Been listening to Tony talk shit about LIV for a couple of years now....LIV has got stronger PGA weaker.....wake up man LIV isn't going away.....what do you think these exemptions are about I'm not for one or the other... you've just got to get used to the new look of golf
Tony's and Chris' comments about LIV fading away into nothing in the future (due to talent pool going dry) is definitely a possibility. But i think their disdain of LIV and love of the "old standard" of the PGAT is closing his mind off from the other possibility - that the LIV purses get so large, that golfers start gravitating towards their brand and away from the PGA tour. It's happened before, it can happen again (remember, once upon a time the British Amateur and the US Amateur were once considered "majors"). Things change, and whoever has the most money is going to attract the best talent. Throw in the fact that it's a limited schedule and guaranteed money because there's no cut, if LIV survives a few more years, it could dominate. The true death knell of the PGAT monopoly is going to be when LIV gets a major broadcaster on board. Not saying it'll happen, but not including any "what ifs" that are pro-LIV just reveals the discussion bias.
Call it "bias" or having an opinion...but yes, I'm firmly in the anti-LIV camp for a number of reasons....I'm open to the idea that LIV can buy golfers away from the PGA Tour, but that's been the approach thus far and they've managed to get quite a few important players to switch....now, the issue is whether up and coming players decide to go that route...if we think of it something like the NFL draft, how many 1st rounders will choose LIV over the PGA Tour next year? Right now, I don't see it - Unless LIV can get the best players of the next/future generation, then what's the point?
I’m not sure you guys are thinking about this majors , with PGA and LIV on a global scale… Norman was friends with Packer who started a different cricket game , which at the start everyone threw rocks at… one day cricket is now huge - it has a World Cup and is apart of the sport and birthed 20/20 cricket… Norman isn’t thinking small he’s thinking create a new set of world majors (is my guess) not the 3 US majors and The Open
All they have is Scottie and Rory? Why are we forgetting about: Wyndham Clark, Xander, Ludvig, Matsuyama, Cantlay, Morikawa, Zalatoris, Lowry, Max Homa, Justin Thomas, Jason Day, etc.
@@Duece-xl2mc How come liv doesn't have any ratings? Nobody watches it and no companies will even advertise on the bonesaw league that is relegated to the CW and youtube as no one is watching that exhibition league.
I think Scottie is amazing and absolutely on fire right now, but if you had another 15 of the top 50 golfers in the world playing against him(LIV), I have to believe those guys might take a win or two away from him.
I think Tony is absolutely correct when he said that LIV will only stay relevant if they can continue to poach good players from the PGA. When it comes to the Majors, we, humans, will easily forget yesterday’s stars if they are not playing or not relevant in the tournament. The exception is Tiger, because he was such a dominant player and won so many times that when he plays, we still want to see him. Cheers.
@@roadtoscratchgolf3481 tiger had a whole story, personality, at a time when we didnt have all kinds of crazy things to do. Almost impossible to replicate now. scotty cant even come close, you aren't going to find a kind holding a golf club on national tv when they are 5 and develop into the best player in the world with a psychotic father. golf peaked, cheers.
I think L.A.B. is great. But it took some getting used to. There is an adjustment period. So it definitely isn't helped by being tested for one day by someone who has never used it.
There’s a whole lotta marketing going on imho. I’m curious what the deal really is for all the influencers on the L.A.B. train. I tried one finally. One thing that people skip past is that toe down clubs are much easier to sense where the face position is. Perfectly balanced clubs just kinda float in space.
@@-Thunder I bought a lab, definitely not an influencer, more of a wannabe. With that being said, it’s helped me a not. Took my putting from 2.25 per round to 1.83. For me it allows me less to think about, just speed and break
@@GolfSpyC I like watching both tours but I gravitate more towards LIV bc my favorite and least favorite players went there. I disagree that the pga tour has replaced the LIV guys and don’t think it’s possible
@@LegolasFan69 I totally get wanting to watch your favorite players...but at some point people are going to forget about Cam Smith and move on unless there is a way for LIV players to gain routine access to the majors.
@@GolfSpyC I like it because I can sit down for 5 hours and can watch everyone go around. There's always shots to watch at all times, there is no down time. Imagine if baseball was 21 innings instead of 9. Watching PGA to LIV feels like that. (I'd use a cricket analogy comparing one dayers to 2020 but I assume everyone can relate to baseball a bit better haha)
I like the eating (by guests) and drinking during the podcast. Can anything say I don't care about this any more than that? I'm a huge fan My Golf Spy but come on. The Pod took a huge hit when they lost Harry and Miranda.
Two slow talking men crapping on a competitive tour. You’re sounding like Rory. LIV events are the future of golf. A party hole, golfers who interact with fans, and music. The future of golf are the next generations. Not your generation. PGA viewership is dying. As viewership decreases, so does sponsorship. Two huge sponsors are not renewing. UA-cam now owns the viewership, LIV will own the worldwide stage.
Guys every time I go to a fitting I'm told stay away from the low spin heads and I never get to hit them as I'm put off by the fitter 🫣🫣 I spin it way too much going to have to start asking to hit these, just wish it was before I just bought ai smoke max 🫣🤣🤣
"LS" drivers always show up on these lists year after year. Amateurs tend hit down with their drivers which imparts a ton of spin so a lower spin driver will counteract the excess spin. Frankly it's a bit of a bandaid to mask poor swing technique, but a solution to someone not willing to work on their swing mechanics.
Been listening to Tony talk shit about LIV for a couple of years now....LIV has got stronger PGA weaker.....wake up man LIV isn't going away.....what do you think these exemptions are about
I'm not for one or the other... you've just got to get used to the new look of golf
Tony's and Chris' comments about LIV fading away into nothing in the future (due to talent pool going dry) is definitely a possibility. But i think their disdain of LIV and love of the "old standard" of the PGAT is closing his mind off from the other possibility - that the LIV purses get so large, that golfers start gravitating towards their brand and away from the PGA tour. It's happened before, it can happen again (remember, once upon a time the British Amateur and the US Amateur were once considered "majors"). Things change, and whoever has the most money is going to attract the best talent. Throw in the fact that it's a limited schedule and guaranteed money because there's no cut, if LIV survives a few more years, it could dominate. The true death knell of the PGAT monopoly is going to be when LIV gets a major broadcaster on board. Not saying it'll happen, but not including any "what ifs" that are pro-LIV just reveals the discussion bias.
Call it "bias" or having an opinion...but yes, I'm firmly in the anti-LIV camp for a number of reasons....I'm open to the idea that LIV can buy golfers away from the PGA Tour, but that's been the approach thus far and they've managed to get quite a few important players to switch....now, the issue is whether up and coming players decide to go that route...if we think of it something like the NFL draft, how many 1st rounders will choose LIV over the PGA Tour next year? Right now, I don't see it - Unless LIV can get the best players of the next/future generation, then what's the point?
Looking at the center shaft putter by odyssey 12
I'm mid spin. Ping 10K with Left Dash is unreal.
I’m not sure you guys are thinking about this majors , with PGA and LIV on a global scale…
Norman was friends with Packer who started a different cricket game , which at the start everyone threw rocks at… one day cricket is now huge - it has a World Cup and is apart of the sport and birthed 20/20 cricket…
Norman isn’t thinking small he’s thinking create a new set of world majors (is my guess) not the 3 US majors and The Open
The big question is can the pga tour stay relevant, it’s not looking good all they have is Scottie and Rory.
All they have is Scottie and Rory? Why are we forgetting about: Wyndham Clark, Xander, Ludvig, Matsuyama, Cantlay, Morikawa, Zalatoris, Lowry, Max Homa, Justin Thomas, Jason Day, etc.
@@GolfSpyC how come their tv ratings are way down?
@@Duece-xl2mc How come liv doesn't have any ratings? Nobody watches it and no companies will even advertise on the bonesaw league that is relegated to the CW and youtube as no one is watching that exhibition league.
What has Rory done? Been like 10 years right
I bought my Wilson Staff putter a couple years ago largely bc of your testing and I still love it. ❤
Great to hear!
I think Scottie is amazing and absolutely on fire right now, but if you had another 15 of the top 50 golfers in the world playing against him(LIV), I have to believe those guys might take a win or two away from him.
Practice with a Bullseye...play with your modern putter. It works.
these guys talk so slow, you are better off listening in 1.5x or 2x speed and it will sound almost normal.
I'll crank it up for you on the next one...maybe go for that "Mini micro machines" type of vibe!
I like it slow
Thanks for your opinion though
I think Tony is absolutely correct when he said that LIV will only stay relevant if they can continue to poach good players from the PGA. When it comes to the Majors, we, humans, will easily forget yesterday’s stars if they are not playing or not relevant in the tournament. The exception is Tiger, because he was such a dominant player and won so many times that when he plays, we still want to see him. Cheers.
@@roadtoscratchgolf3481 tiger had a whole story, personality, at a time when we didnt have all kinds of crazy things to do. Almost impossible to replicate now. scotty cant even come close, you aren't going to find a kind holding a golf club on national tv when they are 5 and develop into the best player in the world with a psychotic father. golf peaked, cheers.
@@ForzaOwnz No, thank you.
Hey Chris, how did Koepka do at the Masters?
What do you think of the Odyssey, 12?
Matt Fitzpatrick's putter was a Yes putter for YEARS. If Bettinardi converted him then thats how they did it.
They bought the yes patent and recreated that same exact putter with their own branding
Haven’t seen koepka since he went to LIV.
Hi guys, any collab planned with Rick Shiels in the near future? LOL LOL LOL
I’m surprised that a LAB putter isn’t number #1.
I thought LAB golf would be top spot since everyone raves over them. Interesting
I think L.A.B. is great. But it took some getting used to. There is an adjustment period. So it definitely isn't helped by being tested for one day by someone who has never used it.
@@TheKingofDarkness69 yeah true
There’s a whole lotta marketing going on imho. I’m curious what the deal really is for all the influencers on the L.A.B. train. I tried one finally. One thing that people skip past is that toe down clubs are much easier to sense where the face position is. Perfectly balanced clubs just kinda float in space.
@@-Thunder I bought a lab, definitely not an influencer, more of a wannabe. With that being said, it’s helped me a not. Took my putting from 2.25 per round to 1.83. For me it allows me less to think about, just speed and break
team Tony for me on this one
LIV is the more compelling tour to watch… not arguable this week or most weeks they play
That's not at all the case for me...but I'd honestly like to know what it is that you like about watching LIV as opposed to the PGA Tour...
@@GolfSpyC I like watching both tours but I gravitate more towards LIV bc my favorite and least favorite players went there. I disagree that the pga tour has replaced the LIV guys and don’t think it’s possible
@@LegolasFan69 I totally get wanting to watch your favorite players...but at some point people are going to forget about Cam Smith and move on unless there is a way for LIV players to gain routine access to the majors.
@@GolfSpyC I like it because I can sit down for 5 hours and can watch everyone go around.
There's always shots to watch at all times, there is no down time.
Imagine if baseball was 21 innings instead of 9. Watching PGA to LIV feels like that. (I'd use a cricket analogy comparing one dayers to 2020 but I assume everyone can relate to baseball a bit better haha)
@@GolfSpyC Cam Smith is in all the majors so I don’t understand that as an example
I like the eating (by guests) and drinking during the podcast. Can anything say I don't care about this any more than that? I'm a huge fan My Golf Spy but come on. The Pod took a huge hit when they lost Harry and Miranda.
We're all about supporting sustenance!
Maxlfi
I prefer WiFi
BYOB = bring your own bottle.
BYOB ---- Bring Your Own Bottle in the UK
Brooks played in the Masters. No where to be found.
400 for that Betti, just sayin...
With Tony it’s Scotty to lose. Outlier if baby is born
Two slow talking men crapping on a competitive tour. You’re sounding like Rory. LIV events are the future of golf. A party hole, golfers who interact with fans, and music. The future of golf are the next generations. Not your generation. PGA viewership is dying. As viewership decreases, so does sponsorship. Two huge sponsors are not renewing. UA-cam now owns the viewership, LIV will own the worldwide stage.
Boring….
When it comes to maybe's...you guys know how to talk shit like no others. lol.
Guys every time I go to a fitting I'm told stay away from the low spin heads and I never get to hit them as I'm put off by the fitter 🫣🫣 I spin it way too much going to have to start asking to hit these, just wish it was before I just bought ai smoke max 🫣🤣🤣
"LS" drivers always show up on these lists year after year. Amateurs tend hit down with their drivers which imparts a ton of spin so a lower spin driver will counteract the excess spin. Frankly it's a bit of a bandaid to mask poor swing technique, but a solution to someone not willing to work on their swing mechanics.