Catching in Gen 2 is hilariously BUSTED!

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  • Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
  • In order to get ready for the Gen 2 Living Pokédex, I looked into Gold & Silver's catching mechanics. What I have discovered was too funny not to share.
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    Chapters:
    0:00 Introduction
    0:21 How Capture works
    1:05 Hit Points
    2:08 Statuses
    3:35 Balls
    5:11 Special Balls
    5:50 Working or Busted?
    12:23 Conclusion
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  • @Lyra
    @Lyra  2 роки тому +911

    Here is the full playlist of videos explaining the catching mechanics in Pokémon: ua-cam.com/play/PL6PeVETu1eqLteWd5dA-vVyOztRDYe8qo.html
    In case you are wondering, from Gen 3 onward, all balls work correctly and do what they say. Gen 1 and 2 are the only ones with such broken catching mechanics. Also, I have learned I pronounce Tangela and Azalea really REALLY wrong. Sorry.

    • @spaceperson741
      @spaceperson741 2 роки тому +14

      From what I've read/witnessed, the apricorn balls in HGSS also apply directly to the Pokemon's catch rate, but caps it at 255. As such, the full bonus of many apricorn balls is not applied and there's plenty of situations where what should be guaranteed captures are anything but, like using a Level Ball on a Route 1 Pokemon with full health. What's more, no apricorn ball helps catching Pokemon with a catch rate of 255 already. I don't think this is unintended, but it's very interesting to me, personally.

    • @callicosis8569
      @callicosis8569 2 роки тому +20

      I’m not wondering about that, I’m wondering about what drove you to *voice a NidokingxNidoking bit*

    • @renakunisaki
      @renakunisaki 2 роки тому +2

      @@spaceperson741 wouldn't 255 be a guaranteed catch anyway?

    • @spaceperson741
      @spaceperson741 2 роки тому +3

      @@renakunisaki Nope. It’s about 1/3 or 1/4-ish. Don’t remember exactly, but not guaranteed.

    • @keiyakins
      @keiyakins 2 роки тому +13

      There was that bug where beldum was so heavy it rolled over the heavy ball to have a 0% chance in gen 7, but that was patched.

  • @wesleyoldham4222
    @wesleyoldham4222 2 роки тому +2409

    What Blaine says: "You better have Burn Heal!"
    What he means: "You should evolve your Nidorino."

    • @pkmntrainermark8881
      @pkmntrainermark8881 Рік тому +150

      Solid advice in a Fire Gym.

    • @victoriousf.i.g.3311
      @victoriousf.i.g.3311 Рік тому +119

      You have to have all 6 members of your team learn Blizzard, then use strength on the first Sudowoodo to yank it out of the ground, jam Moltres into the now-empty hole, use a Burn Heal on Moltres, then have all 6 pokemon on your team use Blizzard in a single battle. Moltres will then evolve into a convoluted playground myth.

    • @molassesman4066
      @molassesman4066 Рік тому +28

      @@victoriousf.i.g.3311 fuck i think you killed me
      This is too stupid
      I need to turn into the stand notorious BIG

    • @dse763
      @dse763 Рік тому +10

      Considering that Nidoking gains Ground typing when evolving is quite fitting.

    • @daarom3472
      @daarom3472 Рік тому +14

      @@molassesman4066 tbf I also laughed as a kid 25 years ago when someone told me to talk to an old man in the 2nd city, then fly to the island and surf along the coast to find a thing that multiplies your items...

  • @Dukstless
    @Dukstless 2 роки тому +4997

    Moon Ball is literally an oversight, the game points to Moon Stone ID... from Generation 1, even though Moon Stone was moved 2 slots behind in Generation II and in its place is now Burn Heal.

    • @jazuqua
      @jazuqua 2 роки тому +507

      The Moon Stone was already moved back in Spaceworld '97 too seemingly, and the Burn Heal takes its place in the index.
      So whoever added the Moon Ball's effect must not have been informed that it had been moved way back.

    • @Oboromaru
      @Oboromaru 2 роки тому +304

      Or... Burn heals are made out of crushed up moon stones in gen 2! 😂

    • @Cool_Kid95
      @Cool_Kid95 2 роки тому +76

      @@Oboromaru they’re sussy wussy imposters

    • @BictorBedeFan
      @BictorBedeFan 2 роки тому +128

      wow! you said sussy! that’s so funny!

    • @Whfox
      @Whfox 2 роки тому +45

      @@jazuqua Or maybe it was one of the first programmed items and they forgot to update it.

  • @shinespider
    @shinespider Рік тому +531

    Personally, I find it very odd and interesting that the Moon Ball actually checks the target pokemon to see how it evolves, rather than just consulting a pre-compiled list of moonstone evolvers.

    • @a-s-greig
      @a-s-greig Рік тому +46

      Yeah, checking it against 4 items in the index doesn't sound difficult at all to code

    • @mystereoheart2579
      @mystereoheart2579 Рік тому +87

      @@a-s-greig I wonder if it was a space issue. Gen 2 notoriously had limited space on its cartridge until Satoru Iwata was brought on to optimize the code.

    • @therealax6
      @therealax6 Рік тому +69

      @@mystereoheart2579 Writing out the check "normally" wouldn't make any real difference. (In fact, it's probably a space saving, because you'd just read from a local table instead of using far calls to retrieve the evolution data from a different ROM bank.) It's just good design to check your existing data instead of duplicating it... if only they checked for the right value, too.

    • @LuminousLead
      @LuminousLead 9 місяців тому +18

      I imagine it future proofs it a bit and insulates it against evolution design changes.

    • @katier9725
      @katier9725 8 місяців тому +18

      ​​@@LuminousLeadProbably the logical explanation, yes. Future-proofing is hard, but a LOT of things will go wrong in programming if you don't commit to it.
      Like, imagine if they had actually made a list of moon stone evolvers. Now what? They would need to change the list every single time a new moon stone evolver gets added, or possibly even removed. One pointer - at the moon stone evolution item itself - should take care of that. Just make sure that one pointer is actually correct.

  • @Tine_of_Nice_Dreams
    @Tine_of_Nice_Dreams 2 роки тому +653

    This is honestly so validating. I still remember hunting Raikou with fast balls and being pissed, among a general feeling that things were not right with the apricorn balls

    • @Lord_necromancer
      @Lord_necromancer Рік тому +64

      I legit never used them at all. It was just too irritating trying to get them in the first place when Ultra Ball exists and can be purchased hundreds at a time. It is funny seeing that I was accidentally correct in not using them lol

    • @AngelStickman
      @AngelStickman Рік тому +6

      This explains so much. I noticed the same thing.

    • @trinidadmetroid
      @trinidadmetroid 9 місяців тому +13

      OMG....i knew i wasnt the only one. Apricorn balls were SHIT

    • @ThatPianoNoob
      @ThatPianoNoob 8 місяців тому +1

      Fast balls were the only special balls anybody used iirc. Since it is hard to tell what's luck and what's intentional I never knew it was bogus.
      Then again I only ever caught one of them.

    • @jackashmore
      @jackashmore 7 місяців тому +1

      I used a master ball on shiny raikou, caught suicune on my third ultra ball...never got entei

  • @MDLuffy1234YT
    @MDLuffy1234YT 2 роки тому +3085

    10:52 Imagine healing a Nidorino's burn and it just decides to evolve.

    • @grassfish01
      @grassfish01 2 роки тому +281

      So the Moon Ball only works on Blaine, got it

    • @stellarknight04
      @stellarknight04 2 роки тому +310

      @@grassfish01 "YOU BETTER HAVE MOON BALL"

    • @tedscheett9420
      @tedscheett9420 2 роки тому +128

      Ingredients to make Burn Heal include (but are not limited to):
      Rawst Berry Extract
      Aloe Vera
      Disinfecting Agents
      And Moon Stone Powder.

    • @dabmonstr7403
      @dabmonstr7403 2 роки тому +55

      It just evolved through sheer happiness when I touched it. What where you doing to it

    • @miimiiandco.8721
      @miimiiandco.8721 2 роки тому +37

      That doesn't sound like the worst evolution ever. Maybe different heals make the Pokemon evolve differently.

  • @tedscheett9420
    @tedscheett9420 2 роки тому +1873

    Blaine was always two steps ahead of us. He knew that Burn Heal had many other, how you might say... unconventional uses.

    • @camharkness
      @camharkness 2 роки тому +69

      the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be..... unnatural

    • @lpfan4491
      @lpfan4491 2 роки тому +34

      @@camharkness The dark side of the burn heal.

    • @tedscheett9420
      @tedscheett9420 2 роки тому +13

      @@camharkness Is it possible to learn this power?

    • @jacobmolles6731
      @jacobmolles6731 2 роки тому +20

      @@tedscheett9420 not from a jedi...

    • @nyr_Ea
      @nyr_Ea 2 роки тому +18

      There's a reason he was in Team Rocket in the manga

  • @sonicrunn3r895
    @sonicrunn3r895 2 роки тому +733

    The moon ball working on Pokemon that evolve with a burn heal absolutely broke me. They messed up the catch rate mechanics on the ball that only helps with literally 4 Pokemon in the entire game.

  • @2l84me8
    @2l84me8 2 роки тому +1353

    I remember using the Fast ball against the roaming legendaries.
    My pain finally came full circle…

    • @rightouskofi7861
      @rightouskofi7861 2 роки тому +35

      Just clone your master balls....

    • @2l84me8
      @2l84me8 2 роки тому +6

      @@rightouskofi7861 ye.

    • @juovlaniga6869
      @juovlaniga6869 2 роки тому +121

      @@rightouskofi7861 just remember that the game came out before internet was in every household, even then people found out of the glitch way later in the games life span

    • @rightouskofi7861
      @rightouskofi7861 2 роки тому +25

      @@juovlaniga6869 No offense but I grew on an island of 5000 people in the population. If me and MANY of my friends knew I'm sure most people could find out.

    • @rightouskofi7861
      @rightouskofi7861 2 роки тому +5

      @@juovlaniga6869 I mean I was on an island that's usually behind America with technology and I had internet since about 99 00 and my mom was just a substitute teacher..... internet wasn't that expensive did you grow up in those times ? How old are you?

  • @borkbork9541
    @borkbork9541 2 роки тому +1299

    I can only Imagine the horror of the guy who put in the slightly incorrect hex value for the item the moon ball looks for, finding out it looks for BURN HEAL EVOLUTIONS.

    • @hunter00143
      @hunter00143 2 роки тому +68

      Now it's got me wondering if there's a glitch method to actually evolve something by using a burn heal on it

    • @HomeCookinMTG
      @HomeCookinMTG 2 роки тому +69

      @@hunter00143 no it's two different coding things. At least in my experience using ROM editors. I'm pretty sure each Pokemon is individually coded to have a specific trigger for its evolution. You would have to manually go in and change the code on each specific Pokemon you wanted to evolve that way.

    • @Ch1pp007
      @Ch1pp007 2 роки тому +30

      It would have been fun if they'd had that as part of the gameplay though e.g.: Eevee used Burn Heal. Eevee is evolving into Glaceon.

    • @emperortoho
      @emperortoho 2 роки тому +46

      apparently it was because gold and silver uses different hex values for items than red and blue, and burn heal’s hex number in gs was moon stone’s hex number in rb

    • @idain8325
      @idain8325 2 роки тому +19

      @@HomeCookinMTG Correct. Their learnset table also includes their evolution method and its parameters, and no Pokémon has a Burn Heal as an evolution item.

  • @Altais_
    @Altais_ 2 роки тому +548

    You can't casually mention the broken Gen 1 catching mechanics and not make a video on it.
    Jokes aside, this was a really cool video and it's presentation was very well done. Great job on it!

    • @verburnerquestionmark3653
      @verburnerquestionmark3653 2 роки тому +27

      I got curious and checked it out. The formular is pretty complicated.
      Summary is that it mostly works as intended, but they forgot to give the ultra ball it's (second) modifyer, so it's essentially worse than superball in most situations and the random number generation is also pretty faulty which makes the rates different than intended. A few highlights:
      - Safari Ball is essentially the same as a Ultra Ball, but that effectively makes it WORSE than a Pokeball-
      - The ball "missing" on legendaries is not really a special mechanic or something. It's just part of how the failure text is generated. Essentially, fail is fail though.

    • @alphasierrazulu
      @alphasierrazulu 2 роки тому +16

      Good news, homie

  • @Talimara1
    @Talimara1 Рік тому +52

    I’m seeing a lot of people that tried to use the fast ball on the legendary dogs and only now found out why it never worked. I have the opposite problem. I caught Entei on my fifth try with a fast ball somehow, so I spent the rest of my Pokemon days wondering why I couldn’t catch anyone else with them.

  • @mcsmileycorp
    @mcsmileycorp 2 роки тому +280

    The worst thing about the moon ball in gen 2 is that the game doesn't even keep track of the ball you used to catch a pokemon.
    So you can't even just use it to catch something then transfer it to later games if you're playing the virtual console version.
    It's genuinely just an incredibly useless item.

    • @nidohime6233
      @nidohime6233 2 роки тому +21

      So are you saying if you catch a Pokémon with a Moon Ball from Pokémon Gold VC, transfer to a newer generation and still doesn't show up? That's very dumb if you ask me.

    • @sikusher
      @sikusher 2 роки тому +57

      @@nidohime6233 That's correct. All pokemon transferred from VC will be in a pokeball no matter the ball they were caught in.

    • @DarkBowser64
      @DarkBowser64 2 роки тому +64

      @@nidohime6233 Yeah, the game just flat out doesn't save what ball they were caught in. It's just not in the data of Gen 2. So it just transfers as a standard Poke Ball.

    • @Garvant_
      @Garvant_ Рік тому +23

      Thats a shame the special balls look super cool

    • @zero1zerolast393
      @zero1zerolast393 Рік тому +6

      @@sikusher I mean, why would they, the throw animation sprite looks the same for all pokemon balls

  • @DynamoTwentyTwo
    @DynamoTwentyTwo 2 роки тому +143

    I learned about the level ball when I found a shiny abra, since I already knew about the Fast Ball glitch I wanted to look it up and make sure I was actually getting a better catch rate than if I just chucked an ultra ball. I didn't fully understand all the technical gobbledygook I found, but at the very least I came to the conclusion that "ignores HP% and status modifiers" couldn't possibly make things worse in my scenario. I think in the end it was a 100% catch chance, which I definitely needed to avoid a heart attack while the ball was shaking.

    • @Pocketjuju22
      @Pocketjuju22 Рік тому +4

      Man I found a shiny Abra once outside the daycare center grass. It teleported after escaping the ball I I threw :(

    • @samueldubois6484
      @samueldubois6484 Рік тому +16

      @@Pocketjuju22 that's what shiny abras do, ruin your day

    • @EternalxFrost
      @EternalxFrost Рік тому +2

      @@samueldubois6484 Fucking literally mon gars

    • @Morgil27
      @Morgil27 9 місяців тому +1

      Reminds me of when I found a shiny Skuntank in Gen 4 that used the move Memento immediately after breaking out of a Quick Ball.

  • @Gamingslave
    @Gamingslave 2 роки тому +20

    Lol @10:30 why do i feel like "no need to hide it in the code" could be a commonly used slang phrase in the future.

  • @Dojibu
    @Dojibu 2 роки тому +82

    That explains so much. Remember being so tilted when those fast balls I had curt craft daily never made it past the first wobble on raikou, entei and suicune

  • @AlizeeYeezy
    @AlizeeYeezy 2 роки тому +618

    Can't believe I wasted all that time making fast balls for the legendary dogs lol. Good video!

    • @Xenotypal
      @Xenotypal 2 роки тому

      ayyye alizee yeezy

    • @paulonavarro7095
      @paulonavarro7095 2 роки тому +32

      Me too! Until I realized I was better off just throwing ultra balls bcs these fast balls are shit

    • @ryomaanime4563
      @ryomaanime4563 2 роки тому +7

      I made myself a mean look golbat, to trap them. It didn't work

    • @comics4556
      @comics4556 2 роки тому +2

      For some reason it worked for raikou

    • @rezzbuilds8343
      @rezzbuilds8343 2 роки тому +26

      @@comics4556 that some reason is luck

  • @Kohchu
    @Kohchu 2 роки тому +272

    Wow, I've played through Gold and Silver hundreds of times, and I never even thought about why Pokeballs tend to misbehave in this game. But 90% of the time, I only have Kurt craft Heavy Ball anyway; because there's only 1 Snorlax in GSC and if you don't have a healthy stockpile, he's gonna give you problems.
    But I had no idea the other Balls were coded so badly, especially the Moon Ball, that's just downright hilarious to me; how they messed up the item ID that poorly to detect an item that has zip to do with evolution; the Fast Ball also surprised me, since i always thought it worked based on Pokemon's speed and the turn of the battle; so if the Pokemon was fast, and it was turn 2, you'd have a super high chance to catch them... Tangla, Magnemite and Grimer lol, wow that's dumb.
    This was quite a fascinating list to witness.

    • @alexandratheavenger3436
      @alexandratheavenger3436 2 роки тому +6

      Just cheat in masterballs, life is too short and time is too precious to waste pulling out your hair trying to lower HP without making the Pokemon faint.

    • @Kohchu
      @Kohchu 2 роки тому +7

      @@alexandratheavenger3436 I mean, for the most part; catching Pokemon really isn't that hard to the point you can't just throw Ultra Balls at it and get it 90% of the time. It just takes patience. Not to mention, False Swipe is always a good option if you just want to easily catch Pokemon.
      Still, in Gen 1 only, the Master Ball method takes priority thanks to Missingno. In all Gens after that, I generally save it on the off chance I encounter either a Shiny that can explode, or a roamer Legendary.

    • @DJFracus
      @DJFracus 2 роки тому +16

      @Mcheetah That's not what Quick Ball does. It only gets a boosted catch rate turn 1 - by turn 2 it's already normal. It also isn't affected by the Pokemon's speed.

    • @SuperLucky7
      @SuperLucky7 2 роки тому +5

      Moon Ball looking up the item ID for Burn Heal instead of Moon Stone was likely the result of looking at the wrong table of item IDs, since Burn Heal in Gen 2 uses the same item ID Moon Stone used in Gen 1.

    • @matthewschlotterbeck8819
      @matthewschlotterbeck8819 2 роки тому

      @@Kohchu I thought False Swipe wasn't introduced until Gen IV?🤔

  • @LetsPlayKeldeo
    @LetsPlayKeldeo 2 роки тому +353

    Id love to see a companion video on how busted Gen 1 Mechanics really were when you are done with this series I bet id would be a fun thing ti dive into and just see how much ductape is holding gen 1 toegther

    • @juanjotur114
      @juanjotur114 2 роки тому +8

      Its just a ball of ducktape, mixed inside glue at this point

    • @greyscaleadaven
      @greyscaleadaven 2 роки тому +6

      @Mcheetah I will say I feel this about the competitive meta. Like it's so interesting to me, and I really do hope Gen 1 formats that include more pokemon start taking off like OU has, because they're surprisingly compelling and very unique. I also like little cup which has a similar amount of jank, so I guess this makes sense. I'm not even really a genwunner or whatever, just interested in busted machanics, some of them IMO being fun changes like the crit formula (getting rewarded for speed and critical hits is kinda like a dexterity stat, and the DnD player in me loves that for some reason). Yeah, psychic types really should have better counters, but other then that I enjoy the meta thoroughly. Especially with pokemon like Poliwrath who provide such an interesting blend of good and bad traits competitively.

    • @wanderingrandomer
      @wanderingrandomer 2 роки тому

      @Mcheetah I completely agree with this

    • @aliensarerealttsa6198
      @aliensarerealttsa6198 2 роки тому +1

      Yes.

    • @tori_girlonline800
      @tori_girlonline800 2 роки тому +3

      So you want a video that's 20 hours long? 😅

  • @rooislangwtf
    @rooislangwtf 2 роки тому +85

    I remember using fastballs against the legendary dogs and wondering why I went through all this effort for something that doesn't seem to work, now I feel justified

  • @rcookie5128
    @rcookie5128 2 роки тому +38

    I'm such a sucker for Gen 2 nostalgia, thanks for using the original OST as bg music in this video!

    • @johnnoreau3570
      @johnnoreau3570 2 роки тому +1

      Gen 2 was one of my favorites a couple months ago found a copy of gold for $60 and my gf had a blue game boy advanced soo. I’ve been playing for nostalgia.

    • @rcookie5128
      @rcookie5128 2 роки тому

      @@johnnoreau3570 Nice mate!

  • @arnak2606
    @arnak2606 2 роки тому +150

    You are reeeeeeaaaaally great at this UA-cam thing ! It's always nice to know more about broken and unknown stuff in games, thanks o/

  • @the_real_swiper
    @the_real_swiper 2 роки тому +17

    Don't forget the moonball. It's a very useful item for catching pokemon, which use burnheal to evolve.

  • @wellplayod1957
    @wellplayod1957 2 роки тому +20

    I would love to see more videos like these. For some reason learning the inner workings of games I’ve played to death almost feels like the final frontier to mastering them! :D

  • @TDAdvocate
    @TDAdvocate 2 роки тому +2

    This was an incredibly fun video. I'd honestly love to see a video like this covering each generation's formulas just cause it's the perfect amount of nerdy but also fun and informative. Keep up the great work!

  • @alphakakcmeddlakadoofahkii3362
    @alphakakcmeddlakadoofahkii3362 2 роки тому +14

    Absolute banger of a video! I love the effort, the presentation and all the little details. When I looked up how many subs you had I expect something along 250k.
    Dude, keep up the awesome work, it will pay off!

  • @PhazonOmega
    @PhazonOmega Рік тому +14

    This explains why the special balls never seemed to work for me. I love how this channel, in two videos, clarified half of the Pokeissues I had as a kid. Yes, I used the apricorn balls. No, they never seemed to work.

  • @adamsmith9898
    @adamsmith9898 2 роки тому +10

    I went and instant subscribe to you after seeing one of first videos ever. As someone who grew up in this era and have a strong nostalgia and love about Gold & Silver this video was very well put together. And i loved how you took so much interesting facts that even to this day i did not know hahah. Keep it up man great content!

  • @IsaMariaUu
    @IsaMariaUu 2 роки тому +3

    I'm so glad I found your channel. I've been watching a few of your videos and your content reminds me of the type of Pokemon content I was watching on YT a few years ago. Simple, straight to they point, and breaking down the game mechanics in a way that makes sense. I have learned so much information I didn't know about these 20+ years old games just from the few videos I have watched of yours. I love your work so far!

  • @GBlockbreaker
    @GBlockbreaker 2 роки тому +93

    ok but the level ball bypassing catch rate actually sounds kinda useful

    • @shanerpressley
      @shanerpressley 2 роки тому +41

      I think the catch rate can only IMPROVE if it is calculated since I can't think of a negative factor going into it

    • @EpicMathTime
      @EpicMathTime 2 роки тому +31

      @@shanerpressley Yes. "Bypassing the catch rate" is never useful.

    • @SeanWheeler100
      @SeanWheeler100 2 роки тому +3

      Doesn't the Master Ball bypass the catch rate?

    • @ryangallagher9723
      @ryangallagher9723 2 роки тому +12

      @@SeanWheeler100 no, it has a 255x multiplier iirc, which in practice is a distinction without a difference because it always results in a 100% catch rate.

    • @SeanWheeler100
      @SeanWheeler100 2 роки тому +5

      @@ryangallagher9723 Yeah, it maxes out the chances so that it captures successfully no matter what, so in a way it bypasses all catch rates.

  • @SoftwareAgentsTV
    @SoftwareAgentsTV 2 роки тому +36

    Good informative video. I knew most of this, but did not know that Paralysis doesn't do JACK in Gen 2. No wonder I've always had much better success with sleep!

  • @kyu2813
    @kyu2813 2 роки тому +48

    When I was young playing this game, I thought it was so cool to make custom pokeballs, but I had a suspicion that they had little to no effect... Maybe sometimes it did?? I wasn't too sure, so I just stopped using it LOL your video confirms it. How did you even figure this out?? And now I'm REALLY curious how Gen 1 balls worked😂 please make a part 2 video about it!! This was so fun to watch

  • @kleptrep94
    @kleptrep94 Рік тому +10

    Now I want to see a pokemon in Scarlet and Violet who evolves via different heals.

  • @xylsky1300
    @xylsky1300 2 роки тому +29

    I knew there waa something off about those kurt made pokeballs. As a kid I always saved the fast one for the legendary dogs lmao i always wondered why none of them seemed to work

  • @JC-hi8fk
    @JC-hi8fk 2 роки тому +57

    I know this is common to say for smaller channels but you really deserve more subs/views! I find your series so interesting

  • @syu_ra
    @syu_ra Рік тому +9

    i had this recommended to me a while ago but didn't watch it until now, choosing instead to watch your gen 1 living dex series first, i just wanted to say that i really like the style of your informative and scripted videos like this one and hopefully you keep up the quality like this in the future :)

  • @Seany1616
    @Seany1616 9 місяців тому +2

    9:08 i refuse to believe this choice of words was unintentional

  • @dragooncroft
    @dragooncroft 2 роки тому +20

    Would love to see a video on gen 1 PokeBall mechanics next!

  • @kalkuttadrop6371
    @kalkuttadrop6371 2 роки тому +36

    Love your channel! Currently sperging on Gen 3 Pokemon, hoping to catch em all!
    Something I wanted to mention. If you were doing it on actual hardware, you could save a lot of time in Gen 1 using Stadium. You can win all of the “choice Pokemon” (Fossils, Hitmons, Starters, and Eevee) as prizes for competing the challenge.

    • @nehemiasvalentin
      @nehemiasvalentin 2 роки тому

      What's sperging ?

    • @Meandmyshadowclones
      @Meandmyshadowclones 2 роки тому +4

      @@nehemiasvalentin strongly obsessing over. It's in reference to Asperger Syndrome, a type of autism, for which one of the most notable signs is an extreme or very strong interest or attachment to a particular subject or hobby. This often results in them knowing just about everything there is to know about a subject, and people with Asperger's often find success as experts in their field.
      I have it, and my focus is video game design, which brought me here, because I love learning stuff like this.

    • @lightyagami3492
      @lightyagami3492 2 роки тому +2

      @@Meandmyshadowclones That is very interesting. I didn't know that what it was called because I also have that intense desire sadly it's not with something that it profitable in any way but i have it.

    • @Meandmyshadowclones
      @Meandmyshadowclones 2 роки тому +1

      @@lightyagami3492 eh, profitable or not, if it brings you joy, go for it.

    • @lightyagami3492
      @lightyagami3492 2 роки тому

      @@Meandmyshadowclones That is true and yes i do go for it :)

  • @babytiny5807
    @babytiny5807 2 роки тому +3

    Using the Pokemon's primary colour in the font next to it at around 4:20 is such a nice touch. I didn't realize how nice a colour Wooper is rocking

  • @PerryProject_
    @PerryProject_ 2 роки тому +3

    These videos are great. Very informative and well put-together definitely Subbed

  • @Zutentu
    @Zutentu 2 роки тому +13

    After seeing you in my recommended list, I binge watched all of your videos. Crazy to see only 102 subs, with the quality of the content on the channel. I'm looking forward seeing it grow and it's great to be a part of that :)

    • @tb8654
      @tb8654 2 роки тому

      Dang bruh since your comment 11 days ago he's now at several thousand lol

    • @Zutentu
      @Zutentu 2 роки тому

      @@tb8654 that is crazy. I didn't even notice that, until your comment 0.0 Glad he finally gets the attention he deserves!

  • @depressedkermit5337
    @depressedkermit5337 2 роки тому +15

    Ah I feel so dumb using status like paralysis thinking I was increasing my catch odds 😔

    • @reillywalker195
      @reillywalker195 Рік тому +1

      In fairness, paralysis at least helps the Pokémon you have out survive longer and slows your target from running out of PP.

  • @clembule2201
    @clembule2201 2 роки тому +1

    Very well made video you’ve got me hooked, can’t wait to see more!

  • @mootje333
    @mootje333 2 роки тому +1

    Side note but this channel is amazing! I highly appreciate all the work you put into it and im excited to see more

  • @willbowden6897
    @willbowden6897 2 роки тому +5

    Excellent content! I'd love to see more stuff like this on your channel too.

  • @raidenakasaucyjack9005
    @raidenakasaucyjack9005 2 роки тому +5

    13:03 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

  • @danilomazur9424
    @danilomazur9424 2 роки тому +1

    I laughed so much, that you instantly gained a subscriber, nice job, loved it

  • @eronth
    @eronth 2 роки тому +4

    I need to hear about these Gen1 mechanics. I've really liked the great ball since childhood because it "seemed" better when I played Gen1. I fully understood that it was likely a bias, but it's just a game so I'll indulge myself. Finding out that it actually WAS better is very intriguing to me.

    • @Lyra
      @Lyra  2 роки тому +1

      Thankfully, you won't have to wait long for the Gen 1 video :')

  • @jackofalltrades1145
    @jackofalltrades1145 2 роки тому +21

    The production value on this is insane. Time to binge everything!

    • @Jotari
      @Jotari 2 роки тому +6

      What....no offense to the maker, but it's really not. Most of the video is static screens.

    • @charliecarrot
      @charliecarrot 2 роки тому +2

      It's a powerpoint, but it's put together and presented very well.

    • @Jotari
      @Jotari 2 роки тому +2

      @@charliecarrot Yes, not what I would consider insane production value.

    • @charliecarrot
      @charliecarrot 2 роки тому +1

      @@Jotari Agreed. I think the commenter was more impressed with the amount of information and work put into this video, but production value isn't the thing to praise.

    • @Jotari
      @Jotari 2 роки тому +3

      @@charliecarrot I have a feeling it could be a bot. I've seen quite a few comments recently in general praising production values on UA-cam.

  • @MSOGameShow
    @MSOGameShow 2 роки тому +235

    Honestly the Love Ball working on the same species makes sense. The game takes the pokemon you're using into account, so it would take not only it's gender, but species into account since this would pretty much indicate it's possible (nay, guaranteed) for it to breed (granted, using this logic it could have also increased catch rate by egg groups too, but I can only imagine the kind of glitchy sight that would have given us). Because of this, it almost makes some sense that it would work on pokemon of the same sex due to gender-locked pokemon.

    • @EpicMathTime
      @EpicMathTime 2 роки тому +38

      what

    • @dooplon5083
      @dooplon5083 2 роки тому +14

      tbh it'd probs have been better to use a gender flag that goes up to 3 (3rd would be unknown gender, but since we need a default value for the flag 0 would equal gender 1, 1=gender 2, and 2=gender 3), check if the pokemon is a list of gender-locked exception pokemon (like nidorina/nidorino) then check if the gender is not equal in value to your own (since we filtered out gender 3 at the start). If check 1 fails and the gender is actually gender 3 (unknown), then it might default to some other behavior instead.

    • @bigchungus7870
      @bigchungus7870 2 роки тому +2

      Ayo?

    • @bluegum6438
      @bluegum6438 2 роки тому +18

      Hey man, love is love

    • @Meandmyshadowclones
      @Meandmyshadowclones 2 роки тому +9

      Probably make it egg-group locled instead of species locked, since the intent is to use it for pokemon your current one can breed with, then just include an exception for ditto, who can breed with everything.

  • @KEVINF0X
    @KEVINF0X 2 роки тому +1

    Informative, funny and nicely edited. That's a great vid right there.

  • @kynlem
    @kynlem 2 роки тому

    what a charming video. it’s clear a lot of love went into its creation. subbed!

  • @Boomgaardian
    @Boomgaardian 2 роки тому +8

    I just found your videos. Keep up the good work. I love your living Pokedex challenge

  • @caturiges
    @caturiges 2 роки тому +6

    I will always remember the first time that I went to catch Ho-oh on Pokemon Silver, thinking it would be L40 like Lugia (without having saved for a while) and panicking when I got into the encounter with a L70 legendary. I had to use my L100 HM slave to weaken it using Cut, and watched as every single ball that I had missed its mark. But when I was about to run out of balls and would have to reset and go through the entire tower again, I used a Lure Ball that I had and it actually worked and I catched Ho-oh!

  • @thanib7796
    @thanib7796 2 роки тому +7

    Love how informative this video is! The Moon Ball will forever be my favorite Pokeball.

  • @s0mguy777
    @s0mguy777 2 роки тому +5

    Just picked up a copy of Silver myself and am doing a catch em all run, so this video was very informative :D

  • @WannabeMarysue
    @WannabeMarysue 2 роки тому +9

    just two kings enjoying some love ball. dont be a hater

  • @Cool_Kid95
    @Cool_Kid95 2 роки тому +48

    I always hearing about how broken old Pokémon games are, takes me back to the days of MissingNoXpert. Please do more! 💛

    • @Cool_Kid95
      @Cool_Kid95 2 роки тому +3

      @I don't fist bump people like you. He overreacted about COPPA to an outrageous amount. Does he know he can come back now?!

    • @cornparade6874
      @cornparade6874 2 роки тому +2

      Turns out Pokemon games have always been broken and GF are just really shitty coders. It only truly bit them in the ass in the 3D era because of the exponential workload increase their inefficiency causes.

    • @Cool_Kid95
      @Cool_Kid95 2 роки тому

      @@cornparade6874 Oh?

    • @tme3305
      @tme3305 2 роки тому

      ​@@Cool_Kid95 even past the buggy days of the first 2 pokemon gens, gf have always been shitty, inefficient coders. a lot of people started complaining about graphical/bug issues in pokemon during the switch era, but the signs have always been there. the clearest example are the legendarily slow gen 4 games. you might've seen memes about gen 4 health bars scrolling really slowly compared to other gens. this happens because the gen 4 games only decrease hp by one point every frame for some godforsaken reason. pokemon games have always had poor optimizations like this. gf got away with it in the past because they were working on handheld systems that already had limiting hardware, but that's no longer the case. the switch era isn't a period of unprecedented laziness for gf like some people believe, it's just that the switch has dramatically better specs than what gf have been working with since the creation of pokemon, and that makes their failure to fully take advantage of their hardware's potential much more apparent.

    • @duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa
      @duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa Рік тому +1

      @@Cool_Kid95 is that why he disappeared??

  • @vintagestealth8802
    @vintagestealth8802 2 роки тому +3

    Super interesting video. I’ve never seen a video that goes into catching mechanics before in this amount of depth.
    Edit: You could make a series on all the catching mechanics of all generations and I’d be down to watch all of them.

  • @ghostein.stereo
    @ghostein.stereo 2 роки тому

    This video was really insightful and entertaining :)) thank you!

  • @psionics321
    @psionics321 2 роки тому +12

    10:10 That's very progressive.

  • @AsuraDarkKnight
    @AsuraDarkKnight 7 місяців тому

    I’m glad I found this channel. You have videos about stuff I never knew before

  • @Ashley-mw3wl
    @Ashley-mw3wl 2 роки тому

    Great video, currently working on a Gen2 living dex. So it's good info to know!

  • @EpicMathTime
    @EpicMathTime 2 роки тому +11

    7:09 When deciding how to pronounce "Tangela", have you considered the fact that this Pokemon is like, all _tangled_ and stuff?

    • @frigginresulrum
      @frigginresulrum 2 роки тому +5

      but it IS a tangible pokemon

    • @grizzlybear6377
      @grizzlybear6377 2 роки тому +2

      Now I think there's a tangelo with eyes wrapped up in those vines

    • @christiandegges1663
      @christiandegges1663 2 роки тому +6

      He fucks up the pronunciation of Ho-oh and Azalea Town too

  • @justinrazon7200
    @justinrazon7200 2 роки тому +12

    The burn heal thing was actually surprising. This was a fun video. Keep it up dude!

  • @fqqwfqfwqfwqfw8115
    @fqqwfqfwqfwqfw8115 2 роки тому

    imma sub just because i know how much work a video like this takes to make. Hope to see more videos just like this!

  • @walrusnom
    @walrusnom 2 роки тому +1

    Oh my god! I love the Imakuni music at 7:13! My inner child was going crazy

  • @DanielisAwesome52
    @DanielisAwesome52 2 роки тому +18

    Things like this really explain even the current state of Pokémon. It's no wonder the task of modeling and balancing every Pokemon/Move in one game is too much even for their billions of dollars. It was just never the intent of the developers to make the greatest video game of all time, just to get their idea of monster collection out there.

  • @AlterMannCam
    @AlterMannCam 2 роки тому +3

    11:53 a-zuh-lay-uh town lollll

  • @marias1609
    @marias1609 2 роки тому +1

    That was a great video!! I have the feeling your channel will blow up big time:D

  • @GinkgoPete
    @GinkgoPete Рік тому

    Thank you for the explanation for Burn/Paralysis/Poison. Ive been going insane bc people always doubt me when i say it and now i can point people to nice video explaining that AND more to my doubters.

  • @aminadabbrulle8252
    @aminadabbrulle8252 2 роки тому +7

    I played the game for like 2-3 hours per day and insisted on trying to find and catch everything, so my progress was extremely slow. Thus, a Pokeball for free if I spent a few minutes at the beginning of each session to go to Kurt was nice.

  • @matheusheringer9569
    @matheusheringer9569 2 роки тому

    now i'm looking foward to the rest of series of busted catching

  • @tealram
    @tealram Рік тому +1

    I'm loving your Pokéball videos! Hope ee can get one about Gen 3 :D

  • @booyah344
    @booyah344 2 роки тому +5

    Funfact: in HG/SS a Heavy Ball is capable of one-shoting a sleeping, yet full health Groudon

    • @gengarzilla1685
      @gengarzilla1685 2 роки тому

      Another funfact: It was completely impossible to catch Beldum or the Tapu with a Heavy Ball in SM, as the calculation incorrectly reduces their catch rate to 0 instead of 1.

  • @0V3RDR1VE
    @0V3RDR1VE 2 роки тому +3

    Definately weird channel name, but man this is S+ Tier Content
    Awesome :D
    Definately Subbed

    • @Lyra
      @Lyra  2 роки тому +1

      Well... That's because I made a website :'] Glad to know you are enjoying the video!

  • @BryceRogers_
    @BryceRogers_ 2 роки тому +1

    Almost complete with my Gen 2 living dex on original hardware. Good luck to you on your journey!!! Please vlog and share!

  • @crossgear3042
    @crossgear3042 Рік тому

    These catch rate videos are great. I never knew the spesifics andnits amazing. Id love to see each generations changes and the new balls added.

  • @overlordalfredo
    @overlordalfredo 9 місяців тому +4

    Would be funny if using a burn heal on let's say Mortres would actually evolve it into Pidgey or something 😂

  • @SylviaRustyFae
    @SylviaRustyFae Рік тому +4

    10:00 The love ball is in fact workin as intended, theyre just sayin gay rights lol

  • @shawnveneziano9013
    @shawnveneziano9013 Рік тому

    Dude, you have just recovered so many memories. I DID NOTICE the glitch! And it drove me crazy. Because you could only get a certain number per day as you stated, I never was able to get a large enough number to thoroughly test the statistics but I noticed that none of them did what they said they did. The ones I made and tried out were the moonstone one, the fast one and the Love Ball and none of them were ever more effective than a Pokeball. As a matter of fact, I don't think they ever successfully captured. I got so frustrated I stopped making them and told my friends they were garbage. I had a few friends make some to prove me wrong and the only friend saying they were effective was the friend using the water ones. So.. I guess yeah, all checks out. Lol, this is amazing to see years later, Thanks for making it!

  • @michaelhn11
    @michaelhn11 2 роки тому

    The switch to rival music at 2:50 is so good lol

  • @camerondeberry3419
    @camerondeberry3419 2 роки тому +3

    You just got another sub!

  • @sunla
    @sunla 2 роки тому +9

    Super great video! I love seeing all the errors mapped out, and the way you laid it out made it so much more funny! There were even more than I knew about! Wow!
    Also I'm so so sorry, but I've gotta...
    *Uh-zay-lee-uh
    To pronounce Azalea
    *Tangle-uh
    To pronounce Tangela respectively.
    I'm so sorry, my brain went nuts listening to the pronunciations, but I hate being the nitpicker. Anyway, super nice video! 👍

    • @TekkenGirl4Lyfe
      @TekkenGirl4Lyfe 2 роки тому +1

      _Thank you!_ I knew I couldn't be the only one wanting to point this out!

    • @sunla
      @sunla 2 роки тому

      @@TekkenGirl4Lyfe is really a lovely video and I hate putting a damper on nice things. I just think it takes away from a video when things are mispronounced. And I'm not talking differing dialects or cultural differences, but full-on incorrect. It's just distracting, that's all. We knew what he meant so it doesn't really change much, but I haaad to say it

  • @francis318VH
    @francis318VH 2 роки тому +1

    I remember, as an epic feat when I was a kid, capturing a Lugia in the Crystal edition with... a Lure ball. I guess it had low hp and paralized/slept cause I dont remember, but capturing a Lugia with a lure ball... I will never forget that.

  • @jinboi8813
    @jinboi8813 Рік тому

    Loved your Gen 1 and 2 catching mechanics vid. Wondering if you'll make one for Gen 3 someday.

  • @androsp9105
    @androsp9105 2 роки тому +8

    I always wanted the ability to mix apricorns. If you give Kurt both a green and black apricorn, you get a heavy friend ball that has both of their effects.

  • @taha64ds83
    @taha64ds83 2 роки тому +14

    10:21 the gay ball

  • @MorbidGames666
    @MorbidGames666 2 роки тому

    Wow i been looking for gen 2 content as I'm shiny hunting a few pokemons in that game. And I only just noticed this is ten days old. Im gonna subscribe for more!

  • @RabbitEarsCh
    @RabbitEarsCh Рік тому +1

    This video and the Gen 1 video are fantastic, detailed and well edited, and you did a great job, but saying "balls" that many times is just automatically funny.

  • @diptube6563
    @diptube6563 2 роки тому +7

    Til there's a gay ball

  • @zenitfan4life
    @zenitfan4life 2 роки тому +9

    Never understood how these things worked, only intuitively felt that the heavy ball is meant for Snorlax lol. Thank you for clearing that up!

    • @nidohime6233
      @nidohime6233 2 роки тому +1

      Apart of what there say in the description most Johto balls where badly implemented because the where fewer code writers at the time and since programmes where much more obtuse to use it was easier to have an oversight.

  • @vanguarddawn
    @vanguarddawn 9 місяців тому +1

    10:27 Two kings walking hand in hand

  • @fireheart1231
    @fireheart1231 Рік тому +1

    10:52
    Ay! That's the theme that plays in Marble in Somnium Files!

  • @miimiiandco.8721
    @miimiiandco.8721 2 роки тому +48

    So, the Love Ball is a gay Repeat Ball, in practice.

  • @DrSolarMD
    @DrSolarMD 2 роки тому +9

    11:13 is hilarious, but imagine actually having Pokemon that only evolve after having a certain status condition healed in battle.

  • @MeatballJon
    @MeatballJon 2 роки тому

    I love the Imakuni theme song in there. That game had such great music.

  • @KaliforniaKurupted
    @KaliforniaKurupted 2 роки тому

    Awesome video. Thank you for this

  • @Really_Skunkey
    @Really_Skunkey 9 місяців тому +8

    The love ball proves that literally all pokemon are gay, and this is why so many queer people love pokemon