I have both purchased from Tone Merchants in Anaheim CA in 2003, a Mk1 and a Mk2 w/ 2-4x12 salt & pepper cabs one loaded with Celestion 4xG12K-100, and the other with Celestion 4xG12M-75 -- SOUNDS AMAZING. No tube amp can touch it, going on 21 years now. On the Mk2, CH2 without the boost is closet to a Marshall, and you can get very convincing EVH tones there, on the Mk2.
Just saw this video. Quite a difference between the Mk 1 and the Mk 2. Mk 1 is more compressed, more wet and not as dry, with more texture. Deizel Amps is one of the high gain amps Ive never owned, but my experience with owning numerous versions of the same high gain amps from many different brands, is they can very a lot even if the same exact model, so who knows if what we are hearing is inherit in the design of the mk1 and mk 2, or just these individual amps. But between these two, I would take the Mk 1 hands down. Thanks for the video.
I keep coming back to this video! This time I'm using it to consider whether my Herbert MkIII would benefit from an OD. From your clips, I think I prefer an unboosted Herbert! I switch between Diezel and Mesa Boogie cabs, and the depth knob does a great job to keep the low end controlled yet huge for any cab. From your clips, it seems an OD takes away some of that appeal.
I hope the video is helpful to you in a way. I think Diezels react to front end boosts in a very unique way. It does change the low end response quite dramatically and adds some high mid aggression. The Herberts and the D-Moll as well become very aggressive sounding. For lack of a better term, a good boost just makes the Herbert sound super pissed and cutting. I can't really decide which I prefer, though I think I am leaning towards boosted but I just enjoy how versatile and adaptable these amps are. The power amp controls (deep and presence) and the EQs are very effective on these amps and give you a lot of rope to shape the tonality of the amps to your liking. My video(s) probably don't do the amps justice in that regard because I tend to set and forget. I'm a real knuckle dragger when it comes to that! Thanks for taking time out of your day to leave a comment!
If you want an overdrive but like the un-boosted tones mostly, try the This Heavy Earth Grim. It has a clean blend which allows you to subtly blend in the change you need without hosing the whole tone.. and A TON of adjustability.. And don't forget the internally located, input impedance control. You can try to match that to your amps response or modify it. It's based on a tubescreamer but can also go totally modern. EQ, HPF/LPF, and the gain is actually usable. There is a bite control that also allows you to place where the mid hump is.. And 3 clipping options. The EQ is great because if the bass cut is too extreme, you can pump some back in and find the sweet spot. Super useful when switching guktars/tunings etc. I recommend v1 or v3 of that pedal.
Thank you very much! I might do that at some stage when I put the EL34s back in the mk II. At the same time, I'm not sure if that would make for an interesting video. I didn't really notice much of a difference after putting KT77s in. Some people say the JJ KT77 is an EL34, so there's that. However, I am planning on making a big video if not several videos on the effect of tubes on amp tones using spectograms. The previous videos and probably the next few are my practice runs to make sure the tube test videos don't suck 😂
Hey man, thank you for your effort on this one! Great, really great video! I was wondering about the radial, do you get any extra noise from it?I've read something about noise with hi gain amps.
Thank you! I really like the Radial and didn't notice any additional noise with it. It has a ground lift button on the back that can help with some types of noise
I need to correct my statement. It gets noisy when the guitar is close to it. and mine is either broken or the Radial is in fact garbage. I noticed while making a video that it lets signal through to the amp that is not supposed be active. It leaks. Hence depending on how loud you have your power amp, the amp is driving the puny load resistor in the unit. This is a potential catastrophe waiting to happen. I would not recommend the Radial anymore.
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne It does have that. But it doesn’t have the fuses or LEDs on the outside. All of that is inside. Can’t recall at the moment if mine has the finger pointing and I’m fairly certain mine has the larger Xformers. Thanks for the reply 👍 So FS7 connection is a MKII period end of story??
Pretty much, yeah. The larger transformers also say mk II to me. They may have moved the bias circuit inside later. That wasn't neccessarily a mk II design goal but was dictated by EU law
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Ok man I’m confused again/still. I’m here looking at the amp. I must have consumed too much different Herbert information over the years. Mine does Not have the FS7 port. No finger. Everything is inside. But looking at your amps Xformers mine sure appears to be the larger ones. 🤷🏼♂️
I had both the MKI & MKII. In the end I was disappointed with the MKII as the MKI is more brutal and evil and just more face melting of an amp. I wish I had a chance to test the MKIII.
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne I believe it would be much the same. The reason for the MKII was due to the transformer manufacturer changing so Diezel had to adapt and while at it they corrected some issues with people having high impedance pickups causing distortion CH1. MKIII was more updating it for all the wishes that people wanted but the fundamental change was the transformers.
Very impressed with the editing. Stellar presentation all around! Here's a MkI vs MkIII comparison, but without a Diezel cab: ua-cam.com/video/VoMMHuU91T0/v-deo.html
Thank you very much! This means a lot to me. Yeah, Kyle is the man! Love his channel. The dude is going to be huge. I was doing this at night so I couldn't use a real cab. It's going into my Two Notes Torpedo Live with a GGD Cali IR
I am a real guitar metal trash player and i have the Marshall jvm 410 c and the messa Boogie Dual rec and they both sounds more good and Nice than this Diesel amp really thats My humilde opinión
I'm a Diezel guy through and through but I'm really digging my H&K Triamp mark1 right now. Better clean my Diezels and gain records better. Won't touch any other h&k though.
Sold my jvm410 to help fund a Herbert once was instant regret the marshall was a much better amp then the Herbert mk1 that replaced it it didn't last long. Tempted to try the mk3 Herbert still
I have both purchased from Tone Merchants in Anaheim CA in 2003, a Mk1 and a Mk2 w/ 2-4x12 salt & pepper cabs one loaded with Celestion 4xG12K-100, and the other with Celestion 4xG12M-75 -- SOUNDS AMAZING. No tube amp can touch it, going on 21 years now.
On the Mk2, CH2 without the boost is closet to a Marshall, and you can get very convincing EVH tones there, on the Mk2.
Thanks for all your hard work you put into these videos. I'm glad I have the a 2006 MK1 lol
My pleasure! Thanks for dropping a comment!
Just saw this video. Quite a difference between the Mk 1 and the Mk 2. Mk 1 is more compressed, more wet and not as dry, with more texture. Deizel Amps is one of the high gain amps Ive never owned, but my experience with owning numerous versions of the same high gain amps from many different brands, is they can very a lot even if the same exact model, so who knows if what we are hearing is inherit in the design of the mk1 and mk 2, or just these individual amps. But between these two, I would take the Mk 1 hands down. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for this. My Mk1 has been in storage for a while now, but it is exactly how I remember it.
This is a great compliment to me! Thanks for watching!
just the video i was looking for, thanks and great job!
Great video. Also the points you mentioned in the comparison regarding pot tolerance make total sense :)
omg man... that song in the intro is amazing! congrats to your old band!
Thanks! This comment made my day!
coolest intro out of all the gear channels. the "yay, boo" was hilarious
Haha! Glad you got a laugh out of it. It's been so long since I made this video
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne yeah man the contents so good I’m heading back watching it all. Your channel’s awesome! The content, humour, riffs. Has it all
@@riverstone5994 you just made my day! Thank you
Great video man, really appreciate it.
Glad you liked it
I keep coming back to this video! This time I'm using it to consider whether my Herbert MkIII would benefit from an OD. From your clips, I think I prefer an unboosted Herbert! I switch between Diezel and Mesa Boogie cabs, and the depth knob does a great job to keep the low end controlled yet huge for any cab. From your clips, it seems an OD takes away some of that appeal.
I hope the video is helpful to you in a way. I think Diezels react to front end boosts in a very unique way. It does change the low end response quite dramatically and adds some high mid aggression. The Herberts and the D-Moll as well become very aggressive sounding. For lack of a better term, a good boost just makes the Herbert sound super pissed and cutting. I can't really decide which I prefer, though I think I am leaning towards boosted but I just enjoy how versatile and adaptable these amps are. The power amp controls (deep and presence) and the EQs are very effective on these amps and give you a lot of rope to shape the tonality of the amps to your liking. My video(s) probably don't do the amps justice in that regard because I tend to set and forget. I'm a real knuckle dragger when it comes to that!
Thanks for taking time out of your day to leave a comment!
If you want an overdrive but like the un-boosted tones mostly, try the This Heavy Earth Grim. It has a clean blend which allows you to subtly blend in the change you need without hosing the whole tone.. and A TON of adjustability.. And don't forget the internally located, input impedance control. You can try to match that to your amps response or modify it.
It's based on a tubescreamer but can also go totally modern. EQ, HPF/LPF, and the gain is actually usable. There is a bite control that also allows you to place where the mid hump is.. And 3 clipping options. The EQ is great because if the bass cut is too extreme, you can pump some back in and find the sweet spot. Super useful when switching guktars/tunings etc.
I recommend v1 or v3 of that pedal.
I think overall I liked the MK1 better. Better cleans and to me the gain was a bit more saturated.
OH MY GOD IT'S JERN BREEERRNN
The mark 2 is lacking when you start to crank it up. It flattens out. Mk1 just gets better.
I just tested the brainworx diezel Herbert Amp sim and it sounds sooo good. Maybe this would be worth another comparison video.
Thanks for another great suggestion! Please keep 'em coming!
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne they also have a original VH4 and Engl Savage MK1 and Retro Tube plugin. 😎🤘
Great video brother!
Thanks, man! I love your videos!
Really love your video man. Can u do EL34 vs KT77 for the herbert as well? 😊
Thank you very much!
I might do that at some stage when I put the EL34s back in the mk II. At the same time, I'm not sure if that would make for an interesting video. I didn't really notice much of a difference after putting KT77s in. Some people say the JJ KT77 is an EL34, so there's that.
However, I am planning on making a big video if not several videos on the effect of tubes on amp tones using spectograms. The previous videos and probably the next few are my practice runs to make sure the tube test videos don't suck 😂
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Nice, thanks again for the video🤘🏻😊
Hey man, thank you for your effort on this one! Great, really great video! I was wondering about the radial, do you get any extra noise from it?I've read something about noise with hi gain amps.
Thank you! I really like the Radial and didn't notice any additional noise with it. It has a ground lift button on the back that can help with some types of noise
I need to correct my statement. It gets noisy when the guitar is close to it. and mine is either broken or the Radial is in fact garbage. I noticed while making a video that it lets signal through to the amp that is not supposed be active. It leaks. Hence depending on how loud you have your power amp, the amp is driving the puny load resistor in the unit. This is a potential catastrophe waiting to happen.
I would not recommend the Radial anymore.
Mk II for high gain
Mk I for cleans
Mk 1 has a magic about it. Must be the transformers. Played a mk 1 and liked it as much as my vh2. Owned a mk 2 and couldn't stand it.
Does the Mk2 sound like a boosted Mk1 to anyone else?
two notes Torpedo Captor
にて、diezel mk2は使えますか？
300wなので、Torpedo Captorは100wなので無理ですか？
Well Done. SUB #21 here
You just made my day
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne haha. Glad to hear that, keep it up and have fun doing it !!
Hell, now I’m even more confused about which version I have. Swore it was a MK1. It has features from both of these 🤷🏼♂️
If it has the FS7H footswitch connection, it's a mk II
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne It does have that. But it doesn’t have the fuses or LEDs on the outside. All of that is inside. Can’t recall at the moment if mine has the finger pointing and I’m fairly certain mine has the larger Xformers. Thanks for the reply 👍
So FS7 connection is a MKII period end of story??
Pretty much, yeah. The larger transformers also say mk II to me. They may have moved the bias circuit inside later. That wasn't neccessarily a mk II design goal but was dictated by EU law
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Thanks man👍🤘
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Ok man I’m confused again/still.
I’m here looking at the amp. I must have consumed too much different Herbert information over the years. Mine does Not have the FS7 port. No finger. Everything is inside. But looking at your amps Xformers mine sure appears to be the larger ones. 🤷🏼♂️
The mark 2's 3rd channel sounded deeper and bassier.
I had both the MKI & MKII. In the end I was disappointed with the MKII as the MKI is more brutal and evil and just more face melting of an amp. I wish I had a chance to test the MKIII.
Me too. I would love to compare a mk III
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne I believe it would be much the same. The reason for the MKII was due to the transformer manufacturer changing so Diezel had to adapt and while at it they corrected some issues with people having high impedance pickups causing distortion CH1. MKIII was more updating it for all the wishes that people wanted but the fundamental change was the transformers.
Which Diezel cab are you using here?
I was doing this at night so I couldn't use a real cab. It's going into my Two Notes Torpedo Live with a GGD Cali IR
Not a lot difference. I won‘t Sell my mk 1 . Even because i like the bite of the mk1!!!😂
Agree
Very impressed with the editing. Stellar presentation all around! Here's a MkI vs MkIII comparison, but without a Diezel cab: ua-cam.com/video/VoMMHuU91T0/v-deo.html
Thank you very much! This means a lot to me.
Yeah, Kyle is the man! Love his channel. The dude is going to be huge.
I was doing this at night so I couldn't use a real cab. It's going into my Two Notes Torpedo Live with a GGD Cali IR
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Deadweald Duality DX
I am a real guitar metal trash player and i have the Marshall jvm 410 c and the messa Boogie Dual rec and they both sounds more good and Nice than this Diesel amp really thats My humilde opinión
My brother in Christ, I somehow doubt that.
Just my humilde opiniøn
I'm a Diezel guy through and through but I'm really digging my H&K Triamp mark1 right now. Better clean my Diezels and gain records better. Won't touch any other h&k though.
Sold my jvm410 to help fund a Herbert once was instant regret the marshall was a much better amp then the Herbert mk1 that replaced it it didn't last long. Tempted to try the mk3 Herbert still
@@josephbutler148 wow I have a jvm 410h too. I thought I was missing something with a Diezel