Jim Cornette on Vince McMahon & Dusty Rhodes

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  • Опубліковано 26 гру 2024
  • From Episode 362 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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  • @vanzammerz
    @vanzammerz 2 місяці тому +181

    And when “Virgil” went to WCW. They named him “Vincent”. IRS was VK wallstreet. Dusty played the name game back.

    • @D.E.S-tc8uw
      @D.E.S-tc8uw 2 місяці тому +19

      No shit like we didn't see that. Then in TNA, Voodoo Kin Mafia..

    • @rustykuntz94
      @rustykuntz94 2 місяці тому +20

      It's all a work but it's funny how petty & sensitive Wrestling in general has always been...& "it's just a RIB" justifies all

    • @ADAMdinho1
      @ADAMdinho1 2 місяці тому +14

      Dusty was better at it his choices were much funnier Virgil was also Shane in WCW like Shane O'Mac 😂

    • @PontFlair
      @PontFlair 2 місяці тому +5

      @@ADAMdinho1 is it possible "Curly Bill" was a reference to someone in WWF at the time?

    • @60BloodyChamp60
      @60BloodyChamp60 2 місяці тому +1

      @@D.E.S-tc8uwthey’ve been doing that since before Dusty and Vince. And Walstreet was Wallstreet first before he was IRS.

  • @dabellwrites6888
    @dabellwrites6888 2 місяці тому +32

    Kurt Angle said it best, he forgives but he doesn't forget. He clearly thought highly of Dusty and was slighted at his refusal. So Dusty came back and Vince basically ribbed him constantly. In the end gave him creative control of ECW (2006), developmental, Dusty was a somewhat consistent presence in WWE up until his death. Then after 2015 Dusty Rhodes became a saint in WWE.

  • @SSP_Joel
    @SSP_Joel 2 місяці тому +59

    These are my favorite videos. Jim dropping history and knowledge on WWE and the territories from the mid 70's to mid 80's. Love it. Thank you Jim.

    • @djwalker6608
      @djwalker6608 2 місяці тому

      And his Dusty impression is so spot on

  • @Billinois78
    @Billinois78 2 місяці тому +26

    I can't believe I never made that connection before. Akeem, "The African Dream"... Of course that's a mock of Dusty "The American Dream". It seems so obvious now, with the way One Man Keem moved and talked.

  • @laurenceamspoker782
    @laurenceamspoker782 Місяць тому +4

    Travis’s picture of Rhodes with Hogan’s mustache and bandanna 😂

  • @esmith407
    @esmith407 2 місяці тому +87

    He’s just a common brother

    • @iamdb1990
      @iamdb1990 2 місяці тому +10

      takin' flights to Japan

    • @PontFlair
      @PontFlair 2 місяці тому +3

      *"He's a kahhhhhhhhhh ahhh ahhh min Brotherrrrr!! HEY he's a kaaaahhhhhhhhh min Brotherrrrrr rrr rr!!"*

    • @barrymccockiner773
      @barrymccockiner773 2 місяці тому +6

      Working hard like no other 🎶

    • @PontFlair
      @PontFlair 2 місяці тому

      @@barrymccockiner773 *"he's got wives f___n others.."*
      Oh wait, that's "a rumor"

  • @Christoffski
    @Christoffski 2 місяці тому +212

    You guys should ask Vince to come on the show just to see.. 😅

    • @johngraham9117
      @johngraham9117 2 місяці тому +17

      This idea wins

    • @BadLion12k
      @BadLion12k 2 місяці тому +24

      I hear his schedule pretty open these days 😂

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 2 місяці тому +10

      Why? He'd just BS everything. lol.

    • @xjet15
      @xjet15 2 місяці тому

      @@johngraham9117youoiyyuoiyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiihiiihiihihhhihihhhohihhhhhhhhiohhoohohohooohhoihhohhouiiúiiyuyuygiggiigiiygugigiggigiggigigigiygigigiigggiiggiggiyigyigigigygigiygigigiyifffgiiiiiiiiiiigigiiiiiigiiiyyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiffgyiiiiiiiiifgufgigyiggiiggiiggiggiiffyifygi try it tutoti😊😊😊😊

    • @xjet15
      @xjet15 2 місяці тому

      @@johngraham9117

  • @PontFlair
    @PontFlair 2 місяці тому +69

    Travis with "STAND BACK" Vin Man LOL

    • @QuickManEXE
      @QuickManEXE 2 місяці тому +10

      I love it whenever Stand Back gets brought up.

    • @walrusonion
      @walrusonion 2 місяці тому +3

      Song slaps yo.

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 2 місяці тому +3

      That version of Vince is legendary ..that’s the Vince Rita Chatterton tasted 😂

    • @PontFlair
      @PontFlair 2 місяці тому +1

      @@tobiasfarragut292 and got thrown out the limo by (smfh you made me play along LOL).

    • @PontFlair
      @PontFlair 2 місяці тому

      @@QuickManEXE he sang the part about crushing competition with passion.

  • @vicjericho
    @vicjericho 2 місяці тому +44

    "For over two decades the McMahons have hated the Rhodes'.
    My dad set Florida on fire, he was a Hall of Famer,
    He shows up here and they put him in Polka dots and they make him dance.
    My brother was a second generation stud "The Natural" and I loved him.
    And they put him in Gold Paint and he has never been the same."
    - Cody Rhodes

    • @GretaThanos
      @GretaThanos 2 місяці тому +15

      Dustin was so good he got gold dust over.

    • @mrperson2804
      @mrperson2804 2 місяці тому +7

      He danced anyway and who tf cares about polka dots? People act as if Vince tattooed a schlong on his head. Loads of guys wear weird gear.

    • @HotRodM4
      @HotRodM4 2 місяці тому +4

      They did their humiliation rituals so Cody could be the top guy today.

    • @dagobert1234321
      @dagobert1234321 2 місяці тому +10

      @@HotRodM4I mean Cody also had to pay the piper.. he hated the Stardust gimmick

    • @michaelhauser6440
      @michaelhauser6440 2 місяці тому +3

      @mrperson2804 Right? For some reason, only in wrestling are polka dots considered some egregiously terrible thing, apparently

  • @shillebrand00
    @shillebrand00 2 місяці тому +70

    That $4500/week in 1986 is roughly $12k today.

    • @dallasparty316
      @dallasparty316 2 місяці тому +2

      Nobody asked or cares

    • @shillebrand00
      @shillebrand00 2 місяці тому +18

      @@dallasparty316 When your girlfriend wears tye dye, it's like watching a rainbow eat the sky.

    • @Only_One_Veezy
      @Only_One_Veezy 2 місяці тому +6

      @@shillebrand00I’m way too high for this 😭😂

    • @shillebrand00
      @shillebrand00 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Only_One_Veezy 🤣

    • @skeletor7908
      @skeletor7908 2 місяці тому

      ​@@dallasparty316Quit being an As$Hole!

  • @Akiraking
    @Akiraking 2 місяці тому +20

    Hey guys great episode but Dusty Rhodes did not book Starrcade 83. Gary Hart did. Dusty came up with the name but Dory Funk Jr asked Hart to book the show. In his book Gary goes into detail about how he booked the show

  • @mikes1430
    @mikes1430 2 місяці тому +6

    I love these historical discussions.

  • @romibodoni
    @romibodoni 2 місяці тому +12

    I love Dusty's entrance theme "American Dream". One of my all time favourites!

    • @MisterBeauJanGels
      @MisterBeauJanGels 2 місяці тому

      He's just a jerking man
      Grips his pud with his hands
      Amerrrriiicaaaaaann Cream

    • @guaromiami
      @guaromiami 2 місяці тому

      "He's just a common man, working hard with his hands!"

  • @michelledavidson8190
    @michelledavidson8190 2 місяці тому +1

    I could listen to Jim talk about wrestling history all day.

  • @quarantinefox
    @quarantinefox 2 місяці тому +57

    People are quick to say the Polka dots were a rib. But Vince gave out 100s of terrible gimmicks for years. This is the man who made Roman Reigns say "suffering succotash" when he was pushing him down everyones throat. I'm never ruling out that Vince thought that the Polka dots were a genuinely good idea to make money. Lets be honest. On paper. The Undertaker, is a god awful gimmick. It's essentially a Zombie gimmick.

    • @brainspin7518
      @brainspin7518 2 місяці тому +10

      The early version of the undertaker definitely was laughable.

    • @FerretJohn
      @FerretJohn 2 місяці тому +13

      As I heard it the Dots were a rib on Vince's part, he was a notorious ribber, but it was also a challenge, Dusty was the guy who could get a ham sandwich over, he wanted to see if Dusty could get this over. And from Dusty's view, Dust was already well known for his outrageous over-the-top style, the polka dots were nothing, he was up for the challenge. And Dusty was under no illusions as to the state of his career, that was his last hurrah as an active wrestler, he was just there for a final paycheck.

    • @JunkMale
      @JunkMale 2 місяці тому +5

      Good points... if this was a rib, what did Terry Taylor do to Vince?

    • @quarantinefox
      @quarantinefox 2 місяці тому +4

      @JunkMale And Bruce Pritchard spoke about the Red Rooster gimmick on his podcast and stil thinks it could have been a goog gimmick

    • @JunkMale
      @JunkMale 2 місяці тому +5

      @@quarantinefox I mean, Dusty could’ve pulled it off, but he could’ve made anything work… “Lemmie teyaa summin, baby… when I put on dis hemmet, I’m not the ‘Merican Dreeyum, I’m the Shockmasta, baby! And when my ‘lectrifyin’ elbow connects, WOO! Gonna put hard times on errybody. The Shockmasta is gonna bring the thunder and errybody between me and that belt… is goin’ under, daddy. Can’t stop the storm, jack! Can’t stop this storm right HEYAH” oh man I’d have bought every gimmick

  • @rickvamosjr2121
    @rickvamosjr2121 2 місяці тому +2

    I am looking forward to hear the old wrestling talks and your month back on the year on the road I love that stuff

  • @johngallagher72
    @johngallagher72 2 місяці тому +28

    Here's my Dusty story . Hope it gives the more hard-core members of the cult who grew up with the NWA WWF wars a giggle. So its Wrestlemania 6 weekend and 17 year old me was working as a bus boy for the Skydome Catering Service. This is pre fan access weekend but on the Saturday before mania they still had a few corporate functions and meet and greet for the fans. So I get to work one of them there at a table sits Dusty sitting across from George Steele. So 17 year old me who is not as smart as he thinks is walks up to their table and says to Dusty ..."Im so glad you came to WWF i was big fan of yours in the NWA." . George Steele doesnt say anything but Dusty looks up, shakes his head no sells it , doesnt say a thing and goes back to talking to George Steele. ...lol One of my favourite teenage memories ...it was a great weekend.

    • @tomjones5650
      @tomjones5650 2 місяці тому +6

      Did Steele say- HEY YOU OUT!!!!!

    • @johngallagher72
      @johngallagher72 2 місяці тому +8

      @@tomjones5650 no ..kinda looked up in semi amazement seemingly thinking to himself ...'this geek cant be that stupid ' ...lol ...truth be told Dusty handled it perfectly ... humbled me by doing absolutely nothing ...still a great memory tbh

    • @gavinduenas3584
      @gavinduenas3584 2 місяці тому +6

      Sorry if I'm being stupid, but what was wrong with saying you were a big fan of his in the NWA?

    • @johngallagher72
      @johngallagher72 2 місяці тому +7

      @@gavinduenas3584 it was 1989 ...Dusty was the main guy in Crockett all through the 80s and him coming to WWF was almost an admission that Vince had won the war. At this time what they call Kayfabe where the fans are supposed to think its real and not realize there were other territories still existed. It was definitely a major social faux pas on my part.

    • @gavinduenas3584
      @gavinduenas3584 2 місяці тому +6

      ​@johngallagher72 I guess also his departure from Crockett wasn't amicable so all the more reason he wouldn't want to reminisce about the NWA days. But still, you paid him a compliment!

  • @thisismikelife
    @thisismikelife 2 місяці тому +2

    Holy shit worth sitting through the promotional material too. Roughly 22 minutes in, the quick Ronnie Garvin bit. Gold.

  • @Chatwerf609
    @Chatwerf609 2 місяці тому +1

    I grew up in the early 70s in jersey where it was only WWWF but I also got the rags n Dusty popped for me even in writing n when he came in n I finally saw him on tv Dusty instantly became my all time favorite n yes even over Bruno who wasn’t on tv much then

  • @justinmoreau4070
    @justinmoreau4070 2 місяці тому +15

    Dusty did say that he made the most money though working for Vince. I think Dusty did the best to get over with what they gave him and he ran with it.

    • @clivet3252
      @clivet3252 2 місяці тому +7

      What did they give him? The most memorable outfit and theme tune in history.

    • @justinmoreau4070
      @justinmoreau4070 2 місяці тому

      @@clivet3252 i agree.

  • @michaellaw2829
    @michaellaw2829 2 місяці тому +5

    Love these sliding door conversations between Jim and Brian. It would be so interesting if Dusty had said yes to Vince what that WWF would have looked at in the "Golden era"

  • @BadLion12k
    @BadLion12k 2 місяці тому +13

    Codys " The Mcmahons have always hated the Rhodes" promo in some ways is true.

  • @baoxidiaoyu
    @baoxidiaoyu 2 місяці тому +10

    83/84 Dusty also worked AWA battle Royale trying to get Blackwell's push post-Hogan

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 2 місяці тому +6

      Wouldn't have been a bad replacement for hogan. I'd rather have Dusty myself.

    • @lodi70005
      @lodi70005 2 місяці тому

      Blackwell, especially in 84, wasn’t replacing anyone and drawing a big house.

  • @titansrule72
    @titansrule72 2 місяці тому +3

    omg travis in his bag again. love it

  • @timothylewis2527
    @timothylewis2527 2 місяці тому +7

    When I was a kid, about this time, there was a popular rapper named Kwame. His style was similar to Will Smith, Kid N Play, and other family friendly rappers of the day. Kwame's whole gimmick was wearing polka dots. He even talked about "The Land of Polka Dots". We actually thought they were cool.
    Maybe Dusty or Vince or whoever thought it was cool, too.

    • @badladyami
      @badladyami 2 місяці тому +1

      How much do you want to wager an adolescent Shane is how it even entered his field of view?

    • @timothylewis2527
      @timothylewis2527 2 місяці тому

      @@badladyami very possible! I just googled it and Dusty came into the WWF in 1989 the same year that Kwame started to become big.

    • @guaromiami
      @guaromiami 2 місяці тому

      There was a time there in the late 80s and early 90s when polka-dots were in fashion. Blues guitarist Buddy Guy adopted that look around that time, painting his guitars in polka-dots, and he kept it for decades after!

    • @josephrother7950
      @josephrother7950 2 місяці тому +1

      I thought it was cool when I was a little kid in the 90's.

  • @James-bi4jz
    @James-bi4jz 2 місяці тому +4

    I wonder if Hulk Hogan played a role? Historically he's used every trick in the book to prevent anyone else getting to his level, even lying about undertaker injuring him. Hogan shouldn't have been worried about Dusty, he was at his peak, looked like a star and had Vince's ear, while Dusty was badly out of shape and coming to the end of his career. Dusty was a popular babyface when he first came in though and more of a charismatic entertainer than Hulk. Hulk would have wanted to keep him away from the main events and possibly deny him the chance to become a top babyface.

  • @rphillip1086
    @rphillip1086 2 місяці тому +3

    That's the best thumbnail yet, Corny and co. Yeehaw!

  • @MetlKen87
    @MetlKen87 2 місяці тому +5

    I have heard, Dusty, Cody, and Dustin all on shoot videos and podcasts say the polka dots werent a rib, and if they werw Dusty didnt care because those were the biggest checks he had ever gotten in his entire wrestling career.

  • @cb4n409
    @cb4n409 2 місяці тому +2

    I would expect it was about keeping Dusty from getting over and upsetting the apple cart for the stars Vince already had

  • @johnlindsay4310
    @johnlindsay4310 2 місяці тому +24

    They made Dusty a plumber and gave him polka dots and he was still the third most over person in WWF besides Hogan and Warrior.

    • @clivet3252
      @clivet3252 2 місяці тому +16

      They didn't make him a plumber they made him a man of the people. He was no different to how he had been before, just WWF style.

    • @madbrowniac7871
      @madbrowniac7871 2 місяці тому +1

      And there were going back to Florida for Eddie Graham in 1974 many references in the NWA to Virgil Riley Runnels as "a Plumber's Son." What would've been ingenious would be for The WWF to hire Gary Hart as The Manager of Terry & Dory Funk, Junior about that same time. Highly reminiscent of the Classic Westerns where The Sheriff is besieged by Outlaw Acquaintances who think that they can take him down by using his old psychology against him. His old psychology!🤔😉🎤🤠🐴👔👞👞🤼‍♂️B.W.

    • @clivet3252
      @clivet3252 2 місяці тому +4

      @@johnlindsay4310 and he was booked against the top heels who had just been feuding with Hogan. He was pushed as the number 3 babyface. Hogan and Warrior were superheroes and he was the man of the people.

    • @SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist
      @SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@clivet3252The problem with that is it makes no sense, like why would a millionaire pro wrestling superstar need to work a day job? And how would he even have time for one while he is constantly traveling? It's just silly.

    • @MrJjburgess11
      @MrJjburgess11 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist they used to play that wrestlers weren't rich people. Unless that was your gimmick like the Million Dollar Man. I remember a promo with Big Boss Man. And he said "I may be poor but I'm proud" even at 11 years old that made me laugh.

  • @peterpawelczyk8794
    @peterpawelczyk8794 2 місяці тому +57

    When Dusty came to WWF with the common man vignettes, he was wrestling matches on TV without polka dots. I think Hogan complained to Vince about Dusty getting over, so they started the polka dots to knock him down a peg.

    • @douglas69ification
      @douglas69ification 2 місяці тому +14

      I remember a vignette where Big Dust was playing a plumber in someone's house. He came out of the bathroom with (working schitt i hope) on his arms and said in his unique voice said " I had to do a triple bypass." Maybe I was high but I thought that was funny AF.

    • @douglas69ification
      @douglas69ification 2 місяці тому +11

      Hated the polka-dots. Vince totally tried to bury him but The Dream still got over.
      #DREAM

    • @clivet3252
      @clivet3252 2 місяці тому +11

      I don't get people's issue with the polka dots. Hogan himself was wearing yellow trunks and red knee pads.

    • @PontFlair
      @PontFlair 2 місяці тому +5

      Was it ever said that Hogan did that? Until I hear people say it, I don't believe that was Hogan suggesting to put Dusty into Polka Dots.
      Vin Man and others though? Possibly. Maybe more than possibly. And it backfired bc he sold merch!! LOL
      He wasn't "my American Dream" anymore, but he sold them dots like hotcakes!!
      R.I.P Star Dust

    • @PontFlair
      @PontFlair 2 місяці тому +3

      ​@@clivet3252exactly. Had Hogan in the Ronald McDonald getup.

  • @jasonjimerson7046
    @jasonjimerson7046 2 місяці тому +2

    Brian: You can't get over while wearing polka dots.
    Me: Not unless you are a horse jockey.

  • @KillerToyMachine
    @KillerToyMachine 2 місяці тому +1

    Ok the transition into the sponsor read was actually genius

  • @dkupke
    @dkupke 2 місяці тому +3

    That was the one part of that documentary they intrigued me. Opened some interesting what ifs.

  • @the.ricefarmer
    @the.ricefarmer 2 місяці тому +2

    In the 1987 Slammys Vince was the televangelist for the show and he had a Dusty impression on

  • @mburton120
    @mburton120 2 місяці тому +2

    Dusty got over in spite of the polkadots. When his music hit, the crowds went wild.

  • @johnlindsay4310
    @johnlindsay4310 2 місяці тому +4

    Every Randy Savage Mania match is either a classic or unique...and then there's his random match with Dusty at Mania 6.

  • @martinwalton9307
    @martinwalton9307 2 місяці тому +2

    Keep in mind that Dusty has also mentioned that he got points on the big Crockett towns as part of his booking deal, that had to be a huge incentive for Dusty if he had confidence that he could get the towns cooking again.

  • @jldraw
    @jldraw 2 місяці тому +5

    If not for the Brian Solomon interview source which I personally cannot find, I’d put very little stock into the modern elevation of Dusty Rhodes’ legacy as it pertains to WWE given that his son is currently working on top there. WWE has a tendency to embellish in order to thread a narrative in order to make past events appear more grandiose than they actually were. In truth, Dusty Rhodes was utilized as an attraction for WWE much in the same way Andre and many others were during that era. He was never promised the WWE Championship. The scenario that was relayed for years was that when Billy Graham won the belt from Bruno he was told the date he was going to drop the belt and whom he was going to drop the belt to, Bob Backlund. I can’t see how Vince McMahon given that he wanted to market his product to children using primarily “body guys” as his means was ever going to select Dusty as the face of his brand of wrestling.

    • @TotallyFarked999
      @TotallyFarked999 2 місяці тому +1

      This seems like a contemporary take on decades-old events, though. Smart fans saw how Dusty was maligned at the time. How his kids were treated just seemed to be more evidence.
      It's not as if Dusty was ever being compared to Ole Anderson. He had a job, but Vince seemed to make him and his family the butt of jokes.

    • @josephrother7950
      @josephrother7950 2 місяці тому

      Vince apparently has flat out admitted that narrative is correct, though.

  • @jasonfrost6448
    @jasonfrost6448 Місяць тому +1

    I was a kid then and polka dot Dusty Rhodes and Sapphire got my mom into watching wrestling for the only period in my entire life she was willing to do it and she HATED pro wrestling back then. In a black household like I grew up in that look, act and routine was the only thing that a black audience really related to in the WWF once JYD was gone. It wasn't until I was an adult that I found out that people felt that was a punishment.

  • @ElizabethMichalski
    @ElizabethMichalski Місяць тому +1

    Dusty Rhodes Son Cody Rhodes Help First Match Championship

  • @ernestcruz6316
    @ernestcruz6316 2 місяці тому +5

    Were the polka dots a rib on Dusty? You're damn right they were! Dusty's widow Michelle (Cody's mom) said it herself on the Dusty DVD they put out in 2006. A couple of WWE stooges on the video said it wasn't, but considering one of them was Bruce Prichard, take them with a grain of salt.

    • @ferox965
      @ferox965 2 місяці тому +1

      I've been looking for that set.

    • @sfpincchicago
      @sfpincchicago 2 місяці тому

      ​@@ferox965We have it available for sale.

  • @bobmanning808
    @bobmanning808 2 місяці тому +2

    If you check out WWF Magazine interview with Sapphire, she was wearing a black sweatshirt with yellow circle stickers placed all over her sweatshirt. Wasn't even a polkadot sweatshirt.😂😂😂

  • @jonathandenatale6878
    @jonathandenatale6878 2 місяці тому +1

    Bravo, Travis

  • @NateBragdon-t3l
    @NateBragdon-t3l 2 місяці тому +2

    Vince has the ‘I’ll Show You’ Syndrome!

  • @RickJW-OSM
    @RickJW-OSM 2 місяці тому +2

    (9:00)
    If I recall, didn't Dusty also appear in AWA for a few shots in '83-'84?

    • @todderickson2435
      @todderickson2435 Місяць тому +1

      Yep. I'm a lifelong Minnesotan, and I saw a couple cards at the old St. Paul Civic Center which included Dusty.

  • @stevebragg4256
    @stevebragg4256 2 місяці тому +3

    Have we not seen pictures of Dusty before WWF Wearing polkadot bandanas and such? I never thought any less of him for wearing them.

  • @garrettwalker9917
    @garrettwalker9917 2 місяці тому +1

    I swear I’ve heard this same discussion 50 times. Brian, it’s not that difficult-Billy Graham was too old, Dusty wouldn’t have carried the national expansion, Vince saw Hogan and correctly identified that he was the perfect fit

  • @RobSkillz881
    @RobSkillz881 2 місяці тому +8

    Goldust could be a rib too

    • @sinfulrhapsody1287
      @sinfulrhapsody1287 2 місяці тому +2

      I didn't think of that - interesting point. And Cody too early in his career. I would guess that would hurt more than having to wear the polka-dots.

    • @RobSkillz881
      @RobSkillz881 2 місяці тому +2

      @@sinfulrhapsody1287 good ol Stardust

    • @bipolarbear8940
      @bipolarbear8940 2 місяці тому +3

      I would say less a rib and more that Vince already knew he wanted to make his wrestling show shocking and risqué and used Dustin to generate cheap heat and drum up controversy during a time where being gay/ effeminate was seen as wrong.

    • @SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist
      @SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist 2 місяці тому +1

      Probably, it's just it was a rib that Dustin got over.

    • @SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist
      @SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@bipolarbear8940Yeah, unfortunately there was a lot of gay panic in the 90s unfortunately. Vince was using the homophobia of 90s wrasslin crowds to draw heat.

  • @benespinosa6725
    @benespinosa6725 2 місяці тому +11

    LMAO hulk hogan in the dusty rhodes attire makes me laugh thanks guys 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Rotiart89
    @Rotiart89 2 місяці тому +4

    Beef with the polka dots is funny, dusty would have beenover wearing a burlap sack. If anything it solidifies his legend as one of the greatest to ever do it. You could give him anygimmick and he wouldhave been the fuckingman with it.

  • @F-Zero-yf3bh
    @F-Zero-yf3bh 2 місяці тому +4

    Rhodes "Whatcha gonna do baby?"

    • @PontFlair
      @PontFlair 2 місяці тому +2

      @@F-Zero-yf3bh *"It's DUSTYmania eff ya wheel, ya undastand?!?"*

  • @HyperActive7
    @HyperActive7 2 місяці тому +1

    I'm just waiting for Heckel's Vince back there to sprout a pair of fangs.

  • @knowledgeuntamed9177
    @knowledgeuntamed9177 2 місяці тому +2

    These are human relationships ya know. How many of us have been in fights with friends or family? Not always as simple as love/hate.

  • @craiglindecamp9589
    @craiglindecamp9589 2 місяці тому +7

    If I recall in Dusty’s book, Vince Sr told Dusty something along the lines of don’t let my son kill the business

  • @Rizzlyricist
    @Rizzlyricist 2 місяці тому +2

    Think it's a bad time to be talking about Vince 🤣

  • @CMorton72
    @CMorton72 2 місяці тому +1

    Don't forget about the Reo Rogers debacle.

  • @prestonpfeiffer
    @prestonpfeiffer 2 місяці тому +1

    Dusty(& subsequently Hogan) reminded Vince of Dr.Jerry Graham and what he wanted his “SUPERSTARS” to be. Say what you want about Vince’s aesthetic for his promotion but he always saw his guys as living,breathing, action figures like Jerry Graham was to him as a young wrestling fan.

  • @Bigmojojo
    @Bigmojojo 2 місяці тому

    Dusty has an interview on youtube where he talks about this. First, he says he didn't mind the pocka dots as he wore stuff like that in Flordia in the 70s. He said he came to WWF because he wanted to take over the booking. But when it became clear he wasn't going to get it and Jim Crickett called him and offered him the booking job at his company, Dusty agreed and then told Venice he was quiting.

  • @jaredbrady5566
    @jaredbrady5566 2 місяці тому +1

    Sapphire as a name for Dusty's valet is even a rib in itself.

  • @leonfizer1974
    @leonfizer1974 2 місяці тому

    Again, Jim's wrestling IQ is off the charts 👍🏼

  • @jamaalmoses8821
    @jamaalmoses8821 2 місяці тому +1

    What a choice..Bionic Elbow or The Leg Drop.For Vince Jr 's ambitions,he picked the right guy.

    • @guaromiami
      @guaromiami 2 місяці тому

      I don't think you appreciate just how popular Dusty Rhodes was in the early 80s. However, there was definitely more upside with Hogan because he was younger and more impressive looking physically.

  • @tomh1593
    @tomh1593 2 місяці тому

    Dusty's last WWf appearance in 1983 was at MSG on July 30 1983.......Andre the Giant, Dusty Rhodes, & Ivan Putski defeated WWF Tag Team Champions the Wild Samoans & Samula

  • @ogemaweyaus4105
    @ogemaweyaus4105 2 місяці тому

    If thus comes as a video game wrestling Sim. I'll buy it no question.
    If Jim Cornett is involved? Take My money!!!

  • @DustinBlythe
    @DustinBlythe 2 місяці тому

    I watched a shoot interview with Ronnie Garvin where he said he knew Dusty was broke when he went to work for Vince and agreed to wear the polka dots.

  • @mjdf122
    @mjdf122 2 місяці тому +16

    Vincent Kennedy McMahon buried Dusty Rhodes with those Polka Dots and Sapphire

    • @recorz98
      @recorz98 2 місяці тому +12

      But dusty got over despite Vince trying to bury him.

    • @Biffo316
      @Biffo316 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@recorz98that's because Dusty was already a star and people knew who Dusty was.

    • @walkedoverwater
      @walkedoverwater 2 місяці тому

      @@Biffo316then it wouldn’t be fair to say Vince buried him, would it?

    • @Jspeer512
      @Jspeer512 2 місяці тому

      That was his goal

    • @kingneeley-pn4tt
      @kingneeley-pn4tt 2 місяці тому +2

      Dusty couldn’t be buried. He made chicken salad out of Vince’s shit

  • @travis7069
    @travis7069 Місяць тому

    Definitely want to see Vince on the Joe Rogan experience

  • @johnj.todora4128
    @johnj.todora4128 2 місяці тому

    The pokidots seem silly now, but remember; we are talking about the late 80's. Don Johnson padded shoulder jackets and mullets was the style for men.
    Polka dots isn't that far off. 😂

  • @gaipontiff2
    @gaipontiff2 2 місяці тому +6

    I recall Bruce Pritchard saying that the polka dots was all Vince's doing. No one else.

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 2 місяці тому

      And I say good. Dusty would have just looked like an older, fatter Buddy Rose in the WWF without the polka dots.

  • @dzig228
    @dzig228 2 місяці тому

    Dusty isn't who he is today if he doesn't go to JCP & do everything he did there. At the end of the day, in my opinion, Dusty made the best decision by not going to WWF & going to JCP. His feud with Flair & all that came out of that with the Horsemen & Magnum TA & then the Russians & others is legendary.

  • @awb98
    @awb98 2 місяці тому

    Vince McMahon ended wrestling as I grew up loving it. The territories was what wrestling was all about.the world champion would come in and wrestle the champion of the territory. I miss those days

  • @sonnyblack71
    @sonnyblack71 2 місяці тому

    Terry Taylor as The Red Rooster!!!

  • @clivet3252
    @clivet3252 2 місяці тому +10

    The polka dots are iconic. Dustin came out in the polka dots. He had a polka dot handkerchief at the Hall of Fame, Seth wore polka dots in his feud with Cody. Vince is a marketing genius.

  • @tzarro
    @tzarro 13 днів тому

    I don't know .. As a kid, I really liked polka dot dusty and think it made him really fun... As an adult it seems like a rib, but I'm not convinced it was... It was dusty plus Vince loud gimmick enhancement.

  • @GuitarAnthony
    @GuitarAnthony 2 місяці тому

    JJ Dillon got that shot in MSG as a favor to Eddie Graham from Vince Sr according to JJ's autobiography. JJ had never worked MSG and I think it was Afa who had an IC title match but no showed so JJ got put in the spot.

  • @SteckmetX
    @SteckmetX 2 місяці тому

    The Polka Dots were not a rib, it was for marketing and to create a character for Dusty

  • @MrJjburgess11
    @MrJjburgess11 2 місяці тому

    I honestly don't think dusty would have gotten over nationality like Hogan did. Part of what made Hogan so big was that he looked like a Superhero. And in the 80s that was a huge deal. Was being muscled up. Look at the TV and movie stars that were big back then. Stallone, Arnold, Mr T . Van Damm . All jacked up dudes.

  • @DefendYoungstown
    @DefendYoungstown 2 місяці тому

    I still think it's interesting that, during a podcast interview (Jericho), Dustin and Cody were asked about the polka dots and Sapphire and if they were ribs. Dustin said yes to both, and thought it was more a "challenge" for the guy who thinks he's such hot shit and can get anything over. Cody, on the other hand, didn't think the dots were so much a rib, but noted that "Vince has to put his stamp on everything." He agreed with his brother that Sapphire (being a large black woman with, let's say non-model features instead of some petite blonde arm charm) was _supposed_ to be a rib "... until she got over."
    Either of the cases with the polka dots thing could be true. As much as everyone wants it to be a mean-spirited thing, it could just as well been one of those things that Vince "saw" as a look... like LOD specifically being in red and black all the time or how Jim described that specific shot of introducing Dude Love with the click track and showing his feet walking on beat or wanting to call Vader "The Mastadon" for trademark purposes, or trying in vain for about two decades to manufacture another Rey Mysterio from whole cloth even after signing the actual one multiple times. How many different people renamed "Bronson" or given the initials "K.O." have passed through developmental?
    The polka dots might just have been a thing Vince himself was fixated on and insisted would get over. Hell, even if he got Dusty instead of Hogan, he might have tried it on someone else to be their signature look.

  • @theunorthodoxecclesia
    @theunorthodoxecclesia 2 місяці тому +1

    I like the polka dots and I like sapphire it was the first time I ever saw Dusty Rhodes but I think my Grandad knew who he was because he said this is a real tough man my Grandad used to love watching NWA WCW He didn't really like WWF we watched WCW/NWA on UK TV we only got WCW are NWA in the 80s for free

    • @StuartRandall-n4c
      @StuartRandall-n4c 2 місяці тому

      Depends on what region of itv you had
      We had central me and my brother watched wrestling every Saturday afternoon once a month we had wwf wrestling from about 1984 until Greg dyke cancelled wrestling in itv in 87
      Then of course sky TV picked up wwf and wcw started appearing on itv in the early mornings about midnight my dad used to tape it for us so we could watch it the next day happy memories

  • @Bermondseybob
    @Bermondseybob 2 місяці тому

    Knowing nothing at all about wrestling history when I first started watching in 1990, I just thought the polka dots were part of Dustys personality and that they fit his persona well.

  • @BrandonHebert-hi8wt
    @BrandonHebert-hi8wt 2 місяці тому +1

    Dusty and Andre actually did not win that Superdome tag tournament. Only time they ever lost as a tag team. Lost to The Grappler and Super Destroyer IIRC

  • @newageorganzation
    @newageorganzation 2 місяці тому

    It was C.All of above

  • @nickgioldasis8306
    @nickgioldasis8306 2 місяці тому

    I watched this yesterday and wow! Now I get why Jim has a problem with the women’s division today.

  • @toddkurzbard
    @toddkurzbard 2 дні тому

    Here's ANOTHER possibility: Vince doesn't want ANYBODY to compare to Hulk Hogan, or whoever his Chosen One is at the moment. Everybody, regardless of level of popularity, has to be of a "Lower Class" then Hogan\whoever. Therefore, their legs must be cut out from under them, to have just enough popularity to sell T-Shirts, action figures and other merch., but at a lower tier. This ensures that the top man REMAINS the top man, and gets the highest merchandise sales percentage and ego-stroking. It's a way of mollifying his prima-donna main star.

  • @vinceraven1501
    @vinceraven1501 2 місяці тому

    Actually surprised Mcmaniac didn't hire Dirty Rhodes lol... Wish there was more flos around about Dirty Rhodes.. 🤔

  • @Filmation77
    @Filmation77 2 місяці тому

    Brian last is Dead wrong here about the Poka Dots, cause like it or not , The Poka-dots silly as they were, WAS the signature in fans minds of the 80's when fans back then remembered Dusty Rhodes, cause without them in WWF, Dusty was just a working class brawler in regular tights ,like Hacksaw Jim Duggan (and Vince already HAD a Duggan )

  • @steves2241
    @steves2241 2 місяці тому

    I watched NXT on the CW last night, the one with Orton on it, and it sucked because the picture does not fit the tv screen. It;s 4 inches short on the top of the screen, and 4 inches short on the bottom of the screen, so the picture is distorted and it makes all the wrestlers look shorter and wider. This does not happen on any other channel I watch, they only do it on the CW, and it ruins the show for me.
    I guess the CW is too cheap to make the picture fit the tv screen. Every other show I watch on my 55 inch flat screen Smasung tv fits the screen, the NXT wrestling show from last night was the first tv show I have seen that did not fit my tv screen.

  • @darthsebio1726
    @darthsebio1726 2 місяці тому

    Interesting to me that someone like Jim Cornette who only heard of the possibility of working out knows about Dianabol & Deca Durabolin💪...

  • @SteckmetX
    @SteckmetX 2 місяці тому

    Dusty was over in the WWF in 1989 as much as he was in the NWA in his prime

  • @TheOnlyTribalChief
    @TheOnlyTribalChief 2 місяці тому +1

    Ow… Vince you got me brother

  • @davegallo8166
    @davegallo8166 2 місяці тому

    Which promotion used dusty as "the midnight rider" gimmick ?

  • @PontFlair
    @PontFlair 2 місяці тому

    It's kinda crazy though that Dusty never had an Intercontinental Title run, not even a Tag-Team Titles win in WWF.

  • @insupportofjunhado
    @insupportofjunhado 2 місяці тому

    With Dusty, the constant shots and ribbing never really stopped, but no one thing done to the Rhodes was as bad as that "King" gimmick Vince gave Harley Race. Winning King of The Ring was supposed to be a good thing!

  • @PatrickMcCool
    @PatrickMcCool 2 місяці тому

    Vince wanted Dusty back when Superstar was champ. Watch the old interviews. He was on Dusty back then.

  • @TheW11slim
    @TheW11slim 2 місяці тому

    But honestly polka dots were in at that time. Dusty was over, the polka dots didn’t get him over, they didn’t really matter. I think we gave too much attention to the polka dots in his WWF run.

  • @nikkiLee-hf6gx
    @nikkiLee-hf6gx 2 місяці тому

    HELLOOOO, Dusty wore polkadots ALL OVER AHIS 77-78 WWF run and it was HUGE for Dusty!!!!

  • @ronniebobbyedition993
    @ronniebobbyedition993 2 місяці тому

    You have to believe that there is truth to Dusty not believing in Vince's vision. Truth be told, well IMHO, The NWA in the early to mid 80s had the better product. Vince was the better business man

  • @SmithCommaBenjamin
    @SmithCommaBenjamin 2 місяці тому

    Go back in his first book that was independent of world wrestling entertainment. He claimed he turned Vince down. Simply because vince wasn't going to pay him enough. I really don't think the polka dots were a rib simply because all the gimmicks at that time were hokey

  • @cartierkidd8063
    @cartierkidd8063 2 місяці тому

    If Dusty turned it down .. why is Cody crying? 😂

  • @Loanwolf387
    @Loanwolf387 2 місяці тому

    For Wwf fans, for little kids, the polkadots were over. It’s hard to say it was a rib when it was over. Polkadot Dusty was a star.

    • @mooseheadjack1
      @mooseheadjack1 2 місяці тому

      it was likely a rib, but Dusty was so good, he made it work and got it over