I remember years ago when we used to joke about drop tuning. "what are you going to do, go all the way back to E?" And now we're grooving in CC#. Crazy.
Yes. It's almost exploring deeper parts of the ocean that not many have been able to see. Electrical tape works to mute unwanted strings btw. Love the channel. 🤘
f standard is definitely best 8 string tuning . fun fact the note F is the easiest note for speakers to reproduce and the clearest note you can tune down to. most bass in pop songs is done in the key of F for this reason
That part at 13:00 where he listens to the end parts to see what he likes better, you could have combined them back to back transitioning between the two it would sound so sick. Trivium does something similar to the end of The Crusade. So sick man.
This sounds like it would fit on the "Heavener" album by Invent Animate. Add some spacy ambience and Marcus on a great chorus❤ This riff freaking slaps, my guy🔥
The chugs are more sinister in E, the dj0nt more expressed, but the song feels better in C#. Also you can combine those last parts as a key change in the song one after the other, that may go along nicely.
@@nickbroomhallmusic Granite is in Double Drop B, Rain Double Drop A (MADNESS), Take Me Back To Eden is Double Drop C, maybe some others I can't remember right now but close enough! EDIT: The Love That You Want is one in particular that is in C#
I think its a matter of structure. The intro and outro chugs sound really nice on drop E due to note clarity and the middle section just blooms with the double drop C#. So maybe if the riffs are arranged differently to accommodate both tunings (sorta like how spiritbox or northlane do) it would sound epic.
Thanks bro. Im learning alot from the series and yea, both tunings are cool, the lower one has that shugah wibe but the palm muted chugs sounds better on drop e.
this is straight up Fellsilent and I ain't mad I'm not saying you should ask Neema Askari to do vocals on this I'm just saying you should ask Neema Askari to do vocals on this
@@christopherknox1124 "always has been" hahaha No srsly, I've been hanging out here for like 6 months by now, this is some quality stuff our boy Nicky is doing here
Drop E was it for me. The mix felt more cohesive because on Double Drop C# the drums were a bit more disconnected from the guitars because of the very low tuning and they poked through a bit more. Though both are awesome. Great job Nick!
Try using masking tape (or painter's tape) for muting single strings (inside strings you _don't_ want muted). Little wrap-around on string(s) to be muted, with tail of tape going up & over and stuck on to something else (like an also-muted string) to anchor it. Works a treat.
Drop E sounds better with the quick tempo, but you can inexplicably slow it down & drop it to Double C# for the neanderthalls + djentlemen. That’d be cool. Great riff btw!
Drop E definitely has the clarity and bite to it in the tighter sections. HOWEVER, the tone in the section right after the lo-fi part in double drop C# where it opens up just has a pair of fucking nuts on it.
Drop E sounds heavier to me, but I think it’s because of the string tension. Things sound much tighter and percussive. BUT, C# sounds so DOOM-esque that pitch shifting down to that might be the move. I guess it depends on what you define “heavy” as. It’s subjective, but for me heaviness with Prog comes from note definition and tight playing more so than a lower tuning. But, still an absolute banger as always. Feels like a Meshuggah/Periphery collab!
Chuggs sound meatier in C# and otherwise E sounds bitier and cleaner. Maybe them bois from Vildhjarta are on to something with the whole Whammy shananigans
Never thought I'd hear myself say this, but drop E is better. The note definition in the middle section is so much better where you can hear that waterfall of notes (can't help but stankface when I hear that) whereas the drop C# middle section you really only hear two notes - the lower and higher notes jumping between octaves.
I use folded printer paper to mute strings I don't want to ring out when recording. You can move it around and you don't get fibers everywhere. I just slide it under the strings I want to be quiet.
in E the first riff sounds so much tighter and nasty, and the quad track riff sounds tighter too, has that spiky high pitched palm mute noise, its so brutal in C however, the second variant of the riff hits like a fucking BRIIIIIIIIIICK, it is so brutal maybe the secret answer is double drop D or D#, the middle ground between the two ! see if the brutality of the second riff in C carries over
for your guitars sounding different the pickups are probably wound ever so slightly differently if they were hand wound which i'd expect them to be since keisel is more boutique
Honestly I prefer tuning higher as of recent. Trying to get those super low notes to have clarity is just such a pain that I just pitch shift if I want to go there. I mainly keep my 8 string in drop F and my 7 string in drop A#. Having thinner strings with high tension also helps when I do want to pitch down.
E has more attack during that last section for sure - Double C# is “nastier” on that opening section cause of how low it is, but overall E just sits better IMO
Yo nick, love your vids man I have a similar setup.. with the Roland drums and a few guitars and basses.. can never seem to get a great sounding mastering chain.. would love a video on your master chain if you'd be willing to share. Cheers man love the content🤟🤟
Great riff and I prefer the E tuning! Also silly question probably but the bass drops and swell and impact samples are these bought ones or are they readily available somewhere?
The answer is to start the song in drop E and pitch down to C# at the end
This
This is exactly what I was thinking
Yep! exactly my thoughts hahaha
Great minds think alike, should switch back and forth throughout
Hard
This series is why I love Thursdays
Thick riff Thursday is my drive home jam.
I didn't realize it was RIFF O'CLOCK 🔥🔥🔥
It's always RIFF O'CLOCK somewhere. 🤘🤘
It's always riff o clock round here partner 🤠
Duble Drop C# - so COOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!
This might be your best riff yet! My prayers have been answered, 8 string TRTs are peak
Statistically, TRTs are 57% more likely to be 8 string than 6 or 7.
That C#..god…🔥It complements the riff so nicely with that thick texture soundscape 😮💨
they work after each other as well🤷♀
I thought the same thing!
I gotta say... the Drop E version is a little better imo. It's still heavy but a little bit tighter since it isn't as low.
I remember years ago when we used to joke about drop tuning. "what are you going to do, go all the way back to E?" And now we're grooving in CC#. Crazy.
That‘s definitely the invent animate recipe
I love when Nick gets proggy with polymetric stuff. It definitely gave off the Meshuggah vibes he was going for.
C# is sick af dude. That's the winner for me. Love the sound of the drums and just the overall groove too.
Yes. It's almost exploring deeper parts of the ocean that not many have been able to see. Electrical tape works to mute unwanted strings btw. Love the channel. 🤘
This series always inspires me to get off my ass and start a new project. Thanks Nick! Tones and playing are always spectacular.
Dont ever stop doing these.
I hope you do this forever, like as a 60 year old man just throwing out the bangers on a Thursday
sweet jesus. i thought the Drop E version was heavy...then ya hit us with the double drop. good lawdy
bro honestly I'm with you they both go so hard that I can't decide which one I prefer
I look forward to Thursdays for two reasons...it is almost Friday and THICK RIFFS! 🤘
f standard is definitely best 8 string tuning . fun fact the note F is the easiest note for speakers to reproduce and the clearest note you can tune down to. most bass in pop songs is done in the key of F for this reason
Checking back in with the "These would modulte nicely into eachother"
Dude, like the little taco girl says, “why not both…” drop E into the C# 🤌🏻 instant verse and happy fun times. 🤘🏼
Giving me that old Cloudkicker song. Them chaotic drumss
Bro this is the BEST thick riff Thursday so far!
Nick broomthall back at it again with the stupidly low tunings 💪💪💪💪
Every thursday, i headbang for 20 minutes
That part at 13:00 where he listens to the end parts to see what he likes better, you could have combined them back to back transitioning between the two it would sound so sick.
Trivium does something similar to the end of The Crusade. So sick man.
This sounds like it would fit on the "Heavener" album by Invent Animate. Add some spacy ambience and Marcus on a great chorus❤
This riff freaking slaps, my guy🔥
The intro riff in drop E is very Silent Planet and I love it
The chugs are more sinister in E, the dj0nt more expressed, but the song feels better in C#. Also you can combine those last parts as a key change in the song one after the other, that may go along nicely.
E than C#
I don't know if it's the Sleep Token in me but the double drop C# sounds SO FUCKING good. When the riff opens up it just HITS you
Does Sleep Token play in C#?
@@nickbroomhallmusic Granite is in Double Drop B, Rain Double Drop A (MADNESS), Take Me Back To Eden is Double Drop C, maybe some others I can't remember right now but close enough!
EDIT: The Love That You Want is one in particular that is in C#
@@nickbroomhallmusic lots of D#
Damn I can't tell if this guitar or your pink one is my favourite looks wise. That finish is so nice.
I think its a matter of structure. The intro and outro chugs sound really nice on drop E due to note clarity and the middle section just blooms with the double drop C#. So maybe if the riffs are arranged differently to accommodate both tunings (sorta like how spiritbox or northlane do) it would sound epic.
Opening up that riff was insane.
My band has been playing in double drop c# for a couple years now and I must say it was an acquired taste but I absolutely love it now
Thanks bro. Im learning alot from the series and yea, both tunings are cool, the lower one has that shugah wibe but the palm muted chugs sounds better on drop e.
this is straight up Fellsilent and I ain't mad
I'm not saying you should ask Neema Askari to do vocals on this
I'm just saying you should ask Neema Askari to do vocals on this
What is my russian djent brother doing here
@@christopherknox1124 "always has been" hahaha
No srsly, I've been hanging out here for like 6 months by now, this is some quality stuff our boy Nicky is doing here
@@caseymclane1972 amen!
The drop E feels very Mick Gordon and I'm absolutely here for it. Feels more aggressive.
Both are so cool that I kinda just wish we had a good ol' KEY CHANGE!
Drop E was it for me. The mix felt more cohesive because on Double Drop C# the drums were a bit more disconnected from the guitars because of the very low tuning and they poked through a bit more. Though both are awesome. Great job Nick!
Try using masking tape (or painter's tape) for muting single strings (inside strings you _don't_ want muted). Little wrap-around on string(s) to be muted, with tail of tape going up & over and stuck on to something else (like an also-muted string) to anchor it. Works a treat.
Drop E sounds better with the quick tempo, but you can inexplicably slow it down & drop it to Double C# for the neanderthalls + djentlemen. That’d be cool. Great riff btw!
Nick is a production mad man, look up to his skills and methods
Drop E definitely has the clarity and bite to it in the tighter sections.
HOWEVER, the tone in the section right after the lo-fi part in double drop C# where it opens up just has a pair of fucking nuts on it.
Invent Animate - Immolation of Night sounds plot like this riff
That Drop C#1 version of the riff is fucking nuts
I was expecting to favor the double drop C, but oh no son...that drop E done did some ass whoopin'! 😂
Man Thursdays are the best!!!
Whatever inspires you to write your best work.
Double C# has much more bite and texture to my ear. Both are great.
This has to be nick’s heaviest riff he’s ever written
The Drop C # was so much powerfull and agressive ! 😎
The whole cotton ball and muted strings reminds me of the Shuriken guitar with the Line 6 Helix where you can mute individual strings.
I didn't realise the double drop C# is what is missing in my life 🔥🧨
The best series
Liquid death is the source of all good riffs i swear
my observation. Drop E sounded like Animals As Leaders, double drop C# sounded like Mick Gordon
Drop E sounds heavier to me, but I think it’s because of the string tension. Things sound much tighter and percussive. BUT, C# sounds so DOOM-esque that pitch shifting down to that might be the move. I guess it depends on what you define “heavy” as.
It’s subjective, but for me heaviness with Prog comes from note definition and tight playing more so than a lower tuning.
But, still an absolute banger as always. Feels like a Meshuggah/Periphery collab!
Those pick scrapes are niiiice 🤘
the E beginning part is tight but the C# middle part hits so hard, the both have it in the end
Chuggs sound meatier in C# and otherwise E sounds bitier and cleaner. Maybe them bois from Vildhjarta are on to something with the whole Whammy shananigans
nick is my replacement for scheduled tv
And here we go boys!
them drums though. sheeeeesh
The green Vader sounds so damn good!
I was waiting for the power move of “ Eh, we’ll just cut the string off.”
Still a killer video though. Love catching up on TRT.
Never thought I'd hear myself say this, but drop E is better. The note definition in the middle section is so much better where you can hear that waterfall of notes (can't help but stankface when I hear that) whereas the drop C# middle section you really only hear two notes - the lower and higher notes jumping between octaves.
I use folded printer paper to mute strings I don't want to ring out when recording. You can move it around and you don't get fibers everywhere. I just slide it under the strings I want to be quiet.
in E the first riff sounds so much tighter and nasty, and the quad track riff sounds tighter too, has that spiky high pitched palm mute noise, its so brutal
in C however, the second variant of the riff hits like a fucking BRIIIIIIIIIICK, it is so brutal
maybe the secret answer is double drop D or D#, the middle ground between the two ! see if the brutality of the second riff in C carries over
Drop E gives a Make Them Suffer vibe and C# is more After The Burial
This reminds me of mortal reminder lmao such a dope demo
double drop C all day, that shit is sounding absolutely VILE.
Reminds me of some john Browne style riffs. Very nice 👌
I gotta go with Drop E. It just sounds crisper and more in your face to me.
Awesome content! Keep it up.
for your guitars sounding different the pickups are probably wound ever so slightly differently if they were hand wound which i'd expect them to be since keisel is more boutique
Coolest thing you’ve made. C# all the way
Love the videos. Would be cool if you made a video about your background and what happened with Chronologist
Drop C# is harder to contain from a mix standpoint, it's definitely a little muddier/missing some definition, but it just hits the spot
Cool riffage - reminds me of Invent animate - Immolation of Night
Honestly I prefer tuning higher as of recent. Trying to get those super low notes to have clarity is just such a pain that I just pitch shift if I want to go there. I mainly keep my 8 string in drop F and my 7 string in drop A#. Having thinner strings with high tension also helps when I do want to pitch down.
That C# Is Massive OMG ... Drop E Sounds "Progressive" but C# Is definetly A Monster
That c# all the way. The percussive nature and also lower being heavier just as a fact of life
If the track was straight instrumental Drop E, but if I were to add vocals drop C#. However Drop E is the favorite over here.
It is like Invent Animate - Immolation Of Night
E has more attack during that last section for sure - Double C# is “nastier” on that opening section cause of how low it is, but overall E just sits better IMO
Your tone is solid af - reminds me of By The Thousands
So sick!
8 string is life
Sounds sick 🤘 do you ever pitch shift when you track or always switch guitars? Btw the drop E version sounds way more aggressive
Give this man some beverage endorsements
For muting unused strings i usually use Scotch tape together the strings in not using
Yeah usually tape works but this time I was muting one string in between two others that I was playing
I'm usually not too much of a super-low tuning gal but that Drop C# one sounded SOOOOO good and Idk why I prefer it this time 😭
double drop c# on the palm muted section is way heavier, but the rest of it sounds better in E.. mix them together.
thick rifff
look like dropE and double dropC# can go together. I think direct key change or use transition also good.
Yo nick, love your vids man I have a similar setup.. with the Roland drums and a few guitars and basses.. can never seem to get a great sounding mastering chain.. would love a video on your master chain if you'd be willing to share. Cheers man love the content🤟🤟
Great riff and I prefer the E tuning! Also silly question probably but the bass drops and swell and impact samples are these bought ones or are they readily available somewhere?
first riff is kinda periphery blood eagle rhythmically
That just sounds like Pravus with extra steps