Sween eluded to some anti-bot measures they were in the works of on a QA livestream. If forcing the launcher is part of their overall plan to reduce botting and cheat clients then i'm fine with it. They have also fixed all my big problems with the launcher from when they first implemented it. It's no secret that the big wigs at the top have tried to inject MTX into OSRS after they saw the game was flourishing. They lost in some ways but ultimately succeeded in the form of bonds. I do think we'll see the day we have MTX in the form of cosmetics in the not so distant future.
Dont forget the shit show when they went onto steam and a bunch of peoples accounts got hacked. Steam used there official launcher, Thats the main reason Why I never upgraded my 2 accounts to gag-ex
@@LunaWhitestar Yeah, but that's more complicated than just "jagex account bad" the people who got their accounts broken into had unsecured *steam* accounts that they then linked to their jagex account, making it vulnerable. Should Jagex have thought of that and either made sure the steam accounts were at least as secure as jagex accounts before allowing linking? Or, bare minimum, warned people about it prior to linking? Yes. But the people who got hacked, got hacked because they had terrible security practices on a larger platform that more regularly gets fished.
2:18 THANK YOU!!! Finally, someone actually caring about Linux users! Thank you for making this video and actually talking about it. I looked into converting to a Jagex account, since I thought it might be easier to manage multiple characters, but the instant I found out about the lack of Linux support, I was instantly against them. I'm not changing my operating system solely to play OSRS, thank you!
If I had to guess, it's a prevention measure for non-verified runescape clients (to help prevent bot farms). They likely have (or will have) verification checks on the client code the launcher runs to ensure it isn't modified. Jagex wants some code that they can pack in security features without potentially breaking integration with runelite.
Except that clienters already patch their dodgy clients right into the launcher to evade detection. Even worse some of the clients piggyback directly off of developer mode runelite tricking the launcher into thinking they are just launching runelite. Intrusive anti cheat is the next logical step in mitigation and I suspect that this push for everyone to convert their accounts is setting up for that in the future.
10/10 rant. i hate the login system, its an absurd amount of verification, back & forth between email verification, authentication, its like 4 steps for every login now, its legit absurd. im probably just never going to play the game again lol
Runescape is there most played game but they are working on more stuff which isn't announced so it can also be a way for them to prepare for these future endeavours while also bettering security for there flagship game. The Linux support sucks but I hope and think this will probably will be fixed it's fairly new and they will still update a lot as well as add a lot. Aslong as the osrs community has something to say about every update MTX is gonna be tough but who knows what the future holds
Launcher counters account sharing and is fine. You dont have to use a third party to play... Can play runelite on launcher... Yall need to stop complaining its not bad
I think its very good for the game, this will reduce the amount of bots that get forced in the game and will be easier to ban. You also tackle a lot of the AHK launchers this way ando ther 3rd party clients that are prohibited.
7:27 a for profit business making business decisions in hopes of increasing profit? Wooooow who could have seen this coming guys?! But Nawh for real I’m nearly 10 mins in and I’m failing to understand why it’s a bad thing. Because it’s change? Because it’s different? The only “valid” point you make is the Linux issue which almost for sure doesn’t effect even a fraction of the amount of people you claim it will. 8:21 lmao “change weird. Change bad.” 9:13 the customer support situation is a sad one for sure. The executives don’t wanna do it because it will only burn money with no return. It seams like you only dislike it because it’s being forced. I suspect the reason it’s being forced is because forcing an intrusive anti cheat is likely their next step in mitigating the bot and cheating issue. If you’re crying now wait till they tell you that you can only play with a program running in the back round that actively scans your PC’s files for cheats. 10:04 why the launcher? I mean you already said it. It’s a business move but it’s also a convenience to any player that uses multiple accounts. A better question would be “why not” and you’ve failed to answer that 10 mins into the video. Yeah it’s a 15 min nothing burger where the only point you make is about Linux. Again probably even LESS than 1% of the playerbase. They only make up about 1% of TOTAL steam users. .04% of unity gamers. There just aren’t that many Linux gamers out there and OSRS doesn’t exactly have a massive player base. Only 126k people online from the time of me posting this and how many of them are bots which lowers the number further…even if we liberally apply the 1% statistic to that number we are left with a whopping 126 people. The executives could not and I emphasize COULD NOT give a shit less about 126 canceled accounts. Not even a blip on their radar. Edit: yah boi fucked up with my math. Meant to say 1,260 accounts. My point still stands. Linux user will never be the priority as you don’t make them nearly as much money to justify spending on you.
The Jagex account and their launcher is just dumb all around. They claim it's for security, which is a joke considering Jagex is literally one of the worst developers behind a game when it comes to player feedback/Support. The launcher isn't going to really stop any bots, I can bot fine with a Jagex account off of their launcher. It's another L in their book overall. Edit: People in the comments saying to stop crying, he's literally giving valid points and criticism about it.
Twitter, Reddit, and In-game poll system. Their support is actually really good towards consumers compared to other developers. They may not have support chat or anything like that but I was able to recover 2 15+ year old accounts through the help of the JMods through email. I disagree with your comment with the whole support system being bad. The whole forcing people to use the Jagex Launcher is another wall to stop botters from using 3rd party clients. It's another layer for them to figure out how to use overlays to bot on official clients. I could careless about using a launcher or what ever they make you use I think it's an improvement to have all your accounts in one selected area. It's a good thing overall. L take in my book with your comment if you can't see what they did as an improvement.
They're a complete waste. Unfortunately Jagex are extremely leftist and support is run by the employees that are viewing the data of this as readable with complete bias and without gathering integral data which is why they're forcing it. I was one of the most prolific hackers to exist on RuneScape in its entire history (Zak Plagued) and I have enough knowledge to know they're doing it only for PR. One of the problems running a game is when the masses don't know what they're talking about, I couldn't for example post on Reddit without getting down-voted as the truth cannot be disbanded from the appearance of egotism. I'm simply correct, that's all. Niche subject. The biggest problem is actually the fact that the majority of players aren't elitist, nor will they bother reading blogs about their security. In 5 years time, you can think in terms of probability how many of those people actually kept their backup codes. If you lose your email, and cannot get it back. You can consider it gone forever.
Expected Reddit are always the same. Psychological analysis I guess. There is an exhibited way of thinking, maybe I'm bias, but in this case I think not@@JustHereForTheDialogue
The Jagex Launcher has already struggled a lot with a few recent updates. Especially Leagues, thousands of players weren’t able to play the game due to the launcher shitting the bed. People like the launcher, others don’t. Stop being a dickhead.
I play on Linux, the lack of support is the reason I've chosen not to switch. Linux makes up 4% of the market share and considering the demographic I'd imagine Linux users do make up a decent portion of the user base.
@@TheChemisch I've chosen not to switch because of the steam Compromise using there official client. They have proven time and time again that there "Security" features keep failing. While my account of 15+ years which has 2auth and bank pin has never been hacked. ( Its easy when your not giving people your password or logging into malicious site ) Meanwhile the steam one they didn't even need access to your steam account.
7:49 you are 100% correct, I was thinking something similar to this which you've made clearer and more detailed to me here.
Sween eluded to some anti-bot measures they were in the works of on a QA livestream. If forcing the launcher is part of their overall plan to reduce botting and cheat clients then i'm fine with it. They have also fixed all my big problems with the launcher from when they first implemented it. It's no secret that the big wigs at the top have tried to inject MTX into OSRS after they saw the game was flourishing. They lost in some ways but ultimately succeeded in the form of bonds. I do think we'll see the day we have MTX in the form of cosmetics in the not so distant future.
Dont forget the shit show when they went onto steam and a bunch of peoples accounts got hacked. Steam used there official launcher, Thats the main reason Why I never upgraded my 2 accounts to gag-ex
@@LunaWhitestar Yeah, but that's more complicated than just "jagex account bad" the people who got their accounts broken into had unsecured *steam* accounts that they then linked to their jagex account, making it vulnerable. Should Jagex have thought of that and either made sure the steam accounts were at least as secure as jagex accounts before allowing linking? Or, bare minimum, warned people about it prior to linking? Yes. But the people who got hacked, got hacked because they had terrible security practices on a larger platform that more regularly gets fished.
fuck that
2:18 THANK YOU!!! Finally, someone actually caring about Linux users! Thank you for making this video and actually talking about it. I looked into converting to a Jagex account, since I thought it might be easier to manage multiple characters, but the instant I found out about the lack of Linux support, I was instantly against them. I'm not changing my operating system solely to play OSRS, thank you!
If I had to guess, it's a prevention measure for non-verified runescape clients (to help prevent bot farms).
They likely have (or will have) verification checks on the client code the launcher runs to ensure it isn't modified.
Jagex wants some code that they can pack in security features without potentially breaking integration with runelite.
Except that clienters already patch their dodgy clients right into the launcher to evade detection. Even worse some of the clients piggyback directly off of developer mode runelite tricking the launcher into thinking they are just launching runelite. Intrusive anti cheat is the next logical step in mitigation and I suspect that this push for everyone to convert their accounts is setting up for that in the future.
great video, and it's only just beginning look at that dirty laundry list of updates they want to make
10/10 rant. i hate the login system, its an absurd amount of verification, back & forth between email verification, authentication, its like 4 steps for every login now, its legit absurd. im probably just never going to play the game again lol
Runescape is there most played game but they are working on more stuff which isn't announced so it can also be a way for them to prepare for these future endeavours while also bettering security for there flagship game. The Linux support sucks but I hope and think this will probably will be fixed it's fairly new and they will still update a lot as well as add a lot. Aslong as the osrs community has something to say about every update MTX is gonna be tough but who knows what the future holds
bro still believes in mechscape
Launcher counters account sharing and is fine.
You dont have to use a third party to play... Can play runelite on launcher...
Yall need to stop complaining its not bad
2:13
@@__M__ooooh noooo the whole 5 RuneScape players using Linux as their main OS won’t be able to play the game anymore. The hoooorrrooorrr.
I think its very good for the game, this will reduce the amount of bots that get forced in the game and will be easier to ban. You also tackle a lot of the AHK launchers this way ando ther 3rd party clients that are prohibited.
Clienters and botters have been patching their dodgy clients into the launcher since like day one. I don’t see this doing anything to fix the problem.
7:27 a for profit business making business decisions in hopes of increasing profit? Wooooow who could have seen this coming guys?!
But Nawh for real I’m nearly 10 mins in and I’m failing to understand why it’s a bad thing. Because it’s change? Because it’s different? The only “valid” point you make is the Linux issue which almost for sure doesn’t effect even a fraction of the amount of people you claim it will.
8:21 lmao “change weird. Change bad.”
9:13 the customer support situation is a sad one for sure. The executives don’t wanna do it because it will only burn money with no return.
It seams like you only dislike it because it’s being forced. I suspect the reason it’s being forced is because forcing an intrusive anti cheat is likely their next step in mitigating the bot and cheating issue. If you’re crying now wait till they tell you that you can only play with a program running in the back round that actively scans your PC’s files for cheats.
10:04 why the launcher? I mean you already said it. It’s a business move but it’s also a convenience to any player that uses multiple accounts. A better question would be “why not” and you’ve failed to answer that 10 mins into the video.
Yeah it’s a 15 min nothing burger where the only point you make is about Linux. Again probably even LESS than 1% of the playerbase.
They only make up about 1% of TOTAL steam users. .04% of unity gamers. There just aren’t that many Linux gamers out there and OSRS doesn’t exactly have a massive player base. Only 126k people online from the time of me posting this and how many of them are bots which lowers the number further…even if we liberally apply the 1% statistic to that number we are left with a whopping 126 people. The executives could not and I emphasize COULD NOT give a shit less about 126 canceled accounts. Not even a blip on their radar.
Edit: yah boi fucked up with my math. Meant to say 1,260 accounts. My point still stands. Linux user will never be the priority as you don’t make them nearly as much money to justify spending on you.
also tell me youre a 2020 player without telling me by thinking 126k isnt much
@@tosmok compared to other popular games? It’s not lmao. Regardless of my opinion of what a lot is…it doesn’t detract from my original point.
I think M already said this but you are being pretty damn eloquent for a "rant" lol
yea man i hate having more security
The Jagex account and their launcher is just dumb all around. They claim it's for security, which is a joke considering Jagex is literally one of the worst developers behind a game when it comes to player feedback/Support. The launcher isn't going to really stop any bots, I can bot fine with a Jagex account off of their launcher. It's another L in their book overall.
Edit: People in the comments saying to stop crying, he's literally giving valid points and criticism about it.
Twitter, Reddit, and In-game poll system. Their support is actually really good towards consumers compared to other developers. They may not have support chat or anything like that but I was able to recover 2 15+ year old accounts through the help of the JMods through email. I disagree with your comment with the whole support system being bad.
The whole forcing people to use the Jagex Launcher is another wall to stop botters from using 3rd party clients. It's another layer for them to figure out how to use overlays to bot on official clients. I could careless about using a launcher or what ever they make you use I think it's an improvement to have all your accounts in one selected area. It's a good thing overall. L take in my book with your comment if you can't see what they did as an improvement.
Honestly, it sounds like you're overreacting
Runescape players and complaining about anything.
They're a complete waste. Unfortunately Jagex are extremely leftist and support is run by the employees that are viewing the data of this as readable with complete bias and without gathering integral data which is why they're forcing it.
I was one of the most prolific hackers to exist on RuneScape in its entire history (Zak Plagued) and I have enough knowledge to know they're doing it only for PR. One of the problems running a game is when the masses don't know what they're talking about, I couldn't for example post on Reddit without getting down-voted as the truth cannot be disbanded from the appearance of egotism. I'm simply correct, that's all. Niche subject.
The biggest problem is actually the fact that the majority of players aren't elitist, nor will they bother reading blogs about their security. In 5 years time, you can think in terms of probability how many of those people actually kept their backup codes. If you lose your email, and cannot get it back. You can consider it gone forever.
What does jagex being left leaning have to do with anything you just said? Did Ben Shapiro tell you jagex bad?
Expected Reddit are always the same. Psychological analysis I guess. There is an exhibited way of thinking, maybe I'm bias, but in this case I think not@@JustHereForTheDialogue
One, I doubt there's thousands of players using linux to run this game, lol. Stop your complaining, it's going into a better direction. Cry more.
The Jagex Launcher has already struggled a lot with a few recent updates. Especially Leagues, thousands of players weren’t able to play the game due to the launcher shitting the bed. People like the launcher, others don’t. Stop being a dickhead.
I play on Linux, the lack of support is the reason I've chosen not to switch. Linux makes up 4% of the market share and considering the demographic I'd imagine Linux users do make up a decent portion of the user base.
@@TheChemisch I’m sure they’ll do something for the Linux lads
@@TheChemisch I've chosen not to switch because of the steam Compromise using there official client. They have proven time and time again that there "Security" features keep failing. While my account of 15+ years which has 2auth and bank pin has never been hacked. ( Its easy when your not giving people your password or logging into malicious site ) Meanwhile the steam one they didn't even need access to your steam account.
@@NescaffeOne They already stated multiple times that it won't have support.
Also i fail to see how raising valid concerns is crying.