierro, Childe, Scaramouche, and (unconfirmed:) Capitano all have direct ties to the Abyss. If Capitano IS the bloodstained knight, then he would have sworn himself to it.
I’m not entirely convinced that The Jester ISN’T an agent of the Abyss Order using the Tsaritsa and the Fatui for their own gain. Much of the research and investigations he is spearheading tie directly into understanding forbidden knowledge, existence beyond the firmament, abyssal corruption, etc. All of which the Abyss order is ALSO searching for. So maybe the Fatui are (intentionally or not) allied with the order to destroy the current world order.
And, if they are, is the Tsaritsa fully aware? She may be knowingly leading her people to commit atrocities, but is she doing so with the same goals as her ambitious Khaenri’an advisor who has a history of secretly resenting the royalty he serves. Enjou, who gleefully admitted to betraying his “allies” to stir up trouble for his own gain keeps coming to mind.
The abyss sibling may be a figurehead in the order, but their title as “highness” and their throwaway lines about making reports on their actions implies they are NOT the ones calling the big shots. So who is?
I like this theory, however let me bring this point to light. Arlecchino is more like the traitor so she would have the hand of glory. The Sad mask you gave her doesn't make since if you look at what Pierro means, he means the sad clown, hence why the sad mask and it being alone.
Edit: just finished this video and saw that you said exactly what I was talking about
19:06 💀
Just a weird thought but most fatui enemies in game disintegrate when defeated kind of like Crepus
I'm incline to believe that Pierro is not a harbinger, but Hoyo will have some explaining to do.
First the ranking who seem.....peculiar. In he's voice line scara was making fun of sandrone for being just a rank below him. But in the flash back with signora she said that scara was aove her just because of he's peculiar constitution.... He's god form obviously have nothing to do with he's ranking.
2nd Varka said in he's letter from the event that he's more or less as strong as capitano, meaning the head of the knight of favonius is potentialy s strong as the N°1 harbinger who is said as strong as gods, not that it's a problem but that no easy feat(in the case that capitano is n°1) .
As the 'director' and founder of the organisation as you say he's not necessarly the stronger but he still have to be at a certain level to be able to unit a group like that. I mean I don't believe Childe, Scara, and Signora would cooperate just with some moving speech.
And finally the ''missing harbinger" nobody mention him/her (we never know). Even if the harbinger don't talk about it, the underlings never mention a potential vacant seat (Signora and scara exclude of course).
well that just some random thinking really interesting video
@Blaze that just conditional, of course I didn't say it was litteraly true. Then again I more of the kind who believe that infos are incomplete rather than totally wrong
the outro made me think a bit about the "elves".. so the characters with such ears are Klee, Nahida, Layla, Pulcinella and I guess Rukkhadevatta.. and while they could just be another species in teyvat it wasn't mentioned anywhere like the katzlein and adepti. So could it be possible that every character with elf ears is born from Irminsul branches like Nahida and Rukkhadevatta? If that would be the case Alice snaped a branch from Irminsul and made Klee?
Love this theorizing and it actually seems to make sense. Thanks for the vid!
Big props to ashikai to remove the name of the former VA of tignari from the video at 3:45 . people like him should not recieve any sort of platform or recognition
On the Fatui Wheel if we assume that we fight people in order starting from childe we should consider that Fontaine is the next region it might make sense as to why Fontaine is where we would meet a harbinger with the Criminal themed constellation.
11 numbered harbingers 1 joker 1 queen , this kinda similar to a deck of cards with 10 numbered cards 1 joker 1 queen 1 king
and i m convinced that this has to mean something
Van you give more details?Explanation?
I think capitano's logo might be the middle top on, it matches witch his helm it
12:39 WHY DID I THINK YOU WERE GOING TO SAY CHARLES 😭😭😭
I'm pretty sure this theory was originally born from some leaks that come out a few months that kinda confirmed that Pierro wasn't infact an harbinger but just the director
the same leaks also told us that capitano was N1 and that he was the strongest human in teyvat
@Blaze no the leak specifically told that he was Human
I will say, this theory makes me actually like the whole there is no number ten theory
bro whoever made the crepus thing is soo fkn good
Edit: the theory I mean
omg, I love this crack theory about Diluc's dad
just a little something that i noticed when the hand was being talked about saying how it's the left that gets used, well if if you look at the hand the constellation portrays it's a right hand, this isn't anything big just thought that it was interesting that it's reversed if that's what there going for
Capitano's crossed nails are on his helmet, upside down.
Little thing to point out, while Columbia does technically have feathers in her hair, I'm pretty sure they're wings and in particular, that of a seraphim.
HELLO THOSE OF A YEAR AGO! The real lost one is the mask, with the symbol being arlecchinos... chair. for some reason.
Her constellation is probably her cursed hand holding a flaming ember.
Wow you really predicted arlecchino's rank 😱 now the only one missing that is the 10th seat being unknown 😳
The 10th seat is Ashikai the Harbinger of theory!
And the fact that Crepus decayed could point to the fact the he might just be a clone well the one that died etleast
i… honestly think the fatui might be supposed to be parallel to the 13 flamechasers, but kebin would be parallel to pierro in role probably
attention: parallel in story role
Now that we know that we will cross paths with Arleccinoin Fontaine, it actually makes sense for her to have the hand of glory as her constellation, if the theory with the order in which we fight the harbingers turns out to be true.
Love the theory. Everyone I talk to thinks of Mondstadt as being too vanilla no “starter” area. It has some of the most unhinged characters 😂. Can’t wait for Albedo to destroy the city of wind
What about my random live dead live dead theory?! lmao.
From Tartaglia, he lives
Next to him counter clockwise, Signora, she died
Next to her, Scaramouche, he lives
Next to him hand of glory (assume crepus) he died
and so on?
Stretchiest of stretch kekw.
Is the top icon just a Fatui symbol? If not, I saw it on The Rooster's outfit
Also Crepus could be short for "crepusculum" (latin for dusk), the opposite (turncoat) of dawn
Glad to see Tignari VA erased from the irminsul
I accept this theory, just because it would mean the absolute gigachad Capitano gets to be no1 and become an even bigger alpha male.
Theory: Focalors is the missing 12th harbinger due to pretended to be a hydro archon to kill the original hydro archon via assassination, and so the 1st hydro archon was focalor's first victim and her next victim are the traveler and the rest of the people in fontaine and other people who were not/outside of fontaine who were came from the different nations/countries, if focalors existed, she will tell the truth infront of everyone in fontaine that she is the long-lost member of the fatui harbinger (due to planned to target/kill/assassinate the traveler for inflitrating fontaine)
Now that i see it, and yes it leads to the same thing but through a slight departure, the constellation (besides a hand of glory) could also be a hand gripping a vision tightly (might have been my blindness but ut looked like it to me), which is, too, one of the two things crepus wanted the most alongside being a knight before diluc's birth
His constellation IS on the wheel, either as the mask OR THE EYE IN THE MIDDLE
Nice theory to be honest. I do have a "feeling" that is it (for the most part) correct.
i also have that “feeling”
Nooo it has to be 11 because there's 7 archons so obviously the game is about 7-11
Do you think that there is a new balladeer? Afterall someone has to replace him like he was replaced in the Raiden Gokaden.
Now that scaramouche never was a fatui harbinger, there's a possibility of a new harbinger ranked 6th
9:56 isnt the symbol on the circle park that connects the bottom of his mask thing together there too?
It's actually confirmed by the fatui guys in monstadt that the 6th harbinger seat is vacant
Interesting theory. Well done video, again. Thank you for the great content!
If it means anything, the Dilucsion always reminded me of Oath of Judah and the Herrscher of Binding (before I realized judah and judas were different things I thought this more likely given judas was the betrayer) and those had a power that ran counter to every herrscher before them by surpressing their innate power (along with all other types of energy but-) so it lines up with the dilucsion being the one belonging to a traitor, and it also lines up with it being used against powerful supernatural entities. Tho dottore acting like hes never seen it before probably throws a wrench in the possibility of the fatui issuing it to crepus..
It’s also been that we’ve found out they’re fatui or their back story in that order. So even if we don’t fight them we might find out more. Fontaine is also wherea lot of gadgets and things are made so maybe it’s where dilucs family delusion was mad, prehaps it was a proto type or what the others are based off, as the fatui delusions don’t seem to be the same as the everyday day type that suck the life force from people.
Which led me to thinking what is it the fatui fighters use? They’re elemental use seems to come from the tech they use rather than themselves
But hand of god being made from a criminal and Fontaine is the land of judgement and justice so that would tie in
Honestly dottore happily being a monster is so babygirl of him
Does anyone else think that Childe is like 70% more intimidating in those clothes? Like the clothes are doing all the heavy lifting here, I mean I love the vibe but like it’s just the clothes right? Or is this just a me thing?
i agree, but i think it is also his facial expression
@@coca_0146 yeaaaaaah that too. It’s also probably because he’s normally smiling so I’m like who are you and what have you done with childe? Adding to the scare/intimidation factor
@@coca_0146 agreed, he also isnt smiling in his teaser and that also gave off a different vibe already
Yeah it's his clothes and, like someone else said, his expression. Hot of him tbh
Definitely Skin-worthy outfit
Well, I can see Crepus being the missing Harbinger, it might explain the constant closeness between Mondstadt and Snezhnaya both in the comic and in the game plot
For a sec i thought crepus was some random npc
I don't think so considering how much Diluc hates the Fatui, and with how good he is at intelligence gathering and spying you'd think he knew his father was a harbinger
@@Cappy_Cat well, he might hate them precisely because he learned that his father belonged to them AFTER they just killed him for whatever reason. After all, Diluc didn't know his own father that well, and he remembers him as someone kinda far from him (remember the Of Drink a Dreaming event)
Edit: also, Diluc receives his Vision after using his father's delusion and getting rid of it, as it can be seen as a way to cut ties with that part of his family's past and to declare the definite war on the Fatui
@@erikboncoref.7020 Well the Fatui didn't kill, Crepus, he essentially killed himself by using a delusion fighting Ursa, also that's the big thing, he died using the delusion once, the other harbingers have used their delusions countless times over and over again never dying as a result, yet this supposed 10th harbinger who is stronger than Childe (a character able to use his delusion for extended periods of time) dies just like that. It doesn't make sense to me if he would have been the 10th
@@Cappy_Cat well, Childw didn't face the residue of an ancient god as Ursa the Drake, and the Fatui were the actual responsibles of waking it up. If not, then I don't think Diluc might have such a huge resentment towards the Fatui
Everytime I hear the number 12, as a czech person, especially if its a group of 12 people I can't help but think of the czech fairytale about the 12 months/moons from Božena Němcovás fairytale collection
how is the story of this fairytale?
Oh, it's actually decently popular in Russia too. A soviet writer was inspired by this fairytale and wrote a play... There are a lot of differences between the play and the original fairytale though. I wonder whether the fatui are actually a reference to either of these now too, never thought about it before
@@_dragonflies_ true true, and there is an idea of the 13th month in the Russian story as far as i remember, aaaaand i just remembered the Chinese zodiac, comprised of 12 animals AND the cat being the 13th one who lost the race because of the mouse's (1st zodiac on the race) deception!!!
I love the idea of Crepus being a Harbinger. The angst? The plot twist? The tie back to the manga? I would adore it. It's pretty crack but it's a fun crack. These bizzare theories are the most fun to watch honestly.
Ties to the manga aren’t all rare considering collie’s trauma
Would explain how diluc could infiltrate with his bright red hair.
Fatuis: oh red haired guy in a fatui uniform? Must be crepus lol. No one else got a bright red hair here
An interesting thing that people have noted is the presence of the Fatui Leitmotif in Fischl's themes, leading people to believe that Fischl (or her family) have connections with the Fatui (Perhaps via the Adventurer's Guild) OR that the Princess Fischl that Amy based her persona off of maybe related to the Fatui or even the Tsaritsa herself (Especially when fairy tales and allegories are currently more reliable sources of information than "factual" records because of the Irminsul Tree.)
My personal brainrot is that Columbina is Fishl, as in the person both Flowers for Princess Fishl, The Legendary Halberd and (maybe) Mina of a fallen Nation are based on.
i'd go with princess fischl than fischl/amy when it comes to having connections with the fatui. that book was just so sus. and with the irminsul in the picture, i wouldn't be surprised if the fatui leitmotif was foreshadowing princess fischl's connections to the fatui or the tsarista
what is it with monstadt characters and each one of them being involved with something and someone in teyvat
I read somewhere that the book "Flowers for Princess Fischl" could be based on Rosalyne or Signora. I think Fischl's demo had similarities in her ost that can be heard in Signora's boss theme. But I could be wrong.
The biggest brainrot theory I ever have had in Genshin comes about because of this (TLDR at the end for those who see this and don't want to read everything)
Flowers Vol. 1 describes two characters Zarathustra and The Musician, both are to give the praises of the Princess Fischl, one who claims her agony and pain, while the other voices her brave travels, it is also clarified she does not favor the latter because she would be ashamed of it.
Hope you're ready for a ride.
Zarathustra, is actually not a German name, it is another name for Zoroaster who was an Iranian prophet that essentially founded a religion.
We have someone who has spoken about the Tsaritsa who basically founded his own religion Zhongli.
Does anyone recall the Dialogue with Zhongli during Rex Lapis' "funeral" he brings up the Cryo Archon and has a very lamenting tone, much like how Zarathustra proclaims Princess Fischl's agony.
Meanwhile, Venti is a bard, a type of musician, who mentioned the Tsaritsa and him being friends and he evenly spoke very highly of her, but he also says for whatever reason after The Event happened 500 years ago, she cut off all contact with Venti, maybe hinting she feels kind of guilty for betraying Celestia because she feels her friend would not agree, or maybe (and more likely) the brave adventure even refers to the Cataclysm and maybe even the Archon War before that? This makes sense because if she truly turned her back on the way the world is now, she would be understandably ashamed of the pain and death she made others suffer (especially Khaerianh), this is compacted even more because from what we know of the Tsaritsa she seemed to have been a genuinely kind and caring person (especially with her concept being Love?) And she might have been the youngest and most naive of the Archons at the time, if we ignore if she participated in the Archon War violently for a moment, it makes sense she never had to deal with a major problem like say Rhukkadehvata did with Deshret and his pursuit of Forbidden Knowledge or the constant threat of erosion and evil plaguing Liyue, or even the constant rebellion from the people of Sangonomiya like Raiden, it is entirely possible the Tsaritsa was just what is essentially a young naive Princess who spent most of her days playing and seeing her people prosper until she coldened and hardened upon returning from the Cataclysm.
The first volume mentions a lot of opera this and opera that, well the Harbingers are literally inspired from the Stock characters from Commedia Dell' Arte an opera! The book also makes references to fighting monster after monster that were all powerful and formidable, sounds a lot like Rhinedottir's creations when they went rogue.
TLDR; Flowers for Princess Fischl is a book telling the story of the Princess of Snehznaya, before she became the Tsaritsa, Zarathustra and The Musician who go around and talk about Fischl are Zhongli and Venti respectively and I wasted a LOT of sleep a few months ago when I was researching for this brainrot theory
I think its practically confirmed that there is a missing harbinger, since Arlecchino is now confirmed to be the 4th. Pierro has to be the Director and not the 1st because Capitano has be ranked higher. Capitano can't be the 10th because Childe said the Captain was ranked too high for him to notice Childe.
i think i remember Childe’s voice lines about Arleccino being along the lines of her being a traitor, or willing to betray the Fatui for her own ends. That would make the Traitor/ Hand of Glory constellation being Arleccino make more sense. 20:25
Yes but the crying mask also represents being double-faced.
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 Though the mask can also just be Pierro given his codename as the Jester.
Edit. The crying mask in theater also represents tragedy which could relate to his origins.
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 the mask would work with crepus as well! Imo the Knave & crepus are both interchangeable with these constellations
Well none of this aged that well. Though I do wonder if they changed Arlecchino's characterization after fans responded so positively to her character design.
I want this theory to be true just because I want Capitano to be ranked number 1
leaks say he is👀
@@neroquin those ''leaks'' are wrong.
@@catmixo Your source being?
@@baeleth6469 dont mind me i just wanna see their responce 😙🎶
@@catmixo "wrong" why?Because you believe it?The leak is from two reliable insiders. There is no contradiction to this leak.
I like counting Harbingers from 0 to 11. 0 being Pierro and 11 being Tartaglia of course because that way all major tarot arcanas fit each harbinger
where can i find more details about this?
@@xiarabell I honestly looked it up around different sites, from what I found there are multiple ways to understand Major Arcana and sometimes even the order is different like Justice and Strength like swapping places with each other. Anyway have fun reading about them, there are some curious tidbits like The High Priestess can be called The Popess.
Oh holy crap I never thought of that but I like that! I may look through it myself. Probably going to update this whenever I decide which one is which.
Edit: So, the Major Arcana is comprised of 22 cards, which would either give us 2 per Harbinger and leave out Pierro, or we have 10 cards that do not match a single Harbinger (9 if you give the Tsaritsa a card). I’m going to go the latter route, simply because it feels more fair.
Pierro is definitely The Fool card. Normally, it is associated with folly, mania, and betrayal, which I feel fits. Reversed doesn’t offer as many traits I feel could be argued, barring two: nullity and apathy.
we don't know much about Pierro, so I'm not sure if the fool would fit him, but if the theories about he being from khaenri'eh are right, it would kinda fit
captano being the magician can make sense
dottore being the high priestess is REALLY odd to me, but I guess it's because you might think since he want to make a god and the high priestess is a priestess it makes sense, but the card of the hierophant is more related to god than the high priestess
columbina as the empress makes some sense
arlecchino as the emperor also makes sense (specially with lyney and lynette calling her as father)
pulcinella being the hierophant makes sense to me, he is the prefect of snezhnaya as far as I know, he is there to protect the others and guide the way
scaramouche being the lovers make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE, don't even try to argue, if someone should be the lovers, it had to be at least la signora or someone with more duality
sandrone I don't know much, but she being the chariot isn't impossible
la signora as the justice... it doesn't fit well... she is a bit blind by her emotions, she being the justice is not a good fit
pantalone being the hermit is kinda interesting, specially because he is not favored by the gods (visionless) so he is in a way alone, just like a hermit, also hermit knows a deep truth, hidden... and well, so does pantalone, after all he has the world in his hand without any actual power, only by the power of money
if the missing fatui is really diluc's father, I can understand he being the wheel of fortune, after all it's about destiny and circles repeating, like a fatui killing people and then him himself being killed by them and his son now hating fatuis just like one day he started to, since he left
childe being strength for who doesn't know about arcanas makes completely sense, but no... strength talks about the true power in the reasoning and thinking that is strong enough to tame a beast, a lion... childe is a muscle brain, he is not a good fit for the strength card
I'm kinda sad that if that was somehow true, none of them would be some of the most interesting arcanas like hangedman, tower, star, moon, judgement, world and my favorite, death, death arcana is literally the most interesting arcana, it doesn't talk about the end, but about a new start, the death arcana is the symbol of rebirth, the symbol of ending something is actually the world
@@TnsfFun most of these issues in sites might be wrong translations and the only arcana that actually change places is the fool, who can be either the 0 (first) or the 22 (last), but really, popess is just a shitty translation and if someone has to be a pope, it has to be the hierophant
I always wondered where Crepus’ delusion came from… this actually makes so much sense and the facial hair + clothes too is insanely something Hoyo would do..to not be boring really. I feel like one day we will know of this in a Autumn patch / around Dorman port or Snezhnahya
+ edit: fun fact, I am Italian and Brighella in Italian literally means something like, “marachella”, an old way to say “little chaos” or something children would do
"Happily identifies as a monster"
I'm not that far into quests and idk if it's a quote, but it feels like complete truth😭
HAHAHAAHA THAT PART MADE ME SNORT
Another thing if we count Tsarista into it we get 12 which is the exact number on a clock. Pretty eerie if you think on it.
And this round with arrows in center really look like a clock
@@_3ero_241 Its really spooky. I have photoshop so i took the Harbinger clock and aligned the hands to different points based on what happened so far and got different times on the clock with Tsarista being Noon/Midnight. It was very very eerie.
Even if Crepus wasn't the secret Harbinger this does make me think he had SOME connection to or dirt on thr Fatui, because everything you point out really does make his death look like a hit.
Also, Tartaglia is opposite the Fatui symbol. I think, going by his story quest, he's got a huge internal conflict going on between his duty to the Fatui and his fondness for his family. I'm convinced this is going to come up as him being forced to make a choice between the two. So the opposition theory does still check out, but for him it's an internal conflict instead of external like it is with Scaramouche and Dottore.
it would be hysterical if Capitano ends up being Alphonse Elric
at this point i wouldn't put it past them at all (and then we get the whole talk about equivalent exchange and how his soul is bound to a pile of metal)
I definitely wouldn’t complain.
Another crack theory i have that isn't very likely to be true because it'd be ehhh, is that the missing harbinger is that guy you get in a Liyue commission that says he's just an ordinary person fishing to pass the time, but he can also get rid of monsters with ease without lifting a finger, he also says that he has done bad things in the past which is why he no longer uses his real name
Fishing Jiangxue!
Lol I remember him! He's so strange and I wonder who he's really
He’ll probably play some role in the future but him being a fatui harbinger is unlikely because of his design. The harbingers are all designed very lavishly and in my opinion all look like they’re going to be playable in the future and he’s just too npc looking to actually be a character of that importance
@@pclsn But what if it was a disguise? If you did all the archon quest, we can remember that (insert the read more), so we still can't slash out that possibility.
For spoilers, "Dottore used a disguise too"
@@thexingqiushrimp978 right I didn't even think about that