Paradox Interactive: How (Not) To Sell DLC
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- Опубліковано 18 лип 2019
- I did briefly mention somethin about this in me Valve video, and a few of you guys asked for it so why the heckity hell not. alternate video title: "WHY PARADOX SUCKS"
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#Paradox #DLC #davo_ - Ігри
like this comment if you would drink Johan Andersson's bath water 😳😳💦💦 or if you are from BOSNIA 💪😎
Im from serbia ;(
haha serb tupac is alive in bosnia not serbija 💪😎👏😤
haha yes very true david come to brazil
The balkans are like bowling pins,once you get then together they all come crashing down
Saddly
Still though one feature that's amazing, if you play multiplayer, only the host needs the DLC. Can't say that for many other games :)
Fuck you and your imaginary nationality. (Though.. yes i agree, although i'm pretty sure they only did it bcs if EVERYONE needed ALL the dlcs their multiplayer population would be pratically zero).
Look at this Danish beta male
Bo if we get into Area 51 is that were we will find you nation???
*After making that "original" joke i committed the JFK experience with myself*
Yeah that's a really good part of it
One of those other games is Forts.
That's why none of my friends want to get into EU4 with me
idk how many times an interested friend has asked "oh yeah i wanna get CK2/EU4 how much is it?"
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh *only a couple hundred*
@@davo_" look it's on sale right now! I's only 200€ instead of 350+ "
But if you're playing multiplayer with them they don't need all the dlc, that's one of the good parts about their policy.
@@ifidio2 that's also what I'm trying to tell them...
Techscrolls buy me a computer and I got you fam
*can’t use automatic transportation and have to search each colonial tile with ships in eu4 without dlc* Well, Britannia may rule the waves but the waves become more tedious day by day.
This is in two DLC's hidden...Automatic transport is Art of War DLC, Colonial exploration is bound to El dorado DLC... Guess you are screwed by Paradox.
I can did with out automatic transportation but see colonial is needed when your at war.
IMO the QoL-diplo screen behind the Mandate of Heaven-paywall is much worse. "Oh, you don't enjoy manually clicking every single country to perform diplomatic actions? We figured! 20 bucks please."
I feel your pain...
While I get the complaint but that was how the base game was. These are features that were added years later.
0:39 when the ck2 map appeard for a brief second my brain was like: "hey dude pause the game you are watching a video"
then i pressed space and the video stopped. I brainfreeze for about 4 seconds really thinking i was the one playing it
😂 it happens to me too
I shall not like because 69
You ever do the one, where your watching a let's play or review like this, and you go to take in game actions, forgetting your not playing , like you want to check out the diplomacy screen, but.... oh yeah, not my game smh
PTSD Flashbacks...
In the video I was watching before this one, I was banging my mouse cursor into the edges of the screen and wondering why the camera wasn't moving.
Making a paradox video questioning dlc without mentioning Victoria 2
Yellow Prusia flash blacks.
The good thing though is that there was only 2 Vicky 2 DLCs. And they were both major changes. Unlike EU4 where it's impossible to get into it now. Also hopefully one millennia we get Vicky 3
This, HOI3 also had just 2 DLC's that made the game pretty flipping awesome, even better then HOI IV is now
we meet again
@@tuxedo_cat_gaming 20$ on sale which i personally got it for, id spend 60$ for all their other games as well. compared to their other games victoria 2 is amazingly fucking priced.
Nobody:
Paradox:
19.99$ for the ability to move ships
Deadass bruh you can't even do automatic exploration in EU4 without the DLC :(
beepbeeptaco cough cough Mtg
@@donquesewilliamswilliams3497 I liked more old way of exploration, remember my first feels about exploration.. So Greenland could be nearest land, somewhere in this way.. Jesus how fucking far it is ? Fucking attrition ! Fuck, i forgot send fleet back home ! :'(
First exploration with this attrition was lovely :)
@@Janecek185 same. It felt way more exciting and hands-on. Can I explore one more tile and make it back or will that cost me ships? The new way just feel like you're working to a checklist.
@@Janecek185 the problem (only one i think) is that pdx dont put Message Settings in their tutorial and so a vast majority of players didn't know how to toggle it. Leading to tons of failed expeditions that will never happen to AI since they never forget to do things.
And past the first time you won't get as excited without RNW, unless some rare random stuff happens in the far east.
HOI4 players don't need dlc. They got Kaiserreich.
nEW Paradox DLC: Kaiserreich ported from Steam Workshop to DLC
Also Road to 56 which brings the DLC focus trees to the base game and extra trees too
I have all hoi4 dlcs and i find it worth its not as expensive as the eu4 dlcs and i find them Kinda worth tbh
@@testbravoyt3058 only for multiplayer. Playing minor nations isn't fun even with a focus tree
Still need MtG and probably la resistance when It comes out
No lootboxes in grandstrategy
Stellaris Megacorp: That's where you're wrong kiddo
I'm a Schleswig-Holstein boy :)
But the lootboxes were a joke.
Edit: like literally joke.
@WaluigiShrek I think he is talking about the caravans and getting The Galatron
At least it's a joke in that game.
@@kanoslayer2735 Yeah that. It's actually kind of fun because it only uses in-game resources, not real money.
*Cries In Swedish*
Gråter på svenska
vi sitter här I venten och spelar lite DotA
@@davo_ Vattnet* = The water /or grammatically water-the.
@@davo_ Or did you mean ventilationen? The ventilation system.
davo_ are you swedish? Om du är fan va nice
I miss the way they did things during the Victoria 2 era: a good base game and two major DLC that vastly improved the game, each costing $20.
Really I would be fine with what paradox is doing if they made 1 major change. That was after a couple years a DLC gets integrated into the base game. That way you can either buy the DLC either full price or on sale to be able to play it but after 2-3 years the DLC is integrated into the base game so any new comers can buy the game and not be so far behind in terms of content to play as people who own all the DLC. This way there is more prevelance for new comers to well buy the game without fearing of lacking these older DLCs. It also would still sell the DLC's to its current fanbase because Paradox has already stolen my wallet they might as-well have my soul.
@@a-drewg1716 Isnt this kinda how civ V was done? In the beginning a lot of the DLC's were seperate (I would know, I bought a lot of them) but later on it was mainly sold as a bundle for a reasonable price. I never got some of the newer civilisations that were sold seperately which is a bit of a shame (I found them rather expensive to just buy them on their own) but I did get to play it a lot with my friends (basically anyone I know that games on pc has civ V) so it seems that it worked really well.
@@a-drewg1716 Or do what others developers do and launch a GOTY version or a season pass that give a collection of the most important DLC at a fair price.
@@zzxp1 That would be a smart idea, but if they ever do a DLC or season pass they put the worst or low quality DLC's on it.
Have you been smoking? Vic 2 base game is shit.
Let's not forget that the base game also gets new features over time...
Features that are literally handicaps which need the next dlc in line to deal with
This gets me the most. It riles me sometimes, when some paradox fanboy apologist type, says, you can play without that dlc...
Sure, you can if you want a game that has implemented game altering features with a patch, but disable them if you dont buy the dlc.
It doesnt outright break the game, but it does make it feel like your playing, either with one hand tied behind your back or with an incomplete game, due to the... incomplete game mechanics... sigh
@@toffeecrisp2146 do you also work for free?
@@David-ys4ud no, I dont work free, but also dont start my job as a decorator, contracted to paint a living room, then decide that the living room would look much nicer if it was open plan with the kitchen, so knock a wall down, then tell the people who hired me, that they dont have to pay for the now open plan kitchen, I'll just disconnect all the appliances in the kitchen, but I'll switch them back on, as soon as they choose to pay for their unasked for open plan living room....
@@toffeecrisp2146 that by far has to be the worse explanation for DLC of paradox..... all to your point if you dont like an expansion you can roll back the verson to your preferred verson...
@@David-ys4ud unasked for additions, locked behind a paywall, that fundamentally alter gameplay, that cant be avoided if you want bugfixes...
You are precisely the sycophantic fanboi I was referring to, do you get paid by paradox for fighting their corporate corner?
I mean... You do have to buy a DLC to develop a province in EU4
So yeah, about that EA part...
its in the base game now.
@@MrMillefail cool, only 400$ worth of ''DLCs'' left, and i'll have the full game.
Paradox is like:
"Please spend 40€ on a game that was released in 2013! And don't forget our dlc's!"
Yeah! Buy all of our dlc's... they're only 422,66 euros.
(EU4) fdr.
Watching this after they released leviathan and nothing much has changed...
sus
@@randommoroccan1262 usu
So when are we getting a Kosovo unit pack DLC for $40.99?
You will not get it that cheap ! :)
Bruh, I think the next one will be Siberian Unit pack for $59.99
@@VoidRDM Oh shit, I guess no food for the family this week :(
You still think that Kosovo was 'albanian' then?
@@krolestwopolskie9862 Oh for the love of god, this was a joke. I don't want this comment chain to turn into nationalist circlejerking.
I do agree, Imperator: Rome is the consequence of "Neo-DLC" Tactics (By Neo-DLC I do refer to the tactics used now-days, back when my grandfather bought games, DLC's were called expansions and they were full game content instead of add ons that should have been part of the base game)
There were also DLCs in the past, like literally add-ons, but not part of the base game and not needed in any ways to enjoy it fully, which are good (it's P2W but for SP game probably doesn't matter as much).
I:R is pretty good now, even with no DLC
Ealdy 1 week ago
"None of their games needs dlc to be payable or fun. Many features are free with the updates."
Me:
Art of War: Mothball Fleets, Use Subject CBs, Set Objectives for your Allies, Upgrade Ships instead having to build new Ships every time they are available (Since you still have sailors without this a small nation will never have a navy.), Pay War Reparations and Revoke Cores as Peace option.
Common Sense: Changing goverment rank, allowing you to become an Empire without having to form a historical Empire, for the Cultural Union. Subject Interactions, like lowering their Liberty desire or forcing religion. Being able to remove advisors. Setting a National Focus
Rights of Man: Consort Regencies, Military instructions for Subjects.
Cradle of Civilization: Convert Subject Provinces
These are the Features that are really important locked behind the DLC wall, there is a ton more of features that you'd want also behind paywalls but not that important.
If I had to tell someone about EU4 I would tell them to atleast have all these as without them the Base game can seem very lackluster these 4 DLC with Basegame are 105€
most of those DLCs being 4-5 Years old by now if you could pick the old ones up up for like 5€ a piece then I wouldn't even be that against it.
Imperator Rome was 0 fun to play and is lacking so much things that all the other games already had, you bet your ass there will be DLC to "expand" upon features EU4 and CK2 already had in their game.
HoI4 on rlease was a setback to HoI3. HoI4 was missing crucial things that HoI3 had for years.
The game features are littered all over the DLC's right. They introduced Institutions but no way to spawn them early in Asia (Art of war) Game is unplayable without Art of war and common sense. That's why i bought it, but i did not bought it from Paradox...Way to disgruntled to do that.
@@hansjorgkunde3772 There was a vidoe about a year ago on how to fix the issue, one way would be to slowly integrate these dlcs into the base game, so buy the dlc on day one or wait for a sale or wait like 3-4 years and those dlc is added to the base game, that way you could lower the entrance barrier while fans can buy the new dlcs to play them right away and newcomers would start off basically with the first few dlcs for free. another way is what they did with increasing development, slowly after a few years adding the important parts of these dlc to the basegame so that only acual optional things are in the dlc while all essentials are free.
@@harz632 I know but that vid changed nothing. Its Paradox isn't it ?
Oooh so that's why I couldn't convert subject provinces.
But let's not forget you're screwed as Sweden without the DLC that lets you ask for independence support :p (might be El Doraldo)
@@blazikem Not just as Sweden, you are screwed as any Subject Nation, and playing near ming is also cancer
I think there's a good solution, actually. Implement a steady decay of price for DLC over time. Eventually make it straight up free.
Simple as.
Literally just half the price for every 6 months a DLC is out and make it free once under a buck. That gives an ROI of 2.5 years for a $20 dlc and makes a bad but necessary one affordable in a year. You'd sure as shit get a lot more people regularly buying them too, Id be more than happy to wait six months to buy a DLC for 10 bucks but I usually dont buy $20 DLCs.
@@TheRedKing247
Game developers need to eat and keep the lights on.. Game development isn't a fucking charity....
This is honestly the dumbest shit ever...
The devs spent 10 years releasing updates and dlcs for their game.. They deserve to get paid for it... 70% of all the dlcs are given for free.. so if somebody went out and bought Ck2 now as opposed to 10 years ago, they're actually get 10 years worth of updates, and upgrades for FREE... That's before they even buy any of the expansion packs..
There are plenty of sales, and bundles to get other expansions for dirt cheap if you're really poor or something, and honestly all the prices are well worth it..
I mean.. what is there literally to complain about? You have a developer who spends a decade on all their in-house games and pumps tons of love and care into it, and they get hated on...
Meanwhile oh look another COD... copy pasted 90% of it with a new wrapper and cosmetics.. for full price..... Or Warhammer II.. literally full priced 40$ fucking DLCs that just switch a few words and buffs around and a new hero... Are you fucking me? Those DLCs are apparently perfectly fine, but shame on paradox who pumps tons of actual content, love, and care into their expansions and dares to sell them CHEAPER than COD or Warhammer II DLCs that offer 95% less content...
Anyone who hates on Paradox is quite frankly either retarded, or thinks they should get everything free...
@@Cramblit 1000$ to unlock the full game ? And people wonder why pirates exist lmfao
@@AlexanderTheFarmer
No, it was like 15$ to unlock the full game. DLC's aren't the "full game". Seeing as 70% of all of those DLCs and patches for the 10 years were given for free.
Buy the DLCs you like after that. 60% of them were just cosmetic shit you could skip. There were only like 4-5 "esssential" dlcs which was anothher 45$ all together, which unlocked new government types, and mechanics that you might want, but even those were nicely split up into stuff so you could choose. NEver want to play as the Muslims, or merchant republic? Don't buy those DLCs.
It really isn't hard to use your fucking brain once in a while.
@OHGAS
Wow the level of stupid bullshit you just spewed is extraordinary...
Basicall your entire baby rage post can be summed up simply with. "They added more stuff, so I'm going to move the goal post of what the "finished game" means, so I can claim I have to buy it to get the "complete game""
The level of stupid in your paragraphs is so amazing I refuse to answer past this.
6:09 well... that being said, paradox is expecially bad.
Also really relate to the "not hating" paradox, but still giving them a dissapointed half-angry look
Paradox is like a family member who made some wrong decisions. Like we love you to death, but your actions make us disappointed
I'm still annoyed about the whole Paradox as a publisher debacle (I assume some of the same people were involved?) with Sword of the Stars 2... (I guess that I wouldn't be annoyed as much if they hadn't taken several very SotS2-features into Stellaris, or even just if Stellaris was better as a tactical/strategy game...)
The thing is, paradox is special. Their company structure makes sure they are always 1 step away from bankruptcy. Also, the money doesnt go to 1 or 2 CEO's. Look it up, i think they are justified
Hey Davo you should check out the Sims 4 dlc lol. Most of that cost as much as the base game.
yeah and they have dlc for other dlc.
$60 dollars for slightly more sims furniture
laughs in pirate
Long live piracy
Except the base game is not boring (if the Sims 4 is like the Sims 3 which I played)
Don't get us started with Payday 2 back in the day...
I remember... I mean the DLCs, where you can buy new weapons were pretty alright and tbh 2,00€ for one DLC is a good price. (Or 0,99€ if you're smart and buy them in the summersale) But when they started to sell missions in DLCs I was kinda disappointed.
AAAAGH, I NEEEED A DLC
@@Ralle-kv8rm there's also the point to be made about Overkill making DLC weapons objectively better in every way to non-DLC weapons.
@Grym Yeah, but it's really just a drop in the ocean, since this DLC policy stood for quite a long time. And it just seems to me, like, they said one day "Okay, we did more then enough money with it. We can slow down" and that's just... idk man
There’s a reason they’re called overkill
Alright,who's ready to overthrow Sweden?
It'll cost less than buying all the DLC paradox offers.
Expensive, but maybe satisfying in a certain point of view
In my eyes a DLC should always be extra content that has been fully developed after the full game's release. Quite basic updates really shouldn't have a price tag if it's not on a bigger scale.
Their only games that to me have good dlc policies are Stellaris and the last few dlc of CK2. Those are genuinely good and if they repackage all of ck2's previous dlc (like making all portraits and unit packages into one 7-8 bucks bundle for each, put a few of the older dlc content in the Base game like Stellaris did) then I'd consider it to be absolutely worthwhile.
EU4 is still the worst offender in all of that. You have maybe a fifth of the game mechanics when you buy the game, and most of those put behind a paywall are essential to not lose your sanity.
@@sephikong8323 Battletech isn't plagued by DLC too (two so far)
@@sephikong8323 Same with Victoria 2
@@donquesewilliamswilliams3497 Well, Victoria 2 is from their previous generation of game, the one before their current policy which was pioneered in CK2, so I don't really count it, I was referring about their main games of this generation
@@sephikong8323 I really can't say that Stellaris is a good example. While some of the new DLC are either cosmetic or a pure addition without breaking the balance (like corporations), storypacks and traditions are not at all. You can't say that it's ok to pack a multitude of anomalies and midgame events into a DLC is ok when midgame is as stale and dead as it is in the base geame.
I wish they would put their mechanics dlcs into a 1 big pack after a year or so and kept it at fixed price (or not, just have 1 pack of the older ones for the sake of clarity, cos when I was buying the game it was a fucking nightmare to navigate through all the different dlcs and content packs)
seriously though why don't they just include the unit packs and music packs INTO the DLC's. Not only does this bulster the DLC's so that they are worth a little more, but it isn't like its costing them anything.
What ticks me off is that Paradox released a HOI4 DLC (Together to Victory) the same year as the game. It's obvious that they had developed that stuff during production, and just held it back.
I just hate their DLC policy.
Some DLCS feel like they need to be on base game and not a DLC
@@KongoMuller69 Yeah. Like the ability to release a nation as a puppet (Together to Victory) or just basic trees for nations (Any).
Microtransactions are way worse than overpriced DLCs in general.
I dont agree. Its actually kind of a challenge to just grind rather than pay to win.
True, grinding is horrible.
In most non EA games microtransactions are just there for the whales and the base game is actually fucking playable without have to spend extra money
It's like comparing syphillis and polio, both sucks and are different
@@endo4137 pay to win *against bots*
My philosophy is like "How much does this DLC add compared to the base game?"
basically take that value, add 5 bucks, there.
If its 1/5th of the features of the game? 1/5th the price and then add 5 or something.
Like the plantoid pack in stellaris adds so damn little but its 10 bucks cause...???
Utopia adds a new system with super strong buildings and awesome bonuses and while I think its pretty expensive I can pretty much say "nah thats fine"
In ck2 you have a dlc way of life its 10 bucks but it ads only one good feature that should have been in the base game. And a couple events to hide that they only added one feature it is realy stupid
DLC: the greatest evil ever brought into game industry
Microtransaction: hold my...
Gatcha ptw mobile games: what?
Preorders and preorder bonuses, Season Passes and Special Editions: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"
Paradox In HOI4: Yes we will update occupied territories but we will not let you use spies which were important people in WW2. And we will make La Resistance a DLC and not an update to make spanish civil war and aftermath better for people with money.
You aren’t missing much with the spies since they are miserable to use and most of what they can do is extremely weak except for the OP collaboration government operation which confusingly has nothing to do with collab governments made with high compliance.
Paradox, known for four things
1. Monopoly on strategy games
2. Expensive DLCs with a shitty base game
3. Terrible AI
4. Desyncs
I wouldnt say AI is that bad, it works good enough for a game genre that is this overwhelmingly complicated.
And that's why Victoria 2 the best paradox game. 2 DLC's means it's cheap and you're still getting a shit ton of content even if it is the shortest game (good game I mean not March of the eagles) they have to offer
Victoria 3 confirmed
@@amfm4087 Oh god please no
@@TheOfficialJeff1 any anime mods? Im still saying HoI4 is the best is because of Toastland... Ik dont ask pls
Well I donno about any anime mods since all I play is base game.
@@Violetenist The game is a bit unstable to begin with, and the process of installing mods is a pain (no Steam workshop).
Me, a Pirate: Rar couldn't relate!
I don't usually pirate games, I live in a developing country, so games tend to be expensive, but nonetheless steam offers a lot of sales and easy servers, so I always buy games from Steam. But Paradox is where I drew the line, I bought the base game and pirated the DLC with absolutely no regrets
@@irgendwer3610 you're not alone
@@irgendwer3610 Pirating the DLCs on top of the paid, legal game? Doesn't that ban you from Steam?
@@PedroGomes-cx7ku as far as I know the only ban Valve will do is VAC ban, which only applies to cheating on servers
@@PedroGomes-cx7ku You can't pirate DLC.
You buy the base Game on Steam.
And then you pirate the full Game including all the DLC seperately. You won't be playing it through Steam, so no Achievements or Multiplayer.
I deinstalled my EU4 Steam Game because I only play the pirated one.
I'm glad CreamAPI exists :)
Voulty shhhhhhhh
thats how i play hoi4 lol
What's the difference between steamfix and creamAPI
CreamAPI is the only reason I even play Paradox games in the first place.
I already bought like for 100 dollar's of paradox dlc on g2a. My account has like 400 dollar's into it. So if i now pirate i am afraid that my account gets banned.
5:14 I want to note that in HOI4 the dlc that unlocks different national focuses (i.e every dlc) means that those countries in the base game are incredibly undeveloped and there is no reason to play them.
An now one year after the last DLC for CK2 is released their going to release CK3, which means they were working on both at the same time.
The public response for Imperator was abysmal and Paradox has been desperately trying to improve it with the Cicero beta being very impressive.
This is more of a problem with excessive mana use and boring systems than lack of content but it's a start and hopefully this serves as a deterrent for shitty DLC in the future.
I think Imperator did act as a wake up call for Paradox so that while they will always be the DLC spamming company we all hate to love, but it would be better than Imperator. I mean their DLC policy with EUIV and CK2 looks like it has cleaned up its act with the most recent releases.
It’s good now finally
At least for Stellaris:
Stellaris is always great how It's currently is (some Bug exceptions) without any next DLC, where you never have thought it will came out some day, until It comes. And when the next DLC came out, it will not make your existing Game worse - it's still your same Game, even with free updates. You have just the possibility to buy the next DLC and your Game will even become better.
And so on... and so on... .
And for all the people Like me, who came very Late to the Game, you can easily buy the whole existing content for about 50% Discount.
(Pure from the Finance Point of View, this case is even better.)
But the Most Important thing is: they are honest. The don't lie to you in Order to manipulate you to buy the Game AND there are no hidden costs like hidden microTrashActions against false promises. Therefore: you have the full control to decide what you want or what not.
At least for all the things which going on within the game.
For instance I have omitted the Leviathan DLC. It's absolutely stupid in my opinion.
BUT:
There is one real, but very havy, criticism:
The recomendet "system requirememts" are a Joke.
Stellaris uses actually Just one CPU core fully... .
That means even with a Ryzen 2600X CPU (2018) you cannot Play the game (original Release 2016) on a big 1.000 stars map... . At least it makes no fun that way.
That's really an absolutely bad Joke... .
"but can it run stellaris?" (^.^)
Playing Stellaris Vanilla rn since no money, seeing people talks about Syntethic and cool Megastructire feels me with jealousy
I regret spending 50 Euros for Stellaris DLC.
Lol i downloaded it from torrent
haha dumbface i just reported you to bosnian police !!!!!!! 💪😎 ur crime spree is over now
SAME
Wait, which DLC cost 50?! I never paid such price :o
@@thedragoncraft3490 i think he bought all the dlc... sounds about right price wise
all of this critiques hold true for CK3
I played 285 hours of EU4 base game and just this summer sale shelled out the $100+ for all the dlc and by god, I feel *powerful*
Did the same thing. And man the fucking P O W E R
I remember BF4 having a pretty good DLC policy.
Base game: $60. 10 maps and 8 weapons categories with 8-11 each. Each weapon is pretty well balanced with expected deviation. Even a few assignments to get a few extras. Came with 6 or 7 game modes.
DLC: $15. Maybe a little much being a quarter of the cost, but arguably worth it. 4 maps and one new weapon added to the main categories, with the occasional shotgun or carbine. At least one class will get a new gadget to play with. A new game mode is added. The added weapons were never outright better than anything available base game, but still felt mostly unique. The maps are well crafted; look great and each have their own special quirk.
Season Pass: $50 and gives you all 5 DLCs, with extras on the side. No Premium exclusive weapons aside from reskins for the knife. Adds some assignments to give you something to do.
Thank you for talking about this. Hopefully, if more people start following your example, we can get Paradox to chill out with the dlc.
Buy the base game for multiplayer
play Torrent version for Singleplayer
:p
You can torrent the game and still play multiplayer if you know which cracks to use. Cough*steamfix*cough
Have u ever heard about the game Spacewar? ;)
name Teach me this power!!!
@@totalwar1793 cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=63384 you might need to check the comments for a steamfix crack
is it sad that i have all the DLC's for there games?
heck i even have all the DLC's on hoi3.
I only have Common Sense for EUIV, a DLC that was only important because development was locked behind it but now that's not the case anymore, and... While I do think there need to be some changes to the DLC policy (there's no reason why, say, the ability to cancel idea groups or being able to upgrade your ships should be locked behind DLC. That's stupid.) base EUIV really is a good game that shouldn't be dismissed. Even base CK2 is a good game.
As a side note, strategy games are always a bit *off* when they first release. It takes community feedback, a hundred times the amount of Q&A they could have paid for, and a fresh look at what they've made to improve things. Civ V was alright at release but it wasn't a great game until the second expansion. I haven't played Imperator but I feel like people are assuming the worst - I tend to practice Hanlon's Razor, instead.
They are good IF you never experienced the games that they are today.
@@Arcaryon Wow, it's almost like Paradox and Fireaxis made them better. Therefore the logical conclusion is that they should've been as good when released for the same price and wait time! After all devs can't think up new better systems to add after a game comes out! How dare they be so greedy!
I Want Da Gaem for Free! But I'm totally different than tose evil devs... cause.../s
First thing that was shown was Oblivion horse armor DLC. Thank you dude
That's why when my friend was thinking of getting into EU4. I told him just to get EU3 with it's 3 or whatever DLCs for 10 bucks on sale, and we would start with that.
Better than EA, they sell them for like 40 bucks a pop and I've never seen them go on sale, but I do agree it needs to be toned down a notch, (mainly with CK2.)
Stellaris was on sale yesterday. EU4, HOI4 and CKII were on sale last week or so.
CK2 is better now.
I'd say that their dlc policy now is better since they release less of them and focus on quality. It looks like we are overall at around 1 a year (except for Stellaris which has a major and a minor one per year but that's absolutely fine, in fact this game is actually the best in its policy).
EU4's dlcs are still shit though
Good thing though: EA makes shit games
@@danlorett2184 the existence of spore is evidence that your statement is wrong
@@Hunterrion hahahahahaha
oh wait, you're serious, let me laugh even harder
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Well, in the deffence of HOI4 you. Can easily get hundreds of hours with mods but witth something like stellaris you basically need dlc to use many of the mods properly
So yes, i dislike there dlc BUT they got lots of focus on moddabillity wich is atleast good and if they fixed the AI of soe of the games it would be fine by me
Iskaka for hoi4 you basicly only need man the guns (maybe waking the tiger) and Road to 56 mod then you can get 100+ of hours of enjoyment
Alfred Sjåstad no, you can get 200+ by mods alone without dlc, dlc are basically good mods that arent free. Like rt56 is good and provides dozens of focuses when a dlc provides like 5
@@iskaka5031 but the naval rework is must have in my opinion
Alfred Sjåstad the vanilla game also recieved many of the new systems tough, if not they would be making too much a gap from singleplayer and multiplayer
Motherfuckin' Dankass Crow yes vanilla but with mods vanilla is awsome without dlc, it is better with dlc tho. Can agree there
In hoi4 when you joined a muliplayer lobby with all the DLCs then left and started a singleplayer game you got all the DLCs untill you quit
Would still releasing dlcs but lowering the price as time passes be a good way to do this? ie dlc releases at 10$ then in a year or two goes down to 7 or even 5$?
Genuinely curious
Stellaris Gang rise up. Base game was decent. The free features are pretty nuts. And the DLC isnt too bad.
*Victoria 2
I'll let it slide for now
Evermore Shores they better not rob Victoria 3 from us
@@donquesewilliamswilliams3497 Vicky was still pretty basic in many regards when it came out tho.
The unit variety and new colonizing features really added a lot to the game.
And arguably Vicky was kinda sorta thrown by the wayside a bit too soon. With how many nations are playable and the amount of relevant historical events, they could have easily come up with, at the very least, "events and trivia" DLC plus a couple of skin packs.
Vicky's still bae tho
@@MadManchou Compared to the EU4, HOI4, and especially IR, it's not as basic.
Years later and Hive Minds still follow the same rules as normal empires.
Imagine if minecraft was owned by paradox 💀
It's really good that ck3 got the good treatment it deserved. Base ck3 with no mods is a really fun experience you can put dozens of hours into, and it's only had 1 major update.
Got an ad for a HOI4 dlc on this vid, thanks UA-cam!
Lord Johan wants to take our money? we will take his office!
And if we overthrow the swedish government we double by having dices headquarters comunised too
have you ever heard of gary grigsby's war in the pacific admiral edition?
You can't annex your puppets if you don't buy dlc in hoi4
Just recently got into HOI4 and bought the base game.
And I gotta say, I'm severely lacking in a lot of the stuff I saw advertised in other people's playthroughs, there's only 6 nations with a unique national focus tree, and I'm pretty sure even those are incomplete. Not to mention the lack of a proper subject feature, I mean, there's a button that literally says "Manage Subjects" but clicking on it does nothing, not to mention you can't even release a nation as a puppet, or even play as said nation.
My point being that a lot of seemingly important features for the base game are missing behind these dlc pay walls, and I don't mean like additional content, but important gameplay features. Base HOI4 is boring as it is without me having to install a somewhat buggy mod to make Italy the least bit interesting. And that's only a week after installing the game, usually I don't start modding until around a month or so.
Yea i have 1100 hours on hoi4 and couldn't imagine playing without the DLC I mean you cant even manage your puppets and the game has to played completely different thats how you know they are greedy bastards
Some mods you should get:
•Black Ice
•Kaiserreich
•Old World Blues
•The New Order
•Red World
•Equestria at War
@@ironicdivinemandatestan4262 way ahead of you
@@ironicdivinemandatestan4262 bruh, we need an equstria at war addon where there's a human faction so you can go around killing bronies
well i was like you but i bought two DLC and with only those two, the game is enjoyable, i have death or dishonor and together for victory, this add some cool focus tree and puppet management which is really cool, i don't think that the new DLC are really needed to play the game in his final form (like man the guns, i don't have it and don't want it, the naval gameplay is "good enough" without this DLC and it can add too much mechanism to recent player -which i'm not- )
7:05 Total War by CA any one
I know it’s not to the same scale but hay it’s there
Preach. Also is that ReviewTechUSA "Oh Yes!" at the end of the video?
A very true and straight forward review of the dlc policy
There is a positive to the paradox dlc policy specifically that is not listed. In multiplayer, as long as the host has the dlc, the players all get the dlc for that game as well. This allows for a group of friends to only have to buy one set of dlc, and makes it a bit cheaper. It's not a huge positive, but it makes the game easier to introduce to new players.
I'd see that as a disgrace. I have to download and install ALL DLC, but can't use them right ? Because my Account is not enabled to do so. In MP sessions you get the problem of game version conflicts, that is their solution to their DLC politics. It would not even be there if they would have a different DLC politics.
@@hansjorgkunde3772 No, I don't think that's how it works. Dlc content is already installed on even the base version, it's just not unlocked. And from my experience, game version conflicts only happen when someone hasn't installed the latest version of the game, or someone forgot to disable a mod. But I only play ck2, eu4, and stellaris, so I don't have experience with Victoria and Hoi, if that's what you're referencing.
@@badgerino Well i might have worded it wrong. I said with allowing all DLC of the host for all players they fix a problem they have created with their DLC policy. Its their way to fix the inconsistency problems that arise from people might not have the same DLC available.
This step is convenient for them as they can uphold their DLC policy and you can play a MP session with others. It would not be necessary at first if they don't had these DLC policy however...
@@hansjorgkunde3772
Dude.. what?
You're trying so hard to twist a good thing into something bad... It's actually sad...
This is honestly the dumbest shit ever...
The devs spent 10 years releasing updates and dlcs for their game.. They deserve to get paid for it... 70% of all the dlcs are given for free.. so if somebody went out and bought Ck2 now as opposed to 10 years ago, they're actually get 10 years worth of updates, and upgrades for FREE... That's before they even buy any of the expansion packs..
There are plenty of sales, and bundles to get other expansions for dirt cheap if you're really poor or something, and honestly all the prices are well worth it..
I mean.. what is there literally to complain about? You have a developer who spends a decade on all their in-house games and pumps tons of love and care into it, and they get hated on...
Meanwhile oh look another COD... copy pasted 90% of it with a new wrapper and cosmetics.. for full price..... Or Warhammer II.. literally full priced 40$ fucking DLCs that just switch a few words and buffs around and a new hero... Are you fucking me? Those DLCs are apparently perfectly fine, but shame on paradox who pumps tons of actual content, love, and care into their expansions and dares to sell them CHEAPER than COD or Warhammer II DLCs that offer 95% less content...
Anyone who hates on Paradox is quite frankly either retarded, or thinks they should get everything free...
Hey John what is that game you are playing?
Oh, why it's EU4!
Looks good, where can I get it?
On the steam store.
Thanks John!
... Checks steam ...
Guess this one I'll be pirating
I'm up for this revolution
bruh thanks, we needed this.
This I why I always buy their older games like eu3, vic2, and hoi3
Do you buy them that regularly?
Like, you're getting bored of CK2 so you create a new steam account just for the endorphine release of paying for Vicky 2 ?
If so, can relate. Vicky is such a work of art
@@MadManchou yeah, I made a Victoria 2 windows 10 theme where the error sound was the jacobuin uprising sound, and the cursor was the Victoria 2 cursor, and such
Paradox, the EA of steam games
I started playing both eu4 and ck2 when they were already released since a couple of years, and I liked it so much that when HOI4 was announced I was hyped and decided to buy it at day one. I'll never do that mistake again.
I played and love HOI III and was massively disappointing in HOI IV. Plus most of the DLC's are just expansion packs for the focus trees. I truly missed when Paradox created games about making alternate reality instead of games which railroad you through history
One thing I like about eu4 ( and I think ck2 too ) is the dlc subscription they're testing now. Got into eu4 now, but didn't commit because I think about 250$ or something of dlc, but for the subscription I can play until I get burnt out and can just stop is nice
great video! Respect from Bosnia... hey Facebook.. why u block me
MARK ZUCKERBERG !!!!!!! MARK ZUCKERBERG WHY YOU FUCKING BLOCK ME
dont you have a landmine to trip over
Swithdas it’s called outer Serbia.
Just caught a Wooper in Pokemon Crystal. Just thought you'd like to know
I didn't know what that was and now I do and I maybe have wasted too much time with this comment but in the end, it was worth it.
How can they fix it tho? Maybe put all core game mechanics in free update but flavour in dlc.
U missed train simulator from the list, the amount of DLC there is mind boggling
Imperator will go the way of March of the Eagles. The forgotten, shitty paradox game that they’d like to forget about.
I have 28 hours on imperator, I don’t even remember anything about it.
I'm just screaming at my screen "CIVILIZATION DID THIS TOO!!!" don't forget that any game like this pretty much has this dlc tactic. Hell civ 5 was nothing without brave new world
This is honestly the dumbest shit ever...
The devs spent 10 years releasing updates and dlcs for their game.. They deserve to get paid for it... 70% of all the dlcs are given for free.. so if somebody went out and bought Ck2 now as opposed to 10 years ago, they're actually get 10 years worth of updates, and upgrades for FREE... That's before they even buy any of the expansion packs..
There are plenty of sales, and bundles to get other expansions for dirt cheap if you're really poor or something, and honestly all the prices are well worth it..
I mean.. what is there literally to complain about? You have a developer who spends a decade on all their in-house games and pumps tons of love and care into it, and they get hated on...
Meanwhile oh look another COD... copy pasted 90% of it with a new wrapper and cosmetics.. for full price..... Or Warhammer II.. literally full priced 40$ fucking DLCs that just switch a few words and buffs around and a new hero... Are you fucking me? Those DLCs are apparently perfectly fine, but shame on paradox who pumps tons of actual content, love, and care into their expansions and dares to sell them CHEAPER than COD or Warhammer II DLCs that offer 95% less content...
Anyone who hates on Paradox is quite frankly either retarded, or thinks they should get everything free...
If anyone is new to these games and already owns them on steam, but doesnt want to starve to buy their dlcs, check out the channel Brätman, he shows how to pirate them and still get achievments/multiplayer
This is why there are thousands of methods of getting the dlc cracked
My one problem with this thought process is, that you're assuming they plan to put all these features into the game before launch. Also imo most games that don't get dlc stunt get continuing support
Stellaris machine empires broken
have a good day
For years me and my friends come together to play Stellaris, and with mods and dlc (that only one of us has in great number), it never get's old
la resistance: is announced as dlc and not a update
me: *sad no dlc because im broke noises*
I disagree with most of it. I think their grand strategy games are much more in depth and complex than other games and thus more expensive to develop. The continued development over many years also needs to be financed, since salaries need to be paid. When I divide the amount of many I pay for their games by the hours I play their games, the number is in general better than for many other games.
Paradox likes to spin this tale of "oh, we are small indie studio" except that they are not. Paradox racked more profit in 2018 than CD Projekt Red, company which owns it's own publishing platform AND sold dozens of millions of their own game's copies. Paradox is huge greedy corp, and they are fucking with us
@@deadleaves1985
What's your point? Because they make alot of money they don't deserve to make any money?
What Sandermatt 87 said was 100% correct... Their games take alot of time to develop and balance because of how in depth they usually are.. They then spend the next 10 years creating new content for the game, while giving MAJOR chunks of those updates for FREE at the same time...
The only complaints I see about paradox are the most brain dead stupid complaints....
"All the DLCs cost too much1" Then don't buy them all at once.. People have this "all or nothing" mentality that just makes them shoot themselves in the foot and hate on..
It's just so many levels of stupid, I can't even fathom how people can be this retarded.
CK was originally supposed to be about being a crusader, so no they didn't "intentionally lock playable nations behind dlc". It just wasn't the original point of the game.
The thing about only one player needing dlc for everyone to have it doesn’t work in hoi4
Brian M it does for me. The host of the game needs to have the dlc for it to be applied to other players.
I totally get your point. It´s annoying that I can´t get my friends to play the game because it´s too expensive as a newcomer and that important features are looked behind DLCs. But how could an alternative look like? An abo model?
What I would like and support could be something like integrating all but the last 3-5 DLC into the base game for free.
I personally think Stellaris is paradox's masterpiece, its not overloaded with dlcs, base game is pretty good on its own, the dlc add a huge amount of content and are really worth the money
And those story packs are the BEST
And nobody fucking cares about sci-fi
8:35 Here's the rub, Grand Strategy Games are incredibly niche products, creating one with the relative polish, scale and complexity that Paradox offers without a persistent and repetitive economic incentive is... well... I wouldn't be surprised if it was flat out nonviable.
I hope another dev studio out there proves me wrong and we get something incredible but I ain't holding my breath for one.
They just launched a minor dlc that has sperches (which a mod is available for and the mod does it better) and another armor pack now for the allies
whenever i hear your outro i can only think of jermas rat song
In my opinion, there is a clear distinction between Paradox Interactive, the publisher, and Paradox Development Studios (PDS), the Developer. I don't think anyone at PDS wants their games to be purposefully bad to motivate customers to buy DLCs. The unsuccessful Imperator launch is, the way I see it, the fault of wrong advertising. Paradox Interactive marketed Imperator as a "best of" of all major PDS titles (Characters and their traits from CKII, Warfare from HoI4, Pops from Vic2 and the rest from EU4). However, Imperator is a sequel to Europa Universalis: Rome, and compared to that, Imperator greatly improves on (basically) everything.
I got into Paradox through Stellaris and now, after some sales, own all DLCs for EU4 CKII and Vic2 (even those stupid E-Books I will never read), so peronally the "it will stop new players from buying our games" argument doesn't work for me. Also, in Multiplayer, only the host needs to have the DLCs and all the other players get the extra content and if you want to teach your freinds Paradox's games, you shouldn't just send them off into Singleplayer anyway. Since this is now becoming pretty pro-paradox I should mention that I'm probably biased, because I gave Paradox a lot of my money.
Still, I totally agree that some competition certainly wouldn't hurt Paradox and they should reduce the price of old and almost base game DLCs, but sadly, that won't stop me from continuing to spend my money on necessary expansions, nice but unnecessary cosmetics and worthless E-Books.
PS: Sorry for not perfect English, it's not my native language
trust me mate every time a new DLC comes out I despise Paradox. I hate them with the fury of a thousand sons as I enter in my payment information. Everytime I vow I won't do this again this is the last time as I complete the payment.
Paradox Fanboys (I love their games, but am still able to criticize their policies) are the worst, they would accept as a fully finished base game an eu4 in which you could only play as England...and then, some 400 dlc later would merrily tell you to go play the base game.
Edit: and now they adopted a subscription model to play ck2...
I tried getting into that game but then found out that one of the DLC is actually mandatory. Without it you just cant progress and apparently that change was made when that DLC came out. So I ended up returning the game.
You don't need the dlc's to play them games but you need the dlc's to have fun playing them
>Releasing a game every few years and polishing it until the very end with dlcs
>Releasing the same shit every year
My choice is done
Having government mandated dlc's isn't actually that far out crazy. The swedish government is already subsidizing writers, movies and tv shows made in sweden, and the only reason they don't subsidize video games is that they made a judgement call and said it wasn't culture. Now the real reason is probably that video game companies in sweden is already doing pretty good for themselves, but getting a bit younger politicians into the riksdag might make them change their previous standpoint.
Will this make dlc's free? No, but subsidizing local video game companies will give them the funding to develop their titles more, possibly reducing the prices of dlc's. If you want more communist support in sweden you need to spend 0.1 influence per month.
The last solution of this PDX DLC incident is my favourite one
Not sure how much involvement Paradox has in the Cities Skylines DLC, but I also have some issues with the scope and lack of forwards-compatible legacy content with regard to the expansions for Cities Skylines:
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