I think you assumed far too much instead of doing your research. The warranty for the Tesla Model X is 8 years for the battery and drive units while the Range Rover is 4 years. The cost of an oil change for the Range Rover is $86 needed every 3000-5000 miles depending on whom you ask means for 15600 miles per year one would need to change their oil at least 3 times and could be up to 5 times at a high cost between $258-$430 just for oil changes for a year. Now the Tesla Model X can come with a four year maintenance plan for $2750 which divided by four gives $687 per year and you would need to add on $625 for the next year totaling $3375 or 2x$2750 = $5500 if you got the plan again for another four years of coverage. Now the Range Rover with all those moving parts will really start to add up over time in maintenance cost. Basically you are assuming far too much this time around with your numbers. Plus most people whom have a Tesla generally get into solar so that they can start generating their own energy within a few years of purchasing the car or before they purchase the car so there goes your energy numbers out the door. For as long as one stays within 147.5 miles from where they live they don't have much of an energy cost if they plan things out correctly. But I understand where you are coming from as even with jacked up numbers like you are giving us it's still a lot cheaper to own than a Range Rover and you will have one of the fastest SUV's on the market. You could have compared their top of the line to Tesla's Model X's top of the line at then the numbers are really bad for the Range Rover as it fuel economy drops to just 14 city/19 highway and it has a 0-60 time of 4.4 seconds vs the Model X's 2.9 seconds. That cost of that speed for the Range Rover is close to $200k and the Tesla Model X P100D with ludicrous mode a little over $150k. Now I am sure in the future one would be able to swap out that 100kw battery pack for a 200kw battery pack as that Model X is a lot larger than the new Roadster.
FYI: Land Rover isn't owned by "Jag-war". The Jaguar Land Rover Group is owned by the Indian industrial giant Tata. For the rest: keep up the good work!
Great vid. We drove our parents 2017 Range Rover earlier in the year and although some of its features were superior to the X, the most important feature, the driving, handling and obviously acceleration was no comparison to a Tesla and frankly made the Rover feel like a joke.
I think you severely underestimate the difference in maintenance and repair costs Ben. The RR has well north of 2,500 moving parts with an internal combustion engine, cooling system, fuel system, timing system, exhaust system, emissions control, transmission, supercharger, and gearbox complexities compared with the 30 (give or take) moving parts of the Tesla. Although it depends which bits you count, the truth of the matter is that there is FAR more to go wrong in an RR than a Tesla. Trust me - speaking as a recovering Landrover Discovery owner. There's a reason why Tesla can offer a million mile warranty on their Semi. Internal combustion just can't compete with Solid State.
I went into a Land Rover dealership just a few months ago and was adjusting the seat and the button fell off. I also noticed the knob on the passenger seat was cracked. The car was brand new. I know of so many people who have had lemon Range rovers I can’t count. The build quality is abysmal. I has a Mercedes c class and also had many issues, I had a Mazda before that for five years and no issues. So those who complain about Tesl build quality I can assure you that most of the high manufacturers have similar if not worse quality issues.
David Smith European cars are money pits, they have lots of things controlled by computers (which break and when they do the modules are $500 a piece or more) and love to hide the inner workings of the car from you by not including things like a transmission or oil dipstick and putting those shit plastic covers over the engine. They also have extremely proprietary troubleshooting software which they charge a fortune to share with anyone outside their stealerships unlike American and Japanese cars. Getting a Euro car is more or else like getting a Mac, sure they are nice when they work but when they break they are pain in the ass to fix.
David Smith ya... That's why they don't make Tesla dealers because then people could see how horrible the interior are misaligned body panels... All the bad trim ... Squeaks and rattles
Thanks for stating mileage in km/litre. That is very helpful in understanding. Great comparison .loved your conservative approach and still finding ev is better deal
Great videos but why assume the same level of depreciation? With less mechanical parts it should theoretically be less. Also is some states there is no sales tax.
So, when the Land Rover starts to produce electric Range Rovers then it will be a good idea to buy one then. Because they really looks much, much nicer than a tesla inside and out.
I used to be a huge RR fanboy throughout my life so far, but I have to agree 100%: Tesla is the future. RR's are only affordable if you lease them on the company and replace them every second year or so.
Good analysis that underestimates Tesla benefits. My Model S experience driving 35,000 miles per year is that insurance is less than my Porsche Boxster that cost half as much, maintenance is 1/4 the cost, and I've spent a total of $5.13 for electricity (free charging at my highrise plus Superchargers) vs. maximum of 24 mpg (!) for Boxster; plus, at any speed my single engine Model S while hauling a full load blows away my Boxster. Only advantage of Boxster is it is a small car that my girlfriend has to drive. Without self-drive autopilot there is no way could I survive driving any other car 35,000 miles per year!
As a Range Rover owner I have to be honest, yes, the cost to maintain it can be on the high side, but as a 4x4, well, it's up there with the best. When and if Tesla bring out a proper 4x4, something along the lines of the Defender would be enough, then I think they will have covered all the bases. The Model X is alright I guess as a SUV, but as a true 4x4 (off-roader) they still have a long way to go.
A couple of other things to consider, as far as fuel costs go. Superchargers for us are free for ever, and if you have solar panels on your house the fuel cost drops to zero. We currently have a 2014 Model S with 122,000 miles and have not paid for electricity and still have the original break pads! We have not paid for anything except for tires. We expect our 2017 Model X be be the same.
Hi Ben first of all I want to tell you that I follow your video and I enjoy watching it every time and it was a pleasure meeting you and taking a photo with you at Tesla Semi Event.I am a Tesla model X and a model s owner and before that I had a Land Rover Range Rover and trust me maintenance and cost of owner ship of Range Rover is a lot more expensive then Tesla Model X.
Ahh, I can already see mad Range Rover owners that have switched to the Tesla and saying that it's not luxurious enough. :/ But thanks for the Video, i love the new perspektive!
BCJ_Gamer its a different style. Like comparing modern minimalist smart penthouse, with 100 year old, recently refitted cottage with smart features added after refit. In one you have vegan leather and carbon fibre with huge screens and other is old leather, mahagony and fire place. Which is more luxurious? Matter of preference.
Ben you have skipped a couple important parts. People who buy Range rovers want luxury. Teslas are not exactly luxurious, even if they sell in that segment. Range rovers are also built and designed for some serious off road time, even if most owners will never good off tarmac. I have yet to see anyone try to spend a day off road with a Tesla. This is not an apples to apples test.
Yes, that could have been included in the comparison. One can go off-road, and the other really shouldn't. One is a luxury car, the other is a car for people looking to the future.
It's a shame there is even a comparison, as the two cars have different capabilities. Though they are used in a similiar way. :( The Range Rover actually has great offroading capabilities, which cannot be said of most SUVs. Sadly, I think that most people just see it as a nice status symbol to drive around town in.
Does anyone who what a falcon wing door repair or replacement costs when they start failing? I have a friend with an X whos had his drivers side door replaced twice, falcon door constantly have issues to the point where he isnt using them, drivers seat has been replaced 3 times (no hes not fat), air con replaced, rear mono post seat motors replaced, rear hatch motors replaced, air suspension on the rear failed, front drive unit replacement, and the list goes on. He has, no joke, gone to the service center every 3-4 weeks. He says he loves driving it but it pisses him off and there he is selling it at day one when warranty has expired. My land rover discovery 4 has been stellar for 7 years! Only part that has failed is the rear trunk roll up mechanism for the wire. Of course costs of break pads and rotors is a lot higher, oil changes etc. BUT I will gladly pay more for those parts then have to go to the service center every month because the hassle of that cant be put into numbers. Other mates of mine have also had stellar range rovers and land rovers. Dont get me wrong I love teslas, im a great fan and have convinced 4 friends of mine to buy one (1 being the X i described) the others having S’s, and they have seen their fair share of repairs too. I would love the acceleration and handling of the X though lets be honest, then again imagine the cost of tyres if u were to launch all the time, which u obviously dont :D Tesla needs to figure out all the issues with the X otherwise everyone will be dumping their cars on the used markets after warranty running out, saying but it still has battery and drive train warranty, while the real problem is all the other shit that fails that bugs the shit out of u and also costs quite a lot.
I don't think it's valid to assume equal depreciation & insurance rates between the two vehicles. Because the X has a cheaper initial price, it skews the data in it's favor. Unless there ARE numbers we can use, it's not a fair comparison to include those factors IMHO.
Great video and numbers Ben! As a comparison, here's the numbers for owning a Porsche Cayenne S for 13 years. With every car I have owned, my goal was always to own a premium vehicle for around $500 per month. This can be achieved by buying the car used, taking good care of it, and driving it for 10+ years. If you want a new vehicle and you don't want to drive it for more than 3-5 years, expect to pay double, or around $1,000 per month instead for the same vehicle (or add another $200-$400 per month for a new Model S or X). I bought the car as a certified pre-owned from Porsche in 2005 with only 3000 miles on it. It looked brand new and was less than a year old and. That saved me 15% right off the bat, and I paid $61K instead of $72K. The price included a (negotiated) 6 year extended warranty and LoJack. With tax the total was $68K. Now 13 years and 90K miles later, I have only spent a total of $14K on repairs and service. This includes everything except tires, insurance and gas. So the cost of ownership over 13 years have been 75K, or $480 per month. I'll buy my next car in a year or two, and this time, it will definitely be an EV. Probably a Tesla or a Porsche. But before I'lll buy a Tesla, they definitely need to improve the build quality and the fit and finish. If you're only leasing for three years, then that may not matter much. But if you plan to own the vehicle for 10+ years, then it definitely does. And Porsche is, at least for now, in a different league when it comes to build quality, just as Tesla is way ahead of everybody else with their tech. The future is looking very bright!
You forgot the charging efficiency from your calculations. The cost per Month will go up because when you charge your Tesla it will always draw more electricity from the power grid than it can store in the batteries. So the prices should be more like $78 per Month and $936 per Year when calculated with 80%(owners have been reported) efficiency.
I agree, I bought my brand new Landrover Discovery fully optioned up with thousands of dollars worth of air suspension, Active cornering enhancement, etc for $60K and couldn't get more than $9K for it ten years later. And that doesn't include the tens of thousands I spent on it replacing the transmission, air suspension, active cornering enhancement, head gasket damage etc. Horrific.
This is two years old. Now there are no Tesla recommended maintenance requirements for the Model X. So, doing an annual check to ensure the car remains safe, costs around £150 a year. So far less than the numbers here.
Thanks for the great work! Would love to see a comparison similar comparison between a model X and SUV and even Mini-van in the $50k range. Would love an X, but to be comfortable, need to keep budget around $50k.
The entire underlying assumption of this video is a incorrect. Nobody buying $100K+ luxury SUVs cares about fuel costs or maintenance costs. If they did, they could buy a reliable Toyota or Honda for 20% of the cost. The only meaningful way to compare these vehicles is baed upon features and driver experience. I believe the Tesla still wins out, but this video shows nothing useful.
There will always be some that dissect your analysis and criticize the conclusions that are made. The fact remains that people that may have money to easily burn through will buy what they want and generally don't care about the comparative footprint left by ICE vehicles vs. EPV's. Your nicely outlined comparison of costs clearly shows that one will cost more over time than the other. Eventually many of us will get over the prestige factor of owning a high end branded vehicle over purchasing a vehicle that will possibly slow down the process of overexploiting the planet's natural resources. Thanks for your work and efforts on your channel...
Probably better idea to take depreciation insurance and so on data from a model S also check out average mileage for this class not average in general then the difference is significantly bigger
FYI the reason he picked just the base model 100d is because the p100d is way more expensive....p meaning performance...which has a much more powerful kw battery...which gets the car to 60mph in 2.5 seconds vs the regular 100d to 60mph in 4.6 seconds....and the 100d having a top speed of 155 mph...vs the p100d having a top speed of 165 mph....if your not looking for extra speed just stick to the regular 100d🤷♂️
I think it is important to note that the Range Rover is a much more capable off-road vehicle, for off-roading the X is really a bit of a joke. So in that regard they are very different vehicles and can hardly be compared. Not even to mention finding a charging point in the outback. Thanks for your video, I enjoyed it.
Love that you picked the SVR to make the number for a truck more expensive. You could get a v8 supercharged for considerably less... But then your Tesla wouldn't win your comparison. Also Tesla depreciation is steeper than range Rovers
At 100K+ for a vehicle, the difference in the overall value is not too big of a delta to really care about. The gas savings and zero emissions could be something that could swing it for some though. I had a 2014 HSE range rover and I god damn is it an amazing and luxurious vehicle.
IMO the only premium I see on the X is the acceleration and sometimes the handling, as well as the price. I have driven it twice now and I do not get a premium feel when I step into the interior of the car. Breaking down the cost of the car is only part of the picture. The rattles and poor fit and quality of the materials are still not top notch. Covering all the plastics with leather doesn't hide that. I agree that the cost of ownership makes it more affordable but is that really an issue for people also looking at RR? I live in Norway so the incentives on EV's are hard to ignore. I will buy an EV later this year and I will probably go for the Tesla X because it is the best deal right now in terms of range and charging network, size, AWD and a higher seating position.
Arnold Chyou at least until the end of this year. I wonder what is going to happen next year for those that haven’t purchased one yet. I’ve seen someone’s charges on their App before and that would put a little damper on traveling for some folks.
It's good that You didn't include Tesla faster depreciation. It would be stupid due to fact that electric vehicles gets 7,500$ discount, and those, automatically depreciates by 7,500$ faster.
Can you solve that cube on your desk? Looks a little like a product placement (if it that's cool too). I just know your a data geek and many cubers are also heavy into data or statistics. I can tell by the color scheme it's not a Rubik's brand.
As far as kilometers and liters are concerned, fuel consumption is measured in liters per 100 kilometers and not kilometers per liter. Just saying. :-)
A part of my family has been in love with Rover for decades. That said, the love is important because they are a maintenance nightmare. Reliability is better in the last, say, 5 years, but still pathetic compared to other modern vehicles. I advise anyone buying a high end car to also buy the bumper to bumper 100% maintenance plan. For a Rover, in the neighborhood of 3 to 5 thousand depending on what kind of negotiator you are. This gets you 7 or 8 years of absolutely everything paid for. Tesla has their plan for up to 8 years as well, and it is cheap compared to the numbers you used in your analysis. Next, another variable is the kWhr. This is all over the map, but most of us EV adopters at the moment are using solar power to offset our electric bill, and many of us generate more than we use. So, between that and supercharger, Tesla mileage cost will tend to be lower than the .12 kWhr you used. It is likely though, that as EV's become more popular, the people buying them will not have solar power as an offset, so your number seems as good as any for over the long haul. On my next Tesla, I won't have free supercharging anymore, so I will try to structure my trips to use the house electricity as much as possible rather than the supercharger. Obviously no choice when on road trips.
Strange choice to compare a Range Rover to a Tesla, those cars fulfill very different missions, and I very much doubt there is much cross shopping between the two. The RR can do some serious off-roading, can tow 7700 lbs, and has a luxury interior. The Tesla Model X is a Model S with different seating options, a higher roofline and ride height, Falcon wing doors, can only tow 5000 lbs, and while fairly high tech can hardly be described as luxurious. Personally I own a Model S (after putting 65K miles on my 2014 I traded it for a 2017, I wanted the full sensor suite for autosteer, etc) a M-B GL450, and a Lotus. The Model S is for my commute to work (100 miles each way), the M-B is for towing and those rare times I need to fit 7 adults into a single vehicle, and the Lotus is for when I want to actually enjoy the act of driving. A Model S or X cannot hold a candle to a RR or M-B in terms of luxury, but that isn't part of the mission; the same is true of a Lotus, but again no one expects luxury in a race car built for the street. If you want to compare a Model X to something, try a Toyota Highlander; similar size, seating capacity, towing capacity, and they probably both get used for similar missions.
In the past I was very impressed with your analysis. I was very disappointed here. No real data, wrong numbers. You understate the cost of Model X. In Aug 2016 cost of the 90D was $125,000 cash delivered, that included everything. So cost that you used is too low. On the other side you did NOT consider the FREE supercharging that we have to use a lot on long trips. After 16 months have 22,000 miles, that is 16,500/year. Just one trip we took NY to Denver Co was over 4,000 miles, all using FREE supercharging. Maintenance was really low $600 for 1st year. Please use better numbers and do things right as I have seen you do so well in the past. You are VERY GOOD, show your great abilities. The Tesla is a MUCH bigger winner, see some comments below too.
On paper these figures certainly makes a good case for the Model X, but most Luxury buyers aren’t really shopping for “value”. Considering most Luxury vehicles depreciate at a jaw dropping rate, I would argue that there is no real “value” in any high end vehicle. People buy Luxury cars and SUVs for more than practicality. They buy them for the distinction of owning a prestigious badge. They don’t really care about the cost of ownership nor the depreciation.
If no off roading is needed I agree with your points on dollar to dollar cost analysts. But no one seriously thinks the Tesla can hold a candle to the Range Rover if you need a rugged luxury off roader.
I think that in theory this was a good comparison, However... The RR fans have a point in the fact that I can pull the RR off-road on the side of a mountain and still have similar ride quality and confidence. I am sure that, eventually, Tesla will have an off-road vehicle (probably based on that ridiculous pickup prototype) but until then, you have to compare this to vehicles less capable like the Audi SUV or Escalades (which have way more room).
It's owned, yes, not nothing changed apparently for reliability. Go see a junkyard and talk with the manager to see how much money they make selling second hand RR parts. Specially engine parts. One guy made weekly round trips to Britain to import broken RRs because it was very profitable.
How much does it cost to replace Tesla Model X battery? I can't afford new car so i can only look for car in used market. Will tesla battery be shit after lets say 7 years?
Do you need a new employee?! I focus on your analysis in my MBA classes, which has recently introduced me to Tableau, that I see on your charts. Your take on Tesla is unique and I greatly appreciate what you do! PS - I recently reserved a Model 3 :)
I drive 150 miles per day.50k miles a year.250k in 5 years. model x vs range rover. who can be driven 250 k in 5 years with less problems? I am very close to order model x. I hope its right choice for me.
For driving longer distance, model x owner will definitely use supercharging, and that will save on electricity costs, that point is not taken into consideration
Comparing chalk and cheese here. The Model X is no more a 4x4 than a Toyota Prius is, low ground clearance, poor breakover angles and approach and departure angles, the Range Rover can safely wade nearly 1m of water and has probably one of the best traction control systems currently in production... Range Rover for all its perceived flaws is a PROPER heavy duty 4x4 regardless of if the first owner never takes it off road. Also, Range Rover can tow heavy objects well in excess of 2 tons such as... horse boxes and caravans. Range Rovers aren't "Good value" I'll agree 100% there, think most people knew that before the video even begun :D
Comparing a Model X to a full sized Range Rover is laughable. The interiors are not even on the same planet. A more apt comparison would be an X to a RRS, which costs 30k less.
ya tesla can cost you your life, thank god the nhtsa is forcing them to do recalls on all cars as they were not going to do any work on cars they decided they did not want to.
I know UK is only 1 country in Europe but you made a sweeping statement about the way everybody in Europe does the calculations. Probably other countries may do it different too. Actually a lot of people like myself in the UK do the miles per gallon conversion, because that's what we were brought up with, so find it easier to relate with Just saying ;-)
The Range Rover is far more luxurious and comfortable in every way vs the Tesla. The money you're spending is going towards the electric motors but the interior is in par with a high spec Honda Accord. Worse ride quality and off road it will break in half. Once Land Rover releases an Electric Range Rover it will be bye bye Model X. I'll admit the model X iş far faster but not enough to offset the cheap interior and lack of off road ability.
Your numbers are skewed from reality. The X will not depreciate nearly as much as the Range Rovers-which are notorious for big depreciation and even bigger repairs. A five year old Range Rover is cheap to buy and there’s a reason for that-huge and ongoing problems. You gave the land rover way to much credit.
I think you assumed far too much instead of doing your research. The warranty for the Tesla Model X is 8 years for the battery and drive units while the Range Rover is 4 years. The cost of an oil change for the Range Rover is $86 needed every 3000-5000 miles depending on whom you ask means for 15600 miles per year one would need to change their oil at least 3 times and could be up to 5 times at a high cost between $258-$430 just for oil changes for a year. Now the Tesla Model X can come with a four year maintenance plan for $2750 which divided by four gives $687 per year and you would need to add on $625 for the next year totaling $3375 or 2x$2750 = $5500 if you got the plan again for another four years of coverage. Now the Range Rover with all those moving parts will really start to add up over time in maintenance cost. Basically you are assuming far too much this time around with your numbers. Plus most people whom have a Tesla generally get into solar so that they can start generating their own energy within a few years of purchasing the car or before they purchase the car so there goes your energy numbers out the door. For as long as one stays within 147.5 miles from where they live they don't have much of an energy cost if they plan things out correctly.
But I understand where you are coming from as even with jacked up numbers like you are giving us it's still a lot cheaper to own than a Range Rover and you will have one of the fastest SUV's on the market. You could have compared their top of the line to Tesla's Model X's top of the line at then the numbers are really bad for the Range Rover as it fuel economy drops to just 14 city/19 highway and it has a 0-60 time of 4.4 seconds vs the Model X's 2.9 seconds. That cost of that speed for the Range Rover is close to $200k and the Tesla Model X P100D with ludicrous mode a little over $150k. Now I am sure in the future one would be able to swap out that 100kw battery pack for a 200kw battery pack as that Model X is a lot larger than the new Roadster.
good points + saving the time you spent on going to the gas station. god, running the gas station at least every week, which is absurd.
How do you fix the tesla, oh right you don't you throw it away. Also you buy a range rover for the name... not cause you want to save money...
FYI: Land Rover isn't owned by "Jag-war". The Jaguar Land Rover Group is owned by the Indian industrial giant Tata. For the rest: keep up the good work!
Great vid. We drove our parents 2017 Range Rover earlier in the year and although some of its features were superior to the X, the most important feature, the driving, handling and obviously acceleration was no comparison to a Tesla and frankly made the Rover feel like a joke.
fatboy how many people drive a 6 figure vehicle off road?
oh your like tesla, I watched your videos and subscribed
Like Tesla The Range Rover looks cool-but the repair cost and down times are legendary and quite scary.
I think you severely underestimate the difference in maintenance and repair costs Ben. The RR has well north of 2,500 moving parts with an internal combustion engine, cooling system, fuel system, timing system, exhaust system, emissions control, transmission, supercharger, and gearbox complexities compared with the 30 (give or take) moving parts of the Tesla. Although it depends which bits you count, the truth of the matter is that there is FAR more to go wrong in an RR than a Tesla. Trust me - speaking as a recovering Landrover Discovery owner.
There's a reason why Tesla can offer a million mile warranty on their Semi. Internal combustion just can't compete with Solid State.
I went into a Land Rover dealership just a few months ago and was adjusting the seat and the button fell off. I also noticed the knob on the passenger seat was cracked. The car was brand new. I know of so many people who have had lemon Range rovers I can’t count. The build quality is abysmal. I has a Mercedes c class and also had many issues, I had a Mazda before that for five years and no issues. So those who complain about Tesl build quality I can assure you that most of the high manufacturers have similar if not worse quality issues.
David Smith European cars are money pits, they have lots of things controlled by computers (which break and when they do the modules are $500 a piece or more) and love to hide the inner workings of the car from you by not including things like a transmission or oil dipstick and putting those shit plastic covers over the engine. They also have extremely proprietary troubleshooting software which they charge a fortune to share with anyone outside their stealerships unlike American and Japanese cars. Getting a Euro car is more or else like getting a Mac, sure they are nice when they work but when they break they are pain in the ass to fix.
David Smith ya... That's why they don't make Tesla dealers because then people could see how horrible the interior are misaligned body panels... All the bad trim ... Squeaks and rattles
Thanks for stating mileage in km/litre. That is very helpful in understanding. Great comparison .loved your conservative approach and still finding ev is better deal
Thanks!
Great videos but why assume the same level of depreciation? With less mechanical parts it should theoretically be less. Also is some states there is no sales tax.
Ben, in Europe we are not stating km per liter, but liters per 100km. Range Rover 14.9Litre per 100km.
So, when the Land Rover starts to produce electric Range Rovers then it will be a good idea to buy one then. Because they really looks much, much nicer than a tesla inside and out.
In a few Years.....What is a Range Rover?
I used to be a huge RR fanboy throughout my life so far, but I have to agree 100%: Tesla is the future. RR's are only affordable if you lease them on the company and replace them every second year or so.
Good analysis that underestimates Tesla benefits. My Model S experience driving 35,000 miles per year is that insurance is less than my Porsche Boxster that cost half as much, maintenance is 1/4 the cost, and I've spent a total of $5.13 for electricity (free charging at my highrise plus Superchargers) vs. maximum of 24 mpg (!) for Boxster; plus, at any speed my single engine Model S while hauling a full load blows away my Boxster. Only advantage of Boxster is it is a small car that my girlfriend has to drive. Without self-drive autopilot there is no way could I survive driving any other car 35,000 miles per year!
To paraphrase American Express. Leaving your children a cleaner healthier world to live in. PRICELESS!!!
I thinkt the difference would be quite a bit higher especially with much higher milage, but like the conservative approach to estimation.
Does anyone get the vibes that Clarkson was forced into saying that?? 😅 Free publicity points!!
As a Range Rover owner I have to be honest, yes, the cost to maintain it can be on the high side, but as a 4x4, well, it's up there with the best. When and if Tesla bring out a proper 4x4, something along the lines of the Defender would be enough, then I think they will have covered all the bases. The Model X is alright I guess as a SUV, but as a true 4x4 (off-roader) they still have a long way to go.
A couple of other things to consider, as far as fuel costs go. Superchargers for us are free for ever, and if you have solar panels on your house the fuel cost drops to zero. We currently have a 2014 Model S with 122,000 miles and have not paid for electricity and still have the original break pads! We have not paid for anything except for tires. We expect our 2017 Model X be be the same.
Hi Ben first of all I want to tell you that I follow your video and I enjoy watching it every time and it was a pleasure meeting you and taking a photo with you at Tesla Semi Event.I am a Tesla model X and a model s owner and before that I had a Land Rover Range Rover and trust me maintenance and cost of owner ship of Range Rover is a lot more expensive then Tesla Model X.
Thanks for sharing, and great meeting you as well!
It's not "yag-waa" - it's said "jag-you-aaa".
Ahh, I can already see mad Range Rover owners that have switched to the Tesla and saying that it's not luxurious enough. :/
But thanks for the Video, i love the new perspektive!
BCJ_Gamer its a different style. Like comparing modern minimalist smart penthouse, with 100 year old, recently refitted cottage with smart features added after refit. In one you have vegan leather and carbon fibre with huge screens and other is old leather, mahagony and fire place. Which is more luxurious? Matter of preference.
Yeah, but that's my worrie. That ex-range Rover owners don't like the tesla
BCJ I have a friend who has both the Range Rover and the model X and yup the Range Rover sits. He loves the X
Ben you have skipped a couple important parts. People who buy Range rovers want luxury. Teslas are not exactly luxurious, even if they sell in that segment. Range rovers are also built and designed for some serious off road time, even if most owners will never good off tarmac. I have yet to see anyone try to spend a day off road with a Tesla.
This is not an apples to apples test.
Yes, that could have been included in the comparison. One can go off-road, and the other really shouldn't. One is a luxury car, the other is a car for people looking to the future.
Ben,
Great analysis! You are the king of comparative analysis and I love your conservatism as it frees you from any bias !! Really great value
🤘thank you!
It's a shame there is even a comparison, as the two cars have different capabilities. Though they are used in a similiar way. :( The Range Rover actually has great offroading capabilities, which cannot be said of most SUVs. Sadly, I think that most people just see it as a nice status symbol to drive around town in.
I don't see anyone byuing RR to drive it offroad. For that you get Defender. RR is Chelsea tractor for school run and drug dealers.
That's basically what I meant. Unfortunately, nobody will buy this for it's off-road capabilities, which is a shame in my opinion
Does anyone who what a falcon wing door repair or replacement costs when they start failing?
I have a friend with an X whos had his drivers side door replaced twice, falcon door constantly have issues to the point where he isnt using them, drivers seat has been replaced 3 times (no hes not fat), air con replaced, rear mono post seat motors replaced, rear hatch motors replaced, air suspension on the rear failed, front drive unit replacement, and the list goes on.
He has, no joke, gone to the service center every 3-4 weeks. He says he loves driving it but it pisses him off and there he is selling it at day one when warranty has expired.
My land rover discovery 4 has been stellar for 7 years! Only part that has failed is the rear trunk roll up mechanism for the wire. Of course costs of break pads and rotors is a lot higher, oil changes etc.
BUT
I will gladly pay more for those parts then have to go to the service center every month because the hassle of that cant be put into numbers.
Other mates of mine have also had stellar range rovers and land rovers.
Dont get me wrong I love teslas, im a great fan and have convinced 4 friends of mine to buy one (1 being the X i described) the others having S’s, and they have seen their fair share of repairs too.
I would love the acceleration and handling of the X though lets be honest, then again imagine the cost of tyres if u were to launch all the time, which u obviously dont :D
Tesla needs to figure out all the issues with the X otherwise everyone will be dumping their cars on the used markets after warranty running out, saying but it still has battery and drive train warranty, while the real problem is all the other shit that fails that bugs the shit out of u and also costs quite a lot.
Hey when you use the international units it isn't km per liters but liters per 100km
Ah thanks! Trying to add the metric units but obviously being American I'm completely ignorant to how they work :)
Actually, in Brazil, we use km per liters. I guess it varies by country.
maybe in brazil but in all of europe we use liters per 100 km
Luccas Correa, We use km/L in India too!!
In my country we use koku per 10000 Jow. Koku being equal to ten cubic shaku of course.
I don't think it's valid to assume equal depreciation & insurance rates between the two vehicles. Because the X has a cheaper initial price, it skews the data in it's favor. Unless there ARE numbers we can use, it's not a fair comparison to include those factors IMHO.
Can you do model x compared to Honda minivan since they have similar seating arrangements available?
Great video and numbers Ben!
As a comparison, here's the numbers for owning a Porsche Cayenne S for 13 years. With every car I have owned, my goal was always to own a premium vehicle for around $500 per month. This can be achieved by buying the car used, taking good care of it, and driving it for 10+ years. If you want a new vehicle and you don't want to drive it for more than 3-5 years, expect to pay double, or around $1,000 per month instead for the same vehicle (or add another $200-$400 per month for a new Model S or X).
I bought the car as a certified pre-owned from Porsche in 2005 with only 3000 miles on it. It looked brand new and was less than a year old and. That saved me 15% right off the bat, and I paid $61K instead of $72K. The price included a (negotiated) 6 year extended warranty and LoJack. With tax the total was $68K. Now 13 years and 90K miles later, I have only spent a total of $14K on repairs and service. This includes everything except tires, insurance and gas. So the cost of ownership over 13 years have been 75K, or $480 per month.
I'll buy my next car in a year or two, and this time, it will definitely be an EV. Probably a Tesla or a Porsche. But before I'lll buy a Tesla, they definitely need to improve the build quality and the fit and finish. If you're only leasing for three years, then that may not matter much. But if you plan to own the vehicle for 10+ years, then it definitely does. And Porsche is, at least for now, in a different league when it comes to build quality, just as Tesla is way ahead of everybody else with their tech. The future is looking very bright!
Tesla ModX is the clear winner!
For me the fuel of a range rover monthly cost more than financing a new tesla that is why i don’t get why people say Tesla’s are to expensive
You forgot the charging efficiency from your calculations. The cost per Month will go up because when you charge your Tesla it will always draw more electricity from the power grid than it can store in the batteries. So the prices should be more like $78 per Month and $936 per Year when calculated with 80%(owners have been reported) efficiency.
Love your videos but the depreciation is not the same. Range Rover depreciation is absolutely horrible.
I agree, I bought my brand new Landrover Discovery fully optioned up with thousands of dollars worth of air suspension, Active cornering enhancement, etc for $60K and couldn't get more than $9K for it ten years later. And that doesn't include the tens of thousands I spent on it replacing the transmission, air suspension, active cornering enhancement, head gasket damage etc. Horrific.
This is two years old. Now there are no Tesla recommended maintenance requirements for the Model X. So, doing an annual check to ensure the car remains safe, costs around £150 a year. So far less than the numbers here.
Can you do the same offroad on ModelX as the Land Rover did in the beginning of the video?)
Ihar Vasilyeu did you see the video of one ripping through sand dunes in the Arabian desert? Pretty unreal
Thanks for the great work! Would love to see a comparison similar comparison between a model X and SUV and even Mini-van in the $50k range. Would love an X, but to be comfortable, need to keep budget around $50k.
Ben have you seen the dash cam by CoZero a european manufacturer, really neat installation and no cables exposed
You didn't mention what makes a range rover a range rover ! Might wanna look into it
Hi Ben, excellent job. Could you please make video comparing Tesla vs. BYD. I think it would be really interesting. Thanks.
The entire underlying assumption of this video is a incorrect. Nobody buying $100K+ luxury SUVs cares about fuel costs or maintenance costs. If they did, they could buy a reliable Toyota or Honda for 20% of the cost. The only meaningful way to compare these vehicles is baed upon features and driver experience. I believe the Tesla still wins out, but this video shows nothing useful.
It cost me $600 to change the battery on my key fob on my Merc. I do care.
Arizona license and registration for 5 years: Range Rover - $5,200, Model X - $120
Had Range Rovers for years but now a Tesla X 100d ,for me i will never go back to ice cars.
There will always be some that dissect your analysis and criticize the conclusions that are made. The fact remains that people that may have money to easily burn through will buy what they want and generally don't care about the comparative footprint left by ICE vehicles vs. EPV's. Your nicely outlined comparison of costs clearly shows that one will cost more over time than the other. Eventually many of us will get over the prestige factor of owning a high end branded vehicle over purchasing a vehicle that will possibly slow down the process of overexploiting the planet's natural resources. Thanks for your work and efforts on your channel...
Probably better idea to take depreciation insurance and so on data from a model S also check out average mileage for this class not average in general then the difference is significantly bigger
FYI the reason he picked just the base model 100d is because the p100d is way more expensive....p meaning performance...which has a much more powerful kw battery...which gets the car to 60mph in 2.5 seconds vs the regular 100d to 60mph in 4.6 seconds....and the 100d having a top speed of 155 mph...vs the p100d having a top speed of 165 mph....if your not looking for extra speed just stick to the regular 100d🤷♂️
I think it is important to note that the Range Rover is a much more capable off-road vehicle, for off-roading the X is really a bit of a joke. So in that regard they are very different vehicles and can hardly be compared. Not even to mention finding a charging point in the outback. Thanks for your video, I enjoyed it.
that tesla designer guy must be some sort of modern day genius
Love that you picked the SVR to make the number for a truck more expensive. You could get a v8 supercharged for considerably less... But then your Tesla wouldn't win your comparison.
Also Tesla depreciation is steeper than range Rovers
Ben, so with a total of $55k for Model 3 what is the total prices with taxes? Do you just times 8% tax? (US-CA)
At 100K+ for a vehicle, the difference in the overall value is not too big of a delta to really care about. The gas savings and zero emissions could be something that could swing it for some though. I had a 2014 HSE range rover and I god damn is it an amazing and luxurious vehicle.
IMO the only premium I see on the X is the acceleration and sometimes the handling, as well as the price. I have driven it twice now and I do not get a premium feel when I step into the interior of the car. Breaking down the cost of the car is only part of the picture. The rattles and poor fit and quality of the materials are still not top notch. Covering all the plastics with leather doesn't hide that. I agree that the cost of ownership makes it more affordable but is that really an issue for people also looking at RR? I live in Norway so the incentives on EV's are hard to ignore. I will buy an EV later this year and I will probably go for the Tesla X because it is the best deal right now in terms of range and charging network, size, AWD and a higher seating position.
Please, compare it with a diesel, with is the the best choice for a SUV or 4x4.
Don’t forget a lot Model X also comes with free Supercharging. That’s some saving right there too.
Arnold Chyou at least until the end of this year. I wonder what is going to happen next year for those that haven’t purchased one yet. I’ve seen someone’s charges on their App before and that would put a little damper on traveling for some folks.
It's good that You didn't include Tesla faster depreciation. It would be stupid due to fact that electric vehicles gets 7,500$ discount, and those, automatically depreciates by 7,500$ faster.
I was doubting buying a Model X for my next family car, but your analisis really made it for me. I am sure the Model-X will be my next family vehicle.
Can you solve that cube on your desk? Looks a little like a product placement (if it that's cool too). I just know your a data geek and many cubers are also heavy into data or statistics. I can tell by the color scheme it's not a Rubik's brand.
As far as kilometers and liters are concerned, fuel consumption is measured in liters per 100 kilometers and not kilometers per liter. Just saying. :-)
A part of my family has been in love with Rover for decades. That said, the love is important because they are a maintenance nightmare. Reliability is better in the last, say, 5 years, but still pathetic compared to other modern vehicles. I advise anyone buying a high end car to also buy the bumper to bumper 100% maintenance plan. For a Rover, in the neighborhood of 3 to 5 thousand depending on what kind of negotiator you are. This gets you 7 or 8 years of absolutely everything paid for. Tesla has their plan for up to 8 years as well, and it is cheap compared to the numbers you used in your analysis. Next, another variable is the kWhr. This is all over the map, but most of us EV adopters at the moment are using solar power to offset our electric bill, and many of us generate more than we use. So, between that and supercharger, Tesla mileage cost will tend to be lower than the .12 kWhr you used. It is likely though, that as EV's become more popular, the people buying them will not have solar power as an offset, so your number seems as good as any for over the long haul. On my next Tesla, I won't have free supercharging anymore, so I will try to structure my trips to use the house electricity as much as possible rather than the supercharger. Obviously no choice when on road trips.
Strange choice to compare a Range Rover to a Tesla, those cars fulfill very different missions, and I very much doubt there is much cross shopping between the two. The RR can do some serious off-roading, can tow 7700 lbs, and has a luxury interior. The Tesla Model X is a Model S with different seating options, a higher roofline and ride height, Falcon wing doors, can only tow 5000 lbs, and while fairly high tech can hardly be described as luxurious.
Personally I own a Model S (after putting 65K miles on my 2014 I traded it for a 2017, I wanted the full sensor suite for autosteer, etc) a M-B GL450, and a Lotus.
The Model S is for my commute to work (100 miles each way), the M-B is for towing and those rare times I need to fit 7 adults into a single vehicle, and the Lotus is for when I want to actually enjoy the act of driving.
A Model S or X cannot hold a candle to a RR or M-B in terms of luxury, but that isn't part of the mission; the same is true of a Lotus, but again no one expects luxury in a race car built for the street.
If you want to compare a Model X to something, try a Toyota Highlander; similar size, seating capacity, towing capacity, and they probably both get used for similar missions.
In the past I was very impressed with your analysis. I was very disappointed here. No real data, wrong numbers. You understate the cost of Model X. In Aug 2016 cost of the 90D was $125,000 cash delivered, that included everything. So cost that you used is too low. On the other side you did NOT consider the FREE supercharging that we have to use a lot on long trips. After 16 months have 22,000 miles, that is 16,500/year. Just one trip we took NY to Denver Co was over 4,000 miles, all using FREE supercharging. Maintenance was really low $600 for 1st year. Please use better numbers and do things right as I have seen you do so well in the past. You are VERY GOOD, show your great abilities. The Tesla is a MUCH bigger winner, see some comments below too.
Why doesn't in his Teslacon click ever invite Talking Tesla people? I love those guys.
On paper these figures certainly makes a good case for the Model X, but most Luxury buyers aren’t really shopping for “value”. Considering most Luxury vehicles depreciate at a jaw dropping rate, I would argue that there is no real “value” in any high end vehicle. People buy Luxury cars and SUVs for more than practicality. They buy them for the distinction of owning a prestigious badge. They don’t really care about the cost of ownership nor the depreciation.
If no off roading is needed I agree with your points on dollar to dollar cost analysts. But no one seriously thinks the Tesla can hold a candle to the Range Rover if you need a rugged luxury off roader.
You can't take the X off road, it's not a real SUV.
Good fair information and data, thanks.
Range rover roof is like a home depot plastique floor
I think that in theory this was a good comparison, However... The RR fans have a point in the fact that I can pull the RR off-road on the side of a mountain and still have similar ride quality and confidence. I am sure that, eventually, Tesla will have an off-road vehicle (probably based on that ridiculous pickup prototype) but until then, you have to compare this to vehicles less capable like the Audi SUV or Escalades (which have way more room).
The thing is the VAST majority of RR owners never take them off the bitumen.
Clarkson is a fan of Range Rover and not of Tesla. He just know fossil cars are soon out of service.
soon? there might be more EVs than ICE cars in 2050
Range Rover may be a product of Jaguar Land Rover, but J. LR are owned by Indian auto maker Tata.
Elon Musk
Range Rover is owned by Tata Motors. Along with Jaguar. Non car guys. I love you guys and your new found love of only one car company. It’s funny
It's owned, yes, not nothing changed apparently for reliability. Go see a junkyard and talk with the manager to see how much money they make selling second hand RR parts. Specially engine parts. One guy made weekly round trips to Britain to import broken RRs because it was very profitable.
kriss2005 thanks. I know. I made no claim disputing reliability, just correcting the assertion that they were only owned by Jaguar.
How much does it cost to replace Tesla Model X battery? I can't afford new car so i can only look for car in used market. Will tesla battery be shit after lets say 7 years?
"So there you have it..." - Like the video would have been made if the result was different.
Do you need a new employee?! I focus on your analysis in my MBA classes, which has recently introduced me to Tableau, that I see on your charts. Your take on Tesla is unique and I greatly appreciate what you do! PS - I recently reserved a Model 3 :)
I drive 150 miles per day.50k miles a year.250k in 5 years. model x vs range rover. who can be driven 250 k in 5 years with less problems? I am very close to order model x. I hope its right choice for me.
Hey your mic is working again! Are you gong to redo that video btw?
I don't think I'll post it to YT, but you can watch here - www.crowdcast.io/e/tl1750
Awesome! Also, love the show and all your PS courses.
You missed the most important point model x is an SUV that cannot off-road.
You haven't considered the existence of supercharger for such long journey.
What do you mean?
For driving longer distance, model x owner will definitely use supercharging, and that will save on electricity costs, that point is not taken into consideration
Comparing chalk and cheese here. The Model X is no more a 4x4 than a Toyota Prius is, low ground clearance, poor breakover angles and approach and departure angles, the Range Rover can safely wade nearly 1m of water and has probably one of the best traction control systems currently in production... Range Rover for all its perceived flaws is a PROPER heavy duty 4x4 regardless of if the first owner never takes it off road. Also, Range Rover can tow heavy objects well in excess of 2 tons such as... horse boxes and caravans. Range Rovers aren't "Good value" I'll agree 100% there, think most people knew that before the video even begun :D
I’m still waiting for the telsa roadster...
Geremy actually spoke good about it because otherwise Tesla starts suing him
Tesla’s don’t depreciate in value a lot
Model X will depreciate less because it doesn't have an engine gearbox transmission to go wrong
Comparing a Model X to a full sized Range Rover is laughable. The interiors are not even on the same planet. A more apt comparison would be an X to a RRS, which costs 30k less.
let see when you will have to change the batteries of your model x....
safer than the VOLVO XC90?
Who said that model X is the only suv to archive 5 star come to india we have so many suvs with 5 star rating
Those animations are like my pc in Call of Duty WW2,editing is 😤😡😡
I pick Model X because its Zero Emissons and i dont like smelling smoke every morning.
1:25 "compare it to a Range rover Supercharge"...
Shows a Range River sport
*T E S L A I S L I F E*
ya tesla can cost you your life, thank god the nhtsa is forcing them to do recalls on all cars as they were not going to do any work on cars they decided they did not want to.
just infforming you, in europe we use litters per 100kms for consumption comparison and not kms per liter
Actually in Great Britain (UK) we use km per Litre
i am sorry but europe is not just UK, uk might be a be and strong country of europe but there are more than 40 other countries...
I know UK is only 1 country in Europe
but you made a sweeping statement about the way everybody in Europe does the calculations.
Probably other countries may do it different too.
Actually a lot of people like myself in the UK do the miles per gallon conversion, because that's what we were brought up with, so find it easier to relate with
Just saying ;-)
How can you compare something if you are using exactly the same data for both things Like wtf Google it more WTF
Imo, are you “assuming” too much?
At 2.50 no seatbelts?!
The Range Rover is far more luxurious and comfortable in every way vs the Tesla. The money you're spending is going towards the electric motors but the interior is in par with a high spec Honda Accord. Worse ride quality and off road it will break in half. Once Land Rover releases an Electric Range Rover it will be bye bye Model X. I'll admit the model X iş far faster but not enough to offset the cheap interior and lack of off road ability.
Google what a used 100d mod x costs.
People carrier vs Range Rover
I think Range Rover is the best in my experience
Can you drive with your Tesla X through 60 cm deep water and show it on video? That‘ ll be awesome !
But the Tesla looks like a Ford Focus from the inside...
Your numbers are skewed from reality. The X will not depreciate nearly as much as the Range Rovers-which are notorious for big depreciation and even bigger repairs. A five year old Range Rover is cheap to buy and there’s a reason for that-huge and ongoing problems. You gave the land rover way to much credit.