A Song of Ice and Fire: The Andal Invasion
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2017
- A brief history the Andal Invasion, from their departure of Essos to the fall of southern Westeros and defense of the North. Based on the series A Song of Ice and Fire by George R. R. Martin.
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Moral of the story :
Do not attack the North
Or if you do, attack by the sea with a strong invading force capable of resisting cold.
Unless you have dragons
unless you have dragons
The Andal force was not strong enough obviously.
False Comparison. Robb and Ned were beaten by betrayal and deception at the hands of schemers and plotters, not beaten in battle. Theon or any of his contemporaries may have been undone by the same circumstances.
First men = Celts
Andals = Anglo-saxons
Targeryans = Normans/ William the Conqueror
Pretty much
Nope.
Andals = Normans
First Men = Anglo-Saxons (Celts vehemently lacked the grim and stoic nature of Germanics, being crazy as hell, going battle naked and etc.)
Valyrians = Western Slavs (Because they actually invaded later, their capital which is King's Landing was literally based on a Slavic city of Dubrovnik which is in Croatia and validly stating the confirmation of their Western Slavness/Central Europeaness. Also Slavs ALWAYS durably holded cultural and close connections with the East (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Mongolia and Armenia) such as Daenerys with Dothraki ).
@@metabolismofindominable8219 nope.
@@metabolismofindominable8219 Nope
@@grievousbutworse4085
Nonono, you got it ALL backwards, actually your "nope" I admit it's unacceptably illogical and scientifically untrue. Fuck you. I can play that game. Fuck your nope and everything you represent.
You forgot about King Tristifer’s badass nickname “The Hammer of Justice”.
Andals : Invades Westeros*
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Theon Stark : Uno Reverse card!
Nobody:
George RR Martin: House Shett
Words: DESGUSTANG!
Castle: Huge Dunghold
House hoare💀
Shigil, a golden Throne
I now understand why the Northeners are so distrustful and so different from the other kingdoms. It makes sense that the Stark men don't do well when they go south.
"Baldrick the Cunning" Gotta love those Blackadder jokes from GRRM.
They should make a show about this, it’ll be awesome and similar to the last kingdom
dont know if anyone gives a shit but if you are bored like me during the covid times you can stream pretty much all of the new series on InstaFlixxer. I've been binge watching with my girlfriend for the last months =)
I'd much rather watch Andal invasion arc than Targaryen civil war arc. GoT anime writers need your comment.
@@qwopiretyu I would be happy as hell to watch a cartoon rendering of any of the stories. I liked the HBO series but that's just too much time and money.
@@qwopiretyu The Andal Invasion takes place over like a thousand years so it'd be pretty difficult to make into a show
@@realbabyeater gonna have to disagree with you there. Anthology. Wouldn't need a main cast, George, or even a showrunner.
The Stark and the Martells are the best House. When one Southern kingdom after another falling to the invaders, the Starks absolutely slaughtered the Andals when they tried to invade the North, with Theon "The Hungry Wolf" Stark invading the invaders and nailing their heads to the prows of his ships.
The Martells of Dorne were the only ones to successfully preserve their independence from the attempted conquests of the Targaryens. The Targs finally gave up and inter married with them bringing them into the fold.
The North and Dorne are the absolute best.
The
The?
my dad
The Starks conquered all of the North, that’s why they became the most powerful Northern house.
The starks are overrated
The Starks are actually mixed Andal and First Men, so…
@@phoenixrose1192 everybody is mixed when we arrive at the got storyline. It has been over 4000 years of living on the same continent, but regardless of that the first man blood stronger everywhere on the continent.
I wonder how different Westeros would be if the Andals never invaded (since Aegon The Conqueror and House Targareyen would still show up anyway)
depends on how useful the children would be against dragons If they were still at large when Aegon attacked then it depends on how useful their sorcery would be against dragons. If it wasn't going to make a difference then not a lot would change
@@MegaAgamon I think the Children could easily defeat 3 mere dragons tbh.
@@ishubetterthanyou1582 yeah i think so too. A
"Baldric the Cunning" that is just... brilliant
The Starks are the best. They don't need dragons, gold, or cruelity to rule the North. They just need to be descent and just.
Theon Stark was a cruel motherfucker, so I don't know what you're talking about. The old Kings of Winter were harsh and fierce.
Theon stark and a Bolton. Just imagine what else they did to those people together.
House Stark is a rich family tho... they have gold.
until their decency and honor is undermined by those who don't play by those rules.
@@ino7604I believe they’re the richest family in the North. The only possible exceptions would be the Manderlys of White Harbor and the Boltons.
The North never forgets!
The North Remembers. King's of Winter. Winter is coming. Honestly, the North/Starks have the best phrases and house words.
i feel that the orange used to mark the stormlands and the yellow used to mark dorne should be switched.
Jack Weinstein martell before nymeria is just a spear. The orange sun didnt exist
The hungry Wolf was friggin Savage...
Its interesting because looking at The Andal invasion and the Theology of the Andals it seems that The Faith of the Seven was specifically created to religiously justify the Andal Invasion of Westeros.
Manifest destiny.
I love CivivilizationX's videos! I remember more things from them than I have learned in school!
yay more ASOIAF!
I miss the old artwork of the children of the forrest
The North and Dorne favor any defending force, because the land itself is a fortress.
Even if an invading army lands unopposed. The invading army will soon start to drop like flies because the North is bitter cold and mostly barren, and Dorne is scorching hot as well as mostly barren.
Also to invade lands is one thing. To actually hold the lands is another. The Young Dragon (Targaryen) “succeeded” in conquering Dorne, until his army returned to King’s Landing.
House Shet lol
I'm gonna take a shett brb
@@SolidusFX07
That's a long ass shett.
This made me sad
So, my question is, if the north stayed independent from the Andals, that means that northerners kept their language and their culture..... so, why they speak the same language? Why the northerners speak the andals language?
They kept some parts of their culture, but the Andals still influenced them heavily, and slowly intermarried with northmen over the years. Plus learning the Andal language would have been better for trade and dealings with the south.
Because GRRM needed everyone to speak the same language, really, that's the only reason one can come up with.
Frankly until now and it has been years no one ever offered an actual plausible explanation for why an entire continent speaks the same language without significant dialectal differences with only class differences being significantly described and used.
G-Rex Saurus Well sometimes, being too realistic can rip you out of the immersion as well. It would be annoying to read how the starks need someone to translate when talking to the Lannisters. It would be realistic but very annoying. And one more thing, Westeros is not as huge as a real continent. Probably larger than England but not as big as a real continent
The common tongue is not Andal language. It is a CONLANG or Constructed Language. It was made so both Andals, First Men, and Rhoynar could have a similar language to understand each other.
An Andal from Andalos wouldn't understand a single word a common tongue speaking Andal from Westeros is saying. Andals in westeros no longer speak their original language, same goes for the Rhoynars of Dorne, First Men of the North, and the forest dwelling wildlings(Ygritte and Tirmund's tribe) beyond the wall.
Raffael Dieminger
"And one more thing, Westeros is not as huge as a real continent. Probably larger than England but not as big as a real continent"
George R. R. Martin has said that Westeros is roughly the same size as the continent of South America, north to south. Horizontally, it’s a bit skinnier.
CivilizationEx Are you planing on doing the elder scrolls series anytime soon?
The most awesome youtuber here :3
sick vid lads
thank the lord for this channel
Can you do a video about the east of the five forts?
that music
Very good video it was interesting AF
I was actually looking for a link like the amazon one before i spent a bunch of money on books. Wish I saw it yesterday lol
All hail king Theon Stark
So "English" in Gerorge R R Martin's works might be called "Andalis" since it is from the Andals.
The "Common Tongue" = English
The "Old Tongue" = The ancient Celtic languages that still live on in Welsh and Gaelic
Come to think of it, I *have* heard that the Andals are basically the Angles from English history, so it makes sense.
And Valyrians are Normans
Yep, Andalis sounds good.
MakaveliSoldier targaryens are the house of normandie yeah but the valyrians are romans
Civ, you should probably mention that Maester believe also that the Andals discovered iron working by themselves as an alternative theory.
Gotta love the cheeky Black Adder references
I hope after the GOT show is over they make a prequel taking place during the long night, or aegons conquest.
During the Long Night would be kinda weird and I can't see it happening.
G-Rex Saurus armies of the undead sweeping through cities and villages, killing everybody in there path. Azor Ahai life story, and how he would defeat the white walkers. That would be pretty epic series if you think about it.
As an epic saga it would work, but it would be 100% different in storytelling, realism and themes(in this case partially so) compared to GoT.
Think about it, it's a world without writing(First Men had some runes), without ironworking(so really primitive warfare), without many political institution(the continent would be mostly tribal) etc.
Oof
I have wondered this for years as CivilizationEx like many channels don't bother to cite the one song they used in the video so after 20-30mins of work on multiple sites i have found that the song name is Change by Charix for those who have been asking for years now like myself.
Not sure where you got that info from, but the song is called 30 second classical and it's by Jason Shaw, link in the description.
@@CivilizationEx ua-cam.com/video/0cqXOEDNRIE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Charix-Topic
My guess is that's a re-upload, 30 second classical has been on the audionautix site for many years
this has to be real history i swear to god
assuming you getting this info from the books?
Bruh the alliance of blackwoods and brackens is a crazy statement
Not really, they've allied (and intermarried) many times throughout the centuries.
The hate between the two families is fairly recent
@@badyoutuber1986 No it is not; it goes back to the Age of Heroes when both families claimed to be Kings of the Riverlands and the other family to be their vassals. The ASOIAF Wiki is your friend.
What is the title of the music in the background?
Andals invading the North, that worked out well.
💥🔥🐉🐲🐉🔥💥
Plz do some videos about the wheel of time!
Coming soon.
Theon stark mother was probably a Bolton
Are there weir woods n dorne ?
Most weirwoods in the south were chopped down apart from those in the Isle of Faces.
What song is this?
First men: Briton/Celts
Andal Invasion: Anglo-saxon invasion
Aegon Conquest: Norman Conquest
-Even the name ANDAL and ANGLO are similar, history tells that anglo saxons came to England when they were hired by local britons in order to defend against Pictish and Irish attacks)
-Aegon conquest is similar to William conquest, both have a proeminent male figure styled as ''Conqueror''
GRRM could not had been more obvious.
House Royces sigil contains first men symbols which are actually Anglo saxon runes
@@mrkitcatt2119 First men are still primarily based on celts. The andals are absolutely mostly based on Anglos
@@matthew-dq8vk yes but they weren't as weak so they were more germainc inclined
@@mrkitcatt2119 Lol as someone of lowland Scottish descent, fuck you man (Last name is Scott my clan was literally border Reivers). You have something against the celts? You seem like some sort of Saxon Supremacist straight out of the 18th century. The English literally had to intermarry with us Scots to keep us from ending you all.
Edit: Lol, You're Northern Irish? You have far more Gaelic Celtic blood than Saxon blood my friend. You are a wannabe for something that isn't even that good.
@@matthew-dq8vk sorry worshipping gods carved into trees I think you should look up such trees in germanic folklore
Whas'nt this already posted already or is the music fault?
This is an updated version of one of my oldest videos.
You should do a series on the universe of Dune.
So pretty much, North=Scotland, First men=Celtics, south=England, Andals=Anglo-Saxons
Yep. Dornish = Moors, Dothraki = Mongols, Iron Islanders = Vikings, Free Cities of Essos = European City-states (Florence, Genoa, Venice, etc). There's a few others, but I don't care to do all the parallels
Plus all the northerners have a northumbrian accent you know true north Yorkshire Lancashire Cumbria and Northumberland
@@12jswilson Valyria = Rome
Ghiscari empire = Carthage, Egypt
Volantis = Constantinople(Tried to reconquer but failed), Alexandria(Geographically)
Braavos = Venice
Dothraki = Huns, Mongols, Arabs, Turks
The North is Northumbria, you mean? Northumbrians would have had mixed Anglo-Saxon, Brythonic and Dane ancestry during the time of England’s unification. That’s why the The North sound Northern English, if anything the Scots are over the wall…
Do not attack a hungry Wolf or the North
So the Arryns are the only ones that are Andals?
The North had the right idea. Go take them out, before they come back again. #NorthRemebers
Baldrick the Cunning. If that's not a reference to Blackadder I don't know what is.
What is the opening song
It's called 30 Second Classical, found at www.audionautix.com/
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Anyone knows how come The North started to speak Common Tongue assuming Common Tongue is an Andal language?
Most likely due to cultural contact, emulation, trade and even perhaps small numbers of migrants from south of the Neck that the Common Tongue aka Andal language slowly supplant the Old Tongue in North except some rural communities and Beyond the Wall. Most likely the Old Tongue is the liturgical language of the Old Gods. I notice that there is a lack of regional dialects of the Common Tongue. Even Valyrian language spoken in Essos has regional dialects that diverged to become separate languages. Westeros should also have regional dialects of the Common Tongue. The Common Tongue in the North should have influence from the Old Tongue with many loanwords incorporated. Common Tongue spoken in Dorne should have Rhoynar influence with many loanwords incorporated. Rhoynar language is spoken primarily by the Orphans of the Greenblood who are descended from Rhoynar settlers on the Greenblood River.
Trying to invade the North is like trying to invade Russia
I love both North and Dorne, while the Andals failed to invade the North, the Targaryen failed to conquer Dorne.
The Targaryens did conquer Dorne but failed to hold it for long.
Dearon the young Dragon would love to disagree
Attacking the North backfired on their part
Then why does jorah gets the name jorah the andal
Because outsiders like the Dothraki consider all Westerosi as Andals.
merle and gwayne were cowards while garth ix was okay
So vikings are andals?
Real recognize real
I see most of how GRrM takes little twists of mostly western history and reforms them into the history of the realm. But I don't know what is the inspiration for the andals and first men.
Andals=Anglo-Saxon
First men=Celts
It's pretty much word for word what happened in real life, just with different names
Anyone have the music track on its own?
Go to audionautix.com and search for "30 Second Classical"
Thank you!
Baldric the cunning! Ha ha ha! Is that intentional or coincidence?
Hi! ;)
so the viking invasions of england
I don't mean to sound childish, but I can't have been the only one who glimpsed at this and read "anal invasion." - And then all it was missing was the "D." This can't be a coincidence.
so at one point the whole island of British Isles and all other smaller islands around it once had Indigenous Celtic Tribes everywhere from channel islands, to scotland, isle of man and isles of scilly. no one really knows how long they where here but they are definitely Native to this island. the Romans and later the Anglo Saxons then conquered us. Northern England I believe is a modern Celtic Nation, because of the many celtic names everywhere, cumbric language once spoken all Over the so called Old North or Hen Ogled, which included cumbria.
First men definitely are based on the celts. Typical celtic looks of either red or some shade of Brown hair with Green or Hazel eyes. Meanwhile the andals are definitely Saxon based tall and blonde haired with blue eye or green eyes
Sounds so much like the history of Britain with the Saxons and shit
6:40 The Lannister actually ARE descendants of First men after all!?!
SHADOWWOLF77
Yes, but, it’s basically completely washed out. I believe the Durrandons (Now Baratheons) were also First Men, But no one considers them that anymore.
Think of it if an African-American had a kid with a white American, then their kid had kids with more white Americans etc. etc., eventually, even though you can trace your ancestry back, you would have no evidence of that ancestry.
@@realdaggerman105 True good point and the Baratheons may actually have been Valyrians as well.
Not really. They died out, and an andal adopted the name.
Kind of like the old Hojo clan in Japan, which died out and later the Hojo name was reused by Hojo Soun and his descendents. Sharing nothing with the old Hojo clan but the name.
@@MMadesen True like the English call themselves "Britons" despite having next to NONE relations to the Welsh (Britons).
Andal invasion
*Correction* Anglo-Saxon-Danes invasion
*Norman
@@metabolismofindominable8219 Nope
@fardeen's podcast Nope
ASOIAF is back!!!
and yet in the north there is House Manderly ho practice the Faith of the Seven
makes you realize the timeline is screwed up, if the andals migrated because of the rise of valyria then why is it that the y arrived before nymeria? nymeria left to also escape valyria but its clear the rhoynar were closer to valyria and should have been conquered before the andals and yet the andals were already in westeros when the rhoynar arrived? Unless house martell is actually descended from the first men and nymeria arrived before the andal invasion
The Valyrian government (for the most part) did not conquer the Andals, independent Valyrian Adventurers did. Valyria itself rarely intervened in these conquests unless absolutely necessary like in the Scouring of Lorath. So it was easier for wealthy/adventurous Valyrian to conquer the north and west of Essos. They also had good relations with the Rhoynar at this time and were trade partners. The big dispute came when Valyria tried to conquer the south, and ran into Rhoynar city states. Even then the conquest was difficult and took many years because the Rohynar were more advanced, powerful and united then the Andals ever were. This happens in real life too, a good example is when Rome conquered Spain before it conquered Gaul, even though Gaul was far closer. And since Valyria is based on Rome, this also makes a lot of sense.
Tristifer Mudd
Lol what a name
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Doce...
How did first men fight with children of the forest with no metal
They had metal? Bronze is good enough for swords, axes, spears, hammers.
why didnt valyreia conquer westeros
So Andals are Normans and First Men are Anglo-Saxons
Neat
Funny, this is not so far from the truth, G. Martin has created First Men as allegory of Insular Celts but he gave them Anglo-Saxon inspired names lol
and Andal names are from cultures of continental europe Cersei,Myrcella,Joffrey,Gregory...
@@Motofanable ye but with northern English accents
No, First men are for sure more like the Celts.
Seems like there was no Normans or Anglo-Saxons but only Andals.
The Andals are the Vandals. Andalos is al Andalús
Who the heck are these 18 people that dislike this and why lol
The Andal invasion
house shett for power ;))))))))))))))
The more you find out about the history of Westeros the more you realize that George Martin really just copied and pasted a lot of real historical events. Don’t get me wrong I think he’s a fantastic writer with a great imagination but this is eerily similar to the Anglo-Saxon invasion of the British isles. After the Roman Empire left the island, the native celts started waring again. One of the clans reached out to the anglo-saxons and offered to pay them to help win land. The Anglo-Saxon’s accepted and then turned on the Celt’s and started conquering the majority of the island. They then tried to conquer Scotland which at that time I believe was called alba. But failed repeatedly, very similar to the north’s ability to keep the Andals out. Which is why the north is still majority first men with their culture intact. Also very similar to the Scottish. The iron islands are also similar to Scandinavian raiders. Their homelands were terrible with little opportunity to grow crops so they resulted to raiding neighboring countries to gain wealth and new land. They were both a sea faring people with a strange and different religion to the mainland. They didn’t have a code of chivalry or were knights they were both warriors wielding axes who for a time conquered all of the Riverlands. Until a new group of people the Targaryens invaded and repelled them back, and I could go on about how the Targaryens are very similar to the Norman’s but my thumbs are tired. I still think Martin is a fantastic write but whenever someone tries to compare him to Tolkien I just point to this copy and paste job.
I'm guessing that they are "inspired" by the real-world Vandals, a Germanic tribe who invaded North Africa and established a kingdom there.
Only the name probably, the story closely resembles the Anglo-Saxon conquest of southern Brittania.
He stole it from Mr bean
Children of forest- Old folk religions
First men-Christianity
Andals-islam
Children of the forest - Non-existent religion
First men - Paganism
Andals - Catholic
Note: History here's a bit different than in the real world, specifically the 7 gods.
First Men: Slavs
Andals: Caucasians
Targeryen: Saxones
TmoDDD doesn’t make any sense since they’re all caucasians
@@comradedoushkin6602 slavs re not caucasians they have black hair(well most of them) and the Targeryen come from an island just like the saxs. Remember slavs re not originally from europe they come from asia.
First men = Celts
Andals = Anglo saxons
Targaryen/Valyrian = Normans. Aegon = William the conqueror
@@comradedoushkin6602 nope valyrian are romans
@@victorfrankenstein5693 Valyrian are romans, and Aegon is descendent of Valyria, just like Normandy (France) is descendent of Rome.
the Andal Invasion is very similar to the Anglo Saxon Invasion of Britain. they fought Britons and pushed them west, I have welsh and Cornish ancestry so I am a real native Briton, maybe one day their maybe a tv series about the Andal Invasion.
Do a dna test
The only difference is that the catholic religion or the faith of the 7 in this version was the reason for the attack and didn't come later on.
“iM a rEal nAtiVe bRiTon” when do you want your medal mister special? Cornish people are genetically completely different from the Welsh. You wanna know why? Because they mixed with the Anglo Saxons
First
*slowclap*
To invade Westeros.
The Andals weren't that good they were only able to the and riverlands, the other houses were able to stay
Well 80% of Westeros follows their Faith and most speak their language, they actually took over most of the Houses. So they won.
G-Rex Saurus Well not zealously as the Andals. I don't think I've seen any zealous people well other than the little fiasco that Cercesi caused
@@TheAztecGamer123
What are you talking about the faith followers had Many bloody religious rebellions against the Targaryens
They were proven to be the best and actually conquered most of Westeros, so what does that make the First Men? And the Targs only won in the end because they had dragons, without them they would have lost to the Andals.
Can we call them "the Germans"?
So the Andal’s basically thought they had white privileged
Andals weren't fair haired. The only reason they left was because their faith wouldn't be allowed in Valyria plus they were Zealots
"But one people, tall and fair-haired, made courageous and indomitable by their faith, succeeded in their escape from Valyria. And those men are the Andals." - World of Ice and Fire
I imagine it's a stereotype, but Civ is right that at the very least it's something in-universe people believe.
G-Rex Saurus even though not a single Andal house is reputed to have fair hair.
Most Southern First Men houses have a lot of Andal blood in them anyway.
House Hardying, House Arryn, House Lannister (post Lydden inheritance), some of House Marbrand are described as red-heads, the Tyrells seem to have light-brown hair, Ser Vardis Egen from the Andalized Vale has silver hair, which can be interpreted as a very light blond. The question is made a bit complicated because Martin hasn't completely named all houses from Westeros. We don't really know where for example the Freys come from. But, as seeing that the inspiration is Medieval England, what are you gonna expect? Some houses will claim to have descended from King Arthur (or the first man) to grant legitimacy to their claims of government. And just as in England, the invaders were tall, blond, fair eyed and brought over the modern culture of Westeros.
the andal invasion is definitely based on when the angles, jutes, and saxons invaded, conquered, destroyed, and assimilated the native Britons, but in most cases fought the Britons our ancestors and took their land. I read somewhere that the Anglo Saxon Invasion was worse than the viking invasions, so I think like in game of thrones, the Anglo Saxons simply conquered and slaughtered our ancestors, but they may have never really controlled the north of england, DNA proves we are more celtic or viking descendants than roman or anglo saxon southern england.
@@cottagecheese2481 Well said! And William the “conqueror” actually did far more damage to the North than the Vikings and the Anglo-Saxons put together. There’s a reason why he still called a different epithet in northern England today (not sure if I’m allowed to say it on here!).
He says “our” ancestors, when the average northerner has more Anglo-Saxon and Viking DNA than Brythonic…
Northumbria was also last remaining kingdom Aethelstan conquered from the Vikings. If the Anglo-Saxons never controlled the North, England would not have been unified in Athelstan’s reign. 😂