RICK REACTS: Game of Thrones 8x3 "The Long Night"
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Eric and Rick react to and discuss season 8 episode 3 of Game of Thrones - The Long Night
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Even Peter Dinklage pointed out in a behind the scenes video that putting the women and children to the crypt that was full of dead while everybody was fighting a Necromancer was not the wise's decision...
All the best canon military minds are dead. So there’s one thin excuse for the missteps in battle logic these past few seasons lol
I hate it when the writing makes me feel cleverer than the characters who are supposed to be intelligent.
The only think that makes all of it a little more plausible is that they were entombed entirely in stone crypts. People wouldn’t be able to break out of a stone tomb that’s basically the size of the body, with no weapon, so why should a skeleton? (The only body down there that wouldn’t be a skeleton or dust would be Rickon)
@@DarkBanks3 adding to that where else would they have gone? the entire castle got overrun the crypt has dead inside yes, but indeed they should atleast have had some difficulty with getting out. plus there are a limited amount of them in there
@@MrArjan101 They could
1 - remove and/or burn everything that could be used by the NK from the crypt
2 - move somewhere else. Even outside of winterfell is fine.
Y'know what's funny. The Dothraki were going to charge without any special weapons against the wights before Melisandre showed up
Also shame the Dothraki all died out and definitely won't be back next episode
😂
And the unsullied. Their time in Westeros was unprecedented and short but unfortunately this episode shows them to have all died. Shame ...
Yup
@@kylegaudette1362 they don't need balls if they can multiply like bacterias
This comment lmao
"I thought Jon had a purpose." -Literally every Game of Thrones viewer
@Fir You do know that none of those people would be there (besides maybe a handful of the northerners) if not for Jon, right?
@@ms_scribbles umm No,I would say after battle of the bastards,Northern houses would've rallied for any stark of the children, Jon only got that position because he was last living "son" of ned stark.Yes,he rallied against AOTD but he was also the prime reason why NK got his hand on a dragon and the army marched in the seven kingdoms,all for one hand boi.
he did
His purpose was to unite everyone, kill Dany and f*ck off, all while saying two sentences; “I don’t want it.” And “you’re my queen”.
Yes, he really didn't do much in this battle. But many people are furious about arya killing the night king because it should have been jon (The prince that was promised and all that). But even if Arya killed the night king, it's still jon who is responsible for their victory. He made allies with wildlings, he took winterfell back from the boltons and united the north, he brought Danaerys and her armies into the fight against the dead. It might be Arya who plunged the knife into the night king, but it was still Jon who beat him.
Can Rick strategize my life?
I’d be unstoppable.
"It's hard to be invested when things are stupid" sums up the last season in a nutshell for me.
Aye, I second that.
The last 2 seasons you mean.
@@mehdiaknouch7890 Don't remind me of the moronic mission to capture a white!
We need this on a shirt
Yep
It pleases me that Rick never says what you expect him to. Love it!!! ❤
I like how it's so dark that there are huge dark blobs on the screen because they tried to up the brightness lol.
"One dragon should be enough to beat Cersei"
Heh
Yeah but Danerys will be really careful with her Dragons now no way someone will kill her last two
Heh "best season eveeer 😅"
Watching Dany in this episode and knowing what happens two episodes later just .... Pisses me off
It doesnt fucking make sense!!! Lmao it dont matter how much it was forshadowed.
@@chrisn.5496 It wasn't actually foreshadowed. They shoehorned that bullshit in. Proof being an "inside the episode" from season 6 . D and D say Dany hasn't inherited the Targaryen madness and blatantly state she isn't insane like her father
In his Visions in 6.6, he saw Wildfire exploding under Kings Landing. The Same shot of the Wildfire exploding was used in 6.10 when Cersei blew up the Great Sept of Baelor
"Open the gate!" "Nope! mmm mmm, close the gate..." Rick reacts was made for this episode
Imagine if Tywin Lannister HAD come back to defeat the Night King in this season though, I'd be down for that tbh.
"Night King, you will marry my daughter Cersei and secure the Land of Always Winter for House Lannister. And you will put an end to this embarrassment you call an invasion right this instant."
[Night King glares]
[Tywin glares back harder]
[Night King explodes]
A better end for the Night King than what we got 😂
A better end but that doesn’t need saying
Tywin was a boss. King Stannis with a Tywin as his Hand would be the greatest timeline. It wouldn't happen but that would've been the best ending
@@jameshughes7946 Lol that would be a dark day for Westeroos indeed. I agree with Varys, Tywin is too ruthless and Stannis is too harsh but I hear book Stannis isn't so bad.
@@BhBc8f8 Tywin is a cunning and ruthless but I truly believe only Stannis could keep him in line. I also wouldn't call Stannis harsh, I'd call him fair. No-one escapes justice with Stannis. Even Davos he saved his life and saved Storms End Stannis still took his finger tips because one good doesn't wipe out the bad
I really appreciate the after episode discussion. There's a lot to be critical of, but at least do it thoughtfully and with civility. Thumbs up!
“I though Jon had a purpose” we all did too rick, we all did
Uh, have you actually WATCHED the final episode?!?
@@janhommer You mean that awfully botched conclusion of an awfully botched season? If the writing had been on par with season 3/4/5 maybe it would have been satisfying, as it is, it's a rushed and idiotic conclusion to a rushed an idiotic season.
@@steroq6699 1. This was (I thought) about whether Jon had a purpose, which your comment doesn't refute, 2. I believe it only seemed "botched" to some people (not me, well, not on second thought, anyway) because it was the last season and shit had to go down, which makes everything seem like it's "too early", even though it's not if you look at it in the context of the entire show. I personally had that feeling way earlier than most people, btw, which was when Daenerys learns about Jons true heritage. I thought they'd have her pretend everything's fine at first, instead her reaction in that moment already gives away her true character... But, well, like I said, it's the last season, considering everything that happened before it didn't actually happen "early", or "rushed" for that matter, at all. If anything, it was less rushed than season 7, which was all about characters meeting (/reuniting) as quickly as possible. Ep. 1 of season 8 was still kinda like that, but ep. 2 really took its time to go more into detail there. 3 and 5, both particularly long, each completely focussed on ONE battle, if that's not taking its time, I don't know what is. And ep. 6 was well balanced with half of it dealing with the showdown and the second half the epilogue, each half almost as long as a regular episode of earlier seasons. Only ep. 4 got a BIT of a season 7 vibe towards the end (but not before picking up where season 2 left off, with more awesome character moments)...
3. There's nothing "idiotic" about it, that's, unlike the "botched" thing, not even a debate for me. I understand you didn't like the way things turned out. Which is fine, I guess, you don't have to... But it definitetly means you didn't get the show or what it was trying to say all along, in other words you've been a "fan" of it for the wrong reasons (as if it hadn't been warning you over and over again, but, whatever...). Which, again, is OK, but just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it's "badly written" or, well "idiotic". That kind of assessment ironically says more about the idioticness of the people making it than the show itself...
@@janhommer Let's see what GRRM will eventually write in the last two books of his saga and we'll be able to discuss this in a new light.
It's not Dumb & Dumber's fault that GRRM is so slow a writer, though. They did what they could with their tiny imagination and Hollywood habits. But, to a faithful reader of GRRM, of whom many of the prophecies written in the books have been excluded from the show anyway, this is as close to betrayal as one imagines it to be.
As for the purpose of Jon, well, since he's always been the dumbest character in the whole story, I didn't expect him to have one but I expected more from Daenerys, Greyworm, Jorah, Tyrion and others. Speaking of this episode alone (the first previous have been alright), the battle plan IS idiotic, criminal even as they're treating their troops like cannon fodder. I don't think GRRM, a history buff, would have written such a nonsensical plan.
@@steroq6699 What does being a history buff have to do with how someone would write a battle against a supernatural army of undead people? That's exactly what the episode shows, that they're much quicker and less stoppable than any of them could have anticipated (or, well, they, especially Jon, might even have KINDA anticipated it, but that still doesn't mean there's much more they could have done [differently or better] it's kinda like a human fighting a dog or something [I imagine]) Plus, the Dothraki have a very different fighting style, they would have been the first to attack in any case (and they're DEFINITELY not used to fighting that kind of enemy, nor could they have actually been prepared for it) if that's what you're referring to.
"It's not Dumb & Dumber's fault that GRRM is so slow a writer, though. They did what they could with their tiny imagination and Hollywood habits."
If you agree they did what they could, why do you still have to insult them? "Tiny imagination" in particular is an unnecassarily disrespectful assumption which can easily be questioned and in a way that, again, says more about the imagination of the one saying it than theirs. THEY are the ones who met with GRRM and had everything explained to them, not you! And they were true fans of the books as well, you know, that's why they wanted to do it in the first place and that's why GRRM, who TESTED them for how well they got his story, let 'em do it...
"But, to a faithful reader of GRRM, of whom many of the prophecies written in the books have been excluded from the show anyway, this is as close to betrayal as one imagines it to be."
It's an ADAPTATION, dude! It HAS to leave stuff out! If GRRM accepted that , why can't you?
"Let's see what GRRM will eventually write in the last two books of his saga and we'll be able to discuss this in a new light."
I agree. I personally don't think his ending will be significantly different from the show's (not as far as the MAIN characters and storylines are concerned, anyway), but we'll see...
“It’s hard to be invested when things are stupid but I’m trying! I’m trying, Eric!” 😂
Really wished Eric had been the one to guide Rick instead. Like Calvin and Rick are polar opposites I would have like Eric counters to Rick points and complaints.
Still love it when the Hound turns on dad mode.
If anything, S8 gave me my favorite piece of music in all of GOT - “The Night King.”
Me too. Theon's scene.
Honestly I love how Rick puts out how they should have improved these things
Meanwhile afterlife, Robert talking to Night King: "You let that little girl disarm you?"
What was the Dothraki plan if Melisandre didn’t show up. Were they just going to hope their arahks worked even though they weren’t Valyrian steel or dragonglass
When Rick started this show we were still hopeful about the show and he got flack for critiquing it. Now... excoriate it!
He got flak for stupid criticisms about Battle of the Bastards. I stick by that 100 percent.
@@npe9483 Stupid? Dude, the only real bad thing he did back in botb was how he kept laughing and trying to crack jokes while watching that episode.
His comment on how stupid the strategy and ridiculous it was are all logical
Sigh. Let’s get this straight. Jon acted in a way that was consistent with character. He was manipulated to Ramsay into charging first and losing any advantages he had on the enemy. This is true to Jon’s nature as an inspirational warrior but an emotional human being who is t a great strategist or commander from a tactical perspective. Rick’s logic made no sense because the entire point was that Jon fucked it up and had to rely on Littlefinger to save his ass. The fact the show then did nothing with that interesting and authentic scenario takes nothing away from the episode.
@@npe9483 "emotional human being"
He as a character grew out of it by season 4. That's the entire point of the "kill the boy" scene. His "Emotions" in season 6 was just something used to create cheap tension to showcase "how smart and manipulative Ramsay is!"
Also, what he did doesnt change what his other commanders did. Tormund gets a pass because he's not an actual commander. Davos has had experience and was taught by Stannis Baratheon, the man who holds the title as the most accomplished general alive by the end of the battle at the wall (which was then butchered by d&d to get botb because the title, botb sounds cool). His usage of the cavalry, infantry and archers are just horrible. What makes it worse is that this was also what Jon wanted to do early on as seen on the battle map in the planning scene only difference is that they're missing the "luring your enemies" bit.
Jon Snow isnt the greatest strategist or general but he isnt this level of dumb or atleast he wasnt supposed to be if pre season 5 jon is taken into consideration or book Jon. He's taught and studies things like warfare at freaking winterfell for fuck's sake just like Robb was growing up. You're telling me, he wouldnt be able to at the very least think "hmmm maybe this isnt a great idea. I should plan more". Also, when you see a shield formation taking minutes to deploy, you dont stand there and watch. You can argue how they were in "Shock" or something like that but you dont just stand and watch. it doesnt take a genius to figure out that they're *surrounding* you at that very moment but no, let's stand and watch or worse as Davos and his reserves did, walk into the encirclement while watching
Not to mention the obvious plot armor and the dialogue. The former is ridiculous while the latter felt awkward especially that initial exchange between him and ramsay. I doubt it's the actors fault but the delivery of the lines and the lines themselves are awkwardly bad.
The episode just like the long night, well shot choreo, cinematography phenomenal, music epic and aesthetic fantastic. Everything else is bad with the acting being only okay for most.
I get that we all want to see a good tactical and strategic battle but those logical things only work against humans not the Night King. Best case scenario it prolongs the battle but only delays the inevitable. This was Jon's 3rd battle against the Dead, after the casualties in the first 30 mins it became clear that there was no chance in hell for a strategic retreat. This was their last stand, it was all or nothing and they gave it their all 💪
My guess is Dany never taught Jon “dracarys” as insurance.
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When rick said "I thought Jon had a purpose" i literally laughed so hard
He did have a purpose. He got Daenerys to help and he got the dragonglass for weapons.
@@kiritoswords6479 And how much did that help ? Dragon fire was useless against the NK and NK died because of a Valyrian dagger that Jon had no connection with.
Arya was the one to kill him and still could have without Dany or dragonglass. Dothraki died without doing literally anything. Without Dany possibly more casualties might have happened. But you know our characters had plot armor on & the dead armies have a ability to randomly appear again in the next episodes so it won't have mattered.
@@DEE-305 not to mention the night king would have never got past the wall if it wasn't for the dragon he killed. So there's that. I blame the writing though. We all thought Jon and Dany collectively had a purpose and it just wound up being all for not.
@@DEE-305 What do you mean how much did that help? It bought Arya time to kill the NK. The causalities would be been much worse if Jon and Dany didn't take out ~60% of the wights. Arya may have struck the killing blow but this victory was a collective team effort.
@@BhBc8f8 What casualties ?? Like i already said, the main characters had plot armor, it's not like they would have died. And the dothraki died and reappeared in the next episodes as well, even the unsullied increased. Yeah maybe it bought Arya time, but if she can run and jump to kill the NK when he is surrounded by wights and Whitewalkers then she can probably do anything !! This season bent logic way too much.
I don’t love this season, but I love that Arya killed the Night King and it wasn’t some corny ending with Jon Snow and a mythic sword. This was true to the spirit of the show.
Furthermore, Maisie Williams was great in this episode.
@Pro Jey96 That's a little hypocritical since we've known from the start that the end the long night would have some prophetic intervention.
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Instead of Jon yelling at a dragon, have him slay it, which distracts the wights - lets say they hear or sense it - so arya can slip in. gives him a purpose at least.
Yes! Fuck theres so many ways they could've made it made sense but no they had to go with cheap shock value.
Jon slaying a dragon would be so cool! He would be badass like just grabbing his sword & rushing Viserion. Or at least hurting him because all he did was escape the fire & yell at the end.
Rick , your a good man , thank you .
Rick: "Ahahahahahaha"
In Valerian tongue it means: "This show sucks"
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Are u guys react to HBO's Chernobyl?? Its reallly good storry telling and cinomatography!!!!!
Wow I completely forgot she was on Aryas list this is why I love Eric in these
Just so you know: The Fellowship of the Ring was first published in 1954, was partly an allegory for World War II.
Tolkien said no it wasnt. He hated that people would claim that
It’s undeniable WW2 had influence on his writing, but that is not the same as being an allegory.
I actually kind of like this episode. I mean the battle strategy was stupid but so was the strategy in previous battles. But other than that I really enjoyed this episode.
But it only goes downhill from here.
What about the ridiculous plot armour and dumb idea for Arya to kill NK.
Arya killing the Night King was great. Better than cliched butthurt fanboy trope of Jon doing it with a big sword.
@@npe9483 No it wasn't. She flew out of nowhere, typical cringe shit she's been doing since season 6. Jon should have killed him, he was the Prince who was promised, Azor Ahai. But instead he was nothing and they decided to give the kill to Arya to "subvert expectations" and to please the mindless idiots who just like shock value.
NPE 94
Have you watched the actors read the scripts for season 8?
“She vaults off a pile of dead wights.” So apparently she can fly now.
Please tell me how is that a good ending to the Night King?
The battle tactics are absolutely atrocious here, far worse than they have ever been and are so bad that it's the part I hate most about Season 8. That said, it can be ignored for the spectacle, and I am glad for you that you're able to do that.
Why the fuck is everyone saying that she snuck up just as she snuck up at Jon?
No one was standing near Jon when she snuck up while there where whitewalkers just to protect the night king.
I honestly didn't mind Arya killing the Night King either. It was everything after this that was...um...rough. I still think that if this is the ending to the books it will work, and will be great, because Martin will take his time and build it up properly. But he just has to write it first.
I would love to hear Rick's battle plans for the different battles in the show, because I definitely have ideas but they wouldn't be as detailed as Rick's probably.
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I've been waiting for this. First scene with the dothraki, Rick why are the charging....:) Same thoughts @my first watch.
For everyone still winging about Daenerys going mad. Rick called it here, “her blood is crying out ‘burn! Burn!’ But she’s got these advisors around that ground her”.
It was still handled very poorly. They should have taken a lot more time to build it up properly. Also, she didn't really have anyone left to turn to for advice in the end, what with people betraying her based on the assumption that she was going to go mad. Before, people died or went mad because something happened to them or because they made stupid choices. Dany was set up for failure no matter what she chose. She was written into a corner.
I still don't understand why dead people have to make velociraptor noises
I still don’t understand why velociraptors have to make screechy machinery sounds
how do you know how a velociraptor sounds?
@@solgnaleb I was born in the upper Barremian stage of the early Cretaceous period and had to fend off Utahraptors when skiing to school uphill both ways
@@kallemort tough life
kallemort lmao what a great response. That’s hilarious
Arya sneaking up on him was dumb since the Night King had himself a little posse of white walkers behind him AND she came at him from like 10ft in the air..
That theme is stunning.
So when exactly did GOT jump the shark? As much as I like some episodes in Season 6 and 7 there's just no getting around the fact it's been on a downward slope since they ran out of material from the books.
It started in Season 5 with the Stannis and Dorne arc but people didnt really care because the lazy writing hadnt affected the main characters yet. Season 6 had some questionable decisions that were purely for plot progression or spectacle but didnt make sense like Sansa not telling Jon about the Vale. No one opposing Elaria in Dorne. Arya surviving being stabbed in the gut. Euron's plan of building a fuckton of ships with no resources. At least back then I personally overlooked those things cause it didn't feel too egregious. I rationalized it as them trying to conclude the loose ends to the second act of the story something GRRM hasnt been able too. Season 7 is when things went off the rails. It's when I think Dan and Dave started placing cheap shock value above sensible story telling. It didnt matter how we got there as long as they hit their major beats. Viserion dying and the Night King bringing down the wall. They made Tyrion stupid, made Cersei and Jaime smart, and Jon and Dany in love. It all felt so inorganic but at least season 7 had good moments. Season 8 was a complete trainwreck.
18:34 there was also the beginning of the explosion of the wildfire under the sept.
He sees fragments, flashes of the future, but he doesn't necessarily control it or know their context, significance or exact time.
There's plenty of things to 'nitpick' in this episode, but the main issue is there just ended up being no thematic resonance to the white walkers. Their whole story was (nearly) unstoppable bad guys, that want to kill everyone for 'reasons', and are killed by the good guys via their one weakness, basically the worst fantasy archetype. I hope GRRM handles them in a more nuanced manner in the books, if he ever finishes them!
GRRM compared them to global warming and natural disasters. They are an evil that doesnt need explanation, beyond being a consequence of the mistakes of man kind.
@@npe9483 So all we need to do to stop global warming is find its leader and stab him the chest? That analogy of an uncaring 'force of nature' goes out the window when you assign them a figurehead who has specific motivations (e.g. wanting to personally kill Bran). Also, on the issue of consequences, literally no one south of Winterfell, suffered any consequences. If you lived in Kings Landing, you'd wonder what all the fuss was about
@@chrisjsewell Well, the night king is, so far, a show exclusive.
@@Hunterfalke indeed, and hopefully it stays that way! Or if they he went the route of them being a 'misunderstood people' (a bit like the book version of I Am Legend), I'd be open to that. Just something to justify their implied importance, over and abover just a plot device
*Rick's honesty is so refreshing.* Because I found that even when some of the boys don't like something, they fight against those instincts and they'll try and find something positive to say. Which is nice. But sometimes something is _just plain stupid_ and needs to be called out.
I was also a little iffy on *Bran* seeing the future myself, that is until I remembered a scene when *Bran* was being introduced to the whole _Three-eyed Raven_ concept by the kid from the two-part *Doctor Who* episode with the _family of blood._ That same kid did tell *Bran* about seeing things that may come to pass. Knowing that, he may have seen Arya stabbing the *Night King* with that dagger, _and nothing more._
I won't get into a dull diatribe about tactical stupidity. In a nutshell, I would have put everybody behind the castle walls, including the dragons. Ain't no walking dead getting near us with dragon heads popping up over the walls. But that's armchair quarterbacking and probably wouldn't make for the best viewing experience.
I was also a little annoyed that the dragons did nothing as all the dead were just standing motionless behind the fire trench. It was the ideal time to burn them all. Yes, you wanted to lure in the *Night King,* but if you could destroy his army, I think that's still a major win. You can always get the *Night King.* Why not destroy his army when they're just standing there lit up by the fire trench? Answer: because they're writers trying to make something cinematic, no matter how stupid it may actually be. Unfortunately, such stupidity can really take you out of the show.
I am not okay with him dropping the ball on the allegory of climate change by making the *Night King* story so simplistic and unnecessary regarding the end game for the show.
I'm also disappointed that all of the mystery and build up like with the symbols that we've seen, and any sort of motivation on their part was just dropped. While I understand this sort of thing can happen in life, if you're going to put it in there, let us know why. Because at times only *the audience* saw these symbols. And that's where they really messed up. If you just going to show the characters these weird symbols made up of horse heads and such, then fine. But that wasn't the case.
This is the new jump the shark. This for me was the moment the show died. It had many stages of dying before this season but this episode was the one that did ir
Disagree, this revived it for me, a false dawn before the car crash which was Last of the Starks.
Nah the shark jump was BotB. That absolute atrocity of decision making that would surely lose all morale and not a single soldier would fight for Jon if he made decisions like that was the end. That's not even including the dumb cunt Sansa withholding key tactical (not like Jon would have used them) information that, oh I don't know, she has 500-1000 more heavy Calvary coming! Yeah that was that the jumping of the shark.
Nobody gives Jon any credit he killed Viserion by shouting at him. Jon the Dragon shouter.
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I think after what happened to Hodor, Bran realised the repercussions of getting involved and learnt that the best thing he could do is let things happen the way they should happen.
The problem most people had wasnt that Arya got to kill the Night-King the problem most people had is that Arya got to do everything, while Jon, sorry Mr. "sHeISmYquEeN" was useless all season. It also undermined the decision that Jon had to make to leave Sam to die (which he didnt do, further making the scene pointless)
I think the Two Towers represented the union of Sauron and Sauromon; Isengard and Mordor joining forces to destroy the free people of Mddle Earth.
I admire Eric for finding the positives in things that most people would painfully complain about. Keep being tolerant man!
@27:06 - I didn't catch that part that Eric said months ago, but does he know now that he was completely wrong about the Gods being just an explanation that people use to describe magic?
Varys literally heard a voice from a blue flame (assumed to be the lord of light) after part of him was offered as a sacrifice. which then a priestess like Melisandre offered to tell him what it said...decades later after never meeting Varys before.
That's not very hands off.
I never gave much thought to the books until this last season. Now I plan to read them all, and hope GRRM lives to finish them. I really want to see what his take is on all this is.
sebradfield the books are awesome 👍 I hope they get finished too.
7:30 ricks the first person i've seen who reacts who said exactly what i did when i thought hes looking at arya thinking "ricks quote"
Jon has history with the night king it was his kill!
C's In I agree but the show didn’t do a good job of showing the NK was trying to stay away from him.
Just have Jon yell coward when he raised the dead and that gives you some satisfaction.
Sorry the writing was horrible. I’m not a writer but that one line improves this.
When he said I watched too many episodes of dragonball z to know that ain’t work!
7:37 top 10 cinematic bitchslaps
No one is doubting that Arya had the skills to kill the Night King, but it makes no sense storywise. She didn't even know the guy existed before season 8, and that "blue eyes" "prophecy" was said in season 3, D&D (the showrunners) said that they decided Arya would kill him 3 years ago, which would be around season 6. Hell, it's even out of order when they repeat it this episode lol, there was never any emphasis on "blue eyes" the first time.
And yep, Jon and Bran were both utterly useless here, and remember that moment where he decides whether he should save Sam or go to help Bran? Had no impact, Sam and everyone else just randomly survives even though half of them were laying beneath hills of wights by the end. Sam was literally shown about to get his face eaten off but we get no explanation as to how the hell he survived.
Not everything is decided by prophecy and foreshadowing. I honestly think Melisandre was merely telling Arya what she needed to hear in the moment to do what she was capable of doing.
The show routinely shows us there are no heroes, no one person solutions to the sufferings in the world. If Jon had done the deed the show would be like any other cliched fantasy show and turn him into a god status human being.
Arya made sense, a woman who learned the skills who everyone underestimated killing the Night King out of a sense of survival. We dont need prophecies, or links to Long Nights from thousands of years before, we just need to see what makes sense in the moment it happens.
@@npe9483 "If Jon had done the deed the show would be like any other cliched fantasy show and turn him into a god status human being. "
That would have at least been a satisfying conclusion, and you can't act like the show has never been cliche. In this very episode the "evil dark lord who kills people for the sake of killing people" (AKA the Night King) dies, and when he dies his entire army disintegrates. That's like the biggest fantasy cliche ever.
"no one person solutions to the sufferings in the world." Yet the second Arya teleports behind the Night King and stabs him, the entire army of the dead collapses and all the White Walkers disintegrate.
Again, it doesn't matter if she had the skills to do it or not, it makes no narrative sense for her to do it. The show is supposed to be telling a story, not trying its best to surprise us and "subvert expectations", Arya did not even know the Night King existed before season 8.
"We dont need prophecies, or links to Long Nights from thousands of years before, we just need to see what makes sense in the moment it happens."
That's exactly what everyone is doing, and nothing that happened in this episode made any sense. It didn't have to be Jon who did it, but don't you think it's bad that we didn't get a single duel with a White Walkers this episode? If Jon had killed one of the White Walkers he wouldn't have been completely useless, but in the end Jon did nothing, Bran did nothing, Jaime and Brienne did nothing. It's bad writing.
C's In If he knew how vulnerable he was, then why the hell did he even show up? The idiot could have just stayed back with the other White Walkers until the wights overran and killed them all. No, instead this supernatural necromancer has to do a slow motion walk all the way to Bran, and take like two minutes to draw his icicle sword only for Arya to teleport behind him out of nowhere and stab him. We are shown that the Night King can leave life-long marks on people just by barely touching them in dreams, yet Arya has no side effect whatsoever when he has a chokehold on her. Arya did not deserve the kill, it has nothing to do with her storyline and storywise it would have been better for basically anyone else to do it, Jaime, Jon, Bran, maybe even Jorah. And because they ended the apocalypse halway through the season, it didn't feel remotely close to an actual apocalypse, the "long night" lasted only one night and they didn't even make it past 1/3rd of the North. Right after this Bran and Jon had basically nothing to do in the story for two episodes until the finale when they did whatever the plot required without any buildup and then just screwed off.
I love how everyone is suddenly a military strategist. Fighting the dead from inside the walls means you've already lost.
Rayma Thank you! Everyone forgets the NK had a dragon. And their best chance was preventing them from getting to the castle at all.
Jons was there to bring everyone together. They say a bunch of times how Jon has the ability to bring enemies together for a common purpose. That was why he was brought back.
That's the problem; they say it. It should be show, not tell.
Ahhh, the episode I been waiting for. Did not disappoint in trashing all the decisions while still giving props to the things that were great about the episode.
10/10 best reaction of this series, Eric and Rick have better chemistry than the others
Charles Dance was definitely one of the highlights of the series. I love how Eric makes sure too mention Tywin a good bit in these videos.
the worse scene in all of television history is when Arya kills the Night King
twists are good but they have to be built upon not an absolute asspull
Imagine becoming a patreon for watching GOT with the crew and then can't even sit through episode 4 of the season. lol
Oh man,I envy people who got to enjoy the final season.I really do!!
ritik yadav how is your comment from 6 days ago if this video came out 2 hours ago 🤨
i enjoyed it for what it was. it was going to be impossible to meet everyones expectations. but quite a few just say seaon 8 bad you dumb for liking. i liked the acting the music some script moments ending was bitter sweet didnt fall in the happy ever after
Read the Silmarillion too, if you haven't. You'll need the "Atlas of Middle Earth" to supplement it.
guys... we would‘ve been ok if u turned down the studio lights for this one :)
full immersion > ur perfect skintones
Any battle strategy honestly would of been ineffective, most strategy relies on your enemies fear or their ability to easily die and be stopped all of which is void when fighting the dead, add the time restraints and the fact that most of the armies don’t speak each other’s languages and don’t trust each other I would say a fool proof battle strategy would of made no sense. The best strategy would of been (other than abandoning the continent) to march to Herenhal the castle that can repel an army of a million and hold out there.
I am really angry, like REALLY angry, to people that think Jon not killing the night king was bad writting. Seriously?! I mean wtf is wrong with Arya being the one???
She was trained to be a "ninja kind of assassin" for what i believe to be a reasonable amount of time and i like to think that any usual type of swordfighter couldn't defeat the NK face to face so it took an "invincible" type of fighter to take him down.
Where did anyone say Jon not killing the NK was bad writing. All they ask is what was Jon's purpose ? He was revived from death for God's sake.
Remember when Rick critique the show and everyone gave him shit for it?
Rewatching this because Rick's reactions hit me on a spiritual level. Literally almost all hardcore fans reactions embodied.
JON WAS BROUGHT BACK BECAUSE.. he needed to take back WINTERFELL, which ARYA hears he did this from HOT PIE and is the REASON she stops going to kings landing and turns around to go to winterfell, which is where everyone makes the last stand and effectively ARYA kills the night king and ends winter ... so what was JON's PURPOSE .. this
Even though the whole Arya killing night king wasn’t liked, I think if the season and series ended in this episode, it would’ve been better than the last episodes where they make jokes around a table
Ep 3: The lost logic
"dragons are gonna run out of fire first" hahahahaha......oh wait till ep 5
Arya killing the NK is still dumb af:
1. She snuck up on Jon when Jon was alone and lost in his thoughts. NK was SURROUNDED by wights and other white walkers.
2. The "eyes prophecy" is just a big retcon they used to fit this stupid kill into the narrative: they said they decided that Arya will kill the NK 3 years ago. The episode, in which red witch tells her about the eyes is much older than that.
Arya the “Assassin”, screams while lunging at the Night King 😑
I love how everyone's agreeing with Rick now but when he criticised the battle of the bastards for being equally stupid, everyone hated it xD
I think a lot of people have missed hints of Bran at least seeing some of the future remember season 7 him giving Arya the dagger when she grabbed it he gave a look he knew what would happen, him saying waiting for an old friend Jamie. It's him seeing what's to happen, he looked right at the NK exposed area where Arya would kill him. Also the vision future/past some where obvious future events he saw the wildfire explosion by Cersei before that episode even happened. That one was outright future events, I think the dragon over kings landing was meant to be future as well based off what we know after this.
Who would of thought Rick’s thoughts on this show was right the entire time. My god, what a let down
I knew Rick would hate the long night.
The whole strategic approach to this shitty defensive battle was horrendous. And so dark you couldn't see much.
* Firstly, let's charge all of our cavalry directly at the enemy.
Rick: "Why TF didn't they get a military advisor? WTF!!!"
Rick: can Bran still do...?
I'm not convinced he could do anything once he left that tree
Rick is really gonna be in his element here!
I talked shit about Rick before but I gotta give him props now it actually seems like he is analyzing the show rationally now
The night before Theon took winterfell bran had a dream that the ocean came to winterfell and ser rodrik was dead in the water, that seemed to be a form of future seeing
Louyvaton Bran had that dream
Phenomenal Woman yeah that’s what I was trying to say
ah yes, the 1 episode you never thought could go wrong
I love the fact that because this show has become a really big part of my life, i was hoping for so much more from the last season, plotwise (because visually it was a masterpiece), but now i realize that its not that easy giving a perfect ending to such a "pop calture changing" tv series and because of that i try to focus on the greatest moments of this season and actually i'm realy satisfied. As rick said " i'm not as bothered as i think i should be because of the many great moments".
Jon's goals has always been about stopping the long night. Saving the wildlings, asking Dany for help, risking his life to go after a wight and show it to Cersei, everything he did was to gather as much power as he could to help defeat the Night King. His goals were very clear, he was always after being the shield that protects mankind.
And i was very disappointed with him in this episode. Jon would be on the ground trying to help, especially being with Bran. I was expecting a fight between him and the NK because of all the foreshadowing they did in Hardhome and in the episode beyond the wall. Even if he died during the fight, he deserved the fight.
About why he was brought back: to gather the army of the living. Without him, the wildlings would've died. Dany would not help the north. Winterfell probably would be with the Boltons. So, yeah, he had a very important role in this battle until the episode itself, where the showrunners fucked up his arc.
I remember guessing that humanity would lose in this episode. I thought the rest of the series might take place in a frozen, post-apocalyptic hellscape with a small band of surviving characters trying to stay alive.
It's fun to think about.
I half hoped the night king would kill and raise Danny, Jon and their dragons then take king's landing for the bad ending or that Bran would warg into one of the dragons to help win the battle for the good ending
I like how in the decisive battle the whitewalkers were just for show.... not
LoL “Those are some hard faces.... and fabulous hair!” LoL
Jon has purpose just like every piece of a puzzle - because he is a Targaryen he can get close to dragons, because he & Dany fell in love, she allowed him to ride a dragon, he helped delay attack when could with fire, he & Rhaegal fought the NK, distracting him so Dany could knock him off, everyone was fighting and delaying the NK from just waltzing in; meanwhile Arya was coming into place, fighting, in peril, terrified, being saved, overcoming fear, getting angry, being inspired by Berics sacrifice & red woman. All had to be in place for her to act and all pieces had their part to distract the white walkers and NK so he thought he was safe to enter the Godswood & put himself at risk. Arya MVP!!!
Winterfell is large, but not large enough to hold all of the civilian population that arrived for safety, (no idea how many that would be as they never gave us a hint), 40K Dothraki with horses, 8K Unsullied and probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 6K to 15K personnel in the Army of the North. They all would not fit inside the Castle. SOMEBODY has to stay outside and be the 'shock' troops!
There are things you can nitpick all day about how the episode played out, but you can't criticize the execution.
I think its wrong to say Jon had no purpose. He brought Ice and Fire together, and reunited the entire North. It would have been way too conventional if he had beaten the Night King in some epic battle with a mythic flaming sword, and would not have been in the spirit of the show. The problem with Season Eight is not the plot decisions, it is the terrible execution of them!
What would have happened to the WW plot line had Jon&co not made that stupid decision in S7 to go beyond the wall and Daenerys hadn’t flown to save them? How would the NK have crossed the wall otherwise? Would love to see how GRRM resolves this issue in the books, if at all, seeing how the WW are given much less attention in the books vs the show.
Mike Bordin are they really? That’s interesting to hear because really they weren’t in the show much either as far as overall screentime through the whole series. They were kind of an always looming threat that didn’t seem to matter much in the end. I’ve never read any of the books but I thought they had an even bigger role in the books but I guess it makes sense why they aren’t. It’s always been about the politics and the “game of thrones” rather than the fantastical
jeremy roberts Read awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Others The last mention of the WW (“The Others”) in the books is in a discussion between Jon and Tormund when the wildlings are crossing the wall south. The massacre of Hardhome is a show-only event.
In the books there is a magical horn that supposedly had the power to bring the wall down. It's not mentioned in the show.
Mike Bordin The NKs mark on Bran broke the magic under the Giant Wierwood.
Why wouldn’t the mark also break the magic of the Wall?
P Bilo makes sense
I watch all your reactions videos, - You are still my favorite Eric, because some things bring ters in your eyes even thoug you must have seen the same scenes many times. Can't wait to see Rick reaction to episode 5 and 6!
Giving the writers imtelligence I'd say Bran purpose here was just baiting the night king through their sort of link then get back once it got the NK where he wanted. And that's already giving them alot of credit.
Bran Warged into the Ravens I saw that they flew straight to the Night King in such a manner that on first viewing I thought that Bran was a traitorous mole. But remember when the Night King came for Bran and killed the OG Three Eyed Raven because he could see Bran while warging . So essentially the moment Bran Warged, the Night King knew exactly where Bran was in Winterfell and made the move to siege the castle. Bran was a beacon bascially saying 'I'm here, come at me brah' until NK got to the Godswood then stopped.