The neck stretching and wrist wringing was already badass enough so he didn't need a huge entrance. Imo Benoit from 2000 - 2004 was his prime as a badass. He still was badass after but he just wasn't booked the same and he obviously deteriorated.
A problem that took me out of AEW was how they can act like they know it's fake and are embarrassed it's fake so to prevent their humiliations they go "Hey we know it's fake so we'll perform tongue in cheek with the fakeness." It's frustrating. Movies are fake, stage shows are fake, etc. but we enjoy and get sucked into them all the same if they're done well. Same with wrestling. What also annoys me is it bleeds over to the one's who are trying to put on believable performances. AEW has become WWE-lite sports entertainment... or "Cirque du Soleil on steroids" or whatever they referred to it as. Everything I was lead to believe they would be is almost all gone. I was so excited back in the first few months but the excitement slowly drained away as I realized what was happening.
Yes! All the nudge-nudge-wink-wink stuff in AEW makes it unwatchable. It's jarringly disjointed from segment to segment, like they can't decide whether they're making a serious wrestling show or an SNL parody of a wrestling show. I guess they figure it's better to hide behind goofiness and comic self-awareness than to take themselves seriously and risk being exposed as talentless hacks.
true, it's because they're not confident in themselves to take themselves seriously as wrestlers nor should they be, so they act like they don't care and it's all a joke, if they had what was required be it the look or charisma they wouldn't be acting like this. It's a defence mechanism imo. Same thing with Matt hardy.
@@giuliano7959 Reminds me of the school days when you'd goof off during gym if you weren't good at a particular sport or act like you don't care when you didn't do well on a test. Avoid the potential mocking/pity by acting like you didn't care so didn't put any real effort in.
Honestly I think this is how a lot of us feel or felt. We wanted it to be different but in a good way. We wanted it to succeed. We believed in the vision when it was still new. And we got Jack All!
@@matthewsmith3193 fukin' hate superplex going to the falcon arrow only for a two count, that bastard clown Seth Rollins is a major killer of the superplex
So basically despite the fans knowing everything about the business, despite all the shoots you can find on the internet, despite many of the wrestlers being on social media, when the show is on, the objective should still be the same as it always was; get people to believe in what you're doing. The wrestlers nowadays have the mentality that since everybody knows the ins and outs, they don't have to try anymore. WRONG!
vince,stephanie,and some other top members ,are known to hate traditional pro wrestling...they are more to blame than the wrestlers ...esp in the last 5or 6 yrs its been really apparent ...
The worst enemy of wrestling there is Bucky Beaver. He’s still dreaming of an action adventure sitcom with a ring that’ll win him his Emmy, his preciousth chomp chomp chomp chomp!!
@@CoolCATs2814 it's called the high spot because it's a highlight of the show. If you have 57 highspots. That means there is no high spot. Everything's the same level
It’s like how “hip hop” fans only like trap music so popular artists only pump out trap garbage versus releasing quality hip hop music. The audience dictates the product.
The ‘MARKS’ are no longer Online, they now Reside in the Wrestling Ring ... So of course they are not Convincing as Pro Wrestlers because most of them are CosPlaying ... 🕳
There really should be catch weight and height for a wrestler, this is the reason vanilla midgets popped out like crazy after Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero
@@rdu239 i don't even think it was that. I think backyard wrestling is the big reason you see the trash today. They're more into stunts than wrestling.
And that's why wrestling has lost viewers. It has zip to do with Vince telling us wrestling was fake. The fall guys exposed wrestling in the thirties. Suspension of disbelief was key to being a wrestler. You were gold if you could make the people who knew wrestling was fake believe. Go ahead and call a wrestler like Bruiser Brody fake.
@@brentondudley3925 Vince killed the business by killing off the territories, pushing Hogan as the end all,be all of the business & oh yeah scripting promos. I mean, Arn & Ole Anderson came across as believable with their promos because they showed PASSION in their promos whereas today NONE of today's talent regardless of the promotion come across as believable & passionate about what they're saying in their promos.
@@brentondudley3925 Exactly why everybody loves listening to Austin's promos in 1996 and 1997. You believed that shit in a way you believed any actor in a good Hollywood film.
@@brentondudley3925 Vince did other things to contribute to the murder, but yes, the biggest knife comes from seeing people that don't look like they could whip anyone in a fight.
When fans turned against The Rock at WM18, he and Hogan went with it and created a classic. A great example of how the stars of years past may not have been as athletically impressive but they could work in a way that most can't anymore.
I agree with Cornette. Very, very few (in all of the promotions today, in the U.S.) can act enough to be totally believable. Just like they don't know how to do decent, believable promos.
@Ze TheGame who are you trying to convince, me or you? Hahaha.........Just kidding around.........I'm well aware that he could easily beat me up if he wanted to (the real man, not just his character). Heck, even when I was actually "in shape" 30+ years ago, he could, as I have never been an athlete.........However, that doesn't change the fact that he is one of those people that I find it hard to "believe", whether heel or face. And his promo skills suck. Probably why (like Lesner before him), got put with Heyman. Paul has never been an athlete. But he has always known how to cut a promo. Heck, his short time as "manager" to the Samoan Swat Team during 1989, Paul Heyman cut better promos than what Reigns does. (Yes, bringing it all back to Reigns' family, was on purpose. Hahaha)
Look at drew McIntyre. Big Jacked dude and has been hot all year..but he cuts the most boring, cookie cutter promos. It's unwatchable when he gets on the mic
How could one expect the average promo to be any good when these men and women take inspiration from video games and cartoons? I like that stuff too but wrestling was it's own medium for so long without it successfully
Sort of a catch 22. Attitude Era guys were actual tough guys. They were wrestlers. BUT....creative back then catered to the outcasts and nerds who then became today’s wrestlers.
The hardest thing about today's promos is that they are all bad actors and sound totally unnatural in the speech patterns and the words they use. Who the hell in real life in an argument or back and forth says "That being said (5 second pause as they look at the floor, then slowly move their head to face the other person)............................."?
That’s why I could never take Gangrel seriously...I had played V:TM in high school in the mid 90s, and he lifted the name straight from one of the game.
@@rdu239 What does that matter..? He’s a big fucking dude that made you think he would do unspeakable things to win the belt. Way more believable than anyone going today
It’s pretty true. Took my father in law who never watched wrestling in his life. The low card guys like Zach Ryder it clearly looked like a show. It felt like the Disney Indiana jones show. When we got to Aj styles and Seth Rollins it was a completely different level.
I miss actual wrestling moves, working parts of the body, wearing down your opponent and then seeing the big comeback. Then seeing baby faces go over. Or, heels go over after doing something dastardly. But, ALWAYS using their finishing moves that actual “finishes” the match. That’s what’s lost on today’s wrestling. Everything is scripted. Everything is the same high flying moves. Finishing moves don’t ever finish matches anymore. It’s just so bland and repetitive that it’s unwatchable
The worst to me is that everyone kick out of every finishing move. It simpky devalues everything. Devalues the finishing move, devalues the wrestler who did it, devalues the wrestling in general. I'm not saying nobody should ever kick out, just it should not be that common. Ffs the kick out even on weekly shows! How can i buy it as a dangerous move this way?
I keep thinking about the first half of this when I think of the Cody vs Ogogo match, there was a full story to be made around the kick out of the punch, Cody spends the rest of the match suffering, maybe folds while giving a suplex, in the end starts working on the right arm, finished ogogo with an arm submission, but keeps it in after he’s tapped, Ogogo is then injured for a while, loses power in his punch, and means people kicking out can be more believable. Even if it’s dumb that a single punch leads people to convulsions while Spanish flys and Canadian destroyers 20 minutes into a match are a 2 count
Apparently, nowadays, a finisher that's spammed 3+ times equals a "This (match) is awesome" chant and a 757996 Meltervarez star rating, but it NEEDS to be in the TokyoDome and must include either a Buck or Kenny or an Orange.
I think it's probably more of a case "their craft" being something rather different than what old school wrestlers and fans thought of as pro wrestling. As Jim says in this clip, many indie talents play to their audience who want to see what they do, and many of whom frankly probably wouldn't like old school wrestling all that much. It's apples and oranges.
I just can't get enough of Jim Cornette talking about his time in Mid South. I could listen to those stories forever. (Thinking about you "Beautiful" Bobby. RIP)
Sent a related e-mail months ago. It’s basically a conveyor belt spewing out robots. As if they found some formula and make every wrestler follow it exactly. Every once in awhile I try to watch and I can’t make it through a few minutes. Too staged. No improvisation. I can’t pinpoint when exactly it got this bad. Probably just gradually over the last 10 years.
This video has it all - Travis nailing the thumbnail, Corny having valid points about modern wrestling, Corny being the most ok of boomers about modern wrestling fans, Corny being a wonderful oral historian, and of course Corny and Bryan having the most tortured segue to their sponsors
Love him or hate him, Brock is the best at selling, And making his feuds more believable than anyone else's. He hardly even has ring time, Or even talks. But when he does both, Hes definitely one of the all time best.
The thing with brock is that in the ring he is either one of the best or one of the most lazy ever. Depends only on him. I really enjoyed him as a kid, he was one of the reasons i even thought wrestling was actually real. He felt like a legitimate monster who could break every single bone of yours. The things he could do felt unreal. Then he went to ufc and he fucking proved that he is a beast. I started watching mma thanks to him. His problem is his laziness and the fact that he doesn't care anymore, he already accomplished all he could why would he care
@@charliecharles2571 agreed he just shows up and does whatever vince wants him. I don't see a passion with Brock like you'd see with a Chris Jericho or Rock. Good wrestler though I'd watch lazy Brock over most of the talent now lol
@@KeroZ25Z he doesn't sell? Go watch his matches with daniel bryan and aj styles. Or the one with finn balor. Go watch those match and tell me that you dont believe they're gonna win even if you already know the result
The audience is a big problem. Corny nailed it. You can blame the audience for the lack of selling and the proliferation of dives. Hopefully Corny will address the JR/AEW controversy which is a prime example of what he's talking about. (My video on the JR statement will be up on Monday 12/14)
Brock Lesnar was and will always be WWE's most legit athlete. He would've absolutely dominated if he never left the first time and since he left and won the UFC championship, Brock Lesnar was in a rare position in WWE. He could've told Vince to kiss his ass and sing to him and he would have. Brock Lesnar couldn't lose. He had no reason to lose in the wwe. No one matched or matches his athleticism and his in ring presence. You'll never see another Brock Lesnar walk into the wrestling business ever again.
Majority of marks Jim talk about are now hosting podcasts and blogging shows online. Bill Watts definitely doesn't get the credit he should for establishing the careers of so many wrestlers such as JYD, Rick Steiner, Jim Cornette etc.
"prepackaged, choreograph drama", Cornette nailed it for me. After years of not watching rasslin for years I watched a match from Georgia Championship Wrestling where Mr. Wrestling No.2 used hip tosses and headlock take downs on a jobber and I totally appreciated it.
You gotta be careful though. It has be high quality. If it's some boo boo with too much cut in it, your jaw will clinch and you won't be able to cut a promo for shit.
Haha buck hogan, blading buck looking like his idol each time and twinkle toes Mcfingerbang loving this artwork, the Bucks acting tough is all kinds of gold instead of just being douches
Super TRUE! Specially ZSJ, the guy's face is just blank whatever he does (his technical prowess can't be denied though) A lot of new performers don't know how to sell.. Like when they get DDTd, they don't even touch their head to make it look like the move hurts or when someone gets superkicked, no body bothers on holding their chin.. Or when they get suplexed, they don't bother on touching their back...
Zsj is just a horrible example tho. He's one of the best wrestlers rn. The guy's promos are entertaining,he is amazing in the ring.what more could you ask from a wrestler
One of the big problems is that nobody conmits to a gimmick or persona anymore. They're "actors" who play different roles depending on where they are working. There're honorable exceptions (Bray Wyatt, Roman Reigns, Cody Rhodes, Jon Moxley, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair, Alexa Bliss, Rosemary, Eric Yung...) who commit wholeheartedly to the character they're supposed to portray. Those people more often than not react the way they are supposed to react. Then you have a lot of people with no personality of their own and no real character traits either because they are used to just do moves for the sake of doing them, overreacting and doing bad comedy of extreme violence to elicit a reaction from the 500 people who see them at the high school gym or the bingo hall or even worse, for the 40-50 people that see them "perform" in their backyard. The crisis of the NWA and its downfall in the early 90s was the origin, especially WCW and ECW splitting from it in 93 and 94. ECW created a subculture, WCW and WWF kinda followed up and when there was no more WCW and no more ECW something had to replace them, and the independent scene began to grow. When WWE had to go PG the underground indy culture took over.
There’s a difference between flexing and some of these poses though and I think that’s what Brian meant. I’ll use one that irks me, Leon Ruff. He jumps up and wraps his legs around top rope and lays out like something the Bella’s or Peyton Royce would do. (Seriously, if you don’t watch NXT google his ring entrance) It DOES look like a dance pose. They need to stick to doing things that make them look like fighters.
@@bettyframe8044 HHH does one of my favorite poses: the crusifix bodybuilding pose, i actually stole it for my wrestling career because i have a decent physique (especially by todays standards, everyone is skinny fat or just scrawny)
There is something to be said about the old school style of wrestling both in ring and promos. It wasn't always pretty. People stumbled (in ring and on promos) but if you think about it that actually adds to the realism. In real life fights aren't beautifully choreographed. In real life you don't always have articulate, perfectly thought out conversations. The more I think about it I actually enjoy it
Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes did the most legendary promos on complete freestyle mode lol. Spilled liquor, the gator shoes, etc. You should not have to tell anyone what to say let the guy run with his gimmick and natural charisma and let him get it over. If he cant then he wont and that's that
@mike long, don't forget about Arn, back in the day of the 4H, Arn & Ole had the ability to make the fans buy into & believe what they were saying in order to get the fans to buy ppvs, tickets to house shows & etc whereas today, wether it's WWE,AEW, OR Impact, they don't have ANYONE who can talk the fans into the arenas like Dusty or Arn could.
We went from the Benoit Guerrero era to the John Cena era. Benoit and Guerrero combination of Charisma and strict auras influenced those locker rooms back in the mid 2000s when I grew up watching wrestling. Everybody in the locker room with them wanted to be like them and have that same intensity (in wrestling of course). Then you have John Cena as who I know went through OVW and Jim found a great talent there but we can't lie to ourselves and saying that he has the same intensity as the stars I just mentioned. Cena comes across very hoaky sometimes. He then gets pushed as a top guy and the others performers in the back in a way now have him as their role model and locker room leader. So now you have this generation of superstars looking up to the likes of a John Cena who has a great promo in him but comes across hoaky from time to time and today's generation unfortunately would have learnt those kind of traits along the way hence why we have went from serious, Charismatic hard working performers that cared for the craft to a more not care for that kind of style approach which is shame. What Benoit done outside of the ring was unforgivable but I feel every Wrestling company, especially AEW can do with an authorative figure like Benoit in their locker room to give them a kick in the ass and a reality check.
No one sells the lomg term impact of a Finishers anymore, just appear next week like you didn't just get put through a table. Lana should be table proof now, in fact it should be her gimmick, like she no sells table spots and just laughs.
It's really a shame that AEW doesn't listen to Jim... imagine what they could do if they would follow Jim and have the talent they have.... The next level for pro wrestling is combining the old mentality with the new flippy shit....
They don't listen to Jim Ross either you know what they say he's out of touch and these old guys love to complain I say to myself today is wrestling sucks and you know what these guys say what work 30 or 40 years ago won't work today that's because you guys don't know how to f****** work
What gets me is that NXT just stopped trying to compete. I know the pandemic has hurt business, but the show lost whatever creativity it had, and the screens and piped in crowd, with the small live crowd makes for a schizophrenic experience. Also, losing Marco Ranallo hurt the announcing.
The entrance posing drives me crazy. Especially now with these idiots posing in empty rooms. Immediately kills it for me, I can't watch the modern crap.
i hate it as well esp the womens divison..acting if they are a big deal ,but not being able to do basic moves....just hate how they are presented as they are best thing ,when they suck in the ring ...
@@jackstraw4222 unless its a few in Japan I can't stand womens wrestling and I REALLY hate the overwhelming torture of too much of it on todays shows and these women referees sucks ass too..
I got a parasitic isopod from Omaha steak when they used to sell fish. The doctor tried to lure it out but had to be put under. Was nearly 6 inches n looked like a giant skinny louse sorta. Getting interviewed at the hospital by the news was cool even if they didnt run it.
I wonder if they'll get Roman or someone to take out someone like the Rock or even Stone Cold, pardon the random comment but there isn't anywhere better to post things like this on the Internet
Wrestling now days is more like a talk show. Wrestlers going back and forth with each other with lousy scripts. But it's funny to watching them when they screwup a wrestling move. And the other wrestler will do his/her best to try to cover for the other wrestler mistake.
Problem now is everyone in every match thinks they're Austin vs Rock at X7 or XIX but look like, wrestle like, and have sold the tickets/merch of Gillberg vs Jumpin Jeff Farmer.
The problem i see is the backstage skits and the 1 on 1 promos in the ring. Mainly in NXT they never convince me that they mean what they are saying on the mic! Or backstage when in reality nobody act's like that. Don't let me know you are playing a character. Lol
I've been saying it for years now. The skits MUST STOP. They are horrible, poorly written, inorganic and overproduced. It is a lasting remnant of the attitude era that should be done away with completely in all of pro wrestling. Not just WWE.
Just instagram models calling themselves wrestlers these days it's absolute garbage has been for years, remember ken shamrock Dan Severn Steve blackman? Midcarders u could believe and with great themes! Thats what wrestling is about
My biggest peeve besides the lack of actual wrestling. Is the backstage middle school valley girl bs . The interviewers ask questions of men and women questions that a middles schooler would ask a friend to get them angry. There is no level of maturity to it... I can’t believe I just said that. Adult to a degree doesn’t mean dirty either because I want kids to actually watch it as I did. I know it doesn’t all have to be so serious but perhaps a little better than it is.
Wrestlers today don't look like they're in a fight I grew up on Crokett. I never thought it was "real" but I could lose myself watching simulated violence I don't want M.M.A. but I want to lose my disbelief What if in the middle of Terminator the movie just said this is all stunts and Arnold isn't really a robot it would suck
Ppl get mad at him but for the love of god he is telling the truth the difference between wrestling then and now is the acting for Christ sake we have pat mcafee cutting better promos than the last 15 years vets that’s sad!
The stupid staginess and pre-scrifted promos is still no excuse for the community theatre/renaissance fair-level acting. Pretending to be hurt really isn't difficult.
People have parts these days and are not just them self turned up to 11. And people have to weirdly be there gimmick not just have one an be a person. There was more to Tracy Smothers then being southern but he gave you that face of him turned up to 11.
I miss blading in WWE. I also think its so dumb how they can only hit their opponents with a chair in the back. Anytime they swing for the head, you know a reversal is coming. Why can't they bring blade jobs back and get special made chairs that are made out of a super lightweight metal that has a good sound to it when hitting someone? That way they can go back to doing chair shots to the head, concussion free, and make matches look believable again.
You do realize that head trauma can be caused by things OTHER than metal, right? This is just asinine. Keep head trauma away from literally every form of entertainment.
I don't watch much anymore, but I'm betting the reason wrestlers doing poses is a source of annoyance is because these gestures aren't in line with what they're trying to portray. Either that, or the wrestlers are just so unconvincing these days.
Would've loved a story where Chad Gable is against Kurt Angle, they fued then unite and kurt passes down the Olympic slam to Chad. Brock mocks Angle and Chad stands up to Brock, yet angle know he is not Ready. Then he faces Brock to prove to Kurt that he is ready, but fails..goes away trains, learns more and puts on some more muscle. Then Returns to face the beast, this time he wins.... And a Real star is born. Then he and Jason Jordan Begin their own Rivalry. Oops 🤦🏾♂️...it was sounding good.
If there were any wrestlers I've watched, who could make believe them it would be John Cena, Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Chris Benoit, Undertaker, Triple H, and Eddie Guerrero.
i dont agree,because this has been going on since early 2000s when cena was rising to the top....to many wrestlers cant work realistically ,to many small guys with zero charisma...and thats only the start....
Sami Callihan is the only believable guy. He cuts great promos and it works well with his in-ring scumbag gimmick. Even Jim praised him for staying in character and tweeting that he'd do it again in a heartbeat after the baseball bat incident, while every other wrestler was begging him to apologise for it.
That was awesome yea they all were pissed bout that saying he should apologise he was just like oh well finally a heel getting damn heat that you wanted Eddie Edwards to get this asshole those over the top sensitive people wouldn’t be able to handle the likes of Bruiser Brody the guy went out in the crowd starting fights the crowd was panicking swinging that chain
These Indy guys only know how to do moves in the ring. They don’t learn how to be a professional wrestlers. No psychology, no selling, no promos, no stage presence. Other than Ex WWE guys does AEW have 1 legit superstar? One that can be in movies, host award/TV shows, or give good interviews for crossover audiences (Sportscenter, GMA)?
@@TheMagnificentMongoSlade I stand corrected. MJF is a future superstar for sure. But there should be more in AEW. Jungle Boy, Hangman, Sammy and Scorpio Sky have promise too. I just hope they are being developed off screen cuz AEW is dropping the ball with all of them right now.
@@mrvxg4820 Jungle Boy was a pet project for them and they abandoned him. I could say the same for Scorpio Sky but he's 40 and not really a young guy and what they've done to Hangman is criminal
Tell me the AEW guys are in there practicing and going ALL WEEK! How can they not be doing this?!?!?!? I was barely trained.....sooooo I'd be jumping in there as "practice working" al week leading up to the TV.
People really need to separate WWE from a wrestling show. It would make way more sense if you do that. WWE Raw and Smackdown are TV SHOWS. They're sold as tv shows, and celebrated as TV shows, hence the "new season" nonsense. "Longest episodic tv show ever!" Once you can separate the two, one should be able to see what to do to make a Wrestling Show, instead of recreating the TV show.
A lot of these guys need to look at Brock Lesnar or or RVD or Jeff Hardy, guys who are very good at selling. RVD used to _sell his own move_ when he did the 5-Star Frog Splash like he'd been kicked in the gut by a horse so it made the move look even more devastating. Jeff Hardy would get the shit kicked out of him on a PPV and the next night he'd come out limping and looking like he'd been in a war. Lesnar, for a guy as big as he is, is very convincing in making you think he's hurt. A lot of these smarks-turned-wrestlers can't do that or they don't want to because they're too busy going from Spot A to Spot B to Spot C with no rest or breaks in between and virtually no selling.
I agree let's use Enzo as example of sticking out like a sore thumb because he could work the mic 🎤... the Industry as a whole is very weak indeed at the promo but I blame it on , EVERYONE feeling the need to be on the mic , instead of the much needed inserted promo
thats the main reason why i stopped watching wrestling was because of the acting. it just wasnt belieavable anymore and i know at its core its fake but for fuck sakes if your gonna lie to me...DO IT PROPERLY!! bring back attitude era FFS lol
One thing I'd add. It seems that many of the guys and gals who have had success in the business don't stick around like the old timers used to, to help bring up the next generation.
I got an idea. Let's switch it. Give the men no more than 2 mins of in-ring time. The bell rings, the ref says "go home". The women get their more than 10 minutes time. I don't give a fuck anymore. Fuck it! I just want to see Shayna
No one puts over their Finishers, Finishers don't finish anything. Promos are just very generic. No time given make sure a storyline makes sense to/for the consumer to keep watching.
For me personally, Kenny Omega isn't AWFUL: he is very bad on the mic and needs a manager, but he isn't the stinking shits, in my opinion. What pisses me off are the people who regurgitate opinions from Meltzer and reddit who call this guy "the best wrestler in the world ever", which he clearly isn't on any metric: talking, drawing money, physical prowess, size, physique, match quality (which is albeit more subjective), and overall presentation. There are SO many people who trounce Kenny in any one, or multiple, of those above metrics.
Man I enjoy listening to smart people complain about what’s wrong with wrestling more than watching wrestling.
It's nice to hear non-marks who actually knew the business back to front keep the real spirit of professional wrestling alive.
Facts
Bahahahhahahahaha so true
Same. It’s hard to argue with his takes. And it’s entertaining!
I don’t think we can call “wrestling” today actual wrestling - some guys can wrestle but most just want to do moves.
Chris Benoits entrance was super convincing..no poses on the ramp, ropes or anything
when his music hit u knew some one was getting f'd up
@@blueweegie6541 his wife and kid got fucked up
Just a classic entrance.
That reminds me of his entrance on Smackdown when he was crying because of Eddie's death. So sad.
The neck stretching and wrist wringing was already badass enough so he didn't need a huge entrance. Imo Benoit from 2000 - 2004 was his prime as a badass. He still was badass after but he just wasn't booked the same and he obviously deteriorated.
A problem that took me out of AEW was how they can act like they know it's fake and are embarrassed it's fake so to prevent their humiliations they go "Hey we know it's fake so we'll perform tongue in cheek with the fakeness."
It's frustrating. Movies are fake, stage shows are fake, etc. but we enjoy and get sucked into them all the same if they're done well. Same with wrestling.
What also annoys me is it bleeds over to the one's who are trying to put on believable performances.
AEW has become WWE-lite sports entertainment... or "Cirque du Soleil on steroids" or whatever they referred to it as. Everything I was lead to believe they would be is almost all gone.
I was so excited back in the first few months but the excitement slowly drained away as I realized what was happening.
Yes! All the nudge-nudge-wink-wink stuff in AEW makes it unwatchable. It's jarringly disjointed from segment to segment, like they can't decide whether they're making a serious wrestling show or an SNL parody of a wrestling show. I guess they figure it's better to hide behind goofiness and comic self-awareness than to take themselves seriously and risk being exposed as talentless hacks.
true, it's because they're not confident in themselves to take themselves seriously as wrestlers nor should they be, so they act like they don't care and it's all a joke, if they had what was required be it the look or charisma they wouldn't be acting like this. It's a defence mechanism imo. Same thing with Matt hardy.
@@giuliano7959 Reminds me of the school days when you'd goof off during gym if you weren't good at a particular sport or act like you don't care when you didn't do well on a test.
Avoid the potential mocking/pity by acting like you didn't care so didn't put any real effort in.
Honestly I think this is how a lot of us feel or felt. We wanted it to be different but in a good way. We wanted it to succeed. We believed in the vision when it was still new. And we got Jack All!
Reasons you don’t let the inmates run the asylum.
Around 4:33 I had an ad, so the sequence went "they're all working with...
...crispy, fluffy, home style Eggo waffles."
DELICIOUS~!
Papa shango, where the hoes @?! Lol
@@nohatersallowd5709 with my Godfather
@@nyg804 lmao
Book it, Tony. Twinkletoes Mc☝️💥 vs an Eggo waffle.
Ughh the deliberate waiting to catch the diving wrestler, is just cringe, at least do it more discretely
Modern wrestlers have killed the double clothesline spot for me. There’s no impact, just perfectly time and obviously choreographed cooperation.
It bothers me so much lol
Also RIP superplex
It’s fucking stupid how they keep doing it as well and don’t even try n make it look real
@@matthewsmith3193 fukin' hate superplex going to the falcon arrow only for a two count, that bastard clown Seth Rollins is a major killer of the superplex
So basically despite the fans knowing everything about the business, despite all the shoots you can find on the internet, despite many of the wrestlers being on social media, when the show is on, the objective should still be the same as it always was; get people to believe in what you're doing. The wrestlers nowadays have the mentality that since everybody knows the ins and outs, they don't have to try anymore. WRONG!
I think you explained it perfectly! WOW!
You are so right.
vince,stephanie,and some other top members ,are known to hate traditional pro wrestling...they are more to blame than the wrestlers ...esp in the last 5or 6 yrs its been really apparent ...
Then they should watch the real wrestling instead
Seems about right
The worst enemy of wrestling there is Bucky Beaver. He’s still dreaming of an action adventure sitcom with a ring that’ll win him his Emmy, his preciousth chomp chomp chomp chomp!!
I cant remember the last time I saw a simple hip toss .
It's a lost art. Arm drags. Body Slams. Atomic drops. If they did more of these things, the matches would be better to watch.
@@CoolCATs2814 hell just even a head lock
@@CoolCATs2814 it's called the high spot because it's a highlight of the show. If you have 57 highspots. That means there is no high spot. Everything's the same level
@@CoolCATs2814 I was actually a carny for 10 years. So I understand the lingo LOL
@@CoolCATs2814 Dam right. Ricky Steamboat had more talent in 1 finger than alot of the talent today have in their whole bodies.
It’s like how “hip hop” fans only like trap music so popular artists only pump out trap garbage versus releasing quality hip hop music. The audience dictates the product.
That's a pretty good comparison.
I get ya. If they stopped applauding what aew and wwe is doing, maybe we would get more legit looking product. But hey, "sheep will be sheep" 🤷🏽♂️
Hip hop died when Eminem gained fame and supposedly one of the greatest with Kanye west auto tune crap
@@karikarisworld2693 hip hop died after 2006
@@HCIbn stop smoking that crack mate some of the best hip hop albums of all time came out in the past decade
somebody said Steroids and cocain need to be inducted in to the hall of fame..
Imagine that induction speech. Macho man doing the DESTRRRUUUUUUCITYYYYYY warrior promo springs to mind. OOHHH YEAHHHHH.
Soma, percocet, and Jack Daniel's
Lmao
The ‘MARKS’ are no longer Online, they now Reside in the Wrestling Ring ...
So of course they are not Convincing as Pro Wrestlers because most of them are CosPlaying ... 🕳
The next wrestling convention should just be called Smarkicon
There really should be catch weight and height for a wrestler, this is the reason vanilla midgets popped out like crazy after Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero
@@rdu239 i don't even think it was that. I think backyard wrestling is the big reason you see the trash today. They're more into stunts than wrestling.
This comment needs to remain on top so everyone can read this. Just straight facts.
@@nerdrage557 should be called aewcon
The pose mid-entrance only makes sense for cocky heels who are trying to force the audience to love him.
@J yeah that statement didn’t make sense wrestling always been about poses
Ric Flair in the 80’s would do lots of cocaine and alcohol and his promos were awesome. Lol
Yes coke fueled many a great promo. Ultimate Warrior decided on using cough medicine in elephant sized doses.
Savage’s were the best and he was coked out of his fucking mind.
@V B 2002 onwards, it was all pain meds, no coke, by that point, for Shawn.
@@thelastmotel 2002 he came back sober having found god.
@@dustonlindeman5245 warrior was robo tripping ??? 😭
One of my favorite and finest Piper promo moment,to ole anderson"i don't wanna mess with ya, you're strong as an ox and almost as smart.Timeless!!!!
One word- COMPLACENT; they already think they’ve made it.
There are no longer character-based wrestlers. Its hard to act when you are just like any other wrestler.
@Greg Bailey to be fair i remember that being said in the early 2000s as well,but i wasn't nowhere near as bad as what it is now....
The AEW Roster has Left the Chat ... 💭
Where is zack Ryder?
@@SAM-ru4vx I believe he had a 10 day contract or something short like that to appear on TV and he's done lol
@@NerdieTurtle touring the country looking for AEW toys at walmart?
Samefaces have just left the chat 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
AEW fans have taken their leave.
No one watching believes the guy in the ring could beat them up or is actually tough.
And that's why wrestling has lost viewers. It has zip to do with Vince telling us wrestling was fake. The fall guys exposed wrestling in the thirties. Suspension of disbelief was key to being a wrestler. You were gold if you could make the people who knew wrestling was fake believe. Go ahead and call a wrestler like Bruiser Brody fake.
@@brentondudley3925 Vince killed the business by killing off the territories, pushing Hogan as the end all,be all of the business & oh yeah scripting promos. I mean, Arn & Ole Anderson came across as believable with their promos because they showed PASSION in their promos whereas today NONE of today's talent regardless of the promotion come across as believable & passionate about what they're saying in their promos.
@@brentondudley3925 Exactly why everybody loves listening to Austin's promos in 1996 and 1997. You believed that shit in a way you believed any actor in a good Hollywood film.
@@brentondudley3925 Vince did other things to contribute to the murder, but yes, the biggest knife comes from seeing people that don't look like they could whip anyone in a fight.
@Andre Bryant Eh, Hogan was past his prime by then anyway. HBK never came off as much of a tough guy.
When fans turned against The Rock at WM18, he and Hogan went with it and created a classic. A great example of how the stars of years past may not have been as athletically impressive but they could work in a way that most can't anymore.
I agree with Cornette. Very, very few (in all of the promotions today, in the U.S.) can act enough to be totally believable. Just like they don't know how to do decent, believable promos.
@Ze TheGame who are you trying to convince, me or you? Hahaha.........Just kidding around.........I'm well aware that he could easily beat me up if he wanted to (the real man, not just his character). Heck, even when I was actually "in shape" 30+ years ago, he could, as I have never been an athlete.........However, that doesn't change the fact that he is one of those people that I find it hard to "believe", whether heel or face. And his promo skills suck. Probably why (like Lesner before him), got put with Heyman. Paul has never been an athlete. But he has always known how to cut a promo. Heck, his short time as "manager" to the Samoan Swat Team during 1989, Paul Heyman cut better promos than what Reigns does. (Yes, bringing it all back to Reigns' family, was on purpose. Hahaha)
Look at drew McIntyre. Big Jacked dude and has been hot all year..but he cuts the most boring, cookie cutter promos. It's unwatchable when he gets on the mic
@@-JAVY- to be fair, drew might be able to cut some great promos if it wasn’t for those trash, scripted promos he’s given
@@EliC09 that's exactly what I mean. That p.g format promo sucks
@@-JAVY- Honestly Drew cuts some of the most believable and best promos but WWE PG holds it back and those scripts ain't working
How could one expect the average promo to be any good when these men and women take inspiration from video games and cartoons? I like that stuff too but wrestling was it's own medium for so long without it successfully
Sort of a catch 22. Attitude Era guys were actual tough guys. They were wrestlers. BUT....creative back then catered to the outcasts and nerds who then became today’s wrestlers.
True. And I think the P.G format is killing the talents promos. They r so cookie cutter
@V B and everybody had a defined character cause you could see where on the card everyone was and where they were going.
The hardest thing about today's promos is that they are all bad actors and sound totally unnatural in the speech patterns and the words they use. Who the hell in real life in an argument or back and forth says "That being said (5 second pause as they look at the floor, then slowly move their head to face the other person)............................."?
That’s why I could never take Gangrel seriously...I had played V:TM in high school in the mid 90s, and he lifted the name straight from one of the game.
The fights in Gymkata are more believable than anything WWE or AEW is doing.
OMG I rented that movie one night
You’re right about there melees being way more convincing 😆
OUCH!
Boom!!!! 🤣😂💥☠️
Facts!
Are you telling me that rural 19th century Euro villages don't all have pommel horses in the town square?
Technical and submission wrestlers are the best. It's the standard type a promoter can count on when sticking to the profession's roots
I loved when triple h would go red in the face and shake with rage while doing a promo
He is also a bullshit artist if you dont know, just hear the corporate blabber he says during media interviews.
@@rdu239 Those AEW clowns are full of just as much shit as Triple H, but they don't know how to sell it like he does.
Really? Triple H sucks you dumb mark.
@@rdu239 What does that matter..? He’s a big fucking dude that made you think he would do unspeakable things to win the belt. Way more believable than anyone going today
@@shawnmcconnell3851 Who is good? Please inform us pal
Ever seen Dazed and Confused? Omega and the Bucks look like they need a good paddling.
Soul Pole
Travis' graphic is brilliant...."Alas poor Hogan! I knew him..."
It’s pretty true. Took my father in law who never watched wrestling in his life. The low card guys like Zach Ryder it clearly looked like a show. It felt like the Disney Indiana jones show. When we got to Aj styles and Seth Rollins it was a completely different level.
I miss actual wrestling moves, working parts of the body, wearing down your opponent and then seeing the big comeback. Then seeing baby faces go over. Or, heels go over after doing something dastardly. But, ALWAYS using their finishing moves that actual “finishes” the match. That’s what’s lost on today’s wrestling. Everything is scripted. Everything is the same high flying moves. Finishing moves don’t ever finish matches anymore. It’s just so bland and repetitive that it’s unwatchable
The worst to me is that everyone kick out of every finishing move. It simpky devalues everything. Devalues the finishing move, devalues the wrestler who did it, devalues the wrestling in general. I'm not saying nobody should ever kick out, just it should not be that common. Ffs the kick out even on weekly shows! How can i buy it as a dangerous move this way?
I keep thinking about the first half of this when I think of the Cody vs Ogogo match, there was a full story to be made around the kick out of the punch, Cody spends the rest of the match suffering, maybe folds while giving a suplex, in the end starts working on the right arm, finished ogogo with an arm submission, but keeps it in after he’s tapped, Ogogo is then injured for a while, loses power in his punch, and means people kicking out can be more believable. Even if it’s dumb that a single punch leads people to convulsions while Spanish flys and Canadian destroyers 20 minutes into a match are a 2 count
Apparently, nowadays, a finisher that's spammed 3+ times equals a "This (match) is awesome" chant and a 757996 Meltervarez star rating, but it NEEDS to be in the TokyoDome and must include either a Buck or Kenny or an Orange.
The #1 problem is that the wrestlers themselves don't respect their own craft. For all they know they're doing everything perfectly.
They're just in it for a pay day
That’s why the young bucks have been doing this since they were 14 ya they must not give a shit about this business
I think it's probably more of a case "their craft" being something rather different than what old school wrestlers and fans thought of as pro wrestling. As Jim says in this clip, many indie talents play to their audience who want to see what they do, and many of whom frankly probably wouldn't like old school wrestling all that much.
It's apples and oranges.
I want to watch wrestlers, not friggin gymnasts
@@switch3595 bruh you can masturbate since 14 doesn’t mean you know how to fuck. And that is a perfect analogy for the young bucks
I just can't get enough of Jim Cornette talking about his time in Mid South. I could listen to those stories forever. (Thinking about you "Beautiful" Bobby. RIP)
Sent a related e-mail months ago. It’s basically a conveyor belt spewing out robots. As if they found some formula and make every wrestler follow it exactly. Every once in awhile I try to watch and I can’t make it through a few minutes. Too staged. No improvisation. I can’t pinpoint when exactly it got this bad. Probably just gradually over the last 10 years.
This video has it all - Travis nailing the thumbnail, Corny having valid points about modern wrestling, Corny being the most ok of boomers about modern wrestling fans, Corny being a wonderful oral historian, and of course Corny and Bryan having the most tortured segue to their sponsors
I agree with the headliner. Most wrestlers today lack sincerity
Love him or hate him, Brock is the best at selling, And making his feuds more believable than anyone else's. He hardly even has ring time, Or even talks. But when he does both, Hes definitely one of the all time best.
The thing with brock is that in the ring he is either one of the best or one of the most lazy ever. Depends only on him. I really enjoyed him as a kid, he was one of the reasons i even thought wrestling was actually real. He felt like a legitimate monster who could break every single bone of yours. The things he could do felt unreal. Then he went to ufc and he fucking proved that he is a beast. I started watching mma thanks to him. His problem is his laziness and the fact that he doesn't care anymore, he already accomplished all he could why would he care
@@charliecharles2571 agreed he just shows up and does whatever vince wants him. I don't see a passion with Brock like you'd see with a Chris Jericho or Rock. Good wrestler though I'd watch lazy Brock over most of the talent now lol
@@charliecharles2571 He is the Nic Cage of wrestling. His performance is either the best thing you'll see in a long time, or just terrible.
Huh? All he does is mostly F5's now. So am I missing something? He doesn't even really sell.
@@KeroZ25Z he doesn't sell? Go watch his matches with daniel bryan and aj styles. Or the one with finn balor. Go watch those match and tell me that you dont believe they're gonna win even if you already know the result
The audience is a big problem. Corny nailed it.
You can blame the audience for the lack of selling and the proliferation of dives.
Hopefully Corny will address the JR/AEW controversy which is a prime example of what he's talking about.
(My video on the JR statement will be up on Monday 12/14)
That's why Brock Lesnar was vital for wwe.
@SupremeMystique you don't know wrestling then.
Brock Lesnar was and will always be WWE's most legit athlete. He would've absolutely dominated if he never left the first time and since he left and won the UFC championship, Brock Lesnar was in a rare position in WWE. He could've told Vince to kiss his ass and sing to him and he would have. Brock Lesnar couldn't lose. He had no reason to lose in the wwe. No one matched or matches his athleticism and his in ring presence. You'll never see another Brock Lesnar walk into the wrestling business ever again.
Majority of marks Jim talk about are now hosting podcasts and blogging shows online. Bill Watts definitely doesn't get the credit he should for establishing the careers of so many wrestlers such as JYD, Rick Steiner, Jim Cornette etc.
Exactly right
Bill wasn't the greatest, but he did exemplify what made that batch of promoters great; a politically incorrect asshole cowboy.
"prepackaged, choreograph drama", Cornette nailed it for me. After years of not watching rasslin for years I watched a match from Georgia Championship Wrestling where Mr. Wrestling No.2 used hip tosses and headlock take downs on a jobber and I totally appreciated it.
Cornette knows his wrestling, I can listen to him for hours! Jim Cornette, Gorilla Monsoon, and Bobby Heenan Are My Top 3 wrestling minds!👑
The problem with coke is that it does make you come across as legit dangerous. So, it sort of helps while doing promos.
You gotta be careful though. It has be high quality. If it's some boo boo with too much cut in it, your jaw will clinch and you won't be able to cut a promo for shit.
Injecting cocaine just makes you paranoid and annoying.
Its far from bad ass.
Legends and total legends
Haha buck hogan, blading buck looking like his idol each time and twinkle toes Mcfingerbang loving this artwork, the Bucks acting tough is all kinds of gold instead of just being douches
Super TRUE! Specially ZSJ, the guy's face is just blank whatever he does (his technical prowess can't be denied though)
A lot of new performers don't know how to sell.. Like when they get DDTd, they don't even touch their head to make it look like the move hurts or when someone gets superkicked, no body bothers on holding their chin.. Or when they get suplexed, they don't bother on touching their back...
Zsj is just a horrible example tho. He's one of the best wrestlers rn. The guy's promos are entertaining,he is amazing in the ring.what more could you ask from a wrestler
@@shahsadsaadu5817 All of the "good" points that you said had nothing to do with the acting part but like I said, his in ring work is great..
In 10 years, the Canadian Destroyer would be the new superkick, and I cringe at that thought.
There's no more ring psychology
One of the big problems is that nobody conmits to a gimmick or persona anymore. They're "actors" who play different roles depending on where they are working.
There're honorable exceptions (Bray Wyatt, Roman Reigns, Cody Rhodes, Jon Moxley, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair, Alexa Bliss, Rosemary, Eric Yung...) who commit wholeheartedly to the character they're supposed to portray. Those people more often than not react the way they are supposed to react. Then you have a lot of people with no personality of their own and no real character traits either because they are used to just do moves for the sake of doing them, overreacting and doing bad comedy of extreme violence to elicit a reaction from the 500 people who see them at the high school gym or the bingo hall or even worse, for the 40-50 people that see them "perform" in their backyard.
The crisis of the NWA and its downfall in the early 90s was the origin, especially WCW and ECW splitting from it in 93 and 94. ECW created a subculture, WCW and WWF kinda followed up and when there was no more WCW and no more ECW something had to replace them, and the independent scene began to grow. When WWE had to go PG the underground indy culture took over.
i mean pro fighters have often done poses at weigh ins or before a bout, at least as far back as Mike Tysons debut
There’s a difference between flexing and some of these poses though and I think that’s what Brian meant. I’ll use one that irks me, Leon Ruff. He jumps up and wraps his legs around top rope and lays out like something the Bella’s or Peyton Royce would do. (Seriously, if you don’t watch NXT google his ring entrance) It DOES look like a dance pose. They need to stick to doing things that make them look like fighters.
@@bettyframe8044 HHH does one of my favorite poses: the crusifix bodybuilding pose, i actually stole it for my wrestling career because i have a decent physique (especially by todays standards, everyone is skinny fat or just scrawny)
@Brock Samson!!!! are we sure twinkle toes doesn’t do them already??
@Brock Samson!!!! there’s a boxer that does that already. It’s trash
@@wendigo1619 which is fine if you're Hunter. I like it when he pops up after the spinebuster and flexes cause it's cool.
There is something to be said about the old school style of wrestling both in ring and promos. It wasn't always pretty. People stumbled (in ring and on promos) but if you think about it that actually adds to the realism. In real life fights aren't beautifully choreographed. In real life you don't always have articulate, perfectly thought out conversations.
The more I think about it I actually enjoy it
Wrestling has gone the way of NASCAR in some ways... Just not fun to watch or follow for quite a while.
Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes did the most legendary promos on complete freestyle mode lol. Spilled liquor, the gator shoes, etc. You should not have to tell anyone what to say let the guy run with his gimmick and natural charisma and let him get it over. If he cant then he wont and that's that
@mike long, don't forget about Arn, back in the day of the 4H, Arn & Ole had the ability to make the fans buy into & believe what they were saying in order to get the fans to buy ppvs, tickets to house shows & etc whereas today, wether it's WWE,AEW, OR Impact, they don't have ANYONE who can talk the fans into the arenas like Dusty or Arn could.
We went from the Benoit Guerrero era to the John Cena era. Benoit and Guerrero combination of Charisma and strict auras influenced those locker rooms back in the mid 2000s when I grew up watching wrestling. Everybody in the locker room with them wanted to be like them and have that same intensity (in wrestling of course). Then you have John Cena as who I know went through OVW and Jim found a great talent there but we can't lie to ourselves and saying that he has the same intensity as the stars I just mentioned. Cena comes across very hoaky sometimes. He then gets pushed as a top guy and the others performers in the back in a way now have him as their role model and locker room leader. So now you have this generation of superstars looking up to the likes of a John Cena who has a great promo in him but comes across hoaky from time to time and today's generation unfortunately would have learnt those kind of traits along the way hence why we have went from serious, Charismatic hard working performers that cared for the craft to a more not care for that kind of style approach which is shame. What Benoit done outside of the ring was unforgivable but I feel every Wrestling company, especially AEW can do with an authorative figure like Benoit in their locker room to give them a kick in the ass and a reality check.
No one sells the lomg term impact of a Finishers anymore, just appear next week like you didn't just get put through a table. Lana should be table proof now, in fact it should be her gimmick, like she no sells table spots and just laughs.
It's really a shame that AEW doesn't listen to Jim... imagine what they could do if they would follow Jim and have the talent they have....
The next level for pro wrestling is combining the old mentality with the new flippy shit....
They don't listen to Jim Ross either you know what they say he's out of touch and these old guys love to complain I say to myself today is wrestling sucks and you know what these guys say what work 30 or 40 years ago won't work today that's because you guys don't know how to f****** work
Olivier, Buck Hogan and Balding Buck would be absolutely stretched by Cowboy Bill Watts, Verne Gagne, The Funks or Eddie Graham.
Hunter could batter all three of them at once.
@Greg Bailey no doubt. Mr. Backlund is in fantastic shape.
What gets me is that NXT just stopped trying to compete. I know the pandemic has hurt business, but the show lost whatever creativity it had, and the screens and piped in crowd, with the small live crowd makes for a schizophrenic experience. Also, losing Marco Ranallo hurt the announcing.
The entrance posing drives me crazy. Especially now with these idiots posing in empty rooms. Immediately kills it for me, I can't watch the modern crap.
i hate it as well esp the womens divison..acting if they are a big deal ,but not being able to do basic moves....just hate how they are presented as they are best thing ,when they suck in the ring ...
@@jackstraw4222 unless its a few in Japan I can't stand womens wrestling and I REALLY hate the overwhelming torture of too much of it on todays shows and these women referees sucks ass too..
I got a parasitic isopod from Omaha steak when they used to sell fish. The doctor tried to lure it out but had to be put under. Was nearly 6 inches n looked like a giant skinny louse sorta.
Getting interviewed at the hospital by the news was cool even if they didnt run it.
A large majority of these modern wrestlers can learn a lot from Undertaker.
He kept to his character, in and out of the ring.
The entrance poses are straight out of the video game realm, the old n64 THQ/AKI games especially.
I wonder if they'll get Roman or someone to take out someone like the Rock or even Stone Cold, pardon the random comment but there isn't anywhere better to post things like this on the Internet
Hell no.. Why would they?? SCST or the Rock aren't getting pulverized by Roman 😂 why would they??
Wrestling now days is more like a talk show. Wrestlers going back and forth with each other with lousy scripts. But it's funny to watching them when they screwup a wrestling move. And the other wrestler will do his/her best to try to cover for the other wrestler mistake.
Problem now is everyone in every match thinks they're Austin vs Rock at X7 or XIX but look like, wrestle like, and have sold the tickets/merch of Gillberg vs Jumpin Jeff Farmer.
The problem i see is the backstage skits and the 1 on 1 promos in the ring. Mainly in NXT they never convince me that they mean what they are saying on the mic! Or backstage when in reality nobody act's like that. Don't let me know you are playing a character. Lol
I've been saying it for years now. The skits MUST STOP. They are horrible, poorly written, inorganic and overproduced. It is a lasting remnant of the attitude era that should be done away with completely in all of pro wrestling. Not just WWE.
Just instagram models calling themselves wrestlers these days it's absolute garbage has been for years, remember ken shamrock Dan Severn Steve blackman? Midcarders u could believe and with great themes! Thats what wrestling is about
Guys like Dan Severn and Ken shamrock before Ken shamrock just said f*** it they would not make it today because most of these guys are sensitive
dan severn was a terrible wrestler. blackman too. both could kick ass but in ring meh
My biggest peeve besides the lack of actual wrestling. Is the backstage middle school valley girl bs . The interviewers ask questions of men and women questions that a middles schooler would ask a friend to get them angry. There is no level of maturity to it... I can’t believe I just said that. Adult to a degree doesn’t mean dirty either because I want kids to actually watch it as I did. I know it doesn’t all have to be so serious but perhaps a little better than it is.
Wrestlers today don't look like they're in a fight I grew up on Crokett. I never thought it was "real" but I could lose myself watching simulated violence I don't want M.M.A. but I want to lose my disbelief What if in the middle of Terminator the movie just said this is all stunts and Arnold isn't really a robot it would suck
I knew it was but I lost myself in what was happening, in the ring, to angles and what the pay off was going be
you nailed it exactly.
I'll spend 3 hours listening Brian and Corney talk wrestling instead of watching 3 minutes of today's "wrestling".
All this talk of Coke heads and wrestling has made me want a Cinematic style Back Alley Brawl between a coked up Roddy Piper vs coked up Al Pacino!!
Ppl get mad at him but for the love of god he is telling the truth the difference between wrestling then and now is the acting for Christ sake we have pat mcafee cutting better promos than the last 15 years vets that’s sad!
Too many guys just want to get their sh*t in rather than really work a match.
Those God Damn Cucamonga Kids!
Tim Storm, i believe that man, I'm convinced he's fighting for his family . No ones cares, just want a reaction to spots.
I agree with literally 100% of the email.
The stupid staginess and pre-scrifted promos is still no excuse for the community theatre/renaissance fair-level acting. Pretending to be hurt really isn't difficult.
People have parts these days and are not just them self turned up to 11.
And people have to weirdly be there gimmick not just have one an be a person.
There was more to Tracy Smothers then being southern but he gave you that face of him turned up to 11.
I miss blading in WWE.
I also think its so dumb how they can only hit their opponents with a chair in the back. Anytime they swing for the head, you know a reversal is coming.
Why can't they bring blade jobs back and get special made chairs that are made out of a super lightweight metal that has a good sound to it when hitting someone? That way they can go back to doing chair shots to the head, concussion free, and make matches look believable again.
You do realize that head trauma can be caused by things OTHER than metal, right? This is just asinine. Keep head trauma away from literally every form of entertainment.
I don't watch much anymore, but I'm betting the reason wrestlers doing poses is a source of annoyance is because these gestures aren't in line with what they're trying to portray. Either that, or the wrestlers are just so unconvincing these days.
Would've loved a story where Chad Gable is against Kurt Angle, they fued then unite and kurt passes down the Olympic slam to Chad.
Brock mocks Angle and Chad stands up to Brock, yet angle know he is not Ready.
Then he faces Brock to prove to Kurt that he is ready, but fails..goes away trains, learns more and puts on some more muscle.
Then Returns to face the beast, this time he wins....
And a Real star is born.
Then he and Jason Jordan Begin their own Rivalry. Oops 🤦🏾♂️...it was sounding good.
Yeah Chad Gable is a dude from this new era tht actually interests me.. He gives hope for actual convincing wrestling matches again
Please Jim and Brian review The Young Cucks book "Killing the Business" as it's essentially what they've done.
If there were any wrestlers I've watched, who could make believe them it would be John Cena, Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Chris Benoit, Undertaker, Triple H, and Eddie Guerrero.
Somebody should do a Jim Cornette movie. U have the most interesting life. Should be on film
Jim is way more smarter than Tony Khan
Jim should run a wrestling company, oh...
The business can be resurrected I think regardless of what anyone says. You just need the right minds and the right characters which it lacks
i dont agree,because this has been going on since early 2000s when cena was rising to the top....to many wrestlers cant work realistically ,to many small guys with zero charisma...and thats only the start....
Has Jim done a video on JR’s comments on AEW?
Sami Callihan is the only believable guy. He cuts great promos and it works well with his in-ring scumbag gimmick. Even Jim praised him for staying in character and tweeting that he'd do it again in a heartbeat after the baseball bat incident, while every other wrestler was begging him to apologise for it.
That was awesome yea they all were pissed bout that saying he should apologise he was just like oh well finally a heel getting damn heat that you wanted Eddie Edwards to get this asshole those over the top sensitive people wouldn’t be able to handle the likes of Bruiser Brody the guy went out in the crowd starting fights the crowd was panicking swinging that chain
No he's not. He's an outlaw mudshow wrestler who's ripped off HHH and can't wrestle.
Eddie Kingston is pretty good as well
Sami's the Danny Devito of wrestling
Feels like everyone wants to be a cross between a knock off Jeff Hardy and a half assed Steve Austin.
What's even funnier is that they suck at that really really bad
These Indy guys only know how to do moves in the ring. They don’t learn how to be a professional wrestlers. No psychology, no selling, no promos, no stage presence. Other than Ex WWE guys does AEW have 1 legit superstar? One that can be in movies, host award/TV shows, or give good interviews for crossover audiences (Sportscenter, GMA)?
MJF - thats the only one
MJF is the closest. He gets covered by mainstream media. OC got a little mainstream buzz, too
@@TheMagnificentMongoSlade I stand corrected. MJF is a future superstar for sure. But there should be more in AEW. Jungle Boy, Hangman, Sammy and Scorpio Sky have promise too. I just hope they are being developed off screen cuz AEW is dropping the ball with all of them right now.
@@mrvxg4820 Jungle Boy was a pet project for them and they abandoned him. I could say the same for Scorpio Sky but he's 40 and not really a young guy and what they've done to Hangman is criminal
Tell me the AEW guys are in there practicing and going ALL WEEK! How can they not be doing this?!?!?!? I was barely trained.....sooooo I'd be jumping in there as "practice working" al week leading up to the TV.
People really need to separate WWE from a wrestling show. It would make way more sense if you do that. WWE Raw and Smackdown are TV SHOWS. They're sold as tv shows, and celebrated as TV shows, hence the "new season" nonsense. "Longest episodic tv show ever!" Once you can separate the two, one should be able to see what to do to make a Wrestling Show, instead of recreating the TV show.
A lot of these guys need to look at Brock Lesnar or or RVD or Jeff Hardy, guys who are very good at selling.
RVD used to _sell his own move_ when he did the 5-Star Frog Splash like he'd been kicked in the gut by a horse so it made the move look even more devastating. Jeff Hardy would get the shit kicked out of him on a PPV and the next night he'd come out limping and looking like he'd been in a war. Lesnar, for a guy as big as he is, is very convincing in making you think he's hurt.
A lot of these smarks-turned-wrestlers can't do that or they don't want to because they're too busy going from Spot A to Spot B to Spot C with no rest or breaks in between and virtually no selling.
True that 👍
Stone colds entrance. Stomp in pissed off.
I agree let's use Enzo as example of sticking out like a sore thumb because he could work the mic 🎤... the Industry as a whole is very weak indeed at the promo but I blame it on , EVERYONE feeling the need to be on the mic , instead of the much needed inserted promo
The worst about acting in wrestling is that they can't sell during the match well, forget all the other acting.
This is exactly why I watch NWA, MLW and NJPW. Stick with the basics.
I wish the super kick and ddt were used as finishers again.
thats the main reason why i stopped watching wrestling was because of the acting. it just wasnt belieavable anymore and i know at its core its fake but for fuck sakes if your gonna lie to me...DO IT PROPERLY!! bring back attitude era FFS lol
One thing I'd add. It seems that many of the guys and gals who have had success in the business don't stick around like the old timers used to, to help bring up the next generation.
To whoever is doing the artwork on these videos, why do you draw like Olivier is capable of growing a beard?
I got an idea. Let's switch it. Give the men no more than 2 mins of in-ring time. The bell rings, the ref says "go home". The women get their more than 10 minutes time.
I don't give a fuck anymore. Fuck it!
I just want to see Shayna
No one puts over their Finishers, Finishers don't finish anything.
Promos are just very generic.
No time given make sure a storyline makes sense to/for the consumer to keep watching.
For me personally, Kenny Omega isn't AWFUL: he is very bad on the mic and needs a manager, but he isn't the stinking shits, in my opinion.
What pisses me off are the people who regurgitate opinions from Meltzer and reddit who call this guy "the best wrestler in the world ever", which he clearly isn't on any metric: talking, drawing money, physical prowess, size, physique, match quality (which is albeit more subjective), and overall presentation.
There are SO many people who trounce Kenny in any one, or multiple, of those above metrics.
Because they are all friends.