In the full article, the Rebel 1100 does 0-100 in 9.52 seconds, and the quarter in 12.37seconds @ 100.63mph... funny thing is, the Rebel 1100 is speed limited to 100mph. So, the Scout had a lower time by .01 seconds, but for the last 2.8 seconds or so of the run, the Rebel is just cruising at 100mph. Just an FYI to anyone out there that cares about the absolute numbers. Love my 1100 DCT.
i bought a Honda Rebel (manual) and right away went to work getting the bars up higher and have managed to gain about 4 inches of height on the bars which has improved the ergos (for me) immensely. did a 600 km day last weekend. luv the bike...
@@mrvwbug4423 There is a kit by DPM for the Rebel 1100 to move the original controls forward. They also have a kit for the 300/500. I think there are also cheaper kits from Thailand but the DPM one looks the sturdiest to me and the design looks better.
@mrvwbug44 depends on your height and your experience with other bikes. i myself dont want alot of weight on my t ailbone which is what forward pegs do for you. maybe some pegs out front to rest on once in a while but definitely not all the time IMO
I'm 6'1" and sit my Honda DCT comfortably with no issues. That was a concern going in but found the handlebar/foot peg positioning works for me. I may change my mind down the road and raise the handlebar but as of now I don't see that happening. Love how it's torque/shift point/traction can be adjusted. Perfect bike for my needs.
Earlier this spring I had done a lot of research on the midsized cruisers, and after some thought I had placed an order on June 13th on the 2022 Indian Scout ABS BlackMetallic. I bought the standard Scout, which had been called the classic by many. It had a little better suspension travel and lean angle than the Rogue or the Bobber while still maintaining that classic look. In the second week of August it had finally arrived at my dealership. I had taken delivery of it on Friday August 12th. It's been just over two months and 1100+ miles and I still don't regret my decision. I can ride it from station to station without getting fatigued. I've received many compliments on this bike, even from Harley owners. Even the ninja riders in my neighborhood have given me awesome compliments on my Scout.
I own the sportster S and I looked heavily at both the Scout and Rebel (this was before the Nightster was announced). I think your comparisons are fair with these three bikes. If the Sportster S was not there then I would take the Rebel but I would always lament that I never took the Scout. I would not even look backwards at what I might have missed with the Nightster. I own the Sportster S and I would buy the Rebel or Scout . Without having those two I would buy the z900. I just don't like the nightster.
I know what you mean. I waited for almost two years for Harley to introduce this new, 975, sportster and this is what we get??? I absolutely hate it. Harley can’t get out of their own way. I ended up just going with the tried and true softail platform and bought myself the last remaining Low Rider S on the lot and I love that bike! The sportster S was very tempting to me but the fat tires, the high exhaust, and the tiny little seat were just not going to work as my daily rider (since I can only afford one bike). I would take that Honda or the Indian in a heartbeat though. Probably should have? I just really wanted a Harley Davidson!
Great review, guys! I own the 2021 Rebel 1100 DCT and agree on all points. I've ridden the Indian Scout, and I couldn't cope with the 2.0" of rear suspension travel or its terrible lean angle. However, the Scout's engine is great... lots of torque, and it feels a bit quicker than the Rebel. I'm surprised you didn't mention the Rebel's terribly-underdamped rear shocks in your review. The rear suspension and the mid-controls are my biggest gripes about the Rebel... and both of those items are severe drawbacks for touring. I've made several 3000+ mile road trips with my Rebel so far (11K on the clock now). My spine needs carbon fiber inserts to absorb the kidney-crushing bumps, and my hip flexors need to be replaced with Kevlar to tolerate 8-10 hour days in the saddle! 🤣 Granted... the Rebel is more of a cruiser than a tourer, but I hope that Honda addresses those shortfalls in their upcoming "Rebel Tour" edition. A larger fuel tank would also be a nice bonus because 150-ish miles per tank is a bit weak. Thanks again for all the great content, especially your detailed dyno runs! Cheers! --QM 👏😉👍
My 1100 DCT with cruise control is perfect. I love this bike, I'm going to add some bags and batwing but the ride modes the cruise control and the power really make this bike fit a ton of different riding conditions. I think this was a perfect bike for me as a shorter rider. I can't wait to take it out on some long distance rides
It would've been a hard contest between that and the rebel. Those engines are amazing, yet their chassis is as refined as Honda's. I'll still take the speedmaster to the test, though I ride a speed twin myself.
@@JelloThatsMellow I had a 2020 Speedmaster is was a fabulous bike, I now own a 21 Indian scout bobber twenty. Sm is super nice but the new style is a bit to retro for me, both are fabulous bikes with their flaws. But I prefer the Indian.
@@JelloThatsMellow the suspension is the biggest problem, but it's leaps and bounds better then the Indian that's facts. But my opinion with flaws is the chrome is cheap, Triumph doesn't care about their product, geared extremely tall, the tbw is very snatchy, the style itself is beautiful but it's a bobber with a different rear fender to mount a seat. Nothing like the older speedmasters and maybe a bit to retro for my liking. You can't go wrong with one I loved my sm just not my style unfortunately.
I've had 4 honda motorcycles including the Rebel 500. Except for the CB1000R, I was bored with all of them. I love Harley's they are more exciting and love the feel when riding. I choose the Nightster and couldn't be happier.
I was interested in all three of these bikes at one point or another. First I wanted the Rebel 1100, seemed like the most sensible choice being the cheapest but they're scarce now days. The 1100 does seem cheap and plasticy and looks kind of odd for a cruiser. The Nightster was kind of the same way but it was fun to ride, however it costs way more. I ended up with a Scout Rogue in Midnight Smoke Black. The styling is by far the best out of the three and the preformance is pretty good. Most of it's down sides can be fixed by add on accessories but Indian does nickel and dime you for them.
@@knives7876 I’m in the same boat too, gonna pick up a rogue next month. The reservoir shocks upgrade from Indian should help since it adds an inch of travel, but they’re expensive, and even then it kinda is what it is I feel like. Hard to get that slammed bobber look + comfortable foot position + lean angle all at the same time, gonna have to compromise somewhere.
@@jennifercuellar4574 place near me listed 5 new ones like 3 days ago. I think they still had 2 left yesterday, but with the weekend, I wouldn't be surprised if they are gone. I got a 2021 when they first came out very very luckily because I just happened to be in the right place at the right time when someone wasn't sure and backed out of their ordered one, and I got it. Even in 2022, it seems they sell out very fast.
I really wanted to buy a Honda Rebel. But, I just could not get past the seating position. I ended up buying a Royal Enfield instead because it had a wonderful seating position.
@@bmagada I was very disappointed to find they aren't exporting that one. It does look like a lovely bike, although I'm not sure if it's available with the DCT.
The Rebel's ergos can be fixed, just add $$$. I added De Pretto forward controls, a Corbin Dual Tour saddle, and Kajima handle bars that bring the grips back about 2". The additions ran about $2k, but that's still less than the others, and includes cruise control.
Out of these, I would pick the rebel 1100. Add some highway pegs and the rebel would be much better for longer distances. I do wish the rebel came with belt drive due to less maintenance. My second choice would be the scout. It's been out for a while and it's a proven bike. The scout needs more lean angle.
Crash bars help for foot change and rest, mid pegs let one stand up. I really like my 1100, I wanted a HD48 but i also want handling, so nix the HD & nix the Scout. I do like the Scout and would simply get rid of the slammed look and change suspension, but you meet the nicest people on a Honda........
I have a 2022 Nighster, it’s limited to 114 mph. After I changed to a S&S exhaust and Harley Heavy Breather. My dyno was 130 hp and over 135 turq. Once they come out tune. I can blow the doors off with bike now
There are so many examples of good looking Liquid cooled engines, the aforementioned Scout, the Modern Classic Bonnevilles, hell, even Harley got it right before with the V-Rod and Street 750. Its a shame because the right side of the Nightster looks looks modern and unique.
Had a 2003 Shadow Sabre 1100 (the last year...the burgundy one) for 10 years. I would take it over any of these. That thing was the perfect cruiser......but you could have fun on the backroads. It ended up with a Vance and Hines header, and a stainless Supertrapp muffler. sounded like a small block. These things are too comical and complicated. imho
love your bike.Been looking to buy but guys who have them dont want to part with it.Its shame Honda stopped making it instead they make old drum break shadow 750....
Honda Rebel 1100 great bike but if you really want a motorcycle for cruising and performance and custom accessories and to fit someone near 6’ plus , I recommend the Harley Davidson lowrider S , yes expensive with benefits! Anyway I also have a African Twin for the win 🥇
Yessir! I waited forever for the new 975 sportster to come out and all it did is persuade me to buy my FXLRS. Far superior in every way, imo, and it’s a “real” bike! I got the last 114 model left in the showroom and got a nice deal on it so I really didn’t pay that much more compared to the little nightmare bike.
@@feloniousmonk3049 Lowrider S is a great old school style, big and heavy... very expensive for what it is... Harley. There are so many mods, you could probably make it fit any size person. If you like giant heavy cruisers with almost 2000cc vtwins, you should check out the new ones. They are great old fashioned cruisers, so if you have a ton of money to burn, you can't go wrong with one.
Not even remotely in the same class or worth comparison… not to mention it’s double the price tag of these bikes as well… I could list another dozen bike that are better than these for many reasons and are also priced well out of this range… 🤦♂️ bless your heart
Even though I disagree with a lot of things said about these bikes I do appreciate the honest reviews and not being bias or fanboy rating. Too many youtuber making it sounds like domestics are best but not the fact here. Kudos and cheer for the honest review!
One thing that of course they didn’t mention is the price. They mentioned that the Honda 1100 is cheaper but they didn’t mention how much cheaper compared to the other two. 16.5k for HD, 16k for Indian, 14.5k for Honda. That’s quite a bit cheaper for great performance and super reliable engine that’s been out for along time (Africa twin) with cheaper parts if something does go wrong. With Harley and Indian they are new developed motors, with new developed motors comes a lot of problems and a lot more expensive parts normally.
WTF, i live in france, and the price gap is huge ! Honda rebel (manual) : 11k€ / H-D nightster : 16.4k € / Indian rogue : 16.2k€. It's a big point, american bikes are too expensive in EU, but people buy the brand (and lifestyle).
@@jereminco8519 oh yah for sure. I live in Canada where American bikes are cheaper the Japanese bike compared to Europe but as I stated the jap bikes are still cheaper & 10x more reliable.
How can a bike win in the cruiser class that you can’t ride for more than hour without hurting your hips? You both acknowledged that aspect, I don’t disagree with anything you said about these bikes individually, I have ridden all of them. I just think bad ergonomics that prevent riding it all day should have more weight in the decision. I love the power and feel of the nightster but rogue looks better. I would take either over the rebel, no sense having a motorcycle you can’t ride IMO unless you just going to lunch or commuting back and forth to work then there are other utilitarian options that would better choices.
Some bikes are really not built to ride all day. Baggers are, but none of the 3 in the video are in that category. These bikes IMO appear really to be made for short rides like backroad twisties. Like for me they all would be perfect. After 45 minutes I'm ready to take a short 5 to 10 minute stop.
@@spartanx169x I get some may not be for all day but 45 minutes is not very long IMO I have rode all 3 and the Rebel had the worse ergos. I immediately noticed the feet positioning to the hips was cramped. It’s a fun bike but the scout was and Nightster were fun and more comfortable to me. I’m 5’9”…
If you buy any of these and run it stock... that is such a waste. Modify it to fit you. The Rebel can be a small bagger and do touring if you want... it already has cruise control. Mine has hard saddle bags and a sissy bar and I had to move the handlebars some, and add a windshield, etc... and I've done thousand mile trips.
You do know the pegs and handle bars on the rebel can be changed for different size riders… and adjusted for different styles of riding just like any other bike… 🤦♂️ of course you could have done minimal internet research to figure that out for yourself… your welcome. Please learn to chew bubble gum and walk at the same time before you get on a bike for your own safety.
@@j.martin4476 This review was based on stock setup, what you could do is not relevant to the conversation, almost anything can be done with enough time and resources. They both commented on the discomfort after an hour of riding but choose it anyway. I disagree with what they placed value in on a cruiser review. Now I suggest you shove that bubble gum somewhere, cause if you said some stupid ass comment like that to my face … treat people on the internet like you would in person, learn to have a civil disagreement without personal attacks, this kind of talk is about trying to make yourself sound superior and it is childish. My bet is you wouldn’t say this to a strangers face so why do it on here. And yes I did know they now make forward controls for it but like I said they rode and reviewed stock bikes so not relevant IMO
I really don’t get it. They spend 30 minutes comparing 5 degree of lean angle and don’t bother to mention that the Nightster will roast your balls in 80 degree heat. Yeah… I think your audience would much rather know that when comparing versus highlighting what are eyes can clearly see or going on and on about edge use cases that the average rider won’t encounter. News flash, most of us aren’t giants and most of us don’t drag knees around city streets lol
I noticed they didn’t seem to experience this issue either, as we discussed I didn’t have it neither did my GF who rode it. I’m thinking this issue doesn’t effect all nightsters. There must be some issues with certain ones, if I was you I would be taking it to the dealer and I wouldn’t stop till they figured it out.
@@bulthaosen1169 It depends somewhat on where the heat is directed, but a big "V" engine on relatively low, small frame means hot engine and exhaust parts are pretty close to the rider. Even V-4's tend to keep their riders toasty. Parallel twins, triples and quads can put more of the hot parts, especially the exhaust pipes, farther away but Harley is associated with big V twins. Could you imagine the uproar if Harley made a parallel twin Sportster!
Great job guys! Interesting, honest and thorough.The Indian Scout Rogue looks amazing, and with Fox Pre-Loaded Performance Shocks, you increase the height by an inch at the rear. Significant comfort and lean angle gain.
The Indian Scout also the advantage in that its not just the Rouge. If you dont like the Ergos of a mini Ape and the uncomfortable suspension set up theres always the Classic Scout, and theres also the Bobber if your looking for something more aggressive. There no other Liquid Cooled Sportster to go to aside from the Sportster S which is kinda of a different bike, bigger engine and much more expensive, competes more with the FTR.
@@Janksmne Honda’s engineer the fun out of them. That’s just my opinion, after riding and owning several. They make a great bike that will last and not give a headache along the way. Just nothing exciting.
Thanks for the comparison. It was just what I was looking for. FWI at about 10:00 the editing seems odd, you seem to jump from the Rebel right into the Scout in an odd way.
How much seat height and going from mid to forward pegs do you need to make a Honda Rebel 1100 work for someone 6' 5" tall . It's the parallel twin 270* engine /DCT that intrigues me on the Rebel.
Probably a lot... I don't know. Its a small feeling bike to most people, but feels great to me, but I am also only 5' tall. My dad calls is "cramped, but mostly ok" and he is 6'1", so you'd probably want to extend the foot pegs as much as you could. The engine and the DCT are amazing though...
Low seats on cruisers compromise everything. I love my Super Duke. You sit way up high in traffic like a SUV. It’s amazing how low slung Harley can be behind a car and you do not see the motorcycle.
I have the Honda 1100 Dct, but the other two bikes call me as well, very hard to choose. Great oweson bikes. I fix conform by pitting engine guards with foot pegs, backreat nad 3 inc risers, and no more issue witht the confort.
I agree that it's the best looking, by far. I just couldn't get over the combination of price vs. the Rebel and the terrible suspension on the Scout (which would require another $800+ to fix and might still have too little travel). If I had plenty of money and room for multiple bikes, I'd own a Scout. The Rebel is just better in every other way than looks, at 2/3 the price.
@@rpontonjr I am definitely convinced of your arguments that speak for the rebel, however, on closer inspection, the quality of the individual components at Indian seemed to me to be of much higher quality. The Honda is absolutely a strong and very good motorcycle, but for my needs it is clearly the Indian. Best regards from Germany.
The Indian is without a doubt the best looking bike. But I rode one and I couldn’t turn on a red light without scraping pegs. It was disappointing. Also, I don’t get a sports bike because I’m not ready to meet Jesus.
Made a decision to get the rebel1100, i can say how really surprised i am with how it performs.. im not tall so the position of the pegs are perfect for me…
I want a second, sub 550 lbs bike for zipping around town and running short errands. Help me decide between the HD Sportster S and the BMW R NineT Scrambler. PLEASE!
I rode all the above bikes , ended up bying the honda , great bike with some dressing up it becomes more appeling , being 6,1 i had to install forwards and 12 inch apes to feet my size better .a headlight fairing like the roque and i was done . very happy with my purchase but the other two are great as well
@wave6413 i had the mini apes (1 nch thick) and modified them myself. The honda has 1 inch clamps and 7/8 bar ends . Rest i also did myself apart the clutch wire that i had made in a local shop.
I thought that too, but I ended up with the DCT because that was all that was in stock anywhere for 100s of miles around when I was buying. However, I have converted to absolutely loving the DCT. It really works flawlessly and makes riding in the city sooooooo much more relaxing. I would love a foot-shifter for it, though. It would make manual mode a little more fun.
@@rpontonjr I only ride my DCT in manual mode... Auto mode annoys me too much, but I love manual mode, its so easy and shifts so fast... have you seen any mods for switching it to a foot shifter? I know I saw some foot control mod for a DCT Goldwing before, but nothing for the Rebel, which would be nice, since my left foot is sitting there doing nothing much of anything.
@@firstbloood1 I think it would be cool if someone made one that could add on, so you can still shift with foot or fingers. I have yet to see one anywhere. We'd probably have to custom make our own if we really wanted one, and not worth that.
I love my Honda Rebel, except for the seat and the mid controls. After an hour I can barely walk. Swap those out and this things a great bike. Still gonna get an actual bagger tho. They classify this as a "sport cruiser". It definitely leans more towards sport than cruiser in my opinion from riding it.
Now, a year later, the word is out. For the Honda: 4” handlebar risers and addressing the cramped foot controls transform it. I was just at the dealer looking at one. Likely next purchase. I’m 5’9” though. I don’t see a tall person being able to modify it enough.
For me it would be a commuter. I’ll never take it to a track. Comfort is king. Sat on a couple of Rebels. Don’t care about their performance as my hip flexors started aching in a few minutes! The H-D and the Indian both look more comfortable. But what’s the pricing?
The host brings in a an experienced guest (his words) only to cut every sentence of his short. Horrible to listen to. Not a single thought was finished.
Owned many Honda's and Yamaha's. No doubt fine dependable bikes. Definitely naked bike go to. If I want an American Cruiser then I don't want a Japanese Clone. Flat out too ugly. Scout looks great but saying that radiator isn't visually intrusive is ludicrous. Not to mention, on ergo/suspension who buys a cruiser for track days? Harley has something with the new engine and they are fighting for survival. Hope HD has good things yet to come. Chief or R12 NineT.
Regarding looks, the Bonneville Speedmaster beats this three easily. Edit on 9/11/23: Ok, i have test ride the nightster... And fuck this thing it's really impressive to ride and very well built
Not much chemistry between the two hosts. They (especially Morgan) kept interrupting each other - to the point where it became distracting! Otherwise good comparison.
I have over 14,000 miles on my Rebel DCT, and while I love the DCT, I do NOT like automatic mode at all. I have done maybe 100-200 miles in automatic trying to like it, but the manual mode is fantastic. No clutch lever, push button super fast shifting exactly when I tell it to... its fantastic. I have no great love for shifting, before the Rebel I had a Honda PCX 150 CVT for a long time... but the DCT is an actual transmission that is just computer controlled, and it really needs to shift at the right times unless you are riding this thing like its some giant Goldwing.
If you knew anything about Physics, you would understand that everyone who rides a motorcycle faster than 13-15 m.p.h., THEY LEAN. Just like counter steering, you have to do it above a certain speed, or you CRASH. A motorcycle is essentially a gyroscope, if you don't counter steer, and lean riding above the aforementioned speeds, you will CRASH. Not my opinion, FACT.
People who happen to live in areas with twisty roads. I grew up in the mountains and it was quite an adjustment to adapt to a motorcycle that couldn't tolerate a large lean angle.
@@zcmdzpp127 I always road naked or "standards" which had plenty of steering angle. Higher lean angle just allow you to take corners faster before something drags. It allows higher g-forces and some of us like that sensation. It is just a personal preference thing. For me, the leaning and side-to-side transitions are more fun than cruising in a straight line. You don't even need to be going fast if the corners are tight enough. Heck, even a neighborhood with a few cul-de-sacs can be entertaining. Some touring baggers have a decent lean angle, but most cruisers do not since being being low is part of the styling. It is just a different preference.
@@zcmdzpp127 I just remembered that Yamaha recently did a "release" of the latest version of the MT-10 in my old stomping grounds. If you want to see the kind of roads that required so much lean angle, you can look at the videos from several magazines on UA-cam. They came out around August 15 this summer.
People who buy motorcycles because of the way they go around corners are riding sports bikes. People who buy motorcycles because of their utilitarianism buy adventure bikes. People who buy bikes for style are buying cruisers.
harley fan here - think id go Indian here. rebel and nightster look so boring and lame looking. i think indian Scout and Challenger are their best bikes. but id take harley's other offerings over indians (road king fat boy heritage etc) except scout and challenger (over road glide or new sportsters)
@@nickbazan27 i had a Scout Bobber cuz my buddy and i fell in love with it before it even came out. the seat was no good and the rear seat was non-existant (little bit bigger than my hand) so it's not a 2up or long distance bike. if i had bought the standard Scout with better seat options and made it look like a Bobber, i might still have it just for that amazing engine.
I'm new riders i got the sportster s 22 on the 9/26 /22. For the 4 days I wass happy. After the only problem we the motorcycle I was a owner of a rebel 1100. I I switch to the Harley I think Decision I make I got the engine light on 2 times the motorcycle dies on me on the highway And I engein starting making sparks Everytime I turn it on It's already 2 weeks that my motorcycle is in a dealership
I'm a new rider and I ride a Rebel 500, for someone who's only been riding for a few months, it's just such an easy bike to ride (which my more experienced friends have also said), it's just a wonderful bike... but unfortunately, the Honda brand is just not desirable in this segment. In a few months, I'll be looking at a new bike, and honestly, Rebel 1100 is nowhere near the top of the list, or actually it's not even on the list, it's just not desirable for me and for many, especially if riding is for fun, weekends etc. The Indian Scout Bobber/Rogue is desirable, with all the flaws, I'd still get that over the Rebel 1100 any day of the week, and Harley (not the nightster), street bob 114, Low Rider S etc. They are desirable bikes, ones I want to buy.
Interesting. I don’t envy you two this task: talking about the performance of cruisers. If buyers cared about performance, they wouldn’t be buying a cruiser. Just look at the marketing: “heritage” and “history” and “Americana” blah blah blah.
Isn’t it funny that they are called cruisers but only the rebel and Nighster comes with cruise control standard! Not to mention that the scout doesn’t even have a fuel gauge. Yes Scout is by far the coolest, prettiest bad ass looking but oh boy pay almost $3K more over the competition to only have abs has the only option it’s a bit ridiculous. Funny how some people say in 2024 to just reset your tachometer and you don’t need a fuel gauge. 😂😂😂😂
When I was eighteen I knew nobody who drove a motorcycle. 1967 I bought a brand new Honda 305cc twine cylinder electric start scrambler. Never have driven a motorcycle or had any advice I plunged into motorcycles. But along the way the ultimate dream was to own a sportster. Those sportster sent chills thru my body just thinking about one. I owned a few and still to this day I get a chill just day dreaming about poetry in steel that was the sportster. Bye.
The issue with the Revolution Max bikes from Harley is that they only look good one one side. If Indian could sort it all out then Harley has no excuse
I went Honda, it is way more reliable. I tested all three bike and i can say all three goid bikes, bit the Rebell just felt way more confident, and less $
In the full article, the Rebel 1100 does 0-100 in 9.52 seconds, and the quarter in 12.37seconds @ 100.63mph... funny thing is, the Rebel 1100 is speed limited to 100mph. So, the Scout had a lower time by .01 seconds, but for the last 2.8 seconds or so of the run, the Rebel is just cruising at 100mph. Just an FYI to anyone out there that cares about the absolute numbers. Love my 1100 DCT.
i bought a Honda Rebel (manual) and right away went to work getting the bars up higher and have managed to gain about 4 inches of height on the bars which has improved the ergos (for me) immensely. did a 600 km day last weekend. luv the bike...
Is there any fix for the pegs? I think forward controls would really help that really cramped riding position
@mrvwbug44 I actually like where they are but i have a short inseam
@@mrvwbug4423 There is a kit by DPM for the Rebel 1100 to move the original controls forward. They also have a kit for the 300/500. I think there are also cheaper kits from Thailand but the DPM one looks the sturdiest to me and the design looks better.
@mrvwbug44 depends on your height and your experience with other bikes. i myself dont want alot of weight on my t ailbone which is what forward pegs do for you. maybe some pegs out front to rest on once in a while but definitely not all the time IMO
Did you need to buy new cables for the 4 in lift?
I'm 6'1" and sit my Honda DCT comfortably with no issues. That was a concern going in but found the handlebar/foot peg positioning works for me. I may change my mind down the road and raise the handlebar but as of now I don't see that happening. Love how it's torque/shift point/traction can be adjusted. Perfect bike for my needs.
Well, you wont stall that bike being an automatic so that's good.
*Some folks are "top-tall" while others have longer legs.* It makes people of the same height have different experiences on the same machine.
Earlier this spring I had done a lot of research on the midsized cruisers, and after some thought I had placed an order on June 13th on the 2022 Indian Scout ABS BlackMetallic. I bought the standard Scout, which had been called the classic by many. It had a little better suspension travel and lean angle than the Rogue or the Bobber while still maintaining that classic look. In the second week of August it had finally arrived at my dealership. I had taken delivery of it on Friday August 12th. It's been just over two months and 1100+ miles and I still don't regret my decision. I can ride it from station to station without getting fatigued. I've received many compliments on this bike, even from Harley owners. Even the ninja riders in my neighborhood have given me awesome compliments on my Scout.
I own the sportster S and I looked heavily at both the Scout and Rebel (this was before the Nightster was announced). I think your comparisons are fair with these three bikes. If the Sportster S was not there then I would take the Rebel but I would always lament that I never took the Scout. I would not even look backwards at what I might have missed with the Nightster. I own the Sportster S and I would buy the Rebel or Scout . Without having those two I would buy the z900. I just don't like the nightster.
I know what you mean. I waited for almost two years for Harley to introduce this new, 975, sportster and this is what we get??? I absolutely hate it. Harley can’t get out of their own way. I ended up just going with the tried and true softail platform and bought myself the last remaining Low Rider S on the lot and I love that bike! The sportster S was very tempting to me but the fat tires, the high exhaust, and the tiny little seat were just not going to work as my daily rider (since I can only afford one bike). I would take that Honda or the Indian in a heartbeat though. Probably should have? I just really wanted a Harley Davidson!
The video that I needed to watch.
Really well done.
Great review, guys! I own the 2021 Rebel 1100 DCT and agree on all points. I've ridden the Indian Scout, and I couldn't cope with the 2.0" of rear suspension travel or its terrible lean angle. However, the Scout's engine is great... lots of torque, and it feels a bit quicker than the Rebel.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Rebel's terribly-underdamped rear shocks in your review. The rear suspension and the mid-controls are my biggest gripes about the Rebel... and both of those items are severe drawbacks for touring. I've made several 3000+ mile road trips with my Rebel so far (11K on the clock now). My spine needs carbon fiber inserts to absorb the kidney-crushing bumps, and my hip flexors need to be replaced with Kevlar to tolerate 8-10 hour days in the saddle! 🤣
Granted... the Rebel is more of a cruiser than a tourer, but I hope that Honda addresses those shortfalls in their upcoming "Rebel Tour" edition. A larger fuel tank would also be a nice bonus because 150-ish miles per tank is a bit weak.
Thanks again for all the great content, especially your detailed dyno runs! Cheers! --QM 👏😉👍
The rebel 1100 is my first bike and after test driving a nightster I'm more than happy with my purchase.
My 1100 DCT with cruise control is perfect. I love this bike, I'm going to add some bags and batwing but the ride modes the cruise control and the power really make this bike fit a ton of different riding conditions. I think this was a perfect bike for me as a shorter rider. I can't wait to take it out on some long distance rides
3k cheaper for the rebel with cruise and honda reliability ill take that one
would have been nice to add triumph bonneville bobber to this video.
It would've been a hard contest between that and the rebel. Those engines are amazing, yet their chassis is as refined as Honda's.
I'll still take the speedmaster to the test, though I ride a speed twin myself.
@@JelloThatsMellow I had a 2020 Speedmaster is was a fabulous bike, I now own a 21 Indian scout bobber twenty. Sm is super nice but the new style is a bit to retro for me, both are fabulous bikes with their flaws. But I prefer the Indian.
@@jasonp1177 I'm curious, what flaws? I know the suspension is a bit budget, as with all cruisers.
@@JelloThatsMellow the suspension is the biggest problem, but it's leaps and bounds better then the Indian that's facts. But my opinion with flaws is the chrome is cheap, Triumph doesn't care about their product, geared extremely tall, the tbw is very snatchy, the style itself is beautiful but it's a bobber with a different rear fender to mount a seat. Nothing like the older speedmasters and maybe a bit to retro for my liking. You can't go wrong with one I loved my sm just not my style unfortunately.
@@JelloThatsMellow also the 2020 was last year they can get the tune done as triumph locked the ECU unless someone recently broke it.
This made my decision so much clearer , got a Harley nightster
I've had 4 honda motorcycles including the Rebel 500. Except for the CB1000R, I was bored with all of them. I love Harley's they are more exciting and love the feel when riding. I choose the Nightster and couldn't be happier.
Got myself an American icon…Harley Davidson Nightster ..LOVE IT!!
I was interested in all three of these bikes at one point or another. First I wanted the Rebel 1100, seemed like the most sensible choice being the cheapest but they're scarce now days. The 1100 does seem cheap and plasticy and looks kind of odd for a cruiser. The Nightster was kind of the same way but it was fun to ride, however it costs way more.
I ended up with a Scout Rogue in Midnight Smoke Black. The styling is by far the best out of the three and the preformance is pretty good. Most of it's down sides can be fixed by add on accessories but Indian does nickel and dime you for them.
I am in the same boat as you, same thought journey. Have you found the lean angle to be an issue? Is there a way to fix it?
@@knives7876 I’m in the same boat too, gonna pick up a rogue next month. The reservoir shocks upgrade from Indian should help since it adds an inch of travel, but they’re expensive, and even then it kinda is what it is I feel like. Hard to get that slammed bobber look + comfortable foot position + lean angle all at the same time, gonna have to compromise somewhere.
What do you mean the Rebel is not around anymore? You mean they no longer make the Rebel 1100?
@@jennifercuellar4574 I think what they meant was they're hard to find because they sell so fast. Gotta either order and wait, or get lucky.
@@jennifercuellar4574 place near me listed 5 new ones like 3 days ago. I think they still had 2 left yesterday, but with the weekend, I wouldn't be surprised if they are gone. I got a 2021 when they first came out very very luckily because I just happened to be in the right place at the right time when someone wasn't sure and backed out of their ordered one, and I got it. Even in 2022, it seems they sell out very fast.
I really wanted to buy a Honda Rebel. But, I just could not get past the seating position. I ended up buying a Royal Enfield instead because it had a wonderful seating position.
ditto. If Honda make one with a normal naked bike seating position, I'll be all over it. The NT1100 is nearly there, but it's a bit fugly.
Look up the Honda Hawk 11. Same engine on more of a cafe racer looking bike. Might be what you're looking for.
@@bmagada I was very disappointed to find they aren't exporting that one. It does look like a lovely bike, although I'm not sure if it's available with the DCT.
The Rebel's ergos can be fixed, just add $$$. I added De Pretto forward controls, a Corbin Dual Tour saddle, and Kajima handle bars that bring the grips back about 2". The additions ran about $2k, but that's still less than the others, and includes cruise control.
Honda makes other very cool cruisers such as the Shadow and the Fury
Out of these, I would pick the rebel 1100. Add some highway pegs and the rebel would be much better for longer distances. I do wish the rebel came with belt drive due to less maintenance. My second choice would be the scout. It's been out for a while and it's a proven bike. The scout needs more lean angle.
Crash bars help for foot change and rest, mid pegs let one stand up. I really like my 1100, I wanted a HD48 but i also want handling, so nix the HD & nix the Scout. I do like the Scout and would simply get rid of the slammed look and change suspension, but you meet the nicest people on a Honda........
I agree about the chain!
I have a 2022 Nighster, it’s limited to 114 mph. After I changed to a S&S exhaust and Harley Heavy Breather. My dyno was 130 hp and over 135 turq.
Once they come out tune. I can blow the doors off with bike now
Not my type of bike, but the comparison and debate style video covers a lot of areas 👍
3 of my favorite bikes I want to own and compare. Awesome video!
There are so many examples of good looking Liquid cooled engines, the aforementioned Scout, the Modern Classic Bonnevilles, hell, even Harley got it right before with the V-Rod and Street 750.
Its a shame because the right side of the Nightster looks looks modern and unique.
Had a 2003 Shadow Sabre 1100 (the last year...the burgundy one) for 10 years.
I would take it over any of these. That thing was the perfect cruiser......but you could have fun on the backroads. It ended up with a Vance and Hines header, and a stainless Supertrapp muffler.
sounded like a small block. These things are too comical and complicated. imho
love your bike.Been looking to buy but guys who have them dont want to part with it.Its shame Honda stopped making it instead they make old drum break shadow 750....
Indian looks great both sides not one side
Awesome comparo. Thanks guys! 👍👍
Honda Rebel 1100 great bike but if you really want a motorcycle for cruising and performance and custom accessories and to fit someone near 6’ plus , I recommend the Harley Davidson lowrider S , yes expensive with benefits! Anyway I also have a African Twin for the win 🥇
Yessir! I waited forever for the new 975 sportster to come out and all it did is persuade me to buy my FXLRS. Far superior in every way, imo, and it’s a “real” bike! I got the last 114 model left in the showroom and got a nice deal on it so I really didn’t pay that much more compared to the little nightmare bike.
Would a lowrider S fit someone 6' 5" tall ?
@@feloniousmonk3049 Lowrider S is a great old school style, big and heavy... very expensive for what it is... Harley. There are so many mods, you could probably make it fit any size person. If you like giant heavy cruisers with almost 2000cc vtwins, you should check out the new ones. They are great old fashioned cruisers, so if you have a ton of money to burn, you can't go wrong with one.
Not even remotely in the same class or worth comparison… not to mention it’s double the price tag of these bikes as well… I could list another dozen bike that are better than these for many reasons and are also priced well out of this range… 🤦♂️ bless your heart
Is there a way to tune the Nightster for better low-end torque? Just gearing?
Scout all day.
Even though I disagree with a lot of things said about these bikes I do appreciate the honest reviews and not being bias or fanboy rating. Too many youtuber making it sounds like domestics are best but not the fact here. Kudos and cheer for the honest review!
I bought the manual Honda. At 6 ft and 1 inch I HAD to get forward controls to be comfortable. Otherwise my hip pain was miserable.
One thing that of course they didn’t mention is the price. They mentioned that the Honda 1100 is cheaper but they didn’t mention how much cheaper compared to the other two. 16.5k for HD, 16k for Indian, 14.5k for Honda. That’s quite a bit cheaper for great performance and super reliable engine that’s been out for along time (Africa twin) with cheaper parts if something does go wrong. With Harley and Indian they are new developed motors, with new developed motors comes a lot of problems and a lot more expensive parts normally.
WTF, i live in france, and the price gap is huge ! Honda rebel (manual) : 11k€ / H-D nightster : 16.4k € / Indian rogue : 16.2k€. It's a big point, american bikes are too expensive in EU, but people buy the brand (and lifestyle).
@@jereminco8519 oh yah for sure. I live in Canada where American bikes are cheaper the Japanese bike compared to Europe but as I stated the jap bikes are still cheaper & 10x more reliable.
How can a bike win in the cruiser class that you can’t ride for more than hour without hurting your hips? You both acknowledged that aspect, I don’t disagree with anything you said about these bikes individually, I have ridden all of them. I just think bad ergonomics that prevent riding it all day should have more weight in the decision. I love the power and feel of the nightster but rogue looks better. I would take either over the rebel, no sense having a motorcycle you can’t ride IMO unless you just going to lunch or commuting back and forth to work then there are other utilitarian options that would better choices.
Some bikes are really not built to ride all day. Baggers are, but none of the 3 in the video are in that category. These bikes IMO appear really to be made for short rides like backroad twisties. Like for me they all would be perfect. After 45 minutes I'm ready to take a short 5 to 10 minute stop.
@@spartanx169x I get some may not be for all day but 45 minutes is not very long IMO I have rode all 3 and the Rebel had the worse ergos. I immediately noticed the feet positioning to the hips was cramped. It’s a fun bike but the scout was and Nightster were fun and more comfortable to me. I’m 5’9”…
If you buy any of these and run it stock... that is such a waste. Modify it to fit you. The Rebel can be a small bagger and do touring if you want... it already has cruise control. Mine has hard saddle bags and a sissy bar and I had to move the handlebars some, and add a windshield, etc... and I've done thousand mile trips.
You do know the pegs and handle bars on the rebel can be changed for different size riders… and adjusted for different styles of riding just like any other bike… 🤦♂️ of course you could have done minimal internet research to figure that out for yourself… your welcome. Please learn to chew bubble gum and walk at the same time before you get on a bike for your own safety.
@@j.martin4476 This review was based on stock setup, what you could do is not relevant to the conversation, almost anything can be done with enough time and resources. They both commented on the discomfort after an hour of riding but choose it anyway. I disagree with what they placed value in on a cruiser review. Now I suggest you shove that bubble gum somewhere, cause if you said some stupid ass comment like that to my face … treat people on the internet like you would in person, learn to have a civil disagreement without personal attacks, this kind of talk is about trying to make yourself sound superior and it is childish. My bet is you wouldn’t say this to a strangers face so why do it on here. And yes I did know they now make forward controls for it but like I said they rode and reviewed stock bikes so not relevant IMO
Harley, Indian and then Honda for fun factor.
So weird that no one ever mentions how hot the Nightster runs… it’s crazy..
I really don’t get it. They spend 30 minutes comparing 5 degree of lean angle and don’t bother to mention that the Nightster will roast your balls in 80 degree heat. Yeah… I think your audience would much rather know that when comparing versus highlighting what are eyes can clearly see or going on and on about edge use cases that the average rider won’t encounter. News flash, most of us aren’t giants and most of us don’t drag knees around city streets lol
@@rickbradshaw2148 I thought liquid cooling meant it would run cooler?
I noticed they didn’t seem to experience this issue either, as we discussed I didn’t have it neither did my GF who rode it. I’m thinking this issue doesn’t effect all nightsters. There must be some issues with certain ones, if I was you I would be taking it to the dealer and I wouldn’t stop till they figured it out.
@@bulthaosen1169 It depends somewhat on where the heat is directed, but a big "V" engine on relatively low, small frame means hot engine and exhaust parts are pretty close to the rider. Even V-4's tend to keep their riders toasty. Parallel twins, triples and quads can put more of the hot parts, especially the exhaust pipes, farther away but Harley is associated with big V twins. Could you imagine the uproar if Harley made a parallel twin Sportster!
Came here for the comments, and wasn't disappointed lmao
Great job guys! Interesting, honest and thorough.The Indian Scout Rogue looks amazing, and with Fox Pre-Loaded Performance Shocks, you increase the height by an inch at the rear. Significant comfort and lean angle gain.
My first upgrade was Ktech IV's w/ piggy back. Suspension should be first mod with the Indian if anyone buys one.
The Indian Scout also the advantage in that its not just the Rouge. If you dont like the Ergos of a mini Ape and the uncomfortable suspension set up theres always the Classic Scout, and theres also the Bobber if your looking for something more aggressive.
There no other Liquid Cooled Sportster to go to aside from the Sportster S which is kinda of a different bike, bigger engine and much more expensive, competes more with the FTR.
Really great video, can the Nightster have a back seat for a passenger ?
I think I am going for the Honda.
Honda’s have a reputation for being reliably boring.
@@freebehindbars8654 what do you mean? They said it was fun
@@Janksmne Honda’s engineer the fun out of them. That’s just my opinion, after riding and owning several. They make a great bike that will last and not give a headache along the way. Just nothing exciting.
Comes with rear seat and pegs in the UK 🇬🇧 so I'd assume you could spec them in the US
The Rebel 1100 is anything but boring... I have a blast on it. 14,000+ miles on it and its still fun to ride.
Thanks for the comparison. It was just what I was looking for. FWI at about 10:00 the editing seems odd, you seem to jump from the Rebel right into the Scout in an odd way.
How much seat height and going from mid to forward pegs do you need to make a Honda Rebel 1100 work for someone 6' 5" tall . It's the parallel twin 270* engine /DCT that intrigues me on the Rebel.
Probably a lot... I don't know. Its a small feeling bike to most people, but feels great to me, but I am also only 5' tall. My dad calls is "cramped, but mostly ok" and he is 6'1", so you'd probably want to extend the foot pegs as much as you could. The engine and the DCT are amazing though...
Why does the right side of the Harley look so much better then the left? The left side looks unfinished. Looks like it’s missing some panels. 🤔
The pipes on the right side
@@bulthaosen1169 yes the pipes are on the right side. But what I’m commenting on isn’t that. Just look at the different engine sides.
Low seats on cruisers compromise everything. I love my Super Duke. You sit way up high in traffic like a SUV. It’s amazing how low slung Harley can be behind a car and you do not see the motorcycle.
I have the Honda 1100 Dct, but the other two bikes call me as well, very hard to choose. Great oweson bikes. I fix conform by pitting engine guards with foot pegs, backreat nad 3 inc risers, and no more issue witht the confort.
I chose the Indian its the best looking for me
I agree that it's the best looking, by far. I just couldn't get over the combination of price vs. the Rebel and the terrible suspension on the Scout (which would require another $800+ to fix and might still have too little travel). If I had plenty of money and room for multiple bikes, I'd own a Scout. The Rebel is just better in every other way than looks, at 2/3 the price.
@@rpontonjr I am definitely convinced of your arguments that speak for the rebel, however, on closer inspection, the quality of the individual components at Indian seemed to me to be of much higher quality. The Honda is absolutely a strong and very good motorcycle, but for my needs it is clearly the Indian. Best regards from Germany.
The Indian is without a doubt the best looking bike. But I rode one and I couldn’t turn on a red light without scraping pegs. It was disappointing. Also, I don’t get a sports bike because I’m not ready to meet Jesus.
Made a decision to get the rebel1100, i can say how really surprised i am with how it performs.. im not tall so the position of the pegs are perfect for me…
I want a second, sub 550 lbs bike for zipping around town and running short errands. Help me decide between the HD Sportster S and the BMW R NineT Scrambler. PLEASE!
I rode all the above bikes , ended up bying the honda , great bike with some dressing up it becomes more appeling , being 6,1 i had to install forwards and 12 inch apes to feet my size better .a headlight fairing like the roque and i was done . very happy with my purchase but the other two are great as well
Where did you get the mini apes and what needed changing regarding hoses and wiring...???
@wave6413 i had the mini apes (1 nch thick) and modified them myself. The honda has 1 inch clamps and 7/8 bar ends . Rest i also did myself apart the clutch wire that i had made in a local shop.
@wave6413 everything needs extension over a 3 inch rise .not to worry everything is as common as in any other modern bike.
I would probably go for the Rebel, but with the manual transmission option
Ya I'm Kinda Liking That 1 To, Maybe Try & RAISE the Seat up 3", Thou Somehow, Lol
I thought that too, but I ended up with the DCT because that was all that was in stock anywhere for 100s of miles around when I was buying. However, I have converted to absolutely loving the DCT. It really works flawlessly and makes riding in the city sooooooo much more relaxing.
I would love a foot-shifter for it, though. It would make manual mode a little more fun.
@@rpontonjr I only ride my DCT in manual mode... Auto mode annoys me too much, but I love manual mode, its so easy and shifts so fast... have you seen any mods for switching it to a foot shifter? I know I saw some foot control mod for a DCT Goldwing before, but nothing for the Rebel, which would be nice, since my left foot is sitting there doing nothing much of anything.
@@firstbloood1 I think it would be cool if someone made one that could add on, so you can still shift with foot or fingers. I have yet to see one anywhere. We'd probably have to custom make our own if we really wanted one, and not worth that.
Are there buckhorn bars for the Nightster?
Iam 187 cm tall , will be the Honda good to me?
Scout Rouge 🎉❤
I love my Honda Rebel, except for the seat and the mid controls. After an hour I can barely walk. Swap those out and this things a great bike. Still gonna get an actual bagger tho. They classify this as a "sport cruiser". It definitely leans more towards sport than cruiser in my opinion from riding it.
Nice comparison. For me, Honda is the Winner in terms of sporty riding
This is a very tough one! All are good in a way that I enjoy motorcycles… if I was rich I would buy all three 😂
If I had to pick one it would be the Honda Rebel 1100. But I’m keeping my heritage softail
Video sponsored by HD....I love my rebel 1100 dct
Now, a year later, the word is out. For the Honda: 4” handlebar risers and addressing the cramped foot controls transform it. I was just at the dealer looking at one. Likely next purchase. I’m 5’9” though. I don’t see a tall person being able to modify it enough.
If just the rebel got the look of the Harley it would've been a killer
For me it would be a commuter. I’ll never take it to a track. Comfort is king. Sat on a couple of Rebels. Don’t care about their performance as my hip flexors started aching in a few minutes! The H-D and the Indian both look more comfortable. But what’s the pricing?
Great video. I would appreciate it if the tall guy would give the shorter one more room to talk and let him finish.
Gonna need another review with the new scout coming out in two days
I have to wonder why all these testing vids use the DCT Honda 1100, why not the manual which would be a fairer comparison!
I’ve got the 1100 dct, wouldn’t trade it for anything
Not even for a million dollars?
I’m here because all these bikes have my attention ironically and for my first bike idk what to get (I’m 5’7)
When it comes to the best cruiser, it’s 100% the Scout. It looks like what a cruiser should look like, it rides how one should.
How's that? Like sh't?
@@nope-cp3xn yes exactly
I thought this trend started in the 1980s with the likes of the Kawasaki Eliminator ;)
Why didnt you discuss technology, ABS, LED lighting, instruments….also no hard specs I lean angle or the quarter mile times
They needed to have more comments for the algorithm, and leave an opening for a follow up video... helps generate more cash.
At no time or place in this video (and others) have I noticed you folks CounterSteering [punctuation is for Emphasis]. What up, Homeys?
I'd love to have an Indian scout
The Indian has the aesthetic. That’s the most important part of this class. Unfortunately none of them really favor tall people.
The nightster could make for a great scrambler
The host brings in a an experienced guest (his words) only to cut every sentence of his short. Horrible to listen to. Not a single thought was finished.
It was fine. Great back and forth dialog.
I read the new Nightster in made in Thailand? Does anyone know for sure where it's made?
It doesn't matter.
What is HD doing with that bike , the left sides motor looks unfinished , no wonder they are not selling here
well, at least it doesn't have a leaf blower stuck on it like the other side... 🤣
Owned many Honda's and Yamaha's. No doubt fine dependable bikes. Definitely naked bike go to. If I want an American Cruiser then I don't want a Japanese Clone. Flat out too ugly. Scout looks great but saying that radiator isn't visually intrusive is ludicrous. Not to mention, on ergo/suspension who buys a cruiser for track days? Harley has something with the new engine and they are fighting for survival. Hope HD has good things yet to come. Chief or R12 NineT.
Im 6,1 and 210lb and i fit fine on the rebel 1100
How does it feel when you're riding it?
REALLY need a Rebel w/OUT all the doodads, such as ride modes. Just a bike.
As a long time sportster owner im going to say honda will win this one.
Regarding looks, the Bonneville Speedmaster beats this three easily.
Edit on 9/11/23:
Ok, i have test ride the nightster... And fuck this thing it's really impressive to ride and very well built
They could of used the Sporter S platform. That engine looks nice
Not much chemistry between the two hosts. They (especially Morgan) kept interrupting each other - to the point where it became distracting! Otherwise good comparison.
why would you put an 11.7 fuel tank capacity of big displacement engine on harley nightster? that,s stupid. should be atleast 15 liters
"less connected to the bike" because it is automatic?
you worry less about shifting and it makes the ride safer..
Only if you can trust that the shifting will not unbalance the bike at the wrong time.
I have over 14,000 miles on my Rebel DCT, and while I love the DCT, I do NOT like automatic mode at all. I have done maybe 100-200 miles in automatic trying to like it, but the manual mode is fantastic. No clutch lever, push button super fast shifting exactly when I tell it to... its fantastic. I have no great love for shifting, before the Rebel I had a Honda PCX 150 CVT for a long time... but the DCT is an actual transmission that is just computer controlled, and it really needs to shift at the right times unless you are riding this thing like its some giant Goldwing.
Who leans on a cruiser? Indian Rouge is sweet..
If you knew anything about Physics, you would understand that everyone who rides a motorcycle faster than 13-15 m.p.h., THEY LEAN. Just like counter steering, you have to do it above a certain speed, or you CRASH. A motorcycle is essentially a gyroscope, if you don't counter steer, and lean riding above the aforementioned speeds, you will CRASH. Not my opinion, FACT.
People who happen to live in areas with twisty roads. I grew up in the mountains and it was quite an adjustment to adapt to a motorcycle that couldn't tolerate a large lean angle.
@@jfess1911 Cruiser have so much steering angle? On a sports bike, you can barely turn so you mostly lean…
@@zcmdzpp127 I always road naked or "standards" which had plenty of steering angle. Higher lean angle just allow you to take corners faster before something drags. It allows higher g-forces and some of us like that sensation. It is just a personal preference thing. For me, the leaning and side-to-side transitions are more fun than cruising in a straight line. You don't even need to be going fast if the corners are tight enough. Heck, even a neighborhood with a few cul-de-sacs can be entertaining.
Some touring baggers have a decent lean angle, but most cruisers do not since being being low is part of the styling. It is just a different preference.
@@zcmdzpp127 I just remembered that Yamaha recently did a "release" of the latest version of the MT-10 in my old stomping grounds. If you want to see the kind of roads that required so much lean angle, you can look at the videos from several magazines on UA-cam. They came out around August 15 this summer.
People who buy motorcycles because of the way they go around corners are riding sports bikes. People who buy motorcycles because of their utilitarianism buy adventure bikes. People who buy bikes for style are buying cruisers.
harley fan here - think id go Indian here. rebel and nightster look so boring and lame looking. i think indian Scout and Challenger are their best bikes. but id take harley's other offerings over indians (road king fat boy heritage etc) except scout and challenger (over road glide or new sportsters)
you'd be surprised how well the Chief rides and handles. she does not act like a bike that big or heavy should.
@@DaemonWulf7yeah could be handling and suspension wise -i guess i meant asthetics mainly. i just think nightser and rebel are BUTT ugly
@@nickbazan27 i had a Scout Bobber cuz my buddy and i fell in love with it before it even came out. the seat was no good and the rear seat was non-existant (little bit bigger than my hand) so it's not a 2up or long distance bike. if i had bought the standard Scout with better seat options and made it look like a Bobber, i might still have it just for that amazing engine.
I'm new riders i got the sportster s 22 on the 9/26 /22. For the 4 days I wass happy. After the only problem we the motorcycle I was a owner of a rebel 1100. I I switch to the Harley I think Decision I make I got the engine light on 2 times the motorcycle dies on me on the highway And I engein starting making sparks Everytime I turn it on It's already 2 weeks that my motorcycle is in a dealership
What was wrong with it?
What was the diagnosis? I’ve had a similar problem.
Wish the Rebel was a belt-drive.
The whole video has been one guy interrupting the other. Jeez. You guys should present better
Painful to watch - gave up halfway through.
Is the Harley worth the extra $3000 over Indian and Honda?
I'm a new rider and I ride a Rebel 500, for someone who's only been riding for a few months, it's just such an easy bike to ride (which my more experienced friends have also said), it's just a wonderful bike... but unfortunately, the Honda brand is just not desirable in this segment. In a few months, I'll be looking at a new bike, and honestly, Rebel 1100 is nowhere near the top of the list, or actually it's not even on the list, it's just not desirable for me and for many, especially if riding is for fun, weekends etc. The Indian Scout Bobber/Rogue is desirable, with all the flaws, I'd still get that over the Rebel 1100 any day of the week, and Harley (not the nightster), street bob 114, Low Rider S etc. They are desirable bikes, ones I want to buy.
Interesting. I don’t envy you two this task: talking about the performance of cruisers. If buyers cared about performance, they wouldn’t be buying a cruiser. Just look at the marketing: “heritage” and “history” and “Americana” blah blah blah.
DCT will get more people on motorcycles
Isn’t it funny that they are called cruisers but only the rebel and Nighster comes with cruise control standard! Not to mention that the scout doesn’t even have a fuel gauge. Yes Scout is by far the coolest, prettiest bad ass looking but oh boy pay almost $3K more over the competition to only have abs has the only option it’s a bit ridiculous. Funny how some people say in 2024 to just reset your tachometer and you don’t need a fuel gauge. 😂😂😂😂
The Harley is UGLY. SORRY. loved me sportsters. Spoke to me.
Exactly
When I was eighteen I knew nobody who drove a motorcycle. 1967 I bought a brand new Honda 305cc twine cylinder electric start scrambler. Never have driven a motorcycle or had any advice I plunged into motorcycles. But along the way the ultimate dream was to own a sportster. Those sportster sent chills thru my body just thinking about one. I owned a few and still to this day I get a chill just day dreaming about poetry in steel that was the sportster. Bye.
The issue with the Revolution Max bikes from Harley is that they only look good one one side.
If Indian could sort it all out then Harley has no excuse
I went Honda, it is way more reliable. I tested all three bike and i can say all three goid bikes, bit the Rebell just felt way more confident, and less $
How tall are you? I'm 6'1
The nightster is ugly and poorly designed. I hate the fake engine cover. Complete garbage
Third Time Watching This, & i`~Took ALOT Of Great Informations@ Each Time, Lol.
Rebel all the way ❤❤
Harley only looks great on the exhaust side. The other side not finished with too much exposed stuff
why does it have a leaf blower on it though?