Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice: Overturning Roe v. Wade | Uncomfortable Conversations with Emmanuel Acho
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- After the historical overturning of Roe v Wade, in episode 12, Emmanuel sits down to have his most nuanced, complicated, and uncomfortable conversation, yet. He’s joined by Pastor Chelsea Smith of Churchome, 4x Olympic gold medalist Sanya Richards-Ross, TV analyst MJ Acosta-Ruiz and Dr. Yeni Abraham of Triggered PT in Arlington, TX. The women share their own personal stories of abortion, their complex views on pro-choice v pro-life, the role they want men to play & how the Supreme Court’s decision will affect women in this country.
0:00 - Introduction
1:21 - The Time to Share Stories is Now
2:03 - MJ Acosta-Ruiz’s Story
4:46 - Sanya Richards-Ross Shares with her Father
6:16 - Sanya Richards-Ross’ Story
8:06 - Dr. Yeni Abraham’s Story
12:52 - Why has the Church Been Quiet?
14:48 - Emotional Pain of Abortion
15:24 - A Man’s Burden or Resentment of Abortion
17:43 - What Role do Women Want Men to Play?
19:59 - Emmanuel Shares the Role He Thinks Men Should Play
21:02 - The Nuance of Pro-Choice v Pro-Life
24:25 - Closing Remarks
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This is not an uncomfortable conversation in my opinion. A true uncomfortable conversation would include the opposing view. I am glad that these woman got to tell their story but this is just a group of people who agree and validate each other.
I agree totally!!
I was thinking where is the pro-lifer?? They all seem to hold the same basic view. SO its was an x vs y convo at all.
The supreme Court said their piece
@@andreameintjes4696 Acho
@@stanleed.harold5457 no, someone who actually holds that view, not the moderator. Otherwise, the title is not at all accurate, having actually watched this, it was all choice only. So I had different expectations, as many people did, based on all the other similar comments I've seen. A balanced conversation should be as such.
I thought the conversation was "pro choice vs pro life". This was pretty much just a pro choice rally and didn't seem very uncomfortable for anybody at all. 😕
Ah, but you see, the discomfort was inside you all along.
You do realize that these women went out of their way to be vulnerable and tell their abortion stories. It was probably uncomfortable for them to admit that. I'm glad they had the choice when they did
@@mcbrig7129 Sure, maybe it was uncomfortable for them to say they've gotten abortions. But the "discomfort" part as it relates to being confronted with an opposing viewpoint was virtually non-existant in this video. If you can point out any part of the video where that actually happened, I'll humbly say that you are right. But most of what I've seen here were head nodding and affirmation of one particular view point with little to no input from the other. I'll wait.
@@mcbrig7129 Jubilee's "Middle ground" segment does a much better job of exposing multiple view points and "uncomfortable conversations" with strangers than this one. If you're open-minded enough, I suggest you watch that channel if you're actually looking to hear opposing view points rather than a conversation that was nothing more than an echo-chamber of one view point.
@@name4name197 yeah, true because the white woman, I think she's a pastor, kind of agreed with the pro-choicers. So on that part, they came to a little agreement instead of keeping it two sided
So will this be followed by an uncomfortable conversation with four women who made the difficult decision to continue their pregnancy? Both sides should be aired if we are ever to understand each other.
I agree. I also think it represents a false idea of compassion. It makes it seem like compassion is just affirming and agreeing with one another. That's not compassion. Compassion is when you are kind even when it's hard, when you disagree.
Yea this was one sided
As a Canadian I haven't really formed a strong opinion during this trial. I opened this video and thought to myself I will keep an open mind and hear their stories. As I'm watching my eight year daughter was sitting nearby and said "mommy when is Jesus coming?" I asked her why she said that and she replied "because this world is very sad"
She asked me if I ever thought of having an abortion and I explained to her my story for the first time and she cried so hard I had to turn off the video to console her.
I was a successful career woman living my dream job and traveling...then I got
pregnant before marriage to my now husband who was living in Jamaica at the time. I come from a very traditional family and once I got pregnant I knew that it would bring shame to them. My husband wasn't able to come to Canada until she was 3 years old and for those early years I had to travel back and forth and cried everytime I went through customs alone.
Life in Canada was hard for me I was living as a single mother and had to rely on food banks and barely make rent. My family and friends were not supportive and felt I made a huge mistake.
I carried that shame for many years.
Today my husband and I are now living in Canada with our 3 beautiful children. I'm a homeschool mom and also a Christian.
I had to rebuild my career but I was able to be successful again to the point where I doubled my previous income.
Moral of my story is that no matter how difficult my life was... God provided a way. I had all the reasons to choose abortion but I didn't and now I get to watch my beautiful daughter grow into a lady. I'm getting tears in my eyes as I write this 🥺 I hope that my story helps someone else.
Wow😭 what a beautiful testimony. God is so faithful! And what courage you had to share this with your daughter. That is a moment she will never forget.
May God continue to bless you and keep you, and multiple your story, so that others would know the hope of Jesus and the love of our Father.
@@got2havefaith87 thank you for your kind words. God bless
Powerful Testimony of LOVE & Perseverance through Christ Jesus!!!
Amen! Beautiful testimony.
None of this was uncomfortable though. As someone who is pro-choice, I already fully understand and acknowledge (and have compassion for) the many reasons why a woman would make this difficult decision. While I thank you for spreading awareness on this issue and giving these women a chance to share their story, what I would really want to see is a conversation between the two opposing sides. I want to see someone who identifies themselves as pro-"life" being challenged on their views and see if a common ground can't be made.
You should check out Jubilee's Middle Ground for that conversation. Equally as robust as this one.
Agreed Lisa. Mostly this was an important opportunity for the women in the conversation to share their stories, which was appreciated. However there is a compassionate way to discuss the other side as well and it was not included here.
Didn't you know that Emmanuel isn't doing this to promote conversation but to push his own agenda? None of his "uncomfortable conversations" have amounted to anything uncomfortable.
I am pro-life, but it makes me happy to see that we can disagree and still agree that this was not an actually uncomfortable conversation.
My friend... Acho doesn't want to do that... cause he knows the opposing take would make things really uncomfortable. He does this for more fame and to push HIS version of the truth.
He is a very well spoken, joke of a man.
Agree. I was waiting to see a conversation where both sides would listen and express their views even though it made a uncomfortable situation. It would have been a great demonstration how we can have different views but still listen to each other.
So who was pro-life?? There was only one position here.
I don't think anyone was pro life 😔
I think the point was for them to look at both sides & to share their experiences.
Cause being pro life is ruining childrens lives there is an 11 year old girl thats pregnant who got raped and she cant get an abortion now
If you read the description on the video, the format is less of a debate and more of a platform for these women to share their stories of experiences with roe v wade. I agree that the title is misleading
@@DianapluckyTee everyone was pro life because there body is their life. I'm sure every day people wouldn't want other people's opinion dictating their mental well being and health decisions. Killing women is loss of life as well. Who's standing up to value their worth. If this was really about pro life and no control and power, we would see better affordable health care, birth control and parental resources for ALL women. These things add value to EVERY life. Treating women as less than human is hypocritical.
I appreciate hearing their testimonies, however, this seems like a very “one-sided” and “out-numbered” conversation to me. One side of the argument was heard 99% of the time. Seems like it defeats the purpose of an “uncomfortable conversation”.
This is an evil and misleading video.
They are possibly doing it on purpose.
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True - very one-sided!
Have you had this experience and was comfortable enough to not only admit it but also talk about it? It may not be uncomfortable for you however, you can’t speak for anyone else
Well it should said uncomfortable conversations about women that have had an abortion, not pro life and pro choice conversation that didn't happen
These are actually very comfortable conversations because there is never anyone to challenge them.
I got pregnant at 19 right after I graduated high school. I was living a bit of a wild life and I knew better. Getting pregnant straightened me out and made me live for someone other than myself. I went through nursing school as a single mother and worked waiting tables every weekend.
In this world it has become virtuous to look out for number 1.
Again, you had a choice and that is what you chose.
@@myronschabe just thought I'd add to the discussion to actually give a counter argument to a video that was supposed to have 2 opposing views but didn't. Showing that having a baby doesn't kill your dreams or ruin your life.
You are right on point. I am sure your precious child appreciates you not only thinking of yourself. But this does make the selfish ones very angry.
@@TabithaDavis I would not call it an argument, yours is an example of someone who chose to keep a pregnancy and did not regret that decision and is happy with it, (but not necessary to argue about semantics). Sure, I think the the title of this video is a bit misleading, as it doesn't really show cases like yourself, as an example. If we get a very broad perspective from lots of folks there would be cases of people on all sides some happy and some not with their decisions both for and against, that is why it is such a personal choice for each individual.
@Kit0316 and there’s the judgmental response. How lovely that you can cast stones
This was a really good conversation. However, I do think it should have been called Understanding Pro-Choice...because there really wasn't a "Pro-Life" component to this conversation. Just a branding thought to help expectations of the conversation.
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Yup!
Psalm 139:13-14
For you created my inmost being;
you knit me togetherin my mother's womb.
I praise you because I am fearfully and
wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew
you…”
This is one of the reasons morals are important, because it keeps you out of having to make a decision as heart wrenching as abortion.
I was raped, and if a pregnancy would’ve resulted I had already decided on adoption. I was 16 and lived in a single mother household with four other siblings and we were very poor! I ended up divorced when I was 22 and became a single parent. I was very poor. I took accounting classes at home which gave me the opportunity to make a better wage. After that I worked and paid my way through college class by class. Took me awhile but I did it. It improved my earnings. God helped me through it all! But, the one thing that really motivated me was this one sentence I would repeat over and over in my head which was “always seek upward mobility!”. And that is what I did. The fact that life has been diminished to a bunch of cells that can be discarded is truly sad and says a lot about society.
A difficult decision should be choosing to abstain from sex if you're not ready to raise a child, and how to abstain from sex. I've been in the same position before. Poor actions lead to poor consequences and it is a shame that we don't hear more stories of women that suffer PTSD FOR YEARS after having an abortion. It's not just a onetime act, it's a life long heaviness to bear.
Let’s not be ignorant and believe people will stop having sex, we can do a much better job of educating girls and women on the reproductive system. You will be surprised how many don’t know about ovulation and when it happens. It’s not taught in schools and a lot of mothers refuse to have that conversation, there needs to be a safe place for educating females on their bodies. How about we start there, everyone who has an opinion has just that with no solutions!
@@deemosby7590 if you don't know how your own body works, you are not mature enough to have sex, reproduction should be taught in school, but it is, idk maybe some off the wall School it's not, but there will always be that. Also you can have sex and limit the chance of pregnancy, but in the end, there is always a chance, if you make the decision to have sex you need to be ready for the possibility, same as driving a car carries risk you must accept, if you get unlucky, well you have to deal, you can't now terminate others because you took a risk.. think about if you got in an accident and needed an organ to live, you can't demand someone give you theirs, it was your choice to take the risk..
@@Leviathan-mj8gi this is probably the dumbest most insensitive response I’ve ever heard! Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one so maybe just keep it to yourself if you have no solution nor a womb! Until you have ovaries, bleed every month and can carry a child, please carry on out the comments!
@@deemosby7590 I will state whatever I want and I don't need overies to know murder is wrong, that's about as stupid as saying you shouldn't be allowed to tell men rape is wrong, because you are not a man, so you don't know our "needs" umm yeah you can state it's wrong, and you deserve your vote just like everyone else gets, sorry, if I have a child with a woman and she decides to terminate it, it effects me, and I don't legally even get a say in that, which is also wrong, but I don't even care to fight for my rights to have a say, because I don't think abortion should be an option at all, so no one should chose about ending someone else, because it should be no one's choice other then the person getting terminated, you carry on..
@@deemosby7590 u r the insensitive one because you could care less about the babies life and future..
This wasn't uncomfortable because only one side was really represented. If you want to listen (and have others listen), both sides should have been there to share their stories.
@@christopheredwards105 The other side is white men, white women, black men, black women, and men and women of all other colors who are not anti-women, but pro-life and pro-baby in the womb, half of which if born will become women one day.
Curtis, I completely agree with you! Only one side was represented! No talk of the rights of the baby who has no voice. A majority of abortions are done out of convenience meaning “I’m not ready yet, and it’s wrong!” And I’m a black woman. This was definitely one-sided.
I agree with you Curtis and HizLove3
@@christopheredwards105 lol typical brainwashed! It’s white men’s fault! How about not to get pregnant or not having sex if their not ready to have a child..
The child in each circumstance was never brought into the conversation.
My wife and I were offered an abortion twice for our second child... he had some really serious life limiting concerns come up on his 12 week scan. We decided to go ahead with the pregnancy anyway, and now we have a perfectly healthy and very happy 8 year old boy. I often wonder how many times babies like my son would have been aborted on the recommendation of the doctor because they might be ill (even though they turn out to be wrong, he's fine). We are so glad for our son and so thankful we chose to not take the doctor's advice to abort.
Beautiful- I know your son is a cherished child.
That's amazing.... (don't like telling people how to run their platforms), but it's perspectives like yours that should have been included in the video.
It's a good thing that you were you were given the CHOICE and decided on what was best for you and your family.
Thank you for sharing
I think it's great you made this choice for yourself. And it must feel really good to have been ABLE to make that choice.
The lives of the unborn babies were never mentioned in this interview, only the lives of the women. BOTH are important, but how did the importance of the unborn not get mentioned? 😞
While I appreciate the courage it took for these women to share their stories, I would have loved to hear more diverse stories of different outcomes. In my counseling experience, (which I understand does not necessarily represent the larger population), the overwhelming majority of clients who had an abortion felt "haunted" by their decision despite having support. They experienced deep grief and regret which they carried decades later. I know this certainly isn't every woman's experience, but I'd like to see stories like theirs represented in this discussion. This was not a pro-choice vs pro-life discussion. It would be helpful to hear from "pro-life" women like the ones I've met who also had an abortion.
I am in the catagory of carrying grief and hainted by my choice. I made the right choice at the time and am pro choice but the grief was real. Thank you for sharing this part of the abortion.
I think both you and the women who had made the choice to avort look at it from the angle of outside pressure, shaming from society and families and combine that with the trauma of finding they are pregnant when they are not ready mentally, financially, maybe in a bad environment, abusive even. It's a mindset for women since birth to be shamed by society just for not being born a dude. Let's please stop the hipocrisy and start treating people fair, with dignity and respect and not do any more of shaming and propaganda. Life is difficult enough as it is, let's stop blaming people for things outside of our control and support the people in the decisiona they have control over, and that includes the choice to carry to term or abort.
You hear from the women who are "haunted" because it's the "haunted" women who seek help. You are correct that your experience does not represent the larger population. I am a woman in my forties. I know many women who have had abortions. None of them regret it, and most were relieved when they received the medical care they needed. These women aren't coming to talk to you, because they don't need to, and I believe this is the majority of women.
Please, don't forget about another side. There are also women who chose NOT to have an abortion, ended up having a child and regretted it. Yet due to the stigma, they have to stay silent and feel ashamed for not "loving" the life they ended up living as opposed to the one they wanted to have.
Also, those poor children have to live knowing that their mother could have had a much better life if they were not here. I know. I am both - a child born to a mother who has not planned me and a mother of a child whom I did not want. It's very painful and nobody wins.
One can have an abortion and regret it later. One can chose to continue the pregnancy and regret it later as well. But it's inhumane to force a person to go one way or another. That's why a choice is important.
@@clberka These women did not seek counseling on account of abortion regret. My work was at an emergency shelter for women aged 18+ experiencing homelessness, and it was of no cost to them. It takes great courage to be vulnerable and truly honest with others, let alone ourselves. People wisely and bravely pursue counseling for reasons far beyond regret over an abortion. There sadly remains a stigma around counseling; there is NO SHAME in needing “help” for anything. It is the strong, not the weak, who recognize their need, reach out, and pursue healing. My point was that there are women who do in fact experience deep loss and even remorse post0abortion and their stories matter too. Even as a minority, there should be room at the table for them to share their experience without judgment or shame. Their experience is helpful for other women to make a fully-informed decision and to be prepared (and make a plan) for possible future psychological stress that many aren’t willing to discuss. Every woman is different. Every experience is unique. Everyone should be heard.
I'm pro-choice, but found it disappointing that additional perspectives were not included. The obvious one being a woman who had an abortion and regrets it? Or a woman who was pregnant and decided not to get an abortion? And the ectopic pregnancy perspective is interesting, but I feel this is very different than an elective abortion procedure as it's not a viable pregnancy to begin with. Understood that these laws may impact ectopic pregnancy procedures but in terms of the true disagreement between pro-choice and anti-abortion advocates, it's most often elective abortions.
The use cases you are sighting are still on the side of 'pro-choice', they still had choice. :)
Unfortunately, the legislation in some states makes the medical provider liable for providing proof that an abortion was life saving. In a life-saving situation, you don't want your medical provider worried about whether they'll be convicted of a crime. States like Texas will end up with women that die due to nonviable pregnancies simply because medical providers are too afraid to act.
States like Ohio forces a 10-years-old rape victim to travel to Indiana for an abortion. Despite the viability of the fetus, a child's body is not meant for pregnancy and giving birth.
The problem with these laws is, as the guests mentioned, the lack of nuance. They divide abortion into black and white lines.
I am pro choice and I happy that the discussion was as is. We never get this far in conversation when it comes to emotional baggage of abortions.
@@VaultBoy13 can you point me in a direction where this argument is substantiated? I'm anti abortion and don't believe those procedures count as an abortion. People like me are waiting to be pointed towards any current stories or legislation to help fight back against when the claim like yours is made.
@@RachelDee they are considered abortion because the termination of an ectopic use the same interventions. Without this treatment, I would have died.
It’s not an uncomfortable conversation if everyone agrees with the point and the other side of that point is not fairly represented.
And No, Dr Yeni did not have an abortion. She had an ectopic pregnancy which is a medical emergency.
This is rather typical of this channel
@@ogemdiorji25 Okay. But now, prove it in court. Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that her pregnancy was ectopic and lifesaving, in front of a jury of your peers. Also, since you are so sure you can prove it, pay the legal fees for the hospital and their staff who will be on trial. Also, since you don't seem to have a problem with that, maybe you can fill in for some of those staff while they spend months in court, unable to attend to their patients. And while you're at it, you'll be doing the same for hundreds of people just like them at a time, since there are states where any random member of the public can claim a bounty for reporting a suspected abortion.
An ectopic pregnancy might not be an abortion, but believe me, there ain't much difference to a doctor.
You do realize that ectopic pregnancies are diagnosed through an ultrasound, right? Literal pictures. Proof. Not to mention, when you go to the hospital, every step is documented by not only your doctor but multiple nurses. Stop spreading fear over something that is easily proven false.
@@trista_sue_writes I cannot stress this enough: the doctors' own legal counsel, their lawyers, the people responsible for knowing and describing legal culpability, are telling them this. The lawyers are saying the laws in several states are too broad and unspecific to risk. I'm going to link and quote from an article:
"They could be resolved by a legislature trying to engage in more specificity, which they will not do," predicts Kim Mutcherson, co-dean of Rutgers Law School whose scholarship focuses on bioethics and reproductive justice. In places where abortion is illegal, legislators will broadly "want to make it as difficult as possible, and one of the ways that you do that is [by] creating a standard where people don't know with specificity whether what they're doing is right or wrong."
Instead, she says, "You have to wait until somebody gets in trouble. You have to wait until there's a case. You have to wait until somebody gets arrested. And then you start to understand, 'OK, this is what the parameters are.'" Clarity through the court system is likely to take months, if not years.
www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107316711/doctors-ethical-bind-abortion
Wow. This is my first time watching this channel and I must say I'm supper disappointed. From the title I expected a civil respectful debate not a group of women agreeing that women are just helpless, uneducated and not able to avoid pregnancy. But I must say that the person that I was the most disappointed in was the women claiming to be a Christian. I'm speechless. She literally embodied every thing wrong with the church today. There are many things that are very black and white in the Bible. You can't justify abortion on demand and say you Follow my Jesus. No ma'am. The real Jesus teaches to protect the most helpless, not decide if their life is worth living. He teaches sacrificial love, not prosperity at the cost of others. I'm saddend by this video. But Jesus has the victory over it all 🙌🏾
Amen
I haven't heard not one pro life person speak.
One of the woman said that having an abortion 'saved her life' because she didn't know if she would have had the same career/life outcome. Of course nobody can determine that, but to say that an abortion saved your life is nonsense and sad. I want to hear people talk about how I knew the consequences of having unprotected sex and I did it anyway.
Cmon, this is not the early days where birth control, sex Ed classes didn't exist. There are SO many preventative measures to take today that abortion should not be one of them.
Folks get real quiet when we talk about preventative measures.
So you’re assuming she wasn’t on birth control without considering it may have failed?
Mind your own business. Stop telling grown people what to do.
Regardless of how someone becomes pregnant, why would you force someone that doesn’t want a child to carry it to term and deliver? As a man I only know from reading and listening to people that have been through pregnancy and it sounds miserable even if you want the child. How much resentment would develop during those 9 months of being uncomfortable while looking forward to either ripping your perineum or being cut wide open?
I will never have to weigh the decision of abortion, so I don’t think I have any say in how someone else makes their decision.
Sorry Ma'am To Mess with you After One Year, But to Make This Comment, You Had to Be Born, By someone called your Mother, You were a sperm cell I was a sperm cell, everyone was a sperm cell, Just be Greatful Your Mother kept you, otherwise you wouldn't be alive today, it's your body, your choice, but also think about the Thing inside of you that will call you mommy or Daddy in a few years, I'm 13, So I have no right to tell what you want to do, but I just wanted to share my opinion, no disrespect Sir Or Ma'am, I bet you are a very beautiful person in life.❤
How was this an uncomfortable conversation? Everyone agrees that sacrificing their children for their goals was the best. Where is someone who completely disagrees? Where is someone who regrets making that decision because those people do exist? I think if anything, this is the most comfortable they have felt talking about what they did.
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Yep!
Where are the pro lifers? The women who sacrificed their dream for a child and have found happiness anyway? I want their stories!
you wont find them here unfortunately. the church would rather side with the world ratger than stand on the word of God.
Same! There are many of those women out there! Let’s hear from them!!
Is your point that these women should have their choices taken away because other women chose to have children?
That’s exactly what I heard, “fulfilling my dreams is better than giving them up for an inconvenience.” I’d like to hear about women who chose life over a gold medal or a career and even over family.
I am honestly confused. Can you not compete in the Olympics if you’re pregnant? If you can not, why? And if you can … why the abortion since it’s a two week difference between a life being protected vs terminated.?
This is not an uncomfortable conversation. There was no one that was pro-life, no discussion of what an abortion actually entails, and no one represented that chose to have the child or gave the baby up for adoption. Also, in an ectopic pregnancy the baby is not viable and the Texas law did have an exception if the mother’s life was in danger. I am sorry the doctor did not know the law, which I find hard to understand. Please make sure you research your information before spreading false information which may endanger women’s lives.
Spot on. It is incredibly hard to believe that these people don't know what an abortion is and isn't. I believe they did this intentionally.
While I agree that it isn't an uncomfortable conversation because no one is asking the hard questions, you're very much mistaken over ectopic pregnancies. the law bans all abortions if fetal cardiovascular activity is detectible and there's no iminent threat to the mothers Life. Pay attention to the wording, is very important.
Your life isn't at risk with an ectopic pregnancy from the get go. They can pass naturally. It isn't until it actually ruptures, where there's a VERY small window to receive care before you die, that it becomes life threatening. Ectopic embryos can have cardivascular activity up until minutes before they rupture.
The texas law blanket bans doctors from performing abortions (a medical proceedure) that actively Prevent people from getting into a life threatening conditions even when any medical professional knows it's coming. So no, there is no exception for ectopic pregnancies until the absolute worst case scenario where survival rate is at it's lowest.
Try to actually have Some kind of understanding of what you're talking about before spouting your nonsense opinion on it.
@@thelittleowl8399 A woman’s life is at risk with a ectopic pregnancy, generally speaking. Most do not pass naturally and use medical intervention. That’s not the same as abortion.
@@thelittleowl8399 feel free to read the bill yourself. Section 171.205 of Texas sb8 (teaxas heartbeat bill) allows exceptions for if mothers life is endangered. And ectopic pregnancies are one of the few conditions where terminating the pregnancy is the only treatment available.
@@kml2546 yes, and again, "life endangered" is only medically difinitive when the mother is literally coding and bleeding out, otherwise it's a gray area. anything done early as a preventative is elective, or as pro-birthers would so kindly put it, "selfish". a person with an ectopic pregnancy can be perfectly fine until the embryo ruptires and until it does, it has a detectible "heartbeat" (it's not a hearbeat but lawmakers are morons).
Problem here is that the only way to truely prove the mothers life was in danger is if she dies, because "if she walked away, was her life REALLY in danger?". Doctors are aware of this and it will prevent them from giving lifesaving treatment. See a problem here?
For anyone wondering, removing a tube with an implanted embryo is not an elective abortion.
This is an instance of a principle known as double effect. The surgery’s intention is to remove a tube that could easily rupture and cause the woman to bleed excessively, given that embryos implant in tissues with a rich blood supply.
The death of the embryo is an undesirable secondary effect of treating the inflamed tissue. It’s not an intentional attack on the growing embryo.
This treatment of the damaged tissue is not forbidden by law, even in Texas, because it’s not an elective abortion. The woman needs the site of implantation operated on so it can heal. The loss of the growing embryo is an unfortunate secondary effect of this treatment.
You are wrong on so many levels. An abortion literally means to end a pregnancy. A miscarriage is also an abortion.
Look up the difference in the words “elective abortion”and “spontaneous abortion” Neither of these instances you mentioned require intentional killing of the baby before removing the ectopic pregnancy or remains of a miscarriage. As a nurse, both of these instances require a medical treatment which is not an abortion and were being performed before Roe and will be continued to be performed. Any doctor who thinks otherwise is incompetent and ignorant of the laws and standard medical care.
# POWER GRAB
only idiots think this has anything to do with fetuses
this has always been about power / population control ,power, race, money and greed
Her doctor was uninformed and has given this woman a story that is false. Removal of ectopic pregnancies are a medical procedure. Period. In every state. Doctors need to be educated do women and men are but confused about their condition and experience. Unfortunately medical coding uses the word abortion which to the public means elective termination.
@@jbailey628 Because it is an abortion. In order to stop an ectopic pregnancy you have to terminate the pregnancy. To correct an ectopic pregnancy you must abort. If you have a miscarriage that is a spontaneous abortion. It's all abortion.
I had an ectopic pregnancy and I personally do not feel I had an abortion. The pregnancy is not viable in a Fallopian tube. I’m so confused they classify it an abortion outside of a uterus. I did rupture so it was emergency surgery so maybe that’s why it feels different to me. I was far past a medication induced treatment. Hmm 🤔 all the different prospectives are interesting.
The Planned Parenthood website says treatment for ectopic pregnancies is NOT an abortion. I’ve seen no literature that says it is. Not sure why this idea is being passed around. So sorry you went through that tough experience!
I completely agree with you!
True. I'm not sure why providing inaccurate information that will emotionally hurt mothers who have gone through this procedure and will mistakenly believe what's said here is a Christian thing to do.
I think the main issue is that doctors fear treating for ectopic pregnancies in anti-abortion states. Doctors will continue to refuse treating patients with issues surrounding pregnancy that you or anyone else may not classify as abortion. However an individual may classify an ectopic pregnancy, it doesn't matter because ultimately people will struggle to get access the the medical treatment they need.
Because Republicans lump all those procedures together thus potentially making doctors “break the law” to do them
This was not a conversation, this was a monologue.
Yeah, because the pro-lifers are both hypocritical, and logically wrong. The discussion was had long ago. It's over, and they were wrong (and dishonest), but they've gotten their way anyhow by cheating the system.
I wish you had had this conversation with people of both views. To imply that people who are pro life are without compassion or empathy is very offensive. It is quite far from it that someone who is pro life is without those things in fact they are with those things on both sides the mother and the child. There are countless resources for women who find themselves pregnant in an unplanned pregnancy that are alternatives to abortion and they could work for people. Next time it would be nice to have the conversation with people from both views and be able to have a rational conversation. Right now in this country everything is so polarized that we don’t understand the people with an opposing view can still have an intellectual conversation and maybe get a little closer to each other then they were before. Please allow this to happen
@@hgrmr0 Nooooo . . . forcing a 10 year old to have her rapist's baby is LOADED with empathy. Right. Look up the word.
@@hgrmr0 Options? You mean like the foster care system that already has 424,000 kids you "compassionate" Reich wingers refuse to adopt?
Amen… Shame on Emmanuel for not including the opposing side and having heretical “Christian’s” trying to push the abortion agenda
You played this one safe Emmanuel.
This was a great conversation. Glad to have heard these important perspectives and answered to tough questions.
Thank you for this talk. We need more!
Thank you for all you do Emmanuel. I personally appreciate it. Keep up the great work. We as a country need this. Blessings my brother.
I had an abortion and regret it. Having an abortion almost destroyed my life, in addition to my child’s life being destroyed. The night of the abortion, I heard a voice say, “Why won’t you let me live”, but I pushed it out of my conscious and went forward with the abortion. What everyone is missing here is that this is a child we’re talking about, not a choice. Why won’t we let them live?
An unborn fetus is not a child. It has no consciousness and it cannot be considered as a living being. Please understand that not all women have the mental nor physical ability to care for another human being. You were likely hallucinating from the the stress of making such a large decision. Please also consider that you would be putting many women's life, physical health and mental health in jeopardy by denying abortions to them.
Beautiful humans and women, thank you for sharing your stories. I'm grateful to be listening to your most deepest thoughts and experiences. Thank you for helping me more deeply understand this issue. This issue that is so deeply unique for each person and deserves to be treated as such.
I appreciate this conversation, but it was a one-sided discussion. You didn’t bring on anyone from the pro-life side to have a conversation also. The headline should’ve been “Pro-choice women sharing their stories.”
"Pro-abortion women who say they're pro-life but explain their feelings behind not being mothers when it was inconvient"
I'd be more interested in hearing a pro-life stance if their opinions were purely agnostic.. but that's rare. Once faith and religion become the basis of someone's opinion on this topic in the context of pro-life I couldn't care less about it because we live in a country founded on the separation of church and state.
If you are looking for pro-life voices from a non-religious view, check out Secular Prolife!
@@ugellin We do have separation of church and state but the country was founded on Christian views. Hence why our laws including the ways the court system works is very closely based on the laws of the Bible. The country has laws like no stealing, killing, harming others, etc. We haven't always gotten it right but it's a pretty good system. This can be a religious argument but really looking at the law, the question is when does life begin. Science says at conception and so if that's the case, can one end that life while inside the mother's womb and if so, are there limitations to that. It may seem that people have religious views about this but truly it's quite easy to express a pro-life view without bringing up religion. Though, as I mentioned before, you could say that about any law we have which is based on morality.
@@93trome we are supposed to have freedom OF religion. The Govt cannot designate a state religion. You are free to live your life abiding by any religion you want. I should not be forced to live my life and abide by laws based on YOUR religion.
Also the founders were flawed white men who owned slaves, oppressed women and committed genocide against the indigenous peoples of this land so I could care less about their view. Their "Christian views" perpetrated those actions.
Why call this a debate between pro-life and pro-choice when all of the panellists are fiercely pro-choice? Maybe the video should be called "echo chamber" instead of "pro-ife vs pro-choice".
I’m grateful for the conversation and that these women so openly shared their thoughts and experiences. I think more people need to hear this conversation period.
Hey Emmanuel! Love your communication style and that you are bold enough to have conversations like this. Thanks man!
I mean, it's kind of easy to sound like a great listener when everyone agrees with your own opinion and you chose all the people represented, though.
Thank you for making space for this conversation, and allowing these voices to be heard. I posted a piece on my blog this morning that echoed so much of what these women shared and offered. I found myself agreeing out loud during the last ten minutes because it so directly echoed many of the points I wrote. It took me a while to decide whether to write all the thoughts I was having, and then decide whether or not to share, as I don't usually speak to the political. But this is not about politics, though that is the vehicle being used. This is about what the women closed with: empathy, compassion, and respect of each other. Thank you so much for this space.
How many of the aborted babies' voices did you hear?
My hairstylist was a single mom of one.
She told me that she was advised to let go of her child ( that is choose abortion)
May be 'life' would have been easier for her
But she tells me now that her son is the best thing that ever happened to her .
Glad she made her own choice! Not forced by anyone.
When kids are born to mothers who don't want them, the ones who suffer the most are the kids. I am glad things worked out that way for her and her child. However, let's also remember the women who had no other choice, but to bring children they didn't want into the world, only to be shamed, punished and stigmatized for being "bad mothers', often by those who think abortions are wrong.
@@sherwood9917 they have the option to give them up for adoption. People seem to forget that third choice.. there are actually people that want them.
@@3ate4 The number of kids, particularly the Black and brown ones, who suffer in the system and simply age-out of the foster system challenge the point you are attempting to make.
@@sherwood9917 what are the statistics on that?
Thank you to Emmanuel and the brave guests for having a conversation and listening to each other!
I appreciate these ladies sharing their stories. He did a great job facilitating the discussion. My heart aches for their experiences.
I would love to see this be a series with sessions on the other aspects of this law. Abortion is the focus of so many conversations, but legal and medical voices speaking to the impacts of women's health, prescription drugs, medical privacy, etc would be helpful.
Disgusting
yes even families, 1/4 have. Domestic volience advocates how this impacts sooo much. Criminal justice too. Punishments and economics too. Al lot already mothers, dr cant give some people medicine without women being on birth control and some places wont sell birth control. Im sure he may done more, it such a intersection of all affected.
@@petegholz690 What is "disgusting", Pete? That pregnancy has a ferocious impact on women's health? That the United States -- with its for-profit money-focused health care industry -- has a maternal mortality rate equivalent to many third-world countries? That doctors are being forbidden to perform certain procedures on women by politicians who don't understand the process or how a woman's body works?
Or is it disgusting that pregnant women can and are being forced against their will to allow their organs and body parts to be used by a total stranger but women who are NOT pregnant -- and men -- do not have to share their bodies against their will? Isn't the life of a person out of the womb just as precious and special as the life of a fetus?
Is it disgusting that the life of a father of four small children who is dying of renal failure or the life of a 5 yr old gunshot victim who is bleeding out on the street is now legally of less value than the life of a fetus?
The Supremes have set themselves up to be confronted by dying Americans who can't survive without a donated organ or body part. They will be demanding the court rule on which "humans" are more deserving of organs stolen from others and explain why their lives are less important!
As transplant surgery continues to improve our nation will continue to be confronted by this issue: What makes the life of a fetus more valuable and worth saving than my life?
Or yours?
Medical personnel need to be more involved in law because only they know the range of why medical procedures are sometimes necessary regardless of faith or beliefs.
@@krisaaron5771 lots of words to promote killing babies in the womb
This conversation was heartbreaking on so many levels. I just don’t understand how we as a society have come to a point when we can ignore the life of the unborn. For so long we didn’t understand the actual science of life beginning at conception. but now we talk abortion as if choosing to end a life is really no big deal. May God have mercy on our souls! Hopefully next time there is a conversation about abortion with women, we also include the pro-life point of view and the mothers that have chosen life even in the toughest of circumstances.
Did you actually watch the video ....
Thank you! This is a conversation starter as I find all your videos.
This is an amazing conversation! It touched my heart and I can relate! I am not sure what I would do if I didn’t have a choice so long ago! Thank you all for being vulnerable and sharing. MJ, I can relate there are not many people in my life that know and/or knew the decision I had to make. Thank you for each and every one of you sharing! Thank you Emmanuel for using you platform to have this conversation!
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But Jesus then said “Go and sin no more”. She conveniently left that out. He showed love and compassion for the woman caught in adultery but never condoned the sin.
It's said that pastors are omitting parts of scripture, so they themselves aren't uncomfortable.
Amen!
Amen
Yes! So much only sharing the parts of scripture that won’t challenge people to deny themselves happening these days!
As a non-American viewer, I needed this, I needed to hear these stories and listen well and feel empathy towards them. Thank you Emmanuel
I would love to see a pro life vs Pro choice conversation. ❤️
# POWER GRAB
only idiots think this has anything to do with fetuses
this has always been about power / population control ,power, race, money and greed
The title seemed to imply that this would happen.
Pro Choice IS pro life.
@@cheyenneroll that’s contradicting
@@cheyenneroll No it isn't! Are you talking about women's lives? Those don't matter. Ask any "pro-lifer."
Yo I’m glad I came across your channel. I came across it with The Wayne Carter video and this one absolutely made me chill, when you guys got into the spiritual side. The way the world sees things is so insensitive now n day and sensitive on the wrong aspects of life/ reality. These Woman are warriors and even though I’ve never experienced an abortion I SUPPORT ALL the woman out there having to do what they have to do for a better future.
While I think it's important to hear these women's personal experiences with abortion, I wish the conversation was more balanced. The title was definitely misleading because I heard little to no input from the Pro-life perspective.
I'm also a bit confused by the story from the lady on the far right. She mentioned having a ectopic pregnancy, which is not considered an abortion and never has been since the 1972 ruling of Roe vs Wade.
I agree. This is not a pro-life/ pro-choice conversation. Where is the balance? This is why we can’t get anything done in our country regarding this issue. Both sides have to talk to each other.
I agree. I feel like it was unfair that there wasn't a pro-life side to this conversation.
Yes I’m sorry I don’t want to call her a liar but ectopic isn’t the same as an abortion the procedure is also usually different as well. I don’t see how someone could reject her and not want to treat her.
@@NAprincess324 Ask the GOP who are trying to ban those procedures too…
So far, I have not seen this as a channel where seriously academic conversations are had.
I wish he would bring in people with thoughts and stances on “both” sides of the issue. This is a platform to defend his stance, not to hear a nuanced and intelligent take from all sides. Disappointing
You too huh lol
Apparently you weren't listening.
not true, I think that he covered a wide range of experience. thank u ladies for ur stories. I'm prolife and u helped me with compassion for women who chose abortions.
make your own youtube that doesn't support a woman's choice or life.
@@RuslanKD Ruslan in the building! *triple party horn sound effect* 🎉
😥 thank you for that discussion, I'm crying because it was so powerful and needed. Thank you ladies for opening up so the world could hear your story. I have never had an abortion but I have had a miscarriage so I understand from a woman's perspective both. Peace and blessings to you all.
Literally just a panel of people who agree with each other. You played it safe man.
AND THANK YOU LADIES FOR SHARING SUCH A VULNERABLE CHAPTER OF YA’LL’S LIFE. ❤️
He had on no pro-life Christians and his team is actively blocking pro-life women in the comments. Total clown loser.
The best way to not have an unwanted pregnancy is to keep your legs closed. There's your choice right there.
@@stopthemediaswaronmen3029 yikes. you know sex is a natural feeling, right?
@@stopthemediaswaronmen3029 lmao bruh why do ppl always say this it’s hit finna change anything… practicing abstinence dosnt work sex is a natural thing i don’t think when ppl have sex they even consider the fact they could get pregnant, i feel like a better solution were if sex education was taught more in schools maybe a mandatory class to take🤔
Vulnerable? The only one that you could say that about was the woman who's life was at risk. The other's had abortions bcus they couldn't keep their legs closed and cared more about their dreams.
Since when does empathy and love require compromise of principle? Loving people, especially broken people, doesn't required support for their decisions.
The pastor brought up the woman caught in adultery and correctly emphasized the love and forgiveness Jesus had for her. However, she conveniently left out the part where he says, "go and sin no more."
Because that isn't relevant to the situation and is ultimately an opinion. Your principles shouldn't condemn thousands, maybe millions of women to death or a lifetime of suffering, struggle, and poverty. Ending an ectopic pregnancy or ending a pregnancy because the mother's life is in danger or the fetus has a non-survivable birth defect isn't a "sin". It's a life-saving medical procedure.
Not that any woman should have to justify her reasoning, but what if a woman is mentally unstable with depression and/or other mental health issues and she knows that either pregnancy or parenthood would likely result in her death by suicide? Pregnancy can literally alter a woman's brain chemistry. Why do you think postpartum depression is a thing? That doesn't make her evil or a sinner. It makes her a human being who is trying to save their own life.
Finally, the vast majority of women who have abortions don't have a second one so if all you said was "go and sin no more" then that's fine. You're welcome to do so... but Jesus DIDN'T say "You made a difficult decision and chose to "sin". Therefore you must die." Because banning abortion even in the case of risk to the mother is condemning thousands and thousands of women to death. Jesus said "He who is without sin cast the first stone.". He didn't then pick up the stone and beat the woman to death with it.
Dexter Chittum, yes, yes, yes...you are so correct. She is telling them what they want to hear, not what they need to hear.
This was so good. Thank you all so much.
I love your "conversations" videos, but this one fell short of my expectations. It was interesting, but could be so much more. Your videos model the kind of conversations that we should all be trying to have in our own lives with those around us that have different opinions and life experiences, and that is SO valuable and SO needed!! Please continue this conversation, but bring more diversity in.
How could you like his previous "conversations" when they were mostly shaming? Telling white people how they think and to do this or that. As a black dude myself, those were cringeworthy.
@@IWantToMature85 Agreed.
Completely agree! It seems like a weird sense of "compassion" when everyone is in a room agreeing with one another. Compassion is so much more and should be strong enough to extend to people we don't agree with.
@@IWantToMature85 the country shames women enough on this very topic, why is it so upsetting for him to create a safe space for these women to confess their sin that you people think is the worst thing in the world! Comparing Europeans racist antics and the feeling of supremacy is like oranges to apples! I would love to see this same energy at a foster home where a lot of unwanted children are being neglected and abused or perhaps an abuse shelter. I have never seen anyone protesting there or standing up for these living breathing children. Let’s throw them away but keep forcing women to have more and more children! Whew what a backwards world we live in
Thank you for hosting a difficult and probably painful conversation with such kindness and empathy.
Thank you ladies for speaking your stories!! I admire your strength!!
Strong, I’m not so sure about that… first two lame excuses were “I did’t want to be poor”, “I wanted a gold medal”, the other lady has an ectopic pregnancy so not really an abortion
This is so real 🙏🏾🙏🏾 thank you for sharing ladies
I enjoyed this conversation. So much of what was shared was so powerful.
Great conversation, I appreciate all the women on the panel for sharing their stories.
As a man, I will be quick to listen and slow to speak! Thank you for teaching me things. Much love and continued success. Impressive panel of individuals!!!
As a woman, I would encourage you to also listen to pro-life women. Pro-choice women like to shun men out of having an opinion about abortion, but I encourage you to listen to both sides, which is something this video doesn't allow you to do. (UA-cam sometimes deletes comments with links, but if you search the 30-minute documentary "Pro-Life Feminists" you will see that it is entirely possible to be pro-life and pro-woman) Also, I would encourage you to research issues like "gendercide" and things like that. If you look close enough, you will realize pro-choice is actually not pro-woman at all.
This was very much a one sided conversation. I respect these women for telling their stories. What I would of liked to have seen and heard was opposing sides giving each other the chance to explain. Medical and law experts of both sided would of been great to have seen and heard as well. I have to admit because of this, the video was a bit disappointing.
If he brought on actual Christians who understand what the Scripture says, then his agenda would be exposed and his attempt to portray abortion as something of which God approves would be debunked.
I agree
I think by the opposing side already getting their way with the law about abortions, we don’t really need to hear about them in this video. I’m honestly sick of hearing what they have to say cuz it’s always the same. “It’s a life” “You’re killing a baby that was soon going to be born” it’s all the same in every video I watch about anti-abortion ppl 🫤
@@myalagic378 If pointing out that the”thing” bring ripped apart limb by limb does not move you to reconsider your ideology and position, then nothing will-you are beyond help.
Sadly, this is what much of America has become… cold, ruthless, and immoral but pretending to have all of these qualities and more.
@@Sanddollar1 Obviously I can see how brutal the procedure can be, but at the end of the day, fetuses have not touched the earth and they don’t have the full brain compacity to understand/ feel pain. I look at it as life support, yes it’s sad to pull the plug, but ultimately they don’t feel nor understand what’s happening 🤷🏽♀️ and I don’t need help, I look beyond my feelings and also understand the FACTS to form an opinion :) America is ruthless, but NOT because of abortions
Thank you for helping me in my pain. Thank you MJ for saying we can be all five. Thank you everyone for sharing.
Dag. What is so wrong about not having sex before marriage? That’s the main problem here.
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences to show people need more empathy and stop thinking of abortion as a mass issues instead of individual experiences.
Is the death of 600,000 people a year in the USA not a mass issue?
True, I told my girlfriend I'm pro choice on a mass scale, but if you kill my baby you're a murderer
I cannot “collectively live in harmony” with this message. It grieved me heart and soul. God forgive us. Your truth will prevail. These people are preaching lies.
AMEN ❤
Everyone on this panel was pro-choice. It wasn't anyone but pro-choice talking to each other. That part was very disappointing-I thought Acho would do better bc of his track record in doing so.
To all the guests: I am pro-life, womb to tomb, and I don't know you but do care about you and the child you lost. I would never call an ectopic pregnancy viable so it's not an abortion. I do celebrate the lives that will be saved in this S.C. decision while I pray and financially support the THOUSANDS of pro-life centers working hard, day and night, to expand to new territory (like urban and rural areas) and support women, their dreams, their preborn babies, their born babies, their growing families, and the father (who more than ever these men are starting to show up and want to be a part of things). I support other pro-life (but with other names) organizations, centers, and advocacy programs who reach a wide array of humans in the thick of things. It is possible to fight for both the woman and the child's rights to a life that can be looked back on and know that all the ups and downs were accomplished because each one had someone to turn to. We can fight for that, now. So where's all the big donation dollars from the people who have big checkbooks, in these needs? Will they be the ones to refuse to fund life-giving centers bc they wanted a different ruling? Let's come together to find and support all lives, from coast to coast, period.
It said pro life vs pro choice and thought there was going to be a pro lifer on.. I was wrong
Why do we need to hear from someone trying to tell others what they have to do with their bodies? That would be great. 🙄
@@PMichaels I mean we just listened to a 27:27 second video of people talking about how they forced death on another person, so maybe they could balance it out. Or at least change the name of the video to “pro-choice vs no other opinion because of you aren’t pro child murder we don’t want to hear from you”.
@@TheKj85 Oh, Kaleb… Did you have fun storming the Capital on January 6th?
Not saying I wanted to hear a debate or hear someone shame them .. just wanted someone to ask certain questions to get a better understanding
@@PMichaels The same gross January 6th when Trump supports stormed the capital? No, I would never do such a disturbing thing.
I’m assuming that because you resort to ad hominem’s that have nothing to do with either your or my original comment that you have no actual response?
Not enough people are on the side of, "Mind your own GD business"!
So basically...pro choice?
It’s your body God will forgive you
Say this louder for the people in the back!
@@52baldingindianjanitor72 Whatever you choose to do with your own body is your own business.
When I first saw the title to this video, I thought that it would be two women that are Pro-Life and two women Pro-Choice. When a woman gets pregnant, a life is growing on the inside of her. Life is precious!!!!
This was very deep, beautiful and very much needed. This is a wonderful conversation
I too wish there was more of a pro life balance here. I also know Emmanuel is a Christian so I was surprised not to see a fairer representation.
As much as I empathize with Sanya, I do wish that he had asked her if she had any regrets.
I understand she had her dreams but what’s more important? A competition? Or a baby’s life? I feel sad for her and how long she’s carried that around and she deserves love and forgiveness. It just makes me sad. That baby is in heaven.
Yeah, this would have been a more balanced, fair conversation.
Just because you are a Christian doesn’t mean you can’t be pro-choice. I wish there were no abortions but in the world we live in that isn’t possible. Jesus taught us to be compassionate and not judge others. Why should you get to tell another woman to have to keep a baby after she has been raped? WWJD?
Im not some expert on what constitutes Christianity or doesn’t, but Im not positive Emmanuel is too serious about the Christian faith. He comes off to me as someone who wants to be associated with all the good things (wisdom, patience, etc.) and none of the more unpopular things.
@@JK-ts1bl I totally see what you’re saying. You may very well be correct. However, I did hear him on a Christian podcast recently and he was very encouraging. That being said, he still gives off those vibes like he wants to be seen a certain way by all people. Even if that means putting his faith in the backseat. Which makes me sad for him.
She was asked that question on another podcast (The Pivot) and said what she felt was not regret but a mournfulness. You can watch the podcast on youtube (her w/her husband) and get the info yourself in case I'm not repeating it correctly.
You are truly one of the most inspiring individuals! Thank you for everything I’m beyond grateful that you are able to create such meaningful and educational content and beyond. Continue to thrive!!!
Amazing interview ❤️
Very good and yes, an uncomfortable conversation. Thank you for not making it a debate!!!
This is a very one-sided conversation 😔 I was hoping for a conversation that discussed more than advocating for one side.
Agreed !
We always hear the both sides convo and we only get to a certain point because folks are so busy defending their point of view. We got a little deeper because they could go so deep.
Amen!
@@Salutations26 Well, here everyone is just telling their stories so it's not really a debate. So listeners would just get to hear another person's story.
People are just mad that the prolifers here are actually level headed. Y’all want to hear the angry yell at u and throw bible verses in ur face prolifers. When I’m reality prolifers should look like the women who were on this panel.
Great conversation, thank you ladies for sharing 🙏
Very disappointing. I too thought this would be an actual conversation between people with differing views. Unity will never happen if we only surround ourselves with people who think just like us. I was hoping for something better.
I wish that everyone could watch this program. I am a teacher and my students are freshmen and sophomores and I was floored when the discussed abortion in class, all on their own. I reminded them that I was in the class and they responded it is because you are in the class we can discuss this. They said that they knew I would not judge and that I would provide information. I am pro-choice. I face two pregnancies that were not viable and my life was at risk. Both times I had a d & c, which under current circumstances may not be possible. Emmanuel, I watch you all the time on Speak for Yourself. You make me mad talking about my Dallas Cowboys but I admire you so much. When you first got on SFY I had to Goigle you but after watching a few times I came to admire you. Shows such as Uncomfortable Conversations raises that admiration to a whole other level of respect. Please keep doing shows like this. You are a blessing.
I liked this and I think you should do one with a panel of men as well, having the same conversation
Love this one, Emmanuel. And thank you to the beautiful women who opened up and shared their stories for the world to hear, they are such brave and kind souls. This is normally a difficult conversation to have, and you were able to conduct it with such grace and empathy that I wish more people had. I also thoroughly enjoyed Pastor Chelsea and more specifically her comment on how this video put faces and souls behind the statistics that everyone shares when trying to explain how important safe and legal abortions are. So well done in every aspect.
I hear people use the term safe abortions and there is no such thing. Abortion is never safe, maybe for the mom but never for the baby.
There are definitely safe and unsafe abortions, for the mother, who is of utmost importance. Millions of women will be putting their own lives at risk and in many cases dying in order to perform unsafe abortions. If you would rather an unborn fetus be saved than a grown, living and breathing human, then that’s your own opinion and that shouldn’t be legally enforced on others.
Chelsea Smith was supposed to represent the pro life perspective? She didn’t.
There is no way you are surrendered to Christ and pro abortion.
Destroying your own progeny is not a righteous act, is it?
You can't claim this was a "Pro-choice vs pro-life" discussion when everyone on here is clearly for abortion.
Those women aren't for or against abortion they're for the right to have that choice. You can tell it wasn't an easy an it still affects them today because it's been a secret they've kept for yrs. It's a difficult decision but it was there's to make. 27 states have the Death Penalty! Where's the fight for their lives?
Agree
Oh, for FORK'S sake. no one is "for abortion!" That's ridiculous. We are PRO CHOICE. that means YOU can choose to have a baby! or you can choose to not, for a myriad of reasons! And it's not always a 23 year old woman who accidentally gets pregnant, and wants to go party instead of raising a baby. I think my head is going to explode if i hear any more hogwash from the "pro birth" movement.
No one on this panel was "FOR abortion". If you watched, they even stated that. I hate abortion but it's an important, sometimes medically necessary health care procedure that needs to be available.
Great convo....want to be big like you bro G. Blessings and more life
Next time have three pro-life guests and one pro-choice guest. The only uncomfortable thing about this conversation is its one-sided.
So you don’t think them talking through this experiences is uncomfortable… MJ literally said she had never discussed this within a public forum and had not even told her parents. I’d imagine the fact that she felt like she didn’t want to discuss this with her parents is because the topic itself is…uncomfortable.
@@serenity9205 Maybe they should have delved deeper into why it’s uncomfortable
@@jerry_phillips maybe you should actually listen to the conversation-as they address exactly why it was uncomfortable for each of them…multiple times.
What a great conversation, so needed. Thank you all for sharing these difficult stories in such an eloquent fashion. Hopefully this can get more people to listen and understand that we should have our own choices about our bodies.
It’s so heartbreaking that these women think they wouldn’t have been able to keep their babies & still achieve their dreams. This is a lie told to women by the abortion industry. 😢
This was great!
Thank you for this difficult but wonderful, beautiful conversation. Such incredibly strong women. Thank you for sharing your stories ❤️
I thought I was just going to click on this & watch just a few minutes but I couldn’t stop! Super good episode. We NEED these conversations.
The same here; I absolutely thought, listen a little and keep on 'Channel Surfing's. We need more of this forum....
@@jacquelinedavies6867 yes literally! If you like content like this, I have some great conversations on my podcast too! You can check it out on my page if you’re interested! 🙂
I had my first kid at 19 and my last at 40 I do not regret a single one I had different plans for my life but God wanted another path
Thank you 🙏🏻 for having this uncomfortable conversation.
It wasn’t, it was a one sided pro-abortion praise. Total nonsense.
Come on man where are the pro lifers this is not an uncomfortable conversation
My husband and I had a child and didn’t want another at the time. I didn’t feel I was prepared in any way for a second child at the time. He said, “It’s your body, sweetie. Whatever you want to do - I’m with you. I support you. I love you.”
I’m so sorry. That’s awful he didn’t support you and the life he helped create. Not with actual help and support, anyway.
@@GratiaPrima_ I choose not to believe you’re ignorant. I prefer to believe that you misread or misunderstood. He TOTALLY supported me. He TOTALLY respected me as an adult with a brain. He was TOTALLY my partner. Not sure why you didn’t get that. Whatever the reason, bless your heart. I pray you will have someone/people in your life who will support you as completely.
I love this! It’s a wholesome conversation
Wasn't even a conversation
The only people who say that are those who agree with it. The whole purpose of "uncomfortable conversations," when the show started used to be getting people from different sides to come together, like when he had the police talk about BLM. This was a preaching to the choir video.
I have A LOT of thoughts on this very biased conversation, but I would really like to point out as a healthcare worker how very horrifying it is to hear that an OBgyn was unwilling to treat a so-called ectopic pregnancy for 2 WEEKS. Their license should be revoked for that alone. That is an emergency treatment NOT an elective abortion. Don’t even get me started on the “after hours” service…
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK! It's so unfortunate that this misinformation is being spread to scare women who are uneducated.
Uhh, neither of those women were misinformed, they were rightly wary of what could happen to them trying to make that decision in Texas. They were well informed and intimidated by government intrusion into healthcare by ill-informed policy lawyers.
I can’t imagine ever deciding that my own fetus’ life has no value. We should not get to decide who’s life has value.
But we certainly should be able to decide if our own life has value and does not want to be totally derailed by being forced to have a child...if you believe that fine that is your 'choice', it is not your right to make choices about another's body and life.
@@myronschabe so you agree? It is not your right to make these choices about another’s body and life. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@myronschabe Life is full of derailments as you put it. Life is rarely a straight line. The saying "when life gives you lemons, make lemonade" is all about "derailments" and making the best of situation and moving on with life. To many women, like chose life and still reaching there dreams or their dreams changed.
@@sweetpea22000 That CHOICE Is not something you have any F-ING right to force on people, your religious beliefs are NOT the majority of Americans.
I have very happily had an abortion and there was never a second I regretted or second guessed the decision.
My entire life has been about the pursuit of truth!
Take your f-ing pedestrian mere dogmatic belief system and shove it up your _ss.
You have absolutely no idea the karma and the suffering u bring on people with your F-ing righteous meddling in other peoples lives because of your own insecurities about an afterlife and ignorance of life!!!!
The is an f-ing Democracy NOT an theocracy!!!
Shame on you for what you ( the 'Christo' Fascist movement ) are doing to women (and men and children)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get out of fairyland and into practical 3D reality about this issue.
I think it's wrong for people to act like people who are pro-life have no compassion. We all make mistakes, but what about "compassion" for the unborn child, and taking responsibility for your actions (yes the man is a participant, but so is the woman). If the mother's life is in danger due to pregnancy, save her life, but it's clear that people are magnifying cases that don't happen as often as women just having abortions to keep from taking responsibility.
This wasn’t an uncomfortable conversation. It didn’t include the voices of the people who are out there fighting for those who don’t have a voice. Our most vulnerable lives, the unborn, are thankfully getting closer to having their human rights recognized by the overturning of Roe v Wade. Also, these people are so close to getting it..understanding why it’s so hard to accept, why there is shame. It’s because you’re intentionally ending a human life that you chose to create. The choice was already made.
great video very important coversation!