Actually it's a variety of choice nothing forcing a religion that says you can't have anything you want you're forced to be like a Russian government or North Korea.
@@SKULLTHEWIZARD Killing someone is illegal in almost all countries, killing someone when it's inside of a women is not different in any way. Abortion is murder end of story.
@kyo083 No it isn't, this is just pure ignorance and forcing women against their will to give birth. I am so sick of forced birthers trying to justify their misogyny.
@kyo083 the law doesn’t recognize the fetus as human. It’s a life, but a living conscious woman’s right will always outweigh the fetus’ right which doesn’t exist.
“pro choice does not mean pro abortion” the choice to have an abortion…. you have to be favorable to the idea of an abortion in order to support someone’s right to commit it
actually, we’re indifferent to abortions. we couldn’t care less if people have them, we couldn’t care less if people don’t. all we want is the for the woman to be able to make her own choice about what she wants with her body.
@@cherinyu_ right but when you say “letting a woman make decisions about her own body” your talking about abortion so you are pro abortion i’m not even opposed to abortion but this is just a silly argument
@@showtime1235 no im not. not all women want abortions whenever they're pregnant are you stupid? nobody is pro abortion im pro women getting the choice to choose WHETHER they want an abortion or not.
Pro choice is letting the women and her doctor make the decision where as the statement pro abortion is bacically saying they want babies to die and they they are okay with pregnant mothers who had an accident and had a baby and wants it dead should do that they mean different things one is stating you should have the option especially because in most cases where women who want a abortion it’s because they are going to die if they don’t get the fetus out and abort the baby and it’s a sad thing abortion is not fun or cool it’s sad and upsetting doctors don’t show up to work like wooohoo let’s go abort some baby’s no it’s sad and you people are making it political that’s the reason for the statement pro choice rather than pro abortion
She's not being contradictory? Why are men telling women what they can and can not do with their body? Mind your business. Are you going to take care of the baby then? She's not okay with it but she understands it's her choice, it's her body. She's the one dealing with the responsibility of getting pregnant not her.
Her words, "whether she decides to abort the child" I like her honesty. So annoying people say fetus to distance themselves. Fetus is a child. Thankyou for saying that.
Or some people like to talk in medically accurate verbage; rather than, using colloquial language, which is not accurate and based on emotional connotations, that have no place in a discussion of medical science.
Pro abortion literally means: in favor of the availability of medically induced abortions as a means of ending a pregnancy. Being pro choice is pro abortion. If you have problems with calling yourself “pro abortion” it’s better you ask yourself why, and assess from there. Every human has the right to life..even the most defenseless.
@@kyleemeg2171I would say it’s wrong to use the term “pro forced birth” simply because of what people simply mean when they say that phrase. Usually what people mean by it is that they only care about the woman giving birth and after that, they don’t care, which is false when talking to people who are genuinely pro life who want to help the mother and child even after the birth. However, if someone means “pro forced birth” just as another way of saying “pro life” in the instance where being “pro life” also means helping the mother and child after birth, then you can use that term. However, the actual definition of pro abortion is simply allowing abortion to remain legal, whereas usually when using “pro forced birth” is a false equivalence, making your statement or assumption not correct.
When young women were able to better access birth control as part of their parents' insurance plans, a provision of the Affordable Care Act, the abortion rate in this age group fell by about 10 percent. That's according to a study in the Journal of Population Economics by University of Michigan researcher Joelle Abramowitz, Ph.D., who wanted to study how the young adult provision of the ACA affected how young women made decisions about starting their own families. So yes. Pro choice actually decreases abortions and saves lives of women who miscarried because the healthcare provider give immediate care instead of trying to "validate the miscarriage"..
@@crewmatewillthrowthesehand7600 pro choice increases abortion rate over being pro life. I’d have to look into your birth control claim. I assume you mean access to the pill decreases pregnancies? That’s probably true. Then ten percent is not too much. The goal is to decrease the termination of baby’s lives a lot more.
@@kw2080 no. It literally decreases abortion rates. Pro choice states have lower abortion rates than pro life states. Banning abortions only ends safe abortions, not unsafe ones. Thats why pro life states still have high abortion numbers and deaths. And it's just gonna get worse as the ban continues (like the 10 year old rape victim being refused an abortion despite the fact that she's die if she gave birth at that age). Pro choice states have more comprehensive education about the matter and over time people can avoid unwanted pregnancies so abortions are needed less and less. Just read the full explanation on Amnesty International. "Abortion rates are lower where people, including adolescents have information about and can access modern contraceptive methods and where comprehensive sexuality education is available and there is access to safe and legal abortion on broad grounds."
@@texaswildflower7535 what goal is to not derail a woman’s life? Aren’t lives derailed all the time? I am now responsible to not derail someone? Derail from what? If someone is pregnant, isn’t abortion by definition a derailment? Or do you mean derail the woman’s life from being a factory worker with no health insurance while dating a million people and dying alone in a pool of Chinese manufactured Walmart high VOC plastic? Oh that derailment? Instead of creating a life who will love her forever?
Definitely she said abort the child. I think it is healthy that she recognizes a child’s life is being terminated. That’s important that to gloss over before making the decision if someone is going to live with said decision.
@@kw2080 IKR?!? Yes, these pictures are of children. Brutally murdered children. Children formed after God’s own image and slaughtered in accordance with the laws of our land. Children who are your neighbors, your sons and daughters, and fellow human beings. We totally understand your disgust at seeing these images. We just don’t think you are disgusted enough. But we agree. We’re not fond of seeing these images either. But just look at what our apathy is allowing to occur in our so-called modern world. Consider how the institution of child sacrifice has more than ruined the days of over 55 million innocent children? That is to say… If you find these images to be depicting something so evil that high schoolers shouldn’t see them, why in the world are you not doing anything to stand against it? (You do realize that this objection is pretty flimsy given the fact that many of these teens play video games were they can put a gun to the head of another human being and pull the trigger or watch hours of TV depicting Zombies eating brains and entrails or serial killers kidnapping and torturing teenage girls). The fact that you choose to chastise us for exposing the reality of child sacrifice instead of chastising those who make a very good living off of dismembering babies, is indicative of what your priorities truly are. Babies are being dismembered down the street from your child’s high school. Some of those babies are your grandchildren. All of those babies are your neighbors. They are all real living human beings created in the image of your God, with real blood and real internal organs and real brains. We’re just showing you the pictures of what goes on in the real world…. the one you are attempting to escape from when you come against the Abolitionists of your age. But before you get all mad and leave this page in a prideful huff… consider just a few points: 1). We have chosen to employ graphic images in our work after thorough reflection and serious prayer. We have decided that if high schoolers are old enough to create children and destroy them (we see this all the time), they are old enough to see what abortion looks like and witness what they, their peers, and their parents have been doing. 2) Part of the power of abortion is that it happens behind closed doors. We know it is there, but we don’t see it, so it doesn’t touch us deep down. Just as when Nazis rounded up Jews and led them to their death in the concentration camps, people are aware that something is going on, but not having to witness the brutality of it. The Germans knew it was happening, they saw the Jews carted in. They could see the smoke and smell the burning flesh, but they didn’t see the awful condition of the Jews after they had been destroyed. It wasn’t until Allied soldiers made them walk through the camps that they shuddered inside at the true barbarism of the Nazis. And that’s what pictures of abortion do. They wake us up to the cruel, violent, barbaric, selfish bloody act that abortion truly is. Hopefully, those who still have a sliver of a conscience will realize that abortion is not only morally repugnant, but something which we ought to be focused on abolishing. 3) The abolitionists of human slavery undertook the same strategy in their efforts to expose the evil of the “peculiar institution.” They showed - in public - the shackles and chains used on slave ships, diagrams of slave ships where slaves where packed like sardines for the weeks-long voyage away from the country of their birth. Abolitionists of slavery, just like abolitionists of abortion, employ graphic imagery as part of the campaign to end the unchecked evils taking place in their midst. 4) If these preborn children are merely clumps of cells, products of conception, parts of their mothers’ bodies, why are you so upset? Is it merely the sight of blood, or is something else going on? Are you 100% sure that some part of you doesn’t know that the remains of a dead child are not the same as, say, a set of extracted wisdom teeth? 5) Just so you know… this is not all we do. Please take a look at the booklet we are handing out to students. It only contains one graphic image. The other 19 pages deal with the so-called arguments for abortion and the right to choose. We are attempting to show students that abortion is not something you just wake up and do someday, but occurs at the end of a long train of choices. Our materials therefore invite students to get off the path that leads to death and on a path which leads to life and life eternal. That is why we are upfront with them that this has everything to do with Christ. And that is why many of our signs actually don’t contain graphic imagery at all, but instead a message of reconciliation between God and man. projectfrontlines.com/ PRO CHOICE IS PRO ABORTION!
ONLY in the delusional minds of the control freaks is abortion murder SINCE there are no anti-abortion laws which would trigger murder charges. Stop lying
Doesn't matter bro... U talk like death penalties r murders... Smash a dozon of eggs r mass genocide and just removing some cells from the body is murder cux it has the potential to be a human 💀... Like every single cell's neuclious can make a whole human being
it’s cute that you think pro choice is wrong when it’s the only right option, you are so goddamn stupid it’s laughable oh and btw, we are all murderers, from ants to plants you and me and all of us have taken life, you’re not a better person, i’m not too, we are all humans, we all are far from good, but at least one should always have a choice. case closed.
You’re misunderstanding the meaning of what she’s saying, you can not like abortions while still understanding that it’s sometimes the right thing to do
She's saying you should support someone in their decision to kill their own child. That's not a mischaracterization. That's literally what she is saying.
You make the decision as a woman whether you get pregnant or not choosing to abort is no different than a dad abandoning a child every human has the right to life
Humans only have a right to life to a certain extent. No one has an absolute, unconditional right to life. Not in law, not in ethics, and not in practice. For instance, our society doesn’t demand that one person sacrifice their body to sustain another’s. Even a person who desperately needs a life-saving organ transplant has no right to take that organ from someone else, not even if it means they’ll die without it. Your right to life ends where someone else’s bodily autonomy begins.
Real support for a friend isn’t telling them whatever they want to feel in the moment and validating every feeling. You have to be there for them and tell them the hard truth, while using grace. They’ll thank you in the end.
U can advise them and tell them the consequences, But if they didn't change their mind and stand with their decision until the end u don't have the right to stop them
A real friend talks to her about her options before she decides to get an abortion. I truly believe that you must persuade your friend that if she gets an abortion that there are emotional consequences. Abortion can create a horrible traumatic experience for the rest of your life.
““Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”” Jeremiah 1:5 ESV
@@julialostetter8855 God won't violate human free will,even if the outcome is brutal,in the end..All those of God shall stay with God,and those away from God such as all those pro abortion people shall see eternity in hell away from God
If you think that the Bible is against abortion and against child murder, you clearly don't read the Bible. Exodus 21:22-25, numbers 5:11-31, deuteromony 28:18,53 Hosea 9:10-16, mathew 24:19, hosea 13:10, 2nd kings 15:16
@@Claudiugh10If you think that the Bible is against abortion and against child murder, you clearly don't read the Bible. Exodus 21:22-25, numbers 5:11-31, deuteromony 28:18,53 Hosea 9:10-16, mathew 24:19, hosea 13:10, 2nd kings 15:16
I appreciate the logic in the statement. Pro-choice is not pro-abortion, it’s about having the right to choose whether or not you want an abortion. If you do not believe in having one or would never do it yourself, that’s great, no one’s forcing you do get one. But there is a difference between having a belief and forcing that belief on other people. There are several scenarios in which a woman may become accidentally pregnant: among the few are failed contraception, rape, and incest. A human capable of having a child should not have their life derailed in the chance that they become pregnant at a time of emotion, financial, or physical crisis. Have your own opinion, but don’t make others have to share it too.
@@isobelfox5973 In that statement you are correct, as ending the life of a baby is considered murder in the eyes of the law. In pregnancies, however, the fetus is simply a fetus: a growing bundle of cells that has the potential to become a life.
@@mari8789 A fetus is literally a baby not just a "bunch of cells" that's a prochoice desperate attempt to dehumanize the unborn. If the bundle of cells is a right characterization then that should applicable even outside the womb because you are still a bundle of cells. Form doesn't equal life
You don’t have to support the persons decision but you should support the right to make it. The world isn’t black and white and if those decisions don’t affect you then why does it matter. I’m also an advocate for legalizing drug use (while expanding education and prevention that has proven to reduce societal use) and prostitution (which reduces sex trafficking and creates safer environments for sex workers). It’s not as if these things will go away if we just make it illegal and push it under the rug. The only case of anti abortion people that I understand is not having to fund clinics with their taxes that they morally object to. In that case just specify when voting or doing taxes by checking off that you won’t be donating. Simple and done.
The fact that "pro-choicers" don't even want to be called a name that says they agree with abortion should tell us that even they know abortion isn't good. Why would you have a problem being called "pro-abortion" if you think abortion is fine. It would be like a pro-lifer having a problem being called "pro-birth". Yeah, we advocate that every baby deserves a chance to be born, so it checks out. Meanwhile, pro-choice are literally advocating that every women should have the right to abortion, thus you are "pro-abortion".
Then please hook yourself up to a person who'll pass without your body supplying their nutrients for nine months. Then we might buy your argument. It's easy to tell others what to do when you're not affected by the consequences of said decisions. Otherwise, mind your own reproduction!
@@mattewclubb5882 detaching a fetus from my body isn't choosing who lives or doesn't. It's God's will if the fetus isn't viable. I don't owe anyone my body or bodily fluids.
@@kaybrown7733 if it’s your body that would mean you have 2 hearts, 2 brains, 8 limbs, 4 kidneys, and 20 fingers, it’s not your body, not your choice who exists in this world.
If being pro- choice is not pro- abortion then what is pro- choice supporting? Because it's definitely not pro-life. If you're pro-choice you're pro-abortion stop going around. Now if you say if you're pro-life you're anti- choice that's perfectly fine with me because I'd rather be anti- choice then pro murder 💯
Being pro-choice but not pro-abortion is completely valid. It's keeping the rights for woman to choose. Pro-choice believe in allowing the choice to do whatever you want regardless of what you believe. While Pro-life is forcing woman to keep the child whether they like it or not.
@La Chingona ✨ I don't consider it murder at all, and that's why this debate will be never ending. This is why if you don't want to "murder" it, don't. That's your choice. Each to their own.
@@anuttra4577 so you're ok with women eaching their own with killing their child?? Man this country is in trouble. Abortion is literally a modern child sacrifice and if you continue to fail to realize that and how disturbing and sick it is then idk what to tell you.
@@x.lamaschingonaa_ to be considered murder it needs to have full bodily autonomy..... Living off of someone else's organs to survive is not the same thing as being a born , living and breathing human. We perform abortions for all kinds of medical reasons and not one of them is classified as a murder.
The choice is to be able to abort. It's 100 percent exclusively advocating for abortion. That's what the debate is about. No one is talking about your choice to give birth. That the one thing everyone can agree on.
@@galaxywolf8444 ever hear of those consenting cannibal contracts? Yeah…your sentiment is a nice bumper sticker but you might want to think deeply about it. Edited for spelling 😭
Who's gonna tell them that pro-life states have higher numbers of dead mothers because women don't get care fast enough because hospital will not give immediate treatment. Not only that, higher percentage of teen mothers.
how the fuck is abortion even on the same level as slavery!? slavery is owning a living, breathing, independent human being while the fetus is codependent on its mother and literally cannot survive by itself outside the womb. it’s not a fucking human until it’s fucking born.
Being Pro Choice is also being Pro Abortion. People are just using the term pro choice as a euphemism for pro abortion. Yes I understand that if you are pro choice a.k.a pro abortion doesn’t mean that you will get abortion for yourself, and with that Being Pro Abortion doesn’t mean that you will get abortion for yourself. Pro choice is allowing women to have choice over their body as well a their fetuses, and with that you are agreeing for what ever what they want to do such as having an abortion. There for, you are also Pro Abortion. Just admit and be straightforward, theres nothing wrong if you are pro abortion as long as youre not doing it with yourself
“Just be there for them” and let them do whatever the fuck they want without regards to morality or the resulting aftermath. That’s love guys. So when you see someone doing something so stupid and just so wrong, don’t try to educate them or stop them. Just be there for them.
She knows what she's doing when she considered abortion. All she said is that instead of demonizing your friend for having an abortion, be there for them during the procedural. That's the biggest comfort they could ask for then.
You are only allowed to stick your nose in someones’s family planning when you’re consulted with by them. If you want to stop someone from getting an abortion, the least you can do is to provide all sorts of support for the parents and the unplanned/unwanted baby for the rest of their life, including adopting the baby by yourself. Otherwise, you should kindly shut the f up.
Just be there for them when they're selling themselves to slavery, just be there for them when they're asking doctors to cut off their limbs, just be there for them when they want to kill their child. All of it is utterly inane and illogical
you have to think about the fact that both the mother and the child suffers if the baby is unwanted. sure she shouldve not gotten herself pregnant but telling her to face her consequences (by now taking care of the baby) isn't a 100% guarantee she wil do her best. especially when the child was not wanted. in the end the baby and the mother suffers
Girl so many factors educate your self and take and cure your embarrassing ignorance away from this conversation. Rape victims. Sometimes the baby will die anyways ( told by doctors at appointments) and can lead to fatal infections to the mother )so please educate yourself before posting such narcissistic one-minded view of such a grave opinion.
I support anyone who makes whats best for them. Everyone deserves happiness. The same people responding me are the same people that were never assaulted,will never experience pregnancy,didnt go through trauma and depression,the same ones dont care about actual lives.
@@Anonymous72824O hypocrite is word to define you guys acting like care but you don’t really care. “Let them do what they want do” “ woman’s right” sounds cool but when you know the consequence is following, if you truely love and care then you will tell the truth to prevent such a terrible decision. Abortion is killing babies and it’s murder. It has defined as human-being and you are the one who rejects that in the name of right of woman, in fact it’s not the right for woman, it’s just someone murders their own child for their convenience. If you don’t see how it’s cruel and gone so wrong, you have the reprobated mind. You want to have sex before marriage, giving your body to sex a lot of men like prostitute and don’t want to take your responsibility. That’s what is all about. You may not see the consequence right now but soon will see and it will be too late.
@@ttjkjbggnskkdjj do you know what the meaning of hypocrite? Hypocrite is someone who tells don’t such things then he does same thing in behind. In this case I will be a hypocrite If I say don’t kill your baby then I kill my baby. So am I hypocrite? Answer is “No”. You don’t even know what hypocrite means and telling me a hypocrite lol. Stop embarrassing yourself of lack of knowledge.
Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion but pro-abortion means pro-choice. Draw a Ben diagram. Since pro-life is against pro-choice, it is meaningless that pro-choice is not pro-abortion.
Louder for the disgusting people who would never consider adopting from the foster system and are okay with unborn babies having to go through the system 👊
@@drincoherent4859 not just the right to live, they have the right to live in a guaranteed comfortable, safe, loving family environment accessibility to all their needs for the first 18 years of their life.
So basically your saying “ kill it don’t kill it it’s not my decision so I don’t care?” There’s nothing good about abortion it is sick and mortifying! Anyone who does it will live with some pretty crappy regrets!
So forcing someone to give birth and potentially killing them is not sick and mortifying? You prolifers are so confused that it's sad. You expect someone to get raped, get pregnant, deal with pregnancy, give birth (and suffer excruciating pain), then deal with postpartum, and we are the evil ones? Yall are the same people who enjoy seeing pregnant 13 year old and forcing them to continue on with the pregnancy. Yall are sick and disgusting. Abortion is not the same thing as murder, but yall don't know how to argue, because that's all yall say. "Abortion is murder, Abortion is murder". Are you telling me the baby's life is more important than the woman/girl who's carrying it? You're a monster.
You are more likely to regret a knee replacement than an abortion. Abortion has very very low regrets. Like dude, how is someone gonna regret a clump of cells that come out in a heavy period? They know what they want, you let people make their own decisions.
Being pro choice but saying you’re not pro abortion is true. There pro choicers who are anti abortion personally, and while you may be personally opposed you are complicit since you are in favor of keeping, retaining and even expanding the unnecessary killing of babies.
Because they literally CANNOT get your consent and ask you if its okay if they create you. How is this not easy enough for a 5 year old to understand?!?! Seriously, WTH is wrong with people today?
@@bogartmotomoto8222it supports the CHOICE to have an abortion, not the abortion itself. If abortions were totally illegal people would still find ways to perform the procedure unsafely. Therefore, having a CHOICE ensures that in special circumstances the procedure can be performed by medical professionals.
Pro (legal) abortion. Its assumed that both sides of the discussion don't like illegal abortions, as they are in general dangerous to the pregnant person. If you are in opposition to the side which is NOT for abortion, what side are you for? The prefix pro means to be for.
It's crazy that people see abortion as murder. It saves lives including the lives of the mother. I can guarantee that none of the people like that in the comments are medical practitioners
Being pro choice is allowing a person to make stupid decisions, if you are not a rape victim it's not a choice it is a shield from responsibility of actions.
we already have enough overpopulation and children in the foster system. We don’t need any more, especially from stressed mothers who don’t want a child. getting rid of a responsibility isn’t irresponsible, it’s knowing your limits and what’s best for you.
Bare in mind that the mother wants to save both her and the child. But is unable too. This was never an issue because mothers wanted the babies. Today its an issue because mothers dont want they babies hence 98% of abortions are just unwanted pregnancies
Saying that you are pro-choice means that you won't stand against murdering a living being. Life is a continuous chain and intervention at any time after conception achieves the same result - it deprives a person of their future - this is abortion's stated objective. We all MUST protect our children - starting from conception.
@@galaxywolf8444 First, please make good choices so that you do not get into a situation where you have to consider these choices. Abortion harms the mother as well as the child - it will affect you the rest of your life. Focus on being the best person that you can be. Always strive to improve yourself and you will create good opportunities. You can have a great future for yourself - CREATE IT. I sincerely hope that you soar in life.
@@panhandlejake6200So that was a yes to galaxywolfs question? WOW you are gross, hope your children or grandchildren never have to carry in a situation like that because it’s obviously clear YOU wouldn’t protect or help anyone, just tell them to suck it up and hope for the best, what a load of 💩
"Pro-Choice" is NOT Pro-Abortion. The term for Pro-Abortion should be Pro-Dismemberment & Drowning. It's not REALLY Pro-Choice because the BABY has no say & it's not your body being dismembered babies deserve protection & love, & if it was your body being dismembered you chose to brutally murder yourself that is different, but it is BABY's body so yes it is in your body but the choice can be to give birth to your baby early preemie & the baby be taken care of with the utmost tender loving care, NOT be brutally murdered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A baby is weak, but will GROW into a strong adult, & even if they turn out bad, DO NOT MURDER!!!!!!!!! "KEEP THE CHILD OR DISMEMBER/DROWN THE CHILD" No you have four choices: Give baby up for adoption, give birth, drop baby off at police station, or when you give birth tell the nurses take care of it, the nurses should care for your helpless baby & then the baby will be placed with a loving family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So let's stop saying Pro-Choice & start saying Pro-Dismemberment & Drowning!!!!!!!!!! & "Pro-Choicers" are TERRORISTS to the weakest people in the world TINY DEFENSELESS BABIES big enough to fit in your hand!!!!!!!!!!!! PICK ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE!!!!!!!!!! LITERAL AUTISTIC PERSPECTIVE THE STRONG ADULTS SHOULD PROTECT THE WEAK BABIES, NOT HURT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!🔥♥️ #babysbody #babyschoice #notyourbody #thebloodofbabiescriesout
#mybodymyrules A baby and a grown human with a choice are two different things, A baby cannot say “I wanna live” that’s stupid. And the adoption system is worse then most things on this planet.
Why do people like this never admit that they’re pro-abortion? Bc they know inherently killing a child is wrong. You should be proudly screaming that you’re pro-abortion if you think there’s nothing wrong with it.
The way this is phrased avoids the main topic of does a fetus(offspring) have the right to live. Being pro life and had my cousin have an abortion I would never shun her for the experience that she had to go through being told that a child is just a clump of cells and killing a child without knowing that it was one. At no point is pro life trying to not support women through hard times, it is simply not allowing for the ending of innocent life.
She has no idea what she's saying.... worst friend is the one that always agrees with you with literally anything, a true friend would guide you... not let u fall into your own dillusional world, I hope no one listens to this woman's advice because she might sound smart but she's just very confident in saying things she has no idea of.
True and that’s why this is a rule and basically a pillar of Islam to tell anyone the good ways and prevent from wrong ways based on the morals of humanity and religion . Proud to be Muslim
No, good friends do not push their values and ethics onto you. Good friends will listen to you, understand you and your situation, sympathize with you, suffer with you, and make a decision together/ help make a decision. Yes, you’re correct it’s a bad friend if someone agrees with you no matter what. However, it seems to me that you have little clue how people make a decision around abortions and how things can be easily super complicated in real life. The argument of abortions shouldn’t be black or white. We have to look for a middle ground.
@@bogartmotomoto8222 So you say you judge your friends solely base on the action and do not consider any of the circumstances they’re in? Plus, just our of curiosity but why people have only women to be blamed? Men should be held accountable as much as women, if not more considering how much women would have to go through mentally and physically.
If it's a "child", (as YOU put it) you're deciding to "keep" it or "murder" it. You can call it abortion if that helps you sleep at night, but I prefer my friends to not be murderers.
@@Auggie426 it doesn't matter if it has a heartbeat regardless. plants have heartbeats too. that doesn't mean it's called murder when someone eats them.
Yes " pro - choice " absolutely does mean " pro - abortion." Darkness and evil can not exist in the same place, at the same time, with goodness and light.
@@thejabberwocky2819 Not " sorry " for knowing we live in an upside - down world, where evil is good, darkness is light, and vice is virtue. And that the willful murder of an unborn innocent child is praised and defended as " health care ", or a " right " or anything other than what it is. A vile abomination before Almighty God.
@@johnnyzeee5215 We don't. We live in a time where we fight less wars, where less murders happen per capita, where more people donate to charity, where people live longer lives at higher qualities. You've just been brainwashed by your death cult into an apocalyptic catatonic state. 1. Abortion doesn't match either definition of murder 2. Women deserve equal rights to everyone else, meaning no one should have the right to use their body against their will, even to save their life. Abortion is by definition health care. Your God is a fairy tale.
Indeed, we pro-choice are pro-abortion as long as the abortion is the woman's choice. If the woman decides to keep the pregnancy, then we are against abortion. As simple as that.
@@heathboyle2054 If I said I want to go kill an elementary school child, should that simply be my “choice”? No, that should not be a choice, it should be banned and not allowed.
Not all pro-life people are religious. Some of us have biological and philosophical reasons to be pro-life, but I know for the average pro-abortionists like yourself this is a difficult concept to understand.
fr they’re like “it’s the same thing, youre saying women should have the right to get an abortion, therefore you’re a pro-abortion!!🥺🥺” we ARE TIRED of giving them kindergartener understanding of definitions so they could see the difference between choice and abortion
@@antonypereira1098 for them not to kill the baby? Y’all try to justify abortion by saying that “oH iTs nOt aLiVe yEt” or “iTs NoT hUmAn yEt” it’s human. It’s alive. Cells=alive, compounds and elements do not = alive. Simple science. Your literally killing a baby, ripping it apart or giving it the lethal injection used on *death row.* it’s disgusting and sad that people think this should be a right.
When it refers to the context of terminating an innocent life, it IS abortion. Abortion means ABANDONMENT. Abortion only occurs when a woman ABANDONS the innocent, regardless of the reason for the abortion. That's why the Faithful and True are the only ones lifted up, and the ones for Death and Abandonment, get left behind, as they wished for others... For, you do for others, what you would have them do for you. Be careful of these ways. They can come back on you in the next life time. No one understands the error of their ways until the Living Spirit holds them to account when it imposes their own ways back to them. So, if you support abortion, well... remember, do unto others, what you would have the Most High Creator to do unto you. Everyone is helpless when they're dying, even if they die peacefully of old age. Question is, when they cry out, who will answer? An answer is guaranteed for everyone who helped to put an end to the ways of death and promotes and helps to build up life and the living.
No that is not Pro abortion. Pro choice allows birth or abortion. Pro Abortion does not allow birth which forces abortion. However I would definitely try to convince a girl to not have an abortion unless she has a rare medical condition which in that case i say it is up to you.
@@thehumblepuppy4488 I honestly think if you want a kid, or are even going to have s*x, you must be willing to have a child and be willing that in a rare case it might come to death.
@@thehumblepuppy4488 pro life also allows birth lol. No one is prohibiting to that. Everything in Life is a matter of choiiiice. I think people taking the choice in “pro choice” verryy literraalll. Pro choice movement support of having an abortion. Thats make you pro abortion.
If you aren't pro-slavery, then you should be pro-choice, cause otherwise you are pro-gestational slavery, which was a major aspect of slavery to begin with. The violation of bodily autonomy is a major pillar of what makes something slavery. Therefore, being anti-choice is pro-gestational slavery.
I know abortion is not forced upon the woman. The fact that abortion is an option makes it pro-abortion. Pro-choice is the right to choose abortion. It is pro-abortion
@@thejabberwocky2819 i do agree that if a woman is not ready/fit to take care of a baby, she shouldn't have to. there's other options than just abortion. we need to put more safety and security for children in the foster care/adoption agencies. we need more support systems for the pregnant mothers. if this was simply about having a choice of taking responsibility of a baby or not to, then why not fix the issues with our systems? why not create programs that support the mother mentally and physically? why not have more strict policies and harsher punishments on foster care parents that abuses children in their care?
@@Spinach_hater The issue here is not simply whether she is ready/fit to care for a baby, but whether it's moral to force her to have a baby against her will. Consider: no living human has the right to another person's body, even to save their life. Why should fetuses have special rights no one else has? I won't disagree that we need better support systems. So why is it that forced birthers are normally the strongest opposition to such systems, given that they tend to fall on the right side of the political spectrum? The correct approach is extensive sex ed, freely available birth control, and legal abortions. This minimizes the number of abortions that will happen while not removing a right from women that everyone else has uninterrupted.
@@thejabberwocky2819 I do agree that no living human has the right to another human’s body. That human fetus is another human body just a different stage/development. Why should other person choose to have that small person in the womb die?
@@Spinach_hater You've got it reversed. The fetus needs the mothers body to survive - so why should it have the right to ignore its mothers rights to live?
this conversation is garbage. I'm not supporting people in killing other (potential) people. And it doesn't matter if it's 'potential' or not, because I can still make a factual case for potential life to have the same value as life: a person in a coma with no memories after coming out of the coma should not be stabbed to death while in coma, ESPECIALLY if you know that person would escape the coma after nine months. This case has moral equivalency of that of a baby not yet born. So this conversation is garbage.
Exactly. They are just using pro choice as a euphemism for abortion. They could just say, im pro abortion but i wouldn’t get abortion for myself. Thats it . Period.
@@iamthesenate8825 Its true that there were instances that the mother could die because of pregnancy however, we cannot deny that vast majority of abortions happen is not because of the mother’s health, but because the baby is unwanted or the family is not financially stable. Here’s the thing. Pro Life pregnancy centers are existing-in which the mother and the child will gonna have a treatment. There were instances where the baby must deliver early because its no longer compatible to the mother so the doctor has to remove the fetus from the womb in order to treat the mother and the child (while it is in incubator). These cases are rare. so rare. And this is not abortion. A mother could die due to her health if she continue her pregnancy so the doctor must to perform this kind of surgery (CS not abortion). there were instances that the mother is the only one who could survive and the premature child could die in incubator and first of all, that is tragic however That is not the same thing as ABORTION because the INTENTION of the doctor is to SAVE the life of a mother and a child. To treat them equally. The doctor did not intentionally DISMEMBER the child in order to kill it and that is the job of ABORTIONIST, is to kill intentionally the child before it was born. Intention Matters
@@bogartmotomoto8222 I can see ur arguement and I can 100% agree that abortions shouldn't be given on the whim and should consider the life of the child to but beyond that, the morale values may differ from person to person also though the pregnancies that cause death are a small percentage, of a world with billions of poeple living in it, there are a million of mothers dying because of pregnancy also it is very expensive to put a child in an incubator, depending on the family's expenses they may not be able to help the child live because they can't afford to.
Here's my opinion: A fetus may be alive but they're not conscious. They don't even know that they're alive, which means they don't even realise when they're killed. They don't feel pain. Life begins when the fetus develops brain activity after 4 to 5 weeks. Before then, it's not a person. It's just a fertilised egg. A clump of cells. There is no real consequence to killing a fetus. Think of the circumstances when a woman wants to get an abortion. Imagine if you have a daughter and she gets raped. Would you force your own daughter to carry and deliver the rapist's baby whose not even a human yet? Think of the psychological torture your daughter would have to endure. What if there is a pregnancy complication that would endanger your daughters life? Do you value the life of a fetus (lack there of) than the life of your own daughter?
So true im pro choice and its not like im yelling at all my friends to get an abortion i let them have them choice thats why its call pro choice if they don’t want it i have no problem if they want it i have again no problem its so stupid that women have to fight for their rights
Pro choice can mean anything such as letting a father force himself on his kindergarten son oe pro choice as in let the baby have the right to like as abortionis taking away their choices
In other words, being pro choice (support the right to choose abortion or not) is not the same saying pro abortion (support abortion). Can we say that about r4p3 too? Pro choice to r4p3 isn’t the same as pro r4p3? Pro means support. Support the choice of abortion is still supporting abortion indirectly. I’m sure there are some things in our human life that you will never support, but to choose the right to choose to perform it, you’d see that as a support also, but we fail to apply this principle in this topic. 🤦🏾♂️
She knows what she's doing when she's considering abortion. All she said is that instead of demonizing your friend for her choice, be there for them. You've seen mauve's situation in sex education. This is a very critical moment. Accompany them to the clinic if you can :)
For those who only speak English but somehow fail to understand English sentences, what they mean is that “Being pro-choice doesn’t mean that they’re all for terminating pregnancy. They just reasonably understand that there are situations where parents would want/need to have an abortion and taking away that option would never solve any real-life issues.”
@@millennialodyssey5956 you can emotionally support a friend without promoting or encouraging their abortion. If their mind is decided, telling them they're murdering a child will help nothing. It's not an easy process and traumatizing for many people. Being aggressive and unsupportive will only bring harm to the people around us.
@@millennialodyssey5956 you don’t have to like the idea of abortion to be in favor of women’s rights about having abortion, that is pro-choice. When you celebrate the idea of abortion, that is pro-abortion. You speak English, right? I don’t know why you can’t tell the difference.
@@roach2420 repeat what you just said in any other context and you’d be cancelled…. My best friend wants to rape a girl, I don’t agree, but he’s decided. I’m not going to berate him and try to stop him because I don’t want him to suffer mentally with my seeming betrayal. I’m going to stand by and support his choice and when he’s accused I’ll be there in court fighting for his release…. Wait…. My friend wants to off themselves and well I don’t want to hurt them by trying to talk them out of it or getting them help as best as I can. I’m going to go with them to procure their preferred method and even help research. I’m going to hold their hand, I’m going to make sure no one else knows not even their parents or significant other. I’m going to support them in that. When people find out and think I’m insane or pushed them into it I’ll fight for their decision made during a dark point when they technically can’t consent due to mental anguish as some say…. Hmm….. Do you see how reckless and dangerous that logic is??? I’ve been in the situation where a friend of mine instead of taking care of the two kids she had went and slept and had an affair with someone and got pregnant. Because she wanted to hurt the father of her kids. She wasn’t a crappy mother but in that moment she wasn’t mentally well and made a shit choice. I never talked crap and bullies her but I didn’t let her live in denial and I helped her deal with the aftermath. When she found out she was pregnant she told me she wanted an abortion and wanted me to fo with her. I refused because she knew how I felt about it. I didn’t argue with her but by me not giving her 100% she ghosted me and said I was a shit friend. Even though I paid the rent and bills on an apartment I let her and her kids stay in for 4 months. Without interest or any type of get back. You know what happened a year later when she unblocked me??? She was crying all over Facebook and dealing with worse mental health because that abortion destroyed her. She admitted she made a poor choice and wished someone had talked her out of it but no one cared enough about her. You’re really kind of sick. A lot of pro life women have had at least one and up to 5 abortions themselves. So cut the crap please. You’re pro abortion not choice. This has nothing to do with choice because it it did there would be informed consent and people lie too much for that as we see.
Please read because I put a lot of thought into this. I wonder why pregnancies are given to an individual woman. The pregnancy is not given to her mother, sister, significant other,best friend, minister,doctor or a stranger. It’s her and her Makers pregnancy. Why?? Because her body and mind were chosen to make those decisions. What I’m saying may go over some people’s heads. A law deciding on how you or I should do something is not acceptable EVER. It’s a power trip, it’s attempted control, it’s saying that a law can decide body choices for us. What if it became mandatory to have your appendix removed by age 15 because someone in government had to have theirs removed? This could apply to many decisions that weren’t your decision about your body. It must stop. I bet you if every male had to be circumcised by 21…. Oh heck it wouldn’t even be a topic would it??😂 Remember you were given jurisdiction over your body and you and your Maker decide what they are.PERIOD.
to all pro-lifers, it's just a question, have you ever given birth and faced the consequences from workplace or society and worst symptoms of pregnancy? if yes then, do you think that being a mother would be an achievement for women?
@@danieljakes5949 yeah we do. but women still get pregnant because there are cases of condoms breaking, doesn’t matter anyways because they aren’t babies.
It's bad. But the innocent human being in the womb did nothing wrong and doesn't deserve the death penalty for the crimes of its father. Let's increase protections for women by improving police reporting and investigation, so abusers can be caught and prosecuted. Let's get better facilities for women to seek preventative care and councilling after they've been victimised. Let's get engaged in charities and services to help women pay for early childcare costs. In other words, let's be compassionate and supportive. But let's not take it out on the baby.
You just described someone who is pro-abortion.
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Wahahhahahaha saur true
@Legionaru Emanuel yes lol
Actually it's a variety of choice nothing forcing a religion that says you can't have anything you want you're forced to be like a Russian government or North Korea.
@@SKULLTHEWIZARD Killing someone is illegal in almost all countries, killing someone when it's inside of a women is not different in any way. Abortion is murder end of story.
God these comments are cancer. Allowing a woman to choose what she does with her body isn't forced abortion.
Agree😊
@kyo083 No it isn't, this is just pure ignorance and forcing women against their will to give birth. I am so sick of forced birthers trying to justify their misogyny.
@kyo083 She can choose whether or not her body can provide sustenance for said embryo/fetus. Without her womb, the embryo/fetus dies.
@@sasquatch8268 And without the mother, a newborn cannot survive on its own. So killing a newborn should be alright by your logic
@kyo083 the law doesn’t recognize the fetus as human. It’s a life, but a living conscious woman’s right will always outweigh the fetus’ right which doesn’t exist.
We live in times where something wrong is considered a right
Reckoning will come to those who call good evil and call evil good, either it will come from others or from themselves
@@newtonia-uo4889 That's a ton of copium.
BASED! GIGACHAD!
It is a right.
Just because something feels wrong to you, doesn’t make the deed inherently wrong.
“pro choice does not mean pro abortion”
the choice to have an abortion…. you have to be favorable to the idea of an abortion in order to support someone’s right to commit it
actually, we’re indifferent to abortions. we couldn’t care less if people have them, we couldn’t care less if people don’t. all we want is the for the woman to be able to make her own choice about what she wants with her body.
Not necessarily. You just have to be open to the reality of other people seeing things differently than you.
@@cherinyu_ right but when you say “letting a woman make decisions about her own body” your talking about abortion
so you are pro abortion
i’m not even opposed to abortion but this is just a silly argument
@@showtime1235 no im not. not all women want abortions whenever they're pregnant are you stupid? nobody is pro abortion im pro women getting the choice to choose WHETHER they want an abortion or not.
@@showtime1235 exactly! Thank you. Does the woman even know what the heck she is talking about. Lol.
That's pro abortion lol. As far as I'm aware pro abortion is for the choice of abortion. It's the same thing.
Yeah, because moralists changed the term pro-choice to pro-abortion. But if the woman don't want to abort, we're anti-abortion too.
@@raquelpardal5343 Anti abortion by definition is wanting abortion to be illegal. So no you are not.
If you force an abortion on a woman who don't want it, that's illegal too.
How can someone be this contradictory and not even realize about that?
Pro choice is letting the women and her doctor make the decision where as the statement pro abortion is bacically saying they want babies to die and they they are okay with pregnant mothers who had an accident and had a baby and wants it dead should do that they mean different things one is stating you should have the option especially because in most cases where women who want a abortion it’s because they are going to die if they don’t get the fetus out and abort the baby and it’s a sad thing abortion is not fun or cool it’s sad and upsetting doctors don’t show up to work like wooohoo let’s go abort some baby’s no it’s sad and you people are making it political that’s the reason for the statement pro choice rather than pro abortion
It’s a woman
@@Bad_Temperstop being misogyistic.
She's not being contradictory? Why are men telling women what they can and can not do with their body? Mind your business. Are you going to take care of the baby then? She's not okay with it but she understands it's her choice, it's her body. She's the one dealing with the responsibility of getting pregnant not her.
Because they’re women
Her words, "whether she decides to abort the child" I like her honesty. So annoying people say fetus to distance themselves. Fetus is a child. Thankyou for saying that.
Facts, man👏
Nah, poor choice of words means nothing. You wanna protect the kids? Adopt the ones in foster care, you hypocritical piece of shit
Or some people like to talk in medically accurate verbage; rather than, using colloquial language, which is not accurate and based on emotional connotations, that have no place in a discussion of medical science.
For millions it was nothing but biohazard waste 💯💯
@@cielonehellofaservicedog4648 "colloquial language" Until you're using instances of rape as an argument to justify the rest of the 99%.
Pro abortion literally means: in favor of the availability of medically induced abortions as a means of ending a pregnancy. Being pro choice is pro abortion. If you have problems with calling yourself “pro abortion” it’s better you ask yourself why, and assess from there.
Every human has the right to life..even the most defenseless.
Well said 🤙
they havent foremed a societal adjusting to the world becuase they ar not morally human and do not feel things
Well if that’s the case, then being pro-life is really just being pro-forced birth.
@@happy_duck_lolcan you explain what it means to be morally human?
@@kyleemeg2171I would say it’s wrong to use the term “pro forced birth” simply because of what people simply mean when they say that phrase. Usually what people mean by it is that they only care about the woman giving birth and after that, they don’t care, which is false when talking to people who are genuinely pro life who want to help the mother and child even after the birth. However, if someone means “pro forced birth” just as another way of saying “pro life” in the instance where being “pro life” also means helping the mother and child after birth, then you can use that term. However, the actual definition of pro abortion is simply allowing abortion to remain legal, whereas usually when using “pro forced birth” is a false equivalence, making your statement or assumption not correct.
Being there for someone, means being sure they are educated about what they are doing and having good information.
When young women were able to better access birth control as part of their parents' insurance plans, a provision of the Affordable Care Act, the abortion rate in this age group fell by about 10 percent.
That's according to a study in the Journal of Population Economics by University of Michigan researcher Joelle Abramowitz, Ph.D., who wanted to study how the young adult provision of the ACA affected how young women made decisions about starting their own families.
So yes. Pro choice actually decreases abortions and saves lives of women who miscarried because the healthcare provider give immediate care instead of trying to "validate the miscarriage"..
@@crewmatewillthrowthesehand7600 pro choice increases abortion rate over being pro life. I’d have to look into your birth control claim. I assume you mean access to the pill decreases pregnancies? That’s probably true. Then ten percent is not too much. The goal is to decrease the termination of baby’s lives a lot more.
The goal is for the woman's life to not be derailed. Also, not forcing tax payers/ society be burdened, negatively affected. ?
@@kw2080 no. It literally decreases abortion rates. Pro choice states have lower abortion rates than pro life states. Banning abortions only ends safe abortions, not unsafe ones. Thats why pro life states still have high abortion numbers and deaths. And it's just gonna get worse as the ban continues (like the 10 year old rape victim being refused an abortion despite the fact that she's die if she gave birth at that age). Pro choice states have more comprehensive education about the matter and over time people can avoid unwanted pregnancies so abortions are needed less and less.
Just read the full explanation on Amnesty International.
"Abortion rates are lower where people, including adolescents have information about and can access modern contraceptive methods and where comprehensive sexuality education is available and there is access to safe and legal abortion on broad grounds."
@@texaswildflower7535 what goal is to not derail a woman’s life? Aren’t lives derailed all the time? I am now responsible to not derail someone? Derail from what? If someone is pregnant, isn’t abortion by definition a derailment? Or do you mean derail the woman’s life from being a factory worker with no health insurance while dating a million people and dying alone in a pool of Chinese manufactured Walmart high VOC plastic? Oh that derailment? Instead of creating a life who will love her forever?
bruh am i the only one who heard her say abort the CHILD??
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Definitely she said abort the child. I think it is healthy that she recognizes a child’s life is being terminated. That’s important that to gloss over before making the decision if someone is going to live with said decision.
@@kw2080 she condones the death of a child. That’s a criminal mind set.
Glad she chose to responsibly abort
@@kw2080 IKR?!? Yes, these pictures are of children. Brutally murdered children.
Children formed after God’s own image and slaughtered in accordance with the laws of our land. Children who are your neighbors, your sons and daughters, and fellow human beings.
We totally understand your disgust at seeing these images. We just don’t think you are disgusted enough.
But we agree. We’re not fond of seeing these images either. But just look at what our apathy is allowing to occur in our so-called modern world. Consider how the institution of child sacrifice has more than ruined the days of over 55 million innocent children?
That is to say… If you find these images to be depicting something so evil that high schoolers shouldn’t see them, why in the world are you not doing anything to stand against it? (You do realize that this objection is pretty flimsy given the fact that many of these teens play video games were they can put a gun to the head of another human being and pull the trigger or watch hours of TV depicting Zombies eating brains and entrails or serial killers kidnapping and torturing teenage girls).
The fact that you choose to chastise us for exposing the reality of child sacrifice instead of chastising those who make a very good living off of dismembering babies, is indicative of what your priorities truly are.
Babies are being dismembered down the street from your child’s high school. Some of those babies are your grandchildren. All of those babies are your neighbors. They are all real living human beings created in the image of your God, with real blood and real internal organs and real brains.
We’re just showing you the pictures of what goes on in the real world…. the one you are attempting to escape from when you come against the Abolitionists of your age.
But before you get all mad and leave this page in a prideful huff… consider just a few points:
1). We have chosen to employ graphic images in our work after thorough reflection and serious prayer. We have decided that if high schoolers are old enough to create children and destroy them (we see this all the time), they are old enough to see what abortion looks like and witness what they, their peers, and their parents have been doing.
2) Part of the power of abortion is that it happens behind closed doors. We know it is there, but we don’t see it, so it doesn’t touch us deep down. Just as when Nazis rounded up Jews and led them to their death in the concentration camps, people are aware that something is going on, but not having to witness the brutality of it. The Germans knew it was happening, they saw the Jews carted in. They could see the smoke and smell the burning flesh, but they didn’t see the awful condition of the Jews after they had been destroyed. It wasn’t until Allied soldiers made them walk through the camps that they shuddered inside at the true barbarism of the Nazis.
And that’s what pictures of abortion do. They wake us up to the cruel, violent, barbaric, selfish bloody act that abortion truly is. Hopefully, those who still have a sliver of a conscience will realize that abortion is not only morally repugnant, but something which we ought to be focused on abolishing.
3) The abolitionists of human slavery undertook the same strategy in their efforts to expose the evil of the “peculiar institution.” They showed - in public - the shackles and chains used on slave ships, diagrams of slave ships where slaves where packed like sardines for the weeks-long voyage away from the country of their birth. Abolitionists of slavery, just like abolitionists of abortion, employ graphic imagery as part of the campaign to end the unchecked evils taking place in their midst.
4) If these preborn children are merely clumps of cells, products of conception, parts of their mothers’ bodies, why are you so upset? Is it merely the sight of blood, or is something else going on? Are you 100% sure that some part of you doesn’t know that the remains of a dead child are not the same as, say, a set of extracted wisdom teeth?
5) Just so you know… this is not all we do. Please take a look at the booklet we are handing out to students. It only contains one graphic image. The other 19 pages deal with the so-called arguments for abortion and the right to choose. We are attempting to show students that abortion is not something you just wake up and do someday, but occurs at the end of a long train of choices. Our materials therefore invite students to get off the path that leads to death and on a path which leads to life and life eternal. That is why we are upfront with them that this has everything to do with Christ. And that is why many of our signs actually don’t contain graphic imagery at all, but instead a message of reconciliation between God and man.
projectfrontlines.com/ PRO CHOICE IS PRO ABORTION!
I'm not "pro-murder"
I'm pro "murderer rights"
Saying your pro-choice doesn't make you any better of a person.
ONLY in the delusional minds of the control freaks is abortion murder SINCE there are no anti-abortion laws which would trigger murder charges.
Stop lying
Doesn't matter bro... U talk like death penalties r murders... Smash a dozon of eggs r mass genocide and just removing some cells from the body is murder cux it has the potential to be a human 💀... Like every single cell's neuclious can make a whole human being
Forcing women to give birth and become single mothers isn’t any better
@@Djdnr-bu3rdactually it is😂
it’s cute that you think pro choice is wrong when it’s the only right option, you are so goddamn stupid it’s laughable
oh and btw, we are all
murderers, from ants to plants you and me and all of us have taken life, you’re not a better person, i’m not too, we are all humans, we all are far from good, but at least one should always have a choice.
case closed.
Bruh😂if her CHOICE is abortion then that literally means you support the act of abortion
Agree
You’re misunderstanding the meaning of what she’s saying, you can not like abortions while still understanding that it’s sometimes the right thing to do
She's saying you should support someone in their decision to kill their own child. That's not a mischaracterization. That's literally what she is saying.
If you think men should masturbate you support men killing babies that could of had lives.
You make the decision as a woman whether you get pregnant or not choosing to abort is no different than a dad abandoning a child every human has the right to life
Humans only have a right to life to a certain extent. No one has an absolute, unconditional right to life. Not in law, not in ethics, and not in practice. For instance, our society doesn’t demand that one person sacrifice their body to sustain another’s. Even a person who desperately needs a life-saving organ transplant has no right to take that organ from someone else, not even if it means they’ll die without it. Your right to life ends where someone else’s bodily autonomy begins.
"i want to kill my baby"
Pro choice ppl:I will support you 100%
Life ruining mistake. Now it's correct
I support them too
@@jennies3rdpetdog527 the pro choice guys?💀
@@Claudiugh10 yes
@@Claudiugh10 I won't ever be an idiot to force a rape victim to bear their rapists child
Yes pro-choice is defined as advocating for legalized abortion. It absolutely is pro-abortion.
Real support for a friend isn’t telling them whatever they want to feel in the moment and validating every feeling. You have to be there for them and tell them the hard truth, while using grace. They’ll thank you in the end.
U can advise them and tell them the consequences, But if they didn't change their mind and stand with their decision until the end u don't have the right to stop them
Compassionate and truthful
if talkin in circles was a person
A real friend talks to her about her options before she decides to get an abortion. I truly believe that you must persuade your friend that if she gets an abortion that there are emotional consequences. Abortion can create a horrible traumatic experience for the rest of your life.
You can inform thrm all you want but you can’t make the choice for them
““Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.””
Jeremiah 1:5 ESV
Absolute facts 👏🏻
If that's the case, he knew their destiny was to be aborted!
@@julialostetter8855 God won't violate human free will,even if the outcome is brutal,in the end..All those of God shall stay with God,and those away from God such as all those pro abortion people shall see eternity in hell away from God
If you think that the Bible is against abortion and against child murder, you clearly don't read the Bible. Exodus 21:22-25, numbers 5:11-31, deuteromony 28:18,53
Hosea 9:10-16, mathew 24:19, hosea 13:10, 2nd kings 15:16
@@Claudiugh10If you think that the Bible is against abortion and against child murder, you clearly don't read the Bible. Exodus 21:22-25, numbers 5:11-31, deuteromony 28:18,53
Hosea 9:10-16, mathew 24:19, hosea 13:10, 2nd kings 15:16
She even admitted it’s a CHILD, not a clump of cells.
No one cares what's fucking called as long as we have rights to our own body Linda
Its easier to say
@@bamgyvuthe baby is not your body. It’s an individual human being.
@@oliverqueen17 don't care imma still abort if I get pregnant
@@bamgyvu ok murderer. Enjoy your evil deeds.
“Pro Choice isn’t Pro- Abortion” yet said “it’s her choice to keep the child or abort the child” 🤔
@Peter Hickman is not a child, is a fetus 🤦🏻♀️
@@marianafeliciano6601 it’s a human being
@@marianafeliciano6601 fetus means baby
@@marianafeliciano6601 to these lunatics they are equal.....
@@marianafeliciano6601 playing vocabulary, yet u cant even define what a women is
I appreciate the logic in the statement. Pro-choice is not pro-abortion, it’s about having the right to choose whether or not you want an abortion.
If you do not believe in having one or would never do it yourself, that’s great, no one’s forcing you do get one.
But there is a difference between having a belief and forcing that belief on other people.
There are several scenarios in which a woman may become accidentally pregnant: among the few are failed contraception, rape, and incest.
A human capable of having a child should not have their life derailed in the chance that they become pregnant at a time of emotion, financial, or physical crisis.
Have your own opinion, but don’t make others have to share it too.
It’s not an opinion it’s a fact. You can’t change wether or not a baby is alive.
@@isobelfox5973 In that statement you are correct, as ending the life of a baby is considered murder in the eyes of the law.
In pregnancies, however, the fetus is simply a fetus: a growing bundle of cells that has the potential to become a life.
Everything in life is a matter of choice. Pro lifers would also support the mother’s choice if she will keep the child.
@@isobelfox5973i can if the baby is relying on me to grow
@@mari8789 A fetus is literally a baby not just a "bunch of cells" that's a prochoice desperate attempt to dehumanize the unborn. If the bundle of cells is a right characterization then that should applicable even outside the womb because you are still a bundle of cells. Form doesn't equal life
You don’t have to support the persons decision but you should support the right to make it. The world isn’t black and white and if those decisions don’t affect you then why does it matter.
I’m also an advocate for legalizing drug use (while expanding education and prevention that has proven to reduce societal use) and prostitution (which reduces sex trafficking and creates safer environments for sex workers). It’s not as if these things will go away if we just make it illegal and push it under the rug.
The only case of anti abortion people that I understand is not having to fund clinics with their taxes that they morally object to. In that case just specify when voting or doing taxes by checking off that you won’t be donating. Simple and done.
Those decisions do affect us. Abortions kill the future generation.
The fact that "pro-choicers" don't even want to be called a name that says they agree with abortion should tell us that even they know abortion isn't good. Why would you have a problem being called "pro-abortion" if you think abortion is fine. It would be like a pro-lifer having a problem being called "pro-birth". Yeah, we advocate that every baby deserves a chance to be born, so it checks out. Meanwhile, pro-choice are literally advocating that every women should have the right to abortion, thus you are "pro-abortion".
73 million abortions hmmm
I will never support abortion because I care about the future generation. As we all should.
Then please hook yourself up to a person who'll pass without your body supplying their nutrients for nine months. Then we might buy your argument. It's easy to tell others what to do when you're not affected by the consequences of said decisions. Otherwise, mind your own reproduction!
Misogynistic
@@britneyv4680 how? I just don’t think woman have the right to choose who lives and who doesn’t
@@mattewclubb5882 detaching a fetus from my body isn't choosing who lives or doesn't. It's God's will if the fetus isn't viable. I don't owe anyone my body or bodily fluids.
@@kaybrown7733 if it’s your body that would mean you have 2 hearts, 2 brains, 8 limbs, 4 kidneys, and 20 fingers, it’s not your body, not your choice who exists in this world.
A girl should have all the options available to her. So glad we have freedom of conscience. Slave to no one.
If being pro- choice is not pro- abortion then what is pro- choice supporting? Because it's definitely not pro-life. If you're pro-choice you're pro-abortion stop going around. Now if you say if you're pro-life you're anti- choice that's perfectly fine with me because I'd rather be anti- choice then pro murder 💯
Being pro-choice but not pro-abortion is completely valid. It's keeping the rights for woman to choose. Pro-choice believe in allowing the choice to do whatever you want regardless of what you believe. While Pro-life is forcing woman to keep the child whether they like it or not.
@@anuttra4577 but why would you want murder to be a choice?
@La Chingona ✨ I don't consider it murder at all, and that's why this debate will be never ending. This is why if you don't want to "murder" it, don't. That's your choice. Each to their own.
@@anuttra4577 so you're ok with women eaching their own with killing their child?? Man this country is in trouble. Abortion is literally a modern child sacrifice and if you continue to fail to realize that and how disturbing and sick it is then idk what to tell you.
@@x.lamaschingonaa_ to be considered murder it needs to have full bodily autonomy..... Living off of someone else's organs to survive is not the same thing as being a born , living and breathing human. We perform abortions for all kinds of medical reasons and not one of them is classified as a murder.
Yes it is
For real💀im pro choice which means im bro abortion, people having the right to choose to have an abortion
@@user-so3yw8tr1x yes and you’re an idiot
@@user-so3yw8tr1x no they don’t
@@mike_404 yes they do, being pro choice is pro abortion really
The choice is to be able to abort. It's 100 percent exclusively advocating for abortion.
That's what the debate is about.
No one is talking about your choice to give birth. That the one thing everyone can agree on.
“ Great power comes with great responsibility "
Ladies you have power to give birth a child a another soul
Stop casual sex guys!!
what makes you think that thats the result of casual sex..you can get knocked up by the man youre fucking over and over again
I think consenting adults should be allowed to do what consenting adults wanna do
@@galaxywolf8444Not really
@@TheDemon-hv3co if it’s not harmful, of course
@@galaxywolf8444 ever hear of those consenting cannibal contracts? Yeah…your sentiment is a nice bumper sticker but you might want to think deeply about it. Edited for spelling 😭
pro choice is pri abortion thats why there is pro "life" not pro anti choice
I agree😊
😂😂
Who's gonna tell them that pro-life states have higher numbers of dead mothers because women don't get care fast enough because hospital will not give immediate treatment. Not only that, higher percentage of teen mothers.
This is the same as saying slavery is bad, but the ability/choice to own a slave is ok. Protect those babies
how the fuck is abortion even on the same level as slavery!? slavery is owning a living, breathing, independent human being while the fetus is codependent on its mother and literally cannot survive by itself outside the womb. it’s not a fucking human until it’s fucking born.
@@cherinyu_ You are probably the same kind of person also who thinks young adults still using bounce houses is okay too
funny you say slavery when pro lifers want women to be slaves: no rights.
Being Pro Choice is also being Pro Abortion. People are just using the term pro choice as a euphemism for pro abortion. Yes I understand that if you are pro choice a.k.a pro abortion doesn’t mean that you will get abortion for yourself, and with that Being Pro Abortion doesn’t mean that you will get abortion for yourself.
Pro choice is allowing women to have choice over their body as well a their fetuses, and with that you are agreeing for what ever what they want to do such as having an abortion. There for, you are also Pro Abortion. Just admit and be straightforward, theres nothing wrong if you are pro abortion as long as youre not doing it with yourself
It's not even pro-abortion. It's pro-murder of babies.
My body, my choice
@@ttjkjbggnskkdjj your baby your choice, yes
@@bogartmotomoto8222 wasn't that hard now was it?
Yeah it's getting ridiculous. Just be freaking honest.
“Just be there for them” and let them do whatever the fuck they want without regards to morality or the resulting aftermath. That’s love guys. So when you see someone doing something so stupid and just so wrong, don’t try to educate them or stop them. Just be there for them.
Say that to Hitler guys. Don't tell him it's right or wrong, be there for him, and let him kill millions of people😎
She knows what she's doing when she considered abortion. All she said is that instead of demonizing your friend for having an abortion, be there for them during the procedural. That's the biggest comfort they could ask for then.
You are only allowed to stick your nose in someones’s family planning when you’re consulted with by them. If you want to stop someone from getting an abortion, the least you can do is to provide all sorts of support for the parents and the unplanned/unwanted baby for the rest of their life, including adopting the baby by yourself. Otherwise, you should kindly shut the f up.
Just be there for them when they're selling themselves to slavery, just be there for them when they're asking doctors to cut off their limbs, just be there for them when they want to kill their child.
All of it is utterly inane and illogical
Wrong, murder is murder not matter what
These comments are disgusting. She makes a good point.
How about to choose, not to sleep with anybody, or to use contraception?
Rape victims : sure
you have to think about the fact that both the mother and the child suffers if the baby is unwanted. sure she shouldve not gotten herself pregnant but telling her to face her consequences (by now taking care of the baby) isn't a 100% guarantee she wil do her best. especially when the child was not wanted. in the end the baby and the mother suffers
How about choose not to rape people, and have contraceptives for men instead?
Girl so many factors educate your self and take and cure your embarrassing ignorance away from this conversation. Rape victims. Sometimes the baby will die anyways ( told by doctors at appointments) and can lead to fatal infections to the mother )so please educate yourself before posting such narcissistic one-minded view of such a grave opinion.
I support anyone who makes whats best for them. Everyone deserves happiness.
The same people responding me are the same people that were never assaulted,will never experience pregnancy,didnt go through trauma and depression,the same ones dont care about actual lives.
Not if you’re killing another human being.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 😇
Apparently everyone besides inocent baby's deserve happyness
@@jaredjones819 I don’t care about fetuses, Jared.
@@ohno7153 fetus=baby, you are a delusional individual seek help
A simplistic & masculine outlook on Abortion:
Pro-Life=A Voice for Baby
Pro-Choice=Playing God
pro life: A voice for the baby untill it comes out...after that, momma's problem
@@FalaGilda Fala, good point. Answer: adoption. Ross
@@rossmartenak5517 Answer: over crowded adoption centers
-Sasquatch
@Green Blue Question: What if the sex was rape?
@Green Blue Question: What if the baby doesn't form important organs like the brain? It's going to die either way, right?
That’s pro-abortion
So I have the right to say “that’s a wrong decision” because that’s my choice to say. Why you telling me not to say that? What a contradiction.
Why are pro-life telling other people what decisions to make, then? hypocrites.
@@Anonymous72824Ohypocrite is the word to define pro lifers
For real 😩😒 like gd
@@Anonymous72824O hypocrite is word to define you guys acting like care but you don’t really care. “Let them do what they want do” “ woman’s right” sounds cool but when you know the consequence is following, if you truely love and care then you will tell the truth to prevent such a terrible decision. Abortion is killing babies and it’s murder. It has defined as human-being and you are the one who rejects that in the name of right of woman, in fact it’s not the right for woman, it’s just someone murders their own child for their convenience. If you don’t see how it’s cruel and gone so wrong, you have the reprobated mind. You want to have sex before marriage, giving your body to sex a lot of men like prostitute and don’t want to take your responsibility. That’s what is all about. You may not see the consequence right now but soon will see and it will be too late.
@@ttjkjbggnskkdjj do you know what the meaning of hypocrite? Hypocrite is someone who tells don’t such things then he does same thing in behind. In this case I will be a hypocrite If I say don’t kill your baby then I kill my baby. So am I hypocrite? Answer is “No”. You don’t even know what hypocrite means and telling me a hypocrite lol. Stop embarrassing yourself of lack of knowledge.
Pro choice is supporting a man's right to not pay child support.
Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion but pro-abortion means pro-choice. Draw a Ben diagram. Since pro-life is against pro-choice, it is meaningless that pro-choice is not pro-abortion.
Louder for the disgusting people who would never consider adopting from the foster system and are okay with unborn babies having to go through the system 👊
Whatever bruh,abortion is murder. None of these so called facts justify that taking an innocent life is okay
Yes because all children in the system should just have been aborted instead right.
Hi, do people in the foster care system have a right to live?
@@drincoherent4859 not just the right to live, they have the right to live in a guaranteed comfortable, safe, loving family environment accessibility to all their needs for the first 18 years of their life.
@@drincoherent4859 I have friends that grew up foster care that have shared details about wishing they were aborted lol privileged fuck
So basically your saying “ kill it don’t kill it it’s not my decision so I don’t care?” There’s nothing good about abortion it is sick and mortifying! Anyone who does it will live with some pretty crappy regrets!
So forcing someone to give birth and potentially killing them is not sick and mortifying? You prolifers are so confused that it's sad. You expect someone to get raped, get pregnant, deal with pregnancy, give birth (and suffer excruciating pain), then deal with postpartum, and we are the evil ones? Yall are the same people who enjoy seeing pregnant 13 year old and forcing them to continue on with the pregnancy. Yall are sick and disgusting. Abortion is not the same thing as murder, but yall don't know how to argue, because that's all yall say. "Abortion is murder, Abortion is murder". Are you telling me the baby's life is more important than the woman/girl who's carrying it? You're a monster.
Yes. Because allowing people to have bodily autonomy is not a bad thing.
And actually, abortion is health care. It has saved lots of women’s lives.
So you think an 8 year old her should give birth to her rapists baby?
You are more likely to regret a knee replacement than an abortion. Abortion has very very low regrets. Like dude, how is someone gonna regret a clump of cells that come out in a heavy period? They know what they want, you let people make their own decisions.
Being pro choice but saying you’re not pro abortion is true. There pro choicers who are anti abortion personally, and while you may be personally opposed you are complicit since you are in favor of keeping, retaining and even expanding the unnecessary killing of babies.
By definition there isn’t. It is literally impossible to be pro choice and anti abortion on the same issue.
I never had given my consent to my parets to create me. Why do they need my consent to get rid of me before I was born?
Because they literally CANNOT get your consent and ask you if its okay if they create you. How is this not easy enough for a 5 year old to understand?!?! Seriously, WTH is wrong with people today?
Yeeeeaaaaah.....no. Not consenting to existing does not justify killing people.
Umm... yes it does. If abortion was not available as a choice, your entire movement would have no foundation to stand on.
Yes. Pro choice is a movement supporting abortion. Therefore, pro choice = pro abortion
@@bogartmotomoto8222and pro life = pro extreme forced birth
@@ttjkjbggnskkdjj ikr
@@bogartmotomoto8222it supports the CHOICE to have an abortion, not the abortion itself. If abortions were totally illegal people would still find ways to perform the procedure unsafely. Therefore, having a CHOICE ensures that in special circumstances the procedure can be performed by medical professionals.
@@guitarguywill4157 men wearing nail polish RISKS not telling the genders apart!!!!
Pro (legal) abortion.
Its assumed that both sides of the discussion don't like illegal abortions, as they are in general dangerous to the pregnant person.
If you are in opposition to the side which is NOT for abortion, what side are you for?
The prefix pro means to be for.
It's crazy that people see abortion as murder. It saves lives including the lives of the mother. I can guarantee that none of the people like that in the comments are medical practitioners
"it saves lives" an abortion is literally a procedure to end the life of an unborn child. You cant make this stuff up
It is 100% murder
@@jacksonh.4585absolutely! Can’t believe women can’t even have control of their own bodies when their life is at risk!
@@jacksonh.4585That’s not a fact that’s just your opinion, we are talking about reality and what people actually have to deal with. 🤦♀️
Yes, because all abortions are done to save lives.
Being pro choice is allowing a person to make stupid decisions, if you are not a rape victim it's not a choice it is a shield from responsibility of actions.
we already have enough overpopulation and children in the foster system. We don’t need any more, especially from stressed mothers who don’t want a child. getting rid of a responsibility isn’t irresponsible, it’s knowing your limits and what’s best for you.
She just clearly defined the the meaning of pro abortion
"Pro-choice" should only come into play if the mother is given the choice to either save herself or her baby in a medical emergency.
I agree with thiss
No, mothers should have the choice to give birth. The pregnancy should be consented. Period.
Bare in mind that the mother wants to save both her and the child. But is unable too. This was never an issue because mothers wanted the babies. Today its an issue because mothers dont want they babies hence 98% of abortions are just unwanted pregnancies
What about teen pregnancys?
@@freya5155 preach sis
so… you’re pro-abortion
Pro-choice is a euphemism for pro-abortion. Just be honest. We'd respect you all more if you were just honest.
Saying that you are pro-choice means that you won't stand against murdering a living being. Life is a continuous chain and intervention at any time after conception achieves the same result - it deprives a person of their future - this is abortion's stated objective. We all MUST protect our children - starting from conception.
Hey I’m a kid. I’m not old enough to get a job and if I get pregnant do you think I should have to carry it to term?
@@galaxywolf8444 First, please make good choices so that you do not get into a situation where you have to consider these choices. Abortion harms the mother as well as the child - it will affect you the rest of your life.
Focus on being the best person that you can be. Always strive to improve yourself and you will create good opportunities. You can have a great future for yourself - CREATE IT.
I sincerely hope that you soar in life.
@@panhandlejake6200 *hmm*
@@galaxywolf8444They basically said “fuck you you’re having that baby”
@@panhandlejake6200So that was a yes to galaxywolfs question? WOW you are gross, hope your children or grandchildren never have to carry in a situation like that because it’s obviously clear YOU wouldn’t protect or help anyone, just tell them to suck it up and hope for the best, what a load of 💩
"Pro-Choice" is NOT Pro-Abortion. The term for Pro-Abortion should be Pro-Dismemberment & Drowning. It's not REALLY Pro-Choice because the BABY has no say & it's not your body being dismembered babies deserve protection & love, & if it was your body being dismembered you chose to brutally murder yourself that is different, but it is BABY's body so yes it is in your body but the choice can be to give birth to your baby early preemie & the baby be taken care of with the utmost tender loving care, NOT be brutally murdered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A baby is weak, but will GROW into a strong adult, & even if they turn out bad, DO NOT MURDER!!!!!!!!! "KEEP THE CHILD OR DISMEMBER/DROWN THE CHILD" No you have four choices: Give baby up for adoption, give birth, drop baby off at police station, or when you give birth tell the nurses take care of it, the nurses should care for your helpless baby & then the baby will be placed with a loving family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So let's stop saying Pro-Choice & start saying Pro-Dismemberment & Drowning!!!!!!!!!! & "Pro-Choicers" are TERRORISTS to the weakest people in the world TINY DEFENSELESS BABIES big enough to fit in your hand!!!!!!!!!!!! PICK ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE!!!!!!!!!! LITERAL AUTISTIC PERSPECTIVE THE STRONG ADULTS SHOULD PROTECT THE WEAK BABIES, NOT HURT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!🔥♥️ #babysbody #babyschoice #notyourbody #thebloodofbabiescriesout
#mybodymyrules
A baby and a grown human with a choice are two different things, A baby cannot say “I wanna live” that’s stupid. And the adoption system is worse then most things on this planet.
Why do people like this never admit that they’re pro-abortion? Bc they know inherently killing a child is wrong. You should be proudly screaming that you’re pro-abortion if you think there’s nothing wrong with it.
The way this is phrased avoids the main topic of does a fetus(offspring) have the right to live. Being pro life and had my cousin have an abortion I would never shun her for the experience that she had to go through being told that a child is just a clump of cells and killing a child without knowing that it was one. At no point is pro life trying to not support women through hard times, it is simply not allowing for the ending of innocent life.
“Im going to bring the world into the second great fascist era”
Support them no matter what right?
You don’t get to be pro choice without being pro abortion. It really is that simple.
same as if you're pro-life*, you really think women should have no rights over their body.
@@MadaraUchiha-.._ do you mean to say "if you're an abolitionist"? Your sentence doesn't read correctly.
@@skinbad1 ah right i got confused i meant to say pro lifers think women should have no rights
She has no idea what she's saying.... worst friend is the one that always agrees with you with literally anything, a true friend would guide you... not let u fall into your own dillusional world,
I hope no one listens to this woman's advice because she might sound smart but she's just very confident in saying things she has no idea of.
True and that’s why this is a rule and basically a pillar of Islam to tell anyone the good ways and prevent from wrong ways based on the morals of humanity and religion . Proud to be Muslim
No, good friends do not push their values and ethics onto you. Good friends will listen to you, understand you and your situation, sympathize with you, suffer with you, and make a decision together/ help make a decision.
Yes, you’re correct it’s a bad friend if someone agrees with you no matter what. However, it seems to me that you have little clue how people make a decision around abortions and how things can be easily super complicated in real life. The argument of abortions shouldn’t be black or white. We have to look for a middle ground.
@@TK-pv4lh but abortion is killing her own child and if you tolerated it, then you are not a good frined
@@bogartmotomoto8222 So you say you judge your friends solely base on the action and do not consider any of the circumstances they’re in?
Plus, just our of curiosity but why people have only women to be blamed? Men should be held accountable as much as women, if not more considering how much women would have to go through mentally and physically.
If it's a "child", (as YOU put it) you're deciding to "keep" it or "murder" it. You can call it abortion if that helps you sleep at night, but I prefer my friends to not be murderers.
an embryo doesn't have a heartbeat until its sixth week. (I think) in my opinion, it's not murder if it doesn't have a heartbeat
@@Auggie426 it doesn't matter if it has a heartbeat regardless. plants have heartbeats too. that doesn't mean it's called murder when someone eats them.
@@Auggie426so you’re in favor of an abortion ban after 6 weeks?
Yes " pro - choice " absolutely does mean " pro - abortion." Darkness and evil can not exist in the same place, at the same time, with goodness and light.
No, it really doesn't. Sorry you don't understand how words work.
@@thejabberwocky2819 Not " sorry " for knowing we live in an upside - down world, where evil is good, darkness is light, and vice is virtue. And that the willful murder of an unborn innocent child is praised and defended as " health care ", or a " right " or anything other than what it is. A vile abomination before Almighty God.
@@johnnyzeee5215 We don't. We live in a time where we fight less wars, where less murders happen per capita, where more people donate to charity, where people live longer lives at higher qualities.
You've just been brainwashed by your death cult into an apocalyptic catatonic state.
1. Abortion doesn't match either definition of murder
2. Women deserve equal rights to everyone else, meaning no one should have the right to use their body against their will, even to save their life.
Abortion is by definition health care.
Your God is a fairy tale.
@@johnnyzeee5215 And pro choice just means "I believe you should make that choice and I shouldn't be involved", not "pro abortion"
Indeed, we pro-choice are pro-abortion as long as the abortion is the woman's choice. If the woman decides to keep the pregnancy, then we are against abortion. As simple as that.
“I’m not pro murder, I just think it should be their own choice to make”
100% it is their decision as it would be yours to keep the child
@@heathboyle2054 No one should have the right to kill a human. You should not be allowed the "decision" to kill the child.
@@libfit9068 okay that's your choice
@@heathboyle2054 If I said I want to go kill an elementary school child, should that simply be my “choice”? No, that should not be a choice, it should be banned and not allowed.
Broo not the Christians finding thisss💀💀💀💀
Not all pro-life people are religious. Some of us have biological and philosophical reasons to be pro-life, but I know for the average pro-abortionists like yourself this is a difficult concept to understand.
fr they’re like “it’s the same thing, youre saying women should have the right to get an abortion, therefore you’re a pro-abortion!!🥺🥺” we ARE TIRED of giving them kindergartener understanding of definitions so they could see the difference between choice and abortion
@@astro_st4rok look up how am abortion is performed then come back to tell me that is normal and humane
@@ThePoeticAvocadohow else do you wana do it then
@@antonypereira1098 for them not to kill the baby? Y’all try to justify abortion by saying that “oH iTs nOt aLiVe yEt” or “iTs NoT hUmAn yEt” it’s human. It’s alive. Cells=alive, compounds and elements do not = alive. Simple science. Your literally killing a baby, ripping it apart or giving it the lethal injection used on *death row.* it’s disgusting and sad that people think this should be a right.
Choice for what? What are are choosing? Abortion. If a woman doesn't have an abortion that's pro life because a baby wasn't murdered.
what a good friend
Absolutely correct. I'm glad there are people like you out there.
When it refers to the context of terminating an innocent life, it IS abortion. Abortion means ABANDONMENT. Abortion only occurs when a woman ABANDONS the innocent, regardless of the reason for the abortion.
That's why the Faithful and True are the only ones lifted up, and the ones for Death and Abandonment, get left behind, as they wished for others...
For, you do for others, what you would have them do for you. Be careful of these ways. They can come back on you in the next life time. No one understands the error of their ways until the Living Spirit holds them to account when it imposes their own ways back to them. So, if you support abortion, well... remember, do unto others, what you would have the Most High Creator to do unto you. Everyone is helpless when they're dying, even if they die peacefully of old age. Question is, when they cry out, who will answer? An answer is guaranteed for everyone who helped to put an end to the ways of death and promotes and helps to build up life and the living.
Sounds like someone trying to maintain being a good person while lying to themselves because they know it's actually murdering a baby.
im gonna kms this world sucks
Ummm, that’s pro abortion. 😳
No that is not Pro abortion. Pro choice allows birth or abortion. Pro Abortion does not allow birth which forces abortion. However I would definitely try to convince a girl to not have an abortion unless she has a rare medical condition which in that case i say it is up to you.
@@thehumblepuppy4488 I honestly think if you want a kid, or are even going to have s*x, you must be willing to have a child and be willing that in a rare case it might come to death.
@@thehumblepuppy4488 pro life also allows birth lol. No one is prohibiting to that. Everything in Life is a matter of choiiiice. I think people taking the choice in “pro choice” verryy literraalll.
Pro choice movement support of having an abortion. Thats make you pro abortion.
@bogartmotomoto8222 Does pro choice support births, though?
@@thehumblepuppy4488 they do
This is like saying: “being pro rape is not about supporting rape, it just means being pro men doing what they want with their bodies”
Exactly, brains
That is a _massive_ false equivalency, and you know it.
@@eliesh3833 how is it. Make an actual argument
I'm not pro-murder i'm just pro people being able to decide that they want to murder someone.
If you consider abortion murder youre either thinking of late stage abortion or youre just fucking wrong.
*something
Im not pro slavery but people have the right to own slaves...
Right, and if someone wants to own slaves, don't try to convince them they're wrong. Just be there for them.
that’s literally not even a good comparison. you sound so dumb lmao.
@@cynthiarohr9405accompany them to the slave auction if you’re close enough with them
If you aren't pro-slavery, then you should be pro-choice, cause otherwise you are pro-gestational slavery, which was a major aspect of slavery to begin with. The violation of bodily autonomy is a major pillar of what makes something slavery. Therefore, being anti-choice is pro-gestational slavery.
I know abortion is not forced upon the woman.
The fact that abortion is an option makes it pro-abortion. Pro-choice is the right to choose abortion. It is pro-abortion
Wrong. You can be agaisnt abortion but still believe a woman's right to choose is more important.
Pro choice is just that. Pro CHOICE
@@thejabberwocky2819 i do agree that if a woman is not ready/fit to take care of a baby, she shouldn't have to. there's other options than just abortion.
we need to put more safety and security for children in the foster care/adoption agencies. we need more support systems for the pregnant mothers.
if this was simply about having a choice of taking responsibility of a baby or not to, then why not fix the issues with our systems? why not create programs that support the mother mentally and physically? why not have more strict policies and harsher punishments on foster care parents that abuses children in their care?
@@Spinach_hater The issue here is not simply whether she is ready/fit to care for a baby, but whether it's moral to force her to have a baby against her will.
Consider: no living human has the right to another person's body, even to save their life. Why should fetuses have special rights no one else has?
I won't disagree that we need better support systems. So why is it that forced birthers are normally the strongest opposition to such systems, given that they tend to fall on the right side of the political spectrum?
The correct approach is extensive sex ed, freely available birth control, and legal abortions. This minimizes the number of abortions that will happen while not removing a right from women that everyone else has uninterrupted.
@@thejabberwocky2819 I do agree that no living human has the right to another human’s body.
That human fetus is another human body just a different stage/development. Why should other person choose to have that small person in the womb die?
@@Spinach_hater You've got it reversed.
The fetus needs the mothers body to survive - so why should it have the right to ignore its mothers rights to live?
this conversation is garbage. I'm not supporting people in killing other (potential) people. And it doesn't matter if it's 'potential' or not, because I can still make a factual case for potential life to have the same value as life: a person in a coma with no memories after coming out of the coma should not be stabbed to death while in coma, ESPECIALLY if you know that person would escape the coma after nine months. This case has moral equivalency of that of a baby not yet born. So this conversation is garbage.
exactly!
Exactly. They are just using pro choice as a euphemism for abortion. They could just say, im pro abortion but i wouldn’t get abortion for myself. Thats it . Period.
what if the mother would be at risk of dying if she bears the child?
@@iamthesenate8825 Its true that there were instances that the mother could die because of pregnancy
however, we cannot deny that vast majority of abortions happen is not because of the mother’s health, but because the baby is unwanted or the family is not financially stable.
Here’s the thing. Pro Life pregnancy centers are existing-in which the mother and the child will gonna have a treatment. There were instances where the baby must deliver early because its no longer compatible to the mother so the doctor has to remove the fetus from the womb in order to treat the mother and the child (while it is in incubator). These cases are rare. so rare. And this is not abortion. A mother could die due to her health if she continue her pregnancy so the doctor must to perform this kind of surgery (CS not abortion).
there were instances that the mother is the only one who could survive and the premature child could die in incubator and first of all, that is tragic however That is not the same thing as ABORTION because the INTENTION of the doctor is to SAVE the life of a mother and a child. To treat them equally. The doctor did not intentionally DISMEMBER the child in order to kill it and that is the job of ABORTIONIST, is to kill intentionally the child before it was born.
Intention Matters
@@bogartmotomoto8222 I can see ur arguement and I can 100% agree that abortions shouldn't be given on the whim and should consider the life of the child to but beyond that, the morale values may differ from person to person also though the pregnancies that cause death are a small percentage, of a world with billions of poeple living in it, there are a million of mothers dying because of pregnancy also it is very expensive to put a child in an incubator, depending on the family's expenses they may not be able to help the child live because they can't afford to.
Here's my opinion: A fetus may be alive but they're not conscious. They don't even know that they're alive, which means they don't even realise when they're killed. They don't feel pain. Life begins when the fetus develops brain activity after 4 to 5 weeks. Before then, it's not a person. It's just a fertilised egg. A clump of cells. There is no real consequence to killing a fetus. Think of the circumstances when a woman wants to get an abortion. Imagine if you have a daughter and she gets raped. Would you force your own daughter to carry and deliver the rapist's baby whose not even a human yet? Think of the psychological torture your daughter would have to endure. What if there is a pregnancy complication that would endanger your daughters life? Do you value the life of a fetus (lack there of) than the life of your own daughter?
So you think abortion should be banned after 4 to 5 weeks?
It's always the exceptions to justify the rule. Can't you guys have better arguements FFS
life doesn't mean they have rights either. plants have life. do you see anyone getting mad when someone eats a plant?
It’s funny cause I’m pro-life and will happily admit to being anti-abortion. It’s almost like you know abortion is evil but don’t want to admit it.
So true im pro choice and its not like im yelling at all my friends to get an abortion i let them have them choice thats why its call pro choice if they don’t want it i have no problem if they want it i have again no problem its so stupid that women have to fight for their rights
You have the right the choose, its just that we think youre murdering a baby.
Okay. Well, your thoughts are not true to reality.
Being pro choice is pro abortion. Pro abortion just means that we want women to have the accessibility to abortions if they want one.
You described pro-abortion.... LMAO
Same thing 😂😂
Pro choice can mean anything such as letting a father force himself on his kindergarten son oe pro choice as in let the baby have the right to like as abortionis taking away their choices
In other words, being pro choice (support the right to choose abortion or not) is not the same saying pro abortion (support abortion). Can we say that about r4p3 too? Pro choice to r4p3 isn’t the same as pro r4p3? Pro means support. Support the choice of abortion is still supporting abortion indirectly. I’m sure there are some things in our human life that you will never support, but to choose the right to choose to perform it, you’d see that as a support also, but we fail to apply this principle in this topic. 🤦🏾♂️
pro life then better dont eat meat..
Enicgce
Two completely different issues.
Life is life
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She knows what she's doing when she's considering abortion. All she said is that instead of demonizing your friend for her choice, be there for them. You've seen mauve's situation in sex education. This is a very critical moment. Accompany them to the clinic if you can :)
your right she's knows she's slaughtering her own baby. they all know.
…. It’s a choice to have an abortion…. Which makes you pro-abortion.
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You are probably the same kind of person also who thinks young adults still using bounce houses is okay too
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The choice to do what though? Girl stop it. 😂😂😂😂😂
For those who only speak English but somehow fail to understand English sentences, what they mean is that “Being pro-choice doesn’t mean that they’re all for terminating pregnancy. They just reasonably understand that there are situations where parents would want/need to have an abortion and taking away that option would never solve any real-life issues.”
Then you are pro abortion. Because you are pro the woman's choice. Ugh people and their word gymnastics. It's getting ridiculous.
@@millennialodyssey5956 you can emotionally support a friend without promoting or encouraging their abortion. If their mind is decided, telling them they're murdering a child will help nothing. It's not an easy process and traumatizing for many people. Being aggressive and unsupportive will only bring harm to the people around us.
@@millennialodyssey5956 you don’t have to like the idea of abortion to be in favor of women’s rights about having abortion, that is pro-choice.
When you celebrate the idea of abortion, that is pro-abortion.
You speak English, right? I don’t know why you can’t tell the difference.
@@roach2420 repeat what you just said in any other context and you’d be cancelled…. My best friend wants to rape a girl, I don’t agree, but he’s decided. I’m not going to berate him and try to stop him because I don’t want him to suffer mentally with my seeming betrayal. I’m going to stand by and support his choice and when he’s accused I’ll be there in court fighting for his release…. Wait….
My friend wants to off themselves and well I don’t want to hurt them by trying to talk them out of it or getting them help as best as I can. I’m going to go with them to procure their preferred method and even help research. I’m going to hold their hand, I’m going to make sure no one else knows not even their parents or significant other. I’m going to support them in that. When people find out and think I’m insane or pushed them into it I’ll fight for their decision made during a dark point when they technically can’t consent due to mental anguish as some say…. Hmm…..
Do you see how reckless and dangerous that logic is??? I’ve been in the situation where a friend of mine instead of taking care of the two kids she had went and slept and had an affair with someone and got pregnant. Because she wanted to hurt the father of her kids. She wasn’t a crappy mother but in that moment she wasn’t mentally well and made a shit choice. I never talked crap and bullies her but I didn’t let her live in denial and I helped her deal with the aftermath. When she found out she was pregnant she told me she wanted an abortion and wanted me to fo with her. I refused because she knew how I felt about it. I didn’t argue with her but by me not giving her 100% she ghosted me and said I was a shit friend. Even though I paid the rent and bills on an apartment I let her and her kids stay in for 4 months. Without interest or any type of get back. You know what happened a year later when she unblocked me??? She was crying all over Facebook and dealing with worse mental health because that abortion destroyed her. She admitted she made a poor choice and wished someone had talked her out of it but no one cared enough about her. You’re really kind of sick. A lot of pro life women have had at least one and up to 5 abortions themselves. So cut the crap please. You’re pro abortion not choice. This has nothing to do with choice because it it did there would be informed consent and people lie too much for that as we see.
@@vikkidonn are you crazy? Nobody got time to read your full essay.
Please read because I put a lot of thought into this.
I wonder why pregnancies are given to an individual woman. The pregnancy is not given to her mother, sister, significant other,best friend, minister,doctor or a stranger. It’s her and her Makers pregnancy.
Why?? Because her body and mind were chosen to make those decisions.
What I’m saying may go over some people’s heads.
A law deciding on how you or I should do something is not acceptable EVER. It’s a power trip, it’s attempted control, it’s saying that a law can decide body choices for us. What if it became mandatory to have your appendix removed by age 15 because someone in government had to have theirs removed? This could apply to many decisions that weren’t your decision about your body. It must stop. I bet you if every male had to be circumcised by 21…. Oh heck it wouldn’t even be a topic would it??😂
Remember you were given jurisdiction over your body and you and your Maker decide what they are.PERIOD.
to all pro-lifers, it's just a question, have you ever given birth and faced the consequences from workplace or society and worst symptoms of pregnancy? if yes then, do you think that being a mother would be an achievement for women?
Then stop having sex with men when you're not ready to have kids . The bigger choice with exceptions of rape is whether you should have sex
@@danieljakes5949 no. tf. there is a reason condoms exist, SO YOU DONT GET PREGNANT! sex isn't just about conceiving lol.
@@MadaraUchiha-.._ then use a condom= no killing babies
@@danieljakes5949 yeah we do. but women still get pregnant because there are cases of condoms breaking, doesn’t matter anyways because they aren’t babies.
I thought the point of having freedom is to have the right to choose
It’s being pro make your decision! Someone can literally never want an abortion but respect the fact it’s your choice
What is the choice you're in favor of, exactly? Being pro-choice is absolutely pro-abortion.
To y'all that don't support pro-choice, what do you have to say about rape?
It's bad. But the innocent human being in the womb did nothing wrong and doesn't deserve the death penalty for the crimes of its father. Let's increase protections for women by improving police reporting and investigation, so abusers can be caught and prosecuted. Let's get better facilities for women to seek preventative care and councilling after they've been victimised. Let's get engaged in charities and services to help women pay for early childcare costs. In other words, let's be compassionate and supportive. But let's not take it out on the baby.
@@harleygatorWhat if the mother’s life is at risk?
Im not pro-slavery I just think people should be allowed to choose to own slaves if they want