Could South Korea Withstand A FULL Air Attack From North Korea? (WarGames 116) | DCS
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- We simulate a full air force battle between North and South Korea. North has the advantage in quantity of aircraft, mainly old Soviet designs, but South has the more modern aircraft like FA-50, F-16V & F-35. Who will win?
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2:18 Role Play
3:19 SAM Research
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17:27 Predictions
18:54 FIGHT
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You cover it off well, but North Korea would be such a paper tiger in any real conventional battle. I doubt even a third of their aircraft are actually combat-ready, if even airworthy.
That said, massive fair play to you for putting this together. It must have taken an absolute age.
😂 don't be naive you never know
Never mind airworthiness, what about the pilot training?
Their focus has been primarily on ground forces, namely different types of artillery and surface to surface missile platforms. Their aircraft are supplementary to those platforms which is essentially the opposite of South Korea's military.
Plus the lack of training....
@@marshalljulie3676 Not about being naive, it is about funding, access to supplies, and having the expertise to maintain airframes. Mig 15, 17, 19, and 21 are pretty maintenance intensive, especially as they age. NK doesn't spend enough on its air forces to properly modernize its Mig 29s, much less keep legacy airframes flying, never mind pilot training. They've chosen to use their nuclear weapons program + standing army as its primary deterrent.
I never skip the briefing. You have to understand the context.
^^^ this!
So much the same here. Especially this battle. I don't remember the author, but I read a fiction book about a second Korean War, and this is as close as I can get to a visualization of it!! Edit: It was Red Phoenix, by Larry Bond.
Exactly, I do quite the opposite. I pause during the briefings at times so I can absorb and understand everything.
I never skip the briefing, I just arrive 2 minutes before it ends.
@@timbaskett6299 Didn't he help write Red Storm Rising?
This was the 3rd wargame that Cap asked me to do the research for. I was so happy to do it. I was stationed in South Korea for 2 years, from 2003-2005 in Daegu. My unit used to go to lunch at the Korean Airbase nearby during the week. They still had the old F-4 Phantoms flying out there. Got to see a few F-5s as well as a formation flight of F-5s and F-15s flying overhead once. I really enjoyed my time there. This was a bit like going back to my days there when I was researching it.
I was under the impression that North Korea artillery would target Seoul and that even a initial barrage would threaten millions of people without even including ballistic missiles
That F-16 scissors to gun kill was outstanding.
My orthopedic surgeon is a retired F16 pilot and was in a radar attack squadron. He was in South Korea for a short training mission. While in south Korea they flew towards the North Korean border and told me he had never seen his RWR screen ever scream as much as it did there. He said so many radars turned on it was impossible to pick just one. Needless to say, their Radar may not be the best but they had more SAM sites then he had ever been around.
Imean their tanks have anti air missles strapped on it. even if only 1 in 10 hits they have hundreds per battalion
@@robiiifyHundreds from the 50’s
Stationed 2 times in South Korea, as a CH 47 crew chief. Traveled along the DMZ several times enough to be engaged by the North Koreans. We moved quickly and low NOE flights mostly. We generally were unconcerned about ground radar and SAM sites along the DMZ. Air radar from a fighter that was definitely treated differently and was only seen during one flight. I can’t imagine much has been improved since the mid 90’s. Camp Humphries 91-92 and 94-95.
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Thank you for your service and risking your life for us.
@@wilsonrawlin8547 My pleasure, I have a great home and family partly because of it. I’m kinda educated and mostly healthy 🤣🤣🤣✌️
Today I learned that Cap has a hard time differentiating between East and West.
I know right! When editing this video I was cringeing every time I talked about cardinals :(
I have a question, could the combined Air forces of Latin America launch a surprise attack and penetrate American Airspace?
Only if they use balloons.
@@tbe0116 lol, that would the too easy 😂
@@tbe0116 lol damnit! you stole my thunder! I was hoping no one would use balloons, but you are clever my friend. Love it!
@@tbe0116 Fuckin beat me to it. lol
Could a Latin American Alliance penetrate American airspace and bomb another Target store?
The Phantom that survived was flown by Cpt Bartlett for sure.
Thanks Cap. I spent a year (1987-1988) at OSAN in ROK. I worked on F4 test equipment.
Awesome!
I can hear that server's CPU just crying from here.
well im sure it was more of a internet latency issue than it was a hardware issue
Absolutely stellar work man. Clearly a work of passion and a lot of hours and tedium put into it but damn, it surely shows! Thank you!
Thanks TW!
Everyone remember to regularly support Cap and the guys via their Patreon too
Great work Cap! Love these scenario battles ... especially ones you've put so much detail into!
By far my favorite channel on UA-cam and the only one I check for videos every day. The work going into every video is insane and it shows you actually care for the quality of the sim. Keep up the great work!
Same. My favorite TV show is Grim Reapers.
It's amazing that the GR team can churn out extremely high quality videos pretty much daily, well done!
i blame dr bright for this
The briefing is one of my fav parts of the video, I love seeing how you build the missions. The mission means nothing without the briefing. Love ya work Cap!
Totally agree!
I always listen to the missions at hand before I watch the video. It just always makes it so much better. And I'm really happy that you guys go into so much detail about what's gonna be happening.
Cap, thank you for all the work you put into these scenarios. I do really appreciate the effort you put in for our entertainment and education on DCS. Keep up the fantastic work, and I will always be watching for anything new you post, peace.
Thanks
Ditto.
THESE videos are why I love your channel so much. Absolutely incredible. Well done Cap.
thx
I always watch the briefings. I appreciate how you guys spend the time to get the performance of missiles, radars & cross sections, range, etc. correct, and it's that much better because you make a lot of it yourselves.
I served in the South Korean airforce in 2020~2022.
Nike SAM system was retired completely quite a go.
Last unit that using those system was decommissioned in 2014.
Super Cap, THANK YOU!!! This valued humanoid truly appreciates the time and effort that goes into these simulations. I have to say honestly that the pre-flight briefings are vital, and as you say, anyone who is just breezing by that part of the video is doing themselves a disservice. I love the logic that goes into the different force multipliers vs what can be modeled currently in DCS. I think you do a fantastic job of balancing forces in meaningful ways dependent on the scenario to provide viewers with an as accurate as possible DCS depiction of the mission you are flying, and this mission was a superb example of that skill!!! These massive battles are absolutely insane, and they are incredibly entertaining. The cherry on top was that AI Simba Falcon that pulled off the guns kill on the last MIG to finish the battle!!! Thank you again for all you do!!!
thanks for all the work you put into these vids, wish i could give more thanks GR
Amazing thanks Stevie!
We skip the briefing, Cap, just like you do during any Arma mission :P Wow! That was impressive. Thank you so much guys for taking the time to get the details as accurate as possible. I'm no military strategist so I can't speak to any detail but it sure was entertaining! Keep up the great work!
F15, still the preeminent air to air fighter. Awesome!!!
Yup and still will be in 2050.
the only thing is that there's so much artillery within range of every thing near the DMZ most of it, and the entirety of Seoul, will be leveled in the first few salvos.
That's their whole game plan; do so much damage via artillery and surface to surface missiles that it forces capitulation. Given how close Seoul is, that may actually work if the conflict ever went hot again.
People tend to forget Artillery when there are sexy planes, drones and rockets around. But dollar spent you can cause more massive destruction with artillery than planes bombs and missles.
The possible exception would be air fuel explosives..we can skip nucs..they are expensive and Artillery can deliver them on the tactical level.
If you are a broke country like North Korea then start by leveling everything in range from the dmz then launch planes and rockets
That was great. Really appreciate the work put in.
A huge thanks reflected! Your campaigns are my vacation. This is art.
The amount of effort put into this must be huge. I appreciate your work & I didn't skip the briefing!
Just my 2 cents @grimreaperscap, but I actually love the briefings. I appreciate all of the work & planning you guys & gals do to put together these detailed missions. Thanks & keep up the good work! 👍
Ditto. And for those who don't like the briefings, you can use bookmarks or the old fashioned fast-forward.
thxx
Perfect Valentines Day gift! Will you redo this mission with more SAMs/Aircrafts or do other missions this scale or larger when some of the multithreading and just general performance improvement updates come out? Cheers!
Nike-Hercules? What a blast from the past! Perhaps they've also got a few Bomarcs squirreled away?
Give me that detailed briefing! Without the info its impossible to appreciate the action when things start jammin. Thanks for all this great stuff.
Great job on this battle simulation.
You really put the hours into this one
Amazing that this worked with so many planes. Bravo to Cap and the team who were able to put this together. A lot of time invested for sure and it was fun to watch it play out.
setups for these most recent vids have been crazy. good stuff.
SuperCap, great video, i love your commentary, not sure if you're an Auctioneer for your day job, but you and the squad do a great job making these videos exciting throughout, Cap for the play-by-play, and the guys for the banter.
You have to remember that Super Cap is use to being excited by soccer, so Boom Boom really gets him going.
Excellent scenario!!
There are NK defectors that have stated that less than half of the fighters they have are actually air worthy and their pilots are only basically trained at best.
Fighter hours are expensive, so that's to be expected
Considering how defectors are paid and coerced to lie and make up stories by SK intelligence, I'd take their word with a grain of salt.
I sit thru all the pilot briefings so I can see what todays mission will entail! I have everything I need to start playing DCS including winning’s F-16 throttle and stick, when I seen the AH-64 drop I downloaded the game and used a old PC/PS3 throttle and stick and spent a few days getting the cold start down and flying some, I did not have a head tracking unit since it was on back order. I now have it all and even downloaded the F-16 but never have any time to deep dive into this game! I’m a person (nerd) who goes all in when learning something new and wanna know everything from the inside out!
I appreciate the work you all do to set something like this up!!!!
The first question that come to my mind is: how much of this North Korean airplane would actually be able to take off in a real scenario 😂
agree
Yup, many will be killed on the ground due to lack of proper maintenance
@@grimreapers I've seen interviews with North Korean defectors (who were in the military during their defections) that said that the North Korean version of a flight simulator is a cardboard box! There is such a lack of jet fuel and parts that most of their aircraft rarely actually fly.
Surprisingly? A lot by recent news reports.
Its irrelevant, they have over 5000 artilery pieces targeting Seoul 24/7. Even without nukes millions would die in a few minutes, Seoul would be destroyed, N korea have insane geographical advantage over S korea, thats why they dont care about their shit, old tech, their tanks are even more pathetic. They know for sure they have 0 chances, so they focus on detterents, aka nukes and that artilery keeping capital city of S korea as a hostage. Forever hostage. There is nearly 0 reasonable chances to invade N korea.
SO the whole region is in stalemate, thats why they still use those pathetic and old sam sites and f35 for S korea are mostly for china, neighbours, not N korea. Thats why they are so far away.
And of course china loves it, they love the buffer zone, thats why they trade and buy stuff from N korea, but do not help them modernize their airforce, radars and so on, they want to keep N korea technologically weak, so they would not have fantasies of invading S korea or stirring shit up. Cause china wants N korea to work as detterent and buffer zone and they are insanely good at it. And i doubt there are many realistic chances for color revolution in N korea, like it happened to ukraine. SO china is very safe, their only realistic concern and weak spot is taiwan.
I hate to be that guy but man do i hope this never happens irl. This particular war scenario is incredibly unnecessary and the people of the Korean Peninsula are so precious…
Thanks for using your weekend. Nicely done.
I've been a subscriber for about 2 1/2 years. Started flying about 6 months ago with Flam.Cliffs 3. I think it's awesome and pretty intense.
How you guys do full fidelity jets and then the missions is beyond me. Thanks for all your help vids, probably would have taken me 3 to 5 x as long to get where I am..( still need a lot of work😅) but missions like this are a great treat! Thanks for doing it...especially since they are unscripted and the reaction s are awesome!
Hang on Cap, big screen on first. You now have my complete and undevided attention 👍👍
Great seeing all the older weapons systems. Those 50’s & 60’s SAMS are sexy !
Remember: The S125 is the only SAM system to have ever killed a stealth fighter as of Feb 2023
The S-125 shot down an F-117 in Serbia in 1999
Wish I could have liked it twice, that was awesome. Thanks for all the hard work, Cap!
Thank you for all the hard work on this Cap. After a long day at the office love to watch your team's experiments and see what comes out of these weird conflicts. I'd like to see some verses from this group of how many of the each of the older planes does it take to compete with a single newer. Throwing Flys against a Wasp you could say.
Brilliant work cap ,, technology in the weapons is the key … love the videos 🤙🏻
Great job guys!!!
Thanks SH!
Ahhhhh....takes me back to Falcon 4!
I Never skip a Briefing, I always enjoy your briefings.
Outstanding. Imagine the results if you had decent deconfliction. Great work Cap and the Beautiful Boys.
Sorry, skipped the briefing. Just saw hundreds of hundreds of pixels fighting hundreds of other pixels.
gah...
Always love the briefing, Cap.
Beautiful. Bloody beautiful.
Thanks for all that hard work Cap.
Please do India Vs China over the Himalaya range.
Those S200 missiles look a hell of a lot like the UK's Bloodhound missile.
Fun fact, I grew up living 4 miles away from RAF Raynham, which was one of the Bloodhound bases.
Mammoth amount of work and worth every minute imo. Bonkers. Carry on
Massive game - excellent. Thanks for all the time put into these.
Very impressive pushing the limits of what's possible in the DCS engine hopefully the updated engine will better support this kind of massive scenario. You are now into the sort of scenarios where you would want to use command: modern operations instead of DCS. CMO also has the benefit of modelling all of the SAMs and ballistic missiles not present in DCS.
Not a surprise but it's nice to see it shown and that was a lot of work for you. I wonder if you might use this scenario to stress-test the new multi-threaded DCS EDGE engine?
Yes I was thinking of exactly that.
That's exactly what I was thinking. This is a perfect reason why ED HAS to keep up with technology.
Great video Cap!
unreal cap, great video. thank you valued provider
When I served on the DMZ I remember getting briefed on North Korea's main defense strategy. The first thing I remember being told is that if they were to go to war it would be in the Winter as their tanks can cross over frozen rice paddies that way their tanks don't get stuck and they can negate mine fields and bottle neck roads.. they did short portion on the air force and jne of the things I remember them saying is that they believe many of the Mig-17 were most likely be used as Kamakazi attacks on any amphibious attacks or as last ditch attacks on navy...
Large scale hypothetical air battle between major powers? Perfect valentines day 🥰
lol
EXCELLENT Battle, Cap! Thanks!
Everything else aside, great job and good effort Cap putting this together
0:16 "I'm aware that most of you valued viewers skip the briefing and go straight to the fighting."
Honestly, the briefings are at least as good as the flying, IMO! I can't tell you guys how many ideas for my own missions that I've gotten from Grim Reapers briefings. Please don't ever skimp out on them, they're excellent!
Have you ever tried playing Command Modern Operations? Its really perfect for the scenarios you make, I know this from experience as I simulated this very battle (North Korean forces vs US/South Korean/Japanese forces) along with strikes on North Korean nuclear sites and it worked out amazingly and the level of realism is unmatched anywhere else.
I looked into it but it's single player only, I want to bring my precious humans into the fight.
as we saw in Gulfwar1 1991 if you control the air space then the ground forces will get chewed up by A10s, AH64s,etc. in North Korea I expect that the allies have the NK defensive sites plotted down to the last mm for GPS targeting
Dear Grim , you are very involved , im great of you for every videos ..
how did your pc not catch fire running that huge simulation
KT-1 is a trainer. It's not a super tucano. It is KA-1 that was upgraded for attack, and the T-50 has another derivative gas called F/A-50. Also, this item does not include an aerial refueling tanker(kc-330), and for f-15K, SLAM-ER and KEPD350 Taurus are used.
That was friggin AMAZING! Thanks.
Love your content Avangel! I’m also enjoying this aircraft a lot! It’s SO good in VR with the canopy instead of doors!
Bis später und bis nächsten video! 😊
I have to believe that with the extreme age of most of N.Korea's airframes, they would be lucky to get 25% of those in the air. And, as mentioned in the video, their pilots would be outclassed in every way. You gave them the benefit of every doubt in this situation.
That and also the S-Korean jets for some reason flying all the way into North Korea to get picked off by SAM systems when it's supposed to be a scenario where they're defending SKorean airspace
It might be possible since Kim is very much willing to send his pilots up in unready airframes.
@@tetraxis3011To be fair most of them ain’t gonna be landing again anyway…
@@totalnerd5674 Exactly
FYI.. I *always* listen to the briefings.... 😂
Good man!
Great video, as always. Hilariously, every time you said "Golden Eagle" I looked up expecting to see a twin-engine prop (Cessna 421). 🤣🤣
Absolutely Brilliant!👍👍
First couple rounds-- F-18 Hornet's with AIM-120C-7's VS F-14B Tomcat's with AIM-54 Phoenix's
Second couple of rounds-- F-18 Super Hornet's with AIM-120D's VS ST-21 Super Tomcat's with AIM-152 GDW's
Bonus round-- SU-33's VS MIG-29K's
All Carrier Launched Fights!🙏
Well, now all HAWK, NIKE legacy things now retired from ROK forces
and now mainly KM-SAM, PAC-3 modern system takes its place but as member of ROKAF, like this vid :)
Also, just to say Korean F4 and F15 of course has capability to engage air targets but due to their massive payloads, they usually serve as ground supporters
This is awesome. TON of work, I'm sure. What are you working on getting set up now? Happy to help if I can.
Next is Rapid Dragon vs D-Day :)
@@grimreapers Awesome! Lemme know if I can help! Same name on the Discord. 👍
Epic video we appreciate the effort
This was a wonderful slideshow!
Things just keep getting bigger!
5 seconds in and holy cow!! This looks massive!!
My bet is still on the South but this is going to be crazy!!
That was epic! Great job reapers!
I love how excited y’all get about this sim
Pixel Battle!!! :-) Love the vids. North Korea doesn't spend on aircraft, true, nor do they spend on their people, it's nuclear program and missiles to carry them, that's it. Makes no sense, but hey despots will be despots. Tally-ho Grim Reapers
Rocket Man like rocket. Rocket gooood.
I’d really like to see you guys do a scenario with your new $ scoreboard where 2 teams fight with a maximum spending limit, I think it would be really interesting what strategies would be used, (ie 1000 mig 15s vs a few F-35s) lol
Cool
It would be great if there was a ground war as well as naval component so we could get the whole picture. keep up the great work.
Wow that's a HUUUUGE amount of work... epic fight!
I think South Korea may have spent more on AMRAAMs in this fight than North Korea did on their entire air force.
Unless it changed. The North has a line of long range artillery and missiles. In the first hour they would level everything in reach, including Soule. They would then hide in bunkers and counterpunch the response.
Yes this! There have a ridiculous number of long rang artillery, the destruction on both sides would be horrendous.
they definitely still have the artillery, more than enough to level Seoul, but their air force is a fraction of this simulation, and the South would absolutely ravage any and all artillery/armor within range. The North doesn't have the mix of capabilities to do more than commit a heinous war crime on a capital city in the first day. After that it'd be a grotesque slaughter.
U.S counter battery would decimate the launch sites within a couple minutes, and that's if a surprise attack happens, if the troop movements are observed (which they would be) the U.S would go on alert immediately and dial in on the Artillery sites, all paladins, HIMARS, ships Tomahawks, everything would open up immediately on any target available at the time, SK would lose a lot of people but NK would be levelled by the 2nd round of fire
The play-by-play by Cap is what makes this worth while - never heard such enthusiasm for carnage and chaos! 🤣
Commentary was the best 😄 👍
In real life, a North Korean air assault on the South is not entirely impossible, but not before their spec-ops wreck havoc on US-SK’s C4I assets, not before their heavy guns and missiles conduct heavily bombardment on SK’s airfield and DMZ defensive line.
The amount of mass defections would be staggering in a real conflict. All air forces have what is known as "guard frequencies" that are universal and allows communications between enemies. The guard channels would be alive with "please do not shoot! I am surrendering! Please provide instructions how I should proceed" Now, whether or not the South accepts surrender in that scenario is debatable. Of course you would have the hopelessly brainwashed types who believe everything their beloved leader has ever said, so they would have to be shot down. But I would wager that over half would not fight. Same with their navy and army. It would be a golden opportunity to get out of NK without having to swim a river and be shot at by your own people
What a beast of a scenario! Great work folks
I served two tours with the 2nd Infantry Division on the DMZ in South Korea in the 80s and 90s, in a full-on attack by the north we had a life expectancy of 8 hours,we would be annihilated in a first-strike from the North Koreans, they have thousands of artillery pieces that can bombard the capital of Soul with 14 million people, doctorin then was to repel them with tactical nuclear weapons.
I was going to say, even with ICBMs that DPRK is just starting to effectively develop, they know they have zero chance of winning other than making an attack from South Korea/America *so costly* that it warrants not doing it. The Kim's are stupid: they're just doing everything possible to ensure their family's dynasty. Any state of "the war" that is stalemate is more than enough for them to maintain the foundational grip of power they want.