everybody must take sides against evil or perish. We have free will you can choose for good, if you don't choose for good you're automatically choosing for evil! there is no fence sitting when you stand before Jesus and he called out your judgment. Remember the four last things death judgment Heaven or hell!!!!
@@ashleylamarche9306 it's understandable when she is placed in that position. She wants to keep her inner peace. But there's no rest in this life because we're in a struggle against evil.. We all must speak out and stand against evil or we are complicit with it. We will be judged accordingly to what we done and what we have failed to do. There is no neutral corner before the judgment's throne of God.
@@otisjenkinsjr.3556 And glancing at some of your other comments, you really have a problem with her. Why? Do you not understand that she had nothing to do with Roe vs Wade? No more to do with it than YOU or me.
The fact that she thought everyone would blame her for abortion being made legal, when she was a literal child, shows just how messed up this world has become.
Well it must have been her parents, bc if you listen, even the people most strongly against a mother's right to kill her own child in her womb, would never blame an innocent child for it, that is exactly the opposite of their cause.
I CAN'T BELIEVE reporters jumped her walking down the street and heartlessly broke the news that she was not only adopted, but that she is the Roe baby. How disgusting. I'm glad she grew up in a loving, supportive family; its hard to imagine how much worse things could've been for her.
I think that was the part that tipped the scales for me. Provided that everything said in this interview is the truth, I no longer defend NC as a pro life advocate and that’s a shame to me cuz we did need her but we needed an honest advocate not a pawn in someone’s power game or a con artist vying for attention and money. One of the 10 commandments is Thou shalt not bear false witness. That’s what happened here and there’s no telling what the ramifications will be down the road.
Well, she could have ended up in pieces in a dish as abortion nurses attempt to put back her cut up body so as to ensure that no pieces of her own body would still be in her mother's body. I think that would have been worse.
I am a man who almost was not. My mother wanted an abortion but my grandmother talked her out of it and started raising me when she was 80 years old. Thank you for saving my life grandma.
@@darthmader057mmm6 I don't. That is the way of a vengeful mind. She was suffering with drug and alcohol problems and passed away from an over dose. I would rather be thankful that she took my grandmother's advice and let me live. That is better in my heart than hating her and wishing her ill.
@@darthmader057mmm6 no worries mate. I completely understand. I feel blessed to have been raised by my grandma. She taught me to forgive. "In a world that seems full of darkness make sure that the only thing you bring is light."
OK, as a Christian, I can tell you: God would NEVER tell ANYONE to bomb a clinic, no matter what treatment or surgery they are performing. We value LIFE above all things, and that goes for EVERYONE! How dare they do such hate crimes saying "God told them to". That's blasphemy and shameful!!!! This is a touchy subject, but as the Bible says, "let's REASON together."
Isaiah 1:18, where the prophet says to Judah, “'Come now, and let us reason together,' says the Lord, 'Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be as wool. '”
I agree but the Christian faith emphasises faith and Abraham is praised for his willingness to sacrifice his son although he was stopped in the nick of time. The Old Testament is filled with examples of God telling people to kill people for one thing or another including committing genocide. I agree people should question any voice in their head that says its God. People think God has guided them to this or that or spoken to them. It's wrong but it's what a lot of people believe. The bombing of abortion clinics is something almost no one of any religion would ever do but unfortunately when a religion teaches that God speaks to people and has as much bloodshed as The Old Testament contains it is going to sadly result in some awful stuff. Plus I suppose the notion of the sacrificing people for the greater good eg lots of innocent people are killed in wars does send a message that the ends justify the means. It's appalling killing abortion doctors but in their minds it's justified and they are protecting the innocent from killers. I agree it's horrible and can't be allowed to happen though. I guess it's like stopping terrorists. If someone thinks doing the wrong thing is in fact the right thing change their minds is hard.
@@jamesrobertson432 those “Christians” are not christians. “If a man says he loves me, but hates his brother he is a liar and is not of me” What do you mean by genocide? Also Abraham was praised for his obedience and humbled spirit. It was to know God’s love in context to know how painful it would be for God to sacrifice his son for sin.
I used to work with Jennifer. She was my supervisor. A reporter came to our job looking to speak with her, and that's when she told me who her mother was. God bless her and her family. She still looks the same.
I think that kind of signals lasting damage. Resentment is not healing. It's a good thing she has her biological sister to connect with and garner an understanding of her mother. I am taking Shelly's side, but sense there is a lot of hurt there that time alone has not fully healed. I would not advise a friend or family member to take that approach. Hopefully she continues to manage and surrounds herself with those who love her.
@Lilman Yellow - Birth control is not guaranteed. People cannot be consistent and if they have GI issues they forget to use back up. Only abstinence is 100%
Are you kidding? Her words are neither true nor balanced! Her biological mother gave her life when she could have resorted to having an abortion-she absolutely deserved to see the daughter whom she saved but was pressured to kill! Her attitude ought to be one of gratitude and thankfulness to God!
@@amyschlegel1180 Her mother was fighting tooth and nail to kill her. Her mom had to have her because of law. Her mother is partly responsible for millions of babies executions. The only time birth giver and not mother is acceptable to me. Glad she died lonely.
Me too. She should feel no blame for anything. She didn't choose for her mother to do this. My heart before her, so glad she was raised in a good loving home at least. I cant even imagine what has gone through Shelly's mind and heart 😔
@@bigred4379 True.... In the fact that it had taken the supreme court 50 years to undo their mistake. Notice you said "law was passed." And that's what they did despite them not being a law making body. Sure, they have an effect on laws via interpretation but this was creating a law with the weakest constitutional support they could find, which does not stand up to the weakest scrutiny" for something the constitution does not discuss. And it had taken 50 years for the court to grow a spine and consider reversing the deadlock they created on the people and the representatives to make their own laws. The fact that this is still just as contentious shows how significantly the 1973 court erred and made itself a political body. It's also pretty interesting that despite the hundreds of petitions to the supreme Court to consider limiting or overruling Roe, the many times Democrats had full control over government they never took the time to codify roe into actual law instead of just a court precedent that acted like one.
@@sheldonhatch8255 yeah, she is a wonderful symbol for how religion must be separated from law and a stern reminder that passionate protest can turn violent, so you must be wary of whatever cause you fight for. The fact that people bombed abortion clinics and killed dozens of people breaks one of the highest commandments. Not form of being a Martyr for the cause can justify this lunacy. I can only pray to God for the day 10 year old rape victims are freed from the grotesque body deformation, mutilation, and probable death that the victim would have endured without intervention. We need abortion protection to come back so the idiocy of people like the judge in Ohio who denied a 10 year old incestual rape victim the right to have a potentially lifesaving medical procedure done can be prevented.
What a traumatic way to find out about your biological parent. It's so sick and cruel what those reporters did to her. I'm glad she now realizes it's not really about her. And what a blessing to have found her biological sister. God bless them. ❤️🙏🏽
But it is, in a sense, about her. It is about the fact that she could've been aborted. The decision revolved around whether she grew up to be this woman we see before us... Or not. And she wasn't even part of the decision, one that was about her and around her.
If you dont like abortions don't get one." Mind your own business. "If that's the case" "If you dont like guns don't get one" "If you dont wanna get pregnant don't have s_ex in the first place". "The problem with abortion is that it steals the most innocent form of life. Don't say you fight for human rights if you don't fight for it at the very beginning," "If a baby has seperate DNA then a mother dependency does not rely on child support"
If you dont like abortions don't get one." Mind your own business. "If that's the case" "If you dont like guns don't get one" "If you dont wanna get pregnant don't have s_ex in the first place". "The problem with abortion is that it steals the most innocent form of life. Don't say you fight for human rights if you don't fight for it at the very beginning," "If a baby has seperate DNA then a mother dependency does not rely on child support"
@@anonymousreaper2186 not everyone seeking an abortion does so because they want to. Politicians, judges and the average American aren't qualified or intelligent enough to determine a medical emergency, and that's why we shouldn't be passing legislation based on opinions. And if you look at the facts regarding gun safety, it makes more sense to ban them than to tell someone not to buy them. You can end up shot without exercising your constitutional right to bear arms, especially in the US. But you can end up having an abortion with every intention carrying your child to term. Not at all the same.
I remember how my mother wanted to abort me when she was pregnant with me. I don’t talk to her, she raised me and my childhood was living hell. So much hell I left the country and had my daughter here. Those two women were given a chance in life growing up with two beautiful families. I used to run away from home. Not all families are family. The mother didn’t do well in life, but at least she did good knowing that she wasn’t good enough for them to raise them, that she was a dark person. Not all mothers can raise a child, not all parents can be nurturing parents.
Like she said, she had absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm glad she and her half sister found each other and have a loving bond. That right there is priceless. It's also great that she was fortunate enough to be adopted into a loving, safe and healthy functioning family.
The interviewer was biased and hurt her own message. There are key details to all of this left out meant to paint a very specific picture. As all media is wont to do.
The interviewer kept trying to make "Baby Roe" a victim-hood saint. "Baby Roe" gave a stellar performance & by giving this interview, made herself the "victim." She never spoke to her birth mother, which is her right, & then she refused to forgive that same mother, also her right under "free agency." As I see it, she turns out to be the victim she claimed not to be. I see a book deal in the making, which again is "Baby Roe's" right to do; however, two wrongs don't make a right.
Yep, like her mentally unstable mother who helped legalize abortion. When I'm talking to strict anti-abortion people, I like to remind them that a lot of these women aren't women who should even have babies. They're going to traumatize the babies with their liberal human-hating "I should do anything I want without repercussion" ideology. And we don't want more of these kind walking around.
@@jillcooper6371 a lot of cases that go to the Supreme Court end like this. Like that girl who said she didn't get to her college of choice because of affirmative choice. By the time there was a ruling she had already graduated and was working.
I was adopted and feel like my biological parents made their decision by giving me up as a baby. Now that I am an adult that decision is mine, I have no regrets, for never reaching out to meet them. My adopted parents were my parents they are the ones who raised me and gave me my values. These other people just gave me the opportunity to live which might have turned out differently if abortion was legal when I was born.
For lots of BM it’s a big sacrifice to give up their baby for adoption. I believe that most would want to keep their baby and raise it but they simply have. Other choice
You have no idea what kind of challenges your birth mother was facing. It's possible she was very young, and not supported by her family. She may have been shamed for getting pregnant. She may have been raped. It is not an easy decision to give up a child. She may also have been pressured in to giving you up.
You're lucky. My bio mom got custody of me (she was white my dad is black) and my life was a nightmare bound to her. I finally got away and my dad got custody when I was 14. I thank God I was able to live with a parent who loved me and set an example for me. I still deal with the trauma of what that woman put us through, I'll find a way to forgive her maybe when I die.
Norma was a toxic person & had many issues. This daughter realize that & is better off not allowing her mother to be in her life. Some people you can only love from a great distance & Norma is one of those mothers. That's reality. I'm so glad that this daughter was raised by two really good, healthy people & is able to have a realtionship with the biological sister.
I agree with her daughters that their mom was kind of crazy as she moved from pro-choice to pro-life depending on which group would pay her more money of give her publicity. Thankfully her daughters were adopted to loving families because their natural mom never seemed in the right state of mind to raise any of them......Even right until the end their natural mother didn't seem to completely sane.
This is something I would normally never share on social media but due to the current situation. I feel it's necessary to get a point across. I was raped as a 17 year old and became pregnant. Everyone around me pushed for having an abortion. I decided to keep the baby and from something that was the most traumatic experience I my life. Came something that's been the most beautiful and loved thing in my life. I don't look at my son and remember the trauma. It's actually been an extremely healing experience. I cried with joy after I first laid eyes on him. Now everyone regrets pushing for abortion. My parents went white in the face after I mention what could of happened to my son. I never mentioned it again. Why should my son have paid the price for something he no control over? It wasn't his fault and now he's an A student and incredibly gifted athlete
If abortion is not legalized and unwilling women are forced to endure the pregnancy, programs should be placed to help women recuperate and aid them raise the children they didn't want. And in the first place, many don't want kids because they lack the resources that are affordable and accessible. If not, what's the point of being pro life if we stop taking care of the mother and child after birth?
Well we have like almost the most help to low income people in the world. Public housing, WIC, food stamps, medical assistance, child care assistance, grants to go to college, non profits out there to help low income people. I know people on those programs who honestly live better than a ton of people. Like what more do you need?
I would have thought she was maybe 40 . She speaks like a lady who feels no need or want in Drama. She sounds like a women with real honest conviction, unlike 98% of most female's this lady has her plan's.
friendly reminder: not all kids that go into the foster care system go into loving homes. most get put into the care of abusive parents. the foster care system is absolutely insane and there are still thousands of children in the system that will most likely be in there until they’re “old enough to take care of themselves”. it’s these rare cases that makes me have hope for the future of this country, but i believe abortion 100% should stay legal because of all of the mental and physical health aspects of it.
You realize that kids will go into adoption agencies and not foster care systems? Literally like 95% of kids who go into the foster care system are from pre-existing households they were born into. So, now you just made an argument for killing kids in foster care, not killing unborn humans. Congrats on supporting genocide!
@anonymous so what's moving in a pregnant woman's stomach? Is she controlling it herself? No it's a baby and it's alive so of course we just kill the ones in the womb when we try to solve out the kids that do suffer even though everybody's going to suffer because that's life
Thank you! In most situations where abortion is desired is where the living situations are going to be bad for a child regardless. Sentencing both a child and mother to a hard life is not fair to either of them. I would’ve been fine being aborted if my birth would’ve cause issues like that
Yeah except let’s remember that shitty parents will keep having children who end up in the system. Abortion does not stop children from ending up in foster care.
I am SO very glad she is not allowing herself to be used by any side of this discussion. She is living her life with joy and integrity and I applaud her.
@@ts4231 no she is wise so that the right and the left doesn't use her for their side. She is choosing to not disclose so she is no longer bothered and used as a pawn
Leave this woman alone. Damn. She should not be the face of either movement. Both sides believe (minimally) that once someone is a baby and born, that they have a right to life. Let this woman live.
Wonderfully said! It is interesting that the ruling really had no impact on her birth. I can understand why people want to hear her perspective, but she is amazing for taking the stance that her position is too personal to discuss. I'm in awe of this woman and how she has handled how people have tried to exploit her.
I’ll be out on the open. I am not pro-choice except under extenuating circumstances where there’s an incompatibility with life for either mother and child. But where I differ with you and conservatives completely is that (minimally) pro-life people are not for the child’s right to life at all. Right to life doesn’t stop at birth, it begins. And that means providing care and economic support for them and the parent. And conservatives want to turkey stuff their gullets about protecting the baby’s rights to life while denying them healthcare and access to food and affordable shelter. I’m pro-life, but the buck doesn’t stop there. Most women seeking abortions are economically disadvantaged. That means, if you’re going to force a birth, that means you must be pro right to life, pro healthcare, pro housing, food and education. Conservatives are a bunch of hypocrites!
@@sadepennbrook I’m shocked people like you are out there and it gives me some hope. I always hear pro-life people stop dead before they talk or even consider the life of a child after they were born, and had to be someone’s responsibility. It’s always “well, she should’ve kept her legs closed” when time comes to feed, clothe and nurture- but there’s no money or no love, even. I don’t like abortions nor the idea of them, but I’d never have so little compassion to force a woman, against her will, to give birth and then abandon her and her child to their own devices. If I’m not willing to *personally* take responsibility for them, then accept the fact that it’s her body and her decision. I really don’t think the U.S will have a good support system for mothers and kids any time soon, so the best alternative becomes safe, free and easy contraceptives/education and access to abortions if it has to come down to that. In the end it comes down to facts and statistics: who/what has helped women and children more? Not conservatives, and not pro-life policies, that’s for sure.
@@sadepennbrook There's some false premises and data there. Right wing affiliate groups are more likely to adopt and more likely to donate to crisis centers (which you can find through Live Action). Sure, many of us don't put action to our beliefs. But many of us do. We continually think through different solutions of continual care for both the mother and the baby as communities while maintaining limits of jurisdiction at the federal, state, and local level.
@@sadepennbrook you're completely wrong. The Catholic Church which is obviously pro-life, spends more money feeding hungry people via charitable contributions than any other organization in the world.
I wonder where their fathers are. That woman didn't just 'find herself pregnant.' There has to be more of holding men accountable for bringing up their children.
Maybe so, but the mother is STILL CHOOSING to murder that baby and she would do it wether or not the Father is involved or not. I have SEEN a Father BEG the mother "not to kill OUR child" while she goes into the abortion clinic. Abortion needs to be addressed from the pulpit on Mothers DAy.
@@allyip5777 indeed. Not just that. We need action. There have to be policies that encourage men to do their duties as fathers and penalise them when they don't. Most men walk away because they can. There are many women who would keep the baby if they knew someone would support them psychologically and financially.
If you're against abortion, why not support comprehensive sex education? Support social programs for children in poor struggling homes? Support initiatives for free and low-cost contraceptives? Better maternity leave? Support foster care and adoption programs? THIS IS PRO-LIFE! Supporting the lives already here for better quality of life! *If a woman wants an abortion bad enough, SHE WILL DO IT, DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES.*
There's different types of sex education, like "abstinence plus" sex education. There's plenty of pro-life couples who adopt and do foster care. There's lots of pro-life organizations that help mothers, like Let Them Live. And abstinence and self control are always free, and contraceptives are already available.
@@karaokeandrandomclips Two scientific review papers find abstinence-only-until-marriage programs and policies in the United States are ineffective because they do not delay sexual initiation or reduce sexual risk behaviors. According to the researchers, these programs also violate adolescent human rights, withhold medically accurate information, stigmatize or exclude many youth, reinforce harmful gender stereotypes, and undermine public health programs. Both papers are published online in the Journal of Adolescent Health.
@@persephonestardust2498 I said "Abstinence plus", not "Abstinence only". And I believe Utah has one of the lower rates of teen pregnancy even though they teach abstinence only sex education, because the Mormon culture teaches abstinence before marriage, so it can work. Countries like South Korea also has more conservative attitudes about sex and has low teen pregnancy rates. And I'm curious about "adolescent human rights" in regards to sex- how young do you think is too young to have sex?
I am adopted, I’m also pro choice, and I 100% understand and empathize where this woman is coming from. I respect her for keeping her opinion on the matter private, and I understand why she feels the way she feels. She had nothing to do with this and she owes us no explanation.
@@krissifaith6709 why is that supposed to be surprising? There's a countless number of very valid reasons why one would be pro- choice based in morality and science rather than religious or conservative brainwash... More and more I find that's it's the conservative rights reprehensible ideals that make me more and more supportive of abortion, as in, they all should've been aborted.
@@krissifaith6709 many many kids who are adopted or end up in foster care… are very pro choice. Until you are given up by a parent or watch your siblings be taken by CPS and separated in foster care I feel like your question bit shortsighted. Even worse if a parent wants all their kids but isn’t mentally or physically well enough to care for their kids, the harm that creates for the parent, and the kids is beyond devastating. There is so much abuse that happens in foster care and in the homes of families who did not want or cannot support having children. Being anti choice also strips the children of the ability to have a stable life free of abuse and neglect.
This interview was extremely well done and it was so powerful. Shelley Lynn Thornton is a truly strong woman and we need more people like her in the world.
The fact that they were both adopted is somewhat ironic (even though they were adopted years before the 1973 ruling). The nurture they experienced from each of their adopted families was absolutely amazing. I admire the courage they displayed in sharing their stories.
Shelly was handed a freaking amazing opportunity to escape her Mother...and in the face of "you should forgive her" she stands calm and firm. THAT is privileged decision that only SHELLY gets to make.
For sure. But as anyone who recognizes how humans are truly wired, unforgiveness is a weight that you the individual carries, not something the other person mainly carries. And it's something that stands against us when we need others to forgive and be gracious to us
@@oakinwol you talk against yourself now! First you claim that forgiveness is for the person who has been hurt, not for the one who hurted her. Then you say we might need to be forgiven by others, but why would we need that? If we do something wrong and the person we hurted forgives us but the one who gains from is is that person,not us,then why should we care if someone forgives us or not???
@@mrsTraveller64 I didn't say that the other person doesn't feel the unforgiveness at all. I said it's a weight that's "mainly" carried by the person harboring unforgiveness. Unforgiveness is a weight on the person who does it, both from the perspective of carrying it but ALSO from the perspective of the hypocrisy of wanting and needing others forgiveness and grace because no one is perfect. A person who does wrong, but forgives and remains unforgiven by someone who does wrong and doesn't forgive will have less weight than the person who both doesn't forgive but still desires forgiveness from others when they fall short.
@@oakinwol Well, if I do something really bad it doesn't matter how much the other person would or wouldn't forgive me, the thing I'd had done would not erase or get smaller, it would still be exactly as big and bad as it was when I did it. So forgiveness after big horrible things doesn't matter.
@@Moon-eg3vmThank you for your reply. IMO she's not biased bc she's listening courteously & not playing "gotcha" or trying to steer the subject's answers. She's also merely *reporting* the strong, emotional ways, including the violence, in which the opposing sides have reacted over the years to a very divisive issue, where each side believes the other is wrong. It's not bias to calmly report what both sides have done & just let the viewers decide what to think about it. That's what a professional journalist is supposed to do. She referenced abortion clinics have been bombed, abortionists have been killed. She said nothing to imply she applauded or condemned those acts. Some younger viewers may not be aware that happened at all. Those acts were mentioned in context of the line of questioning of the subject. Iow, did those acts affect her? Did she feel responsible? *You* seem angry that the reporter did not express an opinion that validates yours, so you are accusing *her* of bias. *You* may have grown so accustomed to reporters who push agendas & withhold facts that might undermine those agendas, that you are disappointed when a reporter doesn't validate your opinions by doing those things, so you are mixing up her neutrality with your own bias. FWIW, & fyi, I am formerly pro-choice, now pro-life, and I neither applaud nor feel responsible for any acts of terrorism. Also I worked in news media years ago, so I know a few things about the way journalists are supposed to do things. This reporter was doing her job, unlike most reporters are doing today. I can remember when top journalist Tim Russert dropped dead of a heart attack. For years I'd watched his hard-hitting, take-no-prisoners interviews on Meet the Press. It was only when he died that I learned he was a lifelong Democrat. Watching him work, I'd had no clue. He asked the questions the public wanted to know, & when the subjects were lying or evading, he nailed them every time, didn't matter whether Dem or Repub. We need more like that.
@@ajcarr1965 she never reported the sides of the handmaids activists making the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing a kangaroo court. The disruptions, the screaming, the clamoring & banging on SC doors. Doxing of jurists & families. The animosity of the far left against people. No, this was anything but unbiased (not even reporting). Everything is opinionated activism! Yes, I watched real real reporters like Walter Cronkite delivered the news, not journalist opinions. And, I too, remember Tim Russert. His political reporting determined the RED = conservatives & blue = left. Yes, I was devastated to hear him [WC] admit he was a socialist from his own interview. All the trusted news anchors like Dan Rather who was delegated to the riding off into the sunset with other disgraced lying journalist like Brian Williams… Angry? I don’t get angry with reporting accurate journalism, not activism. What I do have problems with is people using a national media service for their own personal gain. After all, she’s a leftist & did score the “first interview” with distinction. She still hit the mark or scoring a few for the activist pro-abortion/pro-death side. I’m pro-CHOICE/pro-LIFE. Abortion isn’t a choice. It’s a lifestyle of the death culture. My OB/GYN was a former abortionist who worked hard in the pro-life movement. RvW was an unconstitutional legislation from the bench. It had nothing to do with the Constitution. Of course the reporter didn’t validate anyone’s opinions. They aren’t supposed to validate you. They are there to “report” not manipulate the “NEWS” which she did. Just another leftist scoring points for #OperationMockingbird propaganda & how the #CIA makes us useful idiots. Perhaps, you need to understand what mockingbird is & how the media corp manufacturers the news to mold & reshape the mind. It isn’t how it works. I don’t believe anything any reporter reports anymore. It’s all opinionated.
I feel sorry for the women and children in those states, just last week in Ohio a TEN year old girl who was raped and 6weeks pregnant had to travel to Indiana to get an abortion, the law makers in Ohio would have preferred a TEN YEAR OLD CHILD BE FORCED TO HAVE HER RAPISTS BABY! that is disgusting
She must be a very strong person partly due to her adoptive parents and the rest her tenacity. I have an adoped child and am sure her adopted parents were just as happy to have her as I was to have my child. I used to cry when I thought about what the birth mother was missing. So sad that this woman had to deal with being that person but great that she is such a well adjusted person.
It’s NOBODYS business what he opinion is on it. I feel like she respectfully set the tone in the first few seconds of this interview. And go figure, reporter was not happy to hear it. She continued to press and try and gauge an answer. Like the cross question? Have some respect my goodness
I agree that it’s nobody’s business what her opinion is. However, I’m glad that she asked the question on her cross necklace because she was able to clear that out as well. People nowadays like to make assumptions and flip everything. It’s good that she was able to finally speak.
@@Ahmlu and asking the question about the cross was for her benefit, not the reporters. Basically, let’s make the world know very clearly where I stand, and not allow them to misconstrue anything!
I think that question was more for clarity so no one could attack her with it later and try to twist the necklace into something it wasn’t. I’m glad she asked that question.
This was an awesome interview. But her answers are everything. She held her head up high, said her truths and is still processing this in a healthy way, with her sister. May God continue to bless her and protect her. IJN. 🙏🏻🌻 “the poster child” is now “the child that was saved”.
She has every right to keep it to herself and I hope she does forever. Having had said that, I doubt she supports it. It’s hard to support abortion when you’re the one who could’ve been aborted.
@@pvm0708 guess what i support abortion and would have been fine if mother had aborted..I would not know cause I would eexist.. My mother had 11 kids and should never have had one.. period. You can have an opinion.. But you never get to make another woman decison for her.. ever
Ty ABC for putting this together. All too often people don't know how this was a family matter that affected someone personally. Glad to see they were all raised in good homes and are well grounded.
Thank you for offering this interview, Shelley. I hope you're doing well during this time. You've made your feelings and thoughts very clear for history, and there was no expectation, no necessity for you to. Again, thank you.
She has turned into a wonderful strong women. Her parents raised her right & I agree she is not in the wrong refusing to meet her mother. Her mom was so toxic. I agree that women should have choice & I also don’t blame her one bit for refusing to disclose her own opinions on the subject matter. I’m so happy she and her sister found each other that is a huge blessing!
mistie, good points. i am glad that you said....'you agree that women should have a choice' but not every child or adoptive parents get this kind of attention. in fact, she could have easily gone to an orphanage or foster care. how were these people able to adopt this child in the middle of all the controversy? why did her new parents not tell her the truth? so many questions. i hope she means that she is okay...
One choice we never discuss is the choice to be responsible with that body we yell so loudly about retaining the power over. There would be few abortions needed if women truly had an interest in controlling their bodies.
I totally admire her for keeping her views on abortion private. To many people think they need to not just voice their opinions either way but to yell it from the rooftops and demean anyone who disagrees with them. That is why I choose to not really discuss politics or religion with people because I do respect peoples opinions but, not all respect mine. I am very happy to see that Norma’s girls lived happy, loving lives.
While I agree that it's a good idea for *her* to not openly choose sides, for obvious reasons, I disagree with the rest of your statement. When you get your personal decisions made by strange men you'll never meet, who think they can tell you if you can give birth or if you can abort, then perhaps you'll start screaming at the top of your lungs from the rooftops too. Oh, you think you are perfect little miss buttercup, that you would *never* do that, but rest assured, deep down in that "quiet soul" of yours lives an Amazonian Woman with a machete. Whatever she's got to say, best not to ignore it. Be part of Democracy. Don't try to shut it down!
Woman’s rights shouldn’t be considered a political thing. I believe everyone can have their own individual choice or thoughts on abortion. But shouldn’t argue that choice for anyone else.
@@TheAmandaMAYshow i also want to point out that when it comes to abortion I’m personally not referring to cases where the mom’s life is in danger, rape or incest. Those situations are apart and should be handled accordingly.
There are people in the comments here stating things to the effect of “I was almost aborted, I’m so glad I wasn’t, I love life and I love being alive”. That sentiment isn’t bad, but it only tells people one type of story and one string of emotions. I like being alive, not all the time, but I’m not suicidal by any means. I don’t wish for death. I don’t regret being alive. I love music and flowers and poetry and powerlifting, I care for my family greatly, I try to cherish everything in life I can, I look to the future and I don’t see a blackening tunnel. My mother, however, didn’t like being alive and she didn’t like me being alive either. I was raised in a household where I wasn’t wanted, if I chose to be anything but a figurative doll to dress up and play with, I was treated as if I were less important than everything and everyone else around me. This carried on until I ran away and I haven’t looked back since. I’m in a much better place now albeit, but I still wish my mother had the option to abort me, and I wish everyone in the place of possibly being a mother had that option as well. I could’ve gone to a loving home, I could’ve been given up into the arms of people who wouldn’t have treated me in a damaging way. I could’ve lived a life far from the one I did. I didn’t though, and I will never get my pained childhood, nor the years I spent after patching up what shouldn’t have been broken in the first place, back. It’s good I’m here now, but no one should be forced to have a child they don’t want, no child should be brought into a home that doesn’t want them from before their first breaths. Some might go into good homes, and that’s wonderful, but others won’t. That’s inevitable, yes, but it should be avoided as much as possible. I’m one of the lucky ones, I chose to keep going, I chose to fix what my mother and the people around her broke. Not everyone chooses that route, not everyone comes out with scars; some come out of it with an ashy headstone.
I'm sorry you had those experiences.That's so wonderful that you recognized the things that were wrong in your childhood and put a stop to it. Fortunately, it sounds you have learned from the past and don't repeat the errors of generations' past for your family.
I’m so sorry for what happened to you. I was a case where I should’ve been aborted (not only was I an affair child, I was quite literally killing my mom), but wasn’t. My mom survived and I was a “miracle child”. I didn’t grow up with the same abuse as you, but I lived with my dad for the most part and for a good majority of my life and I wished I was aborted. My dad blamed me for all of his short-comings and was verbally abusive. I never felt wanted and was kept distant from my entire family. I need to talk to professionals, I still haven’t gotten to that point where I’ve gotten help yet, but everyone around me seems to think that I have some form of PTSD from what happened to me as a kid. I straight up cannot interact with children because it reminds me of my past and I get hostile. I refuse to have kids until I get mental help. I’m too afraid that I’ll end up treating a child like how my dad treated me and continue that wretched cycle of abuse. If I were to get pregnant (which I likely wouldn’t considering I practice abstinence), I couldn’t bring myself to put a child up for adoption. It’s too much of a gamble. I would choose abortion if I had to. You put it best: you were lucky, but a lot of us aren’t. Many unwanted children throw in the towel too early and give up on existing, and that’s a choice no one should have to make for themselves. I fear that would become a more frequent issue than it already is if mothers aren’t allowed to make the choice that’s right for them. I hope that maybe one day I might feel healthy enough to start a family, give a child the good life I wish I had when I was their age. But until then, I have a strict “no having kids” policy lol Congrats on breaking the cycle, I hope to be as strong as you one day.
@@simply_a_human Seek life-giving help. You are worth it and did not deserve the bad way you were treated as a child. Consider that Christ Jesus said of anyone who harms a child that "it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck and that he were drowned in the depths of the sea."
She said things that she wanted to say without saying it. At the end of the day I think she’s grateful to be alive. I hope she will heal from the bitterness.
@@anng.4542 Like it or not, argue will your face is blue when a fetus is a "baby,", but it will always be an inalienable right for a woman to choose to have birth or not. And a right for a women to have privacy is a Constitutional right.
Thank you for being brave enough to share your story. I didn’t know that you survived. I’m so grateful that you did and that you have a wonderful family and sister.
Very brave! If I remember correctly she (Roe) never actually had an abortion, the lawyers pushed for the whole thing. I heard it a long while ago so don't quote me..
She didn’t survive anything . Her mother fought for a woman’s right to choose the landmark case took a long time to be adjudicated That wasn’t the point. And the fact that her mother had a messy life had everything to do w why she didn’t want a relationship w her . It had nothing to do with the case people. Omg.
She's not real idiot she's an actress what do you think all of a sudden they just dug up Roe versus Wade baby right before Roe versus Wade was switched give me a break but when are you people going to wake the f******
@@persephonestardust2498 I do thank my kiddos birthmother's as well. We have open adoptions, because I wanted my children to have the option to meet their birth families.
How do you afford children?!?! I get nervous when I have medical needs that I won't be able to afford it, let alone a kids needs. Do you live outside the USA or is there a socialized financial system helping you with it inside the USA? More people need to be boosted to your level of privileged so they can adopt too.
@@freedomishavingachoice3020 my husband works 50 hours a week. We live on a budget. Not privilege, just a lot of hard work, living within our family budget and prayer.
My mother was 15 when she got pregnant with me. Abortion was illegal at the time and my father took advantage of her at a young age. She would have probably gotten an abortion. Family members that were catholic nurses ect said they could take her and let her have me and put me for adoption. My mother didnt want to give me up for adoption. She wanted to keep me if she was to carry me and give birth. It was a very difficult birth and she was hated in by medical staff ect. Shame was brought on the family ect because she was so young. My father and mother did marry. She is a very loving mother and I wouldn't trade her for the world. But, I know that she has a right to her choice. I completely agree with a woman having her right to choose. Im pro choice and pro life. The children that are alive today that have no one and who are abused and neglected are what I really worry about. Men need to be looked at in this too. Some may need to be jailed and some need to be castrated. No one spoke about the things that went on in families for a very very long time, but, when it did come out they always blamed the woman.
@@levidoss15 yes I can if you understand what I'm saying. So, if you have children, take care of them. But, if you are a guy, then dont say anything. Either you get it or you dont. It's my choice!
I was gonna say what Levi said tbh. Although I would add that "pro choice" does not equate to "pro abortion". Wanting abortion to be safe, rare, and legal is pro choice, not pro life. "Pro Life" is largely against letting women have that option (except in extreme circumstances, if you're lucky). There are loads of people out there who are solidly pro choice but would never think of having an abortion themselves. Loads of pro choice people who love kids and have several of their own. Loads of pro choice people who've never had an abortion. Loads of pro choice people who have had an abortion for a very wide variety of reasons. You really can't be both pro life and pro choice. Sad that the term Pro Choice has been so effectively demonized by the far right that people are afraid to even associate with it. It's a great tactic when trying to suppress the opposing side on an issue like this. If the Pro Life crowd can't get you to join them, they'd much rather you sit out on the sidelines. Otherwise you might go over and help those evil Pro Choice baby killers. We need comprehensive sex ed in all public schools. No more of this abstinence only BS. No more of this misinformation and conveniently leaving out certain pieces of info. We need easier access to pregnancy prevention. We need access to safe, legal abortions and the decision should only be between a woman and her doctor. You are absolutely right about how we need to start holding men accountable. It takes two to create that pregnancy. 100% of pregnancies are caused by the male orgasm. A woman just got sent to prison in Oklahoma for doing drugs while pregnant. Ok. Now where's the dude who knocked her up? Sounds like he was also acting irresponsibly. He played an equal part in making that happen. Maybe he should have thought twice before having unprotected sex with someone who's addicted to drugs.
@@levidoss15 I do NOT CONDONE MURDER AND I DO NOT CONDONE NEGLECTING ABUSING AND KILLING YOUR CHILDREN OUTSIDE THE WOMB!! REAL MEN DO HAVE SAY IN THE BIRTH AND WELL BEING OF THEIR UNBORN INFANT. JUST MAKE DAMN SURE YOU DO NOT SEE TO IT THAT YOU TAKE CARE OF THE CHILD TOO WITH THE MOTHER. IM A RETIRED MEFICAL PROFESSIONAL AND IVE SEEN MANY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS AND SUCH THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO DAMN CLUE ABOUT. EVERY INDIVIDUAL FAMILY/ PERSON WHO HAS TO COME TO MAKE THIS DECISION FOR ABORTION IS CHALLENGED BY A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION. SO. THAT BEING SAID, WHEN YOU FIND THAT YOUR BABY HAS A HEARTBEAT BUT NO BRAIN, AND THE HORRIFIC WAY THAT LIFE WOULD BE FOR THE CHILD. SOME CHILDREN HAVE OTHER ISSUES. LIKE BOTH SEX ORGANS, HYDATIFORM MOLE, CHROMOSOME ANAMOLY ( MY GRANDAUGHTER HAS TURNERS) AND OF COURSE THAT JUST SOME THINGS. BUT IT IS A CHOICE FOR THE WOMAN AND THE MAN IF HE IS COMMITTED TO SEEING THIS THROUGH. BOTH MAKE THE DECISION FOR WHATS BEST FOR THEM. IF YOU HSVE A MISCARRIAGE, PLEASE CHECK WITH YOU DOCTOR TO MAKE SURE NO CONTENTS ARE LEFT INSIDE. AND MOST OF ALL , IF A MAN IMPREGNATES A 11 YEAR OLD OR RAPE. INCEST AND SUCH, YOU BETTER HOLD THE MAN AS A DAMN CRIMINAL !! THIS COULD BE A FAMILY MEMBER, YOUR CHURCH PASTOR. PRIEST, STRANGER ECT.. BOTTOM LINE ON ROE VS WADE. IN THOSE DAYS, ONLY RICH WOMEN COULD AFFORD THAT OPTION. SEE RICH WOMEN COULD AFFORD TO HOUSE AND FEED and EDUCATE THEIR CHILDREN. YOU JUST HAD TO MAKE SURE THE PARENTS WERE LOVING AND CARING AND DID SO. PEOPLE THAT ADOPTED CHILDREN WAS RISKY AS WELL. SOME WERE FANTASTIC LOVING HOMES AND SOME WERE HORRIFIC IN ABUSE. THIS IS WHY I AM PRO LIFE FOR CHILDREN TO HAVE PRENATAL CARE AND ALL THE SUPPORT A MOTHER NEEDS TO CARRY HER BABY AND HAVE A GOOD LIFE/ HEALTH FOR THE BABY. BUT IF THE MOTHER IS AN 11 YEAR OLD, BEEN RAPED, SEX TRAFFICKED, OR HAS NO ONE TO HELP, ESPECIALLY THE MAN THAT IMPREGNATED HER,( THAT'S PART OF IT) SHE CAN CHOOSE. THATS WHAT IM SAYING. ITS HARD FOR ANYONE TO GO AND PASS JUDGEMENT ON ANYONE.....THATS THE LORDS JOB. JUST REMEMBER THAT. UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED IN ANOTHERS SHOES, YOU REALLY DONT KNOW. I DIDNT HAVE MATERNITY COVERAGE WHEN I HAD MY CHILDREN. I RECIEVED PRENATAL AND DELIVERY AND FLOW UP CARE FOR ME AND MY CHILDREN THROUGH THE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH PLACES. LIKE PLANNED PARENTHOOD. I WAS MARRIED AND WONDERFUL FATHER AND SUCH. WE JUST DID NOT HAVE THAT WITH OUR INSURANCE AT THAT TIME. SO THAT IS WHAT I SUPPORT!! IT ISNT ALL ABOUT ABORTION!!! ITS ABOUT HEALTHCARE FOR LIFE!!!
Sadly I had the opposite experience. My mother had me at the same age and she did not turn out to be a good mother. With lots of therapy and through many nights of tears and sorrow after recovering from childhood trauma and abuse, I’ve been able to make it through. My grandmother urged my mother to get an abortion, and to be honest, that might have been a proper choice for my mother because she was not able to offer me the love, support, and protection I needed as a child and a teen.
What needs to change as well is a woman’s right for sterilization. It took 12 pregnancies: 2 live births, 2 abortions for medical necessity, 1 abortion for rape, 6 first trimester losses and one stillbirth as well as two years of seeing 10 doctors to even get approved to get my tubes removed. I had my surgery 1 month before turning 30 with my last miscarriage taking place in May of 2020. Give us rights to our own bodies, let PP hand out free or low cost contraception and education and let women have the right to be sterilized in addition to having programs in place for mothers and families without so much red tape and we will see reduced abortion rates.
As a staunch pro-lifer, that’s fair. You have clearly gone through a lot, even though it makes me sick how many abortions you have had. Choice to sterilize yourself is much more acceptable than actively producing human life and then terminating it over and over.
I respect her for staying out of it. I myself am pro choice. My view is that it should be every woman's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion and it should be up until the fetus is considered viable (meaning it has reached a stage of development where it is capable of living, under normal conditions, outside the uterus). With laws like the one in texas (with the heartbeat act also known as the six week abortion ban) it could potentially make it really tough for women in Texas who have things like PCOS (and thus have irregular cycles and wouldn't be aware if they missed a period, aka one of the earliest signs of pregnancy) to have access to abortion because they might find out they're pregnant after it's too late for them to get an abortion. Basically banning or placing extremely restrictive time limits on abortion really fucks over many women.
@@zetavalentine 100% disagree, I feel like most of what you said is extremely misleading. I completely respect your position though, as long as you don't try to push it on someone else.
@@zetavalentine Well, first of all, you said "a woman should only get an abortion when she physically can't handle carrying a baby, including rape cases". That is simply not true. Most women could theoretically still carry to term, the fact that she was raped doesn't represent a threat to her health. Sure, she would be shocked and horrified, but from a medical perspective she could still give birth. Therefore, I'm not sure why you're justifying abortions when the woman is raped. I feel like it's because you think it wasn't her fault, therefore it's her choice whether she wants to carry to term. That means you have some old-fashioned view of sex, and believe women should not engage in casual sex. That is fine, I don't have any issue with that, but you can't justify some abortions and say others are wrong. The reason people fight to keep abortion legal is because it is a human right, it's their body that is keeping the fetus live. Now, I personally don't believe in objective morality. I don't think there is always a right and wrong, and practicality is always preferable to morality (this one is always subjective). I'm ok with people disliking abortions, no matter the reason, but I do have a problem when you try to make what you think is "wrong" illegal for everyone else. I'm an atheist and anti-christian activist, but I never even thought about getting rid of religious freedom, or burning all churches.
@@zetavalentine Hmm well, those cases tend to be extremely singular so it's hard to talk about all of them at once. The ones you mentioned (where both the mother and the baby might die) are uncommon, so I assume you're talking about ectopic pregnancies. But more often than not, only the mother's health is compromised, meaning she'll probably survive but with serious medical conditions. Even then, you technically couldn't justify an abortion, cause both the mother and the baby will survive. What I'm trying to say is that abortion bans are completely impractical, and the countries where abortion is banned often have more dangerous abortions (and overall) than those where it's legal. It may be weird to hear but abortions actually decrease in countries where it's legal.
@@zetavalentine By anti-christianity I mean opposition to Christianity and its practices in general, such as school prayers, anti-abortion movements, anti-gay marriage and such. All we do is try to make sure Christianity and all religions in general don't interfere with anyone's life, cause most of the social issues I mentioned can be traced back to religion. I personally oppose any religions, but Christianity is the main one in my country hence the name.
If there’s a will, there’s a way. Even though abortion is now illegal in certain states,people will do it. It’s beyond ridiculous that we even have to debate it. If you don’t like it, don’t do it yourself. I would rather have safe access than women risking themselves.
So we can then legalize murder under the philosophy of don’t like it, don’t do it. Murder is illegal because it deprives the victim the right to life. Abortion does the same thing.
My mom told me she was going to get one. I was her 3 rd pregnancy, and my older sister was 3 months old. They heard 2 hearts, so she kept me. I’m not a twin, and there was only one baby 😂 we laughed about how I got lucky!! It never made me feel upset or angry. She just seemed more human to me.
I was a surprise baby. My mom would have probably had an abortion with me if I was caught in the first tri, but she only found out 4 months in. I don't blame her, times were rough and we were poor. Only thing of pride I've ever created is my own kid because he's so cool. Other than that though, don't think I'd be too mad about not existing.
Shelley just stay away from both sides as you are doing, smart girl. You are such a beautiful young woman stay strong and thank you so much for sharing. This is what I needed to hear today. God bless Shelley and her sisters and all her loved ones, family & friends. All of you stay strong against negativity and go for the positive kindness others are enjoying with you. You are a very special person. Many thanks to you again!!
@@JoshuaKimbrough If this person is older than her, she is considered a young woman to them. You having a problem with that 1 word is weird af & you're probably older than me.
I too was an unwanted pregnancy but in 1970. And I too was placed up for adoption. She is right. It is not about the baby; it is about choice and circumstances and women protecting the family they may already be raising. Do we have a plan for what we are going to do with all of these unwanted babies?
First off, that's why condoms, the pill, the shot, etc/ad nauseam are available. Second, call some adoption agencies and find out how long their wait list is for infants. Some people wait YEARS hoping for a baby. Third, it IS about the baby. Why does their life not matter? Because they are tiny and innocent and growing? Because they need mama to survive? You support murdering an innocent fully developed child based on convenience or the mother not wanting it, and that is utterly abhorrent.
@@kleinemaus6094 1st) Most effective contraceptives are not readily available or affordable for most Americans. To expect them to refrain from sex entirely is at best naive and more than likely not going to happen. Also a woman can get pregnant twice in one year and give birth once. Men on average have between 1-3 virile ejaculations which means they could (although it would awfully difficult 🤔) have upwards over 365 children a year. Why is this always made to be solely the woman's responsibility? 2) Yes, there is a massive wait list for Adoption but the foster care state systems who actually have the children are underfunded, understaffed and often massively failing these children. The Adoption wait list is mostly due to outdated screening procedures and overt costs that dissuade potential adoptive parents. Reform & amendments have been brought up countless times but squashed by the same representatives who are "pro-life". 3rd) You are asking us to put the potential of life over one that's already here. What is the plan for the life you care about after they're born? Are you just as outraged that these precious babies aren't being fed and often have no stable home? Nobody is saying that abortion should happen in later stages but there are several personal reasons for abortion which should be respected. Women are people, not vessels. I've yet to see anyone hold the men who impregnate these women accountable. Where is the punishment for them? Newsflash pregnancies of this nature doesn't tend happen with only one participant. Just say you're really into the MaddAdam trilogy by Margret Atwood & touch grass❤
@@kleinemaus6094 There is a waiting list, yes. But only for white babies. Currently there are over 400,000 children in foster care - a broke-down and over- stressed system where children are left vulnerable to abuse and neglect. Are YOU taking care of these children?
@@petresingh4543 yes 🙌🏻👏🏻 You are right ! Everyone condemning a woman who knows she’s not fit to be a mother should at least adopt 2 children as a reward for all those moms who knew they wouldn’t take care of them but decided to give birth. The children should also belong to a minority group because we all know how fast blonde babies find a house - let’s face reality. I don’t understand why people get pissed off at something the woman has stated herself - I won’t be able to take care of this child! We all expect them to go to adoption - genius solution! Cells. It doesn’t not have consciousness. We can’t be bringing babies and make them suffer afterwards. We are talking about basic human needs here - unwanted babies won’t have love and affection from their own moms. Not all adoption stories end up well. The argument that some women/ couples want I child but can’t conceive yet some women are having abortions is bad, is not valid ! If before anything happens and those people can reach to the woman thinking about abortion then great! But what if they give up? What if the woman miraculously gets pregnant... We can’t be living our lives thinking someone out there is going to take care of our mess.
I can see the pain is still in her heart. Knowing that her mother wanted to get rid of her by abortion. I'm so glad she got to grow up with good parents.
@@zibbybadfo8418 Nobody said she assumed her life was more important than her mother's. But it is a KNOW FACT that her mother thought her own life was more important than her daughter since she went to great lengths to attempt to murder her. You are a blind idiot.
Think before writing dad, your parents are NOT murders, thay is why you are here. Norma was a cold assassin, she thought only about herself, she put 3 children away!! She was a piece of S h it, same as all those abortion supporters. So, again your parents were not close to be assassins
Very hard to imagine. She is wiser and stronger because of her journey. It gives her a story of faith and hope. Just because a parent(s) want you, that could be for wrong reasons too ( maybe not our parents) but those situations exist, as well, where children are abused and harmed and parents have no intent or ability to give children a proper life guidance and love.
The emotional burden has been high even though she did nothing wrong. But a lot of us don’t plan, or are told not to expect kids. I married a man who already had children and I was relieved as I never desired children. Yet, right before our wedding I found out I was expecting. I tell my kids the truth. No, you weren’t planned, but you were no accident. You were an unexpected miracle. The moment I found out I was pregnant I experienced almost all emotions. Disbelief, fear, anxiety, nervousness, happy tears. I was TERRIFIED. But t I never felt disgust, disappointment, or wanting to terminate: I was scared to be a mother. I could barely take care of myself (medically), how was I supposed to love and care for a baby? Well, it came naturally and I had a loving husband and a good support system (before my kids I was never good with kids: they got on my nerves lol). When I got pregnant with my daughter, it was dang near divine intervention lol. I used the following: family planning method, on the pill with no pills missed, a condom, and withdrawal (properly).(I had to work the next day and I didn’t want to worry about the “discharge”). Did I mention I only had 1 ovary to boot? Lost one several months after birth of my son. So yeah, I think it was meant to be 🥰 Even though I had struggled with endometriosis, and was told to not get my hopes up about having kids; told I would probably never conceive….God gave me the 2 most important things in my life (well 3 since I have another long winded story on how I met my husband and how we never should’ve met yet we did). It never crossed my mind to not have my kids. It was okay, I’m pregnant, we will figure this out. Got married, my 2 stepchildren moved in with us, and I had my babies, who are now teens. What I’m trying to say is, even though I didn’t want kids, I got pregnant, loved them the moment I found out, and never looked back. I miscarried on 9-09-2009.(due date would’ve been March 2010)..so I should have a 3rd kiddo running around…but, I guess she (even though they never could tell me the sex of the baby, I knew in my heart) was not ready for the veil and not ready to be born yet. We’ll reunite when my time on this earth is over. Everyone’s stories are different and unique. And they are all deserving to be heard
@@candirenee74 - "...not ready for the veil"? You "knew" it was a "she"? How's that work? Oh, right - you're religious, so you've been deluded into _magical thinking_ your whole life, likely after being indoctrinated as a child into your parents' beliefs, long before your critical thinking skills had fully developed (late teens), so you could discern *_fact from fiction._*
Most people would have taken the opportunity to profit off this type of situation. Kudos to her for staying neutral and wanting to be removed from the situation. Jane, we are so glad you are here with us today and that you are such a strong, inspirational lady.
Shame on the interviewer for trying to "out" Shelly as prolife based on her cross necklace, as if a cross necklace automatically means someone is prolife. Also, Shelly clearly didn't want to share which way she leaned and the interviewer tried to make it as though she'd been caught in a lie.
When an interviewer asks questions they call to question what they believe the public would notice and want to ask. But I do agree that if Shelly was hoping for a soft sided interview, she didn't get it. I do think that people assume, cross=god=prolife. Shelly hasn't practiced forgiveness which is also an assumption of the cross. So, good on Shelly because with those two contradictions within the cross she hasn't given away her views.
If the company you keep consistently fights to take rights away from women maybe your religious group sucks. People who support God take rights away from women. They use their God as a reason for belief of life to justify what they're doing is good. By wearing that cross you're no better than putting on a white hood and saying you don't burn people a different color than you "like those other white hooded people". You're kind of wearing the uniform. Wtf do you expect people to think. I'd be scared you would force me to give birth if you wore a cross in my company and I'd actively try to avoid you in the future. Truth hurts. Sorry psychos ruined your religion for you. But yeah. This is how my friends and I see crosses now. Absolutely terrifying symbols of anti choice extremists.
I'm the result of an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy. My mother admitted that she thought about abortion, but she (obviously) decided against it. I'm not the least bit bothered by the fact that it was a consideration for her. I'm just glad that she had the freedom to make that decision.
delilah, don't know how old you are but you are very wise and your mom was honest with you! i admire the respect you have for your mom and her choice to decide...
@@tangerinefizz11 Bodily autonomy does not give a mother a right to kill her child. Mothers have an innate duty to care for their children, not kill them.
@@bruvlol9573 It's not a child. It's a fetus. And at least I know that my mother kept me and raised me because she loved me, not because she was forced or obligated to do so.
My niece (13 at the time) was raped by my cousin (29 at the time). My niece had a safe abortion in a hospital and received intense counselling. She is now 28 and has decided to focus on her career. She has been in a steady relationship for over 4 years and wants to wait until 30 to get married and start a family. My cousin went to prison for the rape. I am grateful to be South African and know that a rapist has no say in when my niece should become a mother. She has a choice.
No matter what it is a spiritual matter and if she doesn’t receive Christ it will haunt her for the rest of her life and it may destroy her. My sister took her life because of having an abortion at 15 thinking she had no choice and it destroyed her emotionally and spiritually and she could never forgive herself and finally hung herself violently from the ceiling fan with a plug 🔌 in her trachea. It’s not that simple! It’s MURDER and it affects whoever is involved with it and you can’t convince many of us otherwise! I was adopted and I’m thankful my biological parents had enough love not to abort me, but to give me up for adoption instead! There are other “choices” that don’t involve killing!
@@JKBelle She's doing quite well actually. She struggled and blamed herself for the rape initially but she is living her life to the fullest now. She knows she is not a murderer. She knows her inner Christ is always with her and she is loved by her family and peers. She is a productive member of society. That's all she ever wanted. Thank God no man won in controlling her body.
The youngest person to ever give birth was a 5 year old girl in Peru. Here in America girls aged 8-11 (I focus on these ages because they are the most likely to DIE from the strain of pregnancy and labor on a body not yet ready for the task) have been forced to experience labor. You want to talk about blaming the children, start with actual rape victims. The fact that the Texas laws make no provision for Rape is monsterous.
@@pambronson4467 it’s monstrous to kill an innocent baby. So, by your logic…killing one innocent baby is okay cuz it protects another innocent child ???? God comfort and bless all rape victims at any age , and bless and protect the unborn !
@@ashleyharris209 yes it protects a fully formed human child over a clump of cells. In that case who have ivf kill dozens of babies for the sake saving 1 or 2.
@@ashleyharris209 I'm sorry man but I have to choose between my own under aged child in which them having a kid could kill or permanently cripple/mentally scar the for life, I'm choosing my child everytime. The only comprise would be me murdering the degenerate who placed their hands on my child.
I’m glad Shelley is here and that she’s living the best life she can. Her parents did an awesome job and it makes me sad that she couldn’t have a good relationship with Norma. I could also understand her position regardless of whether she’s pro-life or pro-choice.
Also there's many people who consider themselves Christian who are pro choice. This idea that all pro life people HAVE to be conservatives and Christian and that NO Christians are pro choice is stupid. I know both pro life athiests and pro choice Christians
Why can't we turn this into a better solution? Affordable and long term birth control FOR ALL WOMEN. The ability to sterilize without a psych evaluation or doctors telling you you'll change your mind. I'm sterilized and couldn't be happier.
I actually had a discussion where young adults who wanted to be snipped were denied by tons of doctors because they were too young or didn't know better
Agreed! Also, guaranteed rich-tax-payer supported college educations and guaranteed jobs when we want them, how we want them! An end to food and clean water deserts! Tax payer supported child care! It's absolutely horrible that so many babies result from rape. I have to believe that a handful (not more though) of women would be more open to keeping even babies resulting from rape, if the rest of our society made it more realistic to be able to do so.
It’s not okay to abort a child, at least in certain states and in most circumstances. Just like it’s not okay to kill someone in most states in most circumstances. Things are illegal for a good reason and it’s often because those things are not conductive for a functioning and civil society.
@@sweetest-of-memes we have control over our bodies , no? Oh wait, only when it’s convenient to you all pro baby murders. If it’s not rape, she can totally take precautions to not get pregnant. Her body her choice right? Isn’t it ironic!
@@sweetest-of-memes you don’t know me. I happen to be a non feminist, pro life democrat that has fostered many children, children with extremely sad stories and rough beginnings but thanks to God they become resilient thanks to responsible adults by their side. I absolutely encourage birth control 💯 because there are stupid people out there who are not ready to have children and play with the idea of abortion or actually go through with it, which is appalling!!!! With birth control, no one should be aborting! Today, birth control is so accessible! I am never one one side entirely. There is so much gray in every situation but I experienced my best friend having 3 abortions in high school, and it solidified my stance. Pro life for life! I am also against trump and what he did with the children at the border and I most definitely marched for BLM when the peaceful protests took place last year. Life is life. And a mother’s life is not more important than a fetus’s life. Never. If anything, the fetus is the vulnerable and needing of protection! So don’t assume anything about me. This is not even half of what I stand for. What I think is ridiculous is people protesting for BLM or for equality and then getting abortion or being pro choice. How does that make sense?
@@sweetest-of-memes the Bible also says to speak up against evil and advocate for the destitute and needy. Any kind of destitute and need. I will advocate for the morally correct thing always but also the humane thing too. I will call it out and I have no interest in being compassionate to women who kill their babies. I just don’t. Like I said nothing is black and white, and I do believe in certain circumstances abortion is needed. But just for selfishness, nope. Never. I’m not interested in changing people’s minds about this. But I’m going to continue to contribute to what is right. If only people knew how many women suffer in having abortions. Maybe not all but many do, unnecessarily! Also a pro tip, don’t tell a Christian how to be a Christian. If you only know that the Bible talks about compassion, then you don’t have the whole story. It also talks about advocacy and so many more things. Again, my interest is not in the woman wanting to kill a vulnerable life, but my compassion goes out to that fetus, that baby that has its own rights too!
This woman is remarkable. I’m glad she is able to stand in her truth and be at peace with not having a relationship with her birth mother. Sometimes you can only let go. And let God. Great interview.
Shes a strong person to answer to this She deserves to be here She did not make the law or break the law It has to be a difficult decision for a mother to make to abort a child or even to give a child away Life is not easy
As a man I am neither for or against abortions. My only wish is that all those that are Pro Life would adopt at least 1 child in foster care. Our foster care system is over run with kids needing homes and it always odd to me we have millions of Pro Life advocates who don’t adopt.
@@Shelby-oo7uz Thank you. I can accept that, but I’m just curious why so many pro life don’t. I don’t see any of the conservative judges, Ted Cruz, Majorie Taylor Greene, Trump, the Governors of Texas, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Graham, McConnell, Matt Gatez, and the millions of American citizens who are pro life etc. I appreciate those you mention, but there are millions of pro lifers and yet we still have a foster care system overrun with needy children. Just odd to me. If we are going to tell a woman she MUST have this child then they should be lined up to adopt the child. Everyone wins. The mother doesn’t abort, the baby gets to live life, and the Pro Lifer cements their belief. Otherwise this sounds like welfare (which most conservatives are against). You make the woman have the child and you make the rest of us (with our tax dollars) raise/pay for the child.
Know that even as a man you can choose to be for or against abortion, don’t let feminists bully you. You have a say in young women and men getting killed, as a man, you should be standing up and fighting for what’s right. Fighting for defenseless sons and daughters. There are literally lines of people waiting to adopt Babies. But I agree, more people (pro life or not) should foster and adopt older children! My sister is about to start the adoption process and after my divorce is final I’ll be hopefully fostering and/or adopting. Just trying to figure out how to afford it with CA housing costs but those with extra rooms in their homes should be taking these children in 💜
I am adopted, with a pro-life stance, coming from a pro-choice family (most of them). In my opinion there are a lot of factors to take into account. For example, here in Spain where I live, foster families cannot adopt the foster children. Some people cannot even think about returning the kids to their families after raising them. Also, in other cases, adoption centers have made it more about the income than about the emotional stability of the adoptant (is that a word?). If I want to adopt in my motherland, I have to move there for about 4 years when I already have a life here. And in Spain the waiting list is about 8 years. Some people have the endurance, some do not. Governments should also spend money helping families in every sense as to avoid having so many children without their biological families. I do not know any of the people that you mentionned, and I don't know why they do not adopt or foster, but know that a lot of pro-life do want to help and sometimes that help can come in other ways than just adopting.
Been reading many of these comments and even posted my own a day or so ago. I have to say to all of us, including me, that our words of wisdom and our heartfelt opinions just don't count that much. What matters is getting involved in somehow doing some actual good for someone, or more than one person, who lives on this earth with us. Sometimes someone we meet in a store or somewhere else just really, really needs a kind smile that day. Haven't we all been there?
The birth mother really said “she found herself pregnant again”??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 You don’t “find yourself pregnant”! You KNOW how you got pregnant!!! And after the first UNWANTED pregnancy, you’d think she would prevent becoming pregnant a second and then a third time!! 🤦♀️
That's the thing, abortion became a birth control option for being careless sexually. I can understand in the case of the health of the mother, incest or rape but just as a former of birth control? Just horrible. I don't know how they sleep at night.
Her adoptive parents raised one hell of a woman. They must be very proud.
EXACTLY! I love the fact that she's not letting either side use her! Smart lady.
Parents. Not adoptive parents :)
@@AnxiousAuntie An excellent observation! ❤️
@@AnxiousAuntie true but i think the OP was trying to point out that it wasn't birth mom who did the good job..... ;-)
Good for you for being brave enough to tell your own story. God.Bless.!
"Im not gonna let either side use me". Smart woman!
Indeed. A very respectable woman.
everybody must take sides against evil or perish. We have free will you can choose for good, if you don't choose for good you're automatically choosing for evil! there is no fence sitting when you stand before Jesus and he called out your judgment. Remember the four last things death judgment Heaven or hell!!!!
@@tomstulc9143 this is why she will not say how she feels.
@@ashleylamarche9306 it's understandable when she is placed in that position. She wants to keep her inner peace. But there's no rest in this life because we're in a struggle against evil.. We all must speak out and stand against evil or we are complicit with it. We will be judged accordingly to what we done and what we have failed to do. There is no neutral corner before the judgment's throne of God.
Selfish woman. And cowardly. Shows how far freedom of speech has been eroded as well.
Applause for staying out of it. She doesn’t owe anyone an explanation.
She owes the world an explanation. Her birth has led to a hundred million faceless murders ..... ATLEAST choose a side
@@otisjenkinsjr.3556 She owes no one at all. She didn't chose anything. She was just a baby being used as a pawn......
@@otisjenkinsjr.3556 You’re kidding right? She never asked to be involved in any of this. And even if she had, it would be 100% none of your business.
@@otisjenkinsjr.3556 And glancing at some of your other comments, you really have a problem with her. Why? Do you not understand that she had nothing to do with Roe vs Wade? No more to do with it than YOU or me.
@@otisjenkinsjr.3556 you’re a selfish person. She was just an unwanted baby! She doesn’t owe anyone an explanation! Get a life.
When she said “ im not going to let any side use me” that’s power RECOVERED. Good 👍 for 👍you ! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️💯
Ironically left-wing ABC news media use her testimony to proliferate their narrative.
💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾 #strength
Sounds like a coward
@@Patriot11111 No, a coward is someone who can’t answer a straightforward question like ‘what isxa woe mane
No. It’s just therapy.
The fact that she thought everyone would blame her for abortion being made legal, when she was a literal child, shows just how messed up this world has become.
Inspiring person there. Anyone who had issues with their moms can look to her and say…woah. Maybe I don’t have it so bad
Haha become? Sadly/greatly this is the best the world has been so far 😒😁
She was a baby
@@wyett123 Might wanna take a 2nd look because these are very similar to the days of Noah.
Well it must have been her parents, bc if you listen, even the people most strongly against a mother's right to kill her own child in her womb, would never blame an innocent child for it, that is exactly the opposite of their cause.
I have a lot of respect for her not wanting to be political tool for ether side
She says she doesn't take it personally, yet clearly she does. And it's obvious she is a I abortion, more from what she doesn't say.
Yet here she is breaking her silence at this most dramatic time 🤣🙄🤔
@@lizf1353 this video was posted last year...
@@lizf1353 the hate in this comment. 😳
@@lizf1353 yep…FB is feeding this big time now. At least twitter won’t be biased anymore
I CAN'T BELIEVE reporters jumped her walking down the street and heartlessly broke the news that she was not only adopted, but that she is the Roe baby. How disgusting. I'm glad she grew up in a loving, supportive family; its hard to imagine how much worse things could've been for her.
I think that was the part that tipped the scales for me. Provided that everything said in this interview is the truth, I no longer defend NC as a pro life advocate and that’s a shame to me cuz we did need her but we needed an honest advocate not a pawn in someone’s power game or a con artist vying for attention and money.
One of the 10 commandments is Thou shalt not bear false witness. That’s what happened here and there’s no telling what the ramifications will be down the road.
It was not their place.
But I guess they it's just the truth also.
Some journalist have proved that the media is trash and disgusting
@End Times Are upon us it's an expression, it's not literal. 😆
Well, she could have ended up in pieces in a dish as abortion nurses attempt to put back her cut up body so as to ensure that no pieces of her own body would still be in her mother's body. I think that would have been worse.
I am a man who almost was not. My mother wanted an abortion but my grandmother talked her out of it and started raising me when she was 80 years old. Thank you for saving my life grandma.
God bless you and God rest your grandmothers soul. I hope your mother rots in hell unless she repented
@@darthmader057mmm6 I don't. That is the way of a vengeful mind. She was suffering with drug and alcohol problems and passed away from an over dose. I would rather be thankful that she took my grandmother's advice and let me live. That is better in my heart than hating her and wishing her ill.
@@rodneybever9583 you're right I'm sorry about that.
@@darthmader057mmm6 no worries mate. I completely understand. I feel blessed to have been raised by my grandma. She taught me to forgive. "In a world that seems full of darkness make sure that the only thing you bring is light."
I'm sure your existence is very precious to you now that you are aware of it
ZEFs DGAF
OK, as a Christian, I can tell you: God would NEVER tell ANYONE to bomb a clinic, no matter what treatment or surgery they are performing. We value LIFE above all things, and that goes for EVERYONE! How dare they do such hate crimes saying "God told them to". That's blasphemy and shameful!!!! This is a touchy subject, but as the Bible says, "let's REASON together."
Thank you for saying this. I think it's important to know what true Christians are and not just people who blame their bad actions on God.
Isaiah 1:18, where the prophet says to Judah, “'Come now, and let us reason together,' says the Lord, 'Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be as wool. '”
I agree but the Christian faith emphasises faith and Abraham is praised for his willingness to sacrifice his son although he was stopped in the nick of time. The Old Testament is filled with examples of God telling people to kill people for one thing or another including committing genocide. I agree people should question any voice in their head that says its God. People think God has guided them to this or that or spoken to them. It's wrong but it's what a lot of people believe. The bombing of abortion clinics is something almost no one of any religion would ever do but unfortunately when a religion teaches that God speaks to people and has as much bloodshed as The Old Testament contains it is going to sadly result in some awful stuff. Plus I suppose the notion of the sacrificing people for the greater good eg lots of innocent people are killed in wars does send a message that the ends justify the means. It's appalling killing abortion doctors but in their minds it's justified and they are protecting the innocent from killers. I agree it's horrible and can't be allowed to happen though. I guess it's like stopping terrorists. If someone thinks doing the wrong thing is in fact the right thing change their minds is hard.
@@jamesrobertson432 those “Christians” are not christians. “If a man says he loves me, but hates his brother he is a liar and is not of me” What do you mean by genocide? Also Abraham was praised for his obedience and humbled spirit. It was to know God’s love in context to know how painful it would be for God to sacrifice his son for sin.
Amen! Abortion is murder and it is a great evil, but Christians are to render good for evil, not evil for evil.
I used to work with Jennifer. She was my supervisor. A reporter came to our job looking to speak with her, and that's when she told me who her mother was. God bless her and her family. She still looks the same.
Wow interestimg! Thank you for sharing!
her mother was a monster, poor women.. both of them ended up lonely/single at 50+ y/o....
God love her I hope she was overjoyed yesterday
“She didn’t deserve to meet me.”
Such self-worth instilled in her, that’s amazing.
Love it.
Very true.
@@mrsjadabe self love = narcissism
@@michaelcarroll8570 Not willing to talk is a USA culture of ha-te.
ABC would not have interviewed her except that they know she is pro-abortion. She wears a cross but ignores it is the symbol of Christ.
"She didn't deserve to meet me". The words of a well balanced woman. Very true words. 🥰
No she did not.
I think that kind of signals lasting damage. Resentment is not healing. It's a good thing she has her biological sister to connect with and garner an understanding of her mother. I am taking Shelly's side, but sense there is a lot of hurt there that time alone has not fully healed. I would not advise a friend or family member to take that approach. Hopefully she continues to manage and surrounds herself with those who love her.
@Lilman Yellow - Birth control is not guaranteed. People cannot be consistent and if they have GI issues they forget to use back up.
Only abstinence is 100%
Are you kidding? Her words are neither true nor balanced! Her biological mother gave her life when she could have resorted to having an abortion-she absolutely deserved to see the daughter whom she saved but was pressured to kill! Her attitude ought to be one of gratitude and thankfulness to God!
@@amyschlegel1180 Her mother was fighting tooth and nail to kill her. Her mom had to have her because of law. Her mother is partly responsible for millions of babies executions. The only time birth giver and not mother is acceptable to me. Glad she died lonely.
This being filmed 7 months or so ago, how crazy that this is currently now becoming an even BIGGER story. I hope Shelly is okay.
Me too. She should feel no blame for anything. She didn't choose for her mother to do this. My heart before her, so glad she was raised in a good loving home at least. I cant even imagine what has gone through Shelly's mind and heart 😔
The fact that this law was passed FIFTY years ago and is under attack TODAY is even CRAZIER.
The current political abortion fight is deliberate, and a disgusting distraction from the destruction of this administration.
@@bigred4379 True.... In the fact that it had taken the supreme court 50 years to undo their mistake. Notice you said "law was passed." And that's what they did despite them not being a law making body. Sure, they have an effect on laws via interpretation but this was creating a law with the weakest constitutional support they could find, which does not stand up to the weakest scrutiny" for something the constitution does not discuss. And it had taken 50 years for the court to grow a spine and consider reversing the deadlock they created on the people and the representatives to make their own laws. The fact that this is still just as contentious shows how significantly the 1973 court erred and made itself a political body. It's also pretty interesting that despite the hundreds of petitions to the supreme Court to consider limiting or overruling Roe, the many times Democrats had full control over government they never took the time to codify roe into actual law instead of just a court precedent that acted like one.
@@mgm57901 only a male would have the audacity
Whether she supports abortion or not, I appreciate that she's staying out of it and refusing to let herself be used as a pawn
She is the media's pawn. And you don't even see it 😒
@@whoasked9938 thank GOD I found someone who still has common sense and sacred morals.
@@sheldonhatch8255 yeah, she is a wonderful symbol for how religion must be separated from law and a stern reminder that passionate protest can turn violent, so you must be wary of whatever cause you fight for.
The fact that people bombed abortion clinics and killed dozens of people breaks one of the highest commandments. Not form of being a Martyr for the cause can justify this lunacy. I can only pray to God for the day 10 year old rape victims are freed from the grotesque body deformation, mutilation, and probable death that the victim would have endured without intervention.
We need abortion protection to come back so the idiocy of people like the judge in Ohio who denied a 10 year old incestual rape victim the right to have a potentially lifesaving medical procedure done can be prevented.
I think she doesn't. by her words anyway, "everyone's gonna hate me for abortion being legal"....idk
@@whoasked9938 if anything she helps your side so idk why you are so upset. Not to mention she is being as neutral as possible
What a traumatic way to find out about your biological parent. It's so sick and cruel what those reporters did to her. I'm glad she now realizes it's not really about her. And what a blessing to have found her biological sister. God bless them. ❤️🙏🏽
What her MOM did was the most sick! Man, typical abortionist type of woman. Terrible
But it is, in a sense, about her. It is about the fact that she could've been aborted. The decision revolved around whether she grew up to be this woman we see before us... Or not. And she wasn't even part of the decision, one that was about her and around her.
If you dont like abortions don't get one."
Mind your own business.
"If that's the case"
"If you dont like guns don't get one"
"If you dont wanna get pregnant don't have s_ex in the first place".
"The problem with abortion is that it steals the most innocent form of life. Don't say you fight for human rights if you don't fight for it at the very beginning,"
"If a baby has seperate DNA then a mother dependency does not rely on child support"
If you dont like abortions don't get one."
Mind your own business.
"If that's the case"
"If you dont like guns don't get one"
"If you dont wanna get pregnant don't have s_ex in the first place".
"The problem with abortion is that it steals the most innocent form of life. Don't say you fight for human rights if you don't fight for it at the very beginning,"
"If a baby has seperate DNA then a mother dependency does not rely on child support"
@@anonymousreaper2186 not everyone seeking an abortion does so because they want to. Politicians, judges and the average American aren't qualified or intelligent enough to determine a medical emergency, and that's why we shouldn't be passing legislation based on opinions. And if you look at the facts regarding gun safety, it makes more sense to ban them than to tell someone not to buy them. You can end up shot without exercising your constitutional right to bear arms, especially in the US. But you can end up having an abortion with every intention carrying your child to term. Not at all the same.
I remember how my mother wanted to abort me when she was pregnant with me. I don’t talk to her, she raised me and my childhood was living hell. So much hell I left the country and had my daughter here. Those two women were given a chance in life growing up with two beautiful families. I used to run away from home. Not all families are family. The mother didn’t do well in life, but at least she did good knowing that she wasn’t good enough for them to raise them, that she was a dark person. Not all mothers can raise a child, not all parents can be nurturing parents.
You are a mess, my dear. A real mess. "Cowboy up, Missy!"
And that's why women should be allowed to abort unwanted pregnancies.
It's a very DIFFICULT thing to come to terms with.
Break that cycle 💪✌️❤️
God bless💗🙏🏽🙏🏽✝️
Like she said, she had absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm glad she and her half sister found each other and have a loving bond. That right there is priceless. It's also great that she was fortunate enough to be adopted into a loving, safe and healthy functioning family.
Kudos to the interviewer, she handled tough questions and subjects with great sensitivity. Very interesting interview!
agree.
The interviewer was biased and hurt her own message. There are key details to all of this left out meant to paint a very specific picture. As all media is wont to do.
The interviewer kept trying to make "Baby Roe" a victim-hood saint. "Baby Roe" gave a stellar performance & by giving this interview, made herself the "victim." She never spoke to her birth mother, which is her right, & then she refused to forgive that same mother, also her right under "free agency." As I see it, she turns out to be the victim she claimed not to be. I see a book deal in the making, which again is "Baby Roe's" right to do; however, two wrongs don't make a right.
I disagree. I didn't like her putting her on the spot when she mentioned her cross pendant.
She has such a youthful voice.
I thought it was just me thinking that.
Yeah I was thinking that too
She also doesn't look 51 at all. More like late 30s
Straight up, beautifully honest person. I wish her all the happiness and good things in the world.
SAme. I applaud her for not allowing herself to be "used" for this cause. She is living her best life and she deserves no less.
This is a humble woman. A lot of people would have ridden this for all the attention it could get. Much respect.
Non, trio of morons!
Na probally not
Idk man I don't think they had that many clout chasers in her generation
Yep, like her mentally unstable mother who helped legalize abortion. When I'm talking to strict anti-abortion people, I like to remind them that a lot of these women aren't women who should even have babies. They're going to traumatize the babies with their liberal human-hating "I should do anything I want without repercussion" ideology. And we don't want more of these kind walking around.
@@wiredvibe1678 no way lol people had self respect and morals back then.
Only the ignorant would blame her for what her biological mother did. I don't blame her.
@jill cooper , you’re fully right , I don’t think we should blame her 😙
I agree. But unfortunately there are plenty of ignorant people out there who are on the prowl waiting to pounce.
@@rasheada578 why do people have to be like that? Can we not love each other. Her mother never even got an abortion. They pursued this case anyway.
@@jillcooper6371 a lot of cases that go to the Supreme Court end like this. Like that girl who said she didn't get to her college of choice because of affirmative choice. By the time there was a ruling she had already graduated and was working.
The interviewer did a great job. I’m glad “Baby Roe” came on TV in the first place, and had a way to talk about it thoughtfully and authentically.
The interviewer was biased and pro choice.
I was adopted and feel like my biological parents made their decision by giving me up as a baby. Now that I am an adult that decision is mine, I have no regrets, for never reaching out to meet them. My adopted parents were my parents they are the ones who raised me and gave me my values. These other people just gave me the opportunity to live which might have turned out differently if abortion was legal when I was born.
Exactly.
Well said
For lots of BM it’s a big sacrifice to give up their baby for adoption. I believe that most would want to keep their baby and raise it but they simply have. Other choice
You have no idea what kind of challenges your birth mother was facing. It's possible she was very young, and not supported by her family. She may have been shamed for getting pregnant. She may have been raped. It is not an easy decision to give up a child. She may also have been pressured in to giving you up.
You're lucky. My bio mom got custody of me (she was white my dad is black) and my life was a nightmare bound to her. I finally got away and my dad got custody when I was 14. I thank God I was able to live with a parent who loved me and set an example for me. I still deal with the trauma of what that woman put us through, I'll find a way to forgive her maybe when I die.
I can understand why Shelly kept Norma out of her life. I think it's great that she has a good relationship with her biological sister.
@@DA-wx9oz but people make mistakes creepy shirtless man-child
Yes it’s awesome she has met her sister!! I’m happy for that part of the story.
Norma was a toxic person & had many issues. This daughter realize that & is better off not allowing her mother to be in her life. Some people you can only love from a great distance & Norma is one of those mothers. That's reality. I'm so glad that this daughter was raised by two really good, healthy people & is able to have a realtionship with the biological sister.
@@janetcampbell9286 Did you KNOW her???
I agree with her daughters that their mom was kind of crazy as she moved from pro-choice to pro-life depending on which group would pay her more money of give her publicity. Thankfully her daughters were adopted to loving families because their natural mom never seemed in the right state of mind to raise any of them......Even right until the end their natural mother didn't seem to completely sane.
Her mother was a opportunist she should of wrapped it up
It's almost like she shouldn't have had kids... It's almost like... There should have been an option for her... Like abortion.
@@bees5755 Then her three daughters wouldn't have had a chance to live
Citizen Ruth is about her then?
Citizen Ruth is about her then?
“She didn’t deserve to meet me.”
Gave me fucking CHILLS hearing her say that, man. And I mean good chills. Good for her. ✊
Someone who wants to kill you intentionally really doesn't deserve your presence.
Unconditional love ?
ABORTION IS MURDER OF
@@helo4366 no
@@helo4366 your Name need a change 😂😂😂
This is something I would normally never share on social media but due to the current situation. I feel it's necessary to get a point across. I was raped as a 17 year old and became pregnant. Everyone around me pushed for having an abortion. I decided to keep the baby and from something that was the most traumatic experience I my life. Came something that's been the most beautiful and loved thing in my life. I don't look at my son and remember the trauma. It's actually been an extremely healing experience. I cried with joy after I first laid eyes on him. Now everyone regrets pushing for abortion. My parents went white in the face after I mention what could of happened to my son. I never mentioned it again. Why should my son have paid the price for something he no control over? It wasn't his fault and now he's an A student and incredibly gifted athlete
I'm happy it worked out for you. you got to choose
I'm happy your son has you for his mom...
Just out of curiosity... what do you tell him about his father?
What do you tell your kid about his father? That he was a rapist? Or what
@@ashleylamarche9306 exactly. She had the choice
I'm glad this has not affected her. God Bless her adoptive parents, they have done an awesome job!
They are her P A R E N T S . You need not use the term adoptive. They are her PARENTS.
@@711yada chill
It definitely has affected her in every single way 😞
It has affected her...but she’s full of courage and and grace.
Yes and i pray for her bioligical mother to go straight to hell
If abortion is not legalized and unwilling women are forced to endure the pregnancy, programs should be placed to help women recuperate and aid them raise the children they didn't want. And in the first place, many don't want kids because they lack the resources that are affordable and accessible. If not, what's the point of being pro life if we stop taking care of the mother and child after birth?
Personal responsibility. Try it sometime.
Nope, they will never go for that. Too many people value power over actually supporting happy healthy human lives. It’s very sad.
Well we have like almost the most help to low income people in the world. Public housing, WIC, food stamps, medical assistance, child care assistance, grants to go to college, non profits out there to help low income people. I know people on those programs who honestly live better than a ton of people. Like what more do you need?
@@lovelocked5385 Awesome then her abortion is her personal responsibility. Shouldn't concern anyone is she is taking care of a responsibility
What, Endure the pregnancy?? Wtf is wrong with you??
Such a strong and grounded person. Also, she is in her fifties?!?!? She looks so much younger!
And she sounds younger!
i agree! was thinking the same she looks and sounds so young.
She does not look younger 😖
She sounds young not look younger
I would have thought she was maybe 40 . She speaks like a lady who feels no need or want in Drama. She sounds like a women with real honest conviction, unlike 98% of most female's this lady has her plan's.
friendly reminder: not all kids that go into the foster care system go into loving homes. most get put into the care of abusive parents. the foster care system is absolutely insane and there are still thousands of children in the system that will most likely be in there until they’re “old enough to take care of themselves”. it’s these rare cases that makes me have hope for the future of this country, but i believe abortion 100% should stay legal because of all of the mental and physical health aspects of it.
Aaahhh yes, they might have a bad life so we kill them, lets do that with the hobos on the street too!
You realize that kids will go into adoption agencies and not foster care systems? Literally like 95% of kids who go into the foster care system are from pre-existing households they were born into. So, now you just made an argument for killing kids in foster care, not killing unborn humans. Congrats on supporting genocide!
@anonymous so what's moving in a pregnant woman's stomach? Is she controlling it herself? No it's a baby and it's alive so of course we just kill the ones in the womb when we try to solve out the kids that do suffer even though everybody's going to suffer because that's life
Thank you! In most situations where abortion is desired is where the living situations are going to be bad for a child regardless. Sentencing both a child and mother to a hard life is not fair to either of them. I would’ve been fine being aborted if my birth would’ve cause issues like that
Yeah except let’s remember that shitty parents will keep having children who end up in the system. Abortion does not stop children from ending up in foster care.
It’s not giving 51! She looks good!
I was saying the same , she look really good for 51
@@jalyssacrosby2184 and Shannan Amina, this is so damn irrelevant.
"IT'S not giving"??? Wtf...
She does! Looks good. Probably keeping peace in your life helps.
What's not giving 51? Please, learn to speak correctly
She is very wise not to share her stance. ❤🙏🏽
I am SO very glad she is not allowing herself to be used by any side of this discussion. She is living her life with joy and integrity and I applaud her.
So she’d be unwise to admit she’s glad to have not been aborted?
@@ts4231 no she is wise so that the right and the left doesn't use her for their side. She is choosing to not disclose so she is no longer bothered and used as a pawn
@@ts4231 she can be glad to not have been aborted while also supporting a woman’s right to choose
@@Dave_L People don't even understand the words coming out of their own mouths anymore. It's crazy.
Leave this woman alone. Damn. She should not be the face of either movement. Both sides believe (minimally) that once someone is a baby and born, that they have a right to life. Let this woman live.
Wonderfully said! It is interesting that the ruling really had no impact on her birth. I can understand why people want to hear her perspective, but she is amazing for taking the stance that her position is too personal to discuss. I'm in awe of this woman and how she has handled how people have tried to exploit her.
I’ll be out on the open. I am not pro-choice except under extenuating circumstances where there’s an incompatibility with life for either mother and child. But where I differ with you and conservatives completely is that (minimally) pro-life people are not for the child’s right to life at all. Right to life doesn’t stop at birth, it begins. And that means providing care and economic support for them and the parent. And conservatives want to turkey stuff their gullets about protecting the baby’s rights to life while denying them healthcare and access to food and affordable shelter. I’m pro-life, but the buck doesn’t stop there. Most women seeking abortions are economically disadvantaged. That means, if you’re going to force a birth, that means you must be pro right to life, pro healthcare, pro housing, food and education. Conservatives are a bunch of hypocrites!
@@sadepennbrook I’m shocked people like you are out there and it gives me some hope. I always hear pro-life people stop dead before they talk or even consider the life of a child after they were born, and had to be someone’s responsibility. It’s always “well, she should’ve kept her legs closed” when time comes to feed, clothe and nurture- but there’s no money or no love, even. I don’t like abortions nor the idea of them, but I’d never have so little compassion to force a woman, against her will, to give birth and then abandon her and her child to their own devices. If I’m not willing to *personally* take responsibility for them, then accept the fact that it’s her body and her decision. I really don’t think the U.S will have a good support system for mothers and kids any time soon, so the best alternative becomes safe, free and easy contraceptives/education and access to abortions if it has to come down to that. In the end it comes down to facts and statistics: who/what has helped women and children more? Not conservatives, and not pro-life policies, that’s for sure.
@@sadepennbrook There's some false premises and data there. Right wing affiliate groups are more likely to adopt and more likely to donate to crisis centers (which you can find through Live Action). Sure, many of us don't put action to our beliefs. But many of us do. We continually think through different solutions of continual care for both the mother and the baby as communities while maintaining limits of jurisdiction at the federal, state, and local level.
@@sadepennbrook you're completely wrong. The Catholic Church which is obviously pro-life, spends more money feeding hungry people via charitable contributions than any other organization in the world.
I wonder where their fathers are. That woman didn't just 'find herself pregnant.' There has to be more of holding men accountable for bringing up their children.
Maybe so, but the mother is STILL CHOOSING to murder that baby and she would do it wether or not the Father is involved or not. I have SEEN a Father BEG the mother "not to kill OUR child" while she goes into the abortion clinic. Abortion needs to be addressed from the pulpit on Mothers DAy.
@@saxmanjpr5092 The video you're probably referencing has been debunked as staged.
@@catcat-hy1yl i doubt that as Pro Choice people will do what ever they can to try and silence the who do not agree with them.
@Ngum Ngafor, I agree. We need to start a conversation about how men are mostly not being held accountable in the cases of abortion…
@@allyip5777 indeed. Not just that. We need action. There have to be policies that encourage men to do their duties as fathers and penalise them when they don't. Most men walk away because they can. There are many women who would keep the baby if they knew someone would support them psychologically and financially.
No judgement. She is very wise and I'm glad to hear she has a relationship with her sister and loving parents.
If you're against abortion, why not support comprehensive sex education? Support social programs for children in poor struggling homes? Support initiatives for free and low-cost contraceptives? Better maternity leave? Support foster care and adoption programs? THIS IS PRO-LIFE! Supporting the lives already here for better quality of life! *If a woman wants an abortion bad enough, SHE WILL DO IT, DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES.*
Then where would the rich get their cannon fodder for their wars, prisons and 💩-wage jobs?
There's different types of sex education, like "abstinence plus" sex education. There's plenty of pro-life couples who adopt and do foster care. There's lots of pro-life organizations that help mothers, like Let Them Live. And abstinence and self control are always free, and contraceptives are already available.
@@karaokeandrandomclips Two scientific review papers find abstinence-only-until-marriage programs and policies in the United States are ineffective because they do not delay sexual initiation or reduce sexual risk behaviors. According to the researchers, these programs also violate adolescent human rights, withhold medically accurate information, stigmatize or exclude many youth, reinforce harmful gender stereotypes, and undermine public health programs. Both papers are published online in the Journal of Adolescent Health.
@@persephonestardust2498 I said "Abstinence plus", not "Abstinence only". And I believe Utah has one of the lower rates of teen pregnancy even though they teach abstinence only sex education, because the Mormon culture teaches abstinence before marriage, so it can work. Countries like South Korea also has more conservative attitudes about sex and has low teen pregnancy rates. And I'm curious about "adolescent human rights" in regards to sex- how young do you think is too young to have sex?
@@karaokeandrandomclips sources please.
I am adopted, I’m also pro choice, and I 100% understand and empathize where this woman is coming from. I respect her for keeping her opinion on the matter private, and I understand why she feels the way she feels. She had nothing to do with this and she owes us no explanation.
You are glad your mother wasn't Pro Choice.... otherwise you would be DEAD!
You are adopted yet believe abortion is ok?
@@krissifaith6709 why is that supposed to be surprising? There's a countless number of very valid reasons why one would be pro- choice based in morality and science rather than religious or conservative brainwash... More and more I find that's it's the conservative rights reprehensible ideals that make me more and more supportive of abortion, as in, they all should've been aborted.
@@krissifaith6709 many many kids who are adopted or end up in foster care… are very pro choice. Until you are given up by a parent or watch your siblings be taken by CPS and separated in foster care I feel like your question bit shortsighted. Even worse if a parent wants all their kids but isn’t mentally or physically well enough to care for their kids, the harm that creates for the parent, and the kids is beyond devastating. There is so much abuse that happens in foster care and in the homes of families who did not want or cannot support having children. Being anti choice also strips the children of the ability to have a stable life free of abuse and neglect.
@@krissifaith6709 how about minding your own uterus? Another woman's choices don't effect you at all!
This interview was extremely well done and it was so powerful. Shelley Lynn Thornton is a truly strong woman and we need more people like her in the world.
We’re glad she exist today.
The fact that they were both adopted is somewhat ironic (even though they were adopted years before the 1973 ruling). The nurture they experienced from each of their adopted families was absolutely amazing. I admire the courage they displayed in sharing their stories.
agreed extremely ironic
How do we really know?
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@@Nice-qi5cf Because they said so in the video.
@@Nice-qi5cf what BW Brady said
Shelly was handed a freaking amazing opportunity to escape her Mother...and in the face of "you should forgive her" she stands calm and firm. THAT is privileged decision that only SHELLY gets to make.
No, she shouldn't. That women is the reason countless children were flat out murdered. Her mother has far more deaths on her hands then Hitler.
For sure. But as anyone who recognizes how humans are truly wired, unforgiveness is a weight that you the individual carries, not something the other person mainly carries. And it's something that stands against us when we need others to forgive and be gracious to us
@@oakinwol you talk against yourself now! First you claim that forgiveness is for the person who has been hurt, not for the one who hurted her. Then you say we might need to be forgiven by others, but why would we need that? If we do something wrong and the person we hurted forgives us but the one who gains from is is that person,not us,then why should we care if someone forgives us or not???
@@mrsTraveller64 I didn't say that the other person doesn't feel the unforgiveness at all. I said it's a weight that's "mainly" carried by the person harboring unforgiveness. Unforgiveness is a weight on the person who does it, both from the perspective of carrying it but ALSO from the perspective of the hypocrisy of wanting and needing others forgiveness and grace because no one is perfect. A person who does wrong, but forgives and remains unforgiven by someone who does wrong and doesn't forgive will have less weight than the person who both doesn't forgive but still desires forgiveness from others when they fall short.
@@oakinwol Well, if I do something really bad it doesn't matter how much the other person would or wouldn't forgive me, the thing I'd had done would not erase or get smaller, it would still be exactly as big and bad as it was when I did it. So forgiveness after big horrible things doesn't matter.
Kudos to the ABC reporter Linsey Davis for a compassionate, insightful, & balanced interview. There are a few real journalists left after all. 👍
lmao 😂😂😂
@AJ seriously? She shows a bombed clinic & talks about which “side” did this? Definitely biased!
@@Moon-eg3vmThank you for your reply. IMO she's not biased bc she's listening courteously & not playing "gotcha" or trying to steer the subject's answers. She's also merely *reporting* the strong, emotional ways, including the violence, in which the opposing sides have reacted over the years to a very divisive issue, where each side believes the other is wrong. It's not bias to calmly report what both sides have done & just let the viewers decide what to think about it. That's what a professional journalist is supposed to do. She referenced abortion clinics have been bombed, abortionists have been killed. She said nothing to imply she applauded or condemned those acts. Some younger viewers may not be aware that happened at all. Those acts were mentioned in context of the line of questioning of the subject. Iow, did those acts affect her? Did she feel responsible? *You* seem angry that the reporter did not express an opinion that validates yours, so you are accusing *her* of bias. *You* may have grown so accustomed to reporters who push agendas & withhold facts that might undermine those agendas, that you are disappointed when a reporter doesn't validate your opinions by doing those things, so you are mixing up her neutrality with your own bias. FWIW, & fyi, I am formerly pro-choice, now pro-life, and I neither applaud nor feel responsible for any acts of terrorism. Also I worked in news media years ago, so I know a few things about the way journalists are supposed to do things. This reporter was doing her job, unlike most reporters are doing today. I can remember when top journalist Tim Russert dropped dead of a heart attack. For years I'd watched his hard-hitting, take-no-prisoners interviews on Meet the Press. It was only when he died that I learned he was a lifelong Democrat. Watching him work, I'd had no clue. He asked the questions the public wanted to know, & when the subjects were lying or evading, he nailed them every time, didn't matter whether Dem or Repub. We need more like that.
@@ajcarr1965 she never reported the sides of the handmaids activists making the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing a kangaroo court. The disruptions, the screaming, the clamoring & banging on SC doors. Doxing of jurists & families. The animosity of the far left against people. No, this was anything but unbiased (not even reporting). Everything is opinionated activism!
Yes, I watched real real reporters like Walter Cronkite delivered the news, not journalist opinions. And, I too, remember Tim Russert. His political reporting determined the RED = conservatives & blue = left. Yes, I was devastated to hear him [WC] admit he was a socialist from his own interview. All the trusted news anchors like Dan Rather who was delegated to the riding off into the sunset with other disgraced lying journalist like Brian Williams…
Angry? I don’t get angry with reporting accurate journalism, not activism. What I do have problems with is people using a national media service for their own personal gain. After all, she’s a leftist & did score the “first interview” with distinction. She still hit the mark or scoring a few for the activist pro-abortion/pro-death side.
I’m pro-CHOICE/pro-LIFE. Abortion isn’t a choice. It’s a lifestyle of the death culture. My OB/GYN was a former abortionist who worked hard in the pro-life movement. RvW was an unconstitutional legislation from the bench. It had nothing to do with the Constitution.
Of course the reporter didn’t validate anyone’s opinions. They aren’t supposed to validate you. They are there to “report” not manipulate the “NEWS” which she did.
Just another leftist scoring points for #OperationMockingbird propaganda & how the #CIA makes us useful idiots. Perhaps, you need to understand what mockingbird is & how the media corp manufacturers the news to mold & reshape the mind. It isn’t how it works. I don’t believe anything any reporter reports anymore. It’s all opinionated.
Not very balanced, IMO.
Did she even talk to BM? I didn't watch the whole thing as it seemed creepily anti-BM.
“No exception for rape or incest” that’s sounds horrible. I’m glad I don’t live in the US.
Right? It’s like they went back to the 1900s.
I feel sorry for the women and children in those states, just last week in Ohio a TEN year old girl who was raped and 6weeks pregnant had to travel to Indiana to get an abortion, the law makers in Ohio would have preferred a TEN YEAR OLD CHILD BE FORCED TO HAVE HER RAPISTS BABY! that is disgusting
@@nicolebidgood6114 Its plain EVIL. It truly makes me sick. How can people see that as justice?
These ladies are very lucky adoption does not always mean happily ever after
Too often it does not
@@iscavengersam Mined as well just kill the child then right🤦♂️
It often doesn’t.
@@JohnAdams-mu7xd kill* and it’s not a child. It’s cells.
Nothing is ever a guarantee of happily ever after 🤷♀️
She must be a very strong person partly due to her adoptive parents and the rest her tenacity. I have an adoped child and am sure her adopted parents were just as happy to have her as I was to have my child. I used to cry when I thought about what the birth mother was missing. So sad that this woman had to deal with being that person but great that she is such a well adjusted person.
From what I've read about her biological mother she was simply not capable of bringing up a child for many reasons.
The mother surely had access to contraception but didn't use it. Shelley is not the one to blame.
Her parents, Roe was only the genitor. Parents are those who love you.
It’s NOBODYS business what he opinion is on it. I feel like she respectfully set the tone in the first few seconds of this interview. And go figure, reporter was not happy to hear it. She continued to press and try and gauge an answer. Like the cross question? Have some respect my goodness
I agree that it’s nobody’s business what her opinion is. However, I’m glad that she asked the question on her cross necklace because she was able to clear that out as well. People nowadays like to make assumptions and flip everything. It’s good that she was able to finally speak.
@@Ahmlu and asking the question about the cross was for her benefit, not the reporters.
Basically, let’s make the world know very clearly where I stand, and not allow them to misconstrue anything!
...the reporter is only doing her job...
I think that question was more for clarity so no one could attack her with it later and try to twist the necklace into something it wasn’t. I’m glad she asked that question.
The reporter didn’t seem unhappy at all💀 She’s just being serious.
This was an awesome interview. But her answers are everything. She held her head up high, said her truths and is still processing this in a healthy way, with her sister. May God continue to bless her and protect her. IJN. 🙏🏻🌻 “the poster child” is now “the child that was saved”.
Amen!
Hello how are you doing over there hope fine and how is the weather 🌡️ temperature there??
she didn't deserve to meet me. You're so right.
whatever her opinion on abortion. it's her business, not mine and not the public's.
ABORTION IS MURDER
Her mother was a lunatic. She wanted to keep getting pregnant & keep killing babies as a means of "birth control."
She has every right to keep it to herself and I hope she does forever. Having had said that, I doubt she supports it. It’s hard to support abortion when you’re the one who could’ve been aborted.
@@pvm0708 guess what i support abortion and would have been fine if mother had aborted..I would not know cause I would eexist.. My mother had 11 kids and should never have had one.. period. You can have an opinion.. But you never get to make another woman decison for her.. ever
Says all baby killers huh??
Ty ABC for putting this together. All too often people don't know how this was a family matter that affected someone personally. Glad to see they were all raised in good homes and are well grounded.
Thank you for offering this interview, Shelley. I hope you're doing well during this time. You've made your feelings and thoughts very clear for history, and there was no expectation, no necessity for you to. Again, thank you.
She has turned into a wonderful strong women. Her parents raised her right & I agree she is not in the wrong refusing to meet her mother. Her mom was so toxic. I agree that women should have choice & I also don’t blame her one bit for refusing to disclose her own opinions on the subject matter. I’m so happy she and her sister found each other that is a huge blessing!
mistie, good points. i am glad that you said....'you agree that women should have a choice' but not every child or adoptive parents get this kind of attention. in fact, she could have easily gone to an orphanage or foster care. how were these people able to adopt this child in the middle of all the controversy? why did her new parents not tell her the truth? so many questions. i hope she means that she is okay...
@@donnadayle3762 Go read Shelley's story in the Atlantic. It answers your questions and explains the back story.
One choice we never discuss is the choice to be responsible with that body we yell so loudly about retaining the power over. There would be few abortions needed if women truly had an interest in controlling their bodies.
@@FRAME5RS ☝️ This, 100% spot on! Very true!
I am grateful she came forward. I don't think most people even know she was born. I think that people just stop at the verdict.
I totally admire her for keeping her views on abortion private. To many people think they need to not just voice their opinions either way but to yell it from the rooftops and demean anyone who disagrees with them. That is why I choose to not really discuss politics or religion with people because I do respect peoples opinions but, not all respect mine. I am very happy to see that Norma’s girls lived happy, loving lives.
This!!
While I agree that it's a good idea for *her* to not openly choose sides, for obvious reasons, I disagree with the rest of your statement. When you get your personal decisions made by strange men you'll never meet, who think they can tell you if you can give birth or if you can abort, then perhaps you'll start screaming at the top of your lungs from the rooftops too. Oh, you think you are perfect little miss buttercup, that you would *never* do that, but rest assured, deep down in that "quiet soul" of yours lives an Amazonian Woman with a machete. Whatever she's got to say, best not to ignore it. Be part of Democracy. Don't try to shut it down!
@@justrosy5 “perfect little buttercup “…. Lol. Not agreeing with abortion has nothing to do with being perfect.
Woman’s rights shouldn’t be considered a political thing. I believe everyone can have their own individual choice or thoughts on abortion. But shouldn’t argue that choice for anyone else.
@@TheAmandaMAYshow i also want to point out that when it comes to abortion I’m personally not referring to cases where the mom’s life is in danger, rape or incest. Those situations are apart and should be handled accordingly.
There are people in the comments here stating things to the effect of “I was almost aborted, I’m so glad I wasn’t, I love life and I love being alive”.
That sentiment isn’t bad, but it only tells people one type of story and one string of emotions.
I like being alive, not all the time, but I’m not suicidal by any means. I don’t wish for death. I don’t regret being alive. I love music and flowers and poetry and powerlifting, I care for my family greatly, I try to cherish everything in life I can, I look to the future and I don’t see a blackening tunnel.
My mother, however, didn’t like being alive and she didn’t like me being alive either.
I was raised in a household where I wasn’t wanted, if I chose to be anything but a figurative doll to dress up and play with, I was treated as if I were less important than everything and everyone else around me.
This carried on until I ran away and I haven’t looked back since.
I’m in a much better place now albeit, but I still wish my mother had the option to abort me, and I wish everyone in the place of possibly being a mother had that option as well.
I could’ve gone to a loving home, I could’ve been given up into the arms of people who wouldn’t have treated me in a damaging way. I could’ve lived a life far from the one I did.
I didn’t though, and I will never get my pained childhood, nor the years I spent after patching up what shouldn’t have been broken in the first place, back.
It’s good I’m here now, but no one should be forced to have a child they don’t want, no child should be brought into a home that doesn’t want them from before their first breaths. Some might go into good homes, and that’s wonderful, but others won’t. That’s inevitable, yes, but it should be avoided as much as possible.
I’m one of the lucky ones, I chose to keep going, I chose to fix what my mother and the people around her broke. Not everyone chooses that route, not everyone comes out with scars; some come out of it with an ashy headstone.
respect.
I'm sorry you had those experiences.That's so wonderful that you recognized the things that were wrong in your childhood and put a stop to it. Fortunately, it sounds you have learned from the past and don't repeat the errors of generations' past for your family.
I’m so sorry for what happened to you. I was a case where I should’ve been aborted (not only was I an affair child, I was quite literally killing my mom), but wasn’t. My mom survived and I was a “miracle child”. I didn’t grow up with the same abuse as you, but I lived with my dad for the most part and for a good majority of my life and I wished I was aborted. My dad blamed me for all of his short-comings and was verbally abusive. I never felt wanted and was kept distant from my entire family.
I need to talk to professionals, I still haven’t gotten to that point where I’ve gotten help yet, but everyone around me seems to think that I have some form of PTSD from what happened to me as a kid. I straight up cannot interact with children because it reminds me of my past and I get hostile.
I refuse to have kids until I get mental help. I’m too afraid that I’ll end up treating a child like how my dad treated me and continue that wretched cycle of abuse. If I were to get pregnant (which I likely wouldn’t considering I practice abstinence), I couldn’t bring myself to put a child up for adoption. It’s too much of a gamble. I would choose abortion if I had to.
You put it best: you were lucky, but a lot of us aren’t. Many unwanted children throw in the towel too early and give up on existing, and that’s a choice no one should have to make for themselves. I fear that would become a more frequent issue than it already is if mothers aren’t allowed to make the choice that’s right for them.
I hope that maybe one day I might feel healthy enough to start a family, give a child the good life I wish I had when I was their age. But until then, I have a strict “no having kids” policy lol
Congrats on breaking the cycle, I hope to be as strong as you one day.
@@simply_a_human Seek life-giving help. You are worth it and did not deserve the bad way you were treated as a child. Consider that Christ Jesus said of anyone who harms a child that "it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck and that he were drowned in the depths of the sea."
Why is someone else’s life the “choice” of another person?
She’s so pretty and sounds younger.
She looks 51 but her voice and the way she talks is "like" 16
Irrelevant.
She definitely has one of those young sounding voices.
She's slow.
@@notbill08 could be a speech problem.
She said things that she wanted to say without saying it. At the end of the day I think she’s grateful to be alive. I hope she will heal from the bitterness.
Actually Norma McCorvey didn't want the abortion and later became a pro-life campaigner, but this fact is mostly ignored.
@@anng.4542 Like it or not, argue will your face is blue when a fetus is a "baby,", but it will always be an inalienable right for a woman to choose to have birth or not. And a right for a women to have privacy is a Constitutional right.
@@anng.4542 did you not even watch the video? Norma said on her deathbed that she was paid by the pro-life movement to change her stance
@@anng.4542 did you even watch the video? norma was paid to switch to the pro-life side
@@bebeerin That only proves she was an attention seeker even at the point of death.
Thank you for being brave enough to share your story. I didn’t know that you survived. I’m so grateful that you did and that you have a wonderful family and sister.
Very brave! If I remember correctly she (Roe) never actually had an abortion, the lawyers pushed for the whole thing. I heard it a long while ago so don't quote me..
Survived what? Her mother didn't have an abortion and the kid grew up in a loving family as she had said herself. "survived" lmao
She didn’t survive anything . Her mother fought for a woman’s right to choose the landmark case took a long time to be adjudicated That wasn’t the point.
And the fact that her mother had a messy life had everything to do w why she didn’t want a relationship w her . It had nothing to do with the case people.
Omg.
God bless this woman whose had to navigate a potpourri of emotions her whole adult life. 🙏🏿for you Shelley Thornton.
She's not real idiot she's an actress what do you think all of a sudden they just dug up Roe versus Wade baby right before Roe versus Wade was switched give me a break but when are you people going to wake the f******
My 3 children are adopted. I thank God everyday for my children and the birthmothers who carried them.
Why not thank them instead? They did all the work.
@@persephonestardust2498 I do thank my kiddos birthmother's as well. We have open adoptions, because I wanted my children to have the option to meet their birth families.
As an adoptee, thank you for recognizing your children’s birth moms.❤️❤️ that means the world to me and others who are adopted.
How do you afford children?!?! I get nervous when I have medical needs that I won't be able to afford it, let alone a kids needs. Do you live outside the USA or is there a socialized financial system helping you with it inside the USA?
More people need to be boosted to your level of privileged so they can adopt too.
@@freedomishavingachoice3020 my husband works 50 hours a week. We live on a budget. Not privilege, just a lot of hard work, living within our family budget and prayer.
My mother was 15 when she got pregnant with me. Abortion was illegal at the time and my father took advantage of her at a young age. She would have probably gotten an abortion. Family members that were catholic nurses ect said they could take her and let her have me and put me for adoption. My mother didnt want to give me up for adoption. She wanted to keep me if she was to carry me and give birth. It was a very difficult birth and she was hated in by medical staff ect. Shame was brought on the family ect because she was so young. My father and mother did marry. She is a very loving mother and I wouldn't trade her for the world. But, I know that she has a right to her choice. I completely agree with a woman having her right to choose. Im pro choice and pro life. The children that are alive today that have no one and who are abused and neglected are what I really worry about. Men need to be looked at in this too. Some may need to be jailed and some need to be castrated. No one spoke about the things that went on in families for a very very long time, but, when it did come out they always blamed the woman.
@@levidoss15 yes I can if you understand what I'm saying. So, if you have children, take care of them. But, if you are a guy, then dont say anything. Either you get it or you dont. It's my choice!
I was gonna say what Levi said tbh. Although I would add that "pro choice" does not equate to "pro abortion". Wanting abortion to be safe, rare, and legal is pro choice, not pro life. "Pro Life" is largely against letting women have that option (except in extreme circumstances, if you're lucky). There are loads of people out there who are solidly pro choice but would never think of having an abortion themselves. Loads of pro choice people who love kids and have several of their own. Loads of pro choice people who've never had an abortion. Loads of pro choice people who have had an abortion for a very wide variety of reasons. You really can't be both pro life and pro choice. Sad that the term Pro Choice has been so effectively demonized by the far right that people are afraid to even associate with it. It's a great tactic when trying to suppress the opposing side on an issue like this. If the Pro Life crowd can't get you to join them, they'd much rather you sit out on the sidelines. Otherwise you might go over and help those evil Pro Choice baby killers.
We need comprehensive sex ed in all public schools. No more of this abstinence only BS. No more of this misinformation and conveniently leaving out certain pieces of info. We need easier access to pregnancy prevention. We need access to safe, legal abortions and the decision should only be between a woman and her doctor. You are absolutely right about how we need to start holding men accountable. It takes two to create that pregnancy. 100% of pregnancies are caused by the male orgasm. A woman just got sent to prison in Oklahoma for doing drugs while pregnant. Ok. Now where's the dude who knocked her up? Sounds like he was also acting irresponsibly. He played an equal part in making that happen. Maybe he should have thought twice before having unprotected sex with someone who's addicted to drugs.
@@keariewashburn4680 men should have the right to not have their children murdered in the womb because of a selfish woman
@@levidoss15 I do NOT CONDONE MURDER AND I DO NOT CONDONE NEGLECTING ABUSING AND KILLING YOUR CHILDREN OUTSIDE THE WOMB!! REAL MEN DO HAVE SAY IN THE BIRTH AND WELL BEING OF THEIR UNBORN INFANT. JUST MAKE DAMN SURE YOU DO NOT SEE TO IT THAT YOU TAKE CARE OF THE CHILD TOO WITH THE MOTHER. IM A RETIRED MEFICAL PROFESSIONAL AND IVE SEEN MANY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS AND SUCH THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO DAMN CLUE ABOUT. EVERY INDIVIDUAL FAMILY/ PERSON WHO HAS TO COME TO MAKE THIS DECISION FOR ABORTION IS CHALLENGED BY A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION. SO. THAT BEING SAID, WHEN YOU FIND THAT YOUR BABY HAS A HEARTBEAT BUT NO BRAIN, AND THE HORRIFIC WAY THAT LIFE WOULD BE FOR THE CHILD. SOME CHILDREN HAVE OTHER ISSUES. LIKE BOTH SEX ORGANS, HYDATIFORM MOLE, CHROMOSOME ANAMOLY ( MY GRANDAUGHTER HAS TURNERS) AND OF COURSE THAT JUST SOME THINGS. BUT IT IS A CHOICE FOR THE WOMAN AND THE MAN IF HE IS COMMITTED TO SEEING THIS THROUGH. BOTH MAKE THE DECISION FOR WHATS BEST FOR THEM. IF YOU HSVE A MISCARRIAGE, PLEASE CHECK WITH YOU DOCTOR TO MAKE SURE NO CONTENTS ARE LEFT INSIDE. AND MOST OF ALL , IF A MAN IMPREGNATES A 11 YEAR OLD OR RAPE. INCEST AND SUCH, YOU BETTER HOLD THE MAN AS A DAMN CRIMINAL !! THIS COULD BE A FAMILY MEMBER, YOUR CHURCH PASTOR. PRIEST, STRANGER ECT.. BOTTOM LINE ON ROE VS WADE. IN THOSE DAYS, ONLY RICH WOMEN COULD AFFORD THAT OPTION. SEE RICH WOMEN COULD AFFORD TO HOUSE AND FEED and EDUCATE THEIR CHILDREN. YOU JUST HAD TO MAKE SURE THE PARENTS WERE LOVING AND CARING AND DID SO. PEOPLE THAT ADOPTED CHILDREN WAS RISKY AS WELL. SOME WERE FANTASTIC LOVING HOMES AND SOME WERE HORRIFIC IN ABUSE. THIS IS WHY I AM PRO LIFE FOR CHILDREN TO HAVE PRENATAL CARE AND ALL THE SUPPORT A MOTHER NEEDS TO CARRY HER BABY AND HAVE A GOOD LIFE/ HEALTH FOR THE BABY. BUT IF THE MOTHER IS AN 11 YEAR OLD, BEEN RAPED, SEX TRAFFICKED, OR HAS NO ONE TO HELP, ESPECIALLY THE MAN THAT IMPREGNATED HER,( THAT'S PART OF IT) SHE CAN CHOOSE. THATS WHAT IM SAYING. ITS HARD FOR ANYONE TO GO AND PASS JUDGEMENT ON ANYONE.....THATS THE LORDS JOB. JUST REMEMBER THAT. UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED IN ANOTHERS SHOES, YOU REALLY DONT KNOW. I DIDNT HAVE MATERNITY COVERAGE WHEN I HAD MY CHILDREN. I RECIEVED PRENATAL AND DELIVERY AND FLOW UP CARE FOR ME AND MY CHILDREN THROUGH THE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH PLACES. LIKE PLANNED PARENTHOOD. I WAS MARRIED AND WONDERFUL FATHER AND SUCH. WE JUST DID NOT HAVE THAT WITH OUR INSURANCE AT THAT TIME. SO THAT IS WHAT I SUPPORT!! IT ISNT ALL ABOUT ABORTION!!! ITS ABOUT HEALTHCARE FOR LIFE!!!
Sadly I had the opposite experience. My mother had me at the same age and she did not turn out to be a good mother. With lots of therapy and through many nights of tears and sorrow after recovering from childhood trauma and abuse, I’ve been able to make it through. My grandmother urged my mother to get an abortion, and to be honest, that might have been a proper choice for my mother because she was not able to offer me the love, support, and protection I needed as a child and a teen.
What needs to change as well is a woman’s right for sterilization. It took 12 pregnancies: 2 live births, 2 abortions for medical necessity, 1 abortion for rape, 6 first trimester losses and one stillbirth as well as two years of seeing 10 doctors to even get approved to get my tubes removed. I had my surgery 1 month before turning 30 with my last miscarriage taking place in May of 2020.
Give us rights to our own bodies, let PP hand out free or low cost contraception and education and let women have the right to be sterilized in addition to having programs in place for mothers and families without so much red tape and we will see reduced abortion rates.
I’m so sorry you went through this
Please vote and bring like minded people to the polls! Women deserve healthcare!
Oh geeze, that's one of the worst pregnancy related stories I have ever heard! Hope things are better for you now
I was 21 and had no issues from doctor over sterilization. Had it done in 84.
As a staunch pro-lifer, that’s fair. You have clearly gone through a lot, even though it makes me sick how many abortions you have had. Choice to sterilize yourself is much more acceptable than actively producing human life and then terminating it over and over.
I respect her for staying out of it. I myself am pro choice. My view is that it should be every woman's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion and it should be up until the fetus is considered viable (meaning it has reached a stage of development where it is capable of living, under normal conditions, outside the uterus). With laws like the one in texas (with the heartbeat act also known as the six week abortion ban) it could potentially make it really tough for women in Texas who have things like PCOS (and thus have irregular cycles and wouldn't be aware if they missed a period, aka one of the earliest signs of pregnancy) to have access to abortion because they might find out they're pregnant after it's too late for them to get an abortion.
Basically banning or placing extremely restrictive time limits on abortion really fucks over many women.
@@zetavalentine 100% disagree, I feel like most of what you said is extremely misleading. I completely respect your position though, as long as you don't try to push it on someone else.
@@zetavalentine Well, first of all, you said "a woman should only get an abortion when she physically can't handle carrying a baby, including rape cases". That is simply not true. Most women could theoretically still carry to term, the fact that she was raped doesn't represent a threat to her health. Sure, she would be shocked and horrified, but from a medical perspective she could still give birth. Therefore, I'm not sure why you're justifying abortions when the woman is raped. I feel like it's because you think it wasn't her fault, therefore it's her choice whether she wants to carry to term. That means you have some old-fashioned view of sex, and believe women should not engage in casual sex. That is fine, I don't have any issue with that, but you can't justify some abortions and say others are wrong. The reason people fight to keep abortion legal is because it is a human right, it's their body that is keeping the fetus live. Now, I personally don't believe in objective morality. I don't think there is always a right and wrong, and practicality is always preferable to morality (this one is always subjective). I'm ok with people disliking abortions, no matter the reason, but I do have a problem when you try to make what you think is "wrong" illegal for everyone else. I'm an atheist and anti-christian activist, but I never even thought about getting rid of religious freedom, or burning all churches.
@@zetavalentine Hmm well, those cases tend to be extremely singular so it's hard to talk about all of them at once. The ones you mentioned (where both the mother and the baby might die) are uncommon, so I assume you're talking about ectopic pregnancies. But more often than not, only the mother's health is compromised, meaning she'll probably survive but with serious medical conditions. Even then, you technically couldn't justify an abortion, cause both the mother and the baby will survive. What I'm trying to say is that abortion bans are completely impractical, and the countries where abortion is banned often have more dangerous abortions (and overall) than those where it's legal. It may be weird to hear but abortions actually decrease in countries where it's legal.
@@zetavalentine By anti-christianity I mean opposition to Christianity and its practices in general, such as school prayers, anti-abortion movements, anti-gay marriage and such. All we do is try to make sure Christianity and all religions in general don't interfere with anyone's life, cause most of the social issues I mentioned can be traced back to religion. I personally oppose any religions, but Christianity is the main one in my country hence the name.
completely agreed
If there’s a will, there’s a way. Even though abortion is now illegal in certain states,people will do it. It’s beyond ridiculous that we even have to debate it. If you don’t like it, don’t do it yourself. I would rather have safe access than women risking themselves.
Its called responsibility!
THIS!!! Why is it so hard?!
I would rather have the unborn child be safe actually....movement and a beating heart in the womb...that's a clear sign of life
@@colecole3352 if men weren't on a large scale horrible fathers and partners in general, I feel the need for abortion would be a lot lower.
So we can then legalize murder under the philosophy of don’t like it, don’t do it. Murder is illegal because it deprives the victim the right to life. Abortion does the same thing.
My mom told me she was going to get one. I was her 3 rd pregnancy, and my older sister was 3 months old. They heard 2 hearts, so she kept me. I’m not a twin, and there was only one baby 😂 we laughed about how I got lucky!! It never made me feel upset or angry. She just seemed more human to me.
I was a surprise baby. My mom would have probably had an abortion with me if I was caught in the first tri, but she only found out 4 months in. I don't blame her, times were rough and we were poor. Only thing of pride I've ever created is my own kid because he's so cool. Other than that though, don't think I'd be too mad about not existing.
Too bad other mothers don't make the same decision to allow her baby to live. In this day and age...you are very lucky.
Shelley just stay away from both sides as you are doing, smart girl. You are such a beautiful young woman stay strong and thank you so much for sharing. This is what I needed to hear today. God bless Shelley and her sisters and all her loved ones, family & friends. All of you stay strong against negativity and go for the positive kindness others are enjoying with you. You are a very special person. Many thanks to you again!!
young??? shes 51 my guy
@@JoshuaKimbrough If this person is older than her, she is considered a young woman to them. You having a problem with that 1 word is weird af & you're probably older than me.
@@inactiveaccount6106 51 isn't young
Good for her! She doesn’t have to “pick a side”
She deserves to just live her life in peace and happiness.
I too was an unwanted pregnancy but in 1970. And I too was placed up for adoption. She is right. It is not about the baby; it is about choice and circumstances and women protecting the family they may already be raising. Do we have a plan for what we are going to do with all of these unwanted babies?
First off, that's why condoms, the pill, the shot, etc/ad nauseam are available. Second, call some adoption agencies and find out how long their wait list is for infants. Some people wait YEARS hoping for a baby.
Third, it IS about the baby. Why does their life not matter? Because they are tiny and innocent and growing? Because they need mama to survive?
You support murdering an innocent fully developed child based on convenience or the mother not wanting it, and that is utterly abhorrent.
@@kleinemaus6094 1st) Most effective contraceptives are not readily available or affordable for most Americans. To expect them to refrain from sex entirely is at best naive and more than likely not going to happen. Also a woman can get pregnant twice in one year and give birth once. Men on average have between 1-3 virile ejaculations which means they could (although it would awfully difficult 🤔) have upwards over 365 children a year. Why is this always made to be solely the woman's responsibility?
2) Yes, there is a massive wait list for Adoption but the foster care state systems who actually have the children are underfunded, understaffed and often massively failing these children. The Adoption wait list is mostly due to outdated screening procedures and overt costs that dissuade potential adoptive parents. Reform & amendments have been brought up countless times but squashed by the same representatives who are "pro-life".
3rd) You are asking us to put the potential of life over one that's already here. What is the plan for the life you care about after they're born? Are you just as outraged that these precious babies aren't being fed and often have no stable home? Nobody is saying that abortion should happen in later stages but there are several personal reasons for abortion which should be respected. Women are people, not vessels. I've yet to see anyone hold the men who impregnate these women accountable. Where is the punishment for them? Newsflash pregnancies of this nature doesn't tend happen with only one participant.
Just say you're really into the MaddAdam trilogy by Margret Atwood & touch grass❤
@@kleinemaus6094 There is a waiting list, yes. But only for white babies. Currently there are over 400,000 children in foster care - a broke-down and over- stressed system where children are left vulnerable to abuse and neglect. Are YOU taking care of these children?
@@kleinemaus6094 You should tell Mississippi about that first line, as they're trying to outlaw condoms, IUDs, the pill, etc.
@@petresingh4543 yes 🙌🏻👏🏻
You are right ! Everyone condemning a woman who knows she’s not fit to be a mother should at least adopt 2 children as a reward for all those moms who knew they wouldn’t take care of them but decided to give birth. The children should also belong to a minority group because we all know how fast blonde babies find a house - let’s face reality. I don’t understand why people get pissed off at something the woman has stated herself - I won’t be able to take care of this child! We all expect them to go to adoption - genius solution!
Cells. It doesn’t not have consciousness. We can’t be bringing babies and make them suffer afterwards. We are talking about basic human needs here - unwanted babies won’t have love and affection from their own moms. Not all adoption stories end up well.
The argument that some women/ couples want I child but can’t conceive yet some women are having abortions is bad, is not valid !
If before anything happens and those people can reach to the woman thinking about abortion then great! But what if they give up? What if the woman miraculously gets pregnant...
We can’t be living our lives thinking someone out there is going to take care of our mess.
I can see the pain is still in her heart. Knowing that her mother wanted to get rid of her by abortion. I'm so glad she got to grow up with good parents.
she doesn’t look in pain at all. her birth mother is a powerful woman and created history. big up to them!
As if she would ever assume her life is more important than her mother's life
@@sintheeugh6 are you kidding? she is clearly NOT a fan of her mother. She wanted to murder her....the first of many ways she tried to destroy her.
@@zibbybadfo8418 Nobody said she assumed her life was more important than her mother's. But it is a KNOW FACT that her mother thought her own life was more important than her daughter since she went to great lengths to attempt to murder her. You are a blind idiot.
I feel like the pain is from her mother using her, not the thought of abortion. She intentionally skirted that question.
Shelley, you are an amazing woman. Good for you for standing your ground.
Her parents did an amazing job raising her in an environment filled with love. That's truly a blessing. 👏🏾
The best thing Norma did was give her up for adoption.
I can’t imagine the emotional burden this woman carries. I am so grateful my mom and dad wanted me.
Think before writing dad, your parents are NOT murders, thay is why you are here. Norma was a cold assassin, she thought only about herself, she put 3 children away!! She was a piece of S h it, same as all those abortion supporters. So, again your parents were not close to be assassins
Have safe sex then you will not have to worry about a burden
Very hard to imagine. She is wiser and stronger because of her journey. It gives her a story of faith and hope. Just because a parent(s) want you, that could be for wrong reasons too ( maybe not our parents) but those situations exist, as well, where children are abused and harmed and parents have no intent or ability to give children a proper life guidance and love.
The emotional burden has been high even though she did nothing wrong.
But a lot of us don’t plan, or are told not to expect kids. I married a man who already had children and I was relieved as I never desired children. Yet, right before our wedding I found out I was expecting. I tell my kids the truth. No, you weren’t planned, but you were no accident. You were an unexpected miracle. The moment I found out I was pregnant I experienced almost all emotions. Disbelief, fear, anxiety, nervousness, happy tears. I was TERRIFIED. But t I never felt disgust, disappointment, or wanting to terminate: I was scared to be a mother. I could barely take care of myself (medically), how was I supposed to love and care for a baby? Well, it came naturally and I had a loving husband and a good support system (before my kids I was never good with kids: they got on my nerves lol).
When I got pregnant with my daughter, it was dang near divine intervention lol. I used the following: family planning method, on the pill with no pills missed, a condom, and withdrawal (properly).(I had to work the next day and I didn’t want to worry about the “discharge”).
Did I mention I only had 1 ovary to boot? Lost one several months after birth of my son. So yeah, I think it was meant to be 🥰
Even though I had struggled with endometriosis, and was told to not get my hopes up about having kids; told I would probably never conceive….God gave me the 2 most important things in my life (well 3 since I have another long winded story on how I met my husband and how we never should’ve met yet we did).
It never crossed my mind to not have my kids. It was okay, I’m pregnant, we will figure this out. Got married, my 2 stepchildren moved in with us, and I had my babies, who are now teens.
What I’m trying to say is, even though I didn’t want kids, I got pregnant, loved them the moment I found out, and never looked back. I miscarried on 9-09-2009.(due date would’ve been March 2010)..so I should have a 3rd kiddo running around…but, I guess she (even though they never could tell me the sex of the baby, I knew in my heart) was not ready for the veil and not ready to be born yet. We’ll reunite when my time on this earth is over.
Everyone’s stories are different and unique. And they are all deserving to be heard
@@candirenee74 - "...not ready for the veil"? You "knew" it was a "she"? How's that work? Oh, right - you're religious, so you've been deluded into _magical thinking_ your whole life, likely after being indoctrinated as a child into your parents' beliefs, long before your critical thinking skills had fully developed (late teens), so you could discern *_fact from fiction._*
She’s so beautiful for 51…I know that’s not what we are talking about
I have the same opinion. 🤩
I am 52 and thought same thing!
It’s true tho
Sorry? What? “For 51” As though humans cannot be full of beauty beyond a certain age 🤦♀️
@@HighPriestessSteph I wasn’t being disrespectful. Just saying she looks young
Most people would have taken the opportunity to profit off this type of situation. Kudos to her for staying neutral and wanting to be removed from the situation. Jane, we are so glad you are here with us today and that you are such a strong, inspirational lady.
“Jane Roe” was the mother who was fighting for the right to have an abortion; Shelley is the baby who grew up.
@@flickchick0617 how are you doing over there hope fine and how is the weather 🌡️ temperature there??
You can tell this young lady had a happy childhood. She looks extremely young for being 51. God bless her.
She looks like an average woman in her fifties nowadays.
She looks 21. It's amazing, really.
@@randomfullywonderful lol. She doesn’t look bad but come on…she doesn’t look 21
@@87vanessab lol, I know, but I think she does look 51, which is why I was poking fun. 😆
She does sound 21 tho
Shame on the interviewer for trying to "out" Shelly as prolife based on her cross necklace, as if a cross necklace automatically means someone is prolife. Also, Shelly clearly didn't want to share which way she leaned and the interviewer tried to make it as though she'd been caught in a lie.
Looks like I’m not the only one deeply disappointed in the interviewer.
When an interviewer asks questions they call to question what they believe the public would notice and want to ask. But I do agree that if Shelly was hoping for a soft sided interview, she didn't get it. I do think that people assume, cross=god=prolife.
Shelly hasn't practiced forgiveness which is also an assumption of the cross. So, good on Shelly because with those two contradictions within the cross she hasn't given away her views.
She was prompting from pre discussed interview questions.
If the company you keep consistently fights to take rights away from women maybe your religious group sucks.
People who support God take rights away from women. They use their God as a reason for belief of life to justify what they're doing is good.
By wearing that cross you're no better than putting on a white hood and saying you don't burn people a different color than you "like those other white hooded people".
You're kind of wearing the uniform. Wtf do you expect people to think. I'd be scared you would force me to give birth if you wore a cross in my company and I'd actively try to avoid you in the future.
Truth hurts.
Sorry psychos ruined your religion for you. But yeah. This is how my friends and I see crosses now.
Absolutely terrifying symbols of anti choice extremists.
@@freedomishavingachoice3020 I’m reporting this as hate speech.
I’m sorry you’re so hurt, but what you wrote is also hate.
I'm the result of an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy. My mother admitted that she thought about abortion, but she (obviously) decided against it. I'm not the least bit bothered by the fact that it was a consideration for her. I'm just glad that she had the freedom to make that decision.
delilah, don't know how old you are but you are very wise and your mom was honest with you! i admire the respect you have for your mom and her choice to decide...
You’re glad that she had the freedom to choose to kill you, ending your only life? Seems highly disturbing
@@bruvlol9573 Unlike some people, I can see the bigger picture. There's nothing more valuable than bodily autonomy.
@@tangerinefizz11 Bodily autonomy does not give a mother a right to kill her child. Mothers have an innate duty to care for their children, not kill them.
@@bruvlol9573 It's not a child. It's a fetus. And at least I know that my mother kept me and raised me because she loved me, not because she was forced or obligated to do so.
My niece (13 at the time) was raped by my cousin (29 at the time). My niece had a safe abortion in a hospital and received intense counselling. She is now 28 and has decided to focus on her career. She has been in a steady relationship for over 4 years and wants to wait until 30 to get married and start a family. My cousin went to prison for the rape. I am grateful to be South African and know that a rapist has no say in when my niece should become a mother. She has a choice.
No matter what it is a spiritual matter and if she doesn’t receive Christ it will haunt her for the rest of her life and it may destroy her.
My sister took her life because of having an abortion at 15 thinking she had no choice and it destroyed her emotionally and spiritually and she could never forgive herself and finally hung herself violently from the ceiling fan with a plug 🔌 in her trachea.
It’s not that simple! It’s MURDER and it affects whoever is involved with it and you can’t convince many of us otherwise! I was adopted and I’m thankful my biological parents had enough love not to abort me, but to give me up for adoption instead!
There are other “choices” that don’t involve killing!
@@JKBelle She's doing quite well actually. She struggled and blamed herself for the rape initially but she is living her life to the fullest now. She knows she is not a murderer. She knows her inner Christ is always with her and she is loved by her family and peers. She is a productive member of society. That's all she ever wanted. Thank God no man won in controlling her body.
I don’t know why someone would blame an innocent baby for abortion. 🤔 People are stupid though. It’s not her fault she was born into that situation!!
The youngest person to ever give birth was a 5 year old girl in Peru. Here in America girls aged 8-11 (I focus on these ages because they are the most likely to DIE from the strain of pregnancy and labor on a body not yet ready for the task) have been forced to experience labor. You want to talk about blaming the children, start with actual rape victims. The fact that the Texas laws make no provision for Rape is monsterous.
@@pambronson4467 it’s monstrous to kill an innocent baby. So, by your logic…killing one innocent baby is okay cuz it protects another innocent child ???? God comfort and bless all rape victims at any age , and bless and protect the unborn !
@@ashleyharris209 yes it protects a fully formed human child over a clump of cells. In that case who have ivf kill dozens of babies for the sake saving 1 or 2.
@@brianaisawesome6580 IVF is wrong also because they don't use all the embryos created.
@@ashleyharris209 I'm sorry man but I have to choose between my own under aged child in which them having a kid could kill or permanently cripple/mentally scar the for life, I'm choosing my child everytime.
The only comprise would be me murdering the degenerate who placed their hands on my child.
I’m glad Shelley is here and that she’s living the best life she can. Her parents did an awesome job and it makes me sad that she couldn’t have a good relationship with Norma. I could also understand her position regardless of whether she’s pro-life or pro-choice.
@End Times Are upon us what has suicide to do with it ?.
I can’t believe this journalist called her out on her cross after she said she didn’t want to answer.
Good catch. To be fair she was anticipating public inquiry about the cross. As we saw, the cross had no weight in forgiveness either.
Also there's many people who consider themselves Christian who are pro choice. This idea that all pro life people HAVE to be conservatives and Christian and that NO Christians are pro choice is stupid.
I know both pro life athiests and pro choice Christians
Jesusfuckingchrist. Asking a question isn't "calling someone out."
Says ALOT about the interviewer 😏
@@zuglymonster yup
This woman is incredible. I love how she’s grounded and emotionally intelligent about the whole situation.
ABC: "Roe Baby breaks silence!!"
Roe Baby: "I just don't think about it."
Riveting.
Totally not her fault. God bless the people who adopted her ❤️
Why can't we turn this into a better solution? Affordable and long term birth control FOR ALL WOMEN. The ability to sterilize without a psych evaluation or doctors telling you you'll change your mind. I'm sterilized and couldn't be happier.
I actually had a discussion where young adults who wanted to be snipped were denied by tons of doctors because they were too young or didn't know better
You can get free birth control at the clinic.
Agreed! Also, guaranteed rich-tax-payer supported college educations and guaranteed jobs when we want them, how we want them! An end to food and clean water deserts! Tax payer supported child care!
It's absolutely horrible that so many babies result from rape. I have to believe that a handful (not more though) of women would be more open to keeping even babies resulting from rape, if the rest of our society made it more realistic to be able to do so.
@@Ashbrash1998 I went through that too. It's egregious that fully educated M.D.s pass around that kind of tripe.
@@lovelocked5385 Only under very restrictive circumstances, and birth control is no guarantee that pregnancy won't happen.
it's ok to abort a child, it's okay to give a child up for adoption, and it's also totally ok to not want to meet your biological parent.
It’s not okay to abort a child, at least in certain states and in most circumstances. Just like it’s not okay to kill someone in most states in most circumstances. Things are illegal for a good reason and it’s often because those things are not conductive for a functioning and civil society.
Amen!! As an adopted child at 4. I understand completely when you say she didnt desrve to meet you!!
I am glad she got a loving family
She was kind of terrible, but she also knew she wasn't fit to be a mother.
So why did she keep getting pregnant??
@@sweetest-of-memes we have control over our bodies , no? Oh wait, only when it’s convenient to you all pro baby murders.
If it’s not rape, she can totally take precautions to not get pregnant. Her body her choice right? Isn’t it ironic!
@@miriamives7916 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@@sweetest-of-memes you don’t know me. I happen to be a non feminist, pro life democrat that has fostered many children, children with extremely sad stories and rough beginnings but thanks to God they become resilient thanks to responsible adults by their side. I absolutely encourage birth control 💯 because there are stupid people out there who are not ready to have children and play with the idea of abortion or actually go through with it, which is appalling!!!! With birth control, no one should be aborting! Today, birth control is so accessible!
I am never one one side entirely. There is so much gray in every situation but I experienced my best friend having 3 abortions in high school, and it solidified my stance.
Pro life for life!
I am also against trump and what he did with the children at the border and I most definitely marched for BLM when the peaceful protests took place last year.
Life is life. And a mother’s life is not more important than a fetus’s life. Never. If anything, the fetus is the vulnerable and needing of protection!
So don’t assume anything about me. This is not even half of what I stand for.
What I think is ridiculous is people protesting for BLM or for equality and then getting abortion or being pro choice. How does that make sense?
@@sweetest-of-memes the Bible also says to speak up against evil and advocate for the destitute and needy. Any kind of destitute and need. I will advocate for the morally correct thing always but also the humane thing too.
I will call it out and I have no interest in being compassionate to women who kill their babies. I just don’t. Like I said nothing is black and white, and I do believe in certain circumstances abortion is needed. But just for selfishness, nope. Never. I’m not interested in changing people’s minds about this. But I’m going to continue to contribute to what is right.
If only people knew how many women suffer in having abortions. Maybe not all but many do, unnecessarily!
Also a pro tip, don’t tell a Christian how to be a Christian. If you only know that the Bible talks about compassion, then you don’t have the whole story. It also talks about advocacy and so many more things.
Again, my interest is not in the woman wanting to kill a vulnerable life, but my compassion goes out to that fetus, that baby that has its own rights too!
This woman is remarkable. I’m glad she is able to stand in her truth and be at peace with not having a relationship with her birth mother. Sometimes you can only let go. And let God. Great interview.
I can't imagine what she's been through, you can see she's in pain. I hope she's able to forgive her mom and find the peace that she needs in God
What did her mom do to her I'm too lazy to watch the video who is this lady
@@darthmader057mmm6 Her mom just wanted to use her to grab attention and was paid to do so. She doesn't really care about her.
Some people don't deserve forgiveness. Remember Hitler? Can we forgive him? She'll be ok, she was raised with love by her adoptive parents.
@@Langley_Ackerman19 I wish she'd forgive not because her mom deserves it but so she can let herself live free from what was done to her
@@awurama2380 ❤
Shes a strong person to answer to this She deserves to be here She did not make the law or break the law
It has to be a difficult decision for a mother to make to abort a child or even to give a child away
Life is not easy
Should it be difficult for a father to make a baby that they have no interest in supporting?
A horrible decision, and the only person who has the right to make it is the person who is pregnant.
I’m glad she didn’t give her perspective/opinion on the matter because she obviously has alot of rage left over from her mom being a narcissistic
You’re absolutely right, Shelley. She didn’t deserve to meet you.
I realize she was treated horribly by her Mom. But I hope she can forgive and heal and stop hurting.
As a man I am neither for or against abortions. My only wish is that all those that are Pro Life would adopt at least 1 child in foster care. Our foster care system is over run with kids needing homes and it always odd to me we have millions of Pro Life advocates who don’t adopt.
Well said, thank you for this information.
Most people that adopt or foster are pro life. Statistically white Christian’s adopt or foster the most out of any other demographics.
@@Shelby-oo7uz Thank you. I can accept that, but I’m just curious why so many pro life don’t. I don’t see any of the conservative judges, Ted Cruz, Majorie Taylor Greene, Trump, the Governors of Texas, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Graham, McConnell, Matt Gatez, and the millions of American citizens who are pro life etc. I appreciate those you mention, but there are millions of pro lifers and yet we still have a foster care system overrun with needy children. Just odd to me. If we are going to tell a woman she MUST have this child then they should be lined up to adopt the child. Everyone wins. The mother doesn’t abort, the baby gets to live life, and the Pro Lifer cements their belief. Otherwise this sounds like welfare (which most conservatives are against). You make the woman have the child and you make the rest of us (with our tax dollars) raise/pay for the child.
Know that even as a man you can choose to be for or against abortion, don’t let feminists bully you. You have a say in young women and men getting killed, as a man, you should be standing up and fighting for what’s right. Fighting for defenseless sons and daughters.
There are literally lines of people waiting to adopt Babies. But I agree, more people (pro life or not) should foster and adopt older children! My sister is about to start the adoption process and after my divorce is final I’ll be hopefully fostering and/or adopting. Just trying to figure out how to afford it with CA housing costs but those with extra rooms in their homes should be taking these children in 💜
I am adopted, with a pro-life stance, coming from a pro-choice family (most of them). In my opinion there are a lot of factors to take into account.
For example, here in Spain where I live, foster families cannot adopt the foster children. Some people cannot even think about returning the kids to their families after raising them.
Also, in other cases, adoption centers have made it more about the income than about the emotional stability of the adoptant (is that a word?). If I want to adopt in my motherland, I have to move there for about 4 years when I already have a life here. And in Spain the waiting list is about 8 years. Some people have the endurance, some do not.
Governments should also spend money helping families in every sense as to avoid having so many children without their biological families.
I do not know any of the people that you mentionned, and I don't know why they do not adopt or foster, but know that a lot of pro-life do want to help and sometimes that help can come in other ways than just adopting.
Been reading many of these comments and even posted my own a day or so ago. I have to say to all of us, including me, that our words of wisdom and our heartfelt opinions just don't count that much. What matters is getting involved in somehow doing some actual good for someone, or more than one person, who lives on this earth with us. Sometimes someone we meet in a store or somewhere else just really, really needs a kind smile that day. Haven't we all been there?
She kept having kids and giving them up. I would be indifferent too.
The birth mother really said “she found herself pregnant again”???
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You don’t “find yourself pregnant”! You KNOW how you got pregnant!!!
And after the first UNWANTED pregnancy, you’d think she would prevent becoming pregnant a second and then a third time!! 🤦♀️
That's the thing, abortion became a birth control option for being careless sexually. I can understand in the case of the health of the mother, incest or rape but just as a former of birth control? Just horrible. I don't know how they sleep at night.
@@bj7057 im sure they sleep peacefully due to the lack of crying babies 🙂🙂 sweet that you're concerned though
@@ellapinkleton1829 You must be a teenager. No grown woman would be so cavalier about killing babies.
exactly. those women don't make noo sense
@@bj7057 exactly. I know a gurl who had 11 As. now ur doing this on purpose