I was a 5 time Young Woman President and very devoted convert for decades. When I discovered that my leadership had knowingly lied to me about EVERYTHING I was completely devastated 💔
What did they lie to you about? What doesn’t make sense is that Joseph Smith would allow himself to be persecuted for decades just for a lie. That doesn’t make sense.
I’m guessing you’re living your best life now no matter how hard it is to deconstruct … keep going. Keep seeming and live the commandments for real not in religion !!!
Taramanma: I also left the church at around 35. I'm 82 now. Left my abusive Mormon husband too. I have survived alone for 40 plus years. I know I would not be alive and sane had I not left. I was happy at your young age of 51. "Thank the Lord, and pass the ammunition." An old saying in WWI. My old Mormon grampa, who was in that war, used to say that all the time. He came from polygamous families, as did all my ancestors back to the time of Joseph Smith.
@@marjoriegarner5369 wow! Actually sound like my grandma’s story almost to a T but she was a Lutheran … and is 91 now. She’s always been my rock, playful, prayerful I think because she had been through so much!!!
Excellent show. In 1967 my husband and I took a vacation from Michigan and ended up in Salt Lake on our way to Yellowstone. For some strange reason we went to the Mormon information center and watched the story of Joseph Smith and thought it was ridiculous and wondered how anyone could believe it. My husband, a secular Jew, was amazed he was considered a gentile.
That's what I thought when I was in high school and my friend was telling me about it! She was telling me a story from the Book of mormon, and I swear it was the story of Abraham and Sarah, just with different names. I don't know if it's discernment or what, but I knew that it wasn't right.
Your husband is a gentile. Kazarians are not Judeans. And that's my p.o.v. Frankly I think you're misrepresenting the Mormom position, which is that the Jews are Judaeans.
We were told in the church growing up that many would be deceived in the last days. I didn't think it would actually be the church that would be doing the deceiving.
Branches of the (Universal) Church are falling away, believing in false teachers, preachers, “prophets,” and heresies. While we are living during a time of the “Great Apostasy,” a REMANT of true believers is still present! You won’t find these “true believers” in many American churches today, but you can still find them in “Bible Teaching” churches! Calvary Chapel Churches is one such church whom teach in the “expository style” - by chapter and verse. Their late founder - Chuck Smith was an excellent Bible teacher/preacher of the Holy scriptures 📖 and ALL of his sermons can be found on UA-cam. He has sermons on ALL of the 📚 BOOKS of the Bible! Seek and ye shall find, ask and it will be given to you!!! - God’s Indomitable TRUTH!
Ex-Mo, here. It's hard to leave a cult, but you'll never know real contentment unless you do. It is liberating to be in control of yourself without that "still, small voice" making you question your every thought. It just keeps getting better. I was a Mormon. Did a mission and everything. None of the Mormons who filled my world are really a part of it now. I don't hate them, and I don't miss them. They think they don't hate me, and they don't miss me. Leaving a cult is really hard when you have no support from outside the cult. You can do it. There are lots of good people who aren't Mormons, and they have no reason to hate you.
I guess we can be glad the big GOD is so involved in people’s sex lives and the threats to use on any child who may refuse. Imagine the mayhem if GOD hadn’t direct Joe
You made a wise decision to leave the church. You have the qualification to encourage other Mormons to leave and even deconvert them slowly, so they will not the guilt and anxiety that comes from indoctrination and control a of cult.
No, I don't agree that he was a "con". But, he was human. As long as prophets are humans they'll be imperfect and will definitely make incorrect choices as any other human. Think of Jonah, Peter's denials and many other prophets and apostles. The burden is on us individually to choose to either believe what they each teach or not to believe. Remember that the ancient text says, "..by their fruits you will know them..". I see how things are going for the vast majority of the institutionalized prophets of Restoration Movement churches and it's looking best for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints right now. I for one, however, have been guided by the Holy Spirit to not be affiliated with that institution. My mission in this life is to be elsewhere. Blessings.
Joseph Smith was on the forefront of the 19th century US Spiritualism Movement. The population was primed for his fantasical claims & it's fascinating how he tapped into that.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 63 years old here. Withdrew mentally in my mid-late teens and physically by early 20’s mostly due to sexual shaming and patriarchal superiority. Never deconstructed or considered the truth of the church until recently. I had moved on but not healed. Thank you for being part of helping people understand themselves and moving through and past this. I went through years of guilt and depression before beginning to cope in my 40’s with energy medicine techniques and meditation. Thank you for all you do Shelise by bringing many types of stories into the open.
I was dragged up in a mormon family and never believed any of it. My earlieat memories are of knowing Im being lied to but having to go along with it as my parents were/are physically, mentally spirituly abusive, so I toed the line out of self preservation. Being 7 of 8 kids my parents didnt put up a fight and saw me as a lost cause anyway, when I was old enough to stay home every Sunday and I stated it wasnt for me and moved out of their house as a young teen. I am, no surprises, the shunned black sheep/ family scapegoat unless they want to appear as a loving co hesive family in public and then Im expected to appear but keep my mouth shut while they all shit on me and my life choices. Ive never ever second guessed my choice to not go along with lies to be accepted or fit in. But the programming as a vulnerable developing child is still deeply embedded in me as a 53 year old woman. I have spent 50 years just living in a reactive trauma bubble but the way am healing myself is to learn and discover why certain things occured and make some logical sense of it all and discover why I was treated so appallingly and why my seemilngly intelligent, seemingly successful parents could fall for such utter nonsense even though I as a young child could see it for what it was. Listening to this it sounds like narcissism is a big factor as they think they are the chosen few going to heaven. And both my parents are raging narcs! These podcasts are a great help to me to understand and make sense of it all which helps to undo destructive programming inflicted on me that I have to work at nearly every minute of every day to mot fall back into a black hole! So THANKYOU so so very much! 💗
I hope you have found peace with your past that's what I'm doing right now reading your posts give me hope I was born into an ifb family yeah they're a lot of lake and similar ways and maybe not but you give me encouragement to try thank you and congratulations staying cold free
I’m so sorry you went through that. If you haven’t already seen, Patrick Teahan has some really helpful videos on his UA-cam channel for people recovering from childhood religious trauma. You might find it beneficial. All the best to you on your healing journey.
When the religionist influence starts to cause fights and hatred at home, it is up to the parents to prevent religious trauma and not add fuel to it. No chid should have to go through religion trauma. The best solution I can say is to keep the religionist and cult influence out of the home. A truly educated home keeps religion, politics and crass commercialist culture, out.
@@julians9070none of these things were off limits in my home. No topic was off limits. I'm a never mormon and am grateful to been raised in a healthy (not perfect) home.
You understate the threat to Aunt Lucy Walker. If she marries him, she AND ALL HER FAMILY will be exalted. If she doesn't, the gates of heaven will be sealed up against her AND ALL OF HER FAMILY. FOREVER. Oh, and she has 24 hours to make up her mind. I am a direct descendant of her older brother William; had she said "Nope", would those gates be closed to me, too? Let's never let Aunt Lucy's story be forgotten!
THE THING THAT REALLY GOT ME THE FIRST TIME i WENT TO THE TEMPLE WAS THAT SATAN TOLD ADAM AND EVE TO PUT ON APRONS WHEN GOD CAME LOOKING FOR THEM, THEN THE NARRATOR HAD THE CONGRAGATION PUT ON THE GREEN APRON. IT WAS LIKE TAKING ORDERS FROM SATAN, NOT GOD. NO ONE COULD EXPLAIN IT ENOUGH TO SATISFY ME WHEN I WOULD ASK.
@@tinytikesms.m6509 Yes Joseph Smith was a Mason and many of the rituals and beliefs are integrated into Mormonism. I think one of the early Mormon prophets says he doesn't fault mother eve for eating the apple because by it we all can become gods. This is masonic thought....working our way to godhood and worshiping lucifer. This is not anything that Jesus ever thought. Neither is Satan and Jesus brothers.
Hi, back when I was attending Cerritos College,I meant a girl who was Hindu. She told me one time some Mormon missionary came to her door. She said these Missionaries asked her if she knew who Joseph Smith was? She responded with "Is Joseph Smith one of your Christian gods? The two people walked away.
@@annwood6812maybe because the polygamy was known to an extent, but marrying already married women whose husbands were off on missions really shocks people because it shows how little regard he had for marriage
Im going to put this very plain and simple. This girl is a liar. But better yet, yall are here for a reason. I can prove the book of Mormon was written by ancient jews. And you can too. If you aren't familiar with Jewish writings, lookup robert kay on UA-cam. Read the book of Mormon side by side with the Bible as it was intended. It is soo basic and obvious, you wont need people lying to you like these girls.
I love that phrase, “oceans of trauma.” There is a BIG difference between “ human frailty” and strong patterns of abuse. If we are to believe in agency, then we MUST accept accountability. I am also in my thirties, and I’m just glad you guys provided a sounding board for me to question my religion. I love the idea of families being together forever( I say ‘idea’ because I’ve read doctrine and covenants 132), but I cannot condone the harm that has been done based on this one chapter of doctrine. How can we preach free will and forgiveness, when it DOES NOT reflect in the actions of the early leaders? (Or arguably current) 😢. I just wish I had noticed earlier.
It's not surprising people fell for this when nobody had ways of fact checking anything. And I know generations have just been born into it. But it's strange to me that anybody joins it now.
I'm not surprised at all. The parallelism to Trumpism is uncanny. Half of what she was saying about Joseph Smith and his followers could be applied to what's happening now on the right.
A friend became a Mormon a few years ago because she was poor, isolated, and struggling, and the church's charity+community helped her out. She's not an active member anymore due to health issues, but she'd never been a super religious person for as long as I'd known her
I wish I could support the good work you are doing here on this channel. But because of my own experience being tr**ficked and worse from the time I was in diapers by this cult...its FAR too triggering and I have to focus on my own healing. But to anyone watching, I want to add my own voice to validate the truthfulness of what this channel is doing. Please help share and raise awareness so that together we can finally stop this criminal enterprise and hold all of these horrible people accountable.
Curiosity killed the cat, yes look into it but don't get sucked in!! Put ur shields up! I believe it's like driving by an accident you have to look, human fascination but drive by.
Because maybe you like me was in a high demand religion, full of gaslighting and wanted truth??? And I have Mormons surrounding my house all summer long and the JW’s…
Not defending Joe. Not saying this is any better. However, in the pursuit of truth lets be accurate in the things we report. Fanny Alger was 16. If you encounter a Mormon, they might say something like..."14 years old was common for the day." It was not. The common age, even in rural America, was 22. There are 14-year-old girls he married but fanny was one of the 16-year old's he married.
@@troycarter349 @maggierayner9408 It's important to note that this account was a thirdhand recollection and McLellin had been excommunicated and held a grudge against Joseph Smith.
So true, I watch a channel called leaving scientology.. when they tell their stories, and truth... I get OMG mormon church vibes.. its like all cults have a playbook.
This was one of my favorite Mormon history videos of all time! You guys have great chemistry and I love when the history can be translated into modern language. Thank you!
I broke from christianity to atheism many years ago and did so by what i call Einstein Method of Religious Deprogramming . That is space time. It took space away from the church, complete separation over a period of time. After that time passed, i looked over my shoulder and thought what in the hell was i thinking? But when you are in the middle of it, you just dont see it.
My friend! It’s incredible to see you here. (I recognize you from Brandi & RA’s streams!) I love both of these lovely ladies, and you have great taste in creators! Also neat to learn more about you!
Mormonism aint Christianity Mate. Get that in your head... They mock Jesus Christ by having Priests and belittling the sacrifoce of Jesus on tje cross.
I learned so much listening to this. I was raised in a mainstream Christian denomination. I didn't understand why Mormon was listed as a cult. Donnie and Marie Osmond seemed like lovely people. I remember my Dad telling us, what the Mormons do to each other in their temple is beyond belief. It wasn't until I started reading books written by survivors of polygamy that I began to get an understanding of the betrayal of good people. Thank you for helping us to understand.
Every time I watch one of your videos I have a better understanding of what my mother went through and why she did what she did. My father raised me because my mother drank and would abandon her children at neighbors, for months. I did have a few stories and was able to find most of her information. I found that on the 1930 census she had moved from Utah to LA at the age of 12. I can only imagine what she witnessed or experienced. My great-great-grandfather was Alexander Jameson and from what I've researched had several wives. He may have come to Utah with Smith. Your videos have made it easier to forgive my Mother. Thank you ❤❤❤
Don't forget, you can support exmos by requesting their books (look up every book they published) to be stocked at your local library. It costs nothing, you can check out the books cost free, help others seeking answers AND provides financial support to the authors!! 😊 please share this information ❤
@@marjoriegarner5369 there are a few but most recently, Alyssa Grenfell published How To Leave The Mormon Church with the forward written by John Dehlin. There's a few others but this is the one I like to support! I hope Carah writes a book!! We can't have too much literature on the subject
Awesome show, ladies! I was disfellowshipped from the church when I was 23, partially for questioning these exact perversions. I was upset when i found out the older dude marriages with young women weren't for economic reasons, etc etc. as we were told. I questioned all this back in seminary, and they just told me to 'trust god.' Yeah ok. We are the warned about 'feminists' they touted would come. Well duh, we are protectors of women and children. It's all so imbalanced. Many cults start with pervy dudes wanting all the hot women for himself. Gross af
I was never disfellowshipped but only because I left, stopped attending, married a nonmember and moved out of town. My shelf just completely collapsed unexpectedly in seminary one day. The year we did D&C and the Book of Abraham. The teacher tearfully explained that yes, JS had sexual relationships with all these women and young girls - but God made him do it. He didn’t want to. The lost 116 pages had already cracked my shelf really well, and then we read the threats to Emma. And boom. No more shelf.
I have wide tolerance for human foibles, faults, and frailties. What I don't like is deception, deceit, and covering up truths after the fact to keep a wealthy org going. Just be honest and transparent from the get-go, or it isn't built on a true foundation. Then let people decide if it is something they want to support. Another example, they changed aspects of the original angel aparitions when Joseph was young. why? It's sketch to change the narrative to fit a better mold just to gather more people. And pedophilia. I don't care for that, either. The apologists on this in the patriarchal re legions get nauseating.
I left about 10 years ago after spending the first 30 years of my life in the Church. From the outside looking in i can see now how bizarre the whole thing is, yet i defended it tooth and nail when i was in. The programming is strong.
I did a deep dive on Mormonism and its history around 10 years ago and must have read 8 or more books written by ex-Mormons both in the 19th and 20th centuries. What I read is that Joseph Smith often married women that were ALREADY MARRIED. These women and their spouses were given mafia-like choice in the matter (as in if you don't go along with this, then such and such is going to happen to you). Many went along with it -- but NOT all (which is why those books are even in existence). Many believed that he was killed by men who were outraged at how he had basically raped their wives. Also, Smith was a member of a freemason secret society where if they were ever in great need they were to yell out, "Is there no help for the widow's son?!" (something like that), and Joseph Smith did that and, nope, nobody helped him! I only bothered too search out this false religion because one of my sisters (much younger than me and with a different mother) grew up mostly in Utah and ended up marrying into a Mormon family. I can't say what I told her was any help, but to keep it really short I told her that the Angel Moroni is/was a FALLEN angel. I actually DO believe that is the case and I believe Smith was getting guidance from a fallen angel (and whatever other spirits) regarding the Book of Mormon, etc. Smith didn't write it -- he was probably what today is called "channeling" it. This is why it sounds like something he could never have written. Smith was not enough of a Christian to avoid conning people and doing divination or other sins expressly forbidden in the Bible, so it is NO BIG SURPRISE that he did not test the spirits, as we are told to do in the King James Bible, which also warns of those who teach "another Jesus" which is NOT the Jesus of Matthew through Revelation (and who shows up, once you know how to spot Him in the Old Testament as well). This whole Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell thing is something I didn't really learn about until about a month ago -- but I can't say I am surprised that a "church" with such a rotten foundation cannot produce good fruit, as Jesus told us. I see the "Church of the Firstborn" as one of its fruits. And from what I can glean there were a LOT more followers of Daybell's cult than has been reported. A lady named Bernadine who was a neighbor in Daybell's neighborhood said she learned from someone who I believe is a relative of hers in a nearby town from Rexburg and who is a law enforcement officer told her that somewhere in the neighborhood of a thousand (whether people or homes I do not know) scattered and disappeared from that town RIGHT AFTER THE BODIES WERE FOUND ON DAYBELL'S PROPERTY. They went into hiding (hopefully more from shame than from escaping embarrassing controversy). The Daybell children are important. There are many who have been programmed in other "churches" as well, perhaps most especially those who have a big "shunning" rule where if a person questions the religion they are kicked out and even their own immediate family members are not to speak to them again -- and for the most of them, that includes everyone they have ever known! (Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologists being other examples, though I am certain there are many more.)
When I was preparing to go to the temple, I was told by a high level member that if I were to be out on the street performing what I would see in the temple, I would probably be arrested for being insane!!!
BRigham and Emma hated each other. She felt like he had way too much control, and he hated she was a strong minded woman. Emma felt that the church should go to her son, with someone basically being a regent until Joseph Smith Jr. III was of age to take over.
Hi Shelise! Loved your guest today! So, I live in Cleveland and it's SUPER common for missionaries to come here (and actually go through really crime ridden neighborhoods) to preach and get you to join. I have a huge heart, so I often let these kids in for a chat and a snack and I just can't help but notice how they can't answer super basic questions. It's all the same answer about getting to church and talking to God for the answer.
Why is it that pretty much every single religion get members by preying on the weak and vulnerable? Didn’t mean that as a pun but I guess churches can’t just get members by simply advertising it and actually help people like doing soup kitchens for example let your good deeds speak for itself
these ladies have helped me understand why my cousins are still Mormon. have my cousins considered themselves Mormon and still use the word to describe their religion.
I was raised in what is now called Communities of Christ (was The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints). We were raised being taught that Joseph Smith was not a polygamist and the Elders were so adamant about it, and would get so angry no matter the evidence produced for them. I left the church 23 yrs ago when i realized we literally had a different Bible then main stream Christianity and following a huge project compairing the LDS and RLDS views and history of Joseph Smith. Some crazy stuff out there, too much for more to keep embracing those beliefs
How do Mormons justify marriage for time and all eternity when the Bible says, in the resurrection we will neither marry or be given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven. I’ve always wondered about that.
Very conveniently “the Bible has been corrupted”. There is no respect for the very word of the Lord Jesus, whose name they blaspheme using it in the new name of their church (rather than “Mormon”)
My maternal side of the family was SLC LDS & we were led to believe the book of mormon supercedes the bible as the additional word of god for the elect.
When i was a child, and being dragged along to unwanted church services i would have nightmares of black smoke billowing out the doors of our new LDS chapel. I would scream and scream within the slow motion dreamscape, begging friends and neighbors to see the danger and not go in.
My family is deep rooted in Mormonism, all the way back to the Organ Trial. I broke away when I was 20. Grew up in the religion through the 80s and 90s. I and was supposed to go on my mission. I couldn’t get over the amount of racism plaguing the religion, not to mention how I was treated by family and friends. Being free from the religion is life changing.
Fun fact: Joseph Smith was arrested in Norwich, NY for treasure hunting, which was Norwich speak for being a con man. I grew up 45 minutes from Norwich.
He was arrested for a lot more than that. He was also tar and feathered multiple times, beat, shot, assassinated, driven from town to town, and... Every single prophecy he had made has come to pass. Im going to put this very plain and simple. This girl is a liar. But better yet, yall are here for a reason. I can prove the book of Mormon was written by ancient jews. And you can too. If you aren't familiar with Jewish writings, lookup robert kay on UA-cam. Read the book of Mormon side by side with the Bible as it was intended. It is soo basic and obvious, you wont need people lying to you like these girls.
I just spoke to my ex husband about the video you guys put out a couple days ago. He grew up in the RLDS church and his father was an elder of their church. His mother was born in independence MO with her family line in the sect. He knew it was bogus as a kid inside himself. We have been through a lot that his father did to the family, and others in the community. Monster of a man. I find a lot of abuse that goes back generations in these cults. It’s quite sad and scary.
I was born LDS, so I was manipulated into following this religion. I was a missionary when I broke. I finished the mission and played along without offering anything. When I got married it was over. It was all but forced until I was an adult.
I remember doing a project about Mormonism in high school. During the presentation, since I was covering how it started, felt the need to tell the class "I know what you're thinking, but South Park did not make this up." It's wild that was just scratching the surface.
I was already in the process of deconstructing and leaving for other, modern reasons....but THIS makes it MUCH easier. Thank you for putting this infirmation where people like me can access it.
technological comment--I wish other great content creators I follow would learn how to use their microphones (the mics they already have bought!) so well. Have you ever thought of doing a tiny tutorial video to help them out? This also makes better podcasts! Anyways. Excited for the new video!!!
Being raised in that religion, iwas taught same reasons for polygamy and was never told JS practiced it. Ileft church after taking a church history institutes class and when i asked questions about the massacre, i was told it "didn't matter"..... so i started researching and more and more things came to light.
Than you for clear and concise talking points as the Mormons are already walking around our town !!!! And I want to have a clear and helpful way to chat with them…😊
Joseph Smith was made Master Mason (the 3rd step up in Freemason ) and 7ish weeks later introduced the temple endowment ceremony which is all but the exact same thing.
Why lie? it is not found in Masonry. Masons are trade workers using leaather to protect their clothes.. Not fig leaves. Why do you hate Mormons so much as to lie about them?
I'm 51, and I always knew the Urim and Thummim was a tool; the painting, a metaphor, so it surprises me that millennials wouldn't know this. I loved the episode of South Park, because it was so bloody accurate and absurd. We've all seen the exalted image of those glowing plates under Brother Joe's gaze, but I must admit that I taught young that the image was an artistic interpretation of Joseph's holy work, and the plates were back under the protection of God's angelic army. Love this, all of this, been marathoning all day. Keep it up!
There’s NO doubt that Smith knew of captain William Kidd and his exploits. Kidd sailed the Indian Ocean, sailed the Comoros Islands, which has its capital named Moroni. Old Willy Woodruff called Cumorah Comoro a few times… he served a mission in Maine and England and would have known the tails of Kidd as well.
Thank you for bringing up how insane the angel with a flaming sword story is. Besides the huge things you mentioned like slavery and the Holocaust, even if you limit the angel's power to just the church's history, there were so many real problems Joseph and the early church faced where an actual angel could have saved the day. But instead this one time an angel supposedly appears, it's to give Joseph a terrifying story to manipulate a vulnerable girl with.
For me it was the Book of Mormon and DNA Evidence essay. It didn’t fit with what I was taught. It didn’t fit with what Joseph wrote in the Book of Mormon. If that wasn’t true, the rest couldn’t be either. They told me the Book of Mormon was the cornerstone of the religion. That if it wasn’t true the whole of it isn’t true. I followed what they taught me.
My Granfa taught me the area of western New York where these movements started in the 19th century was called "The burned over land" referring not to the land itself, but to how the churches and movements fought each other for congregants.
This is one of my favourite videos to date. I go through phases of diving into what cult practice and preach and the atrocities carried out in each cults name. The two major ones that never out of the main stream are the LDS and Scientology. I spent months looking into L Ron trying to piece all the information together from different sources. Rarely do I find all the valuable information in one place. I just recently decided I was going to deep dive into the dark history of Joseph Smith and what followed after his death in Carthage. So this video saves me flicking through a whole series of videos trying to extrapolate what small amounts of information i can. Thanks ladies I hope to see more videos created by you both in the future
I've seen Carah in this granny square top several times now, I have to know if she made it herself! I started crocheting because of Mary's (ex-Amish) interview on this channel
I feel like I've learned a lot about trauma and started recognizing things in myself, from these stories. I was a JW as a teen, but my siblings were born in Salt Lake, and my folks paid lip service to the LDS church. My best friend growing up was from a big mormon family, we'd join them at morning prayers because we all walked to school together. I still have this vivid memory of my mom drinking wine in a plastic cup with a straw to hide the fact that it was wine from the neighbors. I was sure it was juice and insisted she share. 😂 She did not. I think they were glad when he was transfered to Oregon.
I grew up LDS and was taught that polygamy was a Brigham Young thing and never knew about JS polygamy until I was an adult. I stumbled onto the fact that I am a direct descendent of the mother/daughter pair of JS wives (Sessions). Crazy!!
@@CultstoConsciousnessI'm not related to JS. My lineage is through the oldest son of Patty Bartlett Sessions, Perregrine Sessions. He was born before the Sessions family came to know Joseph Smith.
I have so much respect for what is now called The Community of Christ branch of the Restoration. They are open to change and embrace the diversity of human beings. It may be a faulty semantic distinction, but I only consider the Brighamites to be Mormons and the truest adherents to the horrors of Joseph Smith. The rest of the branches, for the most part, shed a lot of his legacy and established a healther direction. Emma Smith was indeed a strong and ethical human being.
Freemason here, he did indeed steal/copy acts of our craft for his own ends. It's why we kicked him out of our fraternity. It's also probably why Masons didn't come to his aid when he appealed to us for help at his death.
@@CultstoConsciousness indeed, what he did was a major violation that's why he was expelled. I find it odd there are Mormon Freemasons even though they know all this. But it's not for me to judge. I love your work, keep it up.
I mean.....his name was smith, kinda gotta be a mason lol. Also, a lot of the mason stuff is weird af and overly exclusive, also. The G compass is just a metaphor for the human body boiled down. Solomons temple, etc etc. But, have you ever come across the extremely secretive info that Joseph smith was adopted?
@penguintaco9038 interesting:) other freemasons have said they think it means something else, that's why I like to inquire. God coming from the German word gud, the classic white man in the cloud.
Scientology protects pedephiles. They say the child brought it to them ..meaning it was the child's body thaitans that allowed it .not the perpetrators . Because children are adults in that cult
It's not an admission. It's just a false part of the history they were forced to support. There are two opposing narratives and parties in the Mormon church history and they chose to support the one where Joseph started polygamy and practiced and preached it.
I would like to ask your sources for that claim. All research into this shows that Brigham Young told the members in Cedar City to let them alone. The movie that is being referenced strays from the historical narrative in a bad way.
My close friend from high school and her family were mormon. I really want to send her this video, lol. I went to church with her once or twice. Then the missionary girls wanted to come see me, lol. They were so sweet, and we swapped our beliefs, but I'm firm in what I believe. I remember my friend was telling me a story from the Book of mormon, and I told her that's the exact story or Abraham and Sarah from the Bible. We would come up with goals together and mine would be to read my Bible more, but hers would be to read the book of mormon more. Which I thought was different because I thought Mormanism was a form of Christianity, so wouldn't you want to read the actual Bible? I don't know if it was discernment or what, but when she told me who Joseph Smith was, I felt like it wasn't true.
I would love to add to the awesomeness of this episode- You know what is interesting? Mormonism completely disregards mainstream Christians and their beliefs and the bible.....but when you look at the mainstream western, Christian religion- it requires faith in a consensus among multiple translators, multiple texts, and some historical texts. But the mormon religion seems to me that it's validity requires faith in one individual vs the work of many. The other thing is that when you get into studying the origins of the texts of the bible, and you learn about translation work, you realize that the claims of the book of mormon call it a translation. But that isn't a translation- it would be a "transliteration"- and transliterations would look very disjointed because as we learn when you look at translating anything into any language today- some words and meanings are present in some languages and not in others today. So, that would mean that the claim that Joseph gave a pure translation from God from this ancient language as false- that is not the same thing as translations performed today or transliterations. That is something different. And also, the purpose of translations are usually to be as close to the original meaning in the new language and as close to using the understanding of the people receiving it- why did Joseph "transliterate" it into a version of English from 200 years prior? Why did he use english similar to the king james version of the bible? That is not even the most authoritative English translation of the bible- the original manuscripts were arguably, Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic, and then there were English bible version before KJV and King James altered a few things in the bible to make sure people would not read that and rise up against him. So basically, all of this is a giant load of baloney!
Well done! I enjoyed this so much! As a SCL native, never Mo-but-related-to-all-the-church-higher-ups (Young, Spencer, Kimball, Whitney all in my family tree) I've always known how koo koo Mormonism is, but this was the cherry on top. Evil teachings lead to evil actions and yes, we are all still witnessing the whole "by their fruits shall ye know them" in Daybell, Franke, and Ballard, not to mention Tribedeau and who was that manic dude posting on YT about HIM being THE ONE with a prophecy from God...look at ALL the fruits of Joseph's teachings.
I just built a barn in Lewiston, Illinois, where the Navoo Indian burial museum is. They have striken American religious principles and completely disenvoued the religion.
Joseph Smith sounds a lot like Mohammed ! Jesus is the only one who never sinned, and he is the one I choose to follow. I am so happy you beautifull young ladies were able to get out and I will keep you in my prayers
Why do most male polygamists not see that their living poligamy deprives other men from even having a wife. There is about a 50 to 50 ratio of men to women being born. What does that teach us???
Never Mormon, but love history. I’m listening to podcast multi-episode Legends of the Old West about Porter Rockwell. Also listening to podcast American Criminal about Mark Hofmann and his forgeries and bombs. I love both you podcasts.
The way that Joseph Smith "claimed" to translate the Book of Mormon with a hat and seer stone is NOT the way the Bible came to be. First of all, Moses is credited with composing/assembling the first five books of the Old Testament (Torah). Later the prophets and priests wrote other books in the Hebrew canon of Scripture. Scribes copied and re-copied parchments by hand over the centuries of pre-history. They were given "tradition" in written form. The Seat of Moses (occupied by rabbis and teachers of the Law) interpreted Scripture to the people of Israel. The New Testament was given to us by the Catholic Church from the apostles and their associates. Catholic monks translated the ancient Greek texts into Latin originally, and then later into more common languages as time passed. In both cases (Judaism and Catholicism), "tradition" was passed on to others in writing. These writings became known as "Scripture" after they were received, inspected, and studied meticulously by leaned scribes, priests, rabbis, and teachers. What becomes obvious from even a cursory study of biblical history is that neither Judaism or Christianity are "American religions." The events in the Bible took place long before America ever existed in another part of the world. 😊😊😊😊
This is a fascinating interview! You were just discussing how Mormonism has specific doctrine explaining how Joseph Smtih didn’t just want to be the leader of the religion, but also wanted to take over the United States of America. Today’s Christian Nationalists want to do the same thing. I would love for you to interview former Christian Nationalists who has deconstructed.
Joseph Smith sounds a lot like Muhammad. Them being the last prophets and the angels revealing the holy books to them and that all other religions are false and corrupt. Both had little education. They both married under age girls and had multiple wives. Wow!
I know this is an older video so you may not see this comment. I’m half way through this video and tomorrow when the LDS missionaries sisters come and have our lesson, I will be letting them kindly know I will not ever been joining the LDS church and will not be baptised into the faith. I knew some old history about the church, but nothing like this, I’ll be checking out the D&C’s mentioned and looking for myself more into what’s behind the faith from the beginning of the church. This is by far one of the most informative videos I’ve seen.
Hi I'm a fan of you both ❤️ thank you so much for sharing this information. 🤗 The only thing I wanted to say is Cara was explaining how in the Mormon cult you actually need a testimony of Joseph smith vs. the book of Mormon.... She said the BOM is what makes the Mormons different than from other Christians. I know she probably didn't catch it or meant it. But Mormons are not Christians. They are a counterfeit and cult. That's all. Please keep up all the good work! I love you two! ❤️ I pray that you guys have a blessed trips full of wonderful memories!
Eh, I hear people say this all the time, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints aren't 'Christian.' It's way more complicated than that. Only christ can say who is a believer in their heart, not anti mormons
@@janabanana8227 This isn't about anti Mormons or Mormons. Mormons are not Christians. They totally believe in a different Jesus Christ than Christians. Their beliefs of foundation are totally different from Christians. Just because they have Jesus Christ in their title doesn't mean they're Christians or believe in the same Jesus Christ.
I was a 5 time Young Woman President and very devoted convert for decades. When I discovered that my leadership had knowingly lied to me about EVERYTHING I was completely devastated 💔
Why its total BULLSH@:(T Joe Smith Was A Total CON MAN
What did they lie to you about? What doesn’t make sense is that Joseph Smith would allow himself to be persecuted for decades just for a lie. That doesn’t make sense.
Liar.
I'll "unheart" her heart! (lol) In the meantime what do you feel you were "lied about" (?)
Lied to about what?
I’m so glad I got to see this!! I left this church when I was 35. I’m 51 now and I’ve never regretted walking away!!
Goodluck to u
I’m guessing you’re living your best life now no matter how hard it is to deconstruct … keep going. Keep seeming and live the commandments for real not in religion !!!
Taramanma: I also left the church at around 35. I'm 82 now. Left my abusive Mormon husband too. I have survived alone for 40 plus years. I know I would not be alive and sane had I not left. I was happy at your young age of 51. "Thank the Lord, and pass the ammunition." An old saying in WWI. My old Mormon grampa, who was in that war, used to say that all the time. He came from polygamous families, as did all my ancestors back to the time of Joseph Smith.
@@marjoriegarner5369 wow! Actually sound like my grandma’s story almost to a T but she was a Lutheran … and is 91 now. She’s always been my rock, playful, prayerful I think because she had been through so much!!!
I got it at 35 too. I'm not quite as far along as you, but 💯% agree
Excellent show. In 1967 my husband and I took a vacation from Michigan and ended up in Salt Lake on our way to Yellowstone. For some strange reason we went to the Mormon information center and watched the story of Joseph Smith and thought it was ridiculous and wondered how anyone could believe it. My husband, a secular Jew, was amazed he was considered a gentile.
They believe it because they’re gullible that’s the only thing I can think of
That's what I thought when I was in high school and my friend was telling me about it! She was telling me a story from the Book of mormon, and I swear it was the story of Abraham and Sarah, just with different names. I don't know if it's discernment or what, but I knew that it wasn't right.
Raised in it.
Exactly as a fellow Jew I agree 100%
Your husband is a gentile. Kazarians are not Judeans. And that's my p.o.v. Frankly I think you're misrepresenting the Mormom position, which is that the Jews are Judaeans.
We were told in the church growing up that many would be deceived in the last days. I didn't think it would actually be the church that would be doing the deceiving.
Branches of the (Universal) Church are falling away, believing in false teachers, preachers, “prophets,” and heresies.
While we are living during a time of the “Great Apostasy,” a REMANT of true believers is still present!
You won’t find these “true believers” in many American churches today, but you can still find them in “Bible Teaching” churches!
Calvary Chapel Churches is one such church whom teach in the “expository style” - by chapter and verse.
Their late founder - Chuck Smith was an excellent Bible teacher/preacher of the Holy scriptures 📖 and ALL of his sermons can be found on UA-cam. He has sermons on ALL of the 📚 BOOKS of the Bible!
Seek and ye shall find, ask and it will be given to you!!! - God’s Indomitable TRUTH!
Ex-Mo, here. It's hard to leave a cult, but you'll never know real contentment unless you do. It is liberating to be in control of yourself without that "still, small voice" making you question your every thought. It just keeps getting better.
I was a Mormon. Did a mission and everything. None of the Mormons who filled my world are really a part of it now. I don't hate them, and I don't miss them. They think they don't hate me, and
they don't miss me.
Leaving a cult is really hard when you have no support from outside the cult.
You can do it. There are lots of good people who aren't Mormons, and they have no reason to hate you.
I guess we can be glad the big GOD is so involved in people’s sex lives and the threats to use on any child who may refuse. Imagine the mayhem if GOD hadn’t direct Joe
You made a wise decision to leave the church. You have the qualification to encourage other Mormons to leave and even deconvert them slowly, so they will not the guilt and anxiety that comes from indoctrination and control a of cult.
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There is the Freedom from religion foundation and the Aftermath program
You're a fake pretender.
"... If Joseph came back today he wouldn't recognized the church..." And then demand his cut of the plunder.
And very likely call the leadership unworthy even if they prove to him that they made his church a mega money producing corporation.
Spot On The Man Was A Con Simple
No, I don't agree that he was a "con". But, he was human. As long as prophets are humans they'll be imperfect and will definitely make incorrect choices as any other human. Think of Jonah, Peter's denials and many other prophets and apostles. The burden is on us individually to choose to either believe what they each teach or not to believe. Remember that the ancient text says, "..by their fruits you will know them..". I see how things are going for the vast majority of the institutionalized prophets of Restoration Movement churches and it's looking best for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints right now. I for one, however, have been guided by the Holy Spirit to not be affiliated with that institution. My mission in this life is to be elsewhere. Blessings.
The "heavenly cut" is where the gold is!
@@antonioajrfeliz9722 Well said!
Joseph Smith was on the forefront of the 19th century US Spiritualism Movement. The population was primed for his fantasical claims & it's fascinating how he tapped into that.
Joseph Smith had the sheeple to do what he did.
Yes, many "prophets" in that area at that time.
He was tapping that all right.
I’m walking out THIS WEEK! Finally 🎉
Update us 😊
Good for you!! How did it go? Im kinda confused about your profile pic and name though🤔
“We aren’t stupid. We were tricked”. THANK YOU.
Yes!!! And these two women are so smart and funny and relatable !!!
What’s the difference?
@@darwinspeacock one of the two can be fixed. Thats the difference.
@@darwinspeacockignorant might be a better word then stupid…
@@darwinspeacock I would’ve used the word gullible instead. I know plenty of smart people who are gullible AF.
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63 years old here.
Withdrew mentally in my mid-late teens and physically by early 20’s mostly due to sexual shaming and patriarchal superiority. Never deconstructed or considered the truth of the church until recently. I had moved on but not healed. Thank you for being part of helping people understand themselves and moving through and past this.
I went through years of guilt and depression before beginning to cope in my 40’s with energy medicine techniques and meditation.
Thank you for all you do Shelise by bringing many types of stories into the open.
Thanks for sharing. You’re not alone!
I was dragged up in a mormon family and never believed any of it. My earlieat memories are of knowing Im being lied to but having to go along with it as my parents were/are physically, mentally spirituly abusive, so I toed the line out of self preservation. Being 7 of 8 kids my parents didnt put up a fight and saw me as a lost cause anyway, when I was old enough to stay home every Sunday and I stated it wasnt for me and moved out of their house as a young teen. I am, no surprises, the shunned black sheep/ family scapegoat unless they want to appear as a loving co hesive family in public and then Im expected to appear but keep my mouth shut while they all shit on me and my life choices. Ive never ever second guessed my choice to not go along with lies to be accepted or fit in. But the programming as a vulnerable developing child is still deeply embedded in me as a 53 year old woman. I have spent 50 years just living in a reactive trauma bubble but the way am healing myself is to learn and discover why certain things occured and make some logical sense of it all and discover why I was treated so appallingly and why my seemilngly intelligent, seemingly successful parents could fall for such utter nonsense even though I as a young child could see it for what it was. Listening to this it sounds like narcissism is a big factor as they think they are the chosen few going to heaven. And both my parents are raging narcs! These podcasts are a great help to me to understand and make sense of it all which helps to undo destructive programming inflicted on me that I have to work at nearly every minute of every day to mot fall back into a black hole! So THANKYOU so so very much! 💗
I hope you have found peace with your past that's what I'm doing right now reading your posts give me hope I was born into an ifb family yeah they're a lot of lake and similar ways and maybe not but you give me encouragement to try thank you and congratulations staying cold free
I’m so sorry you went through that. If you haven’t already seen, Patrick Teahan has some really helpful videos on his UA-cam channel for people recovering from childhood religious trauma. You might find it beneficial. All the best to you on your healing journey.
When the religionist influence starts to cause fights and hatred at home, it is up to the parents to prevent religious trauma and not add fuel to it. No chid should have to go through religion trauma. The best solution I can say is to keep the religionist and cult influence out of the home. A truly educated home keeps religion, politics and crass commercialist culture, out.
@@julians9070 Unfortunately the parents are often the main perpetrators in these cases.
@@julians9070none of these things were off limits in my home. No topic was off limits. I'm a never mormon and am grateful to been raised in a healthy (not perfect) home.
You understate the threat to Aunt Lucy Walker. If she marries him, she AND ALL HER FAMILY will be exalted. If she doesn't, the gates of heaven will be sealed up against her AND ALL OF HER FAMILY. FOREVER. Oh, and she has 24 hours to make up her mind.
I am a direct descendant of her older brother William; had she said "Nope", would those gates be closed to me, too?
Let's never let Aunt Lucy's story be forgotten!
THE THING THAT REALLY GOT ME THE FIRST TIME i WENT TO THE TEMPLE WAS THAT SATAN TOLD ADAM AND EVE TO PUT ON APRONS WHEN GOD CAME LOOKING FOR THEM, THEN THE NARRATOR HAD THE CONGRAGATION PUT ON THE GREEN APRON. IT WAS LIKE TAKING ORDERS FROM SATAN, NOT GOD. NO ONE COULD EXPLAIN IT ENOUGH TO SATISFY ME WHEN I WOULD ASK.
Lucifer taught morals, Genesis 3.
When I asked “…Why was Satan in the Holy Temple?” I would always be told to not worrying about it… it did bother me and now I know why!
Holy shit, that's a really great overlooked point.
😂 the apron is Masonic
@@tinytikesms.m6509 Yes Joseph Smith was a Mason and many of the rituals and beliefs are integrated into Mormonism. I think one of the early Mormon prophets says he doesn't fault mother eve for eating the apple because by it we all can become gods. This is masonic thought....working our way to godhood and worshiping lucifer. This is not anything that Jesus ever thought. Neither is Satan and Jesus brothers.
Hi, back when I was attending Cerritos College,I meant a girl who was Hindu. She told me one time some Mormon missionary came to her door. She said these Missionaries asked her if she knew who Joseph Smith was? She responded with "Is Joseph Smith one of your Christian gods? The two people walked away.
My dad taught at Cerritos ❤
Joseph Smith is depicted in the standard painting that doesn't actually look like him. Might as well give him an elephant head.
@@xenuburger7924 is that an illustration where he's looking like Moses in some kind of battle?
Joseph Smith , founded the LDS church with hypocrisy, lies, and deceit. When you have to many sheeple , polygamy is inevitable.
Living prophets are wild to me! (I grew up mildly Christian)
Three things that I learned that broke it for me: 1. Translating by rock and hat. 2. Book of Abraham. 3.Polyandry. Thanks Gospel Topics Essays :)
It's odd how polygyny gets a pass way before polyandry.
@@annwood6812maybe because the polygamy was known to an extent, but marrying already married women whose husbands were off on missions really shocks people because it shows how little regard he had for marriage
Im going to put this very plain and simple. This girl is a liar.
But better yet, yall are here for a reason. I can prove the book of Mormon was written by ancient jews. And you can too.
If you aren't familiar with Jewish writings, lookup robert kay on UA-cam.
Read the book of Mormon side by side with the Bible as it was intended.
It is soo basic and obvious, you wont need people lying to you like these girls.
I love that phrase, “oceans of trauma.” There is a BIG difference between “ human frailty” and strong patterns of abuse. If we are to believe in agency, then we MUST accept accountability. I am also in my thirties, and I’m just glad you guys provided a sounding board for me to question my religion. I love the idea of families being together forever( I say ‘idea’ because I’ve read doctrine and covenants 132), but I cannot condone the harm that has been done based on this one chapter of doctrine. How can we preach free will and forgiveness, when it DOES NOT reflect in the actions of the early leaders? (Or arguably current) 😢. I just wish I had noticed earlier.
Try to understand it is this present time you are opening up to real truths because now you are ready, and that mybdear is a good thing.👍🕊
It's not surprising people fell for this when nobody had ways of fact checking anything. And I know generations have just been born into it. But it's strange to me that anybody joins it now.
I'm not surprised at all. The parallelism to Trumpism is uncanny. Half of what she was saying about Joseph Smith and his followers could be applied to what's happening now on the right.
A friend became a Mormon a few years ago because she was poor, isolated, and struggling, and the church's charity+community helped her out. She's not an active member anymore due to health issues, but she'd never been a super religious person for as long as I'd known her
They don’t tell new -victims- members the batshit crazy aspects of their cult at the beginning. It’s like with boiling a frog slowly.
@@Arcadia61Heck yeah! So true. These lessons should be taught in history classes.
@@Arcadia61the parallel to democrats is uncanny...
I wish I could support the good work you are doing here on this channel. But because of my own experience being tr**ficked and worse from the time I was in diapers by this cult...its FAR too triggering and I have to focus on my own healing. But to anyone watching, I want to add my own voice to validate the truthfulness of what this channel is doing. Please help share and raise awareness so that together we can finally stop this criminal enterprise and hold all of these horrible people accountable.
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
Excellent quote.
WE'RE ONLY HELPLESS BECAUSE WE'RE HEARTLESS.
@@courtneyroberts6011 That is very true.
Amen amen amen... you can only expose truth by shining a light on it.
Why am I a never-mormon totally fascinated with mormonism???
Curiosity killed the cat, yes look into it but don't get sucked in!! Put ur shields up! I believe it's like driving by an accident you have to look, human fascination but drive by.
Because maybe you like me was in a high demand religion, full of gaslighting and wanted truth???
And I have Mormons surrounding my house all summer long and the JW’s…
Same
Because it is absolutely haunting
Some of us like me grew up in a very fundamentalist isolated Colts and I was born into mine
The servant girl in their home Fanny was 14 when Joseph’s wife found him having sex with her in the barn. Author of In Polygamy’s Shadow
Not defending Joe. Not saying this is any better. However, in the pursuit of truth lets be accurate in the things we report. Fanny Alger was 16. If you encounter a Mormon, they might say something like..."14 years old was common for the day." It was not. The common age, even in rural America, was 22. There are 14-year-old girls he married but fanny was one of the 16-year old's he married.
@@troycarter349 @maggierayner9408 It's important to note that this account was a thirdhand recollection and McLellin had been excommunicated and held a grudge against Joseph Smith.
L. Ron Hubbard was definitely a fanboy.
He wanted to replicate Mormonism in Clearwater 😂 Florida
So true, I watch a channel called leaving scientology.. when they tell their stories, and truth... I get OMG mormon church vibes.. its like all cults have a playbook.
This was one of my favorite Mormon history videos of all time! You guys have great chemistry and I love when the history can be translated into modern language. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I broke from christianity to atheism many years ago and did so by what i call Einstein Method of Religious Deprogramming . That is space time. It took space away from the church, complete separation over a period of time. After that time passed, i looked over my shoulder and thought what in the hell was i thinking? But when you are in the middle of it, you just dont see it.
My friend! It’s incredible to see you here. (I recognize you from Brandi & RA’s streams!) I love both of these lovely ladies, and you have great taste in creators!
Also neat to learn more about you!
Mormonism aint Christianity Mate. Get that in your head... They mock Jesus Christ by having Priests and belittling the sacrifoce of Jesus on tje cross.
That’s funny because Einstein actually believed in God
fatbysnacksident3217,
Thinking there is a God, just don't know exactly what God is.
@@fatbysnacksident3217but he did not believe in the god Christian’s believed he believed in a god that would not involve itself with human affairs.
I learned so much listening to this. I was raised in a mainstream Christian denomination. I didn't understand why Mormon was listed as a cult. Donnie and Marie Osmond seemed like lovely people. I remember my Dad telling us, what the Mormons do to each other in their temple is beyond belief. It wasn't until I started reading books written by survivors of polygamy that I began to get an understanding of the betrayal of good people. Thank you for helping us to understand.
Every time I watch one of your videos I have a better understanding of what my mother went through and why she did what she did. My father raised me because my mother drank and would abandon her children at neighbors, for months. I did have a few stories and was able to find most of her information. I found that on the 1930 census she had moved from Utah to LA at the age of 12. I can only imagine what she witnessed or experienced. My great-great-grandfather was Alexander Jameson and from what I've researched had several wives. He may have come to Utah with Smith. Your videos have made it easier to forgive my Mother. Thank you ❤❤❤
Don't forget, you can support exmos by requesting their books (look up every book they published) to be stocked at your local library. It costs nothing, you can check out the books cost free, help others seeking answers AND provides financial support to the authors!! 😊 please share this information ❤
Its shared
@@lenabruto2860😊 thank you!
Bewitched: What are these books called? For requesting at local library. Thank you.
@@marjoriegarner5369 there are a few but most recently, Alyssa Grenfell published How To Leave The Mormon Church with the forward written by John Dehlin. There's a few others but this is the one I like to support! I hope Carah writes a book!! We can't have too much literature on the subject
I love all the books actually I need a new one cuz I read all the ones have been recommended to me and they're excellent
Awesome show, ladies! I was disfellowshipped from the church when I was 23, partially for questioning these exact perversions. I was upset when i found out the older dude marriages with young women weren't for economic reasons, etc etc. as we were told. I questioned all this back in seminary, and they just told me to 'trust god.' Yeah ok. We are the warned about 'feminists' they touted would come. Well duh, we are protectors of women and children. It's all so imbalanced. Many cults start with pervy dudes wanting all the hot women for himself. Gross af
Thanks for sharing! So frustrating!
I was never disfellowshipped but only because I left, stopped attending, married a nonmember and moved out of town. My shelf just completely collapsed unexpectedly in seminary one day. The year we did D&C and the Book of Abraham. The teacher tearfully explained that yes, JS had sexual relationships with all these women and young girls - but God made him do it. He didn’t want to. The lost 116 pages had already cracked my shelf really well, and then we read the threats to Emma. And boom. No more shelf.
I have wide tolerance for human foibles, faults, and frailties. What I don't like is deception, deceit, and covering up truths after the fact to keep a wealthy org going. Just be honest and transparent from the get-go, or it isn't built on a true foundation. Then let people decide if it is something they want to support. Another example, they changed aspects of the original angel aparitions when Joseph was young. why? It's sketch to change the narrative to fit a better mold just to gather more people. And pedophilia. I don't care for that, either. The apologists on this in the patriarchal re legions get nauseating.
Maybe we should consider teaching consent from a very young age and idk maybe teach men to keep it in their pants
always ready to learn more about the Rocky Mountain Bible Fanfiction Sex Cult founder.
If anyone wants a t shirt, I sell em haha.
😂😂 I love the descriptor. It’s spot on
No fanfiction, just distortion !!!
👏🤣💥
But actually a more accurate name than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
I left about 10 years ago after spending the first 30 years of my life in the Church. From the outside looking in i can see now how bizarre the whole thing is, yet i defended it tooth and nail when i was in. The programming is strong.
Exactly
I did a deep dive on Mormonism and its history around 10 years ago and must have read 8 or more books written by ex-Mormons both in the 19th and 20th centuries. What I read is that Joseph Smith often married women that were ALREADY MARRIED. These women and their spouses were given mafia-like choice in the matter (as in if you don't go along with this, then such and such is going to happen to you). Many went along with it -- but NOT all (which is why those books are even in existence). Many believed that he was killed by men who were outraged at how he had basically raped their wives. Also, Smith was a member of a freemason secret society where if they were ever in great need they were to yell out, "Is there no help for the widow's son?!" (something like that), and Joseph Smith did that and, nope, nobody helped him! I only bothered too search out this false religion because one of my sisters (much younger than me and with a different mother) grew up mostly in Utah and ended up marrying into a Mormon family. I can't say what I told her was any help, but to keep it really short I told her that the Angel Moroni is/was a FALLEN angel. I actually DO believe that is the case and I believe Smith was getting guidance from a fallen angel (and whatever other spirits) regarding the Book of Mormon, etc. Smith didn't write it -- he was probably what today is called "channeling" it. This is why it sounds like something he could never have written. Smith was not enough of a Christian to avoid conning people and doing divination or other sins expressly forbidden in the Bible, so it is NO BIG SURPRISE that he did not test the spirits, as we are told to do in the King James Bible, which also warns of those who teach "another Jesus" which is NOT the Jesus of Matthew through Revelation (and who shows up, once you know how to spot Him in the Old Testament as well).
This whole Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell thing is something I didn't really learn about until about a month ago -- but I can't say I am surprised that a "church" with such a rotten foundation cannot produce good fruit, as Jesus told us. I see the "Church of the Firstborn" as one of its fruits. And from what I can glean there were a LOT more followers of Daybell's cult than has been reported. A lady named Bernadine who was a neighbor in Daybell's neighborhood said she learned from someone who I believe is a relative of hers in a nearby town from Rexburg and who is a law enforcement officer told her that somewhere in the neighborhood of a thousand (whether people or homes I do not know) scattered and disappeared from that town RIGHT AFTER THE BODIES WERE FOUND ON DAYBELL'S PROPERTY. They went into hiding (hopefully more from shame than from escaping embarrassing controversy).
The Daybell children are important. There are many who have been programmed in other "churches" as well, perhaps most especially those who have a big "shunning" rule where if a person questions the religion they are kicked out and even their own immediate family members are not to speak to them again -- and for the most of them, that includes everyone they have ever known! (Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologists being other examples, though I am certain there are many more.)
When I was preparing to go to the temple, I was told by a high level member that if I were to be out on the street performing what I would see in the temple, I would probably be arrested for being insane!!!
BRigham and Emma hated each other. She felt like he had way too much control, and he hated she was a strong minded woman. Emma felt that the church should go to her son, with someone basically being a regent until Joseph Smith Jr. III was of age to take over.
Hi Shelise! Loved your guest today! So, I live in Cleveland and it's SUPER common for missionaries to come here (and actually go through really crime ridden neighborhoods) to preach and get you to join. I have a huge heart, so I often let these kids in for a chat and a snack and I just can't help but notice how they can't answer super basic questions. It's all the same answer about getting to church and talking to God for the answer.
I feel so bad for these kids, it's almost like a form of slavery for the church to drum up new members.
Why is it that pretty much every single religion get members by preying on the weak and vulnerable? Didn’t mean that as a pun but I guess churches can’t just get members by simply advertising it and actually help people like doing soup kitchens for example let your good deeds speak for itself
these ladies have helped me understand why my cousins are still Mormon. have my cousins considered themselves Mormon and still use the word to describe their religion.
I was raised in what is now called Communities of Christ (was The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints). We were raised being taught that Joseph Smith was not a polygamist and the Elders were so adamant about it, and would get so angry no matter the evidence produced for them. I left the church 23 yrs ago when i realized we literally had a different Bible then main stream Christianity and following a huge project compairing the LDS and RLDS views and history of Joseph Smith. Some crazy stuff out there, too much for more to keep embracing those beliefs
Oh! I would love to chat with you! Send me a DM @cultstoconsciousness on IG
How do Mormons justify marriage for time and all eternity when the Bible says, in the resurrection we will neither marry or be given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven. I’ve always wondered about that.
I’ve pondered this before myself
Probably because the BOM and D&C are supposed to be the updated word of God
Very conveniently “the Bible has been corrupted”. There is no respect for the very word of the Lord Jesus, whose name they blaspheme using it in the new name of their church (rather than “Mormon”)
My maternal side of the family was SLC LDS & we were led to believe the book of mormon supercedes the bible as the additional word of god for the elect.
You all gaslighted
Yay! Two of my favorite exmo’s!
When i was a child, and being dragged along to unwanted church services i would have nightmares of black smoke billowing out the doors of our new LDS chapel. I would scream and scream within the slow motion dreamscape, begging friends and neighbors to see the danger and not go in.
42:58 🎵”Lucy Harris smart smart smart, Martin Harris dumb, dumb-dumb” 🎵 😂
Ha ha this is EXACTLY what was going though my mind too.
My family is deep rooted in Mormonism, all the way back to the Organ Trial. I broke away when I was 20. Grew up in the religion through the 80s and 90s. I and was supposed to go on my mission. I couldn’t get over the amount of racism plaguing the religion, not to mention how I was treated by family and friends. Being free from the religion is life changing.
This is for poor Carah …. I’m ashamed to admit that I was 60 when I left the faith. Hope you feel better now. ❤
Fun fact: Joseph Smith was arrested in Norwich, NY for treasure hunting, which was Norwich speak for being a con man. I grew up 45 minutes from Norwich.
He was arrested for a lot more than that.
He was also tar and feathered multiple times, beat, shot, assassinated, driven from town to town, and... Every single prophecy he had made has come to pass.
Im going to put this very plain and simple. This girl is a liar.
But better yet, yall are here for a reason. I can prove the book of Mormon was written by ancient jews. And you can too.
If you aren't familiar with Jewish writings, lookup robert kay on UA-cam.
Read the book of Mormon side by side with the Bible as it was intended.
It is soo basic and obvious, you wont need people lying to you like these girls.
I just spoke to my ex husband about the video you guys put out a couple days ago. He grew up in the RLDS church and his father was an elder of their church. His mother was born in independence MO with her family line in the sect. He knew it was bogus as a kid inside himself. We have been through a lot that his father did to the family, and others in the community. Monster of a man. I find a lot of abuse that goes back generations in these cults. It’s quite sad and scary.
I was born LDS, so I was manipulated into following this religion. I was a missionary when I broke. I finished the mission and played along without offering anything. When I got married it was over. It was all but forced until I was an adult.
I remember doing a project about Mormonism in high school. During the presentation, since I was covering how it started, felt the need to tell the class "I know what you're thinking, but South Park did not make this up." It's wild that was just scratching the surface.
I was already in the process of deconstructing and leaving for other, modern reasons....but THIS makes it MUCH easier. Thank you for putting this infirmation where people like me can access it.
technological comment--I wish other great content creators I follow would learn how to use their microphones (the mics they already have bought!) so well. Have you ever thought of doing a tiny tutorial video to help them out? This also makes better podcasts! Anyways. Excited for the new video!!!
Realizing that the FLDS were more closely following JS than we members were, was the beginning of the end for me.
Being raised in that religion, iwas taught same reasons for polygamy and was never told JS practiced it. Ileft church after taking a church history institutes class and when i asked questions about the massacre, i was told it "didn't matter"..... so i started researching and more and more things came to light.
You pull one string and it all unravels 🥲
Than you for clear and concise talking points as the Mormons are already walking around our town !!!! And I want to have a clear and helpful way to chat with them…😊
You know it's a good episode when CtC and nuancehoe are together 🙌
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Joseph Smith was made Master Mason (the 3rd step up in Freemason ) and 7ish weeks later introduced the temple endowment ceremony which is all but the exact same thing.
Why lie? it is not found in Masonry. Masons are trade workers using leaather to protect their clothes.. Not fig leaves. Why do you hate Mormons so much as to lie about them?
You just repeat what someone else told you, research by yourself and you'll see.
You've never seen how a Freemason ceromony is!
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@@octaviobottari2013 I read that from the Joseph Smith papers. Where are you getting your info from?
@@michaelparks5669 I got it straight off the Joseph Smith papers. I suppose they could be lying?
I'm 51, and I always knew the Urim and Thummim was a tool; the painting, a metaphor, so it surprises me that millennials wouldn't know this. I loved the episode of South Park, because it was so bloody accurate and absurd. We've all seen the exalted image of those glowing plates under Brother Joe's gaze, but I must admit that I taught young that the image was an artistic interpretation of Joseph's holy work, and the plates were back under the protection of God's angelic army. Love this, all of this, been marathoning all day. Keep it up!
There’s NO doubt that Smith knew of captain William Kidd and his exploits. Kidd sailed the Indian Ocean, sailed the Comoros Islands, which has its capital named Moroni.
Old Willy Woodruff called Cumorah Comoro a few times… he served a mission in Maine and England and would have known the tails of Kidd as well.
Oh my god!! I am 5 seconds into the video, and I have to stop and tell you how much I LOVE your sweater! ❤️❤️❤️
Yall been busy as hell! ❤ Love all the content and sharing the message of getting free from cults!
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@@CultstoConsciousnessNice job you are doing. ❤. I wish my Muslim family would get away too from these lunatics.
@@ThomasEdison-dd8mswe are here for you my friend. I hope so too
@@greg-op2jh all of them are simply frauds nothing else. The Mormons gave ideas to Tableeghis in Southeast Asia. Same modus operandi
Thank you for saying that the book of Abraham was made up.
Thank you for bringing up how insane the angel with a flaming sword story is. Besides the huge things you mentioned like slavery and the Holocaust, even if you limit the angel's power to just the church's history, there were so many real problems Joseph and the early church faced where an actual angel could have saved the day. But instead this one time an angel supposedly appears, it's to give Joseph a terrifying story to manipulate a vulnerable girl with.
What a great episode! I also want to add I love your crocheted top. Did you make it?
Thanks! My friend made it for my birthday! I love it.
For me it was the Book of Mormon and DNA Evidence essay. It didn’t fit with what I was taught. It didn’t fit with what Joseph wrote in the Book of Mormon. If that wasn’t true, the rest couldn’t be either. They told me the Book of Mormon was the cornerstone of the religion. That if it wasn’t true the whole of it isn’t true. I followed what they taught me.
My Granfa taught me the area of western New York where these movements started in the 19th century was called "The burned over land" referring not to the land itself, but to how the churches and movements fought each other for congregants.
The technical term for a leader making proclamations that the peons only have to follow is "bamboozle."
Bring her back. I could listen to you both for hours. She had me googling like crazy
This is one of my favourite videos to date.
I go through phases of diving into what cult practice and preach and the atrocities carried out in each cults name.
The two major ones that never out of the main stream are the LDS and Scientology.
I spent months looking into L Ron trying to piece all the information together from different sources. Rarely do I find all the valuable information in one place.
I just recently decided I was going to deep dive into the dark history of Joseph Smith and what followed after his death in Carthage.
So this video saves me flicking through a whole series of videos trying to extrapolate what small amounts of information i can.
Thanks ladies
I hope to see more videos created by you both in the future
I've seen Carah in this granny square top several times now, I have to know if she made it herself! I started crocheting because of Mary's (ex-Amish) interview on this channel
Loved this episode. You guys keep helping me deconstruct the brainwashing I still have after being excommunicated over 28 years ago.
Omg I love this woman. She talks fast and just spits out truth. I love it. Thank you for sharing this with us
This was so interesting!!! I'm not connected with the LDS religion, but found this fascinating.
I feel like I've learned a lot about trauma and started recognizing things in myself, from these stories. I was a JW as a teen, but my siblings were born in Salt Lake, and my folks paid lip service to the LDS church. My best friend growing up was from a big mormon family, we'd join them at morning prayers because we all walked to school together. I still have this vivid memory of my mom drinking wine in a plastic cup with a straw to hide the fact that it was wine from the neighbors. I was sure it was juice and insisted she share. 😂 She did not. I think they were glad when he was transfered to Oregon.
So, good old Joey WAS the Keith Raniere (Nxivm) of his day. And love your talks with Carah! More LDS history would be great!
I grew up LDS and was taught that polygamy was a Brigham Young thing and never knew about JS polygamy until I was an adult. I stumbled onto the fact that I am a direct descendent of the mother/daughter pair of JS wives (Sessions). Crazy!!
Wait! Does that mean you’re related to Joe? Because that would be further evidence that he had sex with his “spiritual wives”!
@@CultstoConsciousnessI'm not related to JS. My lineage is through the oldest son of Patty Bartlett Sessions, Perregrine Sessions. He was born before the Sessions family came to know Joseph Smith.
I have so much respect for what is now called The Community of Christ branch of the Restoration. They are open to change and embrace the diversity of human beings. It may be a faulty semantic distinction, but I only consider the Brighamites to be Mormons and the truest adherents to the horrors of Joseph Smith. The rest of the branches, for the most part, shed a lot of his legacy and established a healther direction. Emma Smith was indeed a strong and ethical human being.
Thank you so much for educating us!
"I don't wanna live forever in someone else's heaven so let 'em close the gates." I love David Archuleta's new song ❤
Freemason here, he did indeed steal/copy acts of our craft for his own ends. It's why we kicked him out of our fraternity. It's also probably why Masons didn't come to his aid when he appealed to us for help at his death.
Interesting!!
@@CultstoConsciousness indeed, what he did was a major violation that's why he was expelled. I find it odd there are Mormon Freemasons even though they know all this. But it's not for me to judge. I love your work, keep it up.
I mean.....his name was smith, kinda gotta be a mason lol. Also, a lot of the mason stuff is weird af and overly exclusive, also. The G compass is just a metaphor for the human body boiled down. Solomons temple, etc etc. But, have you ever come across the extremely secretive info that Joseph smith was adopted?
@@janabanana8227 the G stands for God, and no I haven't.
@penguintaco9038 interesting:) other freemasons have said they think it means something else, that's why I like to inquire. God coming from the German word gud, the classic white man in the cloud.
From those of us on the outside looking in, it is at least as wacky as scientology w a pedo twist
Scientology protects pedephiles. They say the child brought it to them ..meaning it was the child's body thaitans that allowed it .not the perpetrators . Because children are adults in that cult
CoS does have the pedo twist.
Double-standards: no different than almost every major religion and any world power, even/especially the USA.
The church has actually released gospel essays admitting Joseph Smith's polygamy and it's wild how they try to discount it
They don't all try to ignore it. The clever ones admit to it and justify it by saying God commanded it for then.
Yep, the LDS church basically grooms women to be breeding stock. At least the FLDS are up front about it.
It's not an admission. It's just a false part of the history they were forced to support. There are two opposing narratives and parties in the Mormon church history and they chose to support the one where Joseph started polygamy and practiced and preached it.
It’s getting old…. People should be more upset about Brigham young
Oh trust me. We are.
Keep up the amazing work you have a wonderful voice and beautiful personality.
I hate Bringham Young with a passion. He was evil.
Thank you both for this much needed topic❤❤❤
I saw a movie that claimed that Brigham Young ordered the murder of settlers and tried to blame it on local Indians.
Mountain Meadows Massacre, a truly awful tragedy of early Mormonism.
It’s true, and he actually covered up his own involvement in the massacre.
I would like to ask your sources for that claim. All research into this shows that Brigham Young told the members in Cedar City to let them alone. The movie that is being referenced strays from the historical narrative in a bad way.
What a mind blowing episode 🤯! Loved learning all this!!!
Omg i love Carah’s top so much. Love your videos together too ❤
congrats on hitting 200,000 subscribers!!! I have learned SO MUCH from your channel. SO much! Your channel has changed my life.
YES!!! I thought South Park was lying too!!!! Is this Tim Ballard on ketamine!?! 😂😂😂😂 Thank you two for always being the BEST!! ❤
I really enjoyed this episode!! Thanks to both of you!
My close friend from high school and her family were mormon. I really want to send her this video, lol. I went to church with her once or twice. Then the missionary girls wanted to come see me, lol. They were so sweet, and we swapped our beliefs, but I'm firm in what I believe. I remember my friend was telling me a story from the Book of mormon, and I told her that's the exact story or Abraham and Sarah from the Bible. We would come up with goals together and mine would be to read my Bible more, but hers would be to read the book of mormon more. Which I thought was different because I thought Mormanism was a form of Christianity, so wouldn't you want to read the actual Bible? I don't know if it was discernment or what, but when she told me who Joseph Smith was, I felt like it wasn't true.
Thanks for sharing. Mormons also read the Bible but it’s not as important to them as the BOM.
I would love to add to the awesomeness of this episode- You know what is interesting? Mormonism completely disregards mainstream Christians and their beliefs and the bible.....but when you look at the mainstream western, Christian religion- it requires faith in a consensus among multiple translators, multiple texts, and some historical texts. But the mormon religion seems to me that it's validity requires faith in one individual vs the work of many. The other thing is that when you get into studying the origins of the texts of the bible, and you learn about translation work, you realize that the claims of the book of mormon call it a translation. But that isn't a translation- it would be a "transliteration"- and transliterations would look very disjointed because as we learn when you look at translating anything into any language today- some words and meanings are present in some languages and not in others today. So, that would mean that the claim that Joseph gave a pure translation from God from this ancient language as false- that is not the same thing as translations performed today or transliterations. That is something different. And also, the purpose of translations are usually to be as close to the original meaning in the new language and as close to using the understanding of the people receiving it- why did Joseph "transliterate" it into a version of English from 200 years prior? Why did he use english similar to the king james version of the bible? That is not even the most authoritative English translation of the bible- the original manuscripts were arguably, Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic, and then there were English bible version before KJV and King James altered a few things in the bible to make sure people would not read that and rise up against him. So basically, all of this is a giant load of baloney!
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Well done! I enjoyed this so much! As a SCL native, never Mo-but-related-to-all-the-church-higher-ups (Young, Spencer, Kimball, Whitney all in my family tree) I've always known how koo koo Mormonism is, but this was the cherry on top. Evil teachings lead to evil actions and yes, we are all still witnessing the whole "by their fruits shall ye know them" in Daybell, Franke, and Ballard, not to mention Tribedeau and who was that manic dude posting on YT about HIM being THE ONE with a prophecy from God...look at ALL the fruits of Joseph's teachings.
I just built a barn in Lewiston, Illinois, where the Navoo Indian burial museum is. They have striken American religious principles and completely disenvoued the religion.
Joseph Smith sounds a lot like Mohammed !
Jesus is the only one who never sinned, and he is the one I choose to follow.
I am so happy you beautifull young ladies were able to get out and I will keep you in my prayers
Yes Muslim faith and Mormonism has many similarities. Not sure which one is worst, toss up
Parallels to profit of Islam is unbelievable 😱😱😱😱
Why do most male polygamists not see that their living poligamy deprives other men from even having a wife. There is about a 50 to 50 ratio of men to women being born. What does that teach us???
Never Mormon, but love history. I’m listening to podcast multi-episode Legends of the Old West about Porter Rockwell. Also listening to podcast American Criminal about Mark Hofmann and his forgeries and bombs. I love both you podcasts.
The way that Joseph Smith "claimed" to translate the Book of Mormon with a hat and seer stone is NOT the way the Bible came to be. First of all, Moses is credited with composing/assembling the first five books of the Old Testament (Torah). Later the prophets and priests wrote other books in the Hebrew canon of Scripture. Scribes copied and re-copied parchments by hand over the centuries of pre-history. They were given "tradition" in written form. The Seat of Moses (occupied by rabbis and teachers of the Law) interpreted Scripture to the people of Israel. The New Testament was given to us by the Catholic Church from the apostles and their associates. Catholic monks translated the ancient Greek texts into Latin originally, and then later into more common languages as time passed. In both cases (Judaism and Catholicism), "tradition" was passed on to others in writing. These writings became known as "Scripture" after they were received, inspected, and studied meticulously by leaned scribes, priests, rabbis, and teachers. What becomes obvious from even a cursory study of biblical history is that neither Judaism or Christianity are "American religions." The events in the Bible took place long before America ever existed in another part of the world. 😊😊😊😊
This is a fascinating interview! You were just discussing how Mormonism has specific doctrine explaining how Joseph Smtih didn’t just want to be the leader of the religion, but also wanted to take over the United States of America.
Today’s Christian Nationalists want to do the same thing.
I would love for you to interview former Christian Nationalists who has deconstructed.
Joseph Smith sounds a lot like Muhammad. Them being the last prophets and the angels revealing the holy books to them and that all other religions are false and corrupt. Both had little education. They both married under age girls and had multiple wives. Wow!
Yep they are alot alike
I know this is an older video so you may not see this comment. I’m half way through this video and tomorrow when the LDS missionaries sisters come and have our lesson, I will be letting them kindly know I will not ever been joining the LDS church and will not be baptised into the faith.
I knew some old history about the church, but nothing like this, I’ll be checking out the D&C’s mentioned and looking for myself more into what’s behind the faith from the beginning of the church.
This is by far one of the most informative videos I’ve seen.
Good for you for doing the research!
Hi I'm a fan of you both ❤️ thank you so much for sharing this information. 🤗 The only thing I wanted to say is Cara was explaining how in the Mormon cult you actually need a testimony of Joseph smith vs. the book of Mormon.... She said the BOM is what makes the Mormons different than from other Christians. I know she probably didn't catch it or meant it. But Mormons are not Christians. They are a counterfeit and cult. That's all. Please keep up all the good work! I love you two! ❤️ I pray that you guys have a blessed trips full of wonderful memories!
I LOVE YOU WINTER!❤
Eh, I hear people say this all the time, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints aren't 'Christian.' It's way more complicated than that. Only christ can say who is a believer in their heart, not anti mormons
@@janabanana8227 This isn't about anti Mormons or Mormons. Mormons are not Christians. They totally believe in a different Jesus Christ than Christians. Their beliefs of foundation are totally different from Christians. Just because they have Jesus Christ in their title doesn't mean they're Christians or believe in the same Jesus Christ.