Should Men Wipe Out Their Estrogen? Muscle Growth, Fat Loss & Quality Of Life
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Oh almighty Deltlord, teach us your ways and bless us with information
*bless us with gainz
Last night I saw a deltoid shaped shadow on the moon, and today we get a new video. It might be a coincidence, maybe it was just a passing cloud, but, you know, just sayin, I bear witness. It’s like the “bat” signal.
Mo’ Dishes Mo’ Bishes
Those delts are a little too big, they might be abscesses from injections 🤷♂️
I enjoy when Derek goes full vocab.
Super Physiological
Supra
Agree, that part around 04:58 was particularly enjoyable.
Yes! I’ve missed these kind of videos Derek.
As an OG sub, this stuff is why I followed you. Great to see some more :)
Where are the teenagers blasting tren??? Literally unwatchable.
@@hakarlrs9817 you have lost your bro card
My friend had some issues with his trt and aromatase inhibitor which ended up tanking his estrogen and his quality of life has dramatically got worse as his emotions are all over the place due to the fluctuation of hormones. So I can definitely attest to the importance of having optimum test levels.
@Nero thank you for sharing this. I’m thinking of doing the same
Im only on letro and finasteride 2.5 a day for 4 months and I feel way better than before, my lethargy only lasted for the first 4 weeks
I use .125 and drink shit ton of water helps my tits to lose water and I feel fine doing this when needed generally 1-2 times a week or when I feel I need it.
Even if your hormones are completely stable, low e2 will still cause issues.
well ur friend shouldn't have messed up his hormones to be on trt in the first place
Low estrogen is the worst thing I've ever experienced. Crashed my e2 to non existent levels with eq and aromison. I couldn't eat, sleep, joints were destroyed, knees permanently damaged, constantly depressed, low libido, basically feels like nothing matters anymore. Had this for a good 6 months and then decided to run my e2 in the higher range. I was worried I would get gyno, stalled my gains really bad too. Fuck low estrogen.
How high did you dose the EQ? I've heard people dosing it as high as 900mg/wk but that shit is just insane, like I did pretty good on just 400mg/wk
You thought you would get gyno from lower it or increasing it??
Im the opposite then
@@moshuunderwater2624 I was extremely lean and I'm also quite the aromitiser or so I thought. I usually blast 400mg test e with any compound with about 12.5mg-25mg aromsin twice a week(if needed depending on other compounds).
I was on eq for only probably 2 weeks or so before I started getting low e2 sides after front loading. If I remember I was on probably a 1:1 ratio of test to eq.
@@IAmGabe777 increasing it. I was paranoid, I've since about 6 months ago allowed my e2 to raise and my most recent bloods showed me above normal range after 4 days or so after a 25mg of aromsin dose.
Trestalone worked wonders for crashed e2.
Thanks for the educational content. I think alot of guys have a misunderstanding of how important estrogen levels are. Commenting for the algorithm as usual
Especially in terms of ageing. It actually helps you live longer
It's like he potentially read my brain like bro!!
Seems like most guys think low estrogen is ideal, which is completely incorrect. It's so important to have healthy levels in proportion to testosterone.
Yes forget how people feel through trial and error, we all gota love the E2.
So true
Thank you for the video! I commented on a previous video about my e2 being 6.02 pg/mL through marek blood work, never done sarms or AAS, low T for my age too. The ED, fatigue, and general apathy are profound. Starting Test and HCG, hopefully they help.
I was dealing with a similar situation due to a serious health condition that I suffered from in my late 20's. I dealt with the symptoms for years(after treatment). I tried many natural solutions with only marginal improvement. Finally in my 30's i started TRT. Wow! What a game changer. I feel fantastic now. Good luck.
I'd love to hear updates
I hope you have success with this protocol …
Is E2 the same as estradiol in a blood test?
@@ForzaTerra89 Yes, Estradiol is generally categorized as E2 on the blood panel. I have to get blood drawn every couple months to keep my levels in check.
I'm glad I came across your videos. I started TRT with 1mg Anastrozole a week. I went from feeling great to absolutely gutted in a few weeks. No interest in ANYTHING. Crashed estrogen for sure. Switched my injections from once a week to every 3 days and stopped the AI. I feel amazing, libido is there, Morning W is there, that invincible feeling is coming back. Thanks for doing what you do.
This is what I am going thru. DOc said your estrogen is high take the AI. Then it made me feel like shit. Why do they tell us are estrogen is high when my test went up 3x the amount is was
Nice to see the delt king back into posting more often! Quality information as always!
The Deltlord blessing us with supraphysiological amounts of educational content 🙏
This some good old school MPMD sh%t right here boys
MPMD?
These type of educational vids are what brought me here all those years ago. Thank you Derek
My doc had me on letrozole along with my TRT, I had some bad side effects (libido) so I stopped it. Went back to see him, then he was like "well you're young enough that you don't really need an estrogen blocker anyway" after I brought up some points from these videos... He went on to suggest one capsule of letrozole a week instead of every other day. His practice definitely falls into the "selling as many meds as possible" category, which I knew going in. But unfortunately it is/was the best local option to get TRT.
Well...you can always not take it lol.
@@alexforce9 normal logic doesn't exist nowadays!
If I had a doctor who would prescribe me testosterone, I would find it good enough. Those guys act like their life depends on low-quality-of-life patients staying miserable.
Nobody explains things so clearly yet in depth as Derek
Receiving marketing texts from any other company: “Leave me alone you money mongers!”
Receiving marketing texts from Gorilla Mind: “Hell yeah, closest thing I’ll ever get to Derek himself texting me, but I’ll take it!!!”
The way you layout the facts is perfect bro. Thank you for putting this together, very helpful.
I just recently accidentally crashed my estrogen. Was the worst FUCKING feeling of my life. Legit nothing mattered, I felt like trash, drive was non existent. Never want to feel that way again.
Been there too. Low e2 is 100x worse than high e2
I'm natty and did it with a low dose of DIM, felt horrible
how long did it take you to get out of it? i plan on doing a cycle of 250 mg test in 2 injections a week( 125 mg each). Do yo think there is a chance I would crush my estradiol with 0.25 mg of Anastrozole (arimidex) twice a week? I wanna play it safe, and it would be better to underdose it than overdose it.
@@oxxylix504why would you need an AI at such a low test dosage?
thanks to ur info I used to be deathly afraid of estrogen levels while on cycle/trt. but know I have come to realize it's a necessity but as with male hormones u have to dial it in and need more than I was originally taught and believed I needed. this is why we need ur help ....thanks
Taking 100mg of DHEA a day orally. As an older guy, there is some evidence of effects, I must say that combined with 3-days fasts, no breakfast, meat-dominant food, good sleep, and 2x full body + 2x cardio + light full body, I feel very well, way above the average 53-year old. Body fat down to 15, from 30+, going to 10 for the heck of it, will try to stabilize at 12…
I get questions on TRT, since people believe the improvements are unattainable, I say I am natty-ish, due to the DHEA…
So really interrested in hearing if other older people have had any experiences with dhea. It does not work in younger people, I believe that is well established, but it has put my thoughts regarding TRT on hold for now…
If you are augmenting an androgen, it isn’t natty.
@@domepiece11 thank you, first time I get feedback on DHEA. I think along those lines, DHEA supports both androgens and estrogens, but is not discussed by the UA-camrs I follow really. Maybe because it only works in older people…?
@S my advice would be for you to stop. DHEA as I understand only has benefits for elder people, where it can maybe help as a precursor for androgens and estrogens. Older people have lower levels of many hormones. And it appears to have the greatest impact in menopausal women.
There are almost always negative feedback loops in the hormonal systems, so taking a substituting molecule can easily make you produce less yourself.
That risk could be smaller in an elder individual, hypothetically, as long as the molecule in mention does not reach a higher level than the individual would have produced naturally.
You should wait 30 years before considering taking DHEA. You risk messing up your development 🙂.
I am 53, and I have been 30 kg overweight, and could hardly walk. I had a lot less to loose.
When stopping, you can expect hormonal fluctuations while your body adapts, it is likely to be a bumpy ride, so strap in. Make sure to get some saturated fats (butter, fat from steaks, etc) and plenty of D-vitamin.
Best wishes
@S what are you solving for? At 18, focus should be on sleeping, nutrition, cardio, moderate resistance training, and developing strategies for coping with adult struggles, while doing your training/studies of choice. Not messing with your hormone system…
I am a dad of 4, one at your age, so I get into dad-mode, sorry 🙂.
It's interesting that Dr's are saying men who have been on TRT for 30 years, have better cognition than their patients who aren't. I wonder if it's from the raised estrogen too? Maybe they're a little more active on average too.
Everyone knows estrogen is really important, but like testostesterone, it has it's sweet spot. There are some in the community who go with the mentality "the more the better"
If everyone was smart they would get a hormone check base early in life before doing steroids
@@user-ep6wd7ip7v I’m confused on what that has to do with his original comment ?
I have no problem with healthy estrogen levels... But it's hard to argue that the more testosterone the better, unless you're a woman or have already super high supra physiological levels.
This is exactly right. I feel great when my estradiol is 25-30 but like total shit once it gets above 40.
Because you need a baseline
I crushed mine and felt like death. Super dry, joints hurt, felt super weak, I couldn't even go down on a knee without feeling like I bruised the shit out of my knee cap. Also the anxiety and depression was intense. Like I just felt sad for no reason all the time.
I've noticed that my joints ache so bad with little to no exercise causing the pain, the Drs are trumping it up to not being hydrated enough
@@96vqSE5 I was peeing like crazy with Low e2
How did you recover?
@@theredditreview3486 stopped taking AI
How long did you take it for?
The best way to listen to Derek's more technical information is to find a pair of glasses, put the tip of one arm to your lips and nod knowingly saying "yes, yes".
Even though you don't get 10% of it.
Wearing a fake stethoscope may also help.
10% is lowballing tbh
this channel is a real blessing bruh 💯
Could you a video on the use of puberty blockers and HRT on kids(good?/bad?). Seems like a big subject going around these days, thanks.
Atleast an educational vid on it would be awesome. And just like an objective “if they do this at this age, it may cause these longterm effects etc etc”. It would get insane views and be an actually taken seriously video considering the fact that many people in that realm of kids and hrt aren’t telling the full truth on anything
Probably best to stay away from the political talking points and to rather focus on gym bro shit.
@@Gematrinator bad idea but imo needed, but again i wouldnt want derek to get in trouble
@@truthbetold8233 didn’t he do a video about Lia Thomas?
@@ItsbrianW unfortunately he did, and it was pretty cringey.
I wonder about the replicability of this study. I know someone who took an AI by itself, no AAS at all, and said that it got rid of his belly fat.
Also, it seems like the fat increases coinciding with AI cohort taper off with the higher the levels of testosterone are, possibly suggesting that low estrogen appears to be concurrent only with lower levels of T. It may also be the case perhaps that these findings are only the case with free T and not bound T. I’m wondering how much this translates to superphysiological levels T.
yah i am taking like 0.62mg letrozole without aas No ed I have slight anxiety but i had it before i took letrozole probably beacuse of my ocd. I am taking them for 3 weeks now maybe my estrogen didn't crash yet
This is why I never wipe
bro takes a shit and then gets up
Damn I was gonna comment something similar 😂
Wym
💀
I wish I got this joke.
This is the MPMD I’ve been missing
this is like a greatest hits compilation of oldschool mpmd videos
On the subject of estrogen: I've often heard that eating soy increases estrogen and that this can feminize men, but the other day, another fitness UA-camr said that eating soy feminizes men AND masculinizes women. I'd love to hear your assessment of this! Is that true? How does higher estrogen masculinize women?
It’s a myth.
both are absolute bullshit
Not true, and don't listen to another word that "fitness" youtuber has to say lmao
Soy is apparently actually good for testosterone production, milk is bad because it has estrogen in it so the whole soyboy thing is a myth
Phytoestrogens have very little, if any effect, on human hormones.
Also, if you care about phytoestrogens in soy, you should really care about the 100x as abundant phytoestrogens present in hops which goes into beer, or the actual bioidentitical mammalian estrogen found in dairy products. The research however shows soy has no impact on estrogen or test levels.
Loving the information Derek!
I crushed my estrogen for years trying to keep some mild gyno away, ultimately had the surgery anyway and since not having a routine of arimidex my nervous system and bloodwork have improved a lot. Sleeping better, less jittery, less anxious, better recovery,, etc.
Men need some estrogen.
If you have Gyno you should help out your liver, and not blocking Aromatase
Once you get the surgery is it still possible for gyno to return?
@@repliesoffcuzimright1679 it depends on the surgery. Sometimes they go in and leave a little bit of tissue behind and that tissue can be triggered to grow easily later on if put in the wrong hormonal environment… if the dr does a good job and gets all of the tissue out it’s really rare for gyno to return.. in my case 9 years later it has not returned.
How do you get more estrogen naturally? Do you just eliminate things from your diet, incorporate thing in you diet or habits that promote estrogen?
@@dad691 usually eating enough will provide more than enough estrogen. It’s hard to impossible to get deficient in Estrogen without medication.
Supra-physiological amounts of videos again… and I’m here for it
Yo Derek I just wanted you to know I was the one that bought the last gorilla mode ar so for all the people that are wondering why it's sold out its because I bought the last bottle of it. It's my first time using this and man it had been amazing for the first 15 days then I injured myself trying to show a new basketball friend how far I can jump and it was rest day so I was definitely stupid to try. I did a 8 foot standing long jump normally I can do 12 foot and basically my left leg buckled on the landing and I tore 2 parts of my legs muscles on my left leg... the doctor said I tore half of the Muscle fibers on a part of my leg. I belive it's under my knee basically under my quad. The part above the knee but under the knee too. I think and the other part that got injured is unde the calf I think. I'm on day 15 of recovery I think. And I can only limp walk for about 3 fo 5 minutes then my legs give out. And I can only stand for 3 minutes outside then I need to hold onto the car. I stopped taking the supplement because obviously I can't since I have to lay in bed almost all day everyday until 3 to 4 weeks then I'll be able to walk the doctor said. Also for reference on that 8 foot long jump on concrete I'm 6 foot 4 and 320 pounds so you can imagine the amount of force I used when my left leg buckled on the landing
25:36 hi Derek I wish you would have commented on the huge ranges 470 + or - 201 that’s 270 to 670 for a man taking 5 mg gel or 805 -+ 355 that’s 450 to 1160
That’s a huge range
The amount of people that just think estrogen is evil for men is quite distressing. This will be a video I share constantly in replies. Thank you Mighty Delt Lord.
yea it some sort of trend going on "alpha male" thinking they have to have the highest amount of T while 0 estrogen since its feminizing. But ofc thouse tiktok infulencers dont know shit about basic chemisty and biology. Such a stupid world since everyone is falling for it
Thanks for uploading again, the hypothetical sciencey videos are great
Thank you for this video. This has been my thoughts for a while and this data proves my suspicions were correct.
brooo bring back the tank top, we need those death star delts
Crashing my e2 made me feel like I had dementia and my mobility became that of someone 30 years older than me.
what did you do to solve it?
Same
I'm running an experiment.
In order to join the US Navy, I need to drop my body fat to 25%. On 10/28/2022, I was 35%. As of today, 1/9/2023, I am 30%. I intend to use Arimidex to inhibit aromatization to have more free testosterone in my system to facilitate faster fat burning. I'm taking 1mg every 3 days, first dose today. My logic is that, due to high amounts of adipose tissue, I am a high aromatizer, increasing the estrogen feedback loop that promotes fat storage. I keep all my fat in my stomach, chest, and lower back.
I will be back to update.
In theory you're right, you have a greater chance of having higher endogenous levels of estrogen due high fat. However, you should take into account that after some time in caloric deficit the body tries to lower metabolism and give preference on glicogen as a source of energy during exercise as a way to diminish fat loss, so that's a good experiment. Hope you make into the Navy soon.
@Neomalthusiano down another 2% body fat after stopping adex.
I just jumped on a test cycle with some oxandrolone, got some clomid for a pct.
@@woottasticwhat was the final outcome?
@DeadEnduro got down to 221, 17% body fat. Didn't join the Navy because my ex wife decided that she needed to find a back up dude before I left for boot camp.
Loving this content this is the mpmd I subbed for.. also the tren horror stories
I can attest to this(no pun).
I crashed my e2 and laid off any AI for a month. After two weeks my fat loss was probably the best it’s ever been since I can remember. I’m 44 and to still see fat loss like that was incredible.
I’m a firm believer that most won’t need an AI on 200 mg week trt dose after the initial homeostasis occurs.
At first you might during the adjustment phase but log everything weekly based on what you’re taking.
Hair, mental, energy, sleep, skin, general attitude and recovery in the gym. Makes things way easier if you run into issues.
Great video. A lot of dumb guys think "estrogen = female hormone and that's bad, so I need to lower mine as much as possible."
How did androgen inhibitors become so vastly promoted if they cause so many different issues?
Cookie cutter outdated protocols.
You need them you are using supra physiological levels of testosterone. They work quite well for that. Without them you body would be aromatizing a considerable amount of that extra testosterone and you would get female's boobs in no time.
The problem is with doctors prescribing them for people that are not taking testosterone enanthate twice a week. Most men do not benefit from them.
2:22 seeing 2020 Derek was a lil trip⚡
BY FAR one of the worst mental health months of my life was while taking nolvadex. Mostly mentally and fatigue/depression. Not have estrogen kills your mood and general wellbeing
great video, missed this kind of content
I completely agree with this. I was on aromatase inhibitors for over 4 years. I lost a lot of water weight but didn't lose any body fat at all even though I was barely eating. When I wasn't on them I could easily cut even while eating junk food in moderation. Those who are trying to lose fat while on ai's, don't even try, it's impossible. Fat loss is impossible without normal levels of estrogen.
Haven't seen a post in awhile and I just got a bomb drop off all your recent post
Rip Harambe. Never forgotten
Missed this content lately brotha
great fucking video, thanks Derek
I am so happy to have my daily dose of Derek content again! 🙏
Derek you always have such good informative videos and you tend to cover topics that others don’t. This was highly informative.
Yes! This is the classic Derek. My favorite content!
I love videos like these thank you Derek!
Thank you again for all of your awesome content
Love these supraphysiologically I formative vids. Keep em coming, Derek!
Thankyou Derek!
Too much estrogen made me gain 20 pounds I started a low dose of arimidex and I lost 20 pounds over a couple months. So this information is quite confusing
How are you doing now. Still on AI?
Perfect timing for this video Derek. I've been on trt for a year now through a major clinic but I have yet to feel dialed in with a lot of low e side effects. My clinic has had me on both anastrozole and clomiphene the whole time. I've dropped both of those drugs in the past month and I'm hoping I'll see my T:E ratio to return to optimal and get better use of estrogen in my body. My test levels at my last blood work were 1235 ng/dl total and 35 ng/dl free. However, my e2 came back at only 35 pg/ml. For my level of testosterone, I would probably need closer to 60 pg/ml e2 to keep the ratio at the ideal "20:1". I split my weekly dose, but am considering going back to a single weekly dose to get more aromatization, that is if dropping the anastrozole and clomiphene doesn't raise my e2.
So being at 870 ng/dl and 30 e2 being on .5 anastrozole and clomid is where I should be?
Lol ratios are nonsense and have no clinical evidence
You need at least a bit of estrogen even for men because it has an important function for the human body including bone density and if you’re not abusing ped and eating a good diet and exercise you shouldn’t have to worry about it. If DIM or dindolymethane is the nutrient in kale,broccoli and other vegetables it prevents aromatization of testosterone 👍🏽
I'm natural and took low dose DIM and it crashed my libido. DIM is powerfull and not needed if you are healthy. Estrogen is very important even for males
@@bahionic I agree 100 percent this is why I don’t take it anymore
@@thebluecollarbadass9945 My guess is, the guys that think it's great are on a lot of shit and hormones must be all out of wack. I later found out it can block both test and estrogen to a point, and lower androgen and test receptors, no wonder it gave me limp D that i never had even on benders and on all kinds of bugger sugar
Oh yeah baby this reminds me of the good old days of MPMD
This could be wrong but, what about water weight, as we know, estrogen is one of the hormones that holds water into the body, so using an AI is going to make loss fat free mass weight, while having the same amount of weight, that could cause increase in body fat percentage.
Perfect timing
5:01 My new password
Not only do we need a therapeutic level of E2 which is also somewhat idiopathic in terms of one persons ideal level vs another, generally somewhere between 18-23 pg/ml., it’s also important to note that without a healthy level of E2 your androgen receptor sites will not be sensitized and you will not grow! Estrogen is necessary for androgen receptor site sensitivity. This is why when we put a female athlete on a super low dose of Anavar, say 5mg per day., they get shredded! Their androgen receptor sites are highly sensitive due to the wealth of estrogen present.
Okay my app glitched and the title of this video showed up as “should men wipe” and I was like WTF!? 😂😂😂
Just got my blood work. Doctor recommended DIM to lower my Estrogen. On 160mg T a week, HCG, 25mg anavar pre-workout. Estradiol 57.9, T at 618, SHBG at 17.2. Is that Estrogen really too high? Can i just live with it?
It really depends on your symptoms: ie a.) is your Estradiol(E2) causing Gynecomastia ? b.) do you have depressed mood lethargy, emotionally more labile ( this is hard to characterize) c.) high libido compromising your personal life ie inability to focus on work, issues with women ... generally people rely on Gynecomastia since you can actually palpate it. with a T of 618( you didn't list units but assume it to be ng/dL) then your E2 should be 5% of that which is 30.9 pg/mL. Yours is at 57.9 pg/mL this is too high your ratio of Test/Estradiol is off and you are higher risk for gynecomastia. Gynecomastia is determined by the balance between T to Estrogen rather than absolute Estrogen value. This is an important concept( many people just look at the total ie is my E2 at or above 100 pg/mL. This is wrong it is based on ratio of Testosterone to Estrogen). Have a conversation with your physician about symptoms, and go from there. Further more specific labs test can be done but my response is already too long.
The problem is, in the study they are taking 1mg arimidex every day. This shows the horrible effects of 0 estrogen but no one takes that much of AI anyways. I wish they did it 1mg/weekly to see if there was any change between groups
aah old school mpmd informative content
Finally a video where he doesn't try to shove a product down your throat every ten minutes!
All these studies that debunk AI crush estrogen to zero obviously that’s not a good idea
Just how much Anastrazole did they give, did they crash estradiol or just try to keep it in a “normal” band in this study?
Hey Derek can you dissect the bang preworkout? I’m trying to convince my friends to buy your products instead but I need a reliable source.
You get an efficacious dose of basically nothing with bang. Tell them if they want to use bang preworkout drink some fucking coffee instead. Go on google scholar and just start entering ingredients in and finding efficacious dosages used in the studies. Those are the dosages Derek uses.
@@schleybailey thanks bro I’ll do that haha. Only thing I don’t like about Derek’s pre is the créatine bc It messes up my habit of taking it every day externally
@@juliennewsome8573 Interesting, thats never been a problem for me personally. Creatine is something that I would take even if I didn't train though (took it even just starting with nootropic stacks).
You Need to do a video over army Ranger school. Talk about not getting enough sleep lol
The best general TRT protocol that I've personally used is 15 units (30mg) per day pinned with an insulin needle in the ventral glute for 6 days, whatever is left over in the vial on day 7 ( air bubbles in some of the draws seem to leave around 10mg for that day) So I get 200mg per week and I feel really good. My doc wants me at 100mg per week which was putting me in the 800's. Should I just get new panels and let the reference range determine my dose or should I go by how I feel and get my T elsewhere? I feel like they will cut me off my prescription if I'm not complying.
Thats more like a cruise than trt for most people. What blood serum level does that put you at?
@@schleybailey I was at 20 mg per day on 10 units, still measuring in the 800's, bumped it up to 30mg on 15 units, started seeing symptoms resolved, but don't have new panels for that dose. I just titrated up until I started feeling good.
@@DARTH-KTULU When you start feeling good is time to get a test. I'd guess you around the 1000 ng per dl range.
I am a 27 german male on testogel, 2,5 grams a day for a month now and i cant feel any difference. My doctor wanted to try the gel before injections, my natural test is always sub 2.7 ng/ml. I am curios now if 5 gramm of the gel would yield a better effect for me.
Like always, great video derek!
Du brauchst injektionen aber wie bekommt man sowas in Deutschland.
Bei mir haben die nur die normalen großen Blutbilder bezahlt aber nichts mit Marken für Hormone
Gel ist Mist, ich hatte nur Nebenwirkungen. Am besten Testo Enanthat 125 mg/Woche, also halbe Ampulle. Ich hatte Nebido probiert alle 3 Monate, mir ging es damit nur schlecht wegen hohem Prolaktin und der Wert war auch unter 3.
@@ManOfAttitudeLP1998 nur mit zu niedrigen Wert vom Arzt, oder von dem Dealer deines Vertrauens und dann vermutlich minderwertiger ULab Kram...
I don't like gel or nebido but that's me. However, I would try clomiphene citrate before either.
It’s hard because for me I get paranoia and anxiety with high estrogen. I just got down running 350 test for 12 weeks. Very little AI because I was worried about crashing my E2. I dropped my test to 200 and I’m gonna monitor my estrogen and throw in .25 of arimidex a little more
Back to the basics
My latest labs two weeks ago: 878 total testosterone, 26.5 estradiol, SHBG 87.7, Free T calculated at 9.96. 100mg/1x week test-cyp. No AI, but recommended to take zinc a few times a week. 57 years old. SHBG is high, so working to lower that and raise Free T. Taking P5P and making nutrition changes, and adding some/more cardio.
It's really cool how it's possible to actually understand our body. I really appreciate Derrick as well as people like you stating data so we can all better our lives. Its incredible how much information is available now, such a increase in quality of life through understanding.
Have you tried spreading your dose out over 2-3 days a week? I was on the same regimen as you (and am almost the same age), and learned SHBG can spike when we get into the "hill and valley" effect of hormones once a week. I moved to 3 times, but eventually settled on two because it seemed as good as three. With no other changes, it had an effect, for sure. I'd suggest talking to your doc, going to twice weekly, then waiting 4-6 weeks to check your blood. It can't hurt.
Well, expect for the extra needle. But I also moved to tiny 30ga insulin needles and they make injections much smoother.
Definitely a ratio of test:e2.
On paper my e2 is high BUT so is my test (total and free) so no worries. Prescription Trt without ai. Feel better the higher the e2(as long as test is also higher…again ratio)
I take 2,5 mg of letrozol as a treatment to my natural (puberty) gyno. I don't take any ped or hormones and I'm training 4-5 times a week.
My libido is definitely lower than before and I'm also a bit unhappier overall.Now, after 4 month taking it, my gyno is going away and I think I'm building muscles faster than before (bodyfat might also be a bit lower than before). My age is 20 btw. If ur interested in more details and also my blood results dm me.
I bet you felt shit !
I think you should look into SERMs instead if your testosterone is in normal ranges? There are several SERMs that have selective effects on the breast tissue receptors! It will still block other estrogen functions so still keep it low but letrozole is not good long term?
Isn’t the key quite simple and that to have hormonal balance , whacking oestrogen is going to cause serious problems as we need it for so many functions
Crashed my estrogen once unintentionally…. Felt like a zombie for a couple days. … (edit) Letrozole is no joke !
I’ve actually noticed that my e2 comes back higher on a sensitive test compared to a regular e2 assay
For the algorithm, of course. But very interesting as usual 👍👍👍
You should do a podcast with Alex Hormozi
Aloha
Was considering 12.5mg of enclomaphine 2x/wk. as ive heard great results with little to no side effects. Sounds like many of you have over dosed the e inhibitors.
Low Estrogen is the MGTOW way no sex drive but still high t levels
I took some over the counter stuff 20 years ago called 1-AD. Known to jack you up, but what we all didn’t know, is that it crashed your estrogen. My sex drive was never the same after this. Is this something I could consult with Derricks company to get a consultation?
I deal with very high levels of estrogen all the time so on cycle I have to take aromasin eod and at minimum once a week while I’m off cycle and only trt doses if not I gain weight and don’t get the “gains” from gear like I should .
I was in the bus thinking about how I could make a good use of time during this ride, and boom!
Don’t crush and wipe out estrogen, but I am tired of playing this anti AI E2 loving game when it comes to TRT. I seem to be very sensitive to it and no way in hell can I walk around with an E2 over 35. So many people fix their TRT problems once they try AI, but get lied into having to love E2.
Can we please get a link to that study.
And going by what you said about serum E2 levels vs tissue E2 levels than we can confirm that some guys are struggling with E2 even if their serum levels are nothing crazy, and taking an AI does in fact help them for that reason.
This study crushes e2 what if we just lowered it a little bit with AI would outcomes be similar
I believe the outcomes are based on e2 level, and you’re right, we don’t have any studies on low-dose AI use that keeps e2 within a healthy range. I think we’ll start seeing those tho as TRT becomes more main stream
Kevin Dixon I believe AI can be helpful but proper dosing is the key .25mg is too much Arimidex is a super strong medication .03125mg (1/32) of a pill as an effect the guys who are using absolutes saying no AI ever have damaged a lot of guys who believe their nonsense.
i like derek’s new cleaned up beard
Howdy Sir one question does methyl estradiol have the same health benefits: heart, brain, joints, libido (kidneys?) as estradiol?
Dereks skin looking clear af
Please do a video on clomid!
I take it for like 8 years. It's no miracle, but still have nothing to regret.