Luckily nothing really bad happened and you could move on. All the kind people who stopped and take care of you... -> That's great to see - Stay safe my friend
Definitely looks like a diesel spill just before exit from the tunnel, it doesn't get washed by the rain.....then the rain on top of it. Just like hitting ice. They build um tough in the US! Get some gloves please for the love of G!
I mean maybe pick the bloody thing up before you put more slippy crap on the road …., Riding in the rain is only safe if its been raining for good a few days , i once followed a guy on a cbr 600 on a really icey morning on a country road in suffolk, i was driving a bmw but am a biker , i could hardly keep up with him even with my traction control kicking . I only saw his brake light come on when he stopped at a junction . Smoothest guy ive ever seen .
Keep going Michael, its hard to get it out of the head in the next comming corners but you did nothing wrong here. By the way, the other guy just wanted you to try to start the bike and wanted to make sure it still runs and your your wife is awesome, she reacted very calm and chill hope she is fine.
Ich ich kann wirlich nicht sagen, wie man DAS hätte verhindern können. Zack, da lag der Ofen auf der Seite, wäre mir wohl genauso passiert. Gut, dass außer dem Motorrad niemand verletzt wurde.
Luckily you seem to have no severe injuries! Riding without gloves is not possible. One can see ruts on the road, filled with water (0:03), you began sliding before reaching the end of the tunnel (0:06). Too much lean, too much speed, too much weight. My point of view. Have a safe ride! 🖖
Hope you took the full insurance package with Edelweiss. Plus 1 for please wear proper protective gloves. Safe riding for the rest of your holiday. Stuart
@fredatlas4396 Edelweiss Tours (this is an Edelweiss Bike) provide compulsory basic insurance to be road legal as part of their hire. They then offer optional further levels of insurance, top level is no excess, any and all damage to machine and luggage covered. I would deduce that this chap didn't take the optional further levels of insurance and so would have been liable for the repair costs to the bike. As some say, insurance is only worth the premium when you need to claim. Hope that's helpful. I'm nothing to do with this video, but have ridden a few Edelweiss tours. On each, someone always came off. 😮
It’s happens to every seasoned rider. Happened to me back in 1979, Phoenix, AZ. Hit a fuel slick accelerating around an off ramp. Back then some car manufacturers use to put the gas filler behind the license plate. Bad Idea. Watch them RR tracks in the rain too.
When roads are wet , you MUST limit your lean to as little as possible . I dont care what kind of tires you have . 200k on bikes . I dont ride in the rain . If I do get caught , we slow roll back to wherever we came from that day .
Thanks and i agree with you....that rental bikes tires were decent enough, not sure what your seeing here but my lean was actually quite minimal. i had been riding for hours in those same weather conditions. I am 67 and been riding since 14 owned more than 20 different bikes, 4 presently so i have a mile or two myself different bikes all weather conditions. Thought about this for hours and other than something slick in the road (it just washed out like hitting ice... (and it wasn't freezing) in the sum of my riding years, have never had this happen except once many years ago with ice) the only other thing i could chalk it up to is there was no Gremlin Bell on that bike:).......That was day 2 of a 12 day ride.... Spent 10 more days riding around Europe on that rental and had a great trip all and all.... Blessed no one was coming the other way👼
I recall as a kid seeing Evel Knievel interviewed on TV. Even though I was not then a motorcycle addict, I never forgot him saying that he considered riding in the rain to be crazy.
If ur caught in the rain then by definition you do ride in the rain. Alot of ppl think riding on wet road is like ice its not, you still have alot of grip.
@@steve00alt70 Let me rephrase my post for the smartasses here ... I never intend to ride in the rain .. but have been caught in it . Also wet roads are not like ice .. but your grip is severely limited ESPECIALLY the more you lean the bike .
Looks to me like the back end went first, started to overtake the fronted then the front lost grip. (play at .25 speed, you will see), Possible causes. Deisel/oil. Worn or cheap back tyre. If it was uphill you would have had more potential for wheel spin on a slippery road than on the flat as there would be more power going to the back wheel. Either way that was extremely unlucky. Not much you can do once a bike slides 2 up fully loaded. Good to see that you were OK..
Absolutely first thing - nobody injured!!! 👍👍👍 I've looked at this at quarter speed and a very slight wrong line with the slightest of adjustment but to me it's really it's just down to road conditions / change in road conditions at the end of the tunnel, although it's difficult to judge your speed. Without knocking a manufacturer, Harley's are not really designed for these types of roads, especially in the wet, which is why they're not great sellers in Europe for these types of trips. The gamble of no insurance and no gloves may not have been the best bet, but as my parents lovingly used to tell me, "your old enough and ugly enough to make your own decisions". 😂 FYI, gloves and helmet are a legal requirement in France. Anyhow, stiff upper lip and carry on! 👍
...what you need to do is get off the wrong side of the road.... before you cause another accident...just because you fell off your bike doesn't mean you OWN the road...in fact the road nearly OWNED you!
I don't believe it was too fast for that corner, those bikes will lean in farther than you think and that was nothing really. I honestly have never felt anything like that except ice...and it wasn't anywhere near freezing that day. Thanks
This was no Diesel spill - simply overcompensated late in the bend because it was going wide, combination of concentration (lack of) and speed on we roads but mostly the former. The best outcome is you were both unhurt. Ride safe in future buddy.
Me pareceu um túnel curto e muito escuro e sua pupila não teve tempo de adaptação e ao sair, o clarão perturbou seu reflexo, levando-o a um erro de condução. Ao menos foi minha impressão, que tenho fotofobia. Se havia diesel na pista, só você para nos dizer. Use luvas de couro sem borracha e siga em frente! Boa sorte!
Riding to conditions is really important in the wet. It looks as though the corner tightens towards the end of the tunnel and you don’t have that view when you entered the tunnel. It can happen, but less speed mitigates the risk. Lucky spill. Count your blessings.
Glad you both seemed o.k., at least walking & talking. She’s nauseated, nerves vs. injury? Hopefully no head injury. Could you have tapped the back brake & maybe some oil on the road? We’ve all been there. ATGATT, please both of you get gloves. Just got back from an Edelweiss tour in Southern Africa, phenomenal. Take care.
you could have easily slipped under an approach car or truck! you both were v lucky! I think it was oil on the road, or it just started raining? In that case, the roads are also very tricky and slippery...when rain starts, i am even more on the defensive side. at least no harm and your bike seems to be quite robust ;-)
Hallo Michael, wahnsinniges Glück das die zwei da so davongekommen sind. Gott sei dank kein Gegenverkehr, das Bike lässt sich richten. Weißt du was da auf der Straße war? Verunreinigungen sind keine sichtbar.
Yes no oncoming traffic was a true blessing. Sorry I have no idea, I had never had that happen before, was driving very normally for those conditions IMHO
Erröl nem tehet a motoros. Valamilyen csúszós anyag lehetett az úton hogy ìgy elveszett a tapadás. Jártam én is így. A sár mosodott ki az útra az én esetemben. Azon kívül az ilyen nehéz motorokkal nagyobb az esély az esésre.
Or perhaps experience and skill, or just plain bad luck can't be compensated for with gadgets? I don't want to dismiss technological innovations, but I motorcycled without ABS or traction control or lean sensors, and I managed not to have the motorcycle slide under me.
American garbage bikes are not suitable for the Alps. I know what I'm talking about, in 13 years I've brutally overtaken everyone on my scooter without a single exception. If you see me in the rear-view mirror, you've already lost. 🤣 The tires must be pretty crappy, so always ride when it's dry and there are no curves nearby. 😎
I rode from north slovenia in 1 day home with my road king spec. 3 times i had the same at 100km on the german autobahn!! In 5th gear! Luckily i had RDRS and saved me. Hopefully you are fine after this ?🫶
A lot of comments regarding rain, wet road and diesel fuel, but you notice other riders coming out of the tunnel no problems. Speed too fast for the riders rain/wet road experience, Big heavy loaded bike. Slow down in turns transitioning out of a tunnel in the rain. 👍 Get an RT and take rider experience courses.
I mean shit happens, but please just please wear gloves, seeing no gloves made me cringe so hard.
me too
E cambiate gomme ogni 2 anni ! Dopo sul bagnato incominciano a non andare bene !!!
Yep, it's not rocket science.
It can happen to any motorcyclist. Watching this video reminds us to stay humble and ride safely.
Diesel spill is my guess. That front just went on ya. Glad ya both ok👍👍
Luckily nothing really bad happened and you could move on. All the kind people who stopped and take care of you... -> That's great to see - Stay safe my friend
Definitely looks like a diesel spill just before exit from the tunnel, it doesn't get washed by the rain.....then the rain on top of it.
Just like hitting ice.
They build um tough in the US!
Get some gloves please for the love of G!
That was rough, looks like a diesel spill. Your riding was fine. Please please wear gloves next time!
I mean maybe pick the bloody thing up before you put more slippy crap on the road ….,
Riding in the rain is only safe if its been raining for good a few days , i once followed a guy on a cbr 600 on a really icey morning on a country road in suffolk, i was driving a bmw but am a biker , i could hardly keep up with him even with my traction control kicking . I only saw his brake light come on when he stopped at a junction . Smoothest guy ive ever seen .
Keep going Michael, its hard to get it out of the head in the next comming corners but you did nothing wrong here. By the way, the other guy just wanted you to try to start the bike and wanted to make sure it still runs and your your wife is awesome, she reacted very calm and chill hope she is fine.
Ich ich kann wirlich nicht sagen, wie man DAS hätte verhindern können. Zack, da lag der Ofen auf der Seite, wäre mir wohl genauso passiert. Gut, dass außer dem Motorrad niemand verletzt wurde.
Please wear gloves
터널의 입구와 출구는 언제나 위험합니다.
온도차 때문에 갑자기 도로상태가 바뀌는 지점입니다.
That's Right! Thanks!
Luckily you seem to have no severe injuries! Riding without gloves is not possible.
One can see ruts on the road, filled with water (0:03), you began sliding before reaching the end of the tunnel (0:06). Too much lean, too much speed, too much weight. My point of view.
Have a safe ride! 🖖
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Dumme Kommentare kann man lassen das kann jedem passieren unabhängig von dem Fabrikat .Fahrt vorsichtig und kommt alle gut nach Haus.
Good that both were ok after this. Thank goodness there was no speeding vehicle coming the opposite way.
Please FIRST !!!! Save the place of accident to save YOUR SELF and other people. It's very important. Good luck.
Learn how to pick up your bike! One person, even a small lady can do it by herself. Glad you are okay.
Hope you took the full insurance package with Edelweiss.
Plus 1 for please wear proper protective gloves.
Safe riding for the rest of your holiday.
Stuart
I heard him say "no insurance".while he's sliding. Bummer.
Why ride with no insurance
@fredatlas4396
Edelweiss Tours (this is an Edelweiss Bike) provide compulsory basic insurance to be road legal as part of their hire.
They then offer optional further levels of insurance, top level is no excess, any and all damage to machine and luggage covered.
I would deduce that this chap didn't take the optional further levels of insurance and so would have been liable for the repair costs to the bike.
As some say, insurance is only worth the premium when you need to claim.
Hope that's helpful. I'm nothing to do with this video, but have ridden a few Edelweiss tours.
On each, someone always came off. 😮
Oh, my gosh. What was the reason for that slippery? The wet surfave? God bless you. Best wishes fron Germany
If you ride a tractor you need to be careful. they don't like bends, even little ones.
Applied front brake to aggressive in the turn on wet road ?
Must have been oil or diesel on the road. It seemed like normal driving to me👍
Nope, just wet floor. And when it's the first rains, the road is even more slippery.
It’s happens to every seasoned rider. Happened to me back in 1979, Phoenix, AZ. Hit a fuel slick accelerating around an off ramp. Back then some car manufacturers use to put the gas filler behind the license plate. Bad Idea. Watch them RR tracks in the rain too.
Yes sir! Thanks!
When roads are wet , you MUST limit your lean to as little as possible . I dont care what kind of tires you have . 200k on bikes . I dont ride in the rain . If I do get caught , we slow roll back to wherever we came from that day .
Thanks and i agree with you....that rental bikes tires were decent enough, not sure what your seeing here but my lean was actually quite minimal. i had been riding for hours in those same weather conditions. I am 67 and been riding since 14 owned more than 20 different bikes, 4 presently so i have a mile or two myself different bikes all weather conditions. Thought about this for hours and other than something slick in the road (it just washed out like hitting ice... (and it wasn't freezing) in the sum of my riding years, have never had this happen except once many years ago with ice) the only other thing i could chalk it up to is there was no Gremlin Bell on that bike:).......That was day 2 of a 12 day ride.... Spent 10 more days riding around Europe on that rental and had a great trip all and all.... Blessed no one was coming the other way👼
Glad you were both ok...had to be Diesel ok..not sure there was anything else you could have done
I recall as a kid seeing Evel Knievel interviewed on TV. Even though I was not then a motorcycle addict, I never forgot him saying that he considered riding in the rain to be crazy.
If ur caught in the rain then by definition you do ride in the rain. Alot of ppl think riding on wet road is like ice its not, you still have alot of grip.
@@steve00alt70 Let me rephrase my post for the smartasses here ... I never intend to ride in the rain .. but have been caught in it . Also wet roads are not like ice .. but your grip is severely limited ESPECIALLY the more you lean the bike .
Was it oil on the road?
That's my guess. Didn't walk up to investigate. Probably should have...
Unfallstelle nach hinten absichern wäre angesagt: jede GS (das Paar gegenüber Unfall)hat zumindest nen Warnblinker
Wow, that was quick!! Hope y”all were not injured
Looks to me like the back end went first, started to overtake the fronted then the front lost grip. (play at .25 speed, you will see), Possible causes. Deisel/oil. Worn or cheap back tyre. If it was uphill you would have had more potential for wheel spin on a slippery road than on the flat as there would be more power going to the back wheel. Either way that was extremely unlucky. Not much you can do once a bike slides 2 up fully loaded. Good to see that you were OK..
Thanks!
Absolutely first thing - nobody injured!!! 👍👍👍
I've looked at this at quarter speed and a very slight wrong line with the slightest of adjustment but to me it's really it's just down to road conditions / change in road conditions at the end of the tunnel, although it's difficult to judge your speed.
Without knocking a manufacturer, Harley's are not really designed for these types of roads, especially in the wet, which is why they're not great sellers in Europe for these types of trips.
The gamble of no insurance and no gloves may not have been the best bet, but as my parents lovingly used to tell me, "your old enough and ugly enough to make your own decisions". 😂 FYI, gloves and helmet are a legal requirement in France.
Anyhow, stiff upper lip and carry on! 👍
Harleys are tricky in wet conditions. A mountain of torque at low rpm and no traction control. Be careful specially when cornering.
I have never had an issue until that day with a Harley...BTW I live in Texas...👍
Schlechte Reifen ?
That’s why I hate having a pillion. Takes weight off the front wheel.
Never had a problem riding in rain. Yes oil etc can make it slippery but the signs are usually there.
Warum ist er gestürzt? Da war doch nix?
You are correct...nothing you could see anyways...but something was there...oil or a road gremlin.. 🤷
Wet roads , maybe something slick on the surface. Can happen to any of us. Gear or not, I try to avoid riding in the rain. Glad you two are ok
We are fine, Thanks!
Co jak co w deszczu mozna szybko glebe zaliczyc,tez zaliczylam,bylo mokro i pare lisci.
I had the similar accident, do have not possibility to avvoid the situation!
Look at the speed he enters to the curve with a wet road...!
Yes, imho to much Speed !
...what you need to do is get off the wrong side of the road.... before you cause another accident...just because you fell off your bike doesn't mean you OWN the road...in fact the road nearly OWNED you!
Might have been some sort of spillage. Don’t need much diesel to make a corner dangerous.
Maybe a bit too fast for the corner but we’ve all done that.
I don't believe it was too fast for that corner, those bikes will lean in farther than you think and that was nothing really. I honestly have never felt anything like that except ice...and it wasn't anywhere near freezing that day. Thanks
When you have pillions rear luggage it removes some weight from the front (which is where u want it) towards the back. Was this in Germany?
Yes it was Germany
Glad you are alright! Oil over Rain Water is un predictable when mixed with an 800
Lb soft tail, rubber, and 350 lbs of cargo !
That’s not a soft tail. It’s a tourer bagger with twin shock back end.
How come the bike fell on the right side, but when you were picking it up it was on the left side...??? Did it flip.. ?
It flipped.
I wonder what happened. It looked like you were riding slow and the lean angle was small, it should have had plenty of grip.
Yes, all true I had a lot more lean all morning and it held up nicely. Something slick on the road.
This was no Diesel spill - simply overcompensated late in the bend because it was going wide, combination of concentration (lack of) and speed on we roads but mostly the former. The best outcome is you were both unhurt. Ride safe in future buddy.
Me pareceu um túnel curto e muito escuro e sua pupila não teve tempo de adaptação e ao sair, o clarão perturbou seu reflexo, levando-o a um erro de condução. Ao menos foi minha impressão, que tenho fotofobia. Se havia diesel na pista, só você para nos dizer. Use luvas de couro sem borracha e siga em frente! Boa sorte!
Okay, they must have already said it but 2 big mistakes, too much lean and speed for those conditions and an unjustifiable absence of gloves
Riding to conditions is really important in the wet. It looks as though the corner tightens towards the end of the tunnel and you don’t have that view when you entered the tunnel. It can happen, but less speed mitigates the risk. Lucky spill. Count your blessings.
Well, riding in the rain requires a bit of extra care… try to stay off the middle of the road where all the oil is.
why no insurance?
Probably the tyres. When mileage is more important then Grip..
Will do! Thanks
Glad you both seemed o.k., at least walking & talking. She’s nauseated, nerves vs. injury? Hopefully no head injury. Could you have tapped the back brake & maybe some oil on the road? We’ve all been there. ATGATT, please both of you get gloves. Just got back from an Edelweiss tour in Southern Africa, phenomenal. Take care.
We are both fine, Thanks!
I didn't tap my brakes, it was a strange feeling like ice, but it wasn't freezing.
Wow, that sounds like an amazing trip South Africa...I will put it on the list:)
Same thing happened to me with my Ténéré 700 right after a bend on the right.
What to say? It happens...
All the best 👋
Immer angepasst fahren
I'm guessing a diesel spill, I've had it. At least your both ok.
Harleys are not made for european roads, only to ride straight
😆👍
you could have easily slipped under an approach car or truck! you both were v lucky! I think it was oil on the road, or it just started raining? In that case, the roads are also very tricky and slippery...when rain starts, i am even more on the defensive side. at least no harm and your bike seems to be quite robust ;-)
Oil and water on the road is a big challenge to avoid it...
Hallo Michael, wahnsinniges Glück das die zwei da so davongekommen sind. Gott sei dank kein Gegenverkehr, das Bike lässt sich richten. Weißt du was da auf der Straße war? Verunreinigungen sind keine sichtbar.
Yes no oncoming traffic was a true blessing. Sorry I have no idea, I had never had that happen before, was driving very normally for those conditions IMHO
Did I really hear someone called Hoffman saying that they didn’t understand German?
No gloves???
Jak ktos z tylu siedzi to nie ma mozliwosci ucieczki i jest bardziej niebezpieczny przy takich akcjach.
Main issue Smartphone is save
Hahaha yepper!
Not traction control needed its stabilizers
Glad you were not hurt!
Wann sollte nur Motorräder fahren die man auch in der Lage ist wieder aufzuheben😂 zur Not muss man das Handy mal in der Tasche lassen
Slippery when wetter.......😢
Why did that HOG low side ??
I reckon the road surface was contaminated. He sure didn't look like he was going excessively fast or leaning too far...
It felt like I hit ice. I believe it was contaminated with diesel or some kind of oil. I didn't go back to investigate.
@@michaelhoffman7657 Hopefully you weren't injured...it can happen to anyone.
damage... ? Several 1000 bucks, I reckon...
Overbanding....
Erröl nem tehet a motoros. Valamilyen csúszós anyag lehetett az úton hogy ìgy elveszett a tapadás. Jártam én is így. A sár mosodott ki az útra az én esetemben. Azon kívül az ilyen nehéz motorokkal nagyobb az esély az esésre.
Sin guantes haciendo turismo??? Muy mal. Por que causa ha sido la caida, por hielo.???
Revisa.esos neumaticos, aparentemente no hay motivo para esa caída, salvo algún tipo de líquido derramado en la carretera.
Well no insurance first thing to enter your mind ,second thing was is the wife ok 😂,you were going really well until you fuvking crashed dude 😮
"Turn off and on", soviel englisch sollte auch ein Thurgauer können?
Diésel on the route
We've all been there.
That's why you need Traction Control + ABS integrated with lean sensors.
Or perhaps experience and skill, or just plain bad luck can't be compensated for with gadgets? I don't want to dismiss technological innovations, but I motorcycled without ABS or traction control or lean sensors, and I managed not to have the motorcycle slide under me.
...and an anti gravity module.
No, on a motorcycle you have to have grip. Your electronic toys don’t do a thing if there is no grip.
😂@@MopedWanderlust
No Gimmicks needed! Just drive carefully😉
Tu peux rouler cool et te faire embarquer sans avoir rien fait d’où l’intérêt de rouler protéger quelques soit la saison 🫶✌️
ATGATT!!!
Ma cosa ca22o aspettano a rialzare la moto ????
Metzler, not Dunlop for the rain....
American garbage bikes are not suitable for the Alps. I know what I'm talking about, in 13 years I've brutally overtaken everyone on my scooter without a single exception. If you see me in the rear-view mirror, you've already lost. 🤣
The tires must be pretty crappy, so always ride when it's dry and there are no curves nearby. 😎
Всегда найдется клоун, вроде тебя.
Step 1 learn to ride Step 2 buy a motorbike.
I rode from north slovenia in 1 day home with my road king spec. 3 times i had the same at 100km on the german autobahn!! In 5th gear! Luckily i had RDRS and saved me. Hopefully you are fine after this ?🫶
RDRS? Is that some sort of magic wand?
A lot of comments regarding rain, wet road and diesel fuel, but you notice other riders coming out of the tunnel no problems.
Speed too fast for the riders rain/wet road experience, Big heavy loaded bike. Slow down in turns transitioning out of a tunnel in the rain. 👍 Get an RT and take rider experience courses.
Why are you suggesting that he gets a big heavy bike?