Is the iPhone "Illegal?"
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- Опубліковано 6 кві 2024
- The US sued Apple for the iPhone being a monopoly... is the walled garden illegal?
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The weirdest thing is that a load of USA citizens seem to think you're poor if you don't have a iphone. It's such a weird take, however it shows how good you can market to the usa to fleece them from their money.
Not really. It also applies to asian countries.
Yea and tbh they hype if having an iPhone isn’t there I’ve used androids all my life and I got my first iPhone (iPhone 13) 9 months ago and I genuinely don’t see the hype of most the features I’m supposed to “hype” about
Yep I tell people all the time that they are just following trends with no actual reasoning.
Nowadays people are also considering samsunga flagships so, this thinking will be eventually gone
Most USA users do not think this. I use iPhone and I can see why some people would want android.
Speaking as an Australian living in a 50/50 iPhone-Android marketshare, nobody really cares about any of the "features" of iMessage. To us it's just "the text message app".
I don't know why people would want to limit themselves to a text app anyways. Like don't you have friends on Facebook, insta, etc? I mean I'm pretty much 90% done quitting social media, but even I keep them because they're useful to message people. Screw looking at Facebook or insta, but I'd rather that than do text messages.
Same in Europe with 30% market share
Yeah I don't understand the obsession with blue bubbles
Do people use the WhatsApp app a lot in your country?
@Nimisum
People naturally want to feel like they're part of an elite group. No matter how silly it or small it may be
I bought my brother an android for Christmas and he cried. He was 15. Luckily, I included the gift receipt and he returned it for a two year old used iPhone. It blew my mind.
Time to ghost your bro'.
I'd take both the receipt and the phone back and keep my money.
What a waste. Next time keep your money.
Man, I just got the s24 ultra and this thing is top notch 👌 the features are just amazing and I've used android for years, but this last purchase I was actually considering an iPhone. After looking at their internal hardware and ecosystem, I decided there was no way in hell I was gonna sacrifice the better features, hardware, tech, and adjustments that android, specifically the Samsung Galaxy, has. The ONLY other phones I'd consider would be the newest Asus Rog, Think Phone, and maybe the new Moto flip. They had some pretty top notch features and hardware as well, specifically Rog, which I almost did buy.
I wouldn’t cry if someone were to give me a S24 or S23 Ultra but you probably gave him a boost mobile prepaid android phone so I don’t blame him 🤷🏻♂️
7:30 this is so true, I'm currently in highschool and one of my friends recently switched from Samsung to Apple because he wanted the blue bubbles and wanted to be in group chats. When he switched, he also got an apple watch which ties into your other point about the ecosystem.
He is a good man for that.
So based! Good for him. Thankfully he won’t have to put up with Android anymore!
This is exactly where the "broke Android green bubbles" stereotype comes from.. Females.
Women have openly admitted they will refuse a date with men if they have "green text bubbles". 🤦
People who claim this isn't reality are living in their own _bubble._
As someone who switched from android to iPhone in the last year, I do enjoy using iMessage a lot more than the android texting apps. As a graphic designer, I'm willing to pay extra for the outstanding UX/UI that is in Apple products
@@ThunderfallFilmshe literally got an iphone cause of FOMO, not better features which iphones don't have. that's messed up dude.
I'm from India and once I had to explain to my iPhone user friends what iMessage and FaceTime are. They literally had no idea about these features. Literally, nobody cares about iMessage in India.
I can relate, 2 of my friends have an iPhone but they rarely ever use iMessage well because nobody uses cellular messaging and a lot of people think that iMessage is cellular messaging
Exactly none of my friends who own iphones ever uses iMessage 😂
yeah for that whatsapp is the main one for family and now insta for teens
True. Indian here… my friends who use iPhones still have the green bubbles, we literally don’t care as long as there’s WhatsApp.
That's great tbh
All 3 of my kids have iPhones and the wife and I have a S24 Ultra and Pixel Fold. My oldest said that people that don't have iPhones don't have money. Mind you, this is coming from a teenager without a job and a free phone. I immediately told the kids that the phones they have now will be the last iPhones they will ever have unless they buy new ones themselves.
Based.
Yup, that's exactly what the evil leeches at Apple want your kids to think.
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means you are the smart one 😂
great parenting lmao
Choosing a phone based on the messaging app is like buying a car based on the way the horn sounds
That’s a terrible analogy. We’re talking about a cell phone… is primary function is communication. Except modern day society rather text than make a phone call. Therefore, choosing a phone based on its messaging app is closer to buying a car based off of the horsepower it can deliver..
@@FlightBoyKizer yeah no. Any phone can msg, your just mad my analogy is spot on
@@FlightBoyKizerNo sir. I have an iPhone and have never used iMessage or FaceTime and it feels no different from my Samsung except for how it looks.
that's a horrible way to phrase it since a phone's primary is MESSAGING LMAO. By your analogy choosing a car based on the way it drives is a bad thing
@@JoeOf91 it’s obvious you didn’t understand my analogy if that’s what you got from it. Also a phones primary function is not messaging. It’s… wait for it,
Making phone calls
What’s crazy… the fact I literally had the Samsung S24 Ultra for a week and returned it to get my iPhone 13 back. All. Because. Of. iMessage. Everyone within my immediate circle, family AND friends have iPhone. EVERYONE. I had the Apple Watch, TV, iPad, MacBook, but the moment I switch the sheer inconvenience of switching for myself and those that interact around was to hard. Had to switch back. As a Mexican that jumps walls, these walls in the apple garden were too tall my friend.
That's the stupidest reason to switch a phone I've ever seen
Seems to be a country, rather than a phone problem.
@@alcrian8627 you say that, but it's not uncommon. So, what you call stupid is just you not understanding other people. Stupid is a gross oversimplification for what you don't understand, and it's tempting because it makes you smart.
@@kyleyoung1982 No, it's just plain stupid really.
@@alcrian8627 True
From an european persoective this whole blue bubble green bubble discussion is so funny to me. I live in Switzerland and everybody just uses Whatsapp. I‘ve never even used imessage. Most people I know that use an iphone just use it because i‘ts easier or they like the design or ios.
Pakistani here, same thing. I never heard of imessage until i got older and learned about it from netflix lol. We all were viber users and now WhatsApp users
Same here in Asia
Same here in Austria. Never even used iMessage before. And I don’t know anyone actually using it either.
I reckon it‘s the same in Asia with Line.
Here's in Greece it's Messenger, it's still Meta, but looking at this US perspective where iPhone is like a standard is so funny
Same here in Brazil 🇧🇷 Nobody uses iMessage, just WhatsApp.
2 reasons why it's not a monopoly outside US:
1. Whatsapp
2. Price
An iPhone in the US costs less than 1 month of minimum salary, while in countries like Brazil, it costs around 5-10 months salaries.
It is also kind of funny that Whatsapp is from US
I was going to make the same comment, most of the people in the US have no idea how expensive apple products are in Brazil.
But Brazil is a poor country. Y'all are still playing PS2 and PS3.
@@electrikoptik Brazil has the 9th biggest economy in the world, we abandoned ps3 ages ago, most people already have ps4 and most didn't change to ps5 cuz it's not worth yet because there's no games, anyway the reason is because of crazy taxes, when we buy on iphone we pay the price of 2, literally buying one for the government lmao
@@electrikoptik wow you sound like such a swell guy
Speaking as an Indian....where the iPhone is now gaining some market share....a common user of the iphone in india uses whatsapp because almost everyone has a WhatsApp app for messaging, video call, voice call, sharing & storing documents and what not. The only reason people are now buying iPhones in india is Because now every other good phone is in that range and Plus iPhone's update game is really good. For iMessage its a just text message app.
Yup! I too own an iPhone but it will never be the dominant one! It will mostly restrict itself to around 20-30% at best.
And most of the iPhone people are buying are either 1-3 year old & bare basic 128GB models not, even the mid-level, so they are spending more for a lesser product.
Also the Android update game is picking up at a great pace. And the price bracket where people are buying those iPhones, most Android companies give 2-3 yrs of update & most of them switch their device after 3-4 years, not much of a difference.
Apple's philosophy doesn't really match with the majority of Indians & that's a good thing.
This interconnectivity and never feeling like I'm tied down to just one brand is what makes Android so amazing. I can use my OnePlus phone with my sony earphones and my smasung smartwatch and it all just works. At this point I feel that Apple is almost more like a fashion brand that wants to keep you hooked rather than a tech company.
Apart from the US, basically nobody uses SMS or RCS anymore.
WhatsApp, Messenger, Telegram, Signal etc come to mind before even considering sending a SMS/RCS.
This is probably because, (at least in my country) SMS messages are limited while WhatsApp and the others use Wi-Fi or Mobile Data, which are basically unlimited.
The only time I personally use RCS is when I receive automatic texts from companies or when I can't connect to the internet.
We use SMS when we can't decide which other messaging system to use. I suggest Signal, Telegram or RCS; others suggest Messenger or WhatsApp. It is good as a common basis.
BTW, RCS does not work without internet connection. So you almost certainly don't get RCS messages when you can't connect to the internet. You probably get SMS messages then.
Honestly it’s confusing text messages is so much more expensive.. I can get unlimited WhatsApp for 25 naira that’s less than 1 cents sooo why not whatsapp
You SMS. RCS needs the internet.
No one outside of the US knows, uses or cares about RCS.
Norway use sms/ iMessage, snap, messenger
And watchapp or other apps if you have family or something in other countries
the fact that USA citizen can't download a single chat app and keep saying blue bubble vs green bubble, blows my mind
you download all your other apps, whats so different of downloading another chat app that is more universal for everyone else
At least WhatsApp ist just better that iMessage …
What happens if you have two people that are using different apps?…one is using WhatsApp and the other is using a similar, but different app.
Just curious if that ever happens and how do they message one another?
@@mariussignorello exactly
because a new chat app comes out every five minutes. one day its aol, then the next day everyone switches to yahoo. then it's google, then now everyone has blackberrys and they are using blackberry messenger, then its facebook, then everyone just gave up and everyone has "generic text messaging" on their phone as a default anyway let's just use that. The USA is not "A" place. it is a microcosm of dozens of local cultures that work independently and it is not likely that the entirety of the population will agree on a communication app. And then if they did ... IS that communication a monopoly? What kind of Walled garden would that communication app put up such as hailing a taxi , or ordering food, or paying your bills ... I'm not a lawyer maybe Apple is a monopoly ... maybe they are not one this is a lawsuit that will take years to resolve. One thing that lawmakers can do today is put pressure on wireless carriers to make the default text messaging more robust, to essentially make Imessage redundant in the first place.
@@BassRacerx two reasons
Other apps allow crossapp integration
Apple doesn't allow other apps and other devices to utilize iphone to the fullest, only apple products can do that
Which is the monopoly problem in this case. It's not that everyone else' product is just shit compared to apple, it's that apple prevents others from reaching their audience.
6:03 Not Timmy's evil laugh💀
So gay Tim can steal your data instead,
We chat emplyoyee: hmm write that down. Make a phone and gate keep
Ironically, the "walled garden" is the reason I will never buy an Apple product...
Same
Cool
The walled garden is almost as bad on Windows or Android these days.
I just get the product that is easiest to work with, doesn't have weird errors or malfunction and allows me to get stuff done.
Same
I like the freedom and independence! Isn't that's what America was all about? :O xD!!! I do have both iPhone 14 Pro Max and Samsung S23 Ultra and the S23 is like a 1 device that acts as an equivalent all 3 iPhone + iPad + a base model of a iMac. So the iPhone is basically my cheap camera cause the Sony Cameras a re 4x 5x the price of an iPhone and I am no pro xD!!!
I was dying at Marques tossing the phones behind him and having another ready within a second. 🤣
but no proof they survived the tosses 😅
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@@skodaroomster8124 12:25
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@@skodaroomster8124exactly I need it
Just to note, the first Android Wear watches did try to support iOS devices from the beginning, noting the limitations available since Apple wouldn't allow it to tap into the walled garden. I remember trying this out with a Moto 360 and it was a super limited experience. They eventually just gave up and future versions stopped trying.
Not mentioning this in the video was a bit of a blunder...
Exactly. Dumb ppl like to say "but samsung and google do the same thing" without noting that its apples fault bc they block it on their end.
Also it's important to point out that Android watches work with ANY android device, so the argument is really not the same as the Apple Watch. This means there's not just 1 company holding the monopoly over the ecosystem - anyone can be a part of it. There's various brands of watches and switching between those is seamless and non-restrictive. Apple is the one that doesn't like open source and wants to block compatibility.
@@MartinodFExactly. He omitted a lot of context in order to favor Apple.
@@spriteqcx0Yup! Also we have AOSP(Android Open Source Project) anyone is able to custom make their own Android/Version OS & yet be compatible with Android.
In Nigeria, having an iPhone means you are rich, so many people only buy an iPhone even if they dont use up to 20% of the real features. Especially girls. One time, my friends were laughing at me for using samsung. They say I am an android guy. I had the s22+. Then they called a girl and asked her to choose between the iPhone 7+ or my s22+. She picked 7+. I joined my friends laughing. Was actually laughing at her lack of understanding.
😂 bro same here in Ghana my bestie chose iphone x with no face ID over a brand new S23
As a developer, I hate Apple with a burning passion. Their walled garden makes it incredibly difficult and expensive to even try to export to the Apple market from any device they don't make. I think their entire business model is anti-consumer, which is ironic because the thing they tout the most is consumer approachability in their UX and product integrations.
That’s odd. Because “as a film composer and content creator, and prosumer” I need the walled garden for my workflow to work. Unfortunately no other company or group of companies bother to step up and match that level of integration and seamless workflow with their own apps and development. Imo, Apple is the only hardware/software company that provides the goods and services that my industry and my workflow demand.
User may approach, but he may never leave. User is trapped inside.
@@jannikheidemann3805 Happily. Because it’s done right.
@@TheSteveSteeleto each their own. I went from a flagship samsung and tried apple and now im stuck with a newer iPhone that i hate.
@@TheSteveSteeleWithout a developer, not possible. You are not understanding his point & what you presented is not an argument compatible with his OG argument!
As someone living in South Africa, one of the main reasons why Apple is not a monopoly in some countries is because it's too expensive. It's exactly because of this that owning an iPhone or apple products is a status symbol in many countries
Mobicel users 😂
XIAOMI: hold our Tsingtao 🍻🍺
Not a status symbol, a symbol of the tech illiterate.
Wrong. It's not because it's expensive. Tractors are expensive and are not a status symbol.
Apple is a status symbol because it has positioned its brand as a luxury brand and marketed it as such. And because people are DU MB AF!
@@costafilh0 Xiaomi has positioned itself as a CHEAPer Version of 🍏 It even sells its Smartphones as Affordable 🍎 Counterparts
I live in England and I can confirm growing up through my teenage years people were elitist with Apple being the only good phone product. I owned Samsung for most of my life and I felt pressured in a way to switch. People would make jokes that an Android phone was a phone for drug dealing.
Apple is the _ne_ _plus_ _ultra_ of consumer electronics. The rest don’t matter.
It still has that image in the U.S tbh
Probably their personal phone is an iPhone 😜
If you live in places like Cambodia, India, Philippines, Basically any asian countries, You will see a lot of teenagers using Android Phones more than iPhones and all they care about is powerful specs for gaming, They don't care about brand image like people in the US and UK
Most of the dealers I know in the US use iphone
Android user in Asia here. The biggest reason I'm not an iPhone user is because of this eco system. I want my freedom of choice when it comes to techs and gadgets thanks.
Speaking from a brazilian perspective, it’s a pretty simple answer for “why apple doesn’t have higher market share”: Price. Most people here would choose an iPhone if they could, but is so unbelievably expensive for brazilian standards that most of them can’t afford it.
For reference, the iPhone 15 Pro costs here R$ 9.2k, which is equivalent to barely 7x of our minimum wage.
There’s some jokes about how is cheapier flying to Miami and buying there than buying here.
Obviously we don’t know how it would be if it was cheaper, but I’d certainly say that the MS would be much higher and probably dominant here too.
I completely disagree. We have similar cases for Samsung, which costs around the same as an iPhone (10k for S24U). Heck, I paid 13k for my Fold. The thing is: stupid people like to brag about their expensive stuff, specially Brazilians. And even though these phones are expensive, Apple's market share is still way smaller than other companies.
@@alcrian8627Thats not entirely accurate. Yes, samsung and other flagship phones can be just as expensive, however you are not considering that outside Apple, most of the other brands have cheaper options, and those are extremely popular in Brazil.
Apple doesn’t, unless you consider buying an used phone from somebody else as an option.
The way that Apple portfolio works here doesn’t give brazilian customers cheaper options, if you take a look on the cheaper iphone currently on apple store is the iPhone SE for R$ 4.2k, which is also very expensive phone for most people here.
And as I said, yes, we can’t tell for sure that if the prices were more affordable that would mean MS dominance, however, if we look at the market share for those in Brazil that CAN buy an iPhone, it’s pretty safe to bet that we would see the same behaviour in a larger scale.
Two of my worlds are colliding here! I am an EU/French Antitrust lawyer and the EU has been searching into the practices of Apple for a long time now. I’ll send this video to my students, as I want their take on the ideas that you mention in this video. This is indeed all very complicated but props to you Marques for speaking so eloquently about this. Very interesting!
What's your general feeling about what could happen to Apple
Eh I wouldn't say eloquently. His explanation wasn't adequate. However his effort was good.
@@kcopara1shut up
Never met such a accomplished person in youtube comment. I sincerely hope you succeed in your mission in life.
Could you reply to my comment with a summerized version of what your students' takes were? (Once they have replied of course) Thanks in advance!
Ever since i came to usa like 2 years ago, i literally NEVER understood the iPhone obsession. I own an s23 ultra and some girls in my school come up to me to tell me im poor while they're rocking their iPhone 8
This right here.
😂😂😂😂 I notice this in Jamaica too. Flexing an IPhone and they don’t even have the latest.
I havent missed that part of school for a second.
Hate the fact that iphone has a reputation like that in country’s like the US.
Just whip your stylus out on em and show them your harry potter style magic tricks.
*waves hand around*
"Oh look at this, I can go back to my home screen remotely."
"Just buy her an Iphone" sounded exactly like "Give them cake" to me lmao
No, it’s of you want what iPhone offers buy iPhone.
@@MultiTacs i also want the "features of an iphone" but in my country if i wanna buy the base model 15, ill have to save for 2 yrs 😭. It sounded similar to me on the basis of them being tone deaf that's all.
@@Ionknowman.Basically Cook is saying he isn't gonna spend time and money to make something work, when the users can just buy the devices to get the feature they want that is already on the device
You don't have to buy the base 15 or even any new iPhones, the whole point of iPhones is that they last long, this is one of the philosophy of Steve Jobs, you can literally get the iPhone 11 and still get 90% of the features of the iPhone 15, Apple offers up to 6-7 years of OS support and 2-3 more years of security updates, i.e. the iPhone 7-8 are still supported for a few more years of security updates
Basically, if you buy an iPhone 11 for example, you can use it for another 2-3 years, assuming it doesn't get iOS 18 this year. Then you can decide to upgrade to the latest one if you can afford it or upgrade to a slightly older one, by then the iPhone 15 would be much cheaper too
@@haruyanto8085 And do you think that's good? The fact that older gen iPhones have the same functionality as new ones with just an increased price tag? iSheeps are something else, istg
Most evil thing he could've said and he said it openly
Wechat example was so good. makes so much sense
What's SO weird to me as a non-American teen is the almost cult-like following Apple has amongst people my age in the US. Is it that their parents "just buy them an iPhone", like Cook said? Is it that the teens refuse to use any other phone apart from an iPhone? Why?? Why the over-reliance on iMessage? What's stopping people from going to the App Store and downloading a free app so that they can talk to their friends? I can't imagine just...refusing to speak to someone just because they have something different from me. Why is this so common in the US and almost non-existent everywhere else?
Idk man. Phone racism is one of the weirdest and most alarming things that I've ever heard of. I'm genuinely scared what this means for the future, when people indoctrinated on Apple grow up and get spending power.
It's somewhat of a feedback loop because kids will be ostracized and bullied if they don't have an iPhone. They ask their parents for an iPhone because they'll get made fun of if they get something else
Cause the iPhone is American, why would they choose other products beside their home grown companies?
In regards to the messaging app thing, having seen this in school, it is genuinely a case of most people being too lazy/uninterested to even consider using an app that isnt built in. That, and a surprising amount of people my age aren’t aware of the existence of apps beside instagram and snapchat, so trying to get any amount of people to use anything else is basically impossible. The people who have never even looked in the settings of their phone will never use third party anything.
Mid 20s EU-Citizen here.
It really is weird.
I use an iPhone for various reasons (mainly smart home stuff) but I’m pretty open for other devices as well and might switch when matter finally takes of.
And here it’s fine. I’m mostly using Signal and Discord for my communication. Half of my friends have Android phones and we’re all good. Basically everyone I spoke to in my life so far does not care about the phone. It’s the simple question of: WhatsApp, or Discord?
Of course I met people that say the moment I get my phone out: „Eww you’re using an iPhone? What’s wrong with you, everyone knows iPhones suck“ to what I respond: „Why do you care about my choice of phone?! And when it’s so bad why would I care to use one?!“ That shuts up most people.
I also experienced the other way around when I was using an Android phone.
It’s just stupid. Let people use what they like and move on. I seriously don’t get why people get so upset over a friends choice of phone.
We all have our preferences and needs and buy devices that fit these needs. And when my application requires an iPhone to work properly, I’m gonna use an iPhone.
@@haruyanto8085 both google & android are also from usa
I'm from the us, and as a youth, I definitely see how dominant iPhone is in our population. One huge thing that I have a problem with as an android user is imessage group chats. Because imessage group chats have so many features that are compromised with an android, I am not allowed to join many of my sport and work group chats because the group chat is an imessage group chat, and I have an android. Not only do the people using imessage not want to give up their blue bubble, but the iPhones won't even let them add an android user to the group chat without creating a whole new chat.
my work chats on my android are a mess. every time we need to add or remove a new coworker we've got to make an entirely new chat. sometimes a coworker will talk in one chat and someone else will respond in another. so frustrating
Go you for not being afraid to be different. Apple ain’t all that, and I always think their greed will catch up to them sooner or later
I understand- I use a pixel and I am in middle school and people DO care too much. The “you have an android?!” gets exasperating after a while
They have no problems adding the Google Assistant or You Tube!
Where would they be without Them!?
Why not just use WhatsApp?
Loving the Logic Instrumental!
I love Marques how he tells the latest info and his opinion about tech stuff to me. Stay true!
that slow zoom while talking about how the walls are closing is a nice subtle touch, shout out to the editors.
at what time?
@@capyslay_guobaAround 9:10 to 9:28 ish
Marques is the only editor of this channel. It’s the one thing he will never allow someone else to do.
@@MylesKillisthat's just blatantly wrong
Bhadiya thik
Sure, don't bring iMessage to Android - but at least support RCS. It's a global standard now, like USB C
Edit: Everyone is telling me they use WhatsApp outside US... Yes, me too, but texting will always be a thing people use
The global standard is whatsapp. Nobody use sms/imessage outside usa
They will be supporting RCS
@@Signodeexclamacion-di2eb Whatsapp is not a standard, it is a proprietary app owned by Meta. I would not trust Apple nor Meta my personal data.
@@Unknown1243 support is different from global standard
Or allow competing messaging apps to replace Apples Messages app if the user chooses.
I'm a sucker for the analogies!! Brilliant!
Thumbs up for the logic track in the background
One thing to mention: Apple products can get crazy expensive in some countries, like Brazil, and we are a big market. And it's wild: In the US, both the base Galaxy S23 and the base iPhone 15 came with a $799 price tag. Here the the S23 costs around HALF the iPhone 15 price. Or the fact that here I can buy 3 Galaxy Buds for the price of just 1 Airpods. It literally is a luxury company for us. So here, Apple is much more a status symbol than anything else. I still see the iPhone 6, 7, 8 commonly around here, 'cause the newer ones are so expensive that people simply can't buy, but people will not give up on the status of having an Apple product. And Apple goes miles here to sustain that position: the first official Apple Store that opened in Brazil, opened in the most luxurious mall in Rio, next to the most luxurious fashion brands. It's insane.
Or like in Poland few years back, that base iPhone cost 2-3 times the minimum monthly wage. Good luck with saving for a year just to have a phone., it'll never be like in the US with 90% market share just for that reason.
Back when I first started using Samsung, this was true in the US too. The Galaxy lineup had features and specs that the iPhone wouldn't have for another 2 or 3 years and was still roughly half the price of the iPhone.
Today, the prices are pretty much the same. Samsung still generally has better specs, but the prices have caught up as it became known as pretty much being the top of the line Android in the US.
As a brazilian myself, I can confirm this pathetic reality.
Nothing like paying 2x the price because of taxes.
And, hilariously, 99% of the people here thinks they're getting a completely superior device over your Galaxy S23+.
Ignorance can certainly be bliss sometimes...
@@michawnuk8114 In Brazil, the iPhone 15 pro Max costs practically 10x the minimum wage...
FAX
iPhone started in the US and had a deal with AT&T, creating a nice lock-in for Apple. Over time a lot of users got used to using Messages and the rest of the ecosystem.
In the meantime in Europe WhatsApp became very popular and cellular companies were pushing a lot of different brands of phones.
That's the case on Brazil too.
Yeah pretty much, the monopoly isn't Apple, but the US carriers
Hmmm. From the start of the video: the lenses between Sony and Canon can be adapted to some extent, and the headphones that were shown can be used with other branded cables that have the right connector. Those examples arent fully walled off in the same way that the watch is entirely incompatible with another phone brand
Just to add a couple of things to the China example that weren't mentioned in the video because of its intended scope; as someone who's lived in China for 17+ years:
1. If you've paid any attention to the news within the past 5 years or so, the media always brings up the various stipulations of moving into the massive, alluring Chinese market; most notable of which is requiring foreign companies to pick and choose at least one Chinese company to partner and SHARE TECH AND INFORMATION with. This has always been true and can be very prohibitive to many companies that have reservations about sharing their patented technologies and/or processes.
2. This ties into the above point, but once tech is shared with a Chinese company and/or new upcoming tech is revealed to the worldwide web, especially in the smartphone industry, it tends to spread like wildfire across the Chinese side of the industry and takes very little time doing so. When iPhone X was first unveiled, it took at most 2 days and less than a week for EVERY SINGLE Chinese smartphone company to debut their Android, iPhone-look-alike smartphones with very similar capabilities.
Marques is absolutely correct when he says that super-apps like Wechat are what make choice of phone OS ecosystems and brands trival in markets like China, but such trivialities can also result from other factors that we should all at the very least be aware of.
Who's watching on an Android?
Here 👋
Here 🫱🏾🫲🏻
Just about everyone probably. As this is primarily an Android channel and Android is a far superior OS.
Can't stand iOS.
The playing field has levelled slightly in recent times but Android is still better
@@the_kingd0mno need for tears bro it’s just software
pixel 3 and still kicking
On the examples at the beginning:
The sony e mount is an open standard from sony, so any lens manufacturer can make a lens that mounts to it without paying sony fees or licensing.
The headphone connector you showed looked like a 2 pin 0.75mm or 0.78mm plug, not a proprietary connector. While not a specific ppen standard, it is just copper contacts that any cable can attach to, no restrictions imposed by the cable or earpiece manufacturer.
The apple watch on the other hand is programmatically restriced in its software from pairing with anything except the iPhone, despite using an open standard (Bluetooth & WiFi) to connect, that is the difference
What a isheep
I think he several times conflated the issues of apple the company and apple the ecosystem in his examples with Google. You can take you google watch and use it with any other Android phone - you have a ton of options about what company you purchase you phone from. You aren't locked into one company.
Thank you for pointing it out. It's funny how Marques somehow finds ways to say Apple isn't so bad.
true about Sony. but look at cannon :)
@georgivasilev3417 i am not aware of this, will it be an issue for me when choosing which camera ecosystem to follow? Thanks for the info
Very good topic, man.
You're brave enough to bring about this on your channel.
Thanks for that.
Iphone Pro/Pro Max model display parts become consumer parts now, most of that will failure after about 14-18 months (just appear problem out of warranty) that cost USD $350 to repair/replace the display unit to solve the no display issue, or user pay 50% cost to extend a year warranty, however the new parts may live for another 14-18months user have to pay additional cost for using the phone for 2nd or 3rd year or later on.
Let search 'iphone pro white screen issue' as key word to get more detail before buy a iphone.
As always, I am very grateful to Marques for being one of few globally recognized content creators acknowledging that there are also people living outside of the US 🎉
There's people living where? Is that another planet?
@@madhououinkyomai think he’s just lying don’t worry about it
Yo this is the realest analogy. I use to work in a cell phone store and I am a huge android person. I had someone who wanted more utility, flexibility, innovative systems. I recommended the an Android device at the time that fit all what they were looking for. The very next question "does it work with airpords or apple watch?" I then knew it was a no go and shifted to iPhone. They could not break out of the ecosystem.
Android does with with airpods. They work honestly perfectly fine. I use Sony WH-1000MX5 headphones and airpod pros gen-1, they both work equally well.
They designed Airpods and Apple Watch very well too. They should be awarded for it, and they are being awarded by user retention. What’s wrong with that?
@@ahmetemreboyaci what's wrong, is that if a company makes something sooo good and sooo innovative, then they should have the confidence to say like "hey, check this out, isn't this cool, feel free to check out everything else, but eventually, ur gonna come back to use cuz we're the best"
But instead the company goes, "hey we got this new thing, that no one ever has made, check it out... But we're gonna make it sooo hard for u to try anything else so that u can compare if it's still the best..."
Also, just for info sake, even comparing the power of an android chip, and an iPhone chip is becoming sooooo difficult that Test companies like Geekbench are admitting that their score now won't even be accurate because apple doesn't allow their tests to be run for a fair comparison...
It's really good that they made the best phone, the best ipods, the best watch, the best everything... But if it IS the best, then let us see for ourselves right??? Imagine Bugatti or Rolls Royce making u sign a contract demanding a special license that only let's u drive their cars and disallows u from driving anything else...
Last point I could make, is that suppose a guy only wants the best camera setup as his smartphone... He would go for the Sony... (Imagine he REALLY wants the DSLR integration feature, and wants to connect his Camera and Phone as one) But he also wants a good watch... But can't use the Apple watch... Also he needs some good buds... But can't use the IPods... (I mean he technically can, but if the features that make these gadgets THE BEST aren't available to him anymore, then what's the point??)
Also his phone wont seamlessly integrate with his laptop (it by default is a Macbook as it has the best battery to performance right now) So he can't also use half of the features of his Macbook just because he doesn't have an IPhone...
I really hope u see some clarity here...
@@benjackson6260 you ARE free to check them out. But Apple doesn’t have to go out of their way to make Apple Watch, Airpods, etc compatible with a billion different types of Androids. People choose those devices because of their tight integration with iPhone, and since they are well designed as well, people don’t want to leave them.
@@benjackson6260 also Apple Watch is Apple Watch BECAUSE of its tight integration with iPhone. Most Android watches don’t even compete with Apple Watch because they have to support a billion different types of phones, different types of default messaging apps, different types of fitness apps, etc etc. I don’t want to deal with that. I’m paying a premium not to deal with that. Noone caressss, Android world is just too lazy to compete with Apple’s products so now they’re just attacking them for their success
More of these please
12:50 🤦 I'm happy I'm not alone in this scenario
The social psychology of owning an iPhone vs Android is fansinating. I'm well into my 30s and have had a cell phone in one form or another for over 20 years yet never owned an iPhone. Currently rocking a Pixel 6 and maybe will upgrade this year to the 9 but don't need to as it still works flawlessly. I'm in a group chat with old college friends and one of them trolls us Android users about making the bubbles green and hints that we are poor/broke because don't have an iPhone. I make good money working in Software and could've easily had every iPhone over the years without breaking the bank. I'm just a Windows/Android guy and also into PC gaming so the ecosystem makes sense to me. Some people eat the marketing up like chocolate cake.
It's funny how you deride the iPhone guy, only to close your "logic" by saying you like the Pc/Windows/Android ecosystem...which is EXACTLY why iPhone users like their iPhones..the closed garden ecosystem. For an IT guy you don't seem very bright 😂
youre not funny lil bro@@SpaghettiKillah
@@SpaghettiKillah iPhone users like you are the PlayStation fanboys of tech. Have fun being annoying.
@@SpaghettiKillah LOL did we read the same comment? He never de-rode the iPhone guy. He never compared their money with his money, he literally only talked about his own salary.
It’s funny how you pre-judged the whole thing and took the time out to blame him for something he never did. On top of that YOU tried to deride him by calling him “not so bright” when in fact you are the one lacking in reading comprehension.
@@valkiron11at least they got Spider-Man :(
The difference is that if the pixel watch will work with any of the android manufacturers while Apple is just Apple.
Just yesterday I paired my Samsung Galaxy Watch with my new Pixel phone.
Yes because Android is owned by Google and Google owns Pixel, do you understand now?
iOS is owned by Apple, therefore Apple watches will work with any Apple devices
While Pixel watches also work with Apple, but that's cause Google works with Apple to make some of their devices work together. While Samsung watches DO NOT work with Apple devices.
Is Apple being Anti-Market now?
@@haruyanto8085 There's somethings with the Samsung Buds 2 Pro that only work well with Samsung phones, I dont see anyone complaining about that.
Android is Open source and not owned by Google…
@@haruyanto8085the Apple Watch works on android devices you just don’t get all the features. Same with the pixel watch, it works on iPhone but you don’t get any of the features
Funny watching this and his whole background is full of Apple products. Love this guy! Awesome Tech. Guru!
Vertical integration is not about locking you to a cable, it is the sum of parts that you manufacture yourself without outsourcing or buying from other companies. Commodore made e.g. it's own chips, so the C64 was vertically integrated. But that does not mean that you have to use a specifical Commodore cable.
Microsoft got sued for monopoly practices for basically shipping windows with their internet browser and making it default one. What Apple is doing goes WAY over that.
There’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that the plaintiffs won that suit, unless you are leaving out some crucial details.
@@yourwifesboyfriend6081 It was a very long time ago, and they *absolutely* won that suit because tech illiteracy was even more ridiculous back then.
Not just that. They also told Dell (and other PC manufacturers) that if Dell wanted to ship machines with Linux on them, they'd STILL have to pay for Windows licenses on those machines. You're vastly oversimplifying how badly Microsoft was abusing its monopoly position.
@@JanGoh-jb5ge just read the wiki article. The suit was just for the Internet browser. I am not arguing about the other stuff they did, they did do them. But this suit was just about the browser.
@@Zalian You’re right. The wiki page reads as if users couldn’t install other browsers, which would definitely fall within antitrust laws. I was just a few years old then, so I don’t remember if that was the case. Another issue I could see is if manufacturers wanted to install other browsers, but MS was prohibiting them from doing so, but even that could open a can worms. In that case, Apple isn’t comparable because they’re their sole manufacturer.
What continually is left out of this narrative is that the "messages" app was normal texting when the iPhone launched, and until iOS 5. At that point they hijacked normal texting (which by and large had become unlimited at that point) and layered on iMessage basically without consent.
Many people weren't even aware this had occurred. I've heard from multiple people who'd switch from iOS to Android, where messages to the person who switched would never be delivered. Causing the switcher to unknowingly ghost their Apple friends. This was a very real problem that eventually they remedied, but it speaks to how the public at large wasn't even fully aware of the switchover.
This is actually still happening. It's like iMessage locks your phone number to their ecosystem, and texts won't be sent to the person's new phone
@@AbstractWerks Right, and you CAN unpair it, but frequently people are not aware what's going on.
I was going to the comments to point this out, but you described it perfectly. The problem really is the default messaging system we rely on was placed as a 2nd priority to iMessage and it grew into what it is today. While you can deregister your phone number from iMessage (which requires you to know this), it doesn't allow users to turn off iMessages entirely.
I've personally experienced converting from iPhone to Android and not being able to message previous groups properly with what was once iMessage-only groups. I can send texts that are received by others, which they see as SMS/MMS, but I can't receive from any of the groups. Messages sent from the group are still only for iMessage receivers and I get completely left out. Only remedy I've found to this is for every iMessage user in that group to delete the thread so it can recreate as non-iMessage, which is awful. Compound that with any iMessage group I was once a part of and all those users have to delete the threads too. I've just decided its best to not even bug everyone and ask them to individually message me. There should have been an option for group messaging to turn off iMessage from the beginning.
the thing about this is imsg works with just an email, no phone number needed. when messaging the people who switched, you have to make sure youre texting the phone number and not the email
on my jailbroken iphone 3g there was an app called bitesms which is pretty much what imessage is today but worked on both apple (jailbroken) and android
Great video, this is really the kind of content the industry needs, a pity that it looks like you're the only big one doing it
Unfortunately also Samsung and other companies do the same thing. I was thinking of buying one of the Samsung watches but unfortunately, when reading the details of the watch’s specifications, it became clear to me that some features such as sensors, do not work unless you have an Android phone!!
"You can check out any time you like... but you can NEVER leave!"
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That's just gold my friend
*laughs in offline backups and offline media files stored in dedicated external storage*
>phone no unlocked bootloader
*”We can alter that agreement that I can either ‘check’ you out the window or you will unlock all of your functionality to me, including that proprietary bootloader. Pray I don’t alter the agreement any further, because I can and have nothing to lose doing it.”* Except perhaps a nearly useless piece of ewaste paperweight.
RIP X ❤
i find it almost hilarious how big the green bubble debate in the US is, for me in germany i dont think i know a single person using imessage, everyone just uses a 3rd party software like Whatsapp
It's kind of like if someone insists on using Skype to message you in Germany instead of using Whatsapp. Then all of you Whatsapp users will make grief to him/her for not using Whatsapp, it's like that here.
Same here in Ireland, I’ve owned almost every iPhone, I don’t even remember the last time I sent an iMessage! I don’t even have the default message app on my home screen. Most of my friends have iPhones, but we use WhatsApp for the most part or other 3rd party apps, never iMessage.
I live in Belgium, and as long as i can remember, and as long as Whatsapp has existed, my friends and family all use whatsapp to message or even call eachother. Even my boss uses whatsapp to send pictures and info.
I'm so confused about all these blue and green bubbles, i barely even touched the standard messaging app on my phones in the last 10-15 years.
I use WhatsApp and iMessage daily. iMessage is by far and away the better experience.
your imessage in Germany is WhatsApp. the app itself is irrelevant, what matters is what everyone around you is use. Just so happens to be iMessage in America
Marques I think the other manufacturers just need to up their own game I believe, I am an iPhone user but I also love the one plus open cos it’s not got junk apps installed and built better than Samsungs fold( can’t text with it closed)
Not illegal.
Unethical? Maybe.
I believe they are protecting their business’ longevity.
I love your videos.
If you remember Windows and Internet Explorer (RIP, weirdly), the Windows monopoly wasn't "illegal", but using it to kick Netscape was a problem for the DOJ
Completely misunderstanding the difference and comparing two market approaches that don’t correlate.
No it was super illegal in the EU. They had to make versions of XP where they hid Explorer being baked-in.
@@iseptimussince I've seen this analogy pop up in a lot of places, from a lot of ppl I respect, I think it does hold value.
Bruh if you want to defend apple then be ready when the market would be 99% iPhone and you might be paying $3500 for an iPhone se. 👍
@@iseptimusestás equivocado. Es una analogía completamente válida y correcta.
Using iMessage is as American as measuring temperature in Fahrenheit or distance in feet/yard/thumbs/knobs.
The rest of the world is like: why? 🤔
Pretty simple. Imagine Europe. Now imagine all of the European countries fall under the same country code. Why in the world would I need to use a 3rd party app that spies on me to communicate to close people? Americans never needed a 3rd party app to communicate to each other in the first place so the eco system didn't catch on as much as Europe. And Apple made it so that their users didn't have to necessarily install those apps. After 15+ years of not improving their text function, Android finally implemented a similar system to Apple and is now crying foul that it's not compatible. GTFO.
@@jhpjhun That's a cool story but why are you crying?
@@jhpjhun But you trust apple to manage all your iMessage data just because?
"GTFO"? Butthurt that someone doesnt like the same multibillion dollar company as you do? lmao
@@jhpjhun "Americans never needed a 3rd party app to communicate to each other in the first place..." Have you heard about NSA warrantless surveillance. Americans definitely needed a well encrypted communication service. L comment.
its only iMessage.
I tell you it is not as popular in other countries= export costs. I live in Portugal and an iPhone base model costs more than minimum wage, around 900€/1000€. So people get really discouraged and opt for mid range samsungs or other cheaper brands around 400€ or something.
2:09 what missed opportunity to use the Apple Campus to visualize the walled garden. Quite literally lol
Apple's ecosystem indeed appears more like a vault these days. Companies should focus on innovation over monopoly. Competition fosters growth and it would certainly be exciting to see direct competition amongst tech giants based purely on innovation.
Apple has introduced M series chip, Vision Pro and many innovations in Mac like Dynamic Cache and game porting tools that takes games in weeks instead of months from windows to mac...
If a software feature with IP is deemed to be functional on other devices they could do something like lowering the years on the patent. What you’re saying is true but if I can’t be the sole proprietor of something for at least some time to reap the rewards I have less incentive to innovate
capitalism naturally leads to anti competitive behavior. it is thousands of times more profitable to prevent competition than it is to actually invest in it.
@@PSy84 for apple haters nothing apple does is valid. Apple is one of the most innovative companies on the planet...but it is never enough for some people because they are only looking for something to hate about apple
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Mad props for leaving the ad for the end of the video. Also it was natural and didn't feel like you were really selling me anything. Perfect partnership.
May i know what the ad is about, mine ad part got skipped
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This is such a weird comment lol
eye for detail 100% - as soon as he says I'm linking the video below: the like button lights up.
As someone who had a Galaxy Watch for over 2 years, and switched from a Xiaomi to a Samsung phone half way through, I had a similar experience. Integrating the samsung watch with the Xiaomi phone was just not the same.
It is one thing if you make a thing work with your thing, it is another story if you prevent someone else from doing the same.
Except why let another company benefit from your work making that thing?
@@wkbdgeorge Not being a massive hypocrite. Apple has never used any technology made by anyone else.
Or if you deliberately go out of your way to make the experience worse for people who try to interact with your user base.
@@MegaLokopo Except they have, and also got sued for it lmao
@@theymonrly, What tech was that? Genuinely curious. I mean they usually just buy startups with good ideas and make it their own.
It’s indeed like Canon lenses only working with Canon cameras. If Canon had 60% market share, it broke your lenses if you used an adapter, banned all adapters from other vendors, made it so photos taken with other cameras cannot be printed on Canon printers and if you had another printer your Canon camera would only print at 20dpi. That is indeed illegal.
Yeah I like Marques but feels like he's lost in the weeds on this one. The issue isn't that apple makes good products that work with their phones, it's that they so actively disallow others from making a competing product because they own most of the market that product would be used with. No one can make a competitor to say the apple watch because apple won't let it work on their phones
Well not illegal, nobody would just buy Canon and they would go out of business. Nikon at this point is very protective of Z-mount. No Sigma art lenses for Z-mount. is that illegal or just protecting its own business.
@@ValtersPelns if they would do it with 60% market share that would be illegal and actually exactly why anti trust laws exist. They would not go out of business with that market share, your assumption that nobody would buy their products is clearly disproved by reality. We had monopolies and anticompetitive behavior exhibits from many companies, Apple is just one of the many.
@@stereodark Well, costumers vote with their wallets. If being locked is okey, then they buy in. 🤷 Legal, illegal thats on countrys law shoulders. As long companies are not talking internally about pricing agreements I am fine with it.
@@stereodark Apple has been doing this since its inception. Steve Jobs didn't want any customer or competitor tinkering with Apple products from the very first Apple I. It strikes me as unfair that you can execute your vision, but when you're successful with that vision (i.e. 60% market share), you're suddenly doing something illegal, and you're forced to change.
Apple is a monopoly in Switzerland. I swear, since 2007, every other device there is an Apple. Even in the public sector. No cap. They _love_ Apple. As if other tech companies don’t exist.
The only reason I have an iPhone is for iMessage. My entire family uses iPhones and I learned really quickly when I got my first android that texting images or videos is not possible.
So I switched back. It wasn’t that much of a big deal, I didn’t find Android gave me things I found mandatory. But switching back the contacts and stuff was annoying.
the intro confuses me, I don't think vertical integration has anything to do with incompatibility with other brands. isn't it just when a company has control over it's own supply chain and manufacturing from top to bottom?
Same thought here
I was thinking that too, but maybe the term can be used in a few different ways. I suppose in the case of the earbuds for example they're vertically integrated in that they only work with each other. If they were horizontally integrated the company could buy generic tips to pair with the earbuds, but since they've designed them to be unique they're the only people who can legally make them.
Yeah this guy just doesnt know what vertical integration is
@GarryDeWitt You are correct, his examples of vertical integration are 100% wrong. What he is describing is a proprietary product ecosystem. Vertical integration would involve you taking control of different stages of the production or distribution processes within the industry. For example, if you made a camera lens, and also owned the glass company that manufactured the glass for your lenses.
Exactly, also means that they have control over their software and hardware so that it works efficiently. In this case apple has vertical integration yes, but that's not the problem, vertical integration is just a feature, something they have that they use to lock people in the ecosystem, so it becomes hard for them to leave the iPhone.
I'm a teacher and really like to share documents with bluetooth. The fact that you need some kind of trick like whatsapp, cloud storage or email attachment to send a document from an apple device to an android device is a big nightmare. In my humble opinion, this is such a basic functionality that the government has to step in and regulate it. Companies should serve the common good, or at least not hinder it. Else there is no reason for them to exist.
There is an app that is open source /platform agnostic called local send. As long as your on the same WiFi network.
That's nice, but Bluetooth only works when you're near each other and in such a case it's easier to find a solution than when you're far away.
@@zorgish4439 yes but bluetooth is built into the damn phone.
Theres whatsapp too, but americans dont use it do they?
You'd hear people complaining that they dont want to download one more app to chat.......except if its messenger or snapchat that is perfectly fine somehow.
@@xdevs23 if you are in the same classroom, proximity really isn't an issue. There are solutions like Moodle that work as cloud storage for something like a script.
Stop asking for more government control. Start demanding better if the companies making these products.
I have a different watch based not on what it can do like the AW, but how long it can stay charged. I DON'T want to charge my watch every night. That's crazy. But it tells time, it receives notifications, weather, email, measures health vitals, etc. No bells and whistles but that's okay because I charge it every two weeks.
If people buy new iphones every year/ 2 years, they have enough money to buy a completely different set of Android phones, smart watch or other third-party headphones. I don't see any issue with this. Don't buy the Apple Smart Watch at all - no one's forcing you. Buy a smartwatch that doesn't need to be integrated with a phone. Simple as that.
9:03 "apple would say look our garden it's so green ❌
hey look , our garden is so blue ☑
You mean ✅
@mkbhd u used AOTs analogy.
@@ian.williamsonNo that's green
Google Pixels doesn't work with iPhones because Apple has made iOS so locked up that only they can develop an App that talks to a smartWatch.
Apple Watches doesn't work with Android Phones because they did not developed any Android App to make this work.
Two different things. Both actions are a choice from Apple.
I hate the repeated analogy of "Beautiful Green Garden", when in reality it's a disgusting cage with barbed wire once you need to repair something because of 1 speck of dust touched the device.
Yes thank you for pointing that out. As much as Google gets hate for their unfair practices, they are still nowhere near Apple when it comes to anti-consumer behaviour.
@@rep-vile name one place that said "beautiful green garden" bruh
My Huawei watch has been working on my iPhone since forever. Are you sure about this info?
I got a GTR3 from Huawei and that thing does everything I want from a smart watch, including gps and phonecalls, I can remote control my camera and have 10-14days battery life for $150. My iPhone is not phased by that.
Just like you explained with Garmin watches, there is no point to open the Pixel Watch to iPhone since the experience would be so bad.
All you mentioned is why I never owned an iPhone,
or Apple Watch, even though I enjoy Macs and iPads.
This is so interesting to understand the US environment specifically, because a lot of these "walls" are person-specific and most of these issues don't apply here, in Saudi Arabia. I could easily switch to Android, I just don't want to because I like Apple iOS.
Don't let anyone tell you differently, iTunes was never a better alternative to file manage compared to your local file manager
reminds me of my youtube to mp3 days
iTunes is/was the worst.
thats true but for losless audio its better and honestly Im using it on android now. my rural internet takes ages to synchronise music buuuut its just very practical
@Feather-yk8su I cant say I do, only know it through apple music and about the cable necessity. But havent seen it being shown or as an practical option on any of my android devices / streaming services
It was doing too much in one app and was slow/clunky. Works much better as the music only app now.
coming from a person that was all android before the usbc iphone. i bought that and i had a smartwatch (samsung). nothing worked correctly. i hated it. glad they are going to court.
I’ve had an issue with the smartwatch thing recently.
Around Christmas I switched from my old Samsung galaxy s8+ to an IPhone XS that I got from my dad who moved to 15. Recently I wanted to get a smartwatch, and I remembered that I really liked using a Galaxy Gear 3s, the Samsung watch with a rotating bezel. I looked it up and found out that the Galaxy Watch 6 has a bezel version so I was half way through the ordering proces. When I realized that I should check if it’s going to be compatible with my phone, sure enough I found out that you cant even connect the galaxy watch to an iPhone, let alone use any integrations. I know that it’s not only apples fault, and that the galaxy watch was designed to be used with android, but it really made me sad that I can’t pick a watch that I actually liked the design of, especially considering to the small wrist smartphone design of every Apple Watch, which I myself just see as ugly.
Remember BBM? how every kid had a Blackberry because BBM was the way to chat with other kids. Its funny how things come around.
Yes and it was free Blackberry to Blackberry texting while it cost money on SMS. BBM had most of the features, including read notifications from the other person.
@@hhtrinh blackberry crawled so apple could sprint.
This summed it up for me so well. I was in high school when the iPhone started taking over and Blackberry fumbled.
@@BassRacerxmore like blackberry tripped over and never got up again, while Apple sprints past them
Love the “walled garden” analogy. It would have been sick if the representation of the walled garden was the apple park ⭕️- literally a walled garden
Wallet garden. 😂
I feel like this sort of new tech should be like patents.
When you first develop them, like iMessage, you have to be able to use them exclusively so that it incentivizes companies to make new stuff they can profit from.
But after a certain period of time, those features should be made to be interoperable with other devices and services.
on the topic of "smart phones" and "smart watches": even Samsung's smart watches work beautifully with Samsung phones, but they have much more limited functionality with non-Samsung smart phones... specifically because of the "bloatware" that Samsung add to their Android builds, which not only cannot be removed from their Android phones, but also cannot easily be installed on others.
at the same time, I would hazard a guess that Google probably went out of their way to make sure that the functionality they designed for the Pixel Watch did not depend specifically on having a Pixel phone as well, not because "it's the right thing to do", or even in support of the supposed open nature of the Android ecosystem, but rather as a direct counter to what Apple have done forever... of course Google want you to buy their phone, and their watch, and their everything. but this way, they get to pull the sly "we're so much more flexible than Apple" card without having to feel bad about it.
it's the bastard child of marketing and politics, nothing more.
I think it also rings back to the IE/Microsoft lawsuit. It wasn't that IR and Windows were bundled together, but they let IE do things better and faster than other programs on the kernel level so that no other browser could compete. They don't allow other things to work like the apple watch does so no competition can possibly arise realistically
Not really a fair comparison. If you bought a PC you had windows and there was no other choice. There are other phones even beyond the Samsung
@@customledandfiberopticsinc2756 well I mean, you do have options if you buy a PC. You can get ChromeOS which is honestly not half bad nowadays, Linux, and then there's Macs. So in that respect I'd say it's a pretty fair comparison. There's plenty of smartwatch options out there that "work" with iPhone, but are limited in capability purely due to the fact that it's paired to an iPhone, and that's not by the smartwatch manufacturers choice. It's more akin to if Microsoft limited the DPI or input latency on my mouse because I didn't buy the stupid bendy mouse that they make. And then they also made it to where that stupid bendy mouse doesn't work with any other operating system. Wouldn't that be insane?
@@CyanaraOfficial Bad take because he is referencing the Microsoft Antitrust case. Back then Microsoft had a marketshare of like 95%. (Linux and MacOS did exist back then too though.)
I'd argue however that there is no point in letting the monopoly happen when it's obvious Apple is engaging in extremely anticompetetive behavior AND at a near 90% market share in the next generation of consumers. So them getting a monopoly and holding it anticompetetively is just a matter of time.
@@customledandfiberopticsinc2756 and once you get an iPhone, you're locked in until you get another one at least. my point was more about allowing the watch to do things other watches cannot even if they want to
You are so right about the Blue/Green bubble issue with teens. When my son started high school, he was using a galaxy s20 plus and loved it. Within in 2 weeks of being in 9th grade, he asked if I could get home an iphone since he was now known as the green bubble kid and the kids would tell him he must be from a poor family since he didnt have an iPhone. We got him the iPhone 13 Pro Max and he was the onky kid in his class to have the "latest and greatest" iPhone. Needless to say the kids stopped picking on him.
what a cruel world we live in now…
That is the problem instead of teaching kid these thing doesn't matter you prove bullies right after buying I phone for kid
Damn. I’d stop being friends with such jerks …
I wonder if this is a similar to the issue with big and heavy trucks in the US, that never used for hauling/towing.
See them as classmates not friends....
@mkbhd being a technical critic you should also review Huawei Pura series phones.
When we started talking about these green and blue bubbles, I never realized it. I don't know anyone other than some companies that use SMS/iMessage. Other people, as a rule, use WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, etc., regardless of the operating system.
Love how you've narrated the 'beautiful garden and MASSIVE walls.'
Walls are thicc
Nobody is mad apple is creating good products, but we all agree that deliberately making your product underperform if not used in the exact way the company wants is not ok
I'm afraid I have to disagree. I'm pretty libertarian when it comes to issues like this. A company can make their products perform however they want them to perform, under the condition that this behaviour/performance is not changed after purchase. If people don't like it, they can always go to a competitor.
@ThomasVanhelden I understand your point, but I have to point an inconsistency in the libertarian POV you are presenting. As a libertarian you main focus is the individual and its needs being satisfied, right as adam smiht or friedman says. When apple forces you not only to buy an iphone but their entire ecosystem is not free market, is by definition a manipulated market i force you to buy my products and my products only in order to get the benefits. Thats putting the corportation over the individual freedom, which not only is not libertarian, but it falls under coorporativism, that to me is not really libertarian, but no hate I get your point.
@@josealejandromonteromorale546 thats why I switched from apple eco system, feel scammed that I have to pay monthly for everything when I allready got I want, example getting pup ups and adds in safari when I have payed 1600 EURO for a iPhone feels really bad experience and I have to pay for a app to fix apple issue.
there is good and bad things on both side.
one ting I really like is that fold 4 still holds to day since realise.
I am gamer and used macbook pro and iPhone X/iPad but feel its not for me later on, I feel like I am in cell and not free to do what I want.
they want me to pay apple cloud to save things feels like a scamm, when I plug in my iPhone before 7PLUS I could transfer data from phone to PC folder easily now its really hard and they try to force people to pay them monthly, with samsung I can just transfer any data to PC like I want.
since erly 2000s I save every foto/vid on HDD for years and collecting but get issue with iPhone X that I can not transfer and getting blocked by apple.
nah this isn't a good point at all. You've tried to make it seem cut and dry but it isn't. Was it wrong of them to do without at least having the customer know they were going to do it? absolutely wrong of them, but that's been a non-issue since. So I suggest finding another thing to claim people are outraged about
@@ThomasVanhelden libertarian or not, you have to agree with the fact that deliberately blocking people from switching to a competitor is anti-competitive and should not be allowed. You buy something, you should be able to do everything you want with it. On my Android I can do whatever I want, and if apple allowed it, I could for example have an apple watch. You can't do everything you want on an iphone... You can't even choose where your app icons go on your home screen 😂
I switched from android to apple, I knew what I was getting into. It’s not like they hide that their ecosystem from users. But the battery life and how well it all works together made the switch so much easier.
I think most Brazilians commenting here don't have an Android. They're all talking about prices but this is an old reality. Today, we have a bunch of Android that cost the same as the iPhone or even more. The base model for S24U (10k BRL) costs more than the base model for iPhone 15 Pro (9.3k BRL). Phones are expensive here.
We don't really care about iMessage. For a long time SMS/MMS/RCS messages were expensive and their quantity were limited. However, the 3G connection came really fast and was cheaper than buying SMS. We soon had the upgrade for 4G and 5G. When messages became accessible, mobile internet connection was plenty. The tought of sending message using any carrier service is like something from the stone age for us.
I mean things like the NFC chip lock are just BLATANT abuse of a monopoly. Wanna pay with our phone? Use OUR service or screw yourself! At that point it's not just anti competitive, it's also kind of infringing on consumer rights to use theur hardware as they please.
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@@mariussignorello You wouldn't have to open the bank app each time if its done properly. I'm in Aus and use one of our banks app on a pixel. All I have to do is tap to pay and authorize payment by putting my thumb on the fingerprint reader on the screen. That's it. If I wanted, I could even turn off the fingerprint authorization and swap it to a PIN, but still wouldn't be required to launch the banks app.
This statement just doesn't make sense to me for a lot of reason. First of I don't trust any other institution to keep all of my financial data and transactions safe. there's no better privacy than the fact that all that it's all stored and processed on device, no other party sees that info including Apple(The credit/debit card issuing bank always see what you use the card for of course but that's it)
second I would bet my last penny that if other institutions were the ones to keep all my financial data, they would either monetize it. or sell my data.
third I don't see a world where all financial institutions play nice with each other, like I don't imagine for instance Chase having a wallet and allowing you to add you Amex's/Discovers/Capital One's cards etc. and idk about you but till be so frustrating going having to go to the individual apps to use cards in the wallet of that app, there literally no better thing than having it all in one place. there's a reason that even on androids more open ecosystem there aren't really any other wallets after Google & Samsung Pay.
Pretty sure your definition of vertical integration is wrong. In the case of apple it means that it not only build the phone (like e.g. Motorola), but also designs the chip, develops the OS and controls the app market
Controls its own app store. Not the total app market. Just the one on its own devices. They're very careful with who they let touch the OS
their requirements for building apps is insane, and you need to pay just to build and deploy on the app store, you need special software in order to code the apps, its just a bunch of hops they want people to jump through to lock them down once they are in.
@@jasonmartin364 personally, if it keeps shovelware and garbage to a minimum on the App Store then I’m fine with it
Couldn’t agree more. That’s not vertical integration that just plain how things works from a company
@@jasonmartin364 simple solution... just don't build apps for them. Instead of everybody complaining that they're so strict and whatnot, if developers all focus heavily on android, it'll hurt apple pockets and force their hand, but who wants to see actual change when you can just come complain about it on social media for likes...
My caveat to this would be anyone who’s ever used Kodi knows you could spend hours customizing your skin and on the very next update that particular skin could be incompatible with the next iteration. Making everything cross platform could inevitably cause a lot of breakage & slow-age in features.
I really don't understand why is everyone thinking this way. If I make a company and I develop some devices which work very very well with each-other, i might not want to make them work well with my competition, that's why they are called competition. This should be legal in my opinion. The fact that you can't escape my "walled garden" means that you like my products that much that you wouldn't want to go back to any other company. It's my company and I develop my product the way I want. Everything was well all these years, and suddenly the US State comes and says "hey, your products are too good, let's create some laws that would take you down because you're getting too much power".
UK citizen here. Apple fans care about Apple products. But nobody else does. My mum uses a Macbook Air from probably 7 years ago and she loves it but she won't use an iPhone.
My best friend who is... not very technologically literate... asked me what phone she should get because her 2016 iPhone SE wasn't working anymore. And as much as I'm an Android user who wouldn't be caught dead using an iPhone, I told her to get whatever the latest iPhone SE was (don't bother with "Pro", it's a waste of money). She doesn't use AirPods. She doesn't even use a Mac. But I knew she just needed something familiar. So that's what I told her to get. And it works well for her.
People here buy what works for them. To us, it's completely ridiculous that there's a place in the world where the logic is "i need to buy this expensive thing because all my friends have this expensive thing and they won't talk to me if I don't buy the expensive thing too". But I've had a friend of mine from the USA herself say that financial responsibility in America is lacking, to say the least. This is same country where everyone buys a massive pickup truck to go to the supermarket 2 blocks across. So I think it's a greater problem across America.
All in all, I'm glad Apple is being punished for their bad corporate behaviour, but the root problem is American culture itself imho. Apple needs to be more open and less greedy, and Americans need to stop falling for it. You're just being exploited by companies who pretend to be your best friend.
100% true.
Yeah, it depends on where you live but generally we’re not as elitist as the Americans when it comes to Phones, use whatever you like as long as it supports popular messaging apps like WhatsApp.
Yeah , a 6.2L supercharged V8 to drop kids to school just 2 streets away...
Bro nailed that shi