Thanks very much. I was surprised too but I think the weak link is definitely the pickups, they get pretty muddy at this pitch and I found it difficult to remove that with EQ, that aside though I really love this guitar
@@MikeAngelo7604 Yeah, I find that the lower you go it gets harder to maintain note definition but you can get around that with the way you write and mix it and it just sounds darker/more sinister which helps the feeling of heaviness
@@mana20 Every string is tuned down 2 steps with the lowest string then being dropped a further 2 from E down to D so it's an octave below normal 6 string drop D yeah
@@SpartanS117C he used a mayones regius 8 for most of the tracks. Think the 2 main tracks i Can remember the schecter Damien 9 was used for were flesh & metal and creatires of nekravol
Absolutely killer, nailed the tone too. Really sounds a lot like Mick Gordon's playing with all the ridiculous bends and whatnot, which look like they're way easier than usual considering how low the tuning is lol, love it.
Haha, the strings are a bit looser than normal in this tuning, not a huge difference though due to the string guage.Thanks very much for the comment, I appreciate the comparison. \m/
Thank you very much, I appreciate the support \m/ I need to check out more Exodus, I've not heard much but I liked what I heard so they are on the list haha
@@jjrrecording you're welcome! And I think you'll like their stuff, especially the 2000's era as I've mentioned, it just has this catchy groove about it :D
I was once with a mindset of tuning my guitar lowest possible thinking it was the key to heaviness. 15 years ago, had my Ibanez gio and would ask for bass player friends when they change their string to give me the ones I could fit into my guitar tuning nuts. But I learned that the bass guitar has it's place in the mix for a reason, and keeping my guitars in drop A and B, they give me what I need. I could go even lower then this since I have digitech drop pedal (a whole octave) but it losses on the heaviness. Guitar is to cut, grind, rip, scratch while the bass to fill in all the empty parts with heaviness in the lower spectrum. One of those bass tones I see as the pinnacle is on the static-x album regeneration (especially on accelerate song). This is my opinion but I tried both aspects and that is the conclusion.
I pretty much agree completely, a proper heavy 'guitar tone' in a mix is as much about the bass as it is the guitar and how well they blend. I do think tuning this low has it's place though, it's not really about trying to get heavier so much as about creating a darker atmosphere that you can't get with a higher tuning, but I prefer higher tunings because they tend to sound much more aggressive, it just depends on the situation and what feel you're going for
This is a great song. I think with vocals and a little more post production elements this could be sick as fuck, gonna peep more of your content now :)
Thanks very much. Listening back I agree it needs more work production wise, I just have no idea what I'm doing on that side of things haha. I feel like I'm getting better though and that's all you can ask for really. Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it
This was a fucking awesome aural experience. Cheers for a killer instrumental. Would love to hear something with vocals ala Anthony from After The Burial mixed with Ihsahn style cleans.
Thanks very much dude, I appreciate that. I'd love to get some tracks going with a vocalist, might have something in the works with a sort of deathcore lean, waiting to hear back from the vocalist on that one at the moment but I have a few tracks written for that. Definitely want to get in touch with some more vocalists going forward though. Thanks again.
Yeah, definitely. I find the lower you go, the more accommodations you have to make but that aside, there's no reason not to go as low as you want haha
Thanks very much, I appreciate it, and based on my experience with it, I would definitely recommend this guitar, great balance of cost to quality in my opinion.
Thanks, yeah it's a great guitar for the price in my opinion. At the end of the day it's entirely subjective but I really enjoy this guitar, haven't had any problems with it.
Love the octaves bro and how U break into the mad early solo ....djent poly nailed ..evil chords. dime bag demon screams lad 💯 big fn BOM BOMS 8sring drop d fan fretys must make it feel nuclear..I give you 10 out of 10 out of ten
Yeah I love this guitar. I had considered looking into different pickups but it's just one thing in a long list of stuff I want to spend money on haha. Once i have the spare cash I think I will though. What would you recommend pickup wise?
@@jjrrecording I have the abasi Fishman fluences, but I had to use a router to widen the pickup cavities a hair to fit them. I wouldn't do this unless you are competent with power tools. As far as other replacements, you cannot go wrong with most dimarzios. D-Activators come to mind
@@jjrrecording OS is certainly unique, it is more focused on atmosphere rather than technical or brutal riffage. They are described as either doom or post metal. I think it's best to start with Thaumaturgy I album, which is a live concert recording of their most popular songs. As far as tuning goes, myself I jump between F# and double drop D (DADADGBE). I mean, the reason why I bought 8 string in the first place was Batushka hype, but my perspective changed a little over time.
@@MultiGolonka Cool man, I haven't tried the double Drop D thing yet but I do fancy trying it. I'll have to give Batushka a listen too, always up for listening to new stuff, you never know what you might like until you hear it haha
@@jjrrecordingBatushka is a tricky subject, since the vocalist hijacked the project and now you have two bands with the same name. OG album is Litourgiya which is to be found on vocalist's spotify, and the successor is Panihida. All other albums were made by the thief.
Hi again! One more question :) Is it comfortable to play the multi-scale guitar? (I mean the scary fan-frets, is it hard to point with fingers to right position on the fretboard?) I can't decide what to choose: the RG8 or RGMS8 🤷 :) Because I never played multi-scale, and my town is too small to go in the music store and try it myself (the only one music store has no 8 string guitar at all , and the 7 string guitar too :) ) Btw. if we dive into physics the multi-scale guitars are much closer to physics of sound (normal strings tension distribution etc. ) than guitars with standard fretboard. This fact is confusing me too - physics-friendly guitar but absolutely unknown and brand-new (of course for me :) ) VS standard guitar like RG8 but with potential issues with strings tension/gauge due to their standard fretboard 🤷 Btw never played both guitars ☝️ Sorry for my English :) Thanks again for the perfect performance 👍👍👍 love tone of double Drop D
Hi, no problem, you're english is very good. As for the fanned frets, I honestly don't even notice them when playing most of the time. At first it can be a bit weird visually, but it doesn't actually feel any different (to me at least) The only real difference it makes is the slightly bigger stretch between frets on the low strings due to the scale length.Overall I wouldn't worry about it being a factor to be honest, it feels basically the same to play, just looks a bit weird haha. Thank you for the kind words, I wish you luck in making your decision \m/
@@jjrrecordingHi bro! Thanks for your advice and recommendations! I finally bought a RG8 (white) ! A good guitar, I love the Ibanez. I tuned the tone for a couple of days to make it look like your tone. I learned that I can't just add gain and get a good sound :) like on a 6 and 7 string guitar :) I need to add a little overdrive before the main amp! (I use Gojira like you) And only then (possibly) can I get a good djent :) but before that I need to play with the settings knobs for a long time :) Now the tone is similar to yours (but still far away :) ) By the way! My friends and I drank Ballantines (my favorite scotch) and high-quality сrimеаn cognac in the park and listened to Animals As Leaders, Messhugah and your compositions that I downloaded from UA-cam. We listened to it through the middle+ JBL speaker. So, my friends asked me to play YOUR music! (my musical preferences coincided with their preferences: in the end we listened to your compositions + a little Messhugah) Cool !!!🤘🤘🤘
@@le_rockshark You're welcome dude, I'm happy to help when I can. I'm glad to hear you got your guitar, I hope you enjoy it. As far as the tone goes, I would say that less low end will give you more clarity and a tighter sound overall. It's nice to hear you chose to listen to my music along side the greats haha, very flattering. I really appreciate the support, so thank you \m/
@@jjrrecording By the way, thanks for the advice! I tried to suppress (cut) the LOW frequencies BEFORE Gojira and the tone became more readable! Thank you! Also inside Gojira, I previously used a light Overdrive (OD) as a preamp before the main amplifier, now I turned it off and instead use the same little Distortion DRT) and the sound became even clearer and more readable, sharper when djent! (the guitar seems to "growl" 🦁!!!) _(but less meaty / beefy, because it is the OD preamp that gives us the beef. But I fixed this when I slightly increased the Gain in the main amplifier)_ . This game is interesting - searching for the ideal tone :))) I am still playing and looking for the ideal gain/tone balance in the preamp and main amplifier. It's fun :) Still far from ideal tone but i'm an optimist :) My complete chain: RG8 (F std. tuning) -> 2i2 -> PC/Reaper -> VST pre-EQ (low cut ! ) -> VST Gojira (distortion -> main amp -> post-EQ) -> 2i2 -> BD 770pro Thanks!🤘🤘🤘
Honestly the super low tunings only works when done right. It would probably work better with pretty clean guitar parts since it has the bass and all the high strings. Rob scallion is one I can think of who uses it well for pretty stuff and it works really well. Not saying this isn’t cool. The low notes just get muddy and messy and kinda get boring riding on the low string so much.
You're not wrong, it's definitely pretty muddy but I don't think it's as much to do with the tuning as it is with the fact I don't have the knowledge/skill for mixing haha. At this point I could probably get a clearer/better mix but I still don't have a clue what I'm doing haha. I actually quite like the drone/riding the low string vibe but I can definitely see your point and I think if I were to redo this song I'd add a bit more variation. I appreciate the feedback though so thank you \m/
Chunky chugs. Me like How are you liking the RGMS8? I'm considering upgrading to an 8-string myself but I have no idea what guitar to go for. My local guitar store never has any 8-strings in stock and thus I never get the chance to try one out. I have tiny hands and are wondering how much of a problem that is lol. I own a 7-string Schecter Hellraiser and I'm quite happy with it, but I think maybe the neck of an 8-string would be too thick for me. Also, I see your guitar has fanned frets, does that make playing any easier (or perhaps more difficult)? I'm sorry for all the questions. Great playing by the way, although that should go without saying!❤
Thanks, I appreciate the kind words. I really like the RGMS8, it's a great playing guitar especially for it's price range. The neck is surprisingly thin for an 8 string but Ibanez generally have very thin necks. As for the fanned frets, the only time I ever really even notice them is playing a barre chord at the first fret where the angle is at it's steepest but I wouldn't say it makes it any harder to play. It does make for more of a stretch on the lowest strings though. I think the Hellraiser is 26.5 scale length which isn't much less than the RGMS8's low string scale at 27.2 and is actually longer than the high string scale which is 25.5. Looking at the stats there isn't much difference in neck thickness either. I think if you can play comfortably on a 7 you should be able to adjust to an 8. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
@@jjrrecording Thank you so much for your in-depth answer! I will definitely try and see if I can find the RGMS8 or any similar Ibanez for that matter. If it means I'm gonna have to go for a road trip then so be it. I own an Ibanez grgr131ex and that thing is an absolute beast despite only costing £200 retail price, so I guess Ibanez is the way to go. Again, thank you so much :)
@@SorrowAngel97 You're welcome. Trying before you buy is definitely the wise choice, especially when changing string count haha. Good luck on your search.
Thank you, I used a set of 10-80 here, definitely usable but depending on how hard you pick it might be worth going thicker as I had to adjust my picking a bit to compensate
Haha, thanks. I used Archetype Nolly for this, it was the 'Nolly's Murmur' preset with a lot of the low end removed from the first 3 bands of the multi band eq and I'm using the 'Down with the thickness' preset in GGD Cali Cabs. Almost all of the low end here is coming from the bass which is going through the 'afeared' preset in Parallax. The master chain makes quite a big difference too though. If you want more detail, I have screenshots I can send you, just send me a message at jjrrecording@gmail.com. I have to point out though, that I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to mixing, it's all just tweaking presets by trial and error haha
I used a set of 10-80 on this song, I would recommend going thicker than that for D1, maybe an 85, as I found the 80 to be overly loose and prone to rattle, definitely playable, but I'll be going thicker next time I tune this low. For avoiding muddiness though I would recommend EQ to remove a fair bit of low end from the tone, that's the main culprit for mud, leave the low end to the bass haha, it's the biggest thing that helped me start getting clearer mixes.
Just got a custom made 8 headless with a 28-26.5 scale length. Would you say the 80’s are good or would you go to 85 for D1? AMAZING tone/grooves none the less.
Thank you very much. I think the 80s are decent at D1 but not great, they're definitely a bit more prone to rattling than I'd like. I think an 85 would probably be better, although I haven't tried a set yet, I intend to go thicker on the next set I buy.
@@jjrrecording yea. I really like tonejoy’s 8 sets. I’ll definitely get a 85 and 90 to feel out the best. I managed to pull it off with 74’s but my action is much higher than I want it aha. I basically like getting the tone with the “lightest” strings I can get away with.
@@peterbatten596 Haha I imagine a 74 at D1 was just pure noodle. I'm going to try for 85 next time since I found the 80 usable, just not ideal and 90 is probably more than necessary. Good luck finding a happy balance though
I think it sounds pretty good. I play in DGDGCFAD on my 8 string so I'm familiar with this. I'm curious what you do for bass. Is it a real bass that you're using or a VST? I do a thing where I have my regular 4 string bass tuned to DGDG, the same octave as the guitars, but then duplicate it and drop the second track down an octave. The regular bass track is just a high passed distorted thing, while the low track is a very low passed clean track. The high track is meant to be heard while the low track is meant to be felt, since the notes are pretty much nonexistent at that frequency. I think it works really well and fills in the low end nicely. I wish I had a good example to share, but the album I'm working on hasn't dropped yet. I did also duplicate the guitars and put them through different amp sims, one for a more mid focused tone for body, and a more trebly tone for note clarity. And for strings, since I see you were using a regular 9-80 set and they were a bit floppy on the low strings, I use regular D'Addario 9-42 strings and then a 68 and 95 from String Joy. I'm not sure what the shipping to Scotland is like, but it's a solid option. 👍
Thanks, the bass in this is a 5 string tuned A D G C F, same octave as the guitar. That goes through Neural parallax for tone. I used to do a similar thing with the bass, split into two channels, one for high/distortion and one for low/clean tones, never tried lowering the octave on the clean track though. After I tried parallax though, I just found it much easier to get a tone I liked with that and thought it sounded better so that's what I'm using most of the time now. I've got the guitar up to drop E at the moment for some deathcore-ish stuff I'm writing but in the future I want to try some more super low stuff and I'll definitely look at a thicker gauge, 95 is a beast though haha. Thanks for the detailed comment, I appreciate it
@@jjrrecording That's fair. I run my Jazz bass through the Aurora Mammoth and it sounds disgusting. XD I imagine people just run the bass at the same octave, but for whatever reason, the lower octave added in there just worked for me. Definitely worth a try but I understand if you're not into it. I feel like it's even harder to get it to sit right that way than it would be otherwise but I like the sound. :P And yes, the 95 is a lot, had to make the nut slot HUGE for it. :P
@@Just-Michael I've seen people using a synth bass or just a clean sub in the lower octave, it definitely lends a meaty low end which I like and it's something I might try in future. I just haven't spent much time learning the mix/production side of things as yet. Thus far I've tended to prioritise ease/speed of workflow to keep it out of the way as much as possible since the actual writing is what I enjoy the most. I should really spend more time learning to mix though haha
@@Just-Michael Thanks, for me it's just been a case of improving a little bit at a time for a long time, picking up little bits here and there. It's only really in the last year or so I've managed to reach a point where I could convince myself it might be worth sharing some stuff. I have hours and hours worth of what I think are good ideas/riffs recorded, they just have really poor mixes haha, seems like such a chore to go back and remix stuff. I'm trying to be better about that though
Great Vid man! The tune is killer. I found your page looking for demos for this guitar as I've been thinking of getting one or something similar. How well does it stay in tune/intonation etc?
Thanks dude, I really appreciate that. This is the only 8 string I've played so I can't offer any comparisons but I will say I've found the intonation and tuning both to be pretty solid, especially for the price range. For tuning this low I'd say a slightly longer scale length would be better but it's definitely workable and I'm usually tuned to F anyway, it's one of my favourite guitars at the moment. I hope that helps and good luck on your search.
Loving the sound, what gauge is the set of strings? I’m thinking of getting this guitar, coming from a Harley Benton baritone 7. Is it still all factory specs or did you make any changes?
Thank you. This was a set of NYXL 10-80 but they were a bit floppy at this pitch so I would say an 80 would be the minimum I would use for tuning this low, that being said I think you'd need to widen the nut slot to get a thicker gauge to fit but I haven't attempted that yet. This guitar is still completely factory spec yeah, I didn't even give it a setup or anything, just new strings.
Hey, I’m getting this guitar in the mail today. Any suggestions on gauge strings? I hear the ones shipped with it aren’t really that great. I did order .10-.85 from Stringjoy hoping that will be sufficient.
Hi, I think a set of .10-.85 should be pretty good for D1. Obviously there's a lot of personal taste involved when it comes to string gauge but I had a set of .10-.80 on here and it was fine, but I did find that I had to pick softer than usual to accommodate the lower tension, but I do tend to pick really hard so I think an .85 would be great for this range.
I couldn't say for sure but my guess would be yes, they would handle it better. These being the stock pickups I think they're pretty good but definitely tend to be a bit muddy in the lows
Drop D on an 8 string? Can you explain to me because I'm confused. I would think it was Drop E on an 8 string because the lowest string would be an F#. I'm new to drop tunings
No problem. You're right that normally a drop tuning on an 8 string would give you a low E but in this case the whole guitar is also tuned down a further whole tone from there so the tuning is (low to high) D A D G C F A D
man! nice riffs and tunning. but how did you got the proper strings to it? i only found the regular 8 strings from ibanez for sale, do you use some bass strings or something? because if i drop it a whole tone then a D, strings get too loosen...tips? thanks
Thanks dude, I used a set of NYXL 10-80 gauge strings for this, and I'm pretty sure Ernie Ball have a set of 10-80 as well. I did find that even with an 80, the lowest string was fairly loose. I had to pick softer than I usually would which helped but even then it tends to rattle easily. You can get thicker strings too, I've seen individual strings up to 84 but they're usually out of stock here. I don't know if any of that helps, but good luck, keep trying \m/
@@jjrrecording thanks man, but here in brazil we have not that much options.. but i will look for those thickers. thanks for answer me, i am new into the 8 strings world. and realized there are not too many options here for sale.
Yeah I played the bass for this too, most of the low-end in the mix is the bass rather than the guitar, they're tuned to the same octave so they mesh together a lot more
Thanks, yeah I did a lot of cutting in the low end with this, listening back it's definitely still messy but I didn't understand much about mixing when I did this track. I can definitely get better results now but I'm sure I'll be saying the same thing in a year's time haha, it's a long road
I recorded this with a set of 10-80, I'd recommend going thicker than that on the low strings for tuning this low, I found the 80 to be pretty loose and prone to rattle at D1. Definitely playable but not ideal for my preference.
Thanks very much, not in a band at the moment no. I have a lot of different projects I'm working on though, would love to collaborate with other people too, especially vocalists since that's just not something I can do haha
@@jjrrecording I have amateur level experience with recording myself and would love to work with you to see if we can make some tasty jams. Is it possible to DM on youtube? lol If you wanna send me your email i'll shoot some covers over to you to check out.
@@rickjames5684 Sure thing dude, sounds good. Not sure if there's a messaging system on youtube but my email is just jjrrecording@gmail.com. If you send them there I'll check them out for sure. I can also send you some demo stuff to see what you think or we could start something from scratch too
@@jjrrecording at the end of the day making music is supposed to be fun. People lose that with all the boxes they try to fit in with what they do. Just do what you like ;)
Thanks. For this one I used Archetype Nolly from Neural DSP and the cali cabs from GGD. I think it's worth noting though that the mixbus/mastering chain makes a big difference as well although I'm not particularly knowledgeable on that side of things.
Yeah, this is the guitar as delivered, didn't even do a setup or anything. Recorded DI and used Archetype Nolly with Cali Cabs, no other processing except the master chain on the whole mix.Most of the low-end is coming from the bass though, cheap Ibanez 5 string through Parallax.I think if you have a decent quality DI to work with you can make any guitar sound good with a bit of tweaking. The amp/ampsim and mixing are far more important than the actual guitar.
I go through a scarlett 2i2 into Logic and I use Neural plugins, the audio just goes straight to the speakers. I get major latency issues with any real processing so that's all turned off when recording and I use a stereo instance of kontakt instead of my multi-out kit for drums to save on processing too. I only turn everything on for rendering the full track. Using a standalone plugin is a good option too, rather than an instance in the DAW. Lastly, setting the buffer size as low as you can get away with helps cut down on latency. I hope some of that helps \m/
I had latency problems until I realized my headphones should be plugged into the audio interface and not the computer’s jack. On both that crappy computer and my new one the latency was zero when plugged into the interface. My recording deal is janky so it’s probably not as difficult on the computer as a smart person’s setup. I honestly have no clue what I’m doing but I enjoy doing it so don’t take anything I just said as serious advice.
@@13_cmi I haven't tried with headphones while playing actually but I don't have too much issue with roundtrip latency in general, but my computer just can't handle the amount of processing I have in a full mix context so the easiest solution is just to record without it haha
@@efeefendioglu2584 No problem. I used the Nolly's Murmur preset then removed some of the lowest 3 bands on the EQ and I actually used Cali Cabs instead of the Nolly Cab section. If you want more detail you can email me at jjrrecording@gmail.com and I can send you some screenshots from the project
What gauge strings do you have? Also you tone is great ! Would you be able to get the same tone with just an amp and a distortion pedal and Maybe a noise gate?
Thank you. I had been trying a set of nyxl strings for a couple weeks before I recorded this, I think they were 9-80, I liked them but they are pricey. For the tone, I think you could get something close with that sort of set-up, would take a bit of fine tuning though I think. I would say though, the master chain on the track changes the tone quite a lot, not sure how close I could get with a real amp setup but probably something equivalent though, and yeah, noise gate is your friend when playing 8 string haha.
@@jjrrecording I may try using a modeling software then, something like tonebridge, which one do you use? Im still fairly new to playing through a computer.
@@austinjoiner5968 I have a few different amp sims but I used Neural DSP Archetype Nolly for this song. They have a lot of really great products, that's the one I use most often though. I'll do my best to answer any other questions you have, though I'm no expert myself haha.
Infelizmente no meu país, essas guitarras chegam com preços altíssimos. Enquanto a média salarial é 2.000 reais, o preço da guitarra é 7.000 á 10.000 reais.
I love this tone, you are killing it. Do you use Overdrive 1 or 2 of Archetype Nolly? Would you cut bass freq before the amp? I'm fine with amp 3 of Archetype Nolly for this distorted sound, but having a hard time getting crunchy tight sound on amp2. The lows seemed to flying everywhere if I don't make a eq cut before amp.
Thanks very much. I'm using OD 1 on this with drive at about 9 o'clock and tone about 2 o'clock with the level at full into amp 3. I didn't do any pre-eq, just removed a significant amount of low end with the multi band eq, across the first 4 bands. Also using the cali cabs changed the tone quite noticeably too.
@@jjrrecording Nice to know that. I'm using DV -77 cab which has tons of low mids, I cut at 250 and 500hz a lot with multi band eq and it sounds killer with amp 3. Just amp 2 I'm having troubles. Afyer some tinkering I found OD2 has a much wider range than OD1, the knobs are very sensitive. I'm set with OD2, volume at about 2 o clock and very little gain. Also bass at 0. At first I thought it's the same as OD1 I used full volume, but I found that gives me much much more gain than OD1
@@progun1corn Cool, I haven't experimented with amp 2 very much, I need to spend a bit more time exploring the possibilities for sure. I definitely find for a tight sounding tone that using the lowest amount of gain you can get away with helps a lot as well as cutting the low/low mids. It sounds very thin on it's own but helps it sit in the mix so much better and the bass is where you want all your beef anyway haha
@@jjrrecording thats bad ass. I too play through a 10-80 set and I was playing in drop D# just for the hell of it last night and it sounded great. I switched to string joy I have had no complaints my man👌👌
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So melodic and heavy at the same time. Awesome!
Thanks very much
This sounds amazing! I'm surprised D sounds so good on this guitar's scale length. Also those Pinch Harmonics were 🔥
Thanks very much. I was surprised too but I think the weak link is definitely the pickups, they get pretty muddy at this pitch and I found it difficult to remove that with EQ, that aside though I really love this guitar
That's an amazing sound, I love my 8 strings in drop d
Thank you, yeah, it's a lot of fun to play \m/
Got a Bass VI in drop D, with a Revv G3. Beast mode.
@@twilightscarab I'll bet that sounds meaty haha
Sick tunes my dude!
Thanks
Too low ?? it's never too low
Sounds great
haha thanks, I'm tempted to try going lower, need to get a thicker string gauge first
@@jjrrecording or else it sounds sloppy
but lower too me means heavier so for me you can never go to low 🙂
@@MikeAngelo7604 Yeah, I find that the lower you go it gets harder to maintain note definition but you can get around that with the way you write and mix it and it just sounds darker/more sinister which helps the feeling of heaviness
@@jjrrecording Are you dropping it from F# down to D or an entire octive below that?
@@mana20 Every string is tuned down 2 steps with the lowest string then being dropped a further 2 from E down to D so it's an octave below normal 6 string drop D yeah
You playing and tone in this video has made me want to buy an 8 String
Thank you, it takes a bit of work to get used to, but I love it, would definitely recommend trying one out \m/
Brutal f'n riff!!! Would love to hear more.
Thank you, I have a short playlist of 8 string stuff so far, more on the way though
Your channel is underrated. Instant subscribe. I'm glad I found you. Great tunes.
Thank you very much, it means a lot to me when people take the time to listen to my music, I really appreciate it.
That's what mick Gordon used to write the doom soundtrack
Cool, I knew that soundtrack was low, wasn't sure what the tuning was though
I thought it was a 9 string in C# standard
@@8eight104Pretty sure it is.
@@SpartanS117C he used a mayones regius 8 for most of the tracks. Think the 2 main tracks i Can remember the schecter Damien 9 was used for were flesh & metal and creatires of nekravol
who cares
Absolutely killer, nailed the tone too. Really sounds a lot like Mick Gordon's playing with all the ridiculous bends and whatnot, which look like they're way easier than usual considering how low the tuning is lol, love it.
Haha, the strings are a bit looser than normal in this tuning, not a huge difference though due to the string guage.Thanks very much for the comment, I appreciate the comparison. \m/
@@jjrrecording No prob, love watching people muck around with 8 strings, they sound so damn good in capable hands.
@@Venom_Snek Yeah, I really love 8 string stuff, does take some getting used to playing them though haha
This isn't even starting to approach 'too low'. This is basically still in tune. lol
Haha, I'll have to try going lower \m/
That solo reminded me of mid 00's Exodus so much!
Been listening to this for a while now, so glad I got recommended your channel :D
Thank you very much, I appreciate the support \m/ I need to check out more Exodus, I've not heard much but I liked what I heard so they are on the list haha
@@jjrrecording you're welcome! And I think you'll like their stuff, especially the 2000's era as I've mentioned, it just has this catchy groove about it :D
@@iamabominati0n970 Cool man, I'll check some out tomorrow while I'm at work \m/
I was once with a mindset of tuning my guitar lowest possible thinking it was the key to heaviness. 15 years ago, had my Ibanez gio and would ask for bass player friends when they change their string to give me the ones I could fit into my guitar tuning nuts. But I learned that the bass guitar has it's place in the mix for a reason, and keeping my guitars in drop A and B, they give me what I need. I could go even lower then this since I have digitech drop pedal (a whole octave) but it losses on the heaviness. Guitar is to cut, grind, rip, scratch while the bass to fill in all the empty parts with heaviness in the lower spectrum. One of those bass tones I see as the pinnacle is on the static-x album regeneration (especially on accelerate song). This is my opinion but I tried both aspects and that is the conclusion.
I pretty much agree completely, a proper heavy 'guitar tone' in a mix is as much about the bass as it is the guitar and how well they blend. I do think tuning this low has it's place though, it's not really about trying to get heavier so much as about creating a darker atmosphere that you can't get with a higher tuning, but I prefer higher tunings because they tend to sound much more aggressive, it just depends on the situation and what feel you're going for
@@jjrrecording agreed
Dw about me, just watching every 8 string video til my new one comes next week, sick riffs boss
Haha thanks, I know that feeling all too well. I hope the week passes quickly for you
sick riffs and also insanely well mixed performance! gj mate 💪
Thank you very much \m/
That sound will drive any human into a maniacal killing frenzy withiin seconds. I had to dial 999 to protect my neighbours from myself! 🤣
Haha, very considerate of you
Man awesome, I just got a Jackson 7 string and love it I don’t look at my six strings the same anymore
Thank you, I think overall, 7 strings are my favourite type of guitar to play, 8s are fun too though
This is nasty! I'm subbing hoping for some more shit like this. Keep it coming.
Thank you \m/ I do have some more stuff written in this tuning, I just need to get around to doing vids. I really appreciate the support
This is a great song. I think with vocals and a little more post production elements this could be sick as fuck, gonna peep more of your content now :)
Thanks very much. Listening back I agree it needs more work production wise, I just have no idea what I'm doing on that side of things haha. I feel like I'm getting better though and that's all you can ask for really. Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it
This was a fucking awesome aural experience. Cheers for a killer instrumental. Would love to hear something with vocals ala Anthony from After The Burial mixed with Ihsahn style cleans.
Thanks very much dude, I appreciate that. I'd love to get some tracks going with a vocalist, might have something in the works with a sort of deathcore lean, waiting to hear back from the vocalist on that one at the moment but I have a few tracks written for that. Definitely want to get in touch with some more vocalists going forward though. Thanks again.
Wow dude this is sick! 🤟🤟🤟
Thanks dude \m/
killer vibrato there !!
Thanks very much
absolutely lovely
Thanks
BADASS
Thank you
I mean as long as you write for it, any tuning is fair game imo
Yeah, definitely. I find the lower you go, the more accommodations you have to make but that aside, there's no reason not to go as low as you want haha
Oh yeah because mixing can get complicated right? What are some things to consider when recording lower tunings? I’m a noob at mastering lol
Criminally underrated.
Thanks very much \m/
Awesome tone 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks very much
Thanks for posting this, I was planning on getting this guitar solely for this tuning! Very cool track btw, I've listened to it a few times!
Thanks very much, I appreciate it, and based on my experience with it, I would definitely recommend this guitar, great balance of cost to quality in my opinion.
Holy shit that sound really fkn badass
Thanks very much \m/
that sounds insane
Haha thanks
Well done, thinking of getting one of these guitars. Sounds like it records well
Thanks, yeah it's a great guitar for the price in my opinion. At the end of the day it's entirely subjective but I really enjoy this guitar, haven't had any problems with it.
I feel my sacral third eye chakra opening 😂
haha
So cool man
Thanks dude
Slick riffage!❤❤❤❤❤
Thanks very much \m/
catchy riffs
Thanks
Love the octaves bro and how U break into the mad early solo ....djent poly nailed ..evil chords. dime bag demon screams lad 💯 big fn BOM BOMS 8sring drop d fan fretys must make it feel nuclear..I give you 10 out of 10 out of ten
Thanks very much dude, glad you liked it and I appreciate the comment. This one is a lot of fun to play \m/
I like ti! Sounds dope!
Thanks
sounds killer \M/
Thanks
What a great fucking track!!!!! Loving the drop D!!!!!!
Thank you very much. I love that low D too, it's so meaty haha
I have that same Ibanez and tune it to double D. Such a beast. Def change those pickups dude!
Yeah I love this guitar. I had considered looking into different pickups but it's just one thing in a long list of stuff I want to spend money on haha. Once i have the spare cash I think I will though. What would you recommend pickup wise?
@@jjrrecording I have the abasi Fishman fluences, but I had to use a router to widen the pickup cavities a hair to fit them. I wouldn't do this unless you are competent with power tools. As far as other replacements, you cannot go wrong with most dimarzios. D-Activators come to mind
@@GENXJOPLIN Cool man, thanks, I'll definitely look into it once I have some spare money to put into it
Awesome stuff! 🤘🏻
Thanks
That's how I tune my 8 string most of the time, however it is due to Obscure Sphinx's influence which is a drastically different genre.
I go back and forth between F and Drop D, I like both. I haven't heard Obscure Sphinx, I'll give them a listen though
@@jjrrecording OS is certainly unique, it is more focused on atmosphere rather than technical or brutal riffage. They are described as either doom or post metal. I think it's best to start with Thaumaturgy I album, which is a live concert recording of their most popular songs.
As far as tuning goes, myself I jump between F# and double drop D (DADADGBE).
I mean, the reason why I bought 8 string in the first place was Batushka hype, but my perspective changed a little over time.
@@MultiGolonka Cool man, I haven't tried the double Drop D thing yet but I do fancy trying it. I'll have to give Batushka a listen too, always up for listening to new stuff, you never know what you might like until you hear it haha
@@jjrrecordingBatushka is a tricky subject, since the vocalist hijacked the project and now you have two bands with the same name. OG album is Litourgiya which is to be found on vocalist's spotify, and the successor is Panihida. All other albums were made by the thief.
@@MultiGolonka Ok, thanks for the info. I'll give them a listen over the weekend \m/
I was in this tuning on my 6 string this morning lol
I would never have thought of trying that haha
Great job!
Thank you
awesome
Thank you
Love the tone 🤘
Thank you \m/
Hell yes.
Thanks \m/
Nice ❤
Thank you
Sounds soo Doom ❤
Thanks very much \m/
This sounds really good, but I know of one band that got to A0 on an 8 string without pitch shifting: Fractalize
Thanks, not sure if I've heard anything by them, I'll have to check them out
This tuning just sounds like the armies of hell have emerged from the depths of tartarus
Haha, it does indeed. Makes pretty much anything sound ominous/evil
Sounds similar to Doom Eternal. Send this to ID Software, maybe they'll let u compose the next Doom game.
Awesome sound and skill. Keep on rockin🤘
That's a very flattering comparison, thank you. Not sure I could fill Mick Gordon's shoes though haha
So cool man. 🤟🤟🤟
Thanks \m/
🐻phat tone ❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥
Haha Thanks
that's the heaviest mix I've ever heard
Haha, thanks
Hi again! One more question :)
Is it comfortable to play the multi-scale guitar? (I mean the scary fan-frets, is it hard to point with fingers to right position on the fretboard?)
I can't decide what to choose: the RG8 or RGMS8 🤷 :)
Because I never played multi-scale, and my town is too small to go in the music store and try it myself (the only one music store has no 8 string guitar at all , and the 7 string guitar too :) )
Btw. if we dive into physics the multi-scale guitars are much closer to physics of sound (normal strings tension distribution etc. ) than guitars with standard fretboard. This fact is confusing me too - physics-friendly guitar but absolutely unknown and brand-new (of course for me :) ) VS standard guitar like RG8 but with potential issues with strings tension/gauge due to their standard fretboard 🤷 Btw never played both guitars ☝️
Sorry for my English :)
Thanks again for the perfect performance 👍👍👍 love tone of double Drop D
Hi, no problem, you're english is very good. As for the fanned frets, I honestly don't even notice them when playing most of the time. At first it can be a bit weird visually, but it doesn't actually feel any different (to me at least) The only real difference it makes is the slightly bigger stretch between frets on the low strings due to the scale length.Overall I wouldn't worry about it being a factor to be honest, it feels basically the same to play, just looks a bit weird haha.
Thank you for the kind words, I wish you luck in making your decision \m/
@@jjrrecordingHi bro! Thanks for your advice and recommendations!
I finally bought a RG8 (white) ! A good guitar, I love the Ibanez. I tuned the tone for a couple of days to make it look like your tone. I learned that I can't just add gain and get a good sound :) like on a 6 and 7 string guitar :) I need to add a little overdrive before the main amp! (I use Gojira like you)
And only then (possibly) can I get a good djent :) but before that I need to play with the settings knobs for a long time :) Now the tone is similar to yours (but still far away :) )
By the way! My friends and I drank Ballantines (my favorite scotch) and high-quality сrimеаn cognac in the park and listened to Animals As Leaders, Messhugah and your compositions that I downloaded from UA-cam. We listened to it through the middle+ JBL speaker. So, my friends asked me to play YOUR music! (my musical preferences coincided with their preferences: in the end we listened to your compositions + a little Messhugah)
Cool !!!🤘🤘🤘
@@le_rockshark You're welcome dude, I'm happy to help when I can. I'm glad to hear you got your guitar, I hope you enjoy it.
As far as the tone goes, I would say that less low end will give you more clarity and a tighter sound overall.
It's nice to hear you chose to listen to my music along side the greats haha, very flattering. I really appreciate the support, so thank you \m/
@@jjrrecording By the way, thanks for the advice! I tried to suppress (cut) the LOW frequencies BEFORE Gojira and the tone became more readable! Thank you!
Also inside Gojira, I previously used a light Overdrive (OD) as a preamp before the main amplifier, now I turned it off and instead use the same little Distortion DRT) and the sound became even clearer and more readable, sharper when djent! (the guitar seems to "growl" 🦁!!!)
_(but less meaty / beefy, because it is the OD preamp that gives us the beef. But I fixed this when I slightly increased the Gain in the main amplifier)_ .
This game is interesting - searching for the ideal tone :)))
I am still playing and looking for the ideal gain/tone balance in the preamp and main amplifier. It's fun :)
Still far from ideal tone but i'm an optimist :)
My complete chain: RG8 (F std. tuning) -> 2i2 -> PC/Reaper -> VST pre-EQ (low cut ! ) -> VST Gojira (distortion -> main amp -> post-EQ) -> 2i2 -> BD 770pro
Thanks!🤘🤘🤘
@@le_rockshark No problem dude, I'm glad to hear you're enjoying the process, it's definitely a lot of fun \m/
Honestly the super low tunings only works when done right. It would probably work better with pretty clean guitar parts since it has the bass and all the high strings. Rob scallion is one I can think of who uses it well for pretty stuff and it works really well. Not saying this isn’t cool. The low notes just get muddy and messy and kinda get boring riding on the low string so much.
You're not wrong, it's definitely pretty muddy but I don't think it's as much to do with the tuning as it is with the fact I don't have the knowledge/skill for mixing haha. At this point I could probably get a clearer/better mix but I still don't have a clue what I'm doing haha. I actually quite like the drone/riding the low string vibe but I can definitely see your point and I think if I were to redo this song I'd add a bit more variation. I appreciate the feedback though so thank you \m/
Chunky chugs. Me like
How are you liking the RGMS8? I'm considering upgrading to an 8-string myself but I have no idea what guitar to go for. My local guitar store never has any 8-strings in stock and thus I never get the chance to try one out. I have tiny hands and are wondering how much of a problem that is lol. I own a 7-string Schecter Hellraiser and I'm quite happy with it, but I think maybe the neck of an 8-string would be too thick for me. Also, I see your guitar has fanned frets, does that make playing any easier (or perhaps more difficult)? I'm sorry for all the questions. Great playing by the way, although that should go without saying!❤
Thanks, I appreciate the kind words. I really like the RGMS8, it's a great playing guitar especially for it's price range. The neck is surprisingly thin for an 8 string but Ibanez generally have very thin necks. As for the fanned frets, the only time I ever really even notice them is playing a barre chord at the first fret where the angle is at it's steepest but I wouldn't say it makes it any harder to play. It does make for more of a stretch on the lowest strings though. I think the Hellraiser is 26.5 scale length which isn't much less than the RGMS8's low string scale at 27.2 and is actually longer than the high string scale which is 25.5. Looking at the stats there isn't much difference in neck thickness either. I think if you can play comfortably on a 7 you should be able to adjust to an 8. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
@@jjrrecording Thank you so much for your in-depth answer! I will definitely try and see if I can find the RGMS8 or any similar Ibanez for that matter. If it means I'm gonna have to go for a road trip then so be it. I own an Ibanez grgr131ex and that thing is an absolute beast despite only costing £200 retail price, so I guess Ibanez is the way to go. Again, thank you so much :)
@@SorrowAngel97 You're welcome. Trying before you buy is definitely the wise choice, especially when changing string count haha. Good luck on your search.
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Sick riffing dude! I`m bout to get the same 8 string. What Gauge do you use for this Drop D Tuning?
Thank you, I used a set of 10-80 here, definitely usable but depending on how hard you pick it might be worth going thicker as I had to adjust my picking a bit to compensate
Share your amp & eq settings & I'll subscribe 😉 💪
This sounds awesome, btw
Haha, thanks. I used Archetype Nolly for this, it was the 'Nolly's Murmur' preset with a lot of the low end removed from the first 3 bands of the multi band eq and I'm using the 'Down with the thickness' preset in GGD Cali Cabs. Almost all of the low end here is coming from the bass which is going through the 'afeared' preset in Parallax. The master chain makes quite a big difference too though. If you want more detail, I have screenshots I can send you, just send me a message at jjrrecording@gmail.com. I have to point out though, that I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to mixing, it's all just tweaking presets by trial and error haha
@@jjrrecording good enough for me, glad I didn't throw my bass away. Subbed!! Ty for responding, & your mix sounds sweet.
@@benbear6337 No problem, thanks very much, I appreciate it \m/
I have same guitar... what is the gauge of strings to escape muddiness at low end in this tuning level?
I used a set of 10-80 on this song, I would recommend going thicker than that for D1, maybe an 85, as I found the 80 to be overly loose and prone to rattle, definitely playable, but I'll be going thicker next time I tune this low. For avoiding muddiness though I would recommend EQ to remove a fair bit of low end from the tone, that's the main culprit for mud, leave the low end to the bass haha, it's the biggest thing that helped me start getting clearer mixes.
String gauge dude?
This was a set of 10-80, the 80 is a bit too loose at D1 for my taste though
@@jjrrecording thanks dude
@@IDAFFIRANU No problem
Just got a custom made 8 headless with a 28-26.5 scale length. Would you say the 80’s are good or would you go to 85 for D1? AMAZING tone/grooves none the less.
Thank you very much. I think the 80s are decent at D1 but not great, they're definitely a bit more prone to rattling than I'd like. I think an 85 would probably be better, although I haven't tried a set yet, I intend to go thicker on the next set I buy.
@@jjrrecording yea. I really like tonejoy’s 8 sets. I’ll definitely get a 85 and 90 to feel out the best. I managed to pull it off with 74’s but my action is much higher than I want it aha. I basically like getting the tone with the “lightest” strings I can get away with.
@@peterbatten596 Haha I imagine a 74 at D1 was just pure noodle. I'm going to try for 85 next time since I found the 80 usable, just not ideal and 90 is probably more than necessary. Good luck finding a happy balance though
@@jjrrecording I’ll definitely let you know after I try the 84 I got and how the 90 (heavy/medium) work as well!
@@peterbatten596 Yeah please do, I'd be interested to hear how you find them
I think it sounds pretty good. I play in DGDGCFAD on my 8 string so I'm familiar with this. I'm curious what you do for bass. Is it a real bass that you're using or a VST? I do a thing where I have my regular 4 string bass tuned to DGDG, the same octave as the guitars, but then duplicate it and drop the second track down an octave. The regular bass track is just a high passed distorted thing, while the low track is a very low passed clean track. The high track is meant to be heard while the low track is meant to be felt, since the notes are pretty much nonexistent at that frequency. I think it works really well and fills in the low end nicely. I wish I had a good example to share, but the album I'm working on hasn't dropped yet. I did also duplicate the guitars and put them through different amp sims, one for a more mid focused tone for body, and a more trebly tone for note clarity.
And for strings, since I see you were using a regular 9-80 set and they were a bit floppy on the low strings, I use regular D'Addario 9-42 strings and then a 68 and 95 from String Joy. I'm not sure what the shipping to Scotland is like, but it's a solid option. 👍
Thanks, the bass in this is a 5 string tuned A D G C F, same octave as the guitar. That goes through Neural parallax for tone. I used to do a similar thing with the bass, split into two channels, one for high/distortion and one for low/clean tones, never tried lowering the octave on the clean track though. After I tried parallax though, I just found it much easier to get a tone I liked with that and thought it sounded better so that's what I'm using most of the time now.
I've got the guitar up to drop E at the moment for some deathcore-ish stuff I'm writing but in the future I want to try some more super low stuff and I'll definitely look at a thicker gauge, 95 is a beast though haha. Thanks for the detailed comment, I appreciate it
@@jjrrecording That's fair. I run my Jazz bass through the Aurora Mammoth and it sounds disgusting. XD
I imagine people just run the bass at the same octave, but for whatever reason, the lower octave added in there just worked for me. Definitely worth a try but I understand if you're not into it. I feel like it's even harder to get it to sit right that way than it would be otherwise but I like the sound. :P
And yes, the 95 is a lot, had to make the nut slot HUGE for it. :P
@@Just-Michael I've seen people using a synth bass or just a clean sub in the lower octave, it definitely lends a meaty low end which I like and it's something I might try in future. I just haven't spent much time learning the mix/production side of things as yet. Thus far I've tended to prioritise ease/speed of workflow to keep it out of the way as much as possible since the actual writing is what I enjoy the most. I should really spend more time learning to mix though haha
@@jjrrecording That makes sense. Lucky for you though, your mixes are good. I put in a bunch of work and it doesn't sound any better than this. 😂
@@Just-Michael Thanks, for me it's just been a case of improving a little bit at a time for a long time, picking up little bits here and there. It's only really in the last year or so I've managed to reach a point where I could convince myself it might be worth sharing some stuff. I have hours and hours worth of what I think are good ideas/riffs recorded, they just have really poor mixes haha, seems like such a chore to go back and remix stuff. I'm trying to be better about that though
If I can't hear the string wobbling instead of vibrating then it isn't low enough. If I can tell what note it is it's not low enough
Hahaha, a true connoisseur of low tunings
Great Vid man! The tune is killer. I found your page looking for demos for this guitar as I've been thinking of getting one or something similar. How well does it stay in tune/intonation etc?
Thanks dude, I really appreciate that. This is the only 8 string I've played so I can't offer any comparisons but I will say I've found the intonation and tuning both to be pretty solid, especially for the price range. For tuning this low I'd say a slightly longer scale length would be better but it's definitely workable and I'm usually tuned to F anyway, it's one of my favourite guitars at the moment. I hope that helps and good luck on your search.
Thanks yo! That definitely helps! 🤘🏼
String gauge?
10-80 for this one
Loving the sound, what gauge is the set of strings? I’m thinking of getting this guitar, coming from a Harley Benton baritone 7. Is it still all factory specs or did you make any changes?
Thank you. This was a set of NYXL 10-80 but they were a bit floppy at this pitch so I would say an 80 would be the minimum I would use for tuning this low, that being said I think you'd need to widen the nut slot to get a thicker gauge to fit but I haven't attempted that yet. This guitar is still completely factory spec yeah, I didn't even give it a setup or anything, just new strings.
Thanks!
@@MilkoOfficialChannel No problem
Hey, I’m getting this guitar in the mail today. Any suggestions on gauge strings? I hear the ones shipped with it aren’t really that great. I did order .10-.85 from Stringjoy hoping that will be sufficient.
Hi, I think a set of .10-.85 should be pretty good for D1. Obviously there's a lot of personal taste involved when it comes to string gauge but I had a set of .10-.80 on here and it was fine, but I did find that I had to pick softer than usual to accommodate the lower tension, but I do tend to pick really hard so I think an .85 would be great for this range.
for a little more money you can get the rg80f with fishmans, would you think fishmans could handle low tuning better?
I couldn't say for sure but my guess would be yes, they would handle it better. These being the stock pickups I think they're pretty good but definitely tend to be a bit muddy in the lows
Drop D on an 8 string? Can you explain to me because I'm confused. I would think it was Drop E on an 8 string because the lowest string would be an F#. I'm new to drop tunings
No problem. You're right that normally a drop tuning on an 8 string would give you a low E but in this case the whole guitar is also tuned down a further whole tone from there so the tuning is (low to high) D A D G C F A D
ten56 pitch shift to double drop D and its disgustingly heavy
That's a good idea actually, I've been using Neural's transpose function quite a bit recently, haven't gone that low with it yet though
man! nice riffs and tunning. but how did you got the proper strings to it? i only found the regular 8 strings from ibanez for sale, do you use some bass strings or something? because if i drop it a whole tone then a D, strings get too loosen...tips? thanks
Thanks dude, I used a set of NYXL 10-80 gauge strings for this, and I'm pretty sure Ernie Ball have a set of 10-80 as well. I did find that even with an 80, the lowest string was fairly loose. I had to pick softer than I usually would which helped but even then it tends to rattle easily. You can get thicker strings too, I've seen individual strings up to 84 but they're usually out of stock here. I don't know if any of that helps, but good luck, keep trying \m/
@@jjrrecording thanks man, but here in brazil we have not that much options.. but i will look for those thickers. thanks for answer me, i am new into the 8 strings world. and realized there are not too many options here for sale.
@@TheAlancordeiro Ah that's a shame, sorry to hear that. I hope you find something to suit your needs though
When you throw a blind kid at the ball and it catches him
I'm not sure what that means, but it made me chuckle
How would you play the bass in this song? Would you even need one?
Yeah I played the bass for this too, most of the low-end in the mix is the bass rather than the guitar, they're tuned to the same octave so they mesh together a lot more
What is the thickness of the strings?
It's a set of 10-80
Nice, I always am annoyed by how much low cutting I have to do in lower tunings like this, otherwise it sounds like doom metal, which nobody wants
Thanks, yeah I did a lot of cutting in the low end with this, listening back it's definitely still messy but I didn't understand much about mixing when I did this track. I can definitely get better results now but I'm sure I'll be saying the same thing in a year's time haha, it's a long road
Nice! Can i have the tabs for that so i could learn it someday.
Thanks. I don't have a tab for it, but I'll see if I can find the time to write one out for you
Fantastic!What gauge of strings r u using?
Thank you, this was recorded with a set of 10-80 NYXL strings
Yo what gauge strings are you using? Just got back into an 8 string and want to make sure I got the best gauge for some solid twang.
I recorded this with a set of 10-80, I'd recommend going thicker than that on the low strings for tuning this low, I found the 80 to be pretty loose and prone to rattle at D1. Definitely playable but not ideal for my preference.
Thanks man. I got some NYXL 84-09s. I’ll see how they go for this tuning.
Whats your string gauges ?
I used a set of 10-80 for this song, I found the 80 to be a little bit loose for D1, for my taste anyway, but it wasn't too bad
@@jjrrecording Awesome, thanks brudah. 🪓🤘🏿🎸
@@Jaypocalypse888 No problem
This is dope. Are you in a band or anything?
Thanks very much, not in a band at the moment no. I have a lot of different projects I'm working on though, would love to collaborate with other people too, especially vocalists since that's just not something I can do haha
@@jjrrecording I have amateur level experience with recording myself and would love to work with you to see if we can make some tasty jams. Is it possible to DM on youtube? lol If you wanna send me your email i'll shoot some covers over to you to check out.
@@rickjames5684 Sure thing dude, sounds good. Not sure if there's a messaging system on youtube but my email is just jjrrecording@gmail.com. If you send them there I'll check them out for sure. I can also send you some demo stuff to see what you think or we could start something from scratch too
@@jjrrecording I'd love to check out your demos and see if I can get something flowing. I just sent you an email with the subject line "Vocal covers".
@@rickjames5684 Cool man, I'm just heading out to work so I'll get back to you once I get home.
Too low??
Never!
No rules, only Theory.
I agree, I've always found the best route to creativity is ignoring the rules and just doing what sounds good to you.
@@jjrrecording at the end of the day making music is supposed to be fun. People lose that with all the boxes they try to fit in with what they do. Just do what you like ;)
@@DALILAVEY Absolutely, that's the way I've always tried to look at it and it definitely makes it a lot more fun
Nice tone, what do you use? Been trying to get that Doom guitar tone.
Thanks. For this one I used Archetype Nolly from Neural DSP and the cali cabs from GGD. I think it's worth noting though that the mixbus/mastering chain makes a big difference as well although I'm not particularly knowledgeable on that side of things.
Is that an octave down from regular drop d?
It is yeah
Do you have stock pickups? How did you make this shit sounds that good?
Yeah, this is the guitar as delivered, didn't even do a setup or anything. Recorded DI and used Archetype Nolly with Cali Cabs, no other processing except the master chain on the whole mix.Most of the low-end is coming from the bass though, cheap Ibanez 5 string through Parallax.I think if you have a decent quality DI to work with you can make any guitar sound good with a bit of tweaking. The amp/ampsim and mixing are far more important than the actual guitar.
@@jjrrecording Thank you for the answer. I am really impressed by the tone you made. Cheers!
@@msnrc You're welcome and thank you, glad you liked it
What gauge your strings are and how long is the scale?
This was a set of 10-80 and the scale length is 27.26" on the lowest string and 25.5" on the highest string
Looking at getting this beast what gauge bro ?
It's a great guitar, I'm using a set of 10-80 here
Damm! What string gauge are you using?
I was trying out an nyxl 9-80 set on this, even at 80 the low string was pretty loose, not as bad as I expected though, still perfectly playable
Not to low at all,my go to tuning on my 8 string is daeadgbe
Cool, I haven't tried that one before, sounds interesting though
How do you monitor your audio out when recording? (how do you deal with latency?) thanks!
I go through a scarlett 2i2 into Logic and I use Neural plugins, the audio just goes straight to the speakers. I get major latency issues with any real processing so that's all turned off when recording and I use a stereo instance of kontakt instead of my multi-out kit for drums to save on processing too. I only turn everything on for rendering the full track. Using a standalone plugin is a good option too, rather than an instance in the DAW. Lastly, setting the buffer size as low as you can get away with helps cut down on latency. I hope some of that helps \m/
@@jjrrecording Thank you for the thoughtful and detailed explanation, sir! 🤘🤘
@@MaximumPasta No problem dude \m/
I had latency problems until I realized my headphones should be plugged into the audio interface and not the computer’s jack. On both that crappy computer and my new one the latency was zero when plugged into the interface. My recording deal is janky so it’s probably not as difficult on the computer as a smart person’s setup. I honestly have no clue what I’m doing but I enjoy doing it so don’t take anything I just said as serious advice.
@@13_cmi I haven't tried with headphones while playing actually but I don't have too much issue with roundtrip latency in general, but my computer just can't handle the amount of processing I have in a full mix context so the easiest solution is just to record without it haha
8 string guitar in drop d. Bro, get a bass 😂😂😂 but really that 8 sounds sick af
Hahaha, thanks dude
Cool. Whats the gauge of the lowest string and what plugin dou you use
Thank you, I used an .80 for the low string here and Archetype Nolly for the tone
@@jjrrecording thx for the answer could share ur preset(s) for nolly
@@efeefendioglu2584 No problem. I used the Nolly's Murmur preset then removed some of the lowest 3 bands on the EQ and I actually used Cali Cabs instead of the Nolly Cab section. If you want more detail you can email me at jjrrecording@gmail.com and I can send you some screenshots from the project
@@jjrrecording thank you very much bro I'll try it out and if needed ill sent the mail
@@efeefendioglu2584 No problem dude, good luck
what drums do you use?)
This was the OKW Metal kit from GGD, I think it was just the stereo version with a bit of extra parallel compression, nothing fancy
What gauge strings do you have? Also you tone is great ! Would you be able to get the same tone with just an amp and a distortion pedal and Maybe a noise gate?
Thank you. I had been trying a set of nyxl strings for a couple weeks before I recorded this, I think they were 9-80, I liked them but they are pricey. For the tone, I think you could get something close with that sort of set-up, would take a bit of fine tuning though I think. I would say though, the master chain on the track changes the tone quite a lot, not sure how close I could get with a real amp setup but probably something equivalent though, and yeah, noise gate is your friend when playing 8 string haha.
@@jjrrecording I may try using a modeling software then, something like tonebridge, which one do you use? Im still fairly new to playing through a computer.
@@austinjoiner5968 I have a few different amp sims but I used Neural DSP Archetype Nolly for this song. They have a lot of really great products, that's the one I use most often though. I'll do my best to answer any other questions you have, though I'm no expert myself haha.
Infelizmente no meu país, essas guitarras chegam com preços altíssimos.
Enquanto a média salarial é 2.000 reais, o preço da guitarra é 7.000 á 10.000 reais.
Isso parece muito injusto, é uma bela guitarra mas não vale tanto. Lamento saber que é tão caro para você
I love this tone, you are killing it. Do you use Overdrive 1 or 2 of Archetype Nolly? Would you cut bass freq before the amp? I'm fine with amp 3 of Archetype Nolly for this distorted sound, but having a hard time getting crunchy tight sound on amp2. The lows seemed to flying everywhere if I don't make a eq cut before amp.
Thanks very much. I'm using OD 1 on this with drive at about 9 o'clock and tone about 2 o'clock with the level at full into amp 3. I didn't do any pre-eq, just removed a significant amount of low end with the multi band eq, across the first 4 bands. Also using the cali cabs changed the tone quite noticeably too.
@@jjrrecording Nice to know that. I'm using DV -77 cab which has tons of low mids, I cut at 250 and 500hz a lot with multi band eq and it sounds killer with amp 3. Just amp 2 I'm having troubles. Afyer some tinkering I found OD2 has a much wider range than OD1, the knobs are very sensitive. I'm set with OD2, volume at about 2 o clock and very little gain. Also bass at 0. At first I thought it's the same as OD1 I used full volume, but I found that gives me much much more gain than OD1
@@progun1corn Cool, I haven't experimented with amp 2 very much, I need to spend a bit more time exploring the possibilities for sure. I definitely find for a tight sounding tone that using the lowest amount of gain you can get away with helps a lot as well as cutting the low/low mids. It sounds very thin on it's own but helps it sit in the mix so much better and the bass is where you want all your beef anyway haha
What string gauge do you use to obtain this awesome tuning?
This is a set of 10-80, I wouldn't go any lighter than that for this tuning
@@jjrrecording thats bad ass. I too play through a 10-80 set and I was playing in drop D# just for the hell of it last night and it sounded great. I switched to string joy I have had no complaints my man👌👌
@@spongebob6664 Cool, I haven't tried Stringjoy, I usually use Ernieball or NYXL. It's definitely a lot of fun to experiment with tunings \m/
I bumped up the gauge from a 80 to a 85 on a 27 inch scale, I highly recommend it