SHOOTING THIS 1940s 6X9 MEDIUM FORMAT CAMERA. I WAS SHOCKED! GREAT FUN...
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In this video I use a Kodak Brownie Six 20 Model D which presents a challenge!
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I started Photography in 1951 Festival of Britain Year after joining the East Ham Grammar School Photographic Society and found my Mum's Kodak Brownie 'Hawkeye' box which she got in the 1930's by saving up Black Cat Cigarette Coupons and as she didn't SMOKE it took a LONG TIME! Then the Chemistry Master ' Gabby' Hayes showed us how to make up our own Film and Print developers . I would Cycle 3 miles to Leytonstone from East Ham to a Wonderful Emporium of 'Marston and Heards' where the Ancient Proprietor would sell all manner of ex-Government WWII Surplus Films and Papers etc and blow the Dust off Ex-RAF Film at 6 pence a roll , which I developed See-Saw method in the Bathroom with a piece of RED PAPER over the Light Bulb as I had been told it was 'ORTHO-CHROMATIC ' film -- the Grey Images I produced I thought were the Bees-Knees and it was a Big Day when I had saved up my Pocket Money to buy a 'NEBRO' developing tank at 27/6d and could do 'Panchromatic Films' such as HP3 and Selochrome Pan. !
Keep the stories coming Pete. See Pete's channel "Peter Elgar"
Top tip. If shooting landscape or something static you can double/quadruple expose the frame to get an extra stop or two of light
Great tip! Although without a tripod it would be tricky to do.
Yeah 100% agree. I've got a agfa sync and holga and used it with a tripod / cable release :)
A bit of advice to anyone venturing into 620, 616 or any of the other discontinued or hard to find films: always ask that the film take up spools be returned when you have the film processed. In a pinch, 120 film can offer be reloaded on these spools.
"...give us some gangsta!"
I love this particular acuity!
I got given a Kodak 620 brownie model f for Christmas a couple of years ago, and I absolutely love it! Taught myself to develop and contact print with it, when Kentmere 400 came out in 120 i found that was perfect for it!
Awesome!!
When I was a boy, my dad owned a Brownie 6-16 that looked just like your 620. All our family photos were taken with that camera between about 1948-1964. I wish I could find those negatives but they are all lost. I was amazed at how sharp the contact prints were, even though the lens was probably plastic. I remember the rules: stand perfectly still and look into the sun. Almost all of them show me squinting really hard.
That is such a shame the negatives are lost. I can imagine back then negatives were a cherished item and were kept safe in a box. As years go by and all that. Hope they are still somewhere!
Making those vintage cameras work again, I love such videos!
first (.... love your channel ❤) ... one of my main inspirations to get bothered to actually build my darkroom. and i did and it's the best thing ever
Thanks! Hope you are enjoying it all!
Thanks for taking us down memory lane, Rog.
Cheers Tad!
Welcome to the fun world of low tech! Box cameras are great fun, cheap and can often give results which are better than you'd imagine. I found a Zeiss Box Tengor recently for a whole £12. It's 120 format with 8 frames of 6x9. It has three distance settings and three apertures! Only one shutter speed though, somewhere between 30th and 50th second.
These are cheaper and much more fun than the plastic Lomo stuff.
I have a Box Brownie , thinkbits from the late 1900s or early 20s and it was made in Canada. I also have a Ensign camera- both good simple cameras
Got one, too and totally agree
Bought a Lubitel 80's..photography night classes..learnt a lot!
Great video mate! Thanks for the honourable mention. Glad you had some fun with the camera.
Cheers Gary! Very kind of you to send me the camera and film :)
I have a couple boxes including the Zeiss Ikon Box Tengor 54/2 which is pretty advanced for a box with multiple focus zones and aperture settings. the Later 56/2 ones have a flash socked too. These Box Tengors and the Beau Brownie have an acromatic 2 element lens for slightly better performance.
Shoot many different box cameras -- but I'd have to say that none of mine are nearluy as mint as that one that you were given -- wow! And it shows -- the lens is very clean in that one. Awesome!
Yes it's a clean one!
I love to get out and shoot my 1940s era ANSCO Shur Shot which was a competitor to Kodak. It however shoots 120 film, very handy. These cameras are like an upgrade to the Holga with the same kinds of restrictions but with a higher quality final image and a huge negative. Most shoot above the class in quality as long as you remember the minimum focus distance can be quite long. I can get away with shooting 100 ISO film as long as I am in hard sunlight, which we get plenty of in Oklahoma, but the majority of the time I shoot Ilford Delta 400, Kentmere 400 or HP5+ for more flexibility in exposure.
I bought a Brownie no. 2 back at the start of lockdown. I think it's almost 100 years old now. It takes 120 film and has 3 (!) apertures and a fixed shutter speed of 1/50. If you pick the right film to suit the conditions, you'll get 8 perfectly exposed shots. 400 ISO colour neg and b/w works perfectly in pretty much all daylight conditions, and if you're feeling ambitious, you can do night exposures on slide film using bulb mode. Just don't get too close to your subject and miss focus.
It's amazing to think that something so primitive is capable of such amazing results. I think I paid a tenner for mine off eBay. Much cheaper than a Fujica GW.
It is amazing and brings it home that all we do is send light through a lens into a small box.
A friend gave me a Kodak Duaflex. Kind like a Brownie. Have not tried it yet but it seems in good condition. I have the flash unit as well which is cool.
I own a bakelite version of a Brownie. It's pure photography fun without the burden of shutter speed dials and F stop rings. Brownie are wonderful cameras that democratized photography. The cool thing is that the negatives are big enough to contact print the negatives like you did. If a photographer doesn't have a darkroom, they could always make salt prints which are made with inexpensive materials of salt, silver nitrate and fixer and exposed outside.
Instead of setting up your enlarger you can use the same camera that was used to take the photos as an enlarger with a few DIY items like a copy stand or tripod, flat glass plate to hold down the negatives, and a homemade light source.
Thats actually very true and good idea! There is no mounting screws on the camer so would have to modify a bit as you say
Surprisingly good image quality, indeed...
Oh no, some weeks ago I bought such a camera! And it sits on the shelf since then... Now, after your vid, there is no excuse, I have to take it out for shooting :)
That is a very nice example. Ortho 80 would be a fun film for that camera.
Someone else said the same. And I nearly did. Lovely film
I have one a picked up from an antique store but it has never worked. It’s missing it’s shutter release and I thought I’d be able to fix it but haven’t tried yet. I have shot a Kodak Brownie, which ended up being a step above my holga in terms of images quality with fewer light leaks. Fun stuff.
I put the occasional rolls through a 1950s Gevabox and an Agfa Synchro Box. The Gevabox sometimes produced fat rolls, where the film was loose on the takeup spool, until I started putting a rubber grommet in beside the supply spool to add some tension. On the Agfa, the red windows definitely needs covering, or it did until Kodak improved its backing paper a few years ago.
I have Greatwall DF4. I plan to get Zeiss Ikon Tengor 56/2 for my collection.
I bought a few box cameras over the years. I used them at least once, but not in a very long time. Definitely inspired to pick one up again; you got great shots from yours. Everyone needs a mate like Gaz!
In case anyone has one of these to try and does not want to bother with trimming spools, some companies are offering 620 film again. Flic Film here in Canada has an ISO 100 B&W film in 620, and I'm sure there are others. Of course once you've shot a couple rolls of that, you'd be able to re-roll 120 on to those 620 spools.
I've shot a 1920s Kodak NO.2 Box Brownies (model F) a couple of times over the last two decades. Always good fun. It shows you shouldn't underestimate a simple meniscus lens.
No messing with spools. 120 film camera. Nice
Lovely photos mate! The only 6x9 I’ve tried was my friend’s Moskva. It was alright. Just wasn’t a fan of it and yeah fewer shots also can’t print it so I didn’t pursue it further. It was really a touch and go.
Cheers. Thats why I thought of making contacts and a scrap book. A reason to shoot the 6x9 cameras more.
Funny as it is I just finished a roll of Shanghai GP3 in 620 and packed the film to be sent to the lab. I used a Kodak Six-20 Brownie Junior (no portrait lens but 2 apertures). We'll see how they come out.
Fingers crossed!
Brilliant video & what an amazing mate/model!
Thanks a lot! Gaz is 61 going on 14! I can't keep up with his energy.
My first camera was a Brownie Hawkeye that I took on my second grade field trip when I was six now I have eighty three to use and a room to store them
ha ha you're hoarding them Steve! Good on you!
I use a Brownie 620 Model D that came from my grand-mother. It must be late 50's, it has flash contacts (not hot shoe!), tripod threads and a black plastic (bakelite?) wind-on knob ans shutter button. I love 6x9 (I also have a Lumière folder from the 30's that gives lovely negs - or at least it would if I hadn't messed up developing and got a scratched film). The Lumière uses 120 spools but for the Brownie I trim my film spools just like you and have a couple of 620 spools for the take-up side. I have been using Foma 200 film which seems to work fine in the Brownie and has wide exposure tolerance but has a terrible reputation for quality faults (which I can understand, having suffered with the Lumière!). For the moment I have to camera scan 6x9 negs, I would like to print but that's not for now. Incidentally if you camera scan with a blue cast to the light (or a blue tinted film base) in colour, when you invert the neg on the computer and stay in colour you get an old-fashioned warm or pale sepia tone to the print (which will revert to b&w when you go to grey shdes on the computer).
Contacts for these can easily be done in your bathroom with a pack of 5x7 paper which isn't expensive and some paper developer and a small desk lamp. You'll need stop bath and fixer as well. And use some small sandwich tubs for trays.
Pretty neat, good job Boss! I have the spools, and trimming them down looked easy enough. Might just have to try it with one of my box cameras
I showed the trimming in light because of the video (it was a dummy roll) but make sure you trim away and load in subdued light as leaks can enter on the edges.
Kodak was not the only company making these kinds of cameras. And, I have an Ansco camera that is basically the same thing as that Box Brownie. Except it takes 120 film. And some 620 cameras will run 120 film just fine.
I keep a piece of black tape over the red window on mine, just peeling it back so I can see the frame numbers. That might not be actually necessary but it minimizes the chance of having the frame numbers imaged on the film.
I think the common amateur practice with these kinds of cameras was to end up with contact prints and mostly the negatives were not enlarged. Bug negatives plus no enlarging means that we can get very nice prints from the simple lenses.
Kodak used the tag line "You push the button, we do the rest!" in their advertising for many, many years. If I recall correctly, Kodak's first successful roll film camera was sold with a roll in it and the customer would send the entire camera back to Kodak when the roll was finished. Kodak would unload the camera, make a set of prints, reload the camera and ship all that back to the customer.
Definitely a point and shoot experience.
You made some very good photos with that camera, thanks for sharing!
A Kodak Brownie was actually my first camera, I received it as a gift in 1948. I still have several of those 6x9 rolls. I lost that camera, but have a very similar now. Not the best quality of image, to be sure, the best part are the reminiscences brought up by those pictures!
i picked up one of those on ebay for £15 came with 2 spools and even the canvas case works well.
I've only ever seen them in antique (home clearance) shops and never seen a clean one but they are cheap to buy clean as you say £15!
i spotted a roll of Ferrania on the desk behind you. would be very interested to hear your take on it.
Thats what I used with Gaz. Ferrania P30.
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss ha! so you did! i only got half way through video, just cathing the rest now.
you made me back into film photography, thank you for that.
That's awesome!
I have a Great Wall as well, but not the original lens. But with an adapter I can attach m42 lenses and get nice macro photo’s on 120 format.
Awesome!
My first photos, in the late 1950s when the circus came to town, were with the family's Box Brownie. The camera is long gone but I still have the photos, in an envelope from the now defunct camera shop in my home town. I think I still have my father's folding Kodak, also 620 if my memory serves me well. I must dig through my boxes to see if I can find it. Aside: after he retired and he and my mother were embarking on a road trip he bought an Olympus trip 35. I found it when we cleaned out the house after my mother died, with a film still in it!
I'm sure everyone knows that the reason for 620 as opposed to 120, which is the same film, is that Kodak patented the spools to establish a monopoly on the format.
I acquired a very tatty box camera with a film in it a few years ago. It was a real bugger to load the film in my developing tank. It was a total dud - I reckon someone had opened it, played around, and put the film back in back-to-front.
Cleaning out a mate's house after he died we found lots of photos, negatives and slides in amongst the rubbish in the basement. One treasure is a Brownie 127, but when film is available it's too expensive to buy for a poor old person (emphasis on the "poor") like me. Oh, and a Weston Master V meter in its case, but no dome!
I still shoot 35 mm occasionally, but nowadays mostly with a Nikon F100 or F80. The aperture blades on the 50 mm lens for my Praktica MTL 5 seized up and I broke one when I tried to clean it. One day I'll find a replacement.
Sorry to ramble on. Love your channel and your enthusiasm. Keep it up, it inspires me to get out and about!
I didn't know about the monopoly! Makes sense though with other non kodak models being made at the time. Thanks for the story! The excitement of seeing whats on the film and it not turning out. I've had that a couple of times. I shot a 120 film years ago and it's in the fridge. I don't know whats on it but I shall keep it and one day find out. Not yet though!
Hi,found a camera like that with a film in it. Apparently they hadn't pruned the 120 spool cause it took me a wrench to turn the knob. Pictures came out very bad (tri-x pan like)
The not being able to print them, bothered me so I thought up this:
I still have this 6x6 Ilford Sporti 6 my father left me. It is point and shoot, no settings other than 8/11/16.
takes 120 film. Also has a manual winder that takes exactly 4 turns to wind 1 6x6 negative.
So I made a simple mask; effectively making it a 6x6 half frame. Makes 24 negatives shots. Its very crude but it seems to work.
You could also do this with those box camera's that use 6x9 even better getting about 24 shots out. Or even an old Nettar camera (better lens perhaps?)
Its not real panorama because of the lens on the thing, but it does give you some extra exposures on those large negatives that mainly tend to use up sky(if not close ups).
Tried it with some very old Kodak Vericolor II which is stupid but hey... It was a prove of concept.
With this you can still develop on your 75mm lens on your enlarges because it is basically 6x2.5
I'll post some pictures below and some DYI mask building + some negs and 1 or 2 foto's rescued by scanner.
Discovered that 1980's film wants at least 15 seconds a shot.
I'll be retrying it with some delta 400 next time when I get some extra funds.
Also thinking of trying this conversion with the Agfa ISLO camera's my dad left me. They have a manual wind knob so you can ; put in a mask, wind less, get more shots.
Anyhoe thanks for your video and check this out: postimg.cc/gallery/YKJxSt7S
Highest regards,
Mac
Using vintage cameras is fun.
Love box Brownies they are fun. Great Video Roger.
Thanks Katharine
Keep em coming
6x9 is a great format! Yeah, it's the same proportions as 35mm but the bigger negative makes a difference. They're easy, cheap, fun, and give great results. Like you, my enlarger doesn't accept that size, but contact prints are viable. Thanks Roger for the inspiration to get out and do more!
Cheers David.
If you find a Box Tengor the image quality could really surprise you. The Great Wall is nowhere near as bad as some folk will tell you, and you can use the lens for enlarging. It is based on a prewar German design.The Pilot
I will check it out. I've seen the photos from that wall camera. Looked like they lacked some contrast but that could be the way they were developed but they looked good!
I have used a box Brownie. I set out to find A Zeiss Box Tengor and found an Ansco Shur Shot which also uses 120. It's even more fun not to have to futz with 620. Great video. I look forward to you posts.
Thanks David.
yes i would, i have a 1930's Box Tengor 6x4.5 i still use
Which is a nice camera :)
Good vid. More like this plz
Try the Ilford Orthochromatic film to get a real vintage look on your images! ❤
One of my favourite films! I almost did load a roll thinking it would suit the era.
I enjoy using box cameras, got a few of them, some being made of bakelite. Some of them need some cleaning, your video and the shots you took made me eagier to do so. :)
From my understanding P30 is really picky when it comes to exposure, just like slide film it enjoys getting the right amount of lighting matching its ISO80 film speed.
Yes that P30 I've shot quite a bit and is always touch and go! As you say needs lots of even light
I've used a few box cameras and can say they are usually alright. There are some that take 120, so I prefer that. Some 620 cameras can be modified to take 120. There are also some by Coronet that can take both.
I have a Kodak no 2 Brownie from 1929 (box camera). It has a shutterspeed of 1/60s and apertures of f16, 22 and 32. If you do the math one need 800, 1600 or 3200 ISO-film respectively in good daylight. I used it with a Ilford Delta 3200 film and f32 and got great results. Given the filmchoise I got a bit grainy photos, but not too grainy. I was quite happy with the results. Wasn't normal film in those days 25 ISO or 32 ISO? Funny that, I can see that it hasn't been used on tripod also. It was a fun day out. It uses 120-film.
I picked up a Great Wall a couple months ago! Lol
ha ha, I'd never heard of it before! Was actually good quality
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss I haven’t developed the role yet. I know Ted Forbes (Art of Photography UA-cam) used to have one and he seemed to do well in the beginning with it.
620 cameras are much fun
I shoot film with a Zeiss Box Tengor 6x9, sharp lens and sharp photos!
Yes Zeiss were superior. They were famous for their high quality lenses even at the lower end of their catalogue. Voigtlander were much the same.
GreatWall camera was made during 1970-80s in Beijing Camera Factory
What do you scan your negatives with? Has to be said that a bigger negative is always better. I have a Bronica ETRSi and a YashicaMatt 124G. The latter being a TLR is great for capturing people candidly as they don't know what you are doing and can hardly hear the shutter. They only know about it when you wind on.
I use a Canon 7D Ben. With a Nikkor 55mm Micro Lens and a Valoi 360 negative holder. That lens and adapter with that camera magnifies a bit more than a full frame DSLR.
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Many thanks. So basically a "digital enlarger"?
@@BensWorkshop Pretty much Ben. Capture in RAW and then put into a photo editor, invert and adjust the contrast.
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Cheers.
I have one, it was my very first camera. The problem is that the film is very hard to get.
Incredible at 9:29
That was probably the best one. The light was just right for that p30 film. Gaz wasn't walking there. I got him to freeze and the wind blew his coat
You have made a star out of Gary in the future you will have to pay him Union rates.
I just bought a mint Tourist, lol
I think that back in the days they actually used to make many contact prints instead of enlarged prints with those kinds of cameras...
They did too! And makes sense when you see those 6x9 prints in antique shops. I guess it was a lot cheaper to have contacts back then than it did enlarged prints and with 6x9 is still big enough to see and show.
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss yep. Exactly 🙂
I actually have a "Great Wall" 35mm camera and it works pretty god for such a cheap camera.
Can u do a video on how u do the contact prints. (If u havent already)
He has already
Here is a video I made some time ago using just a lamp ua-cam.com/video/aJ9YQJPOzdo/v-deo.html
The first camera I ever used in 1967 was a Kodak Box Camera I was 11 years old. The photo I took was of new Cadillacs being delivered to the Cadillac dealer that I lived new to. I still have the photo. The camera was my mother’s her and her family took many, many pictures throughout their lives I have boxes full of their photos.
Nice Rick!
I had one of these as my first camera back in 1967 at the age off 7 handed down from my grand parents. I got a lot of camera movement when pressing the shutter release so images wheren't great but sparked my interest in photography
It is quite a clunky Button I noticed
Especially in the hands of an inexperienced 7 year old, however still have some of those pictures in my box of old photos
hey mate. what i did with my agfa synchro box is to pop a 35mm in there. i like the cam, but the format (6x9) is too close to the format of a 35mm, i didnt really get a special feel to shooting that format. [what i mean with special feel is that i wish to be thrown off when compising an image... 6x6 gives me that much more than 6x9]. i then switched to a lubitel 2 for some 6x6 action to get a unique experience with mid format. was about to sell the agfa but decided to cramp a 35mm film in there and get an acutaly unique format oot of it [you do the math on what format that is]. i always try to see what a (not necessarily) shit cam can do what others cant, and try to get something oot of it. ill stop rambling now and with the highest respect i ask you to keep up the wicked job you do, hear me? much love
i should have said ratio instead of format. the ratio of 6x9 is too close to the 35mm ratio, to me at least
Thats a good idea I've never tried putting 35mm into these cameras.
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss yea just find a way to get the film canister fixed steady in there. i then used the fluffy stuff from the 35mm canister output slits and glued it to any sharp part that might scratch the emulsion
I still shoot on "obsolete cameras" like the Brownie Six-16 when a customer wanted wants a true vintage look. Im surprised that the frame numbers on the paper still match up for any number of these old cameras that use 2 1/4 film. 616, 620, etc.
The film sizes are the same it's just the spool that is different.
I buy any decent box camera that can shoot 120 hoping to find one with a great lens and a faster shutter. I have a bunch and only one Agfa/Ansco I have has a shutter that tests out around 1/70 sec +/- which makes hand holding a bit easier, it also has a really good lens but it scratches the crap out of my film. All my others have crappier lenses or much slower shutters and just don’t give me photos that look as nice.
Cheers Jay, Someone else mentioned the Ansco being a better lens.
Did Kodak ever make a similar camera which takes 120 film?
Kodak Brownie number 2. Was the first one that introduced 120 film.
I got light leaks when I cut down 120 reels. I’ve had better luck re-spooling 120 film on 620 spools. The Naked Photographer has a great video on his YT channel on re-spooling 120 film on 620 spools.
I nearly went down that route!
No, I prefer my Kodak Junior 1A from 1915 😬
Box Tengor is one option, it has close-up lens to 5 feet, yellow filter, 3 apertures, and really nice lens. Finding a working one is difficult.
Just seen some on eBay! Cheap too!