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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Stupid feminist comics abound in the desolate wastes of Tumblr. Here are a few.
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Girls at my school complaining about Wonder Woman and how sexualized she is. Loves reading yaoi manga. Logic
There there woman are weird.. I should know I am one
Erik [logic not detected]
but.. but i like cute bois fluffin eachother oof ,3,
How do the two connect..?
@@eyelessjack8260
Sexualiced dudes dah....
that batman makes ME uncomfortable.
***** no it's just high standards when girls do it. Its the man's job to be attractive.
Wish we would live in a world where we can all like what we like and not bitch about it lmao but I guess not the : /
Scarlet Rose I never understood the whole, "Muscles are a male power fantasy and aren't sexy at all" thing.
Last time I checked Chris Hemsworth was voted the hottest man of the year and look at the muscles on that guy, even I can appreciate his sexiness and I'm a straight man.
LiamFVJ I think the claim has something to do with men wanting to look that way, but the same could be said for women. People want to look appealing to whom they are attracted to, that's just how it goes for animals that reproduce sexually. The funny thing is women are usually considered the beautiful gender, while high expectations are put on men. You see a lot of "love your body" campaigns for women, but very few for men.
+ glorter
1, seeing someone's abdominal muscles does not mean they are underweight, in fact it usually means that person is in good shape.
2, an 8% to 6% fat is healthy for a man
3, who the fuck are you to determine what people can and cannot find attractive?
Conservative: You're dressed too sexy, change it!
Feminist: Stop oppressing me!
Feminist: This female character is dressed too sexy, change it!
(A paraphrasing of Shoe0nHead's "Oppression Olympics")
Anase Skyrider
Shoe0nHead yeah
Anase Skyrider Shoe0nHead is the channel and Oppression Olympics is the video.
Darnocium Sweggiest lord of all That was already answered, but thanks anyway.
+Anase Skyrider There, I gave you the 100th like because quotes from Shoe0nhead.
+Anase Skyrider Gl0veOnFoot
Rember when feminism ment equality between genders ahhh the good old days...
Greatewhitejeck as a feminist, I'm ashamed of what modern day feminism has become. Nah, I don't wanna kill all men, I just want equal rights for everyone. (Coughcoughthelgbtcommunitycougjcough)
Thot Destroyer the problem is, some people from the lgbt see their self as “special” and claim that all the heterosexuals are “homophobic” so now I wanna commit fortnite fall damage
@@RykerAccardi those people make the community look like a joke and it makes me so mad. I just want people to not hate me for my existence and for "I'm bisexual" or "I'm transgender" to get the same response as "i'm an aquarius" or something like that to wear people don't even see sexuality or gender identity (as long as it's not "UwU I'm Stargender" or "UwU I'm a nondysphoric trans boi!!!" bc that makes the trans community look like a joke) as a big deal. I swear, not all of us are like that. I'm thankful for my straight allies for understanding me and my other lgbt friends
@@rainingwhenidie so if you want equality then stop calling yourself a feminist, call yourself an equalist. Since feminism isnt needed
Spunter I think the proper term is humanitarian..?
So the comic version of Starfire is a sexually empowered, beautiful, impossibly powerful being who breaks the hearts of men wherever she goes? Isn't that literally the feminist dream? I sense jealousy.
I read it as "Flandersized", ... "it feels like I'm wearing nothing at all, nothing at all, NOTHING AT ALL"
You took the words right out of my mouth. I think that's what feminism equates to nowadays. Nothing but jealousy.
Not a fan of her.
*"female fantasy?"*
That comic was written by a straight white man so I don't know where you are getting the idea of jealousy from lol.
I hate how shallow feminists are and how all they care about is appearences. "OH a character looks sexy? Pff I don't want to learn about their personality, talents or qualities! I don't like the way they're dressed therefore they must be a terrible person!"
+downsideupgoesgroar I agree. And i find the "male power fantasy" weird since i find the muscular guys attractive even though i'm mostly straight. :D And male.
***** Well i said mostly :p sexual preferenfe is fluid, not three completely separated... um, things (straight, bi , gay) I feel like i'm not strictly straight but closer to it than being bi.
+SnowScales Starfire is a complete slut in the comics outside of her appearence, they also critisised her personality
+BronyGamer The word 'slut' comes from a long evolutionary line of terms coined BY women to create appearances about other women they feel threatened by. "That other women is able to flirt with guys and not feel embarrassed, or get nervous!? I bet she has so much sex! She's such a slut!" Men do this too, I am not trying to isolating women here, rather trying to explain the though process behind why they all deny this fact, in similar situation.
DeepFried Oreo Very informative, but that doesn´t changes what i said :P, though what you say is true, itps also true that just because a person is confident to flirt to other people, that doesn´t make them a slut (also aplies with fuys) but when they go to the extrems they become real sluts, like starfire who literaly will ask for sex because she is slightly bored
5:00 If women want a man who looks like that, then why does the cover of every romance novel I've ever seen have men with big muscles and a sixpack?
right tho
Exactly!!!
My question is why I'm the only person I know of (except for another furry, and that one's dating a guy (He's bi like me)) who writes romance stories about heterosexual relationships for MEN?
No you're not!
Albus Kane
Because it doesn’t sell well. Men don’t like reading that stuff, women like it far more
Humm that first comic also seems oblivious to the fact that the Teen Titans comic came before the cartoon. I mean the message seems to be that DC is stupid for changing Starfire in the comic, while they didn't, they changed it in the cartoon! If anything DC was nice enough to the fandom to not change the character into a version more similar to the cartoon, while they could have, given the show's popularity.
Anyway the Power Girl and Wonder Woman comic is pretty funny.
*****
Yes, I figured that later, after reading other comments. I'm not familiar with the comic they showed.
+KrossoverGod No, The problem is she was popular with kids. It's one thing to turn a character into porn if you're an internet artist, it's another all together to have them, in an official comic say "You're boring me. Do you want to have sex with me?" Starfire pre-New 52 hits what TJ was saying, I don't care what she looks like, she was a shitty character in the New 52. (At the start of Red Hood and the Outlaws anyway)
+flair541 yah i agree, start of new 52 she was just awful, but after reading more, her character starts to open up and i grew to love her as a lot of her old self started showing through. The only reason she was like that was because of the amnesia i assume
Thomas Corking I heard she was faking that.
ah yes. probably. I've only read volume 1,2 once
Damn, look at that super sexy godzilla costume. what a turn on.
That means you’re a furry, which means your cringey, unless if your a woman then it’s fine, unless if your a girl furry, then it’s still fine because you’re expressing yourself. (Feminist logic)
Stop sexualizing ocean monsters you bastard >:^(((((((
@debbie stellar *nukular beast*
no u
@@cosmicspacething3474 godzilla is a reptile so he is a reptilian disguised as a hedgehog
What if a woman draws sexualized females?
"What if Amanda Conner?"
Fixed that for you
Estelle Vu *FEMINAZI BRAIN OVERLOAD*
Estelle Vu well then clearly the patriarchy is making her do it
Estelle Vu The male closest to the feminist will be the rapist if that happens.
then it represents their need for freedom from the chains of patriarchy and misogyny
Real woman flaunts her sexuality = "You go girl!"
Fictional woman flaunts her sexuality = "What a horrible image for women!"
This comment is perfect
Completely true
This made me cum cancer all over my desk.
Yes. So much yes. I never really got why that happened. Even somewhat harmless characters in fiction get shat on enormously simply because "too little clothes". I mean what? We're supposed to be fashion-policing our fiction now? WTF, no. As long as the end piece of artwork looks decent, who the hell cares?
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I try to stay away from tumblr discussions now. Try and guess why.
+10 points feeling alienated from my own gender because BIAS and AGENDA. Lovely.
***** - I would rhetorically ask those people, "So, story writers are not allowed to mirror this particular fact about reality? The fact that some people revel in their sexuality? Are writers also not allowed to make confident characters because it will make shy people feel bad about themselves?"
Dear feminists,
Normal women look up to attractive women. Insecure women are the ones that despise attractive women.
Signed. the rest of the world
P.S. Grow a pair!
P.P.S. Metaphorically
It's so true though
@Andrea C Also true
When I clicked on this video, I didn't expect to learn about Starfire from the comics. Thanks for the info
same
i actually used to like the teen titans star fire. Ive known for a long while how she looks in the comics and i was like "nah" but now after learning this backstory i am starting to want to see the comics.
dagnytheartist If the reader estimate from that first comic is accurate at all, it's because graphic novels are on the decline. Aside from landmarks like The Watchmen and comic series/arcs that got their own movie or TV adaptations, almost no comics are bought or read nowadays. It's simply an art form on the downward spiral in popularity. There's a shitload to explore, especially if you're opening into an expanded universe such as the DCU, people who read them are often considered "childish", and superheroes are fading out of popularity because movie giants like Marvel are flooding the media with tons of repetitive, generic, and sub-par movies. I mean, I really getting into comics and I couldn't give a shit about most releases as of late. Unless it's something big like Civil War or unique like Deadpool, media about men in tights with logos on their chests is tiresome and uninteresting.
Oh, and also on Starfire, I like how the author pretended she didn't exist until Teen Titans and then she was transformed.
11:41 Wait...of the top costumes for females GODZILLA is No.8!? Huh. Learn something new everyday.
deathskilledreaper I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed that...
Terri Fitzgerald
It's kinda funny, isn't it? All the other pics I understand, but why is Godzilla so high on either list, let alone the female costumes? LOL!
Snot Nose
Just shocked it's even on there.
deathskilledreaper That's obviously not Godzilla, That's a Sexy Lizard Girl Costume. Goddamn Patriarchy /s
*****
Right. It's all the fault of men that want to bang lizards. XD Damn Reptophiles.
I like both versions of Starfire, the cartoon version is fun and well designed, the comic version is badass and sexy. I'm not even straight and I think she's sexy.
They're both very interesting characters who take cool directions in terms of personality and combat prowess.
The bad reboot of Starfire wasn't in the comics, it was in the shitty kids TV series "Teen Titans Go"
Eeeeeh, Red Hood and the Outlaws was shit as well and very much how it is described in the comic TJ discusses. That's not what she was like in the pre New52 comics, although she wasn't like in the TT show. Of course, changes in a reboot are normal, but turning her into a character that has sex to shut up someone who bores her while she exhibits no enjoyment or emotional investment and while she lacks any of the warmth and emotion of her previous incarnations is shit. Doesn't help that the art portrays her as wank-fodder as well, even more so than previously. So TJ's wrong here.
TT:Go is still shit, of course.
Yeah and for the most part Starfire is my least favorite character in DC. But then my favorite will always be Joker so I probably have a problem.
+paperbackwriter1111 I wish they would give Red Hood his own comic
Somehow they got Strong and every else fro Teen Titans to play in it.
p
If we want to talk realistic fighting, long hair is a much larger liability than revealing clothing.
Is it me or was the Feminist version of Batman almost female?
The Batman It was obviously intended to make male readers as uncomfortable as possible and nothing more. That artist knew exactly what HE was doing and it wasn't creating a sexualized version of Batman that would appeal to women.
Unless we are to believe the general female community want a sugary sweet, doe eyed, puffy lipped Batman. Screw molding off his brooding badboy persona, no women are interested in that sort of thing.
EDIT: Found out the artist is a straight male. Reaffirms my belief his only agenda was to make male viewers uncomfortable. That plus the fact Batman is a character that rarely shows skin and tends to be depicted as rather lean by superhero standards thus is a laughably poor choice to prove the "scantily cland men in comics are normally a male power fantasy" theory. Obviously chosen because he's pop culture with no account on how he fits the point the artist was trying to prove.
Mr Esturk That's kind of true. But have you noticed that in more recent years the younger generation of women seem to prefer a more androgynous looking man than the previous generations?
It wasn't bat man..: it was batqueer
+Mr Esturk Yeah... stop telling me who I'm attracted to :)
+Mr Esturk I'm a hetero male and it didn't make me feel uncomfortable. Guess I'm just too emotionally secure with myself.
How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb? Two. One to screw it in the other to condemn it for being privileged.
Alfred Hitchdick That's not funny.
Alfred Hitchdick How many women does it take to screw in a light bulb? Probably just one but I don't know because I only let my wife out her cage when I'm hungry or horny
Alfred Hitchdick How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb? Nine. One to change the bulb and eight to film it.
How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb? 12.
one to screw it in,
one to excoriate men for creating the need for illumination,
one to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination,
one to suggest the whole "screwing" bit to be too "rape-like",
one to deconstruct the light bulb itself as being phallic,
one to blame men for not changing the light bulb,
one to blame men for trying to change the bulb instead of letting a woman do it,
one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing light bulbs,
one to blame men for creating a society where women change too many light bulbs,
one to advocate that light bulb changers should have wage parity with electricians,
one to alert the media that women are "out-light bulbing" men,
and one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog for photo-evidence that men are unnecessary.
***** We don't need them in America. American Feminist are intent on controlling our penises,against men's magazines,porn,and reproduction. Basically,anything partially slutty,condemn men for being privileged. That's how an American Feminists' minds work.
That's weird. I googled Romance Novel and nearly every cover had a "male power fantasy". I guess, that means we really need feminism. I mean, those male power fantasies are invading media for women.
good, media is not for women. Women dont hv the brain capacity to understand shit
AtomTom everyone needs r/whoosh here
They were joking.
@@jadewolf3094 As a whamen i agree
That "power fantasy" thing drives me up a wall. First, it's such an obvious refusal to admit that there are cases when men are sexualized. Second, it implies that it's impossible to feel badass and powerful when playing as women - and it is very possible, just boot up any Metroid (but for Other M i guess).
8:45 Reminds me of the "No cape" line from The Incredibles lol
I thought I was the only one! :'D
Mike Brown I agree so much!
Mike Brown reminds *me* of Dollar Bill from Watchmen.
Feminists, real feminists, I wanna believe are working into important, political inequallities or outrageous sexism towards both genders.
Let's be truthful, we talking about femonazis here or softcore, couch potatoes feminists who are also geeks and wanna bring their fevorite political views in every other portion of their lifes.
It is important to remember that we are talking about comics here, and the fact that some wild and brave steps towards male, female equallity have been taken through comics and taught to young males of the past trhough them.
Now, talking about sexism in comics towards women, only, would be the stupidest thing. Comics have ton of sexist ideas in their core, for both sexes. Someone could even come out and say that comics are more sexist towards male characters, been that once upon a time, in the dawn of superhero comics there were mostly male superheroes, jumping around, saying incredibly stupid stuff, having incredibly false bodystructure, wearing the absolutely ballsiest and tight clothes man had never create in real! That's what superhero comics are. Of course, they did evolve through time, but thei didn't forgot their insticts, and thats good in a way.
Oh, and talking about the male power fantasy, that's even more bullcrap! If you actually believe that there are no men out there who don't won't to dream of being this absolutely grotesque mass of bulging veins and raging steroids, then you are a fucking sexist and should shut the fuck up before thinking a bit. Also, who the fuck are you to say that no woman didn't have the equivalent female power fantasy, of being tall, busty and her face almost painted like a doll? You are a fucking ignorant oppressor who attacks civillians, that's all you are!
The best thing about this tumblr feminists is that many of them are gay, lesbians, males, lgbt people who fight for their right to be different, but they hate variety! Yeah, seriously, you people who think the same way many of the writers of these comic strips think are actually, actively, fight against variety. You are attacking freedom of thought, speach and choice just because somebody attacked yours in the past or, even worse, cause you don't like things which don't play nice with your all so unique, free and amazing labeling system! WAKE UP! You are growing up to be your parents or your opressors, doing the same thing that has been done to you to others, thinking that that's the right way, no, that that is the ONLY way!
At the end of the day, I don't care if you think you are doing what it's right. I don't care if you think that this way, your way, the world will become a utopia. I don't care for your pain, your suffering, your credentials and your justified rage. And I especially don't care if you, personally, don't believe all this, but you will uphold it and aid it just because you think that your political group needs support, even when it's saying something you don't agree with or think it's wrong. You are making a better world for you and you are fucking everybody else. YOU-DON'T-CARE, for people who don't support you or are not like you, so why should I? You making the world a worse place with your acts of hate and you should know better, because you have lived the worse.
your talking about second wave. Thats gone now feminist translates to female superiority movement and we don't need that shit anymore. Just fine touch ups like how the freedom of religion foundation does. The third wave is the problem and considering yourself "A feminist" because "a equalgist" does not work as a tittle for you, when your not actually a feminist. Dont do that its humiliating to both of you and slows down all progress in equality.
So dont give me this "Real feminist are about equality" no true Scottman phallasy bs because your the not true Scotsman in the situation.
I think it's time for naked Hulk. The world is ready.
+Floydthefuckbag Maybe, but then how long till we get she-hulk, the world may not be ready.
I mean honestly, you know that don't go well.
What does hulk say when he's boning with Betty??? Hulk smash!!!!!
+Floydthefuckbag Um... have you seen Watchmen?
Aaron Mulleady and i thought Thors hammer was something
sorry i am gonna leave now...
already exists mate...you are late to the party
Why would that girl like Starfire that much anyway? Don't get me wrong Starfire is super badass and a really cool and strong character. However Raven is so much more epic. A dark and menacing half demon with epic powers and a hurt full of love to share with and protect her friends.
Don't know either. I also liked Raven more. I guess a carefree persona is more appealing to young girls (that might explain the airheadedness I see in many girl shows). And when you do see Starfire's people, they do wear very little, every one of them, including the men. not one fuck was given.
***** No Starfire > Raven.
I'm pretty sure a half demon girl who defeated a god is much cooler than a pompous teenage girl from outer space.
Jonathan Mcculley I'm pretty sure a 100% nonhuman hedonistic tamaranian (highly sexual race) who defeated intergalactic beings is much cooler than some emo justice leauge dark jr teenage girl.
Emo? Because she has dark thoughts from coping from her past in no way makes her emo. Her pain and suffering make her all the more capable to love and protect her friends
About the power fantasy thing. They're saying that the men in comic books are seen the way men want to see themselves, so wouldn't it be the same for women too in that women usually want to be desirable and the women portrayed in those comic books are seen as desirable?
Gee doe
I don't think that's the point. What the comic was trying to say to me was "super heroins are hot and thats sexist, but superheroes are not because I personally like big eyes and that isn't sexist" basically, which it's bullshit. Personal taste is one thing and impossible beauty standards are another.
If a man doesn't like big boobs doesn't mean that superheroine are any less sexist, or if I don't like six packs doesn't mean batman isn't sexist either. Feminists have to understand that if there's sexism it's in both ways, not just with females. And even, since those fictional characters are capable of impossible things, I don't see why they shouldn't have an impossible beauty and costume.
The problem is that some people conflate being "desirable" with being attractive and for a person to be desirable they generally have to have more to their beingthan looks which is why feminists hate superheroes.
They look at Starfire and Batman and they don't see strong self empowered characters with distinct elements to their personalities who use their abilities for the betterment of others, they see reflections of everything they can't be (attractive, likeable, decent, just, fair, reasonable) and will never be (valuable to society) and they get fantastically jealous.because they know people see those characters as role models and see them as miserable anti-social harridans.
Anahí Nuñez Acosta you're a fucking idiot, honestly.
Hammerhead547
That's a rather bold conclusion, and a rather strong implied accusation.
Standard human behavior accounts for it (confirmation bias, wanting to ban things SJWs dislike, bias to female "problems" and male "aggression", and so forth).
In addition it's my impression that SJWs tend to be more concerned about being perceived as moral, good people... than actually advancing morality and reflecting on it. Rather standard human behavior again. Pro-life and pro-choice are both good examples of that (most on either extreme can't seem to make an argument that doesn't start with the conclusion).
It seems that even today, the best way to show your tribe that you're a good person, is to shoot someone from a different tribe.
"Batman's cape is impractical."
Edna Mode: NO CAPES
Do these feminists forget that the women in these comic books are women with power? And that they don't take crap from any man? And isn't that pretty much what these kind of feminists are fighting for? I am referring to the tumblr feminists. Not the ones who actually have the brains to fight for equality in work, life etc
***** I don't even know how to respond to that. How stupid can these women be? They want to ban porn (even though that women have more power than men in the porn industry) and then they attack someone who empowers women in his movies.
I would just like to add that the creators shouldn't have to defend themselves at all. They create what they want and if people like it they buy it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Take that back! That Godzilla costume is sexy af!
9/11 Would propably bang.
+Skyguy LP 5/7
Godzilla lmfao xD
nothing is sexier than power!
Definitely ∞/10
women are not a minority :) In fact, they are more numerous than men
Actually, statistics state that outnumber women by a percent or two. It's still quite close, but men are the majority.
Not offended, but don't get the joke anyways.
+Dead West I did, I just missed a word.
+Dead West Aaah, alrighty.
You didn't missed a word but THE word. .....
1st Comic: Not about "Girls wearing less clothing = Misogyny" It's about how Starfire is literally a boring slut in the New 52. In the old comics she was fun, in the new comics she is boring. Have you read the New 52? It's fucking boring! The first one wasn't about Feminism, it was about Misrepresentation of a beloved character in comics through the means of making her a very boring vapid sex object. In the old comics her sexuality was fun and it had a lot of mystery and play behind it. In the new ones it isn't fun, it's dull and stupid and it makes me feel weird.
2nd Comic: Again, not the point! This comes from a continuing comic series called Shortpacked! in it, Amber is an insecure and very odd person. No one takes her seriously because she's no Insecure. Later in the comic she grew confidence and was pretty damn cool after that. It's it a male power fantasy to draw beefy, muscle bound HULKS! Not hunks. They are not the same thing. Superman is a Hulk, Batman is a Hulk, that Yaoi you showed? Hunks. Plus, Yaoi is made for women! That is why they look beautiful, the same way that Hentai is made for Men, that's what the girls look like the mans ideal sex objects. That is the point of porn! Porn is meant to have ones inner most sexual desires met, it isn't a power fantasy, but a sexual one. Don't confuse the two. Yaoi = Hunky man, Women's sexual desires met. Superheros = Power fantasy, men wanting to be giant muscle bound hulks. You're confusing the two TJ.
4th Comic: That was the joke, pointing away from the obviousness of Power Girls costume just to show cleavage. The joke was, because it's so obvious why this costume is a bad design, let me point out in another way why these don't work. Wonder Woman? They fixed her. Moving on.
5th Comic: ... I have no discourse over what you said. That was actually right.
Maybe on the Tumblr pages these comics where on, they had some message that made them seem like this wan't the intended purpose. Feminists are weird, but these comics weren't about Feminism, they where about representation. Plus, NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE PORN AWAY FROM US GUYS! WE ARE NOT CAVEMEN! WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY! Guys, we're always gonna have our Power Fantasies and Sexual Fantasies and all that nonsense, but when that's marketed for a more broader audience, that's when we need to make it for a more broader audience. Porn is Fantastic! Football and WWE and UFC are amazing! And some women like those things too! And that's good! But stuff like Movies and Books and TV shows and Comics really can't be marketed to a broad audience when it's so obvious that its for a small niche of people. That's what these comics are trying to get across. Great job TJ, ya made me defend the Feminists, AND I FUCKING HATE FEMINISTS!
Here's a little newsflash: the "male power fantasy" isn't actually all that different from the sexual fantasies of women. A lot of what women find sexually attractive in men can be found in he "male power fantasies." Also, not everyone is attracted to the same damn thing. Just because some women like the YAOI guys, doesn't mean that none of them like the bigger, muscular guy.
Also, part of the male fantasy is being attractive and desirable to women. It's not only about being physically strong. Sure, maybe in plenty of these comics many of the male designs are exaggerated to the point of unattractiveness, but the idea is still there.
Oh, and no one is trying to take porn away? That is a load of crap. There are plenty of feminists who try to appeal to policy makers to ban porn. Not all of them are okay with it. Many even like to equate guys who watch porn as creep and even rapists. So saying NO ONE is trying to take it away is a fucking lie.
You're not getting it. It can be strewed both ways too ya know. Not all women find the muscle bound macho man attractive, and while some like that, it's not a black and white deal. Also, saying comics are just for men is insulting to people like Gail Simone. Also, they can't do that thanks to something called, oh I dunno, on the tip of my tongue, it's an obscure thing you probably never heard of it, oh yeah THE FIRST AMENDMENT! Plus, are you a fucking lawyer? What's with the Semantics shit? "Saying NO ONE", shut up. No need to be specific because you know what I meant, asshole. Also, what's with the capitalization of Yaoi? You just need to capitalize the first letter.
I understand it perfectly fine. It's you who aren't getting it. You basically said that women don't find big, muscular guys attractive. I told you that there are some that do. Learn to read. That's not true at all. Quit spouting off bullshit. You also know what else? Not all of us guys like women to look like Power Girl or Wonder Woman. We have different tastes, too, genius. Also, where the fuck did I say that comics was just for men? I didn't say or imply that at all, so watch the pathetic assumptions.
The fact that you had to complain about the way I typed yaoi shows me that you have a weak argument.
Where did I say "Women don't find big muscular guys attractive."? I never said that. I said Porn was used to fulfill sexual desires, whatever those may be. Also, lets get into a discussion about gay men portrayed in comics shall we? How insensitive and over femmy some of them men look and act in those comics. Name me 5 comics that wrote a gay male character in a believable way. Comicbooks, not webcomics, and they have to identify as male, no Trans. Furthermore, the point of the joke was that instead of focusing on the blatantly obvious, they focused on the not so blatantly obvious. Also, yes you did imply it. You said, and I quote "Also, part of the male fantasy is being attractive and desirable to women. It's not only about being physically strong. Sure, maybe in plenty of these comics many of the male designs are exaggerated to the point of unattractiveness, but the idea is still there.", implying that all comics are is some male power fantasy, when that's not true. Also, unattractiveness is not a word, you say "To the point of being Unattractive.". Learn to spell and use proper grammar. Also, only a crybaby would try to use something that doesn't belong in an argument and say "That proves you have nothing to argue about, so I win". Also, asshole, who made you ruler of women? Who says you can dictate what women like and don't like?
Netsworld
Oh no you didn't. You did not just use "male power fantasy" in earnest. Look, the term falls flat on it's face with it's monolithic tone right out of the gate and only really serves the feminist agenda of trying to establish double standards. How so? Take for example how feminists claim that Barbie inflicts terrible psychological damage upon young girls that contribute to them having terrible self-esteem issues later down the line. Point said feminists to He-Man and even insinuate how him being ripped as all fuck might do the exact same to similar shit to young boys? Oh well that doesn't count because He-Man is a "male power fantasy," so really boys have no room to complain. Fuck that shit. No really, fuck that shit and fuck anyone who actually uses the phrase "male power fantasy."
Starfire is on T.V. nowadays on Cartoon Network... lol
Yeah, but we don't talk about THAT show.
Trynt33 Ohhhh okay! Thanks.
Trynt33 I like it. You may now burn me alive for my cardinal sin.
***** Eh, people got opinions, it's fine if you like it.
Re. Starfire.
If one was to actively look for misogynistic tendencies, then one could easily argue that the cartoon version was the worst one.
Feminists, you get mad at women being rarely sexually objectified.
Oh boo-hoo, let me play you a song on the world's smallest violin.
Are you a girl?
Shadow Knight No. I might have exaggerated when saying they were ever so slightly more sexually objectified when in reality there is no difference.
Lol.... I'm not a feminist but... Rarely? XD
Shadow Knight - Road to 100k subs lol
Hey sasuke. And what does that mean
btw I think naruto is gonna kill u
Wonder Woman doesn't fly she has an invisible jet?
She can, she just doesn't. The invisible jet stopped being a non-nostalgic thing back in '77.
Oh yeah yeah... makes sense
I think some women have to stop forcing themselves to like comics meant for men in the first place. I'm not saying women don't like super heroes but that not every comic has to appeal to women. And that's where manga come in, it has a good variety of different plots, genres, characters and stuff that are aimed at either female, male or both. And different age groups. You're just gonna have to do some digging. It's not all Naruto and Dragon Ball. And not just for teens and children. If you still want western comics then I'm sure there's some out there but there might be less compared to the classic super hero comics. In worst case people can always make their own comics and try to get it published. Someone might wanna read about feminist, fully covered female heroes. Who knows.
But I like comics and it had absolutely nothing to do with any male, past or present. =(
Heck, I went to college to DRAW comics. Soooo yeah.
I also generally disagree with most of the unrealistic costumes from both sides of the spectrum, male and female. Personally, I feel that the objectification of both genders is rather stupid in comics; I'd like to see more realistic women AND men. Though there are plenty of occasions when the in-your-face over-sexual portrayals is annoying, and I do agree that a lot of it could easily be shifted into a slightly more reasonable light.
Example: that new spiderwoman cover isn't just overly-sexual, but an utterly stupid, unrealistic pose. Unless you WANT to face-plant when you jump. There was an equally sexy (but not in that "LOOK AT MY ASS" way), "fixed" version of nearly the same pose made by a professional artist critiquing the pose, if you google it you'll see what I mean.
Also, in Manga, I prefer Hellsing. Just sayin'.
Kari F Poses, anatomy and that stuff is a topic of it's own. In case of super hero comics I assume they are aiming for a more realistic, idealized perhaps but still realistic style. Poses SHOULD make sense but ya know, people and their artistic freedom. lol Blame it on freedom. Yup.
Kari F I was oblivious that the problem with fucking drawn characters ever existed before some feminist brought it up. If I as a 6-year-old figured that these are just people's fantasies and nothing to aim at, then WHY ARE ADULT WOMEN NOT SEEING IT? Getting angry about the drawer's fantasies and good stories with characters that are unreal is retardation. If feminists want better female protagonists they should make them, not us. We do what we want and they can go publish their indie games and -comics, as those are THEIR stories with THEIR characters.
QWERTYkeys ! It seems the only person getting angry about it is you.
I said it's annoying, mostly because I've had artistic training, not because I'm female or a feminist (I'm actually not a feminist by the modern definition of the term). Her pose is so bone-breaking that I flinch when I see it. Rub your chest against the floor and then look straight up from that position, see how far you get. You might need to dislocate a few bones in your spine to do it. Then, LEAP, as high as you can go, from that position with your butt in the air, on your knees, and your chest on the floor with the broken neck. Also, record it, because I want to see it too, because that'll be some funny shit.
You must have been one smart cookie as a six year old. Most of the ones I knew were trying their darnedest to jump off the highest rock to fly like Superman, or run faster than the Flash, etc.
And I agree with you that there should be better characters out there, which is one reason why I got into comics.
Kari F I am not angry, but they aren't constructive. People who don't like content shouldn't watch it and should instead create their own.
Kind of crude of you to suggest that, but whatever. Artistic rights exist, you know?
I've always been smarter than other people of my age, yes. Good thing you got into comics, but arts aren't really my field of study. I am more of a mathematician.
are you missing the point TJ, there is nothing to do with how slutty those clothes are, its all about jealously, feminist is pure base on being jealous about hot women.
There might actually be some truth to this. Women have throughout the ages shamed 'sluts' to gain a higher status in society. For some feminists, this might actually be a new tactic.
I would accuse TJ of just going after the easy targets; problem is, although there have been many respectable APOLOGISTS for feminists, respectable feminists have been pretty rare in the past 50 years. Maybe he should critique betty friedan or something; sad truth is in doing so he would know more about the feminist movement than most feminists.
Sorry ladies, but there's a reason people think you suck.
Women can be jealous about other woman, but a man being jealous about other man is just a misconsception... because you know, all men work together to bang only the hottest of all girls or masturbate to their fantasies.
Ignorant female minority. My wife, as well as myself, hate their tunneling vision and cherry picked views.
Hanariel Don't forget the total abject fear they have of a man controlling his own sexuality.
When it comes to sexy women's costumes, let's face reality - the reproductive strategy of the female is to attract and keep a male (this requires sexiness) and the reproductive strategy of the male is to squirt his seed wherever it might be accepted. Frankly, if it weren't for STDs, I don't think we would ever have come up with ideas like marriage. While this can be rewarding for both parties, for the most part marriage is everything that is contrary to the basic drives of males, and everything that fits the basic drives of females.
This won for a simple reason - sexual selection. Those males that did not accept the needs of the female were refused mating privileges, and those that did were accepted. We evolved to be semi-monogamous.
Actually it's the other way around. In nature the males are the one wearing lots of colours, big horns, more fur etc to seduce the females. Females are the one being picky because it takes a lot of energy and time to create and protect the baby so they have to find the best male so that it is not a waste. Males have to attract as much females as they can and work very hard at it. For some reasons, the roles have been reversed in the human species, men are very dull and women are colourful and get noticed. Weird.
Spleen Lucky "For some reasons, the roles have been reversed in the human species, men are very dull and women are colourful and get noticed. Weird." It's not weird. Women aren't naturally colourful or sparkly, they just wear makeup, fancy clothes and use cosmetic products. That's entirely artificial. You can't compare it to a tropical bird's plumage or a lion's lustrous mane; women don't naturally have mascara or foundation on their faces the way a male bird of paradise naturally has dazzling feathers. If women didn't wear makeup or fancy clothes, they would look just as "dull" as men apparently do.
leotamer5
That's what I was talking about when I mentioned sexual selection.
Pat Doyle Well, even then, males generally want their children to grow up and not die. Humans, as a whole, want to keep human beings around.
leotamer5
Yes, but marriage is not required for that. A man who WANTS to take care of his children can do it several different ways, but marriage is a way for a woman to try to ensure that the man will do this whether he is highly inclined to or not.
I agree with The Amazing Atheist but I still think the cartoon Starfire is a lot better than the comic book Starfire.
What are they talking about for "sexualization" for women in comics?! Have you guys seen the junk and muscle shots on the males? Not that I'm over here complaining.
As you shouldn't, cause they be sexy, and designed as such :I
Objectification! Stop oppressing me!!!!!!
That's part of the double standard, for men its a "male power fantasy." They don't realize how hard it is for guys like me who can't build muscle to get dates.
Oh, but you see dear, thats not actually what you want. You want what they want. You find attractive what THEY think is attractive. You feel HOW THEY WANT YOU TO FEEL!
... See how easy Feminism is?
IchbinX
Fascism at its truest.
I am not a comic book fan and never was. I find the whole idea of super heroes silly and boring and give zero fucks about how those retarded characters are dressed or behave. So what I say is not coming from a fanboy who wants to defend something, but what I consider simple logic.
This issue has a simple solution: People who have a problem with how other people made their invented characters, should invent their own characters instead of trying to police the imagination and preferences of other people.
that would involve work, and work is a social construct fabricated by the patriarchy, shitlord
Littleandr0idman lol
Then why are you here?
@@jessicamartin9363 You mean, why was I here 6 years ago?
This wasn't a comic book nerd channel, so why should me not being a comic book nerd prevent me from being here?
DC listened to the feminazis afterall since they changed Batgirls variant cover because she was being "victimized" by Joker. Yet the cover where Batman was tied to a chair by Joker that's...that's all fine and dandy because "it's Batman"....#doublestandards
I thought they had a good argument with wonder women and her breast plates being a liability. The argument about batman wasn't valid as batman uses his cape for many tactical purposes such as a shield, fire protection and the ability to glide.
In most cases a super hero costume is designed to fit that super hero's needs, tight suits are actually a tactical advantage which allows better movement and control during a fight.
Sure it's fantasy but they're not just based on nonsense, they start from a logical perspective.
+Yoshi To quote Edna Mode from The Incredibles
*clears throat*
"NO CAPES!"
+Yoshi wonder woman's armor is magical though and made by the god Hephaestus and in one episode of justice league unlimited he said he puts a weakness in all his armor so nobody gets too much power. So it could either magically hold itself up or actually be a built in weakness by a male god.
***** NO CAPES
+doomed89 incredibles style ;)
+Yoshi Oh not really I'd say AA's argument is applicable here. The original feminist argument was that these suits should be changed because they don't conform to realistic clothing physics and let's be honest none of the things you stated Batman's cape can do would be possible without physics being thrown out of the window. And let's be honest fighting in a tight suit is useless if your heavy ass cape is impeding your movement. Wonderwoman's clothing can take heatblasts hotter than the surface of the sun and can survive the force of being hit from the exosphere to earth in a few seconds.
Star fire is still on tv...it's just a shitty show
Mason RobertsTV Haven't I seen you on that Dramalert video?
You're not referring to _Teen Titans Go!_, are you? Because even the fans of the original _Teen Titans_ hate that show, to the point where it's pretty much become a joke to hate on that show.
You missed a good point TJ! They complain about how impracticable Super Girl, and Wonder Women's clothes are (and to be fair, they are) but just recently they were all complaining about Spider Women, who has one of the most well-covering costumes of all.
I think they were bitching about how curvy she was. But spider mans and spider womens both costume are painted on. Heck even spiderman has a outline on his testicles.
alara köymen They're both super sexy.
spacereject Both spiderman/woman..? Or both of spiderman's testicles?
TheDivrann All 4 of them.
TheDivrann It's not on every comic but there was a comic cover like that.
Tbh though portraying Wonder Women as being accepting of men as dominate kinda smacks of them not even taking a cursory look at wonder women's origins and general character which is basically a dominatrix.
SHE USES A WHIP AND TIES UP PEOPLE FOR FUCKS SAKE HOW COULD YOU NOT GET THAT!!!
Edit;
Some people wanted to be pedantic and say she doesn't use a whip well she has a lasso which can also be used as a whip or noose... Happy now... Really how pathetic. Also it makes the joke ish more funny if it is referred to as a whip, its not like I was changing the very fundamentals to make the joke however.
The guy who created her, intended for her to have a dominatrix base. So yeah, you're pretty much correct in that assumption. (Her creator's a man as well, if that says anything else)
SephirothSuperKool I take it as it is, that she is a dominate women who is very bad for the point they were trying to make.
Yes she is sexulized but she is a strong women in physical strength and character so why would feminists have a problem with men being attracted to strong women?
I thought that was the whole reason that comic was comical. She failed so epically at pretending to play house it was counter point.
Etheoma
Because they wanna twist and corrupt the very notion of strong women to make strength undesirable, because they're misah-gah-nists. *gnashes teeth*
Don't forget, it's the Lasso of Truth, you get caught and there goes your free will.
Wait a minute. So one minute a woman being emotional and loving a man is a symbol of power and loyalty, but the next it's misogynistic and a "worrying trope"?
As a feminist, I can easily agree that these comics are stupid
I feel as though these comics is from the outside looking in.
Congratulations on being the life-saving antipsychotics feminism refuses to take!
So the defense is "It's ok if we give our character madly complicated reasons to be naked" I'm not saying DC is sexist or anything but it seems a little weird to have a female character who just so happens to come from an alien race where they don't mind being naked. DC made the character, they really didn't need to make her that way. The alien race could be outgoing without needing to be like this.
EDIT: Since so many people seem to think I'm saying this. I'm not suggesting DC get rid of Starfire just that I don't like the character
But they at least gave a legitimate explanation. She's not wearing minimal clothing just for the hell of it. And yes, they didn't need to make her that way but guess what? The main demographic for DC Comics are males, and males like to see scantily clothed heroines. That's just biology.
***** I'm referring only to Starfire here look it just sounds like excuses to me, I mean she's a big titted woman who likes flirting with men and being naked. I don't want to hate the character but everything about her sounds like an excuse as to why it's ok to draw the naked female super-hero.
They made it like this because audience likes it. Duh.
And no one should be able to tell them to stop, if you don't like it - don't read it. Sex-negative feminists (or anyone else) having power to censor comic books made for men is not okay, it's an equivalent of MRA's censoring Twilight, and I don't see anyone thinking that would be reasonable.
Dissentient See I never said anything about censoring Starfire only that I feel put off from her as a character
Frank Hupp That's what I'm getting at. No other female characters need complex reasons why they're drawn the way they are.
I kinda dislike hearing him talk very generally about feminists like this, when It reminds me so much of how people talk about atheist's when they're referring to immature assholes on the internet who also happen to be atheist. People always talk about feminists as though they are defined by they're worst part. When I self identify as atheist am I telling people that i'm an asshole? my point is, I'm sure there are reasonable people out there who self identify as feminist, and I feel bad for them that "feminist" has now come to colloquially be equal to "misandrist".
edit: oh god it's late, my grammar and spelling are horrific.
Again, another person who doesn't do research on TJ. He has stated this multiple times, that when he refers to Feminists, he means Tumblr Feminists. When he refers to religion, he means Christianity. When he refers to Politics, he means Republicans.
He has said this OVER and OVER, and the reasoning behind this is very obvious: it is what he is around most of the time and what he sees, and he can't specify which group he is targeting in every single video he does; it is repetitive and redundant because if you know and research TJ, you would know this. It is not his responsibility to notify people constantly who he targets, it's the viewers responsibility to do the research. His friend, Jaclynglen is a feminist but he has nothing against her for example.
Don't jump to conclusions, always research on somebody before posting your opinion, because it might be incorrect.
Blake5467 my comment really isn't about TJ, it's more that I feel vicarious shame for feminists whenever i hear anybody talk generally about groups like this. I get your point though.
TehTezMan "People always talks about feminists as though they are defined by they're worst part. "
they are.... because it is a choice to be a feminist...
fun experiment, replace feminists with Nazis in your OP.... see why it's not a very good argument??
since atheism isn't a choice... your argument to link this to atheism is invalid.
Creationsofmyown How is feminism any more of a choice than e.g. individualism or liberalism? Like most other isms feminism is a conviction rooted in values and world view.
Feminism is an ideology, atheism isn't, and two of the main traits of ideologies is that membership is voluntary and that one must subscribe to a number of beliefs.
It is okay to generalize feminists, for they have agreed to share the same general beliefs. Sure, you can argue that there are various kinds of feminism. But if there's more than one kind of feminism and it is down to subjective interpretation, then why treat it as if it holds any objective meaning at all?
In other words: Either all feminists belong in the same box, or the ideology is bullshit.
This is true for all ideologies, by the way.
So this cartoon wants us to believe that women prefer effeminate skinny men to macho buff men?
yup, the artist may like them like that but she doesn´t speak for the entirety of women
Perhaps balance... Muscles doesn't make you macho by default, and the other way around. You're just gonna have to ask different women themselves. lol I think the "joke" was that if women made the male characters to their ideals then men would understand why feminists find the "overly sexy" female characters uncomfortable. Not speaking about my own opinion, it's just how I understood it.
Between the two, I see women going for the effeminate men (which are most often drawn by women) far more often than the man's version of a man. Yes, that is completely true. Of course there are exceptions, so don't comment to this talking about that, please. I personally like all sorts of body types, for women and men, as someone attracted to any gender.
***** Probably because he didn't have a likable personality, looks aren't everything. Perhaps he was too creepy. If you read his manifesto, part of that probably showed in how he acted.
SLYKM You see women go for effeminate men? What world do you live in? Seriously. That may be what you like but I know for a fact that is a minority. Men would not spend hours and hours at the gym trying to get fit if it didn't give them better chances at getting laid with attractive women. They may work out as a hobby or to stay healthy but those aren't the main motivating factors. Reminds me of a study I just read about how there is a correlation between marriage and obesity. Men stop caring about their appearance when they don't have to impress a woman.
About those sexy costumes, if you are a person that likes to dress sexy you better be female, there are very few male costumes that make us look good in a seductive way and it in my opinion is just wrong. Go to any kind of sex shop and browse thru the costumes and i can guarantee there are only a handful of costumes for men that are any ways taken seriously, and i don't consider elephant thongs as a sexy costume. So we actually have a situation where women have a larger pool of choices than men do and they still whine about how oppressed they are.
You must not be bi.
Carson Eastman Me...? Nah, but back in the days i was interested in clothing.
mustekkala wow. two days ago I had this precise "argument" with my girlfriend. Apparently, for the vast mojority of the market, the prominent way for a guy to be sexy is to have a huge dong.
Livthru And even a huge dong can not be very sexy, you need to remember that some women see a penis as a funny little thing that can be made fun of (not the size but what it looks like). If a man wants to look sexy he needs to be in great physical shape, needs a lot of charisma and a big bank account never hurts. None of these things are on sale at any store.
mustekkala I agree with the bank account, physique, etc. But my argument was more along he line of: "look, you have all these options if you want to dress up for me, from full costumes to sexy lingerie to accessories. All I have is a clowny piece of underwear to stick my cock in."
For us this was not about whether women have it more dificult or not, but rather about how there are a million things they can do to make themselves sexually appealing to us (in a physical way), but only one way we can be physically appealing to them.
I love how in the first comic, its a positive trait for a female character to love a man, but its a negative trait if they are attractive
As soon as Lucy said Starfire drew her power from her emotions, you knew this would be a stupid comic.
Also, her comic book name is Ko'riander.
While I agree with the majority of this video, I think you might of missed the point of the first comic. What bothered Lucy was the attitude of Starfire, not her appearance. The reboot took away everything Starfire represented, cartoon and comic. Instead of a compassionate alien who wanted friends, we got an emotionally detached sex addict. Starfire's sexuality was always a big part of her character but it was never supposed to be the only notable thing about the character. Had her personality made it through the reboot, I doubt 'Lucy' would of had to much of an issue.
There is nothing wrong with liking and relating to the cartoon version of Starfire. If the Cartoon is the reason that some fans were introduce to Starfire than so be it . It doesn't make them lesser fans of the character.
Starfire's confidence in her sexuality doesn't make up the sum of her character either .
But,you're right about one thing : Starfire isn't a sex addict .
He never explicitly stated that Starfire is a sex addict
I think the comic book world is a "man dominated fantasy", means, most content creators are men,
Back in the day when batman was created, these men were treated like shit for being geeks, nerds, no life man-children jerkoffs who would spend 8+ hours of their day drawing dolls and heroes like immature dorks who were told a million times to "get a life".
Now that batman is popular, now that batgirl, wonder woman, power girl, starfire and everyone else is popular, NOW theyre "artists", now theyre awesome and now feminists want to change everything because they want in on the popular thing ?? NO, back then these people would struggle to get a girlfriend because they were not the "male" model they wanted, if this was born as a male dominated fantasy and it continues to be so, suck it up, the creators of these comics had to suck it up when they were told they were dorks.
Again, feminists just poison everything, they'll find something bad in everything and I've been wanting to get on their side to the point where they can say "we are equal" but no, they'll continue with their shit because the modern feminist is nothing but a whinny bitch
you tell em duke! HAIL TO THE KING BABY!
The majority of your argument here I can agree with, however just nit picking here your generalising feminists. My sister is a feminist but she ain't complaining 'bout cat women's breasts. It's just those who jump fast and as t.j describes them in this video. The feminists I know (which is like 3+) are much more logically. Again just nitpicking at your generalisation of feminists being sand in the eyes
See, exactly. If a chick wanted to make a comic that represents their ideal for a male superhero, they could fucking have at it, that's cool with me. Hell, it's probably ALREADY out there. Internet bro.
I'll agree on a lot of points, but as more and more female audiences turn to comics as a source of entertainment, naturally they will want to see more female characters they can relate to and more comics that cater to them. This in and of itself is not an unreasonable demand/request, but the solution is definitely not to wage war on boobs and classic male-centered comics in general.
A much better solution would be for them to actually create new comics, create new characters, new stories, new things, the way they like, to cater to whatever audience they want to. It would give them what they want, speak to a whole new audience, and create more options for future generations of comic book lovers.
It's actually quite shameful that instead of choosing to create, people would choose to destroy and attempt to censor what has already been established.
TheBurrito171 Agreed, especially to the last paragraph.
Hold up. IS THAT A GODZILLA COSTUME!?
Oh my god! Sexualizing that Godzilla like that! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!
Sexy Godzilla. There's no other kind. ;)
Eeeeargph
it's so funny to see how much in common have the feminists and conservatives
Daniel Ramcke which is odd because they're liberal and bash conservatives while their viewpoints line perfectly in match with conservativism.
"Do you are have stupid?" a wise spider once said.
We don't want the feminists thanks.
For Halloween Girls must wear Burqas! Would that make you feel better feminists?
Would you wear Burqas...let me gess no :)
I've got a outfit for Halloween my friend's at my Gym who are around my age & o i forgot to tell you that i'm 29 now my birthday was back on Oct 6th, anyway ye my friend's at my Gym want me to join them in wearing a Halloween outfit at the Gym just for a laugh so i said o.k. i was going to hire out the Predator costume but that costume was to small for me so i thought i'll just go as a Jack o lanton.
Serino Modica Oh, well Happy Birthday Serino! No, I wouldn't wear a Burqa, but I wouldn't complain about little girls dressing up as cartoon characters either. What do you think of your jack o lantern costume? Is it scary?
Tangerine Farmer I love the look of it, its got a mean scary looking face, it has a smile with big triangle shaped teeth & this is my first time taking part in Halloween so i find it exciting. I dont think anybody would complain about little girl's & allso little boy's dressing up in cartoon characters, i dont know why anybody would. What about yourself do you take part in Halloween or did you take part in Halloween.
Serino Modica I am glad you like your costume. I personally don't know people who would complain about girls' costumes either, but I was just commenting on the video about feminists complaining about what girls were dressed as for Halloween. I was a pirate last year, I don't know what I will be this year.
Tangerine Farmer What about a Wicked witch outfit i think that would be pretty cool on a female, you will have to walk around everywere with the Wicked witch broomstick in your hand but.
As an atheist, humanist female i would LOVE to see more of this.
Keep up the good work TJ :)
The Real Flenuan Don't cheer too much, we are riddled with the feminist plague :)
TheIcelandicPatriot Atheist humanist females; so few and so proud. :)
The Real Flenuan True that sire :)
I actually went to a Halloween store today. The womens' section was all super revealing, the girls' section was fine but there were fishnets for them. Of course, I couldn't get any costumes because my father wouldn't allow me to go outside in something that revealing, plus I live in fucking Ohio! Bitch, at least let the costume have sleeves! I don't want to walk around in the snow in a corset and a tutu, my ass would freeze. And this is coming from someone who wants to be a stripper.
If only there were some kind of inter connected network of computers where you could purchase a costume from a web of producers.... Some kind of interconnected web, or connecto-web if you will.
If only there was some kind of way to get your head out of your ass. I don't like buying things online because of shipping fees, custom fees, and don't even get me started on sizing! At least the physical stores have dressing rooms instead of having to guess and if something doesn't fit? Either, ship it back and pay more fees, alter it, or get it tailored. No, thanks.
Brandy life is tough, ain't it?
Brandy Wow, that's some amazing first world problems.
No one said they weren't.
8:45 "NO CAPES!"
It is funny because no one says "sexy nurse" "sexy this" "sexy that", it is feminists that add the word "sexy" on. Sure some of the adult costumes are meant to look sexy, but damn near none of the children ones so their argument is moot.
The funny thing is that they have no idea that the situation is reversed. Women dont buy the slutty halloween costumes just cuz theyre being sold. They are sold because there's a high demand of slutty costumes coming from women. I guarantee that they wouldnt be sold at all if they didnt sell well.
As someone studying Aerospace Engineering I can tell you that the human body is so god awful at being aerodynamic already that cleavage wouldn't make a difference, in all honesty it would probably give a better lifting body effect.
Also if she were to fly at supersonic speeds, her neck would snap and her arms would be pulled apart. Her cleavage would be the least of her issues.
MomentousGaming
Her skin would also burn the fuck up due to friction against the air.
ThatGuyYouArent2 Yes and she would elongate a couple of inches.
Isn't that more of a things-made-out-of-metal thing?
ThatGuyYouArent2 The drag caused by your body will be going against the acceleration, causing you to elongate. The amount of drag at that speed is tremendous.
I admire your voice acting. Female supremacists annoy the hell out of me...they give women a bad name. Great video!
Lucy went back to shaming and making fun of males who read comic books with the rest of society. Both men and women stereotype comic book readers as virgins, nerds, geeks, losers, basement dwellers, etc, so forgive me if I don’t care when feminists get upset over women in comic books.
Holy shit... I would fall in love if I ever met a girl who dressed up as godzilla at a halloween party. 11:42
Was thinking the same fucking thing hahahaha that is such a rad costume.
Yes, the only reason that version of Batman looks ridiculous is because it makes dudes uncomfortable. Not because Batman is supposed to look threatening and it completely destroys the character or anything.
He shall inspire fear in the criminal underworld via his Rosy cheeks and kissable lips.
Wait a minute... Doesn't the comic Starfire is a paragon of what feminists stand for? She is strong, independent and open with her sexuality. She does what she wants with men and cares not for the social opinion on her actions. If she is dull then, well, tell me that simple-minded women do not also exist.
When you mentioned "capes", Edna Mode came to my mind.
"NO CAPES!"
Yeah man, do more. This was really good
All honesty, comic book Starfire seems more like a comic geek's fever dream, whereas animated Starfire feels more like a girl I actually know. I mean, yeah, comics are about fantasy, but they're also about immersion, and I find it difficult to get immersed in a scantily clad supermodel who goes around kissing random dudes, but can also fight really good.
I prefer all the teen titans character in teen titans form tbh...
Not even close.
You do realize that the tv show Starfire also goes around kissing random dudes?
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She has the power of...herpes!
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THAT'S NEW. O_o
That makes uncomfortable... because your drawing is bad
I thought women are allowed to wear whatever they want, wtf?!
starfire has been sexual since she was invented, she was just made non sexual for the kids cartoon
Honestly, not a huge comic guy and got into DC from the animated universe. Starfire in TT was one of my favorite heroes because of how relatable she is and because many of us strive for the same personal transformation she goes through in life. Insecurity is something that I think we all have to deal with when we're teens. But having a fictional character to relate to like Starfire is pretty cool. Seeing how she deals with her own insecurities, and how she grows more and more comfortable with her own idiosyncrasies, was really refreshing in a hero. And for her to become this very unabashedly confident, comfortable, and completely sincere hero later in her life is something that I think should be fully supported. She couldn't care less what other people think about how she dresses or how she expresses herself. She fully loves her friends as if they were her own family. She is completely accepting of herself and her friends. She doesn't hide who she is, and that's admirable in a hero.
io9 of the Gawker Media pretty much made one huge manifesto against 'COMICS BEING SEXIST' and they let loose the Jezebel radical feminist hounds onto that page.
They pretty much set up as much strawman as possible, but the funniest one is this:
"Comics has always denounced/pushed away women". Which is kind of funny, because so many stuck up people (many of whom women) have looked down on comics as a hobby for geeks and losers. And now that feminism has properly permeated and infected the mainstream, they want to wrest the hobby and the craft of comics away from the 'geeks/nerds' who has helped the artform thrive by calling them losers and sexists while they start hogging up the media as a bastion of social justice.
These people are fucking DANGEROUS to artistic craft. They already redesigned most girls so they are de-sexualized, basically are making comickers put in feminist friendly stories and making sure that artists are terrified of doing anything that could potentially offend a feminist.
This is the future we will have if these demagogues and whiners have their way. Instead of any kind of a healthy and respectful approach, they intend to demonize all fans, push out anyone who doesn't walk lock in step with them and go for a bridge burning methodology. This is feminism as it stands today. And I can't fucking believe so many people are buying into their poisonous world view.
ruy1981 Say what you will about these SJWs, but they are crafty. They know that the way to make big companies capitulate is to make sure they cry about it loud enough that the mass media will crucify them in the public arena and make a huge PR nightmare for anyone who dare oppose them.
What worse is that they often tap into the mainstream's contempt for enthusiast hobbies such as videogames, comicbooks and others and they tap into the whole 'hardcore fans are losers' stereotype. All this so they can push out the core fans so they inhabit the new space as the 'enlightened' new age fandom.
This is some scary as fuck cult shit we're looking at.
MOAR TJ, MOAR!
This video is awesome, I'd love to see you make more of these :) I was sitting here just hoping there'd be MORE and MORE!!!
They DO realize that Power Girl is from KRYPTON right?
Feminists don't care, they're just pushing an agenda
Jake Torvick Yeah. Fuck the lore, agenda rules!
I'm pretty sure if a guy tried to use their cleavage as a weakpoint, they would lose a hand. Since, you know, ones from krypton, and the other is wonder woman, and just as what TJ said: physics don't apply
Jake Torvick Absolutely. They're two of the strongest women on the planet, and they know it. Either of them could break somebody's arm with their fucking pectoral muscles.
But hey, if you used their breasts as a weak point you'd at least die a happy man.
Power girl = Super Girl basically
I know that there is people with complexs, but dammit, if you feelt inconfortable reading something, DO NOT READ IT
Blur Hikari thank you finally someone fucking gets it.
i completely agree with ya dude. The biggest point i wanna make as someone who has enjoyed comics since 9 years of age, nerds read comics!! Nerds, the guys who very rarely get to objectify women but are often humiliated by them. I know comics have grown beyond the realm of geekdom recently but the superhero's are still ours!!
lol at the Godzilla costume.
I hate how all of these feminists comics assume that the only people who write and design comics are male
A sexy Godzilla costume, because everyone has some kinks.
I would like to see more videos on this, it's fun looking at the crazy feminist shit.
I would say portraying women as sexy is a good thing, it's showing that sexy women can be badass, that they can be powerful, that they're more than objects
6 years later "I am not Starfire" got released
ARE YOU NOT FUCKING ENTERTAINED???!!!
Holy shiet! The person who drew that one with Batman, obviously know nothing of Batman. The entire point of dressing as he does is to intimidate. And he's both strong and dexterous! But you know, men can't be strong because that would be conceived as being masculine! And no one wants that, amirite? :P
Shounen for males usually and Shoujo for females usually.
Yuck
I've always liked Starfire... both in the cartoon and the comics.... the OLD comics, where she was more emotional and, well, firey then her new incarnation in the new 52.
Dang I hate Scott Lobdell....
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I just wish TJ looked into this enough to understand that it's mainly the NEW Starfire that people have a problem with. It's not just feminists, it's lots of people who feel she's a hollow shell of her former self. She's always been super sexy, but at least she used to be more of her own person. What TJ described is cool. But she's only, like, half of that, now.
NickonAquaMagna That's unfortunate, and I am not really familiar with the new incarnation, but still, I assume she has her trademark confidence, forwardness and bad assness? That still seems like a more feminist friendly character than the comparatively timid TV version. My main point that they hold her sexuality against her still holds, I think.
The Amazing Atheist Meh... not really... Sorry TJ i'm the brutally honest type. :L
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Well, yeah, unfortunately it is the sheer sex appeal that feminists are focusing on, but that one panel that satirizes how she acts, now, isn't a gross exaggeration. There's just something about her that's so weird and cold and hard to connect with. She almost feels robotic, sometimes. She's forward, but there's no real fun to it, no OOMPH, no meaning. She's just made to cater to teenage boys who don't know how to talk to girls yet and dream of some hot babe just falling into their lap like Starfire does and doing whatever they want her to.
Eh, I personally prefer the teen-titans Starfire. She's a bit cooler that way, honestly. Not that there's anything wrong with the comic-book version of Starfire, but for some reason, she just seems more enjoyable that way. Again, I'm not a feminist, but I do prefer less-humanlike characters.
One point I continuously see these feminists saying is that the amount of comics geared towards women should increase. Who's job is it to make these comics for women? People who make comic books can make whatever the heck they want, so if the majority of comic book artists are men, they will probably keep drawing what they want. So my point is, if women want female oriented comics more with depictions of men and women that are drawn to their tastes, maybe they should stop bitching about it and actually get up and take a chance in the free market, write their own comics, and try to advertise it to women. Women also have the freedom to draw whatever comics they want, so maybe instead of trying to police other people's fantasy comics, they should get off their asses and start making their own.
***** Yep. Perhaps there's a reason as to why men tend to prefer comics and women tend to prefer romance novels or movies.
Speaking of romance novels/movies, men could make the same argument about women's fantasy media of choice, and how the man is misrepresented in those. Men are usually portrayed in romance movies/novels as these chivalrous knights in shining armor who are self sacrificing to please women, whilst the women are basically allowed to be self entitled absorbers in 99% of these chick flicks. Men could say "Hey, look at the standards that are placed on men in these novels!" or "Hey, that's reinforcing gender roles and double standards!". We could make the same argument about women's romance novels.
Feminist Idea of Comic Fan: "That makes me feel uncomfortable"
REAL comic fan: "Obviously the writer is taking a tongue in cheek approach at emulating the feminine/power rations in japanese comics, DC is well known for its swipes at Japanese Mangas and their love of overly feminine males with massive super powers. Also, are you trying to make a point? I mean, if that was to make me feel uncomfortable, you might as well get Tentacles in there, since I read Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, as well as many more raunchy Manga and Fan Comics that push the boundaries of what Television could never do... Also if you want to make a point, try drawing him in the ACTUAL DC female style instead of anime, the most that annoys me is your lack of understanding of the medium."
The comic with Batman is wrong on so many levels. The writer took what she likes in a man and pretended its the same for every woman. Also there are characters like Spidey and Flash that fits her description(sort of). Even for men, certain ways women are drawn in comics aren't that sexualizing to them, because they may not like their body type, but not all men are the same and not all female comic characters are drawn the same. Bottom line, both men and women are drawn with exaggerated physiques, and in revealing and/or impossibly tight suits. In these drawings they showcase what sexualize the particular sex, like for men, the chest, abs, arms, and groin, and for women, the breast, but, legs, and hourglass figure.
That particular comic is drawn by a Dave Willis or summat -- in any case, the writer/artist is quite male.
***** I'm male and straight, but I can still tell you what male body type I would like if I were gay, so while I didn't know the writer was male, it doesn't mean I'm wrong about the writer taking what he likes and pretending as though its the same for every woman.
Batman's cape is used to look like wings, the reason he chose a bat was to use his fear of Bats to make others fear him.
Honestly these feminists are getting out of hand
2 minutes in, an I'm already ashamed to be a feminist!
***** Pssst: Egalitarian
Jayson Tadlock Psst: I drove down that road a while ago!
why are you a feminist?
MOAR feminist comics.
Most internet feminsts: "All I want to be seen as is a victim to men!"
Yeah... THAT'S not a poisonous mentality for woman to have.